Ep:166 Tennessee Wood Boogers

<v Speaker 1>I was small mouth bass fishing right about in daylight
<v Speaker 1>down on the Duck River below with the Callfire's bridge.
<v Speaker 1>It was quiet. There wasn't no crickets, no birds chirping.
<v Speaker 1>Everything about me was telling me to leave. You know.
<v Speaker 1>I staid there for thirty four or five minutes, take turch,
<v Speaker 1>I said, third braid, until the birds started chirping and
<v Speaker 1>the bugs and I eased on out of there. I
<v Speaker 1>think it was behind me. I felt that in my chest.
<v Speaker 1>Whatever that was at crowd, it was twice. It was
<v Speaker 1>real short. It's mean. I had never heard a sound
<v Speaker 1>like that before. I don't know what no fart that was.
<v Speaker 2>I'll get us kicked off here. You've had some experience
<v Speaker 2>with uh boogers as we call them in the South,
<v Speaker 2>you know you're up there in Tennessee. Tell me what
<v Speaker 2>your personal experiences were. How you learned about these things
<v Speaker 2>to begin with.
<v Speaker 1>Well, my mother sent us up here to doo with
<v Speaker 1>our day back late eighty nineties, and just sending my
<v Speaker 1>brother and I got here, my daddy started expand on
<v Speaker 1>his barn stuff like that. He was into with the
<v Speaker 1>call spotted saddle horse, and we started breaking you know,
<v Speaker 1>saddle horses and walking orangers to trail ride for the
<v Speaker 1>public and around the lake here Tva some of the
<v Speaker 1>best trail riding in the country, and we always done
<v Speaker 1>it in the follow the winter. And uh, I would notice.
<v Speaker 1>I noticed one time back here on the real steep hillside,
<v Speaker 1>the tree top was held fifty seventy five yards of
<v Speaker 1>Bubba the tree. You know. That was the first thing
<v Speaker 1>I noticed. Something had to drug at that tree top.
<v Speaker 1>It was the whole tree top was way up hill
<v Speaker 1>from the tree and I just kind of noticed that.
<v Speaker 1>And I remember my brother telling about something messing with
<v Speaker 1>them out back behind Grandma's house, you know, on the
<v Speaker 1>same farm. Then nothing really until between twenty fifteen, late
<v Speaker 1>August twenty fifteen, I was small mouth bass fishing right
<v Speaker 1>about in daylight down on the Duck River, I belove
<v Speaker 1>what they call fires Bridge, and uh, it was quiet.
<v Speaker 1>There wasn't no crickets, no birds chirping, and everything about
<v Speaker 1>me was telling me to leave that right there. That
<v Speaker 1>that affected me pretty good. I don't know what that was.
<v Speaker 2>I never saw it, but you definitely had that feeling
<v Speaker 2>that something was right.
<v Speaker 1>I'm here to tell you. There wasn't nothing making no
<v Speaker 1>noise except a policed woodpecker right straight across the river
<v Speaker 1>from me. And uh, that first growl, that's what I
<v Speaker 1>thought it was, that woodpecker, you know, take it on
<v Speaker 1>that tree. But the second time I heard it, I
<v Speaker 1>looked up there. He was headed toward the bridge, the
<v Speaker 1>bird was and I spun around there, and I've got
<v Speaker 1>bad here, and I only hear good out of one ear.
<v Speaker 1>The direction of the sound is lost on me. I
<v Speaker 1>can hear it sometimes, but I don't know what direction. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and if you know, I stuck there for thirty four
<v Speaker 1>or five minutes, tell you truth. I sat there and
<v Speaker 1>pray until the birds started chirping and the bugs, you know,
<v Speaker 1>the cricket and stuff now eased on out of there.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the heck that was, but it
<v Speaker 2>was across the river from you.
<v Speaker 1>I think it was behind me. I think it was
<v Speaker 1>on the same side of the river as me. The
<v Speaker 1>woodpecker was across the he was at a tree across
<v Speaker 1>the but he was right about the middle of the
<v Speaker 1>river on a limb, and he was, you know, he
<v Speaker 1>took off a flying and then I felt that in
<v Speaker 1>my chest. Whatever that was at crowd it was twice.
<v Speaker 1>It was real short. It's mean I had never heard
<v Speaker 1>a sound like that before. I don't know what enough
<v Speaker 1>fart that was. As far as sightings, I've seen movement
<v Speaker 1>out of corner my eyes and stuff, and it had
<v Speaker 1>to have been something bigger than a deer. But on
<v Speaker 1>my place it was the year after I had that
<v Speaker 1>done there at the fires Bridge, the year after, across
<v Speaker 1>the road from my house, not fifty yards from my
<v Speaker 1>front door. I come bouncing out of the garage door
<v Speaker 1>one morning about four to six, and I just happened
<v Speaker 1>to look. It was real windy, early April. The wall
<v Speaker 1>was a blowing hell. Across the road over Richter Watson's
<v Speaker 1>his little horse law there all up, and there was
<v Speaker 1>one walking across that day, Gun, that little cow lodger.
<v Speaker 1>He was setting a half eight foot tall. I saw
<v Speaker 1>him clear as day, Matt, But I've never saw ones
<v Speaker 1>like facial features. Yeah, that one there, he had real
<v Speaker 1>long string of hair. He looked like he had you know,
<v Speaker 1>if he went a little hand on his gilly suit,
<v Speaker 1>That's what it looked like. And his leeve's hanging off
<v Speaker 1>the like. He just laid down the leaves and rode around.
<v Speaker 1>As soon as he saw me. He stopped and he
<v Speaker 1>knelt down. He got lot down on one knee, and uh,
<v Speaker 1>the way I got gootbops down. Thinking about it, I
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you're full with horses much, but you
<v Speaker 1>know how a fly will get on a horse, a
<v Speaker 1>horse fly bottom or something. The way they'll move their
<v Speaker 1>their skin. Yeah, they'll kind of shiver. Yeah, that's the
<v Speaker 1>only thing I can use to think up through the
<v Speaker 1>closest thing I ain't think I've ever saw to describe
<v Speaker 1>what he was to do. And I kind of chalked
<v Speaker 1>it up to I must have shocked him a little bit,
<v Speaker 1>and he stopped and dropped down there on the one
<v Speaker 1>knee and and done that shaken after he realized that
<v Speaker 1>the wind was a blow. It's so hard. Yeah, have
<v Speaker 1>you ever heard anything like that?
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, I've never heard about that shiver that
<v Speaker 2>you're talking about. I mean, the whole thing kind of
<v Speaker 2>makes sense as far as the setup is concerned, because
<v Speaker 2>the wind was blown, so he probably couldn't wind you
<v Speaker 2>real good and just didn't know you were there, and
<v Speaker 2>you just caught him off guard. But I know, I've
<v Speaker 2>never heard that shiver.
<v Speaker 1>I think that that was something he'd done regularly. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>or something, or you know, it was something because I've
<v Speaker 1>heard that gate over there. I've heard the chain rattle
<v Speaker 1>on that gate a couple of times. And my neighbor
<v Speaker 1>laid that door. She lived alone. She called me one
<v Speaker 1>time and said she was letting her dog out and
<v Speaker 1>heard that chain on that gate. And I had been
<v Speaker 1>hearing it for, you know, off and old for a
<v Speaker 1>little while.
<v Speaker 2>Now, was it walking away from the property or towards
<v Speaker 2>the property?
<v Speaker 1>He was walking away the kind of diagonal across that
<v Speaker 1>lot my house. My lot was square with mister Watson.
<v Speaker 1>He had probably twenty five acres across the road and
<v Speaker 1>he lived. His house was to the left, and he
<v Speaker 1>was right there across the road from my house in
<v Speaker 1>a lot. And I'd heard some wild sounds, like coyodies
<v Speaker 1>that kind of bleeds it into an owl. Yeah, pretty
<v Speaker 1>much know it was something that's sounding like them, and
<v Speaker 1>then they just so quiet. I talked to Tim about
<v Speaker 1>what happened to him down the river. I asked him
<v Speaker 1>where he thought that. Well, I don't know. I'm like, well,
<v Speaker 1>I kind of thought it was a dog man.
<v Speaker 2>How long had you been fishing before you heard the ground?
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't long, man, It wasn't long at all because
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't daylight yet, and I got there probably five thirty.
<v Speaker 1>It was just getting daylight, you know. And I left
<v Speaker 1>out of there. I don't it didn't seem like I
<v Speaker 1>was there that long. Yeah, but it was probably seven
<v Speaker 1>quarter seven something like that brounseoure o'clock when I finally
<v Speaker 1>got out of there. I never saw anything right except
<v Speaker 1>that was the only thing I heard other than that woodchucker.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even walk back up to the path. I'm
<v Speaker 1>along the edge of the river, got my feet wet
<v Speaker 1>and everything.
<v Speaker 2>Now were you just bank fishing standing in one spot
<v Speaker 2>or are you walking the bank or what were you doing?
<v Speaker 1>I was just standing in one spot. There was a
<v Speaker 1>rock out crop ter above the river.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the river was down like sign. Typically whenever I
<v Speaker 2>hear about stories like that, usually bigfoot will like start
<v Speaker 2>throwing stuff like in the water and towards you or whatever,
<v Speaker 2>trying to just get you to move out of the area.
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh, Yeah, I've had that assor.
<v Speaker 2>Going to the street growl like that. I mean, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know that that might have been a dog man,
<v Speaker 2>that might have not been a bigfoot at all.
<v Speaker 1>The feeling that was right. There was it's duck, you're done,
<v Speaker 1>it's over with. That was a feeling.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah uh, And they wasn't.
<v Speaker 1>They wasn't much shaking that feeling. I wouldn't wish it
<v Speaker 1>on nobody to feel that fear, but I kind of
<v Speaker 1>believe now that I won't never have to worry about
<v Speaker 1>that again. Feeling that fear. For some reason, I get
<v Speaker 1>that feeling of kind of an air rowing type because
<v Speaker 1>that was right that rf there was somebody gonna find
<v Speaker 1>my belt buckle in a pile somewhere. Like I said,
<v Speaker 1>I never saw anything. Now, if something was thrown, I
<v Speaker 1>didn't sing. Anything hit the water. Yeah, I didn't hear anything.
<v Speaker 1>I kind of believe something throwing a rock in the
<v Speaker 1>water would be louder than throwing it at me, you know,
<v Speaker 1>on the ground won't hit the ground. If they threw
<v Speaker 1>something and it hit the ground, it it had to
<v Speaker 1>be pretty close to me, or something pretty substantial size
<v Speaker 1>and make, you know, quite a bit of noise for
<v Speaker 1>me to hear. And I'm hard to hearing pretty bad.
<v Speaker 1>You know, I've gotten where I can't stand to ask
<v Speaker 1>somebody to repeat themselves, but I'll standing there twenty second,
<v Speaker 1>try to figure out what they say.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think with you fishing and everything, you
<v Speaker 2>would have noticed or something hit the water, you would
<v Speaker 2>have noticed the splash or something.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, Ever since that first one, I quit looking
<v Speaker 1>for them now there. At one time it was my
<v Speaker 1>new job figure out what the heck you know of
<v Speaker 1>was messing with me like that. And actually across the
<v Speaker 1>road from my brother in laws place, uh oh man,
<v Speaker 1>that place after they've got them, afterlight, I recognize the
<v Speaker 1>day a neighborhood of Bigfoot. I cared a lot of
<v Speaker 1>his soide fields and and flat woodland. Don't talk about
<v Speaker 1>it much because I don't have to access that picture anymore.
<v Speaker 1>But looked like a young a young one, and he
<v Speaker 1>was just like he just got set up. He looked
<v Speaker 1>like he was sitting there like I would turkey hunting,
<v Speaker 1>Like he was sitting there watching or trying to hide,
<v Speaker 1>like up against a tree or you know, in a
<v Speaker 1>wind row, a fresh wet wind row what we call,
<v Speaker 1>you know, when they've come through there with the dozer
<v Speaker 1>and they're clear out of the spot, and he was
<v Speaker 1>sitting there. He kind of looked like he was setting up.
<v Speaker 1>You know, if you put a motorcycle up under him.
<v Speaker 1>That's what he looked like. Huh, yeah, he had both
<v Speaker 1>his hands up a little bit. And uh. I went
<v Speaker 1>back through there letter that day and uh, he was
<v Speaker 1>kind of memriky what he was sitting in front of.
<v Speaker 1>I went back by three or four hours later. If
<v Speaker 1>he was there, he changed positions and moved and I
<v Speaker 1>didn't see. And there's clear, it was clear as day
<v Speaker 1>and them thing. You know, they got some kind of
<v Speaker 1>intelligence about him, Dan though. I mean it's thought. Uh
<v Speaker 1>they say, you know, it were like their TV. They're
<v Speaker 1>entertained themselves with others, you know. Yeah that that or
<v Speaker 1>my brother in law he was used to text me
<v Speaker 1>I once a month and say, man, you're hear this
<v Speaker 1>going on out here? They get up and go outside
<v Speaker 1>and smoke cigarette. Uh what late at night or they
<v Speaker 1>were in the morning. And uh, he won't talk about
<v Speaker 1>it too much. I'd ask him about it later and
<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't say much. I think a lot of people
<v Speaker 1>were worried about, you know, being made fun of or joke.
<v Speaker 1>I don't care. I don't care if people believe me
<v Speaker 1>or not or what they say. I know what I
<v Speaker 1>saw and I know what I heard.
<v Speaker 2>Now is he the one that you said had a
<v Speaker 2>photograph of something that looked like jeepers creepers?
<v Speaker 1>Now, that was my neighbor lives back here on the
<v Speaker 1>large part of my grandmother's fun that thing. I'm not
<v Speaker 1>into scare boovies and stuff, and I had to look
<v Speaker 1>it up on there and that was my sister in
<v Speaker 1>law told me that for the rook Like I was
<v Speaker 1>standing there next to her when he's sitting in that picture,
<v Speaker 1>and uh, I was, you know, I just kind of
<v Speaker 1>uh benched and moved with fingers after and zoomed in
<v Speaker 1>on it and uh and showed it to her through
<v Speaker 1>Helen keepers Creepers and uh, I'm like what And she
<v Speaker 1>told me about the movie and uh, but it's good
<v Speaker 1>a lot like it and Justin told me that it
<v Speaker 1>looked like there was adult there was a dog sitting
<v Speaker 1>below and he was sitting like Indian style, almost like
<v Speaker 1>in the true It was up on the truck of
<v Speaker 1>the tree a big widow and at the bottom of
<v Speaker 1>the tree there was a dog or something there, but
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't see it was uh, you know, he was
<v Speaker 1>kind of camouflaged by the poltige you know, down load
<v Speaker 1>that thing in the tree.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Look he had like an overcoat on kind of That
<v Speaker 1>was the picture that was sent to me, Matt, you know,
<v Speaker 1>and the fellow that sent it to me, he's not
<v Speaker 1>you know, he's not real uh cedified or sophisticated enough
<v Speaker 1>to be able to photoshop something like that, it don't
<v Speaker 1>you know.
<v Speaker 2>And he just saw this thing sitting up in a tree, yes, sir, Yes, sir.
<v Speaker 1>And the girl that used to stay back there wedding
<v Speaker 1>had asked me about the you know, extremely large spiders,
<v Speaker 1>and well, I kind of think it was a big
<v Speaker 1>of it that was on all fours and that's just
<v Speaker 1>the closest thing they can come to, you know, to
<v Speaker 1>what it looked like, because that's the same area, that's
<v Speaker 1>the same place. Like as coach talking about earlier, my
<v Speaker 1>brother had talked about something messing with them while they
<v Speaker 1>was camping. Oh, I was telling a friend of mine's
<v Speaker 1>daughter or a friend of mine and his daughter overheard
<v Speaker 1>it about that what happened to me down at the
<v Speaker 1>Pirates Bridge and said they was down there, were not
<v Speaker 1>in their jeeves playing down there in that mud. They
<v Speaker 1>was all standing around talking and something throw the big
<v Speaker 1>old big chunk on the flood of tree trunk in
<v Speaker 1>the middle of them. It's like it fell right out
<v Speaker 1>of sky.
<v Speaker 2>Down at that same location.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right across the river from there, the same area
<v Speaker 1>right there.
<v Speaker 2>Is it a place where a lot of people go to,
<v Speaker 2>you know, ride their jeeps and stuff through the mud.
<v Speaker 1>Us too. They put the uh, they put a guard
<v Speaker 1>rail up across the road there that can't that comes
<v Speaker 1>in there. And uh on the side that I was
<v Speaker 1>fishing on home if it's no roadbed, and they built
<v Speaker 1>a new bridge there, I think that's what it is.
<v Speaker 1>And uh, but they put a gate up on that side,
<v Speaker 1>and uh, I guess people moved their other side. It
<v Speaker 1>used to be fun to go down there and you know,
<v Speaker 1>with a fool would drive, but they stopped that. Our
<v Speaker 1>population has grown quite a bit here in By County
<v Speaker 1>in the last several years, and there's a lot more
<v Speaker 1>people here, which makes more people want to recreate diaks
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that has become real, real popular, and
<v Speaker 1>there's more people river. But back then when that happened
<v Speaker 1>to me, there weren't all that. There wasn't new as
<v Speaker 1>many people on those rigor that that river right that
<v Speaker 1>stretch of the river rut there really isn't all but accessible.
<v Speaker 1>My bills did a kayak down there, but then it's
<v Speaker 1>not easy like what people want.
<v Speaker 2>I was just curious because there's a a place here
<v Speaker 2>in Oklahoma that I used to go to all the
<v Speaker 2>time when I was younger. But it's a popular off
<v Speaker 2>road and four wheeling spot, and I've heard stories about
<v Speaker 2>things getting thrown at them, you know, at night time
<v Speaker 2>whenever they're out there and they're jeeps and stuff and
<v Speaker 2>their rock crawlers.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I used to do it for a living, doing
<v Speaker 1>the we control and UH liquid fertilizer uh on residential
<v Speaker 1>turf there, you know, fifteen miles and you know, a
<v Speaker 1>day but nothing. But my brother, he couldn't walk all
<v Speaker 1>that mud. We left, you know, our four daylight one
<v Speaker 1>morning turkey hunting on Wm A and we're sitting there.
<v Speaker 1>We got there own. We got there a little earlier
<v Speaker 1>than what but I thought we would move. Sitting there
<v Speaker 1>finishing a biscuit and a red bull, I heard a
<v Speaker 1>pine cone or something of bounced into our setup. And
<v Speaker 1>about the second one, my brother doesn't put his hearing
<v Speaker 1>eight on and turned it on and he heard it
<v Speaker 1>about saying, I guess and he here, Yeah, I didn't
<v Speaker 1>hear it. Long story short, come daylight. There's a pile
<v Speaker 1>with pine cones. I don't know, three quarters of a dozen.
<v Speaker 1>They ate nine fine combs, piled up like you placed
<v Speaker 1>them there almost between us. We was all three four
<v Speaker 1>foot apart.
<v Speaker 2>Like something had just like snuck up and set them there.
<v Speaker 1>Don't They bounced in.
<v Speaker 2>Huh, all in the same spot, Yes, sir, I mean
<v Speaker 2>that don't happen. That ain't falling from a tree or
<v Speaker 2>you know, a squirrel dropping him.
<v Speaker 1>No, sir, that's my brother. He's always kind of made
<v Speaker 1>fun of me, oh about that stuff. But they wasn't
<v Speaker 1>on denying that he know, drn Wall I didn't get
<v Speaker 1>up and go getter them up and lay them there
<v Speaker 1>because we were sitting there running their mouth. But he
<v Speaker 1>heard when he turned his hair and note on, I
<v Speaker 1>guess he heard he heard them coming. He said he
<v Speaker 1>heard most of them or coming in. But when he
<v Speaker 1>asked me if I heard it, no, I ain't hear it.
<v Speaker 1>But it was wondering what it was. But it was
<v Speaker 1>fish black dark. He was in kind of uh kind
<v Speaker 1>of a pine not a tying ticket, but mature pine trees. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and there actually on the edge of the wm A there.
<v Speaker 1>We had to walk in there three quarters of a
<v Speaker 1>mile maybe, And I've been you know, I used to
<v Speaker 1>do the week control and fertilizers and during the spring
<v Speaker 1>that's the busy season because you've got to get and
<v Speaker 1>go to work and can't go turkey hunting during turkey season.
<v Speaker 1>You know, that's forty five days there, and it seems
<v Speaker 1>like another full time job by the end of the season.
<v Speaker 1>But uh, windy days was the only time I could
<v Speaker 1>go hunting because it was real windy or for his.
<v Speaker 2>Reigning, not real great days to go hunting.
<v Speaker 1>No so, and the windy days had it happened most
<v Speaker 1>but I could hear. They had to be real close
<v Speaker 1>to me, Matt, because I wouldn't be able to hear another
<v Speaker 1>set of feet shuffler through the leaves. I mean them,
<v Speaker 1>dry them, dry oak leaves. You ain't gonna be quiet
<v Speaker 1>out right. I was wondering, that's somebody trying to get
<v Speaker 1>in between me and I can have But I guess
<v Speaker 1>I got a little bit inflated there about about my
<v Speaker 1>my ability to kill turkeys. And we'll see somebody who
<v Speaker 1>could kind of get in between me and the turkey.
<v Speaker 1>Almost you know much about turkey, but around here public
<v Speaker 1>plan is uh, it's a little bit of pressure on
<v Speaker 1>public land. Yeah, and it's hard to you know if
<v Speaker 1>people call, you know, call say call shy and stuff
<v Speaker 1>like that. That's before I realized they wasn't no such
<v Speaker 1>thing as call shy. They just but uh, I learned
<v Speaker 1>to run the harder types of turkey calls to run
<v Speaker 1>like the trumpet and uh like a a pill bottle
<v Speaker 1>cube call. They're uh, you know, it takes a little
<v Speaker 1>bit of skill or practice to run them. No, I
<v Speaker 1>got pretty good at killing turkeys and on public land.
<v Speaker 1>And we'll get on you know, lining and brag about it.
<v Speaker 1>I guess, ego, I guess, but uh, I was stung
<v Speaker 1>something with somebody was trying to get between me and
<v Speaker 1>my turkey. Track to killing the turkey. It's the only
<v Speaker 1>thing I could attribute to another pair of feet walking
<v Speaker 1>around in the woods. The man's vine at tatting all
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff. It'll lie to himself if he if
<v Speaker 1>he allows it, come to find out, you know, figure
<v Speaker 1>out that that uh boogers you know, following me. I
<v Speaker 1>was stopping. That's when I kind of figured it wasn't
<v Speaker 1>a man because I don't think a man would walk
<v Speaker 1>backwards a half a step off be right in time
<v Speaker 1>with me. But it it just didn't sound you know,
<v Speaker 1>it was more than one the time, and their timing
<v Speaker 1>will be off.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they would follow you into your spot or
<v Speaker 2>follow you out.
<v Speaker 1>They was phoning me out of that area. And I've
<v Speaker 1>been run out of an area too. Of Max Whissee's
<v Speaker 1>family had some property over by the industrial park, and
<v Speaker 1>I would I'd back my truck and go. There was
<v Speaker 1>ag fields up there in between those industrial buildings and
<v Speaker 1>I'd back up for the combine up pulled into the field.
<v Speaker 1>I backed my truck up running there and the walk
<v Speaker 1>across had that field. To get to that in the
<v Speaker 1>property over that they wouldn't know. They had to park
<v Speaker 1>out there to the highway and walk through good ways
<v Speaker 1>to get back there. Back to the woods. They run
<v Speaker 1>me out of there a couple of times. There was
<v Speaker 1>a certain tree, there was a great big sycamore back
<v Speaker 1>there before daylight. They did not. It was like hitting
<v Speaker 1>the wall right there. That's the only thing I could
<v Speaker 1>describe it as I could not without causing myself some trouble.
<v Speaker 1>I really felt like I didn't need to go past
<v Speaker 1>that tree. But after day got daylight, I went back
<v Speaker 1>over with my with a friend of mine. He was
<v Speaker 1>such a good friend. I took him over with me
<v Speaker 1>and we walked back here, and did you know, it
<v Speaker 1>was fine after daylight, and I could kind of figure
<v Speaker 1>out that they didn't want me back there before daylight.
<v Speaker 2>Huh.
<v Speaker 1>I went back here after daylight, and you know, had
<v Speaker 1>been pretty successful, you know, kurky hunting. But I knew,
<v Speaker 1>I knew they was there. I saw footprints, and I
<v Speaker 1>sent Tim a picture of what looked like a cow track,
<v Speaker 1>but you could see I remember him describing, you know,
<v Speaker 1>they would walk on our knuckles or whatever. Do you
<v Speaker 1>remember that you old.
<v Speaker 2>Tell that one? Yeah, yeah, Bear discovered that down in Louisiana,
<v Speaker 2>I think where it looked like they were punching into
<v Speaker 2>the ground. And uh, it just looked like cow tracks
<v Speaker 2>to most people. But if you got up on the track,
<v Speaker 2>you could see the knuckle impressions yeah, and the thumb yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And that's so I thought to save the gun. And
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't long after they they described that how that
<v Speaker 1>track looked, and I'm standing there over this track and
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at exactly what they described and we'll shoot.
<v Speaker 1>I was hoped because that's why I started going over
<v Speaker 1>there could be hoping they wouldn't go over there in
<v Speaker 1>that area. It didn't stop me from hunting, but it
<v Speaker 1>certainly changed my the way I went about it. You know,
<v Speaker 1>there wasn't no more leaving the truck without no flash
<v Speaker 1>flight at three, three, four or five in the morning,
<v Speaker 1>with nothing more than a sell full screen as lot. Uh,
<v Speaker 1>there wasn't no more of that.
<v Speaker 3>There wasn't a whole lot more going by myself because
<v Speaker 3>I kind of knew how to keep not necessarily myself safe,
<v Speaker 3>but uh from being further traumatized.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, they ain't no joke that's true about you know,
<v Speaker 1>being masters of intimidation. Even if you you know, kind
<v Speaker 1>of know that they're not gonna hurt you or whatever.
<v Speaker 1>They can they can come to you to hurt yourself
<v Speaker 1>or or they can dang sure affect the man mentally.
<v Speaker 1>That dog I was talking about, he was supposed to
<v Speaker 1>be a foster. I didn't want want nothing to do
<v Speaker 1>with him. But about three days after he was there
<v Speaker 1>at the house, he jumped up in the truck one
<v Speaker 1>morning and wouldn't get out, and I drag drug him
<v Speaker 1>out of there, and he kept getting back in the
<v Speaker 1>truck before I could get the door closed, and I like, well, dog,
<v Speaker 1>you're going made today and let you That dog was
<v Speaker 1>in the truck with me every day after that, and
<v Speaker 1>he was a very good dog. Nothing scared y that.
<v Speaker 1>He was reprotective of me. He was a one person
<v Speaker 1>dog and he didn't want much to do with anybody else.
<v Speaker 1>But he was my ears. I wouldn't go in the
<v Speaker 1>woods without him, and I kind of got let myself
<v Speaker 1>get fault to that. I thank hell, I'm gonna I'm
<v Speaker 1>gonna go go to the woods somewhere or something other
<v Speaker 1>than now, where's my dog? I ain't got my dog?
<v Speaker 1>So I wouldn't go. I still don't. I don't go
<v Speaker 1>by myself hardly. So, like I said, I had that
<v Speaker 1>doll girl for several years, and uh, any, I believe
<v Speaker 1>just about any dog what would be able if you
<v Speaker 1>pay attention to him, we'll be able to lets you
<v Speaker 1>know when something's up.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's the thing. You got to pay
<v Speaker 2>attention to him, and you gotta trust their instincts. And
<v Speaker 2>if the dog says it's time to go, then it's
<v Speaker 2>probably time to go.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, and he Cooper. He didn't play around. He
<v Speaker 1>buzzing collar, vibraaking that collar. He just keep all. He
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't turn around, and uh, you know that's when I
<v Speaker 1>just fall under the truck. He'd been the truck waked,
<v Speaker 1>don't you. You could holler a truck at him and
<v Speaker 1>he would That's where he go. I don't know, it's
<v Speaker 1>hard to explain that durned dog, but uh, you missed
<v Speaker 1>something like that. They wouldn't no better woods companion, Like
<v Speaker 1>I said, you know the horses, will you know? Thinking
<v Speaker 1>about uh, when was breaking them coats out here, even
<v Speaker 1>the dago green broke coat, you know, come think of it.
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes they wouldn't cross the creek down here by Grandma.
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes they just when he you know, just walked right
<v Speaker 1>across it. And other times they they would buck before
<v Speaker 1>they'd go across that creek.
<v Speaker 2>I think you mentioned to me whenever we were talking
<v Speaker 2>on Facebook, that your dad had some encounters and got
<v Speaker 2>to the point where he wouldn't even talk about him.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he wasn't. He was. He wouldn't talk about it.
<v Speaker 1>But I got to describing one day right there before
<v Speaker 1>he passed away, because he was real hard hearing him
<v Speaker 1>myself and and my older brother all had the same
<v Speaker 1>inner ear problems, and uh, my dad was horrible. I
<v Speaker 1>mean as far as being able to hear. I cut
<v Speaker 1>my truck off in the driveway and I could hear
<v Speaker 1>his TV playing. And uh so I think they really
<v Speaker 1>probably ramped up. I think they was, you know, kind
<v Speaker 1>of messing with him.
<v Speaker 2>Do you think they do you think they figure that
<v Speaker 2>out that somebody's hard hearing.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I really do, because I think they were trying
<v Speaker 1>to get a reaction out of him by you know,
<v Speaker 1>a boy maybe making noises and stuff, and they weren't
<v Speaker 1>getting any reaction out of him, and I think they
<v Speaker 1>they kept ramping it up until they had to reveal
<v Speaker 1>themselves to him. Yeah. Uh, you know of visually he
<v Speaker 1>had to sit, you know, because I'm pretty sure he
<v Speaker 1>probably saw something pretty dad gun cleared for him to
<v Speaker 1>My daddy was you know, he's those cool, typical boomer
<v Speaker 1>but he wasn't scared much and uh it wasn't scared
<v Speaker 1>of much natural Uh, especially he was cautious about snakes
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. And that was a big thing
<v Speaker 1>for us when he was growing up. Watch where he
<v Speaker 1>puts your feet, But uh, it was standing in the
<v Speaker 1>camper out here, my brothers. Uh that my brother had
<v Speaker 1>the way he looked at me when I started describing
<v Speaker 1>things about what I thought he saw or about what
<v Speaker 1>was going on, you know, because I was trying to
<v Speaker 1>let him know it was okay. He wasn't. He wasn't
<v Speaker 1>crazy people crazy, and uh, the way he looked at
<v Speaker 1>me was just, oh, it was like a you know,
<v Speaker 1>instead of a gruff, you know, tough old man, it
<v Speaker 1>was you know, a little boy almost. I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>if you know, like a bumper pool camper, you know,
<v Speaker 1>a little little porch awnings or whatever that rolls up. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>well that drama is pretty heavy and wrong. He was
<v Speaker 1>out for you, and uh, I don't know. A couple
<v Speaker 1>of weeks later, he cost me and tells me, I
<v Speaker 1>don't know what the heck hew done to my dog,
<v Speaker 1>my roof, my porch roof here, but uh, you need
<v Speaker 1>to come out here and look at it. I I
<v Speaker 1>come on here.
<v Speaker 2>At the.
<v Speaker 1>Center of that drum was bent like a v and
<v Speaker 1>my brother, Hell, he's twice as heavy as I am.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe not twice, but uh he sat down on it,
<v Speaker 1>Matt and about turned the dug on camper over but
<v Speaker 1>never moved, never further bent of the on and drum
<v Speaker 1>or even made it move. Really something, I don't know
<v Speaker 1>what they wouldn't no tree limb that fell and benett
<v Speaker 1>like that.
<v Speaker 2>I mean that would take one heck of a tree
<v Speaker 2>limb and I mean it would be laying right there
<v Speaker 2>if it did.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the whole, the whole. You know, they were mashed
<v Speaker 1>the whole camper.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what beent that day, young thing, but
<v Speaker 1>it seems how did they how did that bend it
<v Speaker 1>without moving the rest of it? You know, like my
<v Speaker 1>brother he was rocking the camper when he was you know,
<v Speaker 1>kind of bouncing on it, and uh yeah, it's just
<v Speaker 1>kind of we're you know, like they talk about bending
<v Speaker 1>trees and stuff and sticking around. Uh after my brother
<v Speaker 1>in law and the maples, after they'll beef maybe four
<v Speaker 1>to six inch caliper tree, but beef you know, thirty
<v Speaker 1>five foot tall and be bent over and stuck up
<v Speaker 1>in the ground the top of it. Yeah, there's a
<v Speaker 1>lot I give you after and you know, people that
<v Speaker 1>that try to shame me or whatever about it, turn
<v Speaker 1>around maybe about ten thirty eleven o'clock at night, we'll
<v Speaker 1>go down here a row right close through the air
<v Speaker 1>Force base there. Well, it's actually the road is probably
<v Speaker 1>in the on the air force base. There's woods on
<v Speaker 1>both sides. Sit there and cut the truck off and
<v Speaker 1>roll the windows down. We'll leave whenever you're ready. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>They nobody ever take me up on it though. It
<v Speaker 1>don't matter where you got a gun, they're not. Most
<v Speaker 1>of the time. They'll they'll avoid, which they don't really
<v Speaker 1>want to have contact with you anyway, I don't think
<v Speaker 1>most of the time. But they just soon you go
<v Speaker 1>back home. A lot of places over by the pump
<v Speaker 1>station where I saw that that mountain line, that bunch
<v Speaker 1>over there. They don't play around if you if you
<v Speaker 1>interrupt anything that they're doing. You know. That's another concern
<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of times, is interrupting them and
<v Speaker 1>turning their attention, their their predatory attention to me. You
<v Speaker 1>only interrupt a coyote hunt or so like that. That's
<v Speaker 1>another thing. I found the two coyote carcasses one day.
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have put it together like this if I
<v Speaker 1>hadn't heard someone else talk about the way they did
<v Speaker 1>their dog, how they killed their dog. That's another construct,
<v Speaker 1>you know, I've worried about mine, but that the way
<v Speaker 1>they done that coyote, it's like they his tail is
<v Speaker 1>the base of his tails, his nose met for the
<v Speaker 1>back of his neck, you know, the the back of
<v Speaker 1>his head. Yeah, you know, like they and they wasn't no,
<v Speaker 1>there wasn't no, there was no organs in them. They
<v Speaker 1>were split open like you split them open with a laser.
<v Speaker 1>The actress. They were fresh too. They weren't even smelling
<v Speaker 1>bad yet.
<v Speaker 2>And where did you find these out?
<v Speaker 1>That was in center Town over in Warren County, between
<v Speaker 1>wood what they call Woodbury and menvill that got permission
<v Speaker 1>to hunt a farm over there and uh uh actually
<v Speaker 1>a good friend of mine that uh had control of
<v Speaker 1>some some agricultural property there, the right you know, had
<v Speaker 1>to hunt and rise and and used to be it's
<v Speaker 1>not as I don't think it's about anymore, but it
<v Speaker 1>used to be a lot of you know of uh
<v Speaker 1>backwoods organized crime over and nerve for the less for lack.
<v Speaker 2>Of a better term.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but uh yeah, I've only ever saw that that
<v Speaker 1>knuckle track and I me and Lester was uh at
<v Speaker 1>the back of it. I don't know if you know
<v Speaker 1>y'all have retention ponds around the subject not but uh,
<v Speaker 1>you know, ten years after the sub divisions put in,
<v Speaker 1>that pond will have fish in it if it holds
<v Speaker 1>water and the alight fishing and retention ponds because a
<v Speaker 1>lot of times ain't nobody there, and uh, it's clean
<v Speaker 1>all that out there. The Air Force base is low
<v Speaker 1>and and kind of swampy, and they cut like swells.
<v Speaker 2>And some of it for drain.
<v Speaker 1>And it was one of these wells come out of
<v Speaker 1>the Air Force basin in the back of that subdivision
<v Speaker 1>and there was some real slick, uh like mud there
<v Speaker 1>and there was infant tracks all in that mud. Uh.
<v Speaker 1>It was late March, early April, and it was frosty.
<v Speaker 1>It was still frosty that morning at when we was there.
<v Speaker 1>Them a little tracks. Total lesters like, well it's been
<v Speaker 1>nice weather. GiB who go let their kid walk around,
<v Speaker 1>let their child walking around with you know, with no
<v Speaker 1>shoes on, stump around in the mud. I kind of
<v Speaker 1>believe that might have been, you know, maybe a nursery
<v Speaker 1>type area because it was protected. It was kind of
<v Speaker 1>a a pretty good sized, real wide drawl. Wasn't real steep,
<v Speaker 1>but it was wide that goes down into Cat Creek
<v Speaker 1>and it's kind of a bowl there, and it's wooded
<v Speaker 1>and it's stick and nobody goes in there really, uh,
<v Speaker 1>there ain't nothing, ain't much reason to go in there,
<v Speaker 1>and I imagine if somebody does it, get they get
<v Speaker 1>run out. I thought maybe it might have been last
<v Speaker 1>year's Youngns that was you know, them tracks belonged to
<v Speaker 1>because they weren't real big. They weren't as big as
<v Speaker 1>they may be half as big as our fate. But uh,
<v Speaker 1>that was kind of LOLd.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Some of some of the most impressive tracks I've
<v Speaker 2>seen are ones where it's just like, okay, well, you
<v Speaker 2>know it would be highly unlikely that somebody be out
<v Speaker 2>here barefoot, first off, and then secondly, you know these
<v Speaker 2>these footprints. I got a plaster cast of a track
<v Speaker 2>that we got that's the foot's like five inches long,
<v Speaker 2>you know, so like they ain't letting their little kids
<v Speaker 2>run around out their barefoot in the middle of September
<v Speaker 2>whenever it's fifty degrees outside.
<v Speaker 1>Yep. That's that's about the size of them tracks that
<v Speaker 1>we saw. You know. I just kind of thought it
<v Speaker 1>was kind of cute. Uh. If anything, you know, something
<v Speaker 1>like that can be cute. The tracks were a little
<v Speaker 1>biggy track. There was two different ones there. Yeah, there
<v Speaker 1>was two two sets of tracks and it was right
<v Speaker 1>there in that area, and they must have been five
<v Speaker 1>hundred of them. Like they was playing right there they
<v Speaker 1>I didn't, but I didn't see any you know, like
<v Speaker 1>uh seeing me. Like if you was, you know, child
<v Speaker 1>playing in the mud, you you get it on your
<v Speaker 1>hands too, and you know, finger drag marks and stuff. Uh,
<v Speaker 1>never seeing anything like that, but there certainly was quite
<v Speaker 1>a bit of activity right there, Lester. He thought I
<v Speaker 1>was crazy. It had been you know, I've known him
<v Speaker 1>since elementary school and he was one of them. He's
<v Speaker 1>one of them friends where you pick up right where
<v Speaker 1>he let leave off, you know when you see him.
<v Speaker 1>And uh, he rode around with me all weekend one weekend,
<v Speaker 1>and he thought I was crazy, you know, just he's
<v Speaker 1>wondering what I was on. It's like, man, I thought
<v Speaker 1>you just full of full of crowd man, Like whatdn't
<v Speaker 1>the hell'd you? What the hell have you? What the
<v Speaker 1>heck if you exposed me too.
<v Speaker 2>Once the door is open, you can't shut it.
<v Speaker 1>Now, once you say it, you can't unsee it. And
<v Speaker 1>you know, people you know, it really kind of bothers
<v Speaker 1>me a little bit when I read where people are
<v Speaker 1>talking about how they how desperately they want to see
<v Speaker 1>you know, I want to get on there to tell
<v Speaker 1>you know, it ain't always said if I'm mind there
<v Speaker 1>down to the interstate and they're you know, half a
<v Speaker 1>mile away, sometimes it's fifty yards across grow from my house.
<v Speaker 1>That really I don't know. I never really I'm not
<v Speaker 1>necessarily all that religious, but I know, you know that
<v Speaker 1>morning down there on the river, you know that prayer
<v Speaker 1>which I have, you know, faith then, but uh that after, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I believe if it didn't keep it off of me,
<v Speaker 1>it helped me. Well, there's I was sitting here looking
<v Speaker 1>at a little baby deer now right, you know, trying
<v Speaker 1>to cross draw me. Uh, but that that after I
<v Speaker 1>kept whatever that was off of me that morning, and
<v Speaker 1>you know that just kind of if it does take
<v Speaker 1>me out at that point, I believe I've won. You
<v Speaker 1>might have to do something pretty bad for for him
<v Speaker 1>to come come on him like that, I believe. Kind
<v Speaker 1>of hard to say. You know, you say it concerns
<v Speaker 1>you and worries you, but then again, you know there's
<v Speaker 1>times that it don't like I remember talking about, you know,
<v Speaker 1>cooking bacon or something other camping, and uh, I cooked
<v Speaker 1>some that night. I like breakfast or suffer and they
<v Speaker 1>ain't nothing better than eating breakfast well camping, whatever time
<v Speaker 1>of day it is, cook some bag at night. I
<v Speaker 1>was kind of about halfway through it. I thought I
<v Speaker 1>would turn I'm not here dogger cushery and I'm cooking
<v Speaker 1>bacon and draw me in. Of which if I did,
<v Speaker 1>I didn't. Y'all didn't know what. But you know, forget
<v Speaker 1>all about it until until it's kind of too late.
<v Speaker 1>You know you've done started. Like I was talking about
<v Speaker 1>people wanting to see them, I ain't never talk to
<v Speaker 1>anybody that their life is better because of seeing one
<v Speaker 1>of them.
<v Speaker 2>Turn things well, man, I appreciate you coming on here
<v Speaker 2>and talking to me and sharing your stories.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you well, I sure enough appreciate you having me
<v Speaker 1>all and luck I said, I appreciate y'all do what
<v Speaker 1>y'all do, and and everything.
<v Speaker 2>And if you've had your own encounter with Bigfoot or
<v Speaker 2>something else you can't explain out in those woods, email
<v Speaker 2>me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check out
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