"Animal House" (1978) vs. "Revenge of the Nerds" (1984): Part 1

<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, and welcome to another Surely you Can't Be
<v Speaker 1>Serious podcast with my buddy Jason Colvin and d Graves.
<v Speaker 2>They call us.
<v Speaker 3>All right. D you know when you were a baby
<v Speaker 3>your crib.
<v Speaker 4>Your father looked down on you, and he had but
<v Speaker 4>one hope someday my son will grow to be a man.
<v Speaker 3>Well look at you now.
<v Speaker 4>You're a host of the Shirley you Can't Be Serious podcast.
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure your dad's very proud of that.
<v Speaker 3>Actually, that is great. Welcome back to the Sure That
<v Speaker 3>you Can't Be Serious podcast. Everybody, It's pledged week.
<v Speaker 4>I don't know who I'm gonna pledge with this week.
<v Speaker 4>I've been bouncing around the fraternitys.
<v Speaker 3>Were you ever actually a member of a fraternity? I was?
<v Speaker 5>Not?
<v Speaker 3>Me neither. Now I well, okay, now I take that back.
<v Speaker 3>When I was in law school, the Phi Delta Phi
<v Speaker 3>fraternity had ceased to exist at my law school, and
<v Speaker 3>so I was like, hey, we should bring this thing back.
<v Speaker 3>And so I called the national chapter and they're like, hey,
<v Speaker 3>is the guy who's bringing it back. You get to
<v Speaker 3>decide what the guidelines are and you'll be the president.
<v Speaker 3>And I was like resume. Yeah, so so yeah, I
<v Speaker 3>brought the Phire Delta five back to the University of
<v Speaker 3>Oklahoma Law School, and then I discovered that when you
<v Speaker 3>have a fraternity, you can go ask for funding and
<v Speaker 3>if you spend all of your money, they'll give you
<v Speaker 3>more money the next year. This was a really great
<v Speaker 3>discovery for me, and as as a I've never heard
<v Speaker 3>the story soon to be Yeah, no, I brought it
<v Speaker 3>back and then I was like, and so, I don't
<v Speaker 3>know how I got the info, probably from the Phi
<v Speaker 3>Delta Phi guy, you know, the national chapter, saying now, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>just go ask for some funding from the student services
<v Speaker 3>or whatever. And I went over and asked, and they
<v Speaker 3>gave me money. And so I recruited all of the
<v Speaker 3>new fraternity members at the law school with basically big
<v Speaker 3>sandwich parties that we would have at lunch when everybody
<v Speaker 3>was in between classes. Wow. And so yeah, built the
<v Speaker 3>fraternity back by myself.
<v Speaker 4>I have never known that story before.
<v Speaker 3>I honestly, just as I was thinking as I asked
<v Speaker 3>you the question, I'm like, oh, I've never been a minute.
<v Speaker 3>Oh wait a minute, yeah I have.
<v Speaker 4>But I was the president of the fraternity right.
<v Speaker 3>Right, And it wasn't exactly the same We didn't have
<v Speaker 3>a house. There wasn't beer drinking it was. It was
<v Speaker 3>a much different type of fraternity.
<v Speaker 4>It didn't take swimming lessons and kiddie pools full of beer.
<v Speaker 3>Now, I will say this as an undergrad and a
<v Speaker 3>theater major. I was only a theater major for about
<v Speaker 3>six months before me and about five other guys all
<v Speaker 3>realized that if we just rented a big house, we
<v Speaker 3>would cut our rent payments in half. Right, And so
<v Speaker 3>then we now have six drama guys all in the
<v Speaker 3>same large house. It became the party house of the
<v Speaker 3>department for sure. I didn't see that the Blue House
<v Speaker 3>is what it was called, because well it was blue.
<v Speaker 3>I do have a quick story for you.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was not in a fraternity, but I did
<v Speaker 4>work as a houseboy at a sorority house. Okay, I
<v Speaker 4>was a houseboy at the Tridelt House.
<v Speaker 3>Oh houseboy. And here's the kicker.
<v Speaker 2>They didn't pay me.
<v Speaker 4>I worked for food that's pretty good, and I got
<v Speaker 4>to look at pretty girls.
<v Speaker 3>That's really good. And that's that's the that's it. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>that's it. Tride Old House. Did you know? Did you
<v Speaker 3>know that? Did you know your wife your future wife
<v Speaker 3>at the moment at that point, how does she feel
<v Speaker 3>about that she didn't care a way to go? Yeah, okay, well,
<v Speaker 3>let me let me tell you about another fraternity guy. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>ready for this story? Okay, okay, So I'll tell you
<v Speaker 3>about Ted. Ted was born in nineteen oh four. Okay.
<v Speaker 3>He ended up going to Dartmouth College, where he was
<v Speaker 3>in a fraternity. He was a Sigma Phi epsilon. But
<v Speaker 3>he went to college in the nineteen twenties and as
<v Speaker 3>you know, in the nineteen twenties in the United States,
<v Speaker 3>we had this little thing called prohibition. Well, while he
<v Speaker 3>was there at Dartmouth, he became the editor in chief
<v Speaker 3>of the jack O Lantern magazine that they have there, okay,
<v Speaker 3>which is, you know, touches on our National lampoon story
<v Speaker 3>that we're going to tell a bit later on Animal House.
<v Speaker 3>But he had gotten this, you know, gotten this position,
<v Speaker 3>which was pretty good for a young guy. And he
<v Speaker 3>was in this fraternity. But then he gets caught drinking
<v Speaker 3>gin with nine of his fraternity brothers in his room.
<v Speaker 3>And because of prohibition, obviously it was against the rules
<v Speaker 3>for them to have gin. Sure, and so as a result,
<v Speaker 3>his dean, Dean Craven Laycock insisted, I'm not kidding. That
<v Speaker 3>is his real life. Dean Craven Laycock insisted that he
<v Speaker 3>resign from all of his extracurricular activities, including his job
<v Speaker 3>as editor in chief of this magazine. Now he was
<v Speaker 3>going to he was going to go get his PhD
<v Speaker 3>and become an English professor. So this is a big
<v Speaker 3>hit for him. So what he did was he quit
<v Speaker 3>using his own name and he adopted a pen name. Now,
<v Speaker 3>ultimately he went to Oxford and was pursued doing his PhD.
<v Speaker 3>But his wife looked at how well he drew and
<v Speaker 3>she's like, you need to be an illustrator. You're really
<v Speaker 3>good that you don't need to go be an English professor.
<v Speaker 3>You're so good at what you do. You need to
<v Speaker 3>be an illustrator. And so in nineteen thirty nine he
<v Speaker 3>produced his first book after dropping out of Oxford, produced
<v Speaker 3>his first book and it was pretty well received, and
<v Speaker 3>so then he produces a few more books. World War
<v Speaker 3>Two happens and he does illustrations for the US Department
<v Speaker 3>of the Army, and then he goes back to writing
<v Speaker 3>books again once the war is over, and in nineteen
<v Speaker 3>fifty under this pen name that he used to dodge
<v Speaker 3>the rules. Back when he is at Dartmouth College, he
<v Speaker 3>wrote a book called If I Ran the Zoo. By
<v Speaker 3>the way, the pen name that he used was Seuss,
<v Speaker 3>which when he dropped out of the PhD program, he
<v Speaker 3>added doctor to his zeus. And it's in that book
<v Speaker 3>If I Ran the Zoo that we see the very
<v Speaker 3>first appearance of the word nerd. Oh, excellent, I believe
<v Speaker 3>his name.
<v Speaker 4>His real name was Theodore Geisel.
<v Speaker 3>That is correct. Yes, And then just to show them,
<v Speaker 3>I'll sail to Katrue and bring back an itchcutch, a
<v Speaker 3>preep and a prue, a nirkle, a nerd, and a
<v Speaker 3>cedar sucker too. First appearance of the word nerd comes
<v Speaker 3>from doctor Seuss. It was about a year later that
<v Speaker 3>they used it in a magazine a Washington Post or
<v Speaker 3>New York Times or something like that, where it kind
<v Speaker 3>of had this meaning of a weirdo. And then in
<v Speaker 3>the nineteen seventies it becomes very prevalent, largely due to
<v Speaker 3>a TV show called Happy Days, Happy Days, where they
<v Speaker 3>use the word all the time to refer to the
<v Speaker 3>you know, geeky or smarter members of the cast. Interesting, now,
<v Speaker 3>who else is a part of the cast of Happy Days.
<v Speaker 3>It's sure Ted mcgilney, who is stan Stan the man
<v Speaker 3>in Revenge of the Nurse. Revenge of the Nurse.
<v Speaker 4>How about that? There you go, that's incredible.
<v Speaker 3>Good job, well done, thanks, ma'am. Okay, So we're.
<v Speaker 4>Here today to discuss two movies, Animal House from nineteen
<v Speaker 4>seventy eight and Revenge of the Nerds from nineteen eighty four.
<v Speaker 4>Revenge of the Nerds is hitting its fortieth anniversary this year.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you and I talked. Revenge of the Nerds is
<v Speaker 3>essentially it is a redo of Animal House. It is.
<v Speaker 3>It's a little different group of folks. It's the scumbags
<v Speaker 3>versus the elites, right, just a little different twist on
<v Speaker 3>the on the fraternity story.
<v Speaker 4>The slobs versus the snobs.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, there you go. And then later on we'd have
<v Speaker 3>old school where they would do it again where it
<v Speaker 3>was like guys our age going back to college. Who
<v Speaker 3>were the And then I started thinking about it. Have
<v Speaker 3>you seen pitch Perfect? Pitch Perfect is kind of the
<v Speaker 3>female version of this where instead of it being a fraternity,
<v Speaker 3>it's an a cappella group. But again, it's the Cinderella story,
<v Speaker 3>it's the downcast being triumphant, and if you love Rocky,
<v Speaker 3>that means you gotta love these kind of movies. Definitely
<v Speaker 3>the underdog story for sure, for sure.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, cool, Well, let's talk in revisionist history. Some people
<v Speaker 4>look back on these movies and have problems with certain aspects.
<v Speaker 4>And you came up with this wonderful list of felonies
<v Speaker 4>that could be could you know, you could say we're
<v Speaker 4>committed in these two movies, and I feel like we
<v Speaker 4>need to talk about those right out of the gate.
<v Speaker 3>Well, let me just say that I didn't even I
<v Speaker 3>didn't even go with anim This is just, this is just,
<v Speaker 3>this is all revenge of the Nerds, and I can
<v Speaker 3>say that these crimes are either committed or strongly suggested.
<v Speaker 3>You guys ready, and we're starting with ogre holding the
<v Speaker 3>guy from his ankles. Okay, all right, attempted murder, attempted
<v Speaker 3>statutory rape, taking, clandestine videos, sexual exploitation of a minor,
<v Speaker 3>captured sale, clandestine photos, breaking an entering, sexual battery, theft,
<v Speaker 3>used of chemical weapons, insurance fraud, bestiality, cruelty to animals,
<v Speaker 3>destruction of property, and of course, possession of controlled substances.
<v Speaker 3>Now that last one's probably a misdemeanor, and the breaking
<v Speaker 3>and entering is also probably a misdemeanor. But then if
<v Speaker 3>you consider that they committed felonies after they broke an inner,
<v Speaker 3>that amps it up to a bird one.
<v Speaker 4>That doesn't even consider Mowbray, which didn't make the list.
<v Speaker 3>What is moperry Pury.
<v Speaker 4>Is exposing yourself to a blind person, which they actually
<v Speaker 4>discussed in the movie Mowbray.
<v Speaker 3>Yep, I missed that day a law school. I don't
<v Speaker 3>know what this world is coming to see that man
<v Speaker 3>over there. We arrested him for mowpery. What's Mowbury? Mowbray
<v Speaker 3>is exposing yourself to a blind person.
<v Speaker 4>All right, Well, let's let's dive into animal House first,
<v Speaker 4>because that is the that's the father of Revenge of
<v Speaker 4>the Nerds.
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. So we talked a little bit about this a
<v Speaker 3>couple of different times, because we've talked about John Landis
<v Speaker 3>on several occasions, we've done several of John Landis's movies,
<v Speaker 3>and then also we've talked about Airplane, and we've talked
<v Speaker 3>about Caddyshack, and these stories all kind of overlap, but
<v Speaker 3>really it kind of goes back to these group of
<v Speaker 3>guys who were part of the Harvard Lampoon, which is
<v Speaker 3>a magazine that they had at Harvard. Yes, who then
<v Speaker 3>went out after college and all they really wanted to
<v Speaker 3>do is keep making their magazine, and so they changed
<v Speaker 3>the Harvard Lampoon into the National Lampoon. Yes. So I
<v Speaker 3>want to talk about John Lennce for just a second,
<v Speaker 3>even though we've covered him several times.
<v Speaker 4>We talked about him on the American Werewolf in London
<v Speaker 4>podcast that we did, We talked about him in Beverly
<v Speaker 4>Hills Cop three. Listen to this list of movies that
<v Speaker 4>he has made, and then he hits an absolute crushing wall.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so I find it fascinating.
<v Speaker 4>So he starts off with Schlock, which is kind of
<v Speaker 4>this independent movie that he makes.
<v Speaker 3>It's where he meets Rick Baker for the first time.
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, it's hugely impactful. Then he does Kentucky Fried movie
<v Speaker 4>in nineteen seventy seven. He does Animal House in nineteen
<v Speaker 4>seventy eight, which blows the doors off. He does The
<v Speaker 4>Blues Brothers, which is regarded by some one of the
<v Speaker 4>funniest movies in the nineteen eighties, he does American Werewolf
<v Speaker 4>in London, some regard as the greatest horror comedy movie
<v Speaker 4>of all time. He does Trading Places, which we talked about.
<v Speaker 4>He does twilight Zone, which is on the slate for
<v Speaker 4>this year.
<v Speaker 3>Infamous, Infamous.
<v Speaker 4>He does the Thriller video with Michael Jackson, the greatest
<v Speaker 4>music video of all time, arguably. He does Spies like us.
<v Speaker 4>He does Three Amigos. He does a personal favorite of mine, Amazon,
<v Speaker 4>Women on the Moon. He does Coming to America, which
<v Speaker 4>you said is one of the funniest movies of all time.
<v Speaker 3>Yep. And then he hits a crushing wall. Yeah. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>just for clarification, that wasn't a highlight reel. That was
<v Speaker 3>every movie he directs, right, It's one after another, one
<v Speaker 3>after another. There were no bombs in any of that.
<v Speaker 1>Yes.
<v Speaker 4>Then he does Oscar with Sylvester Stallone, which is mad.
<v Speaker 4>Most people were like, what is this crap?
<v Speaker 3>Right?
<v Speaker 4>He does a movie called Innocent Blood, which I've heard
<v Speaker 4>is good, but I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>I don't think about it. I've never seen it. No,
<v Speaker 3>and then Beverly Hills Cop Three, which we talked about.
<v Speaker 4>It's the absolute worst movie I think that we've covered
<v Speaker 4>to here on this podcast, without question, even including all
<v Speaker 4>the what the heck happy movies we've covered absolutely, and
<v Speaker 4>since then he's done movies like The Stupids.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, just like not much.
<v Speaker 4>It's tragic, it's really really weird.
<v Speaker 3>Had his finger on the pulse and then just everything
<v Speaker 3>went away. I still have confidence in him. I feel
<v Speaker 3>like someday he's making a comeback with that list. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>somebody's got a hiring right at some point.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Okay, So let's talk just basically about the origin
<v Speaker 4>of Animal House.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, So.
<v Speaker 4>It starts with Doug Kenny. Doug Kenny was, like you said,
<v Speaker 4>he was the editor in chief of Lampoo magazine.
<v Speaker 3>Yep.
<v Speaker 4>It's super like white Hot with all the college students.
<v Speaker 4>But he's sick of meeting this deadline all the time
<v Speaker 4>and he's just working under pressure and having to be funny,
<v Speaker 4>and so he's he wants to quit. He's like, like,
<v Speaker 4>I was really successful. I wanted to do this thing,
<v Speaker 4>I did it. Now I want to quit. But his friends,
<v Speaker 4>like this group of guys, they convince him, look, we
<v Speaker 4>need to evolve from the magazine to movies. So Ivan
<v Speaker 4>Rightman is one of his buddies.
<v Speaker 3>If you want a full history on Ivan Rightman, which
<v Speaker 3>is really a fantastic history, by the way, including his
<v Speaker 3>work on Cannibal Girls. Go check out the film by
<v Speaker 3>podcast that we did when we covered Ghostbusters too with
<v Speaker 3>Jeff Johnson. I really was impressed with Ivan Rightman story.
<v Speaker 3>But yes, sorry, please keep going.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So Doug Kenny sits down with Harold Ramis. Harold
<v Speaker 4>Ramis egon from Ghostbusters. He's been in stripes, but he's
<v Speaker 4>a comedy writer and a funny actor. So they sit
<v Speaker 4>down and they're like, Okay, we're gonna write a script.
<v Speaker 4>So they come up with this script called Laser Orgy Girls, right, right, right,
<v Speaker 4>Laser Orgie Girls, And it's about Charles Manson in high school.
<v Speaker 3>M maybe a little bit too taboo, right, maybe just a.
<v Speaker 4>Smith right, And so Ivan Raymen's like, listen, guys, this
<v Speaker 4>is not it right, you can't make this. Solet's let's
<v Speaker 4>take it from high school.
<v Speaker 3>Let's move it to college.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Okay.
<v Speaker 4>So they bring on comedy writer Chris Miller. Okay, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>he had been he had written articles for National Lampoon.
<v Speaker 4>He's a funny guy. He's a good writer. And so
<v Speaker 4>Doug Kenny, Harold Ramis, and Chris Miller sit in a room,
<v Speaker 4>and they're like, Okay, we're gonna write a college movie.
<v Speaker 3>And I thought this was brilliant.
<v Speaker 4>They sat around and for like days, all they did
<v Speaker 4>was spill every single college anecdote they could possibly think.
<v Speaker 3>Of anything that they did which was.
<v Speaker 4>Mildly funny or interesting or humorous in any way, and
<v Speaker 4>they just kind of kept notes. So Chris Miller had
<v Speaker 4>been in a fraternity, and so he brought all of
<v Speaker 4>his fraternity stories. So in Chris Miller's fraternity, there actually
<v Speaker 4>was a guy whose nickname was Otter Nice. There was
<v Speaker 4>a guy whose nickname was Flounder.
<v Speaker 2>Now on.
<v Speaker 1>His name is.
<v Speaker 3>Flounder, okay.
<v Speaker 4>Chris Miller's fraternity name was Pinto all right, Okay, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>it's great.
<v Speaker 3>There was a guy named Bluto.
<v Speaker 4>And the reason why he was Blueto is because he
<v Speaker 4>had muscular arms.
<v Speaker 3>Right, Oh okay, so not because his last name was
<v Speaker 3>blue TASKI that's it. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>So they each decided, okay, well, we're going to turn
<v Speaker 4>this into like Chris Miller's fraternity movie. And after coming
<v Speaker 4>up with all these stories, each one of them wrote
<v Speaker 4>like an act of the screenplay. So one guy was
<v Speaker 4>designated to write Act one. One guy was designated to
<v Speaker 4>write Act two. One guy was designated to write Act three,
<v Speaker 4>and then when they were done, they would pass it
<v Speaker 4>off to the next guy who would rework it, and
<v Speaker 4>then once that was done, then they passed it to
<v Speaker 4>the third guy. So each person worked on each one
<v Speaker 4>of the acts. But it's kind of like a choose
<v Speaker 4>your own adventure type of setup, right.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I thought that was brilliant. That's great.
<v Speaker 4>They just did the best they can. They came up
<v Speaker 4>with what they thought would work.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, nobody wanted it, but Ivan Rightman wanted to direct.
<v Speaker 3>Of course, Harold Ramis wanted to direct, but Ivan Rightman
<v Speaker 3>had only like I think he'd work on a David
<v Speaker 3>Cronenberg movie, right, as like an assistant or something, and
<v Speaker 3>you're not not enough experience, right, And then Harold Ramis
<v Speaker 3>had done nothing at that point. He was pretty Cadyshack.
<v Speaker 3>He was an English teacher and a guy who worked
<v Speaker 3>at a psych word like that, I mean, And he
<v Speaker 3>then wrote articles for Playboy magazine like really, we're not
<v Speaker 3>gonna let you know, We're not gonna let you direct studie. Yeah, no,
<v Speaker 3>you may not. Right well, John Landis had yeah, two movies.
<v Speaker 3>One was his you know, own financed piece of crap.
<v Speaker 3>But the other one was the Kentucky Fried movie that
<v Speaker 3>was essentially like a precursor run at at the Airplane movie,
<v Speaker 3>which are, you know, greatest comedy of the eighties. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>that's right.
<v Speaker 4>So here's the deal. The script lands at Universal. Nobody
<v Speaker 4>gets it, nobody understands it, nobody wants it. In fact,
<v Speaker 4>they're like, why would we cheer for these guys who
<v Speaker 4>are disgusting p I. G.
<v Speaker 3>Piggs.
<v Speaker 4>Right, But there's two guys at Universal, a guy named
<v Speaker 4>Tom Mount and a guy named Sean Daniel, and they're
<v Speaker 4>huge fans of the National Lampoon magazine.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, and here's the interesting thing.
<v Speaker 4>They call Mattie Simmons. Now, Mattie Simmons has been involved
<v Speaker 4>in a lot of these comedy movies.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, Matti Simmons the first person to use a credit card.
<v Speaker 3>Go back to our Christmas Vacation episode to hear that story.
<v Speaker 3>That's incredible. Right.
<v Speaker 4>So Tom Mount and Sean Daniel, like in an unrelated conversation,
<v Speaker 4>they call Mattie Simmons and say, we love National Lampoon Magazine.
<v Speaker 3>If you ever have anything.
<v Speaker 4>That's National Lampoon related that you want to get made
<v Speaker 4>into a movie just and like, before they can even
<v Speaker 4>get it out, Mattie Simmons says, wait, wait, wait, wait,
<v Speaker 4>I've got something.
<v Speaker 3>It's called Animal House. You know you make me won nice.
<v Speaker 4>So when Universal agrees to greenlight this movie, they come
<v Speaker 4>back to Mattie Simmons and they say, all right, listen,
<v Speaker 4>we'll do this movie if you can do it for
<v Speaker 4>three million dollars or less, and so Matty Simmons says,
<v Speaker 4>of course, yeah, absolutely we can. Mattie Simmons says, I
<v Speaker 4>had no idea I had even I didn't even have
<v Speaker 4>a frame of reference. I didn't know whether movies cost
<v Speaker 4>a million, two million, thirty million, fifty million. He's like,
<v Speaker 4>I had no idea that they said three million dollars
<v Speaker 4>and I leapt at it and I said, yes, no problem.
<v Speaker 3>Part of I don't want to step into the casting
<v Speaker 3>part of things too much, but I don't think this
<v Speaker 3>is going to be an issue. But part of the
<v Speaker 3>problem was all of these guys were unknown actors at
<v Speaker 3>the time except for John Belushi, and so what they
<v Speaker 3>needed was someone who was a star to be in
<v Speaker 3>the movie to draw them in. And they thought, well, nobody,
<v Speaker 3>we can't get anybody who can't find anybody. But as
<v Speaker 3>it turned out, John Landis had worked with Donald Sutherland
<v Speaker 3>on Kelly's Heroes. Remember when he went to Europe, It's
<v Speaker 3>where he was inspired to write the story of American
<v Speaker 3>Werewolf in London. That's right. He was working on Kelly's
<v Speaker 3>Heroes and worked with Donald Sutherland. And Donald Sutherland was
<v Speaker 3>nearby making another movie and John and just just basically
<v Speaker 3>called him up and said, hey, I got this part.
<v Speaker 3>He's like, you can shoot it on the weekend. It's
<v Speaker 3>going to be super easy. But we've got to have
<v Speaker 3>somebody who's a name. And I've heard two different stories
<v Speaker 3>on this on what he got paid, but one of
<v Speaker 3>this is the one from Donald Sutherland's mouth. Yes, he
<v Speaker 3>comes in and he's like, okay, I'll just you know,
<v Speaker 3>I'll help these guys out. I'll be in for a
<v Speaker 3>couple of days in and out, and he says, and
<v Speaker 3>so I do things to lighten the mood in this movie,
<v Speaker 3>like doing a scene with my pants off, and then
<v Speaker 3>he left it in the movie like he's already angry,
<v Speaker 3>and and he says, and then when we started talking
<v Speaker 3>about what I was going to get paid, they were
<v Speaker 3>offering me points on it. He said, they offered me
<v Speaker 3>something like six points on this movie. And all I
<v Speaker 3>can think to myself is this movie is not going
<v Speaker 3>to make any money. You guys just need to pay
<v Speaker 3>me the studio standard salary that I get. And that's it.
<v Speaker 3>Worst financial decision I ever made.
<v Speaker 4>Those points would have amassed to about what four or
<v Speaker 4>five million.
<v Speaker 3>Bucks some some amount of millions?
<v Speaker 6>Yessh.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>John Lennis at one point was Keiver Solan's babysitter.
<v Speaker 3>Wow. Right, And so it's kind of a family friend.
<v Speaker 4>Also, John Landis was like childhood friends with Elmer Bernstein's son. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>and so you know, John Landis has got Donald Sutherland
<v Speaker 4>as a friend and Elmer Bernstein as a friend. He
<v Speaker 4>called him up and asked the Elmer Bernstein to score
<v Speaker 4>this movie.
<v Speaker 3>Now, just for those of you who haven't listened to
<v Speaker 3>every single episode that we've had, we talked about this
<v Speaker 3>in year one of the Shirley You Can't Be Serious podcast.
<v Speaker 3>But if you don't know who Elmer Bernstein is, there's
<v Speaker 3>a movie you might have heard of that he composed
<v Speaker 3>the music for, called the Ten Commandments. He was not
<v Speaker 3>he did, I mean, he composed the Great Escape, The
<v Speaker 3>Great Escape, the National geographic music like that's their theme
<v Speaker 3>song was created by him. He was he was in
<v Speaker 3>the class with John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>he was a big guy, but he was producing these
<v Speaker 3>kind of large, epic scores and this is a freaking
<v Speaker 3>college fraternity movie. Well, as it turns out, he's still
<v Speaker 3>composed this kind of epic pomp and circumstance music and
<v Speaker 3>it works so well because it's this weird like You've
<v Speaker 3>got all of this sophistication to your music while these
<v Speaker 3>guys are popping their potatoes out of their mouth, like
<v Speaker 3>is it that's it? Okay? So, in watching Revenge of
<v Speaker 3>the Nerds, you don't have a particularly big director, and
<v Speaker 3>none of the guys who are in it in are
<v Speaker 3>big stars at the time. Obviously, John Goodman goes on
<v Speaker 3>to become a big star, Anthony Edwards goes on to
<v Speaker 3>become a big star, but they weren't doing anything particularly big,
<v Speaker 3>Like Anthony Edwards had done Fast Times, a Ridgema High
<v Speaker 3>at this point and not much else. High School USA. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>and I can't believe you brought up high school.
<v Speaker 4>Hey, listen to the cast of High School USA.
<v Speaker 2>Michael J.
<v Speaker 4>Fox, Dana Plato, Todd Bridges, Crisp and Glover, Anthony Edwards.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, don't forget Gilligan.
<v Speaker 4>The Skipper Beaver Don Wells is in that movie.
<v Speaker 3>It's crazy. Yeah, So anyway, you don't and you don't
<v Speaker 3>have a particularly big name director associated with this movie.
<v Speaker 3>So I'm this and I'm thinking to myself, how did
<v Speaker 3>this movie? Like, how did this movie really get made?
<v Speaker 3>You know? And so I had to go back and
<v Speaker 3>look at who the producers were. So one of the
<v Speaker 3>producers is a guy named Ted Field, and he is
<v Speaker 3>the air and descendant of a guy named Marshall Field,
<v Speaker 3>which may mean nothing to you, but if you were
<v Speaker 3>from Chicago, you probably know that name. By the time
<v Speaker 3>that Ted was born in nineteen fifty three, his dad
<v Speaker 3>owned the Chicago Sun Times, Okay, and so, you know,
<v Speaker 3>not too shabby. His mom and dad ended up getting divorced.
<v Speaker 3>His mom marries another guy. They move up to Anchorage, Alaska,
<v Speaker 3>and that guy buys the the Anchorage Daily News. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>So he's in that class of folks that don't know
<v Speaker 3>what not enough money means, right, right, And so he
<v Speaker 3>goes on to college and he I mean I would
<v Speaker 3>just this life is so interesting. He starts this thing
<v Speaker 3>called Innerscope Racing, where they are doing Formula five thousand racing,
<v Speaker 3>and he is he is having guys enter the Indy
<v Speaker 3>five hundred and they're making engines for these cars using
<v Speaker 3>Portion nine thirty five engines. It's just it's this cool
<v Speaker 3>little thing. And then just in nineteen eighty two, just
<v Speaker 3>a few years later, he just thinks, yeah, Okay, I've
<v Speaker 3>had enough car racing. I think I'm gonna go start
<v Speaker 3>a communications company, which means a film production company. Right,
<v Speaker 3>So in nineteen eighty two he founded Interscope Communications, which
<v Speaker 3>goes on to produce fifty major films. But nineteen eighty four,
<v Speaker 3>their first big success is a movie called Revenge of
<v Speaker 3>the Nerds. All right, very good.
<v Speaker 4>There was an article in an LA magazine titled Revenge
<v Speaker 4>of the Nerds, and it describes computer programmers that had
<v Speaker 4>been working in Silicon Valley and all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 4>these guys are innovative, They're making money. These geeky guys
<v Speaker 4>are now like six usful guys.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, for people who were born after the dot
<v Speaker 3>com bust, you really have no idea the difference in
<v Speaker 3>class that guys who were rejected and made fun of
<v Speaker 3>from when we were kids. Like if it was the
<v Speaker 3>eighties and you got called a nerd, that was the worst.
<v Speaker 3>You didn't want that, you didn't And then all of
<v Speaker 3>the nerds became super rich because computers became a thing.
<v Speaker 3>So you've got Steve Wozniak, total nerd, multi billionaire, Bill
<v Speaker 3>Gates a billionaire, all nerds. And so yeah, this this
<v Speaker 3>unique little story that just I mean, nineteen eighty four
<v Speaker 3>hits at the perfect time where the nerd class is growing.
<v Speaker 3>They feel the bullying power that is that is upon them,
<v Speaker 3>and this is their this is their revenge moment, This
<v Speaker 3>is their Cinderella moment. This is there, these are their
<v Speaker 3>rocky and you know, you.
<v Speaker 4>Think about it, in nineteen eighty four, that's still like
<v Speaker 4>really pretty early in the computer phenomenon, right, right, you
<v Speaker 4>watch this movie. They're operating computers with no mouse, right,
<v Speaker 4>you know, right, And so computers are a new thing.
<v Speaker 4>The people who have the knowledge to operate them, it's
<v Speaker 4>kind of a new talent, a new skill. Yeah, so
<v Speaker 4>it's not like everyday America where everybody knows how to
<v Speaker 4>operate a computer.
<v Speaker 3>Right, well, and we didn't really talk about it with
<v Speaker 3>Animal House, but there was a little trouble once they
<v Speaker 3>had gotten the funding for this, there's a little trouble
<v Speaker 3>getting a college to agree to allow them onto the
<v Speaker 3>campus to produce. And so Animal House I believe was
<v Speaker 3>produced at the University of Oregon. Is a University of Oregon,
<v Speaker 3>that's right, And I think the I think they had
<v Speaker 3>been rejected by most every other university, but the University
<v Speaker 3>of Oregon had also rejected the graduate that's it.
<v Speaker 4>And because I'm not sure it was the University of Oregon,
<v Speaker 4>it was one of the people who worked at the
<v Speaker 4>University of Oregon. Oh, Okay, I think it was at
<v Speaker 4>a different college. Okay, I may be wrong on that.
<v Speaker 3>Well, whoever it was, they said, listen, this was a
<v Speaker 3>bad call the last time we did this back in
<v Speaker 3>nineteen sixty eight, ten years later, let's make the right
<v Speaker 3>call and let these guys do it now. Of course,
<v Speaker 3>they weren't too happy with how things were going. Basically,
<v Speaker 3>these actors came in and some of them are older
<v Speaker 3>than college kids, but they're pretty close, right. They are
<v Speaker 3>unlike Revenge of the Nerds, but where the guys are
<v Speaker 3>thirty but Anyway, they come in and they start partying
<v Speaker 3>with a lot of these college kids, and at some
<v Speaker 3>point there's a literal fight that breaks out between the
<v Speaker 3>fraternity members and the guys play the actors playing the
<v Speaker 3>fraternity members. That is a full on buckle face brawl.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, this is a great story. I don't want to
<v Speaker 4>skip over this. So Tim Matheson who played Arter, you know,
<v Speaker 4>Peter Raggert who plays Boone, Karen Allen who plays Katie,
<v Speaker 4>she's there. The guy who plays Hoover, he's there, the
<v Speaker 4>guy who plays d Day. They're all at this party
<v Speaker 4>and Tim Matheson is like hitting on all these guys girlfriends.
<v Speaker 4>He's being Arter at this party, and he starts to
<v Speaker 4>realize that his charm and his smile is not really
<v Speaker 4>working with these fraternity guys. And there starts to be
<v Speaker 4>kind of a heaviness in the room, and he goes
<v Speaker 4>over to Peter Raggert, who plays Boone, and he's like,
<v Speaker 4>hey man, I'm kind of getting a vibe here. I
<v Speaker 4>don't think we're really welcome, even though we're invited.
<v Speaker 3>I don't think people want us here.
<v Speaker 4>They're not digging the Hollywood thing. And meantime, the guy
<v Speaker 4>who played Hoover, his name is James Whitos. He's downstairs
<v Speaker 4>and like a guy is holding up his hand not
<v Speaker 4>letting him in, and he's like, I'm in the cast.
<v Speaker 4>I've been invited to this party. You need to let
<v Speaker 4>me in. The guy's like, no, you're not coming in it.
<v Speaker 4>And the guy who plays d Day his name is
<v Speaker 4>Bruce McGill. He's been in a lot of stuff. He's
<v Speaker 4>there and as they're leaving, like they're like, okay, we're
<v Speaker 4>out of here. It's one of those deals where the
<v Speaker 4>bouncer says get lost, and so Hoover at the last
<v Speaker 4>second pops his cup of beer in his face and
<v Speaker 4>in that instant, three hundred fraternity guys turn on these
<v Speaker 4>actors and start beating the crap out of them. Matheson's
<v Speaker 4>just getting pounded, Karen Allen screaming her head off to.
<v Speaker 3>Leave them alone, oh, I guess.
<v Speaker 4>And so finally they managed to kind of get away,
<v Speaker 4>and they're trying to do the cool thing and like
<v Speaker 4>walk away, Like Bruce McGill is like, we were trying
<v Speaker 4>to be like Studley, leave with our dignity, walk away.
<v Speaker 4>He turned and he's like, guys, I don't think walking
<v Speaker 4>away is going to work. And Tim Mathison's like, you're right,
<v Speaker 4>let's run. And they had to take off running.
<v Speaker 3>From this fraternity party.
<v Speaker 4>And every time I think about that, I'm like, I
<v Speaker 4>wonder what these guys thought when they finally saw the movie.
<v Speaker 3>You know, right, so on the Revenge of the Nerd
<v Speaker 3>side of things, mister Robert Carrodine, brother to Keith and
<v Speaker 3>David Kardine. That blows my mind. He decided to do
<v Speaker 3>something really unique.
<v Speaker 1>Now.
<v Speaker 3>They filmed all of Revenge of the Nerds at the
<v Speaker 3>University of Arizona in Tucson. Well, he enrolled before the
<v Speaker 3>filming started. He enrolled in classes, and he wore his
<v Speaker 3>nerd gear. He wore the button the shirt buttoned all
<v Speaker 3>the way up, the pocket protector, the hair that was
<v Speaker 3>sticking up in the back like alfalfa, and the nerd glasses,
<v Speaker 3>and just to get a vibe of what it was
<v Speaker 3>like to be a nerd on college campus, thinking okay,
<v Speaker 3>well this is an acting exercise. Well that's great. It
<v Speaker 3>was so impactful that after it happened, he sat in
<v Speaker 3>his hotel room for three days getting over it. The
<v Speaker 3>abuse or the real whatever he went through was something
<v Speaker 3>that was so significant that he did not want to
<v Speaker 3>be around other human beings for three days. Wow.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's interesting. Well, so here's another story for you.
<v Speaker 4>So the University of Arizona agrees to let them film
<v Speaker 4>Revenge of the Nerds on their campus. Yeah, and then
<v Speaker 4>two weeks later the university administrators say, no, we changed
<v Speaker 4>their minds.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they had gotten approval from Bill Varney, the assistant
<v Speaker 3>vice president for administrative Services. But then yeah, two weeks
<v Speaker 3>later the administrators said, nope, we're pulling that permission. And
<v Speaker 3>that's I mean, that's a crappy thing to do. We've
<v Speaker 3>you've for the last two weeks, we've been like prepping
<v Speaker 3>and filming and doing stuff.
<v Speaker 4>Come on, guys, And so Alan Bigel, who's the vice
<v Speaker 4>president of university Relations, he says, there is nothing you
<v Speaker 4>can do or say that will make us change our minds.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. They were worried that it was portraying campus life
<v Speaker 3>in a way that was not representative of the real
<v Speaker 3>college life. Right, of course, Yes, it's worse in real
<v Speaker 3>college it's worse. Right, we would have gotten an X
<v Speaker 3>rating had we shown what happens in real fraternities and sororities.
<v Speaker 3>That's right.
<v Speaker 4>After some negotiations, the university allowed filming on campus as
<v Speaker 4>long as the producers tried to schedule the film shooing
<v Speaker 4>so it did not affect campus activities.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it basically came down to Jeff Canoe, the director
<v Speaker 3>of the movie. He went to this guy that you said,
<v Speaker 3>there's no way we're going to change your mind. He
<v Speaker 3>went to him directly and said, listen, I have a child,
<v Speaker 3>and I am not going to direct a movie that
<v Speaker 3>I would not let my child watch. That's interesting, which
<v Speaker 3>makes me question his parenting given how many felonies we
<v Speaker 3>have in this movie.
<v Speaker 4>Well, but here's the thing that's interesting, based on what
<v Speaker 4>he said to get the directing job.
<v Speaker 3>Right. So, when Jeff Canoe, who is the director of
<v Speaker 3>this movie, was interviewed by producers, they said to him,
<v Speaker 3>what kind of movie do you think you're going to make,
<v Speaker 3>and he said one I would be embarrassed to have
<v Speaker 3>my name on and they said, you're the right man
<v Speaker 3>for the job. Gosh, that's great.
<v Speaker 4>By the way, most of this movie was shot in
<v Speaker 4>January of nineteen eighty four, which is why there are
<v Speaker 4>not as many students on campus and they can kind
<v Speaker 4>of work around it that way, all right, be ready
<v Speaker 4>to get into the cast.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's talk about casting.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, we want to flip back to Animal House.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you guys up for a toga party?
<v Speaker 3>Ta na taa. I think they liked the idea.
<v Speaker 4>Who All right, So when they're casting for Animal House,
<v Speaker 4>keep in mind they have three million dollars to make
<v Speaker 4>this entire MOVIEEP Okay, they can't hire anybody expensive nobody, right.
<v Speaker 4>We talked about how Smoking the bandit. They hired Burt
<v Speaker 4>Reynolds and he took up two thirds of the budget.
<v Speaker 3>They can't do that. So the big name that they
<v Speaker 3>get is John Belushi.
<v Speaker 4>See if you can guess what I am now?
<v Speaker 3>Amzi it? Get it? They paid him forty thousand dollars
<v Speaker 3>to do Animal House. Wow, forty thousand that's crazy. Here's
<v Speaker 3>the kicker too.
<v Speaker 4>They wanted chevy Chase to play Otter, who if you
<v Speaker 4>look at it, chevy Chase would be great as Honor.
<v Speaker 4>He's tall, he's good looking, he's a leader, he's got charisma,
<v Speaker 4>he's everything that Otter would be. But John Landis didn't
<v Speaker 4>want chevy Chase. And think about how hot chevy Chase
<v Speaker 4>was in nineteen seventy eight. Okay, he was on the
<v Speaker 4>cusp of becoming a major movie star. John Landis didn't
<v Speaker 4>want chevy Chase as Otter. He wanted an actor to
<v Speaker 4>portray the character of Otter. Okay, right, So chevy comes in,
<v Speaker 4>he takes over. He of course is I'm chevy Chase
<v Speaker 4>and you're not, which kind of fits the out of character.
<v Speaker 4>But he didn't want that. He wanted an unknown actor
<v Speaker 4>to play Honer. So John Landis hires Tim Matheson. Of course,
<v Speaker 4>chevy Chase and Tim Matheson are connected from the movie
<v Speaker 4>Flech Fletch. Right, But here's the way he talked chevy
<v Speaker 4>Chase out of becoming Otter for Animal House.
<v Speaker 3>I thought this was brilliant.
<v Speaker 4>So John Landis goes to chevy Chase, and of course
<v Speaker 4>John Landison and chevy Chase are friends. They've worked together
<v Speaker 4>in spies like Us and Three Amegos. So John Landis
<v Speaker 4>goes to chevy Chase, and chevy Chase had on the
<v Speaker 4>table he had foul Play with Goldie han And and
<v Speaker 4>Animal House. And John Landis says, listen, you really want
<v Speaker 4>to do this movie Animal House, I'll tell you it
<v Speaker 4>is an ensemble movie. So it's a lot like Saturday
<v Speaker 4>Night Live. So nobody really gets this spotlight. Everybody has
<v Speaker 4>their own character development. It's a total team effort, and
<v Speaker 4>that's what you're used to ensemble. So you know, that's
<v Speaker 4>why you want to do our movie because it's not
<v Speaker 4>really a star treatment type of thing. If you do
<v Speaker 4>this movie foul play, you're gonna be a carry grant
<v Speaker 4>movie star with Goldie Han and you don't really want
<v Speaker 4>that manipulation at its.
<v Speaker 3>Finest, right there, total right, subtle. Right.
<v Speaker 4>So Tim Matheson is an unknown actor.
<v Speaker 3>He's hired to be arter.
<v Speaker 7>Don't tell me you're gonna pork, Marlene Desmond.
<v Speaker 1>Pork gonna hump her brains out, aren't you?
<v Speaker 2>Boom?
<v Speaker 7>I anticipate a deeply religious experience.
<v Speaker 3>It's great, okay, Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Now then Thomas holtse they bring him in to play Penzol.
<v Speaker 4>Tom Holst goes on to be Amadaeus.
<v Speaker 3>He's also in Parenthood. Yeah, he's the he is the
<v Speaker 3>drug adult reject brother in Parenthood, which by that time
<v Speaker 3>in his life was a really true to life part
<v Speaker 3>for him. Is that right? Yeah, he went off the
<v Speaker 3>rails pretty hard. He Yeah, he got heavily involved in
<v Speaker 3>drugs and alcohol and just had a hard time interesting,
<v Speaker 3>which is crazy. You know, you watch almadeas his performance
<v Speaker 3>in that is spectacular, Like he makes the movie. He
<v Speaker 3>absolutely makes the movie. You know. It's just kind of
<v Speaker 3>sad to see that those things can impact your life
<v Speaker 3>that way and rob you of your talents. Yeah. Unfortunately
<v Speaker 3>I sent you a picture of him today he is
<v Speaker 3>not recognizable as the same guy. Well, I mean it
<v Speaker 3>was thirty six years ago, so you know, but still okay.
<v Speaker 4>They hire an actor named Peter Reigert to play Boone. Now,
<v Speaker 4>the Boone character was meant for Bill Murray.
<v Speaker 3>Can you imagine that that Chevy Chase and Bill Murray
<v Speaker 3>playing those two parts together, given the history of them
<v Speaker 3>fighting a fist fight each other on the set of
<v Speaker 3>Side n Now, Yes, yeah, can.
<v Speaker 4>You imagine a movie with Chevy Chase, Bill Murray and
<v Speaker 4>John Belushi?
<v Speaker 3>No, I would never would never, It would never have
<v Speaker 3>gotten finished, right, they would have all burned to the ground.
<v Speaker 4>That's exactly right.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Dan Aykroyd too, dan ackroy was supposed to be
<v Speaker 3>D Day. I mean, what a different movie that would
<v Speaker 3>have been. And I don't if it had gotten made,
<v Speaker 3>maybe it would have been spectacular. I don't know, but wow.
<v Speaker 3>I mean you basically have all of the Saturday Night
<v Speaker 3>Live cast playing a bunch of frat guys.
<v Speaker 4>Sure, d Day was played by Bruce McGill. He's been
<v Speaker 4>in Wildcats. He's the opposing coach Wildcats. He's been he
<v Speaker 4>was in one of the Miami Vice episodes. He's a
<v Speaker 4>good actor, but it's interesting to think dan.
<v Speaker 3>Aykroyd in that part.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, you have Stephen First who plays flounder. Okay,
<v Speaker 4>you know how he got the job. Stephen First was
<v Speaker 4>a pizza delivery guy in Hollywood who had aspirations of
<v Speaker 4>being an actor, and so he knew that he would
<v Speaker 4>be delivering pizzas to Universal Studios, and so inside the
<v Speaker 4>pizza boxes he would post like his head shot inside
<v Speaker 4>the cardboard box of the pizzas.
<v Speaker 3>If you're not remembering, he's the one that when they
<v Speaker 3>put his picture up as a pledge, everybody started throwing
<v Speaker 3>beer cans at because he's not really a great looking guy, right,
<v Speaker 3>but he thought his head shot inside of a pizza
<v Speaker 3>box would get him a job.
<v Speaker 4>Somebody noticed him from his pizza box and invited him
<v Speaker 4>to audition. Right, It's great that role came down between
<v Speaker 4>him and Meatloaf.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's interesting. Meetloaf would play that part later on,
<v Speaker 3>you know, twenty years later in Bike Club.
<v Speaker 4>That's right, same part. And then Karen Allen goes on
<v Speaker 4>to do Raiders of Lost Ark. Of course she got
<v Speaker 4>Raiders from this movie. Steven Spielberg loved her character and
<v Speaker 4>she looks so young and pretty and innocent and nice
<v Speaker 4>and sweet. Gets involved in a little love triangle with
<v Speaker 4>the Donald Sutherland and Boone. So let's talk about the
<v Speaker 4>Omega House. So you've got James Dowton, who played Greg Mamillard.
<v Speaker 4>He's basically the stand equivalent in Animal House, right Greg
<v Speaker 4>Is this supposed to be this song? He had been
<v Speaker 4>in Planet of the Apes, he's been in v This
<v Speaker 4>blew me away because I've never really even recognized him.
<v Speaker 4>But he plays a Russian agent and spies like Us,
<v Speaker 4>which is of course.
<v Speaker 3>Directed by John Landis. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Mart Metcalf plays Niedermeyer.
<v Speaker 2>You're all worthless and week drop and give me twitty.
<v Speaker 4>You've got a pledge pin on your uniform, which he
<v Speaker 4>then of course takes to twisted sister.
<v Speaker 3>That's exactly what is that? You have a twisted sister
<v Speaker 3>pen on your uniform, You're a fat disgrace.
<v Speaker 4>He goes on two star in One Crazy Summer, who
<v Speaker 4>basically plays the same a whole character in both movies. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>you have a nineteen year old Kevin Bacon who plays Chip.
<v Speaker 3>In this movie. Thank you, sir, I have another.
<v Speaker 4>Which I've got a great story. Don' let me forget
<v Speaker 4>to tell you the story. At the end when they
<v Speaker 4>go to the premiere, he's in the cast. He's one
<v Speaker 4>of the main characters and the bad guy in the
<v Speaker 4>Omega House. His ticket doesn't say he gets to sit
<v Speaker 4>with the cast, so he had to sit like in
<v Speaker 4>the back row with all the other and he was
<v Speaker 4>trying to tell everybody, no, I am in the movie.
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, whatever, kid.
<v Speaker 4>Then you got Mary Louise Weller who plays Mandy. Her
<v Speaker 4>biggest credits are bj and the Bear in Fantasy Island.
<v Speaker 4>After this, then you have Martha Smith who plays Babs.
<v Speaker 4>And you have of course John Vernon, who plays Dean.
<v Speaker 3>Warmer, Fat, drunk and stupid. There's no way to go
<v Speaker 3>through life soon. His work and his lines in this
<v Speaker 3>movie may upon the reviewing, may be the funniest part
<v Speaker 3>of this movie. He is absolutely hysterical. That opening scene
<v Speaker 3>sells the movie. Yes, it's it's too good. Dean Warmer
<v Speaker 3>who I mean a couple of years earlier, he was
<v Speaker 3>in you know, the Outlaw Josie Wales as the guy
<v Speaker 3>who is like the competitor for Josie Wales. You know
<v Speaker 3>he was.
<v Speaker 4>Hired from his performance in outlowd Josie Wells.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because he's such a badass.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's a no nonsense, tough guy.
<v Speaker 3>It's perfect. And I love when.
<v Speaker 4>Hoover's trying to make their case at the fraternity probationary hearing.
<v Speaker 4>He's like, excuse me, sir, I'd like to be heard.
<v Speaker 3>That's not very fair.
<v Speaker 4>He's like, you sit down and shut it. But the
<v Speaker 4>one cast member I really want to talk to you about.
<v Speaker 4>It's kind of an urban legend. Sarah Holcombe plays Clarette
<v Speaker 4>de Pasto. She plays the thirteen year old daughter of
<v Speaker 4>the mayor. Oh yeah, Pinto takes to the fraternity party.
<v Speaker 4>He doesn't realize she's thirteen, and she gets you know,
<v Speaker 4>she passes out, and you got the angel and the
<v Speaker 4>devil on his shoulder, which we'll talk about later. She's
<v Speaker 4>played by Sarah Hulcomb. If you don't recognize her. She
<v Speaker 4>plays Maggie and Caddyshack.
<v Speaker 3>Thanks for nuting. Oh god, that's all I need. By
<v Speaker 3>the way, not a real Irish accent, in case you're wondering,
<v Speaker 3>that's right. So yeah, tell us the story. So here's
<v Speaker 3>the deal.
<v Speaker 4>She has four credits to her name. One isn't caddy Shack,
<v Speaker 4>one is an Animal House. I don't care what the
<v Speaker 4>other two are. Those are two home runs. She's playing
<v Speaker 4>hilarious characters. She should have had this huge movie career.
<v Speaker 3>The question is, well, what happened to her?
<v Speaker 4>And we talked about this in our Cadishack episode, But
<v Speaker 4>basically she got roped into drinking and drugs and struggled
<v Speaker 4>with mental health issues, including schizophrenia and some other serious
<v Speaker 4>mental health issues.
<v Speaker 3>She has gone underground, like we have no idea where
<v Speaker 3>she is anymore.
<v Speaker 4>People who want to do follow ups, you know, for
<v Speaker 4>like the fortieth anniversary or forty fifth anniversary of Alama House,
<v Speaker 4>you know, they reach out to her, like her brother
<v Speaker 4>is like the point of contact. And I watched an
<v Speaker 4>interview like we reached out. We really wanted to talk
<v Speaker 4>to Sarah Hulcombe and her brother said she was honored
<v Speaker 4>to be included in that movie. Thanks for asking, no thanks,
<v Speaker 4>And so she's like this Hollywood legend where just she vanished.
<v Speaker 3>There you go, Sarah Holcomb tragic. Yep, Okay, we want
<v Speaker 3>to talk about the cast of Revenge of the Nerds. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>let's do it. Okay, okay, gosh, you're going to show
<v Speaker 3>me your guards two and four kings. That's good? Yes, no, no,
<v Speaker 3>you got too many kings. Oh, Shane got to get
<v Speaker 3>rid of these.
<v Speaker 7>Well, I'll take three of these kings out and will
<v Speaker 7>replace them with pretty fresh card.
<v Speaker 3>Oh.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, you've got Robert Carodine who plays Lewis.
<v Speaker 3>Robert, as I mentioned, brother of Keith, maybe half brother
<v Speaker 3>of Keith and full brother of David Carodeine. Right, So two,
<v Speaker 3>if you're thinking of these three brothers together, one of
<v Speaker 3>them plays a significantly different type of character than the
<v Speaker 3>other two. The other two are kind of badasses, and
<v Speaker 3>then you have Robert playing the nerd r. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 3>I sent you a picture. I was like, you remember
<v Speaker 3>talking about John Carodine, the father of these three guys,
<v Speaker 3>And you're like I'm I'm like, okay, here we go,
<v Speaker 3>here's some hints. And I was like, movie directed by
<v Speaker 3>Joe Dante and you were like Grimlins and I'm like now,
<v Speaker 3>and then I believe the second hint was his character's
<v Speaker 3>name was Earl Kenton, which was a horror film director name,
<v Speaker 3>like all of the other characters in this movie. And
<v Speaker 3>you're like, ah, the howling, the hell yep, the howling.
<v Speaker 3>That's interesting. So yeah, John Carrodine had been a guy
<v Speaker 3>who had been in a bunch of monster movies, like
<v Speaker 3>he was. He was in those movies that like the
<v Speaker 3>Lown Cheney Junior movies and the Bell of the GHOSTI movies.
<v Speaker 3>It's actually a fantastic picture of those three guys, like
<v Speaker 3>diving in to eat somebody's head in some movie, you know.
<v Speaker 3>And but his favorite credit, I love this, This is
<v Speaker 3>obviously not in the heyday of his career. That was
<v Speaker 3>a movie called Billy the Kid Versus Dracula. He was Dracula.
<v Speaker 3>Oh nice, Yeah, nice.
<v Speaker 4>I did listen to Robert Cardine talk about his start
<v Speaker 4>in Hollywood.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was in a John Wayne movie, The Cowboys.
<v Speaker 3>Is that what it was?
<v Speaker 4>In a John Wayne movie called The Cowboys? Yeah, And
<v Speaker 4>he was sharing a scene with the duke right right,
<v Speaker 4>and he noticed that he didn't really like the way
<v Speaker 4>that John Wayne was pronouncing his words. And so this
<v Speaker 4>young guy.
<v Speaker 3>He's a kid, he's twenty if. Yeah, they were all young,
<v Speaker 3>they were young kids in that movie. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>So he says, he says, he corrected John Wayne and
<v Speaker 4>he said something like I think you ought to say
<v Speaker 4>it like this, and John Wayne says, we don't think, son,
<v Speaker 4>we act. He said, the Duke put me in my place.
<v Speaker 4>And I just thought that was a great story.
<v Speaker 3>That is a great story. That's fantastic.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, second, Billy, you got Anthony Edwards.
<v Speaker 3>Goose talk to me, Goose, talk to me.
<v Speaker 7>Goose.
<v Speaker 3>Gilbert and Goose are the same actor. It's crazy.
<v Speaker 7>I'm a nerd, and uh, I'm pretty proud of it.
<v Speaker 3>And then he goes on to be a heart throb
<v Speaker 3>in er with George Clooney.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah he does.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so he didn't want to play this role. I
<v Speaker 3>have to tell this story. When I said something about
<v Speaker 3>Anthony Edwards, you were with me and my daughter, my
<v Speaker 3>twelve year old daughter, and my daughter's like the basketball
<v Speaker 3>player and you're like the who, No, we're talking about
<v Speaker 3>the actor. There's not a basketball player. She's like yeah,
<v Speaker 3>And then there's a and by golly, you looked him
<v Speaker 3>up and you're like, I am a fool. He is, like,
<v Speaker 3>what top scorer in the Olympics Right now.
<v Speaker 4>He's on the Dream Team. He's killing it. He had
<v Speaker 4>twenty six the other night.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, your daughter schooled me in sports. I can't believe
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know who. That was great. It was great.
<v Speaker 4>So Anthony Edwards had been in a movie called Gotcha,
<v Speaker 4>who was directed by Scott Canoe. Okay, yeah, and so
<v Speaker 4>I think that's kind of how he landed this role. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>I heard him talking. He's got At the time of
<v Speaker 4>the interview, he has like four kids between ages of
<v Speaker 4>fifteen and seven. And the interview guy says, have you
<v Speaker 4>shown your fifteen.
<v Speaker 3>Year old Revenge of the Nerds yet?
<v Speaker 4>And he says, no, he hasn't seen it. He goes,
<v Speaker 4>I know he's heard of it. I know he knows
<v Speaker 4>I'm in it. He goes, but I don't want to
<v Speaker 4>erase any ounce of respect I may have left in
<v Speaker 4>the bank with him by showing him how nerdy I
<v Speaker 4>was as a as an actor.
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, and he really was the one who stayed
<v Speaker 3>truly a nerd throughout this whole thing. He was the
<v Speaker 3>guy who didn't change, He didn't hook up. As far
<v Speaker 3>as I could tell, he didn't get violent. He was
<v Speaker 3>just he was trying to do the right thing throughout.
<v Speaker 3>He really was. Even though even though Robert Chardine kind
<v Speaker 3>of took over because he was so nerdy as the
<v Speaker 3>kind of star of this, Anthony Edwards was the true storyline.
<v Speaker 3>Starts with him in bed, worried about going to school,
<v Speaker 3>being scared to leave his mom. You know, yeah, not
<v Speaker 3>because he's scared for himself, but he's just worried about
<v Speaker 3>leaving her. So sweet, he's a sweet kid. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Now I would make the case that he does end
<v Speaker 4>up with Judy.
<v Speaker 3>Who's Michelle meinrink? Name is Judy. Judy's a nice name, Gilbert. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>she's a nice girl.
<v Speaker 2>A big deal.
<v Speaker 3>Did you get in her pants? She's not that kind
<v Speaker 3>of a girl, booger.
<v Speaker 4>Why does she have a Penis who we've talked about before.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's in Real Genius, which we haven't talked to
<v Speaker 3>you at place, Jordan and Real Genius, which I had
<v Speaker 3>a total crush on her. She was awesome. I loved her.
<v Speaker 3>But she was also in the Outsider. She's in the Outsider.
<v Speaker 4>She's the girl sitting next to Cherry Valance at the
<v Speaker 4>drive through when Dally comes up and starts bugging them.
<v Speaker 3>There's another actress that I'm surprised didn't do more. She
<v Speaker 3>was in I mean, you got The Outsiders, you've got
<v Speaker 3>Real Genius, You've got Revenge of the Nerds. And she's
<v Speaker 3>a major part in all of these movies and she's
<v Speaker 3>very engaging. I'm just I wonder why she didn't do more.
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I'm not sure. Let's talk about mister
<v Speaker 4>Ted McGinley. Okay, so he plays Stan in this movie.
<v Speaker 4>He's the head Alpha Beta.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, he is the guy from Happy Days.
<v Speaker 4>He was in Happy Days, he was in Married with Children.
<v Speaker 3>Now.
<v Speaker 4>Jeff Canoe saw Ted McGinley on the cover of the
<v Speaker 4>Men of usc calendar calendar.
<v Speaker 3>He was a calendar boy. He's a pinup boy. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>that's great.
<v Speaker 4>Decided that he would be perfect to be the head
<v Speaker 4>guy of the Alphabeta fraternity. And I will tell you
<v Speaker 4>this as a former athlete myself. When he throws javelin,
<v Speaker 4>that guy's jock. You can tell he's a jock.
<v Speaker 3>Okay. I saw that part and to myself, I said, okay,
<v Speaker 3>they picked this part of the competition to show him
<v Speaker 3>doing something that he could really do, because, as I
<v Speaker 3>mentioned to you, when you when they are in the
<v Speaker 3>weight room and I'm watching the weightlifting that he's doing,
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, what in the holy heck what is that?
<v Speaker 2>Right?
<v Speaker 3>Like he's spinning, like he's got the weights in his hands,
<v Speaker 3>spinning his arms around in this weird sort of I
<v Speaker 3>was just like, that is not an exercise anybody should
<v Speaker 3>ever do in their lives if they want to have,
<v Speaker 3>you know, no injuries. That's just it's awful. It's awful
<v Speaker 3>to see it see it happen. But yes, I could
<v Speaker 3>tell that he had had some experience with the javelin.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, Julie Montgomery plays Betty Child's naked.
<v Speaker 3>She'd been in One Life to Live. You know, she
<v Speaker 3>doesn't really do a whole lot. She's just the cutie
<v Speaker 3>that kind of carries this the love interest line on
<v Speaker 3>the Babe. Yeah. Now, Timothy Bussfield, he plays Poindexter. Fantastic part. Like, okay,
<v Speaker 3>so Timothy Bussfield again, nobody at that point. He goes
<v Speaker 3>on to be one of the main guys in Thirty Somethings. Yep,
<v Speaker 3>he was in field of dreams. He was a major
<v Speaker 3>guy in West Wind. I mean he's he's a major player.
<v Speaker 3>He becomes a major player after this. And he's not
<v Speaker 3>really nerdy in those things, like he's just kind of
<v Speaker 3>the regular redheaded guy. But this part was very much
<v Speaker 3>a side character. And that's an interesting there's I'm this
<v Speaker 3>is gonna be a similar story. I'm gonna tell to
<v Speaker 3>another guy you're gonna talk about here in a second.
<v Speaker 3>But the actors before they come in to do their read,
<v Speaker 3>they're like, man, I really don't know. This character doesn't
<v Speaker 3>have much and so he brought his own story to it,
<v Speaker 3>Like he he put his hair in that weird party
<v Speaker 3>to the side the thing. He went to a thrift
<v Speaker 3>shop and bought the suit that he wears throughout the movie,
<v Speaker 3>and he liked I don't I think the character had
<v Speaker 3>one line in the whole movie. But he is a
<v Speaker 3>key Poindexter is a key ingredient, especially when it comes
<v Speaker 3>to the final music competition and he's the guy playing
<v Speaker 3>the electric feddle. You know, you're right.
<v Speaker 4>He doesn't say very much, but he does things like
<v Speaker 4>he bumps into a wall and you know he can't see,
<v Speaker 4>so he's kind of a mister McGoo type of character,
<v Speaker 4>and he says, excuse me, and then when they're watching
<v Speaker 4>the illegal videos of the sorority house, he's like, ah,
<v Speaker 4>and he looks looks, you know, he improvised that. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>I can't describe what actually happens there.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, yes, well and he dances and he dance
<v Speaker 3>and then the dancing is fantastic, right, it's it is
<v Speaker 3>the perfect combination of nerd and I'm getting my groove on. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>let's talk about mister Curtis Armstrong for a second. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>dowthan Dudley, call me Booger. That's the other story. Just
<v Speaker 3>like Timothy Bussfield, Booger was a character that had really
<v Speaker 3>no major part in this movie. That's right. And Curtis
<v Speaker 3>Armstrong did even more. He did even more than Timothy
<v Speaker 3>Bussfield it.
<v Speaker 4>He said, I really wrestled with him for a long
<v Speaker 4>time because I don't like being disgusting myself, and so
<v Speaker 4>I just had to convince myself that this was a
<v Speaker 4>acting challenge that I needed to tackle.
<v Speaker 3>He said.
<v Speaker 4>Turned out to be a top three acting experience for me.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he's he's just come off of ski business.
<v Speaker 3>He was Tom's best friend. Yeah, he's the sometimes you
<v Speaker 3>just got to say what the And then he of
<v Speaker 3>course goes on to be in one of our favorite
<v Speaker 3>TV shows, Lighting Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's the top
<v Speaker 3>three right there, right Viola Yeah, and he's yeah. He
<v Speaker 3>said that a lot of the lines that he had
<v Speaker 3>in this movie were improved lines, but by doing that,
<v Speaker 3>it becomes some of the best lines in the movie.
<v Speaker 3>Like Booger is arguably one of the best characters in
<v Speaker 3>the whole movie, and it really is because of Curtis
<v Speaker 3>taking that acting challenge.
<v Speaker 4>I was listening to an interview with him, and he
<v Speaker 4>was making the case that he is not a nerd.
<v Speaker 4>He's an outsider for sure. Yeah, but he's not a nerd.
<v Speaker 4>But because he was kicked out of the freshman dorms,
<v Speaker 4>he has been forged with these guys and so he
<v Speaker 4>is now a adopted member of the nerds. Yeah, all right,
<v Speaker 4>let's talk about Larry B.
<v Speaker 3>Scott, same kind of scenario. Not actually a nerd, but
<v Speaker 3>definitely an outsider.
<v Speaker 4>Yes, he came to the audition with glitter in his hair,
<v Speaker 4>the handkerchief around his neck, and the producers could not
<v Speaker 4>stop laughing at him, and so they hired him right
<v Speaker 4>on the spot. He actually is one of the guys
<v Speaker 4>in Cobra Kai who gets beat up by Danielson in
<v Speaker 4>the Karate Kid.
<v Speaker 3>Most people do not remember that. It's crazy. Yep.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, a couple more guys I want to talk about.
<v Speaker 4>You got Brian Tauchi, who plays Toshiro, who Booger's teaching
<v Speaker 4>to play cards. Yes, I have a two and four
<v Speaker 4>kings that's good, right?
<v Speaker 3>No?
<v Speaker 4>No, no, so you got too many kings here. But
<v Speaker 4>he's super funny. He goes on to do some work
<v Speaker 4>in the Police Academy movies. His character is hilarious, by
<v Speaker 4>the way, drinking real beer when they're doing the tricycle race. Wow,
<v Speaker 4>they said he was hammered.
<v Speaker 3>Did he take that medicine that negated the album? Yeah?
<v Speaker 3>I wish that was a real thing. Right, all right,
<v Speaker 3>let's talk about Donald Gibb. Yes, not one of the beachies.
<v Speaker 2>That's right.
<v Speaker 3>No, not Barry Gibb. No, Donald Gibb.
<v Speaker 4>He was a stunt person before Revenge.
<v Speaker 3>Of the Nerds. Yeah. He went to college. He played basketball,
<v Speaker 3>basketball scholarship.
<v Speaker 4>Scholarship until he quit the team and went to the
<v Speaker 4>University of San Diego and played football.
<v Speaker 3>There you go. Because he's six' four and he's huge an. Athlete,
<v Speaker 3>yeah now listen to. This when he, auditioned he was
<v Speaker 3>a stunt. Man they were having trouble filling the role Of,
<v Speaker 3>ogre so he goes on to Play. Ogre of, course
<v Speaker 3>but his agent, said, LOOK i know this. Movie they're
<v Speaker 3>looking for An. Ogre they can't find anybody wants you.
<v Speaker 3>Auditioned so he goes in and he, reads.
<v Speaker 4>But he has a full beard hu and his agent
<v Speaker 4>calls him back and, says, listen they like what you're,
<v Speaker 4>doing but they think you're too. Old he, goes so
<v Speaker 4>shave your beard and come over here and do another.
<v Speaker 4>Read he said he had twenty minutes to get over,
<v Speaker 4>there so he shaved like lightning.
<v Speaker 3>Fast and so he goes. Back in those, days the
<v Speaker 3>blades were not great and so he had toilet like
<v Speaker 3>bloody toilet paper all over his.
<v Speaker 4>Face when he went into, audition he, Said Jeff, canoe the,
<v Speaker 4>director was, like you need to take off that bloody toilet.
<v Speaker 3>PAPER i have to think that his contribution to the
<v Speaker 3>movie is a key to its. Success his just hisd
<v Speaker 3>that bit was one of the most memorable parts from
<v Speaker 3>The from the preview that we would see before it came,
<v Speaker 3>on and even the movie. Itself he plays a part
<v Speaker 3>that is crucial in the to the success of the.
<v Speaker 4>Movie absolutely, absolutely and then he goes on to become
<v Speaker 4>a nerd like in the subsequent.
<v Speaker 3>Movies so you've got you've Got Marcy darcy As, stan
<v Speaker 3>and you've Got Donald gibb is ogre. Yep, now if you'll,
<v Speaker 3>remember there's a third, guy, right there's a third. Guy
<v Speaker 3>you think about the poster and it's Got Anthony edwards
<v Speaker 3>And Robert, carrodine you, know standing with the girls on
<v Speaker 3>top of three frat, guys, right, Yes and so obviously
<v Speaker 3>one of those Is ted, McGinley the other one Is Donald.
<v Speaker 3>Gibb the third. Guy crazy story on how he got this?
<v Speaker 3>Part you tell.
<v Speaker 4>It, well here's WHAT i. Know his name Is Matt.
<v Speaker 3>Salinger, yeah his dad IS. Jd. Salinger and for those
<v Speaker 3>less literate folks out, there that's the guy who Wrote
<v Speaker 3>The catcher in The.
<v Speaker 4>Rye and basically they were fans of his dad's.
<v Speaker 3>Book, Yeah Jeff canoe was a fan of this guy's,
<v Speaker 3>book of his dad's, book and so he gets the.
<v Speaker 3>Part SO i said to, you do you know what
<v Speaker 3>else he was. IN i do Not, yeah this was
<v Speaker 3>an exciting find for. Me he was in a movie
<v Speaker 3>in nineteen ninety that was a not big release movie
<v Speaker 3>but A tv, movie but a first in a series
<v Speaker 3>Of marvel movies where he played the part Of Steve
<v Speaker 3>rodgers Aka Captain. America oh my, gosh that was played
<v Speaker 3>By Matt salinger in the wildly popular rated three point
<v Speaker 3>two On IMDb Original Captain america. Movie that is. Fantastic,
<v Speaker 3>okay so let's talk About John goodman as Co. Chairs
<v Speaker 3>when you.
<v Speaker 6>Were a baby in your, crib your father looked down at.
<v Speaker 6>You he had but one. Home someday my son will
<v Speaker 6>grow to be a. Man we'll look at.
<v Speaker 7>You.
<v Speaker 6>Now you just got your asses whipped by a bunch
<v Speaker 6>of go damn.
<v Speaker 3>Nerds. Nerds, ah, YES i mean actor of imminent, renown
<v Speaker 3>but in nineteen eighty four hadn't done a whole. Lot
<v Speaker 3>he is awesome in this.
<v Speaker 4>MOVIE i think he's one of the guys who does
<v Speaker 4>the best job in his, role.
<v Speaker 3>Right because in him you see the, jocks the frat,
<v Speaker 3>guys you see their. Future, yeah and then nicely against
<v Speaker 3>that in the nerd, future you see the dean and
<v Speaker 3>The dean and the coach play against each, other, right,
<v Speaker 3>sure and of course in the end The dean wins.
<v Speaker 4>Out you just got your asses whipped by a bunch of.
<v Speaker 3>Nerds nerds.
<v Speaker 4>Words So John goodman o curse goes on to Do
<v Speaker 4>The Big, labaski which we have done an episode.
<v Speaker 3>On go back and find that. One that was a fun. Episode,
<v Speaker 3>yeah And Raising, arizona which is the one we compared it.
<v Speaker 3>To that's.
<v Speaker 1>Right.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah John goodman's incredible. Actor, ye Local missouri. Guy and
<v Speaker 3>then The dean is played by a guy Named David
<v Speaker 3>wall who hasn't done a whole lot other than that. Movie,
<v Speaker 3>sure but you've got another couple of guys that are.
<v Speaker 3>Important number, one you've Got Bernie, casey the president of
<v Speaker 3>the Tri lamb chapter that has to get. Grant And
<v Speaker 3>Bernie casey has been in so many of these like
<v Speaker 3>small parts in these great, movies Including Spies Like us
<v Speaker 3>and it Wasn't Spies Like. Us, yeah he's the guy
<v Speaker 3>that comes out and kicks. It, well what are we
<v Speaker 3>supposed to? Do and he's like maybe something like this
<v Speaker 3>just knocks everybody, out that's. Right and then he was
<v Speaker 3>also In bill And ted's excellent adventure as the history
<v Speaker 3>professor given them their. Stuff he's In Never Say Never,
<v Speaker 3>again and he's In i'm, On get You. SUCKER i,
<v Speaker 3>mean he.
<v Speaker 4>Plays Felix lighter In Never Say Never, Again James bond's best.
<v Speaker 3>Friend, yeah and get, this this is a deep.
<v Speaker 4>Cut do you remember when we Did Best Horror movies
<v Speaker 4>of the, Seventies, yes AND i told you one of
<v Speaker 4>my favorite ones was a movie Called. Gargoyles, yes, Yes
<v Speaker 4>Bernie casey plays the main gargoyle in that crappy old horror.
<v Speaker 3>Movie. Ah, okay, okay, nice there you. Go and there's
<v Speaker 3>one more actor that we have to, mention Mister James. Cromwell,
<v Speaker 3>Yes James cromwell plays the, dad Mister. Skolnick, yes, Yes lewis's,
<v Speaker 3>Dad lewis's, dad and he has you, know he is
<v Speaker 3>an obvious. Nerd he is also an obvious. Nerd, Now James,
<v Speaker 3>cromwell you've probably seen him In La, Confidential you've probably
<v Speaker 3>seen him In The Green, Mile you've probably seen him
<v Speaker 3>in The General's Daughter. Babe but he said that he
<v Speaker 3>was the one that came up with the definitive.
<v Speaker 1>Nerd.
<v Speaker 3>Laugh, Right college guys are all. Alike so you really
<v Speaker 3>care about it's getting Laid and he says he knows
<v Speaker 3>that he's the one that came up with it because
<v Speaker 3>he had gotten it from his ex. Wife that was
<v Speaker 3>how his ex wife used to, laugh and he just
<v Speaker 3>thought it was, ridiculous and so he imitated her, laugh which,
<v Speaker 3>then of Course Robert carradine imitated him imitating her. Laugh
<v Speaker 3>and so you've got the most, iconic.
<v Speaker 4>Fantastic, okay, well that's gonna do it for the end
<v Speaker 4>of this. Episode come back next week when we talk
<v Speaker 4>about part. Two we'll go through funny parts of this.
<v Speaker 4>Movie we'll give our final judgment on which movie we
<v Speaker 4>think is the better one next.
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