Chicken Watering Systems

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All right, so on today's episode of the Poultry Nerds Podcast, we're gonna talk about water.

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I mean, that's like simple enough, right?

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Water?

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Yeah.

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You just open the faucet, you fill up a P, you give it to the chicken, it drinks it, and you do it all over again tomorrow.

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That was the fastest podcast episode ever, and in a perfect world, that would be right.

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Um, but today we're gonna talk about some of the stuff for you to look at and some of the stuff for you to take into consideration if you are having problems with anything from how your birds are laying or not laying to eggshell.

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You know, a lot of times if you're eggshell is weak or wrinkly, you know, a lot of people will say, oh, it's a disease.

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Well.

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Your water could also have a really high pH, which prevents the chicken's body from absorbing the calcium in the feed.

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So, you know, we're gonna talk about all that.

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So things you wanna look for, we already talked about pH folks, this ain't rocket science.

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Water should be around six and a half to seven and a half, uh, parts per million on the pH.

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The things you use for your pool.

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That.

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I mean, that's all you need is pH tape.

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Yeah, little pH tape.

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Dip it in, compare the colors.

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You know, I was having some issues with mine being kind of wonky, and also mine tasted more like I was drinking out of an iron skillet, which I mean, nobody would eat, nobody would drink the water out of the.

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It's faucet at my house.

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'cause it was nasty.

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You know, we were even using the water through the filter in the refrigerator to make coffee and stuff.

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So, you know, that's what got me to test it and actually sent some mine off to the lab to see just how bad it was.

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So, yeah.

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You wanna hear a funny story?

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I love funny stories.

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So we're on the county water here.

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Yeah.

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And I got a letter a couple months ago.

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That said, hey, we're a little bit late, but our water hasn't been fit for human consumption for 24 months, so you shouldn't have been drinking it.

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But just so you know, it's okay now.

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They, they probably should have just kept the information to themselves and kept on trucking.

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They probably did that because the EPA or somebody found out and they were required to, oh, okay, so that's, Hey, your water had, you shouldn't have drank the water for the last two years.

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It sucked, but you can now like.

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That is not good at all.

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No.

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I looked at David and made a funny face and I was like, oh, I think I'm twitching a little bit.

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Yeah.

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So, okay, so we're checking the pH and what else are we doing, um, for your birds and summertime Cool water, if you can keep it between 50 and 70 degrees.

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And this is something that I battle with in Alabama and I'm sure.

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The later in the day, it becomes a problem for yours as well, which is why you dump it out and start all over.

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Mm-hmm.

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But I have a really off schedule and I'm really, chickens can run out of feed, they'll be okay for a day or so.

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They, they can't go that long with running outta water.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it could cause a lot of different issues.

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So I like for my water to be automated.

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For one, and I use a large reservoir system and I started testing out something new.

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Jeff's been on me for like two years to try this out, and so I finally bit the bullet because I built some new pens and I needed to get some water to it.

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So what I did was reservoir system.

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Circulation pump, continuous feed.

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I have nipple drinkers and I have cups.

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And I'm also going to put a, um, bele water.

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'cause I'm really fond of Bele waters.

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They're like practically indestructible.

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I'm not a big fan of cups because chickens break'em.

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But I'm using the ones that have the little yellow piece in them where they have to jiggle that to get water.

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Because my thought is, and his too, if I heat the water, keep it circulating, it won't freeze, and they'll have to push that to get it out of the cup.

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To drink it.

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So I'm gonna test that out this winter and see how that works.

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Yeah, let me know.

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'cause you know, I'm always looking for something to make mine a little bit easier.

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Well, yeah, because especially with the, the way your setup is, I mean, your pins are all in a row, or a lot of'em are, it'd be really easy to integrate something like that.

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For you.

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Mm-hmm.

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But, you know, again, I'm not a huge fan of the cups, but I'm gonna try them.

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The, the water nipples.

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I can say turkeys absolutely love them.

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Once they figured out, they made that little click and sound like I've been out in the backyard and just heard the little constant, like a quail.

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A cage is constant, click, click, click, click, click.

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And it is just, I don't know which.

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They're having too much fun with it, huh?

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They really are.

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But you know, they're drinking a lot of water, which anytime of the year, that's good.

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Especially for turkeys and well chickens too, because it makes'em grow better.

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And if you're gonna eat them, that's the less time you have to feed them.

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So wait back to grow better, right?

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So the, so the water makes'em grow better.

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So the research that I have found is the more water that you typically, a bird will drink twice as much as they eat, and the more water, the better feed conversion ratio you'll have, especially if you're using any kind of a pellet, more water makes it dissolve.

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cause the ones that are hard as a rock have to have a lot of water to.

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Make it dissolve so the bird can get the nutrients off of it.

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So science says that it increases the feed conversion ratio, which makes it more effective.

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Makes it, apparently, it makes'em grow better.

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Well, well, I mean, you throw some grid in there and then they're using pretty much everything.

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Maybe they poop less.

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I can say, well, I mean, I don't use feed with extra fluff, so I don't really have a huge problem with that any, but yes, in theory it would make them poop less.

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So if you're using a fee.

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It's more on the budget friendly side that has fillers, or even if you're just using a pellet or something that has fillers in it, you know, maybe, I mean, in theory, this could make the poop stink less.

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So that would be a huge thing.

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That's always nice.

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Less cleaning..

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Okay, so what do we do in the summertime with algae?

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Does that change the pH of the water?

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So with algae, I found that using copper pipe helps eliminate the algae in the summertime and in the wintertime.

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And so I was using fittings like three quarter inch copper fittings.

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But now I just buy copper pipe and I'll go to Lowe's and sometimes I'll have one that's bent or whatever and you know, they'll give it to you for half price sometimes.

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Depends on who it is.

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But I'll cut sections off.

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It's like four inches long.

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And toss one to three or four of those in the water, depending on how big it is.

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The, the most recent reservoir that I made for this system, this closed loop system, I've got two pieces in there.

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They're are foot long and I'm using a blue drum, a 30 gallon drum, and I haven't had any problems out of mold or anything like that.

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And then that could be because the water's constantly flowing through.

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It could be because of the copper, you know, any number of things, but hey, you know, whatever works, works.

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So I use copper in mine too, and when I put it on social media that I was doing it, people asked about copper poisoning and stuff.

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Is that a thing?

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Well, I mean, it can be.

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If you don't change out the water for like three years and let it sit in there and the bird doesn't drink it all, then it's possible.

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But the water that we drink every, I know my house has copper in it, the line out by the road is copper.

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The line that comes off the road from my house and stuss up underneath my house is copper and it converts over to um, PVC and goes to the other end of my house and then up into copper, and then I think it goes into Pex when it weaves around in my house, but mm-hmm.

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You know, if you've got a house that was built before, probably nineties, maybe early two thousands.

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It may all be copper unless somebody's robbed it all out.

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So you mean post lead plumbing, but previous to PVC plumbing?

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Yeah, like, I mean, they use it for everything.

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Mm-hmm.

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Once they discovered that copper, I mean that cast iron was bad and lead was bad, then they started using copper because it's metal.

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Um, alcohol is made in a metal, copper steel.

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Some of'em are stainless in the commercial large because they're, it's a lot less expensive.

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But I mean, if you ever watched an episode of moonshiners, there's some commercial pots in Tennessee that are solid copper and people may be having fun, but they're not getting copper poisoning.

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So, and if you, you know, if you strip wire or whatever, you can pull copper outta the wire and just ball it up and throw it in there.

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I mean, you don't have to spend any money.

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No, and that's actually a good idea, is I, well, I will caution you.

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If you're using, um, stranded copper, which is what you would see a lot, you know, the solid is a solid piece.

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Obviously you can roll it up.

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But if you're using the stranded, be careful not to poke yourself with some little pieces'cause they hurt, especially when they go between your fingernail and your skin.

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Mm.

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Oh yeah.

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Don't do that.

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You know, maybe co, maybe personal experience, definitely, but it hurts.

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So be careful doing that.

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But you could take that and ball it up or whatever, and put it in the water, because that has a lot of surface area to it.

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Mm-hmm.

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So that would actually be very good for you.

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Okay, so let's talk about Well water.

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Now I know you and, and I and Jeff all talked about it a couple years ago when I had my well put in.

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Mm-hmm.

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And we had huge discussions because my well's a sulfur Well, yeah, it is.

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Talk about sulfur and the birds and the animals, and so let's talk about that like.

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Your well is so sulfur well that you can smell the sulfur mm-hmm.

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In the water.

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Yes.

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Um, but you know, to be honest, I don't know if I'd rather drink that or, you know, whatever was in, in your city water for them to say you should not have drank it for the last two years.

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But, you know, so it does have some benefits because.

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At the point where you can smell it, there's definitely a, a high enough concentration of the parts per million of sulfur to be toxic to a lot of parasites like mites, things like that.

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So you know, you've never had a mac a mite problem.

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And that's probably why once we figured that out, because you, where you water your birds comes from the whale in one area and doesn't in the other, and.

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You know, but it can eliminate a lot of pest problems.

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It does have a benefit, but the sulfur is not what I would really worry about as it relates to feeding your animals the water, it's all the other crap.

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The iron, the hardness, hardness will clog up any kind of watering system bad.

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You know, I, I have a, my water at the house.

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Yes, it's city water, but I have two filters.

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Um, they're designed for an rv, so they hook right onto the hose pipe, but the first one is a particulate filter because, and I, I understand that hard water's not usually a thing in the south, but the screen in one of my filters was getting full.

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And the water wouldn't hardly flow, and it was that white calcium.

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So I put a screen in, then it's got this particulate filter in it, and then it's got like the water filter that you would normally use.

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Since doing that, I've had a lot less problems.

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With my birds having any kind of issues, which I didn't really have a whole lot before, but once I got the water straight, like I don't have any issues and when rains at my house, my backyard, where my birds are, gets bad and I can't fix it until it dries out and it gets bad.

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But it stinky.

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Oh, you can smell it from the front.

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Yeah, mine too.

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And you know, I lime it regularly when every time it rains like that, I put a lot of lime down to help dry it up, stall pellets, all kinds of stuff to dry it up.

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But it's still bad.

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Mm-hmm.

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So I know that it's there, but now that the water is what it should be.

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The birds can absorb all the nutrients that they're taking in from their feed.

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They're healthy, which is huge for me.

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But if you're not sure about what's in your water, if you've never had it tested or you know, maybe you're like me and just don't really trust, then waiting two years to say Don't drink it.

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You know, you can, you can get it tested.

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See what all is in there.

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Where can you test it?

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So there is a lab in Pennsylvania whose name has escaped me.

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We'll put it in the show notes.

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Waypoint Analytical.

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Okay.

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Is the name of it.

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They, they'll do, I mean they test all kinds of stuff, but you send them some water, like it's ideal if you can send it to where.

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It maintains the nominal temperature, so cooler months, and I would even put it in an ice pack.

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Put an ice pack in there with it.

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When you send it and overnight it.

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Don't slow boat from China.

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Send it because you don't want the water to go through a heat phase because there's a lot of toxins and stuff that can burn off when it gets really hot.

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So like if it sits in the back of a mail truck.

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When it's a hundred and something degrees outside, it's probably even a hundred and more degrees in the back of that truck.

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So it may turn out at the lab like purified water, when really it was toxic.

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So, okay, so let's just say you send the water off and it tells you, Hey, this is horrible, don't drink it.

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Um, what can you really do about it?

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Um, I would start by doing that for sure.

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But depending on what is in your water, you know, there's, in some areas, large commercial houses inject vinegar into the water 24 7 to regulate the pH.

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Um, there's other things that you can do.

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You know, if it's, if it's not clean, you can, there's sediment tanks that you can use, different types of filters.

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You know, all kinds of different things that you can do, but they all depend really on what your lab results say.

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So kind of have to go from there.

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Okay, so what kind of problems can it cause in the birds?

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Everything from sickness to weakness, acting funny.

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You know, to be honest, if you look at the symptoms of what can be caused by hard water or water with a really high or really low pH, long term, could be anywhere from Mars to coccidiosis to, you know, mycoplasma problems like the symptoms.

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Are all over the place.

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So if your birds act like they're sick all the time, or every now and then you tried a bunch of different stuff and you can't figure it out, have your water tested.

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Well, I've never had my water tested, so I'm gonna probably be like 98% of the people who are listening to us.

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But the story about the two years is a true story that was.

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Either earlier this year or late last year, but when we lived in Murfreesboro, uh, when we first got married, so 20 years ago or so, um, one day.

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I was fine and the next day I started itching like bad, like go to the doctor kind of itching.

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Mm.

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And it took, we went through laundry soap and shower soap and shampoo and I mean, you name it, we went through, we even bought new mattresses like.

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I was miserable.

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And finally it occurred to me to call the water department and I said, Hey, have you changed anything?

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And the guy actually laughed at me at the water department and he, for real, he says, for real?

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He said, and he was laughing at me and he said, are you pregnant?

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And I said, good God, no.

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And he said, well, only pregnant people have noticed that we changed the water.

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He said, so we think it's funny.

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And I was like, it's really not funny.

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I mean, I'm quite miserable.

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What is different?

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And they went from a water or a liquid chlorine to a gas chlorine that they were injecting into the water.

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Yeah.

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And the road that we lived on was a, like a dead end of the water.

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Line or something.

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And so it was building up in our line and we were at the end of the road.

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Yeah, that's not good.

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So we sold the house and we moved.

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That was once.

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I mean, we were gonna move anyway, but it just kind of hurried up the whole thing.

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Yeah, that, that's the thing.

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Um, a lot of people will try to swap over and use the powder-based chlorine.

00:20:24.015 --> 00:20:30.245
Pools or whatever, and they discover that it don't work the same, don't work the same.

00:20:30.745 --> 00:20:43.365
Even when you calculate out formulations that have sodium hypo chloride in it, which is what bleach is, it doesn't calculate the same whether it's liquid or powder or gas.

00:20:43.815 --> 00:20:46.384
So somebody didn't know what they were doing.

00:20:46.884 --> 00:20:47.065
Hmm.

00:20:47.184 --> 00:20:48.654
Obviously people were getting sick.

00:20:49.154 --> 00:20:49.394
Yeah.

00:20:49.894 --> 00:20:51.125
Or finding out they were pregnant.

00:20:51.625 --> 00:20:57.204
I was mortified when he asked me that, but I mean, I was really quite miserable at that point.

00:20:57.625 --> 00:20:59.694
Um, so yeah, it was a whole thing.

00:20:59.694 --> 00:21:08.234
I'm just gonna go out on a limb, but never have I ever found a situation where it's a good idea to ask a woman if she's pregnant.

00:21:08.440 --> 00:21:08.920
Number one.

00:21:09.420 --> 00:21:11.495
They do make, we did find this out though.

00:21:11.995 --> 00:21:15.615
They do make a shower head filter.

00:21:15.615 --> 00:21:23.984
I know we've totally gotten off topic here, but they make a shower head water filter that fits between your pipe coming outta your wall and your shower head.

00:21:23.990 --> 00:21:24.319
Mm-hmm.

00:21:24.420 --> 00:21:26.865
And that was kind of a game changer for us.

00:21:27.365 --> 00:21:34.585
So if anybody's itching out there, but that, that kind of prove that water has a huge impact.

00:21:34.644 --> 00:21:39.234
I mean, if it impacted me that much, I can imagine it would impact the birds.

00:21:39.265 --> 00:21:53.634
I was gonna say, if you take a person that weighs anywhere from a hundred, 200 pounds and the water is messing with us, imagine a anywhere from a 10 ounce quail all the way up to.

00:21:54.134 --> 00:21:58.444
You know, 30 pound Turkey, I'm say a 30, 40 pound Turkey.

00:21:58.944 --> 00:22:02.234
Like, I would think that it, it would make sense that it would affect them more.

00:22:02.734 --> 00:22:03.214
Mm-hmm.

00:22:03.714 --> 00:22:04.615
But anyway.

00:22:05.115 --> 00:22:05.535
Mm-hmm.

00:22:06.035 --> 00:22:06.694
So, okay.

00:22:06.694 --> 00:22:09.424
One, one thing we didn't talk about though was chlorine.

00:22:09.424 --> 00:22:16.505
What about like, we have a city here that the, they put so much chlorine in their water, you can actually smell it when you flush the toilet.

00:22:17.005 --> 00:22:17.575
So.

00:22:18.075 --> 00:22:20.355
From a cleaning standpoint, that's great.

00:22:20.414 --> 00:22:24.434
Your toilet's probably gonna be gleam and white all the time.

00:22:24.825 --> 00:22:25.065
Mm-hmm.

00:22:25.565 --> 00:22:36.245
What I would highly recommend people to do in that case is use the reservoir system, or you know, if you only got a few chickens, get you some five gallon buckets.

00:22:36.605 --> 00:22:37.355
Fill them up.

00:22:37.855 --> 00:22:39.984
And don't use that water for 24 hours.

00:22:40.484 --> 00:22:40.785
Yep.

00:22:41.285 --> 00:22:43.474
Let the, let the chlorine off gas.

00:22:43.974 --> 00:22:54.144
Um, you, you can actually take bleach, put it in a cup, set it out in the sun, and in 24 hours it's safe to drink straight bleach.

00:22:54.644 --> 00:22:59.154
It's gonna taste like bleach, but it's safe in 24 hours.

00:22:59.654 --> 00:23:04.035
In 48 to 72, you won't even smell the bleach anymore.

00:23:04.535 --> 00:23:06.154
It it'll off gas that much.

00:23:06.154 --> 00:23:06.365
Yeah.

00:23:06.865 --> 00:23:12.194
That's why when you buy bleach the, it's not in an opaque bottle.

00:23:12.644 --> 00:23:16.144
It's in a solid white bottle or some other color.

00:23:16.144 --> 00:23:20.515
Usually they use white because black attracts the heat from the sun.

00:23:21.015 --> 00:23:24.545
The heat, if it gets hot, will also make it expand.

00:23:25.045 --> 00:23:25.335
Okay.

00:23:25.339 --> 00:23:29.220
And that can actually pop the seal even on a five gallon pale.

00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:34.509
So yeah, and that's why they tell you to shock your pool in the evening.

00:23:35.009 --> 00:23:35.250
Right?

00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:40.480
Otherwise it just, what, when you need to, the sun, when you need to shock it.

00:23:40.980 --> 00:23:43.710
The chlorine needs to stay in it as long as possible.

00:23:44.130 --> 00:23:44.309
Mm-hmm.

00:23:44.609 --> 00:23:47.759
And overnight is, is better.

00:23:48.259 --> 00:23:54.069
So, you know, I didn't, I didn't really know what to expect'cause this was more your road to go on this podcast.

00:23:54.569 --> 00:24:02.579
But now, I mean, you start thinking about it, you know, just how the water impacted me or how it impacts the pool with the chlorine.

00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:04.714
It, it kind of makes sense.

00:24:04.714 --> 00:24:07.174
Why wouldn't we think it impacted the birds?

00:24:07.625 --> 00:24:13.525
Look, your pool can be beautiful, really nice blue gleamy.

00:24:13.974 --> 00:24:15.684
You can see the ripples.

00:24:16.184 --> 00:24:19.654
Lovely pool, summer rain for five minutes.

00:24:20.045 --> 00:24:21.515
The next day it's screwed up.

00:24:22.015 --> 00:24:30.525
Well, another rabbit hole if you will for a minute, but we have a pool and we use, um, pristine Blue, which is a copper base.

00:24:31.025 --> 00:24:35.765
And we've been using it for, I don't know, since our first pool in that Murfreesboro house actually.

00:24:36.184 --> 00:24:40.954
Um, and we've never had an algae problem since we've been using it.

00:24:41.130 --> 00:24:41.549
Mm-hmm.

00:24:42.049 --> 00:24:44.750
It actually makes having a pool almost enjoyable.

00:24:45.250 --> 00:24:47.289
Being able to sit in it, make it even better.

00:24:47.289 --> 00:24:47.410
Yeah.

00:24:47.740 --> 00:24:48.880
Instead of fighting with it.

00:24:49.380 --> 00:24:49.740
Right.

00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:53.059
Well, we gotta have water, water's in everything, so.

00:24:53.120 --> 00:24:53.420
Yeah.

00:24:53.779 --> 00:25:00.930
You know, and so like, you know, you're, we already talked about how typically they'll drink eight ounces a day.

00:25:01.430 --> 00:25:06.920
Which for our people across the pond and north and south of us is 0.24 liters.

00:25:07.420 --> 00:25:12.809
Um, I did the math on that because I know we do have listeners that are out in the summertime.

00:25:12.809 --> 00:25:16.019
They will typically drink twice that on average.

00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:19.759
So, you know, if you're listening to this podcast and it's.

00:25:20.259 --> 00:25:22.839
July or August and you're like, this guy's crazy.

00:25:22.870 --> 00:25:24.819
They drink 16 ounces or more?

00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:26.190
Well, they should be.

00:25:26.690 --> 00:25:27.620
It is summertime.

00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:34.319
In the wintertime when it's cooler, you know, they may drink a little less, but essentially a cup a day.

00:25:34.819 --> 00:25:35.569
Same as us.

00:25:35.870 --> 00:25:37.384
Same as well.

00:25:37.384 --> 00:25:39.559
I mean, I think we should drink a lot more than a cup.

00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:42.500
Well, I mean more in the summer and less in the winter.

00:25:42.620 --> 00:25:43.474
Oh yeah, for sure.

00:25:43.974 --> 00:25:44.394
Mm-hmm.

00:25:44.474 --> 00:25:44.634
Um.

00:25:45.134 --> 00:25:49.625
But for chicks, running outta water is even more an issue.

00:25:49.625 --> 00:25:53.285
You know, we, I said something earlier about how I really don't want mine to ever run out.

00:25:53.734 --> 00:26:00.105
Chicks can dehydrate really fast, so you wanna make sure that they have ample water.

00:26:00.605 --> 00:26:05.375
I, you know, depending on which brooder I'm using, I, I may have like two or three waters in it.

00:26:05.875 --> 00:26:09.704
Um, I'm actually in the process of building another brooder.

00:26:10.204 --> 00:26:24.755
And I'm looking at some automated floats to go in it and using some marbles possibly, you know, just because it's a thing and I don't want'em to run out, but also don't want'em to drown, so that's very important.

00:26:25.255 --> 00:26:25.375
Hmm.

00:26:25.875 --> 00:26:26.255
All right.

00:26:26.259 --> 00:26:32.970
But water delivery options, you know, you, you said in the very beginning, your favorite's, the the old one gallon bucket.

00:26:33.470 --> 00:26:35.680
And that is great.

00:26:36.180 --> 00:26:45.130
If you don't mind it and you have the ability to be there every day to make sure, then please do.

00:26:45.630 --> 00:26:50.609
cause they get fresh water every morning and it's, it's without a doubt the best.

00:26:51.109 --> 00:26:55.099
Um, finding reliable farm help for me has been atrocious.

00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:58.299
And, you know, I, I have.

00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:04.609
My own, um, basketball team, working on football team at the house.

00:27:05.109 --> 00:27:07.480
You know, there's, I actually counted today.

00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:20.370
There's eight people under the age of 22 in my house, so I don't really have a whole lot of extra time and a lot of those don't know a whole lot about chickens or won't do it my way.

00:27:20.370 --> 00:27:23.309
So that's why I set up the bell drinkers.

00:27:23.490 --> 00:27:25.380
That's probably my favorite.

00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:31.359
Drinker of all time is the Plaing Bell Water.

00:27:31.859 --> 00:27:33.480
They don't sponsor this show.

00:27:33.509 --> 00:27:37.529
I would love it if they did because those suckers are like 55 bucks a pop.

00:27:38.029 --> 00:27:39.470
I know they're so expensive.

00:27:39.970 --> 00:27:45.890
Um, but you know, if you buy a couple of them every time you get paid, it don't hurt as bad.

00:27:46.390 --> 00:27:48.164
I think I've got, I have 28 pens.

00:27:48.664 --> 00:27:49.825
Well, I've got.

00:27:50.325 --> 00:27:53.384
I think I have about 18 or 19 plus and bales.

00:27:53.884 --> 00:27:54.484
Oh my God.

00:27:54.984 --> 00:28:11.714
Um, I have used a 10 by 20 pen for grow out and I'm actually fixing to build another one that's probably going to be more like 16 by 30, and it will have two placing and bells in it.

00:28:12.214 --> 00:28:16.595
I'm gonna, I'm gonna hook the bells into my circulating system.

00:28:17.095 --> 00:28:29.474
In the wintertime when the PLAs freeze up that really thick rubber hose that they use, you just kind of whiff it really good, and you can't see me doing it, but you know, that's, that's how you do it.

00:28:29.974 --> 00:28:32.855
And the ring around the bottom of freeze.

00:28:33.355 --> 00:28:35.634
Take your knife, pop it a couple times.

00:28:36.009 --> 00:28:40.319
Get it out in the morning, in an hour or so, you got water again flowing.

00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:42.680
So that's not a huge deal.

00:28:43.180 --> 00:28:48.589
The cups I absolutely love and hate cups at the same time.

00:28:49.089 --> 00:28:59.839
When they work, when they're clean and the chickens don't rough house and break'em, they're great, but there's no rhyme or reason to, I mean.

00:29:00.339 --> 00:29:02.500
In one of my grow outs, this happened the other day.

00:29:02.859 --> 00:29:06.009
I go outside in the morning'cause I hear all my chickens making noise.

00:29:06.009 --> 00:29:16.509
I go back there and the edge of their pens flooded and it's a 16 by 16 and there's like maybe 20 birds in there and they broke two cups.

00:29:17.009 --> 00:29:25.484
So, and the things on the wall, now the nipples that I have for my test are on a piece of PVC pipe and they're just suspended.

00:29:25.984 --> 00:29:30.684
The chickens, they, there's a few of them that like to peck at them.

00:29:31.184 --> 00:29:32.654
The turkeys really like it though.

00:29:32.654 --> 00:29:34.335
I think it's the curiosity in'em.

00:29:34.835 --> 00:29:35.914
So I don't know.

00:29:35.914 --> 00:29:39.694
This continuous waterline thing is kind of like a science project.

00:29:40.194 --> 00:29:45.085
It's to be determined as I, I gotta get it all working and then see how it works.

00:29:45.085 --> 00:29:45.984
Over the wintertime.

00:29:46.484 --> 00:29:49.505
I got a 250 watt aquarium pump.

00:29:50.005 --> 00:29:57.525
That should be good enough according to the size of the reservoir and my area in the zone.

00:29:58.025 --> 00:30:01.704
That should be enough to keep it above 40 degrees.

00:30:01.825 --> 00:30:09.255
So I want you to know that you were talking just now and we have had, we have been here five and a half years.

00:30:09.755 --> 00:30:17.464
And I have been racking my brain how to do the automatic water system in the condos, which is the lean to of the barn.

00:30:17.674 --> 00:30:17.795
Mm-hmm.

00:30:18.245 --> 00:30:23.944
And while you were talking, it just like epiphany right then how to do it.

00:30:24.424 --> 00:30:34.555
How well, so you know, in the barn I have that reservoir and you got me that overflow thing since I was like watering my feed bags all the time.

00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:34.759
Mm-hmm.

00:30:35.259 --> 00:30:42.549
So now I can't overflow it and it goes down into the cups, which I have a love-hate relationship with too.

00:30:42.549 --> 00:30:48.990
And we're changing'em all over to nipples and, but they go through all the barn pens, the floor pens inside.

00:30:49.380 --> 00:30:49.920
Mm-hmm.

00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:57.769
So on the back of the barn, I can just shoot a line outside and then come back up the condos on the link.

00:30:57.775 --> 00:30:57.884
Mm-hmm.

00:30:58.384 --> 00:30:58.535
Yep.

00:30:58.565 --> 00:31:01.954
And it would still feed out of the same reservoir.

00:31:01.954 --> 00:31:13.245
So what you could actually do is, um, on the far side of your barn, away from the reservoir, cut the end of that pipe and put a fitting on it.

00:31:13.664 --> 00:31:19.384
Go through the wall and have another pipe that runs across in your condos.

00:31:19.884 --> 00:31:24.944
That's what I just said, but run it back into your reservoir.

00:31:25.444 --> 00:31:29.075
And use a pump to pump it, to circulate it.

00:31:29.575 --> 00:31:31.075
And you don't have to worry about it freezing either.

00:31:31.575 --> 00:31:33.315
Oh, David's gonna hate you.

00:31:33.815 --> 00:31:35.674
Um, he hates plumbing.

00:31:36.174 --> 00:31:36.474
Yeah.

00:31:36.474 --> 00:31:37.974
I'm not a fan of it either.

00:31:38.335 --> 00:31:44.295
But the cool thing is, even there's some of'em, I just stuck together to see how it would work.

00:31:44.795 --> 00:31:45.545
No glue.

00:31:45.545 --> 00:31:47.134
I just popped the fittings together.

00:31:47.634 --> 00:31:49.825
It's so low pressure that they don't leak.

00:31:50.154 --> 00:31:50.545
Mm-hmm.

00:31:50.964 --> 00:31:56.865
So I will say this on the nipples, do not use the stainless steel ones.

00:31:56.954 --> 00:31:59.684
That's more commercial industry.

00:32:00.184 --> 00:32:04.495
Those require you to use a specific pipe, um, height.

00:32:04.995 --> 00:32:06.944
So don't wanna use that.

00:32:07.245 --> 00:32:10.684
Use the red ones that are made by.

00:32:11.184 --> 00:32:14.065
I bought the recoup ones because I trust that name.

00:32:14.565 --> 00:32:18.075
But you want the ones that dangle, not the ones that make the little cross.

00:32:18.575 --> 00:32:24.345
The ones that dangle work better for younger birds because it doesn't require as much a pecking on'em.

00:32:24.845 --> 00:32:28.454
And when it's at low pressure, it also makes it a lot easier.

00:32:28.954 --> 00:32:32.734
So you're saying you like the vertical ones more than the horizontal ones?

00:32:32.974 --> 00:32:33.365
Yes.

00:32:33.865 --> 00:32:34.519
Oh, okay.

00:32:35.019 --> 00:32:35.259
Huh.

00:32:35.470 --> 00:32:38.920
Well, I'm going to the horizontal ones in the barn pens.

00:32:39.420 --> 00:32:43.109
Um, I mean, for a chicken to come up on the side, I could see that.

00:32:43.529 --> 00:32:43.740
Mm-hmm.

00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:52.079
But because the downside is, is they do drip, you know, when the bird's not getting all the water in their mouth, so there's gonna be some drippage.

00:32:52.259 --> 00:32:52.799
Mm-hmm.

00:32:53.299 --> 00:32:59.960
That's the downside to using a nipple in inside of a barn or anything like that without something underneath it.

00:33:00.460 --> 00:33:07.240
Well, if the quail can figure out the vertical, then I but suspect just about anything can figure out the vertical.

00:33:07.740 --> 00:33:11.509
So doing the vertical, yes, you're right.

00:33:12.009 --> 00:33:16.745
I mean, but the quail theres, has the little cup underneath it, so Yes.

00:33:17.245 --> 00:33:19.245
You'll have to figure that out too.

00:33:19.450 --> 00:33:19.870
Mm-hmm.

00:33:20.220 --> 00:33:20.509
Yeah.

00:33:20.894 --> 00:33:24.005
But that's just my experience and what I figured out.

00:33:24.505 --> 00:33:25.224
I like it.

00:33:25.724 --> 00:33:33.674
If you're gonna do that and use the closed loop system to pump water, make sure you get the ones that don't have water in'em.

00:33:33.674 --> 00:33:40.474
They have the little pressure thing for the bird to peck against, so it'll put the water in the cup.

00:33:40.974 --> 00:33:41.125
Oh, gotcha.

00:33:41.125 --> 00:33:42.085
That's the biggest thing.

00:33:42.585 --> 00:33:45.875
Um, also using cups don't cheap out.

00:33:46.375 --> 00:33:48.444
Buy, buy the name Brown ones.

00:33:48.944 --> 00:33:51.434
I have been through so many cheap water cups.

00:33:51.934 --> 00:33:59.934
You know, you can order 50 of'em for like 30 bucks on Amazon, but, well, I had the get what you pay for and the Turkey st.

00:33:59.934 --> 00:34:02.454
Stood on'em and broke'em off and flooded the barn.

00:34:02.454 --> 00:34:05.384
So I, that's why we're going to the nipples.

00:34:05.444 --> 00:34:06.319
They will all break.

00:34:06.819 --> 00:34:07.539
I promise.

00:34:07.779 --> 00:34:08.110
Yep.

00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:14.329
But the better ones will break less and put cutoffs on everything.

00:34:14.720 --> 00:34:22.090
So in my system I use, I found a fitting that specifically designed for rabbit.

00:34:22.590 --> 00:34:27.870
I don't know why, but like rabbit stuff apparently uses a five eights line.

00:34:28.370 --> 00:34:30.800
So what I did was these.

00:34:31.300 --> 00:34:36.039
Vows screw into the end of the PVC peak runs.

00:34:36.539 --> 00:34:49.730
Then I use the five eights inside diameter flex hose to move about around and about, and then, you know, if I got a straight line or whatever, then I use regular half inch PVC.

00:34:50.230 --> 00:34:51.700
So it works pretty well.

00:34:52.059 --> 00:34:52.269
Hmm.

00:34:52.769 --> 00:34:54.569
I mean, you can see the pictures.

00:34:54.569 --> 00:34:58.554
They can't, but, you know, just in one picture there's three cutoff valves.

00:34:59.054 --> 00:34:59.344
Yeah.

00:34:59.444 --> 00:35:01.065
We have lots of cutoff valves.

00:35:01.150 --> 00:35:01.900
Mm-hmm.

00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:03.420
They work really well.

00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:07.339
Um, inside the tank is nothing special.

00:35:07.839 --> 00:35:13.900
I used, I would not recommend, unless you're indoors using a clear container.

00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:19.309
I would recommend using something that is not transparent, that keeps out light.

00:35:19.809 --> 00:35:23.049
And that's gonna keep down algae and other bacteria.

00:35:23.549 --> 00:35:25.940
So do that or don't.

00:35:25.969 --> 00:35:26.750
It's your system.

00:35:27.250 --> 00:35:28.869
On mine, I got a float valve.

00:35:29.369 --> 00:35:32.639
I've also got a freeze miser right outside the float valve.

00:35:33.139 --> 00:35:40.009
And instead of using a typical water hose, I'm actually using three-eighths air hose.

00:35:40.509 --> 00:35:44.219
Don't cheap out and get the thin ones that are transparent.

00:35:44.369 --> 00:35:48.559
'cause you, those things will develop pinhole leaks or nothing.

00:35:49.059 --> 00:35:51.099
Why air hose instead of water hose?

00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:52.349
Because it's cheaper.

00:35:52.744 --> 00:35:54.364
Oh, well I wouldn't know that.

00:35:54.634 --> 00:35:57.244
You can get a hundred foot of air hose for 50 bucks.

00:35:57.304 --> 00:35:59.734
You get a hundred, a hundred foot of garden hose.

00:36:00.234 --> 00:36:04.934
Unless you find it at Dollar Tree, it's gonna cost you more than 50 bucks.

00:36:05.024 --> 00:36:05.864
Heck, I think.

00:36:06.364 --> 00:36:12.064
I bought, the most recent ones I bought were 50 foot three eights air hose lines.

00:36:12.484 --> 00:36:17.894
They also weigh a lot less, um, 50 foot pieces for like 16 bucks.

00:36:18.394 --> 00:36:22.674
And then you buy the, they call it a RV winterizing kit.

00:36:23.174 --> 00:36:32.125
You buy that and it has air fittings to hook to water cause you use a air compressor to blow out the water.

00:36:32.625 --> 00:36:35.204
Inside your RV to winterize it, so, gotcha.

00:36:35.234 --> 00:36:36.644
You know, those fittings are there.

00:36:37.144 --> 00:36:37.444
Yeah.

00:36:37.944 --> 00:36:44.134
Don't, don't use electrolytes in the summertime, except for when it's extremely hot.

00:36:44.634 --> 00:36:47.274
That's not a give it to'em every day thing.

00:36:47.774 --> 00:36:49.844
I've never bought electrolytes for a bird.

00:36:50.344 --> 00:36:55.394
Um, keep your waters in the shade just like you when you're outside.

00:36:55.394 --> 00:36:56.204
Relaxing.

00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:57.899
You want to be in the shade.

00:36:58.399 --> 00:37:01.279
Your birds probably spend more time than you do in the shade.

00:37:01.779 --> 00:37:11.609
Put their water there too, because if I got a bottle of water sitting on a picnic table out in the middle of the sun, I'm not gonna go over there and pick it up and drink it.

00:37:11.875 --> 00:37:16.264
But if it's sitting in the shade where I am, I'd be more likely to drink it.

00:37:16.264 --> 00:37:17.724
So do that.

00:37:18.224 --> 00:37:21.644
You can also put frozen water bottles or milk jugs in.

00:37:22.144 --> 00:37:24.454
Your reservoirs to keep'em cool.

00:37:24.954 --> 00:37:25.554
That works.

00:37:26.054 --> 00:37:30.134
So, yeah, I mean there's all kinds of stuff you can do to keep it from freezing.

00:37:30.634 --> 00:37:34.474
Um, last year I got some small jars of honey.

00:37:34.974 --> 00:37:38.984
cause honey, the temperature that it freezes that is like really, really low.

00:37:39.484 --> 00:37:44.494
I put that right next to I was, I was using buckets with the cups in them.

00:37:44.994 --> 00:37:49.774
I would put that right at the um, where the cup came through.

00:37:50.274 --> 00:37:51.625
I didn't have any problems with it.

00:37:52.125 --> 00:37:52.784
One of these days.

00:37:52.784 --> 00:37:55.424
You're gonna have to explain that science to me'cause I just don't get it.

00:37:55.924 --> 00:37:57.034
I didn't get it either.

00:37:57.454 --> 00:38:01.344
Like when I saw the stuff on, I believe some YouTube videos.

00:38:01.764 --> 00:38:02.634
I thought it was stupid.

00:38:02.634 --> 00:38:03.744
I was like, this don't work.

00:38:04.244 --> 00:38:10.454
And bipolar Alabama weather, it was 61 day and it said it was gonna go down to 20 and I was like, oh crap.

00:38:10.954 --> 00:38:12.214
Grabbed some jars of honey.

00:38:12.214 --> 00:38:16.824
Went and put in some of my pens that I could, and a couple of my reservoirs that I had.

00:38:17.324 --> 00:38:17.729
It didn't freeze.

00:38:18.209 --> 00:38:21.034
I was like, that's probably just'cause it was in the sun.

00:38:21.534 --> 00:38:24.084
In the wintertime, I will put waters in the sun.

00:38:24.584 --> 00:38:26.264
You know, they're still in something that.

00:38:26.625 --> 00:38:29.414
The light can't get in, but I do that for the heat.

00:38:29.914 --> 00:38:30.184
Yeah.

00:38:30.184 --> 00:38:33.154
I have my summer locations in my winter locations.

00:38:33.184 --> 00:38:34.084
Right, right.

00:38:34.584 --> 00:38:44.944
I mean that, that is kind of like the simple nuts, well, not really simple nuts and bolts, but poultry watering systems, that's kind of where he should be.

00:38:44.944 --> 00:38:46.114
Mm-hmm.

00:38:46.614 --> 00:38:47.724
Got any questions?

00:38:48.224 --> 00:38:52.204
No, I just use buckets info@poultrynerdpodcast.com.

00:38:52.704 --> 00:38:57.069
Well, I thought you were asking me if I had any questions then you use buckets.

00:38:57.279 --> 00:38:58.119
I use buckets.

00:38:58.119 --> 00:38:58.269
I'm good.

00:38:58.769 --> 00:38:59.919
Yeah, I would.

00:39:00.189 --> 00:39:01.539
I would like to get away from it.

00:39:01.539 --> 00:39:05.549
So this was helpful because I had that epiphany, so.

00:39:05.939 --> 00:39:06.599
All right.

00:39:06.629 --> 00:39:07.739
Well thank you guys.