Ep 47: Increasing Buy-In From Your Team to Start Building Thinking Classrooms
Making Number Sense Make Sense: A Math Podcast for Early Elementary Teachers
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2025-02-10
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1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,920 So I look across the room at my instructional assistant and I'm like, not us standing in the middle of the room with nothing to do two weeks into kindergarten because all of these kids are on task working together and problem solving. 2 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:29,640 Hello and welcome to making number sense makes sense a podcast for elementary teachers specifically early elementary teachers looking to really make an impact in the number sense of their students. 3 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:38,160 Today's episode is about buy in from team members or teachers who might not be into building thinking classrooms. 4 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:45,080 Maybe they're not convinced yet or just not sure how to implement it in their classroom and you're getting some resistance. 5 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:50,320 The inspiration for today's episode was from a listener who sent me an email. 6 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,800 Side note, you can always send me an email if there's something you want to know more about follow up about. 7 00:00:54,800 --> 00:01:01,400 I always answer and I'm happy to do episodes specifically dedicated to something that might be able to help you. 8 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:08,320 So this email and they're doing a book study on building thinking classrooms and their teachers are just not quite convinced. 9 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:15,720 And I have to say I had the same experience not that my team members were unwilling to give this a try, 10 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:26,240 but I'm definitely a jump in with both feet ask permission or forgiveness later kind of person and not everybody's like that and I completely understand that. 11 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:33,320 So they were very much wanting me to give it a try kind of work out some of the kinks and then bring it back to them. 12 00:01:33,320 --> 00:01:35,400 And I was absolutely fine with that. 13 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:43,960 I found that I was in that position a lot on my team, mainly because I was in the unique position of not teaching reading at all. 14 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:51,160 Since I was a Spanish immersion teacher, when the students were with me, I was teaching the math and science in Spanish. 15 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:57,440 And then in the afternoon, my partner teacher would take my students and do language arts and social studies with them. 16 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,800 And I would take her students and do math and science again. 17 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:10,880 So I got to teach each lesson twice, which was so helpful to kind of correct in the moment and then try again with a new group of students to kind of work out all of the kinks. 18 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:20,000 So in that sense, I was very lucky that I was able to kind of refine my teaching in the moment to make it work better for my next class. 19 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:27,960 Or see two completely different groups of kids approach tasks so differently was really interesting to see. 20 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:34,840 And that's kind of one of the first things I would say when you're wanting to get some buy in from teachers who might be a little bit hesitant, 21 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:45,480 not only have them actually give it a try, but also just invite them into your classroom with students to observe what is going on, 22 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:51,920 the way that you might present a task, the way that students are handling it and kind of the routines and systems that you have in place 23 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:59,560 that might be causing a block for some other teachers who you want to join you in your building thinking classrooms journey. 24 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,840 And they are not about it yet. I'd read the building thinking classrooms book. 25 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:11,200 I was ready to dive in. My school had just been renovated. So every wall in my classroom was giant whiteboards. 26 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:16,320 It was a perfect setting to start something new in my county. 27 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:22,440 Each kindergarten teacher has a full time instructional assistant or paraprofessional that's with them all of the time. 28 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,720 So I explained my idea, how excited I was to my instructional assistant. 29 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:33,760 And she looked at me kind of like, I'm not sure about what you're telling me, but technically we work together. 30 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,480 And you're the teacher. So we're going to give it a try. 31 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,200 She wasn't opposed to it, but she was not thrilled. 32 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,360 So you do have some experience kind of bringing someone along. 33 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:47,640 So I explained kind of what I wanted to do and just see what was going on. 34 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:54,280 And it was really great to have a think partner in the room with you to reflect on what was going well and what wasn't going well. 35 00:03:54,280 --> 00:04:04,680 So my first few tasks and I say tasks with quotation marks because it was more like setting up the routine than actual tasks to start with. 36 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:12,920 I had my students just pick a card, find their partner based on the card and get to the right place. 37 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,000 Really, that was my only goal in giving them one marker. 38 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:24,040 So they had to figure out how to find their partner, get to the right place and share a marker for however long I tried. 39 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,120 And I tried the timer. You have two minutes, you have two minutes. 40 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,240 And it was a lot for me to manage having that timer go off every two minutes. 41 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:36,200 And it just felt really cumbersome. That wasn't something I enjoyed, but I'm sure that it can work for someone else. 42 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:42,840 So if that is a hang up, just getting them through the routine is something to celebrate. 43 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:49,680 More so than that, if you're starting right at the beginning of the year, you're not deep into curriculum yet. 44 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:58,400 You're really about learning the routines of how to be in school. And this is just another routine that your students can learn if you're starting at the beginning of the year. 45 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:03,000 If you're not starting at the beginning of the year, chances are your kids know a lot of routines. 46 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:11,360 They're used to learning routines. So if you think of it as another routine that your students are engaging in, it becomes less overwhelming. 47 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:16,000 Like this new thing that you have to do exactly perfect, because that is definitely not the case. 48 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,800 It does not have to be perfect at all the first time. 49 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:26,520 I don't even think it's perfect the 50th time. It's always a learning curve and a journey that you and your students are going through together. 50 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:32,080 And if they trust you enough to lead them through that journey, it is going to work out. I promise. 51 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:42,320 So bringing it back, my instructional assistant was not overly thrilled, but she was like, if you want to do it, let's do it and gave it a try by our fourth task. 52 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:47,480 So my first task, getting to the right place and using and sharing the marker. 53 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,800 My next task was, OK, now you're going to get to the right place. Use the marker, but create something together. 54 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,960 So it was a drawing, whatever it was, they needed to create it together. 55 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,560 My third task was get to the right spot. There are some blocks there. 56 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,920 You and your partner need to build the tallest tower that you can. 57 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:13,080 And really, it's just about getting your kids to the right place in the routine and working on something together to get them used to the feeling of like, 58 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:18,280 this is what it feels like to work with a partner towards a common goal and achieve that goal. 59 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:21,680 Those are my first. My fourth task was the three princes task. 60 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:27,120 And this is where it kind of clicked for my instructional assistant and I that like this is something different. 61 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,600 Like this might actually work better than we thought it would. 62 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,560 And these kids are five. They were in kindergarten. 63 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:37,160 This is some of them their first ever experience two weeks into school working out. 64 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,440 So the task that I gave them is called the three princes task. 65 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:45,760 And now I love to tell a story and I definitely wanted that buy in from the kids. 66 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,360 So I definitely started it like like I'm about to tell you a story. 67 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:56,480 Like once upon a time, there were these three princes, the red prince, the blue prince and the green prince. 68 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,000 And these princes each wanted to be the line leader. 69 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,000 They wanted to be the first one in line. 70 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:08,440 But then they thought about it and thought, it's not fair if just one person is the line leader all the time. 71 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,080 What can we do about that? 72 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,600 So the kids gave suggestions. Oh, well, they could take turns. 73 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,160 It's like they can take turns. 74 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:23,840 So their task was to figure out how each prince or each color could be first in line, second in line and third in line. 75 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:30,560 And I gave them connecting cubes, a recording sheet and three crayons and sent them on their way. 76 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:37,840 So I explained the task. Then they picked their cards, found their partner, made their way to their space and just started working. 77 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:44,240 So they colored in red, yellow, red, green and blue, if that was their first one. 78 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,120 And they were talking to each other about trying to make it different. 79 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,440 How could they make a different order so that everybody gets a turn? 80 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,480 So kind of brought the task to light for them. 81 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,360 They were imagining these princes in their head. 82 00:07:55,360 --> 00:08:02,120 And that's when my assistant and I looked at each other because this is the second week of school. 83 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:09,600 We're 15 minutes in and these students are still working together without any input from my instructional assistant and I. 84 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:16,400 And if they were getting stuck, they were asking a partner, they were checking their own work, asking other people in the classroom. 85 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,720 And we were like, whoa, something might actually be going on here. 86 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,320 And for the students who finished it, we threw a little wrench in it. 87 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,320 That was our first that was my first attempt at a thin slice. 88 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:35,680 I said, OK, now we have these brothers, the three princes, but they also have a sister, the yellow princess, and she wants a turn to do each one, too. 89 00:08:35,680 --> 00:08:42,120 So they flipped over their recording sheet and they had four squares that represented the four people instead of three. 90 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:47,200 And they kept going that way. And he had to stop them because we ran out of time for them to finish. 91 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,200 And that's when, like I said, we looked at each other. 92 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:54,280 We're like, well, not us standing in the middle of the room with nothing to do. 93 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,720 And they're problem solving like this really worked for us. 94 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:04,240 So not only did my instructional assistant start to buy in when she actually saw it working, 95 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:09,520 but I was able to share some of the work that my students were doing with my teammates. 96 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,160 And that also kind of gave my co-workers pause. 97 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:16,000 They're like, wait a minute, your kids were able to do that two weeks into school? 98 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,360 And I was like, yeah, it was really incredible. 99 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,320 They were so into it. And I feel like I want to keep trying this. 100 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:23,800 And it kind of piqued their interest. 101 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,200 I wasn't pushing anything, offered the materials. 102 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,000 I had quick launch slides in the recording sheet that was really simple to make, 103 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,680 offered them the materials. If you want it, here it is. 104 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:35,760 If you don't want it, that's fine. 105 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,920 And so little by little, I just continued sharing different tasks that I was doing, 106 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:45,560 showing my students work to my co-workers so they could kind of see what they were doing 107 00:09:45,560 --> 00:09:50,680 and eventually invited them into the classroom so they could see it play out in front of them, 108 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:54,600 which was really helpful in getting buy-in from other teachers. 109 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,840 So first, invite people in and show them student work. 110 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:04,720 At this point, a personal hang up might be, but how does this connect to the curriculum? 111 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,400 And starting off with your non-curricular tasks, it might not. 112 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,640 It might kind of graze math or touch math a little bit. 113 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:16,160 But really, the idea is them getting involved in a story and working together. 114 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:21,560 And finding tasks can be the most fatiguing part for me. 115 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:27,240 And why I didn't do it more often, sometimes the creative juices were not flowing. 116 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:35,320 I just could not think of a task to do or I didn't have enough time to prepare it the way that I would have wanted. 117 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,920 So if you're looking for tasks for the whole year for kindergarten, first grade and second grade, 118 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,120 I have links to those in the show notes just to get some ideas. 119 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:48,280 But beyond that, there is a Facebook group that is that I'm not affiliated with at all. 120 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,240 I don't run it. I'm not an admin of it. 121 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:56,360 But there are some amazing ideas from teachers all over the world in that group who are always willing to help. 122 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,560 So I will link that as well so that you can go and get some ideas if that is your hang up. 123 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:06,480 Not sure what tasks to do or even how they connect to the curriculum. 124 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,720 There are some great ideas there. 125 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:14,480 Another struggle you might hear is you just don't have the time. 126 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,760 Like how often are you supposed to be doing this? 127 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,200 And is it taking the place of traditional instruction? 128 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:25,360 And to each their own, everybody can do what works for them. 129 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:32,960 But especially if you have coworkers who are not willing to jump in or don't want to completely change, 130 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,720 because change is difficult. 131 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,000 And I wouldn't say I did this all the time either. 132 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,480 I still had many lessons. 133 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,840 I still had my students in stations. 134 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:47,160 I still had them doing other more traditional math activities to help them. 135 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:52,240 Because while problem solving is great, we still need to practice how to write our numbers and building 136 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:58,320 thinking classrooms. Problem solving might not be the best way to actually get the repetition and the practice in that they need. 137 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:03,080 So making sure that your teammates are aware that it's not all or nothing. 138 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:10,280 You can start in slowly, maybe just once a week and the rest do what you normally do and go from there. 139 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:15,920 The last thing I would say is to be curious about what their holdups are. 140 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:23,200 So maybe ask them to vocalize what their misgivings are, what they're not sure about, what gives them pause. 141 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,240 And after they answer, dig a little deeper. 142 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:31,960 Ask them to explain more about what they're thinking, asking how you can support. 143 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:38,920 Or if they're just completely not into it, letting it drop for a bit and maybe bringing it up later. 144 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:45,080 So that they can really feel heard in their doubts because there are a lot of changes happening all the time. 145 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,720 And it always feels like there is a new thing that you have to be trying. 146 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,520 And this is the only way. 147 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,560 And everything is going to work out if you just do this thing. 148 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:56,280 And it can be completely exhausting. 149 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,320 Like just one more thing that you have to do. 150 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,120 And as a teacher, that was definitely the last thing I wanted to hear. 151 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,080 I do not want to hear just do this. 152 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:05,240 It's only going to take this. 153 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:06,600 I was not into it. 154 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,520 So you really have to kind of let it settle. 155 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,120 Bring it up and be curious about what their holdups are. 156 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:13,400 So kind of a recap. 157 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:18,000 Invite your teammates to see building thinking classrooms in action. 158 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,920 Share student work. 159 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:25,640 Come with tasks that they can do that align to the curriculum or tasks that might be quick and easy ones. 160 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,960 They can put in 20 minutes here, 20 minutes there. 161 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,920 So it's not a giant time commitment. 162 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:36,120 And finally, be curious and ask them what is going on in their head. 163 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:41,160 What is holding them back so that you can work together to find a solution? 164 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,280 This is going to be perfect. 165 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:42,760 No. 166 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,160 And there's always going to be someone who just doesn't want to do it. 167 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:47,880 And you have to be OK with that. 168 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:57,640 But just kind of letting it simmer can definitely help if you have coworkers who might not want to try something completely new. 169 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,080 Like I said earlier, you can always send me an email. 170 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,280 Lara at making number since makes sense.com. 171 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,160 I will leave that in the show notes as well. 172 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,600 If you have any questions, any follow up, I am happy to help. 173 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:28,600 And I will see you next time.
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