Rachel’s Next Chapter

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Speaker 1: What's up, Bachelor Happy Hour? We are back again. I'm one of your hosts, Becca Koufred, and I am your other host, Michelle Young. And before we started recording this, we have been chatting for about an hour about Michelle and her dating life and how she's got to get back on the horse. It's gonna be a fun one of a very hot episode this week because I think Michelle's ready. I'm ready. We're of course going to talk about everything that went down in Paradise, and then we have a very fun guest. We sure do. And I think part of it is the fact that I didn't even know what time it is, but I've already I'm like on my second selsiest today, So I'm feeling amped. I don't know if that's like a positive thing or if that just shows how much life is and shambles right now. But this week has been crazy. It's crazy on the beach, it's crazy on the screen, and holy hell, it's crazy off the screen as well. So there's a lot of trouble that's going on. There's a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes. And I also feel like our audience and like bastur Nation has probably like the most in depth behind the scenes extra info that they've ever had with social media this season, what would you say, oh, one thousand percent? And well, that's a great segue to introduce our guests that will be coming on shortly, because if I'm going to timestamp this a little bit, but this past week was when the Paradise reunion was filmed, so everyone from the show was in town in LA They of course spent the day filming in front of the live audience. But then I heard some rumors from the grapevine of them taking this party elsewhere and everyone going out and all of the crazy dramatics had occurred outside of TV land, like on everyone's own time. And so we're gonna bring actually Rachel on very shortly to talk about what she witnessed go down. Luckily she wasn't part of the paradi cast, but she was still there amongst everyone, and so I can't wait to have her on pick her brain about what we saw with her and Gabby and the teaser for next week, they're about to hit the beach and according to Rachel herself, she said, Paradise is never going to be the same. But before we bring her in, here Michelle, how's it when you're finally back in La. You're you luckily weren't in the midst of all this drama this past weekend though, you know, I will say no, I was not in the midst of this drama in LA. But I've just been everywhere besides La. Legitimately made a goal to be in LA so that I can really start getting my feet grounded here. But I came back just in time, just for everybody from Paradise to be here. Lovely. I love that. So I was not in the midst of all of it. My girl Ryan, Ryan Claytor, she was in town this weekend. Um, we were on our way to link up, and then we made a quick U turn when you heard who was all gonna be? When we heard when we when we heard yeah, you know, we don't Yeah, yeah, they don't always need to be there. Sometimes it's fun being part of this crazy vastination, and sometimes you just need to take a step back and be like, I don't want to touch this with a ten foot pole. No. And it's just also there's just times where it's like sometimes it's just not it's not worth it. It's like you just I have no foma when it comes to these situations, right, like all of this drama, all of these things, like just the antics that are happening and just taking place. It's like, I don't need to be at the center of this um or anything like that. But it's just it never stops. And I think what's hard to is in the day of social media, somebody always catches it, and so we can you can only be so mad. But like you know, you got on public, you know, you go on in public with all of these other people, Like people take pictures, People are aware who you're with, People are aware who are people are watching your every move people know. Yeah, you know, I don't need to walk into a party from my exes I one thousand. You're like, I've already filmed the mental all on my season. I don't, right exactly, No, I really do. I really do love you know, some of them, but you know you don't need to be around others. Yeah, yeah, I get it. It was a lot. I mean, and I don't know if people read spoilers or like, even if you're on social media, there's a lot that was just put out there in general. So like you said, I think viewers are probably even more spoiled than they've ever been. Really, you can't avoid it. The reunion is going to be wild. I can't wait till we actually see it and get that the episode to see all well not even all part of what went down, but yeah, let's get into just this episode from last night. It was kind of a heavier one. I feel like it really left at least like me personally, like feeling kind of down. There was like a lot that went down and it was just heavy. So overall, like, what were your thoughts on the drama? Like I want to get into some of the Kate Hayden Logan stuff. Yeah, wow, Okay, Well, I don't know if it's because I've been through this process or watching it on TV or however many I'd be curious of listeners if they pick up on this stuff too. But when an episode starts off with some and feeling confident about the relationship, like Logan's like we made it past all of you know, the speed bumps, and it's like you just like hear the music and you're like, oh, okay, something's going to happen here, and it's like the same thing happened with Rodney of like them, like they really play on like the fact that this person felt so confident and it's like you know that it's like potentially going to go the other direction. It's it's always so short lived and like so intentional. I feel like of just how it plays out, But wow, the whole logan Kate thing, what are you? I want to know your thoughts on this, because so we had Kate on the podcast um a couple of weeks ago, a couple of weeks ago. I feel like after that podcast, you know, you, Beck and I you and you and I kind of had a little bit of time to talk afterwards, and it was just for me, I think the biggest like what's a different what's a different word for red flag? I can't keep using red flag? Biggest um like concern, I guess biggest, you know what I mean? Like, what wasn't sitting well with me was the still was the Seney situation was when she was trying to walk away, had a smile on her face and kept like seeking her out, and it was very in this like it for me anyways, it came off in this very like taunting way of like establishing dominance and like who has the power. And that's what I feel like we're kind of seeing this week again, is you know it really truly is fine that she has standards. She wants somebody who is you know, you know whatever, certain age, financial set. Okay, Okay, I got it, But that does not mean that you are better than Logan. That doesn't mean that you have more value than Logan because I felt like this is a situation like her comment about like, well, he can't even afford the equinox, and I'm like, okay, now, so what you're saying, I was like, what, I right? But like now, I mean shit, if I'm like also like a Bachelor Nation watcher, I'm like, oh so if you can't afford equinox, you are now on a different level. No, Like that's not I don't do that. Yeah, and it's I think for me, what really rubbed me the wrong way with their situation was like none of that was really relayed to Logan or Hayden right, Like it was more so like her with her girls having girl chats. But also like at some point, like that's pretty unfair to Logan too, Like if you're looking for a partner that you know has this like certain level of finances and like independence relay that like you at the end of this show, like the goal is to find a partner or to fall in love or to get engaged, like unless you're direct with what you're exactly looking for. Like he Logan was totally in the blue about any of this, Like he thought that no good at that point, Like you saw it on his face when she handed in that rose and said, like you have a lot to work on, do better. He was so taking it back. And so that's where I felt for him, of like everyone needs to be on the same page here and they're not, and that it just is going to get even messier. Yeah, let's get into the biggest mess of this week, and that is between Justin, Rodney and Eliza. I mean to say, I did not let Thomas watch this episode because he considers Rodney like a little brother like he even though they're the same age. I don't even know why I'm saying that, but the same sentiment, like he would have been fuming. I will say I felt for Rodney in those moments, like I truly felt like he was shocked. He was not expecting that conversation to happen, and it was a tough one to see him go. I mean, and I don't think we've ever seen the show on a level where other people are crying and like most of the cast is visibly distraught when one person's leaving. I will say that I got choked up watching this just because it's like, you know, Rodney and I have natural barriers, right with just things, but like I I obviously still want the best for him and you know, miss him as a friend and things like that, and so like to see him hurt like that, and to see him be so understanding with Eliza, like truly just so respectful, understanding, like we can get through this. Let's work through this. And like for them to for him to go through all that stress to then come back to this heartbreak and see that it's like, oh my god, like gut wrenching, completely gut wrenching. And I know for a lot of the viewers, I mean, we always get this every season. People are like, there's no way somebody feels that strongly, like in such a short amount of time. But like, keep in mind, when you're on Paradise, you have basically all day every day to spend moments with whoever you're trying to get to know and pursue and date, and so without a job, yeah, without a job, without any distractions, like you are literally just with them on the beach. And I think taking it back to the beginning of their relationship, like sure it wasn't long, but like keep in mind when they first met, like their first state, they had talked about going to Europe together. They had talked about meeting families, like they had like really solidified this connection fresh out the gate, and like talked about serious stuff and like made future plans. And so now that's where I could see like why Rodney was so heartbroken, because like in his mind, he's like, yes, this is a future, like we are making tangible plans to be a couple outside of this beach, and everything was just shaken up. It was it was so so sad to watch like poor Rodney. Honestly, like I texted him, I was like, get ready buckle up for the hashtag Rodney for Bachelor campaign to start Tuesday morning, because I feel like America is just going to feel for him. Yeah, I just, I mean, he just he is such a great person and it has been nice seeing him on the sand. I think, you know, Baschination is going to really miss seeing him every week there as well, and just it's it is. It's just like everyone was so heartbreak broken because he is very genuine, you know. Um with all of that, I was kind of hoping it was nice to see him on their away from somebody else. It was nice to see old Rodney. I get it. It's you're in a tough position because obviously you had dated him at one point, you then became friends and now like he is best friends with your ax. It's just a tricky situation. But that doesn't diminish like him as an notion. I literally know, I truly like, I guess, I mean two things that is from life that really like from any relationship is yeah, Rodney and Percy though two great things. Well with that, I mean they're like, wasn't really much else to Paradise other than the two things we just got into, honestly, thank God, because with everything going on outside Paradise, it's a lot in this week of everything Paradise. I really want to bring Rachel on to pick her brain about, I mean, just her in general, how life is after the Batcherette, Like she's living in La so much has changed for her, so I mean and honestly, the last time we spoke with her was at Afar. We saw everything that went down during that crazy finale, and she's just I feel like she's just in probably now a totally different headspace now that she's a little little slightly removed. So let's just bring her on. Let's get our girl on here. Wow, Rachel, welcome back to Happy We're We're so excited to have you. I have so many questions that I want to ask you in half of them probably can't even air on here. So we'll have little girls night. I was telling Michelle, I keep picturing like I feel like you're just gonna walk down her stairs, like through the door, like the fact that you love to zoom, and I'm like, she's probably just sleeping over with Michelle right now. She's upstairs. Now. The amount of times I've been to your apartment at this point is probably more than mine. Yeah, news watch for everyone. Michelle is renting out my place in La Like I don't know if people have pieced together, So we're basically all gonna move in and it'll be like Three's Company with three of us girls and then Thomas can just come in and bring us talk about whenever we need it coming back perfect online has been asking me Rachel Michelle Rummate's like, basically, you should you should be at this point because then I can un charge the rent a little bit. So sorry speaking about Michelle, you got a pay me. I know, I know. I then just remembered, Oh, my dad, I wish I could see would you say then I wish Becca was my landlord? I could be? This is such an easy fix. Yeah, I'm gonna say, let's go. Let's go. Um, Rachel, Okay. The last time we had you unhappy hour though was well not to like bring up old wounds, was during Afar of your season. Since then, how have you been? You've obviously moved to La life is different. Like take us through how you've been since that last interview we had with you. It's so crazy because it really feels like our interview was yesterday, but it really was so long ago. So obviously I talked to you guys right before the finale. That was a whirlwind going through everything after. I got to go to Vegas with Michelle right after, and so it's just been kind of settling into life after everything and trying to get my bearings. But I just moved to La I lived with Genevieve, who's on Paradise this season, and we've been having a great time, but still trying to, you know, settle in and figure figure out a new city. But it's been great. Did Michelle ever tell you that after the finale, like you had to fly to New York obviously, so you were busy, couldn't be part of this. We stayed up and partied with your parents, tell the bar clothes and your friends, and at least two we were dancing all night long. Like I woke up and I shouldn't even admit this, but like didn't remember half the night, and I was like it was a blast. No, I'm so jealous. I was on the flight to New York and I was just getting pictures from my dad, like him and Michelle, him and Caitlin Bristow, and I'm like they're literally having the time of their life right now, and that good. I just don't remember, Like I feel like I vaguely remember, like your dad just like feeding me a friendship mom and I taking selfie. It is like there was like it was just it was a night it was a great night to yeah, be able to sit down with them and talk with them. We definitely, we definitely celebrated you and your season with your family, So do not worry that night. Yeah, it was. It was actually once we got away from the stage and just had your family and drinks and some food, it was. It was the best way to end what was like probably the most crazy finale we've ever seen. Um okay, so you're in California now. You just mentioned you're living with Genevieve. What made you decide to move here in the first place. Well, it was kind of just such a last minute decision. So obviously I'm a pilot, I'm still flying, and I just wanted to move to a place where I could do that all the time. So Florida is a good place in California as well, and so kind of when everything was going down behind the scenes, Genevieve was like, hey, like I'm moving, Like what you want to live together? And I was just like you know what, Yeah, like let's just do it. And so it was super last it, but I think it was exactly what I needed at the time and what I still need and for us to be able to live together and go through this together. It's been it's been really fun and honestly, like I'm really just excited to be out here. I mean, you got settled in real quick with like embracing your whole California beach babe, with those bakin I don't remember where I was when I saw. I was like, no, she didn't. I know, I didn't. I was like, damn, Rachel now and I'm single, just hinged profile right there. Yeah. Yeah, So it was just creasy getting out here and it's still be like literally behind me, there's like a bunch of stuff and we still hadn't hung up and just getting settled. But it really was the best thing for my mind, like, especially after going through a breakup and going through such a crazy season, to like kind of just get a fresh start and be able to go somewhere new. I mean, it's been really awesome Michelle obviously you know as well. And having Michelle out here is to visit us more. I know I do in La I I well, it kind of like you two I went through. I mean this was a couple years ago. I went through my breakup and that's when I decided to move to La I was like, I need a clean slate. I need like my own area that I can like make my own new memories, and so La was like the best fresh start. There's something always going on. It's just so fun, so eclectic. So I need to ask you this though, because now, like, well, we'll see you in Paradise and we'll get into that, like your little appearance that you did, but you, for the most part, like like this season you're not a part of, Like you're removed from the drama. You're obviously living with Genevieve, so I'm sure you're still watching Paradise and watching your friend. How nice is it, though, to be able to relax a little bit more and not be the focus of a show. It is the best feeling in the world to watch and like know all my best friends and seeing everyone and not be a part of it. It's just I mean, obviously, I'm so thankful for my time as the Bacheloria and for everything, but it's been really nice to not have to go through it, because it's hard. Watching back is arguably harder than like, so yes, it's been nice, but I mean, obviously I know what it's like to go through a second time, and it usually is so much different than the first. So I've been helping Genevieve like through it because it is tough. So it's been nice to have each other watching it all back. I was gonna say, I mean, like, it's been quite a doozy on the sand for everybody involved. I would say a dozy? Was that really Minnesota? And me, I was just gonna say, your Minnesota, show it and show UFTA, like, yikes, Like there's been a lot that's been going on, and there's you know, Beck and I were talking about earlier that there's so much that is going on social media, like online fights, tweeting back and forth, throwing shade, trying to clear the air. We're like, Becca and I are over here like okay, contract violation, contract violation, Like damn, you know, how how is that? Because you know, Jenevieve and Aaron have really kind of been going at it on Twitter and she's gotten a lot of heat, A lot of people have gotten heat from just viewers. How how is that? Because I know that, you know, she's got a lot going on with everything. Yeah, I mean it is crazy that you guys mentioned that because I was thinking the same thing, and I was actually telling Jenevieve that. Like on our season, it kind of was just like what airs airs and you don't really get to say, hey, this happened behind the scenes. We had this conversation. We did this. In the amount of times this season, I've been like, wait, I'm like seeing a million different like viewpoints. What's the truth, what's not I'm like getting whiplashed from everything. It's honestly, it's very mussy, very crazy. But yeah, I don't know, Jenne, are you able? Are you going to tweet? I'm gonna say, have you told her to put down her phone when it comes to a tweet? Jenemy was gonna tweet. I'm like, like, I'm like wondering what I mean. I'm as you when you're giving her advice, right, because you've kind of been through a couple of similar situations. It's like, what advice can you give her without like that you actually think she'll take to heart and that she'll listen to right, Like we've always told people like don't go on social media, don't read the comments, don't go on forums like whatever. No one listens to that. So it's like, what's the best advice you're able to give her that you feel like she's taking the heart. It's just I think the main thing is just being supportive because everyone goes through this watching back in a different way and you really just have to support them in what like whatever way they take that. And that's the main thing too, because when I watched myself back on The Bachelor, I would like see the comments and read through the dms, and going on the Bachelorette, I was like, I physically cannot see the forums and the dms and the meme accounts, and that was really for me, especially Twitter, Like Twitter is the meanest. So I'm always like, you know, just stay off it and try your best. But I think just supporting her and supporting everyone, honestly, all my friends that are down there is all I can really do right now. Yeah, it's easier said than done. When it's like don't go on this, don't don't read that, don't engage with that. It's like it is sometimes you just gotta go through it and then you know, once you're ready to decide that like nope, I can't. I can't do this anymore. Is kind of like when people I feel like, hit their breaking point. With with letting that affect them. But it is definitely it's a lot. It's it's a lot to go through. It's a lot for one person to go through. Yeah, And it's almost like you can't escape it. Like I even remember like actively avoiding everything and I would just be on TikTok and there'd be like a full video and like what I did that week. So it's so easy just to stop and watch it and then feel bad for the rest of the day. So yeah, it's definitely a lot to go through and just supporting everyone as best as I can on his name. So speaking of supporting everybody, we see that you make a little appearance next week in Paradise. What was that like? Well, two parts, I guess going in and seeing some of your best friends and like being able to get caught up on like who they're falling in love with, who they're dating, and then vice versa. What was like walking in knowing that half of your exes would be there and potentially dating your best friends. I know that's been the craziest thing to watch back to and like those are all my friends and I dated him and he feel it's crazy to watch going down. I kind of was aware of who was still there and who wasn't because I would just text them and text them and as soon as that text went through blue like, oh wait, like this happening. You had a general idea of who was down there. But it was really so much fun to go down with Gabby and be a part of their journey and hear what's happening and getting the tea. Kind of, um, not super excited to watch it just because there might be a ring on a finger. General was so much fun to go down there and see what everyone was up to. Well, yeah, let's set the record straight. So timing wise, you and Gabby went down there when you were both still engaged in happy relationships. Yeah, so you're at a different mindset, different point of your life obviously, like post show, so a lot has happened since then. So I want all of the listeners and viewers to remember that, like this was filmed many, many, many months ago. Okay, it was like weeks after our engagement. It was very soon. Yeah, not even a month, so you know time right, It was Mexico true. Okay, So you and Gabby, you go down on the beach together. You and Gabby had spent a lot of time on your season of The Bachelorette together very frequently, and now you know you've gone through your breakup, and now Gabby's also going through a breakup. But she's also on Dancing with the Stars, and there's so much going on with her. Are you able to see her talk to her outside the Dancing with the Stars, Like, how often are you guys connecting? Yeah, I mean she is so busy right now, which, in a way, I'm super grateful for this for her because I think it's really helpful to throw yourself into something, and she really is practicing all day every single day. So as much as we can talk and exchange text, we do, and I go and support her in person really any chance I can get, so yeah, whatever support and whatever she needs right now, I'm going to try to give to her, just because we all know how difficult it is, especially in the public eye. But I'm just happy that she has at least something to focus on instead of just whatever is happening behind the scenes. Who knows, maybe once Sancy what the Stars has done. Once I'm gonna put this out there right now, once she wins that mirror Ball, the three of you will obviously have more girl time together, but could could maybe live live in the house together all three roommates like going through something similar and this crazy public eye. I don't know if LA could handle that. I don't know if my house could handle that. It would be burned to the ground. Oh wow, I'm kind of here for it. That would be That would be the show in LA. That would be the show I will camera for the first time. I will I will tease this though, is that Rachel and I have decided that we are going to take a trip somewhere and somewhere out of the country. We're gonna kind of like video it will make sure that our fault, like you know, social media can kind of be a part of like where we're gonna bounce to next. But we're gonna go on dates when this is happening. Have you guys played a month? How long are you gonna go for? Like two weeks? Two weeks? Oh my god, this will be fun. You have to do it like live in real time though, where it's like and then like can you have like poles for people to be like, oh, we kind of like ear leaning towards this guy for somebody. Oh, so we're gonna do we put their picture on a boat for the one that you let Michelle to go on a date with. Yes, and I'm gonna record her from the bush? Hell yeah, Like Rachel will be like filming like, oh we we're like Michelle's conversation. Oh are you guys gonna be miked up? Can we hear these? Um? Yeah? But honest, honestly, what's really funny is why is why is thinking about Rachel filming from a bush a lot creepier than like being on a TV show where like you're making out and the cameras right here. Why is it? Why is it more creepy pause in the corner recording? Because if you guys do it this way, it could be illegal if like the other party doesn't know that they're being recorded. Correct doesn't say this sounds sketchy. Oh I'm here for it though, But yeah, well that's so exciting. Um okay, well seating. Yeah, because Michelle and I before you came on, Rachel, Michelle and I talked a little bit about like her getting back on the saddle, and I've been saying date again. Have you been on any dates since coming to La or are you still just like taking it slow. Well, obviously taking it slow, but I actually did go on a date. Did it go well? Is there a second date in the future? It did go well? Okay, is a second date in the future? Wait, it's no one show right, and this is like a random person, a random person. How did you meet said random person? He slid into you know, the dms like we said unhappy ever last time? Like sliding They're open. Yes, Oh my gosh, okay, wait where did you go? Since it's done? No, where did you go? Um? We just went and got coffee? Oh? This casual? It was there? Kiss maybe? Oh Michelle? Do you detail knows all this shit already Shelle's house right before it happened. This girl was tweak. It can you go? I don't know how to date, not on a camera. You're like, I need somebody to tell me what to talk about. Literally, I'm like, how do you date outside of sitting down and being like, tell me everything about your life right now in this next five minutes, give me all of your trauma like you're doing this, strengths and weaknesses. Yeah, I'm going to give him a date card, like do I say at the coffee shop? Exo rage, Like, what do I do? That is so funny? Okay, so I'm here for this, so there's probably gonna be a second date. I love this. Keep us updated, please, But you're still open to like meeting other people, right, yeah, I mean the ms can still be slid into everyone. Absolutely, it's absolutely you know, anyone can come in and steal you for a sec. I feel how is Genevieve as a wing woman? Oh, she's great. She's such a good wing woman. So you know she might have to meet him soon and she can come on the podcast and give her opinion. Okay, I love this. So are you keeping it? Like, are you trying to steer clear of men within Vatch Nation? Do you want just somebody that's removed from the franchise or would you be open to still exploringce something with somebody from a past season. I don't know, It's it's hard to say. I think there is a certain level of like comfort with people who know exactly what we've been through and being able to date. But we were literally me and Jenevie were just talking about how weird it is like someone has always dated someone who's someone's ax. So I feel like it can get pretty tricky and watch since we've all dated each other, yeah, I mean I can. I wouldn't be open to that in the future, but who knows. Like our TikTok said when Rachel and I did that, TikTok, I want to like somebody who has not even seen the show. Okay, It's just it's unfair dating though, when they just have at the trip of their fingers, like watching us date like this is exactly how you look when you fight with people, when you cry. I'm like, but that's good because then if they're really willing to get to know you know, then they will get to know you. But I will say, so this date that she went on, is he like fairly different from the normal type that you go for? Yeah? Very different? Okay, is so nice? Like sometimes you have to to explore and see. So yeah, definitely different from my type. But Love'll send you guys a picture after the Please do what does he do for work? Um? The second we give too much away? Yeah like the music? Okay, okay, industry got it. We did you go to Priscilla's? Did you go to Priscilla's? Is the coffee shop? No, we went to Alfred's Oh okay, I feel like me Michelle needs to go on like a double date. Honestly, we were talking about this, do we is it too far? If we, like, do we make a dating profile that is just like for like the two of us and we need to find like either two brothers or best friends. Well, did you did you ever hear about Grouper? Like when I was living in and this was years ago, so I could be dating myself, but Grouper used to be a dating app where it was like two people would meet and then they each were allowed to bring two or three friends, so it'd be like this group of people going on this like triple quadruple date, and then you could like vibe who you hit it up with, so like you two could go and have like two friends. It's basically the same concept. It's really weird, but it's basically Yeah, it's basically bastination except not filmed. Okay, I'm kind of into it, but I definitely think we should do the double date thing. Honestly, we should. Just next time we're together, let's just pitch. Let's just tell two best friends that they need to send it. I'm gonna make it I'm gonna make it so easy. I mean, Rachel, I know you sent Joey and justin home night one, but just bring them back. You two can go on your easy double date dance. Everyone has one. Michelle's like, I'm gonna sit. I'm gonna be this day. Sorry, I can't. Actually I have something. Wait. Okay, so Rachel, I know a lot of these guys were on your season that are currently on Paradise, but from the men that weren't on your season, has any caught your eye on Paradise? Yeah, ooh, it's actually funny. Um, but I went to the Paradise Um like reunion, let's talk about that too. Yeah. Yeah, no, I didn't. And I was like so surprised by, like how great these guys in the beach are. Like obviously some of them you know, are taken, but I was like, you know, you see them on TV and you watch them, but I didn't know a lot of them, and I was like so pleasantly surprised by so many of them. They're really good guys. Yeah, there's a lot of sweethearts, a lot of them bread flags too, but swear, I mean you and Andrew were like matching outfits. I know you did show up in a matching fit Paradise reunion. Okay, I set us up for it because this is not going to happen for like a little air for a little it. But like it was crazy. There's a lot that happened, but you were in the audience for like the taping, and then you also took part in like just the fun party outside outside of the actual taping with everyone, which probably had even more drama. I would assume. Yeah, well from what I've heard, I mean, I woke up the next morning and I'm like, all right, everyone tell me the details what happened. But as far as the taping goes, I mean, I was sitting there with Gabby. Obviously we came off a very very messy season, and I thought Are after the Final Rose was pretty pretty messy and pretty bad. But this, I think this has to be probably being messiest reunion that's ever gonna happen. The amount of people that were just like coming from other's next that you would never expect, I'm like, where is this coming from? It was absolutely crazy, insane. No really have sat there and dine give us, give us like a little bit of tea, like, who win at it? That you didn't expect that I didn't expect probably not that she went at it, But I was proud of her, Eliza, she she was going through it down there. I wanted to go down there cradle her. But was it like in regards to like the whole Rodney Justin situation or was it something completely different? No, it was the love triangle situation. Okay, Okay, So you just hinted like Eliza obviously win at it for like this love triangle during the reunion, and in this week's teaser, we see Eliza leave Rodney on the beach and basically go back to get Justin. So I don't want you to like say, if she's with one of these men or not, but like, does the reunion kind of touch on that, like give an update enclosure to any of those well, any two of those relationships, or like do we know if Eliza's with anyone? Well, like, I have so many questions about this. Well, there's definitely, you know, an ending to it. I will say that, But what I heard was shocking. The details that kind of came out post domain were shocking. Well, I knew Eliza's side and obviously support her and women always doesn't matter, but just some of the details that were coming out and some of the things I heard. I was just sitting there, Me and Gabby were just jaw on the floor. Okay, okay, Oh my gosh. I guess like now hearing about like the reunion that you took part of, and thank god you weren't actually part of it, you were just there to witness everything. It feels like last season and even in previous seasons, like there was a decent amount of relationships to come from Paradise, like whether they were engagements or not. I think like the season there's like seven couples that are sold together. I could be wrong on that number, but now this season it seems like there would have been more. But now they're dwindling and certain things are coming to light that like these couples are breaking up, So like, do we still have some love stories to look forward to? I guess that come from this. I mean, of course there are so many love stories still there and some maybe rekindling happening as well. But yeah, overall this season it's been crazy because I really do feel like last season was like the gold standard of Paradise and the amount of relationships that are successful and still successful from it. I don't know this time. I think maybe the switch week might have played a part in that them not having as much time together. But there is of course still going to be love at the end of the day. Okay, as long as we have like one couple that we cant for. I feel like we have it with Brandon and Serene, Like I feel like they're right now, like the most serious couple on that beach. Yeah, but it's got to be. They've got to make it, I hope, so so much pressure on them. But you guys, right in Serene, if you're listening, this is you our only hope. You have to make it, Okay, give us hope everyone. Oh my god. It is really interesting though, just because it's like you make a good point, Rachel, with just there is the last time that they're being spent, you know, together on the beach, or there's just so many more. I don't know if it's like to keep it interesting, to keep whatever it is, to like all these different moments that are being inserted that are also like kind of why paradise seems to work. It's because you get to spend more time together. Yeah. Absolutely, it's been you know, interesting to watch back going through like having my own season and to see how they're actually like getting to spend all this time together. It really does make you think, like what you know, could have been different if we got to spend that amount of time or you know what I mean. So yeah, I don't know if they missed out this season by not. But oh, this is a good segue for this question because I know that you just went on the straight first date with this mystery man. But if things didn't happen to work out and you're still maybe at the same point next year that you're at now, would you ever consider going on that beach m I will go if Michelle goes down with God, damn it. I knew you're gonna see that. I knew you're gonna say that. I'm not going out her. I'm here for you. Oh my gosh. I would actually love seeing both of you. I mean, you know, I love both of you so much, but hey, I would be all for it. I would be your personal handler if you both go. I will take a month away from my life and from Thomas and the dogs and take care of you and in your wedding planning and what actually, guess I would love to get away. Just take me. I don't want to plan shit. I'm like, trusty, show it up. He did well, he did good, so well, I think it's a rock. Well we'll see, we'll see. Well, we'll keep talking about it, but you know, like right, and also we're having our own paradise when we when we travel and you know, try to find mister Wright and her husbands in Italy. Yeah, but we'll definitely come down and maybe like deliver a day card with our new people. You know, maybe we'll have a ring. Who knows, well, we'll have a friendship bracelet. At least it's gonna be the ones like made in Mexico with your names on it for life forever. We have a couple names. So what's our couple name? Michelle, Rochelle. Yeah, Rochelle, you're already basically yeah, yell like that Rochelle. I mean it's like a well even like even just Rachel. It's like with l Michelle at the edge, but you don't really need to change your name. Just sliding and they're kind of not really I like Michelle. I'm so funny. Okay, So since we last saw you. It was you're, like I keep saying, probably in a totally different mindset you were going through it. What is like the one takeaway that you've learned now being a bit removed from the franchise and away from your season, like, learned about yourself, about love, what you're looking for anything? Yeah? I mean I really did learn so much. But I feel like the biggest takeaway I've gotten out of this is just becoming way more confident in myself and what I want and standing up for what I think I deserve, but ultimately just being able to surround myself with so many amazing friends and people like Michelle and Gabby and I mean you Becca, everyone who's been there for me. I'm just so thankful for all of you, and for everyone who is in a similar situation. Just surrounding yourself with the people who love you, and still obviously healing and going through it, but definitely in so much like such a better place. Ry now amen to that. I love that to do this, I absolutely love that. Okay, So Rachel, you know how this goes. I mean, we obviously will do the Rose and Thorn, but before that, we added this new little part to our episodes, which is basically sharing a resource because we think it's so important to keep all of our listeners informed and share important resources here and on our instagrams that anyone can go to to learn more. Michelle, do you want to start or do you want me to take it away? I can start. That works, okay, So I there's always a lot going on in the media. We'll continue, unfortunately to be a lot going on. Becca. I don't know if you've talked about this one a little bit, but did you talk about Who we Are? The documentary? No? Okay, perfect, I just don't want to do double up on anything. But there's a Netflix documentary it's called Who We Are really kind of talks about just like where racism, racism comes from, stems stems from, it goes into silverl rights, but then it also gets into a little bit of like voting in just different things with that, which is very relevant to what's coming up here, because today is voting day, people, so get into your local polls and vote exactly and it just really talks about that, and it talks I think the cool thing about it is it like it does drop back of like how systemic racism kind of has started where it has come from, and it does a really good job of like dumbing it down it's not the correct word, but really explaining it in a way of like you don't have to have background knowledge to kind of understand it, but also how it needs to change or not yes it needs to change, but how it actually would change, and the steps that need to be put in and the steps that have not been put in. So it's been really interesting. But yeah, Who we Are Netflix, And it's just kind of like chronologically goes through things, gives you a little bit of a history lesson there. Yeah, Who we Are? Okay, thanks Michelle, take it away, Becca. Yeah, I'm actually going to share one too that I wanted to say for this week because obviously, like we just said, today is voting day and it's so important that people do vote. I'm not telling anyone because I know people are going to come at us to be like you can't tell us who to vote for, So I'm not telling anyone who to vote for, but just that it's so important to do. So. One podcast that I've been listening to that especially this week, well, the two episodes that I listened to are perfect for this week. But the podcast is called Pod for a Cause, and basically it's created for those wanting to affect change and just basically the important importance of taking part in the democracy. So two episodes that I would recommend. One is called here I Haven't Written down. One is called Wire Courts Mattered. But the second one that I think is very important, it's called Our Bodies on the Ballot and it basically discusses voting and abortion rights and how it affects mainly black women and people of color. It's so disproportionate obviously the healthcare and I think Michelle maybe you had talked about this in another resource, but so disproportionate across the board for black women and people of color. But it gets into like the importance of like voting around reproductive autonomy, which I'm a huge advocate for, Like I feel like it should be everyone's body, everyone's choice, and I'm not trying to push that out of anyone. But it's a great, great listen. So that episode is called Bodies on the Ballot and the podcast is called Pod for the Cause. So that is fine this week, And of course, yeah, and Rachel, you are up girl. Yeah, no. Obviously, going off of what you just said, everyone get out there and vote. I think this vote more than ever is super important, especially because of what's going on with obviously Rov Wade in each state and how like you said, it's affecting so many people, so many women, and just everyone in general. So everyone get out and vote. I was thinking about this because obviously watching documentaries, listening to a podcast like so important to continue to like stay in form, especially with everything going on, even just in vatnation, like just in general, making sure that you're continuing to educate yourself because it is so important. And I was thinking about like what we could do every single day, and I think the one thing is making sure the accounts I follow on social media are like kind of in alignment with that, so I am able to every single day be able to stay informed on what's going on. So I think some of my favorite ones that I'm able to stay and keep updated on, I really love the Grassroots Law Project and the Dream Defenders. I think those are two really great ones. I love impact, and so to be able to continuously stay updating and consuming that and continuing to learn. Um, it's just a simple follow. I think it's super easy to like every day when you're scrolling, you know, see and learn something. So yeah, hopefully that can you know. Oh, I love that. I really love that. Especial impact is an impact is a good one just because you are getting a lot of different information. And I really like that one too because you're able to actually like engage with it and or interact with it, and they like give you a lot of like steps of yeah, different resources. Yeah, totally, thank you, Yes, thank you. We're all spending half of our time on social media anyway, so that's a great, very easy one. I love that. Okay, well, Rachel, now is the time you've done this before where you got to share your rose and your thorn. So basically we're gonna do it from this season of Paradise. So overall, if you've obviously been watching with your girl Genevieve, like who are what is getting your rose from Paradise and then also the thorn like your least favorite moments anything, Oh my gosh, this is so hard. I think obviously I'm extremely biased because a lot of these women on this season are like very dear friends to me, so it's been just really amazing watching them go out there and be so open and honest and vulnerable with their feelings, and it's like I watch them. I watched Genevieve like just be so emotional and I just am like so proud of her for being able to do that. So have to give the rose to just all the women down there, and I think they're all doing such a good job. Um, thorn, I'm gonna go a switch week. I'm not a fan of it. I don't like it. I know there might be some relationships coming from it, but I just think ultimately it just hindered and hurt so many people in different ways. And so I'm gonna say a thorn too. It's a tweak and boys who are being meant of each who are being mean? All right, I love it, That's mine. I love it. Um well, yeah, we're excited to see more once to come. We can't wait to see you once again on the big screen next week. Um yeah, if you two get together and do a little girls' night on Monday, let me know, because I might just stick around longer in LA and be there with you. Yes, definitely we should do that. I was paying for it. Yeah, I would love that. Well, Rachel It's been so fun seeing you and I'm sure you're gonna see Michelle in like two seconds anyways, but can't wait to see more of the TikTok's. Um No, but we always love having you. You know you're welcome back anytime. Yeah, thanks for having you, guys. I feel like I could have had her on for two more hours and just talked about everything. There's so much that we need to do a girls' night because like, just like this stuff that we like find out, it's unreal. List something you even share with me through the grape. Now, this is good. I feel like I'm so far removed now, like I being on this side. Yeah, oh god, your girls keep me young. Um. Thank you Rachel for joining us on Happy Hour. Michelle, it's always so much fun doing this each and every week with you, and big thanks to all of our Happy Hour listeners. Don't forget everybody that you can catch all new episodes of Bachelor in Paradise every Monday and Tuesday besides this week on ABC, or you can stream it on Hulu and make sure to hit us up on social. You can follow us at Bachelor Happy Hour on Instagram and from there you'll find everything you need to know to follow us on Twitter and TikTok. New episodes of Bachelor Happy Hour drop every week wherever you get your podcasts, or you can listen ad free on Amazon Music. Included with Prime members now have access to all the new music and top podcasts through Amazon Music. 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