An orchestral trip through the moons of our solar system

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- Physics world.

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Hello and welcome to the
Physics World Stories podcast.

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I'm Andre Gluster. And this is Enceladus,

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the fourth movement from
the Moon Symphony from

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Amanda Lee Falkenberg.

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The Moon Symphony is an orchestral
trip through the science

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and stories of the moons
of our solar system.

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Taking listeners on a tour
of Io Euro Roper Titan

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and Seuss Miranda Gade

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before turning to our own
moon, where you'll also find

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resting on the surface.

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The sheet music of this very simple,

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it is all the work of
Amanda Lee Falkenberg.

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- I have been in the musical
world since I was two

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and a half years old, playing
the piano, um, at that age

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and pretty much devoted
the next two decades

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to really trying to perfect
the craft, um, learn a lot

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of the literature, piano
concertos competitions at

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Tedford's, uh, performance
degree at the Conservatorium

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of Music in Adelaide.

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Um, and that's really the
point at which my curiosity

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for composing started to kick in.

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And, um, I started composing
music for ballet studios

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and, um, that I launched
a, a three part CD on that.

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And I felt that really
the visual world was

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where I was mostly interested in.

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Um, and then I got an
appointment, uh, to be the pianist

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with Australian Ballet Company.

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And we were, uh, it was a
very busy full-time job.

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Um, we were doing amazing
productions like coming to Bana,

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and I was obviously at
the piano with the, um,

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balls on stage, and they
were doing these new concepts

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and oh, I just honestly
wanted nothing more

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to be involved in that creative process.

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And I thought, there's no way
I'm gonna be able to access

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that dream if I'm sitting
here behind this piano.

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So I resigned and it was quite a

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big decision, as you can imagine.

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Um, there three full-Time
Peanut, and I was one of them.

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Um, but I really was so
curious, Andrew, to see

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how far I could take my creativity.

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And so for the next two decades, um,

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I've really just been writing
for films and television

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and, um, just doing lots
of, of piano concertos

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and concert hall music

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and just so inspired by
visual, the visual landscape.

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And, um, yeah, it was
through my piano concerto

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that I discovered these incredible moons

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of our outer solar system.

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And oh my goodness,

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that was like a lightning bolt moment in

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my creative career, <laugh>.

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And I actually had another
project I was going

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to launch into, but
then I found these moons

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and I'm like, no, I'm putting
that project to the side.

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And, um, I think that is the most exciting

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and fulfilling, uh, project to date. You

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- Discovered them via piano concerto,

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- <laugh>.

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I know, I need to give some context there.

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Um, I was, um, I was,
uh, in between projects

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and, um, you know, the, the
advice from John Williams is,

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you know, when you've got some
time on your hand, you know,

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and you need to com you wanna compose

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something, what do you love?

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And that I thought, well, what do I love?

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I'm like, I love Full Moon.

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So I'm like, I'm just gonna write a piano

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concerto about Full Moon.

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So I did, it was called
Crossing the Crescent Moon,

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and it was more of an abstract piece.

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Um, living in Dubai,

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you're seeing crescent moons everywhere.

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And anyway, so it was the
last, I had two more minutes

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to write at the piano

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concerto, and I thought, you know what?

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I'm just going to explore,
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of the traditional, um, theories
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or just explore some of the,
the literature out there.

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And I was just doing two couple
of hours of research on it.

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Um, and then all of a sudden
I stumbled across this website

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that said 10 of the weirdest
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And I went, hang on a
second. What <laugh> what?

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There's like more moons. I mean, house.

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I really gotta know that there
are all these dynamic worlds

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out there when I was buried in music books

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and piano, uh, crafting my piano skills.

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So, um, anyway, I just went, whoa,

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these moons need music.

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And then I'm like, hang on,
these moons need emotion.

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And being a film composer,
I'm very aware of the power

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of music to help amplify them.

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I kind of felt sorry for them, Andrew.

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I'm like, here are these amazing worlds

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of trapped in a vacuum of space.

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Like space I know I
could do something for.

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I kind of felt sorry for them.

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It was really weird experience <laugh>.

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And, um, and that's when
I set about the project.

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It was literally seven years
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and, um, set out to put
their world into music,

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um, and through the ways I know best.

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And so I was really
drawing upon the aesthetics

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of their world to start with.

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But then I started stumbling across all

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of this incredible science
that they've been, uh, able

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to establish from, you know,
these incredible missions

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of Voyager and Pioneer
and et cetera, et cetera.

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And I just, I just
realized one day I'm like,

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there's no way I could
ignore this science.

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And so I'm like, what
if I employed a choir

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to sing the science so that

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that way it could even give
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and communicate their incredible worlds

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to a larger audience.

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Obviously it compounded <laugh>
my, um, my, um, job as, um,

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composer here, but I,

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there was just no way I
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the, into the project.

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- Absolutely. Does the aesthetic
translation into music,

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can you tell me a bit about that

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before we move into the science? Yeah,

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- I guess like for me, um, I'm very visual

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and I think that's why I
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I was looking at how the
movement, the porta bra, whatever,

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um, the movement of the dancer

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and how I felt music could help

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them in that exercise, in that training.

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Just 'cause I've just been
immersed with the world of music

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for so many years and
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how you could join the forces.

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Like, it's just a massive
collaborative effort really.

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And, and, and I find it
fascinating using the texture

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of music to try and conjure visuals.

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and especially being a, a
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you've got so much more access to color

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and texture, more so
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when I was stumbling
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and that's a background I
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and so I'm like, oh my
goodness, here's my chance

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to really delve into
the science a world that

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I was never exposed to.

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I was so busy with theater

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and music, I just didn't
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to put a science topic into my, you know,

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bag of study.

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And I'm like, oh my
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And it was always quite a,
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as separate worlds, and I
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to bridge them together as well.

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So yes, in terms of like the
aesthetics of, you know, pro,

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okay, so the, and a probably
a good word to introduce

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to you is programmatic.

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Uh, it's a word that we use in music

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to help convey the music,
a musical narrative

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or a physical narrative.

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And Beethoven was amazing at programmatic

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elements in his music.

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the musical elements are
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to help convey the scripts of the science.

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AMI is a mood of Jupiter.

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It's the biggest moon in our solar system,

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and there is some phenomenal science

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happening at this world.

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And, um, I was fortunate enough
to, um, consult with, um,

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Jean, who is a co-investigator
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that's heading out there, um, that's essa

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and of course, um, rope Clipper Mission.

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Um, it's launching in October this year.

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So I had some pretty heady
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about all the science that
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that into this moon, just partly

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because they do have access
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as opposed to something like Europa,

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they're still trying to figure it out.

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the Galileo mission certainly
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the oceans, and that's a whole other thing

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through the magnetometer,

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but we're talking about Gamine right now,

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so I'll stay on track.

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But there's, um, all sorts

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of magnetic reconnections going on.

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Uh, there's a aurora belts
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because of the fact that it's,

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it's got its own magnetic field.

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The charge plasma that's happening at ome,

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it's all about magnetic field lines,

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and the protons are excited
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and they, and they explode.

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And in the actual music,
ADEs are very fun.

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It starts off quite celebratory

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and it really wants to
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magnetic field line activity.

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And so you'll hear like,
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where I'll do a, what
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which the barock, uh, technique

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where you'll pull the string away

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and you'll snap back on the
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and it gives quite a metallic sound.

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And of course that's sort of,
I'm like, okay, I've gotta put

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that in to sort of, you
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Also, there's, uh, there's
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with these, um, protons
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And so there's like this
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that comes from the trombone
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to sort of, yeah, just sort
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And, um, so, so there's that
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to draw upon as much as
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the science in, in especially
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narrative for

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- That's amazing.

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I mean, you've not just gone,

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I'm just gonna write some
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I'm gonna go and talk to the people

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who literally know the most
about these things in order

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to write about the moons.

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- Yeah, and I mean,
I'm a teacher at heart.

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I have a boutique piano school over here,

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and I have always, I mean,
I've just, I feel like many

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of us are just so curious about life,

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and I felt that here was
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like you said, just not paint a wallpaper

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for something that you're interested in.

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I'm like, no, here's a
chance to really explore.

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Like I said, how far can you
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of, of a creative person?

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And that's why I started,
what actually happened, um,

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Andrew is I started researching alone, um,

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the initially, and I turned
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I'm like, hang on a second,
like this website saying that,

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and this website saying that.

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And there was conflict in
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and I said to my husband,
like, gosh, I need to consult

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with a, a, a moons expert.

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I mean, I didn't know they were
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back then, but anyway, I'm
just like, and moon expert.

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And on some of the YouTube
channels I was, um, researching,

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there was a particular
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I didn't know who he was back then,

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but he was like dressed
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and talking about this moony roper

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that I was about to write for.

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And I remember taking a
screenshot going, Hmm, I need

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to find out where this this
person is and write to him

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and sort of pick his brain

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and see could, if he could,
sort of later to rest some

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of this conflict that I have
about what these numbers are

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and et cetera.

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So I, um, found out he was
from nasa, JPL in California,

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and, uh, it was one of these
black hole emails, you know,

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the ones that you just kind of <laugh>,

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you write your little message

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and you just send it off into the universe

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and you're pretty sure you're never

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gonna hear back from it <laugh>.

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So, and I, um, anyway,
I told him my vision.

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At that point, I hadn't even
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but I just explained to him the idea

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of these moons at a
concert that I had in mind

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and wanted to just see if he was available

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to chat about the characteristics.

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And, um, and I just didn't
think anything of it.

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message back from him saying

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he'd be happy to talk with me.

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My project sounded interesting to him.

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And, um, yeah, we've, um,

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been in massive contact over
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and he was the one who introduced me

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to this whole other swag amazing
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of the Cassini mission,
like Linda Spilker, um,

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and Michelle Doty, uh, the Mag
Thomas instrument on, uh, on

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that Cassini mission,

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who discovered the guys
as that in Cellists.

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Um, so yeah, so things just
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And, um, I'm so grateful he replied

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because, um, I don't think
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gravitas that it does
because of the interactions

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and the collaborative, um, efforts

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and commitment that I've
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not just with the music,
but when we've done outreach

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and we've done, um, public facing events.

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Um, it's just so much more
impactful having the scientists

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and professors share the stage
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And then I'll come in as the
musical communicator of how

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that shows up in the music.

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It's real, it's quite
a fun, um, format. Mm,

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- That's great.

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But I mean, it seems like, you
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the science these days as well.

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Have you found it going in as
being part of you now as well

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as, you know, part of the music?

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- It's, it was quite, um, a
Mount Everest climb <laugh>,

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but I was committed because I
felt that, um, you know, like

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before I even, I would
write for, um, stage plays

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or for feature films, Andrew, I would

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absolutely invest in
the script, the story,

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and I would not go anywhere
near writing in music

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until I felt that I'd
penetrated all of the nuances.

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And so it was just that same approach.

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Um, but instead of a film script,

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it was the si it scripted
the science that I had

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to make friends with and, you know,

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and I was very old fashioned, um,

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where I would just like two

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to three months just
saturate myself in everything

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that I could get my hands on
and write in pencil and paper.

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I mean, I've got books like, like, well,

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12 books I think in
total, um, cover to cover

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of just writing everything
that I needed to know

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or felt would be a nugget
that I could include.

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I mean, I couldn't include
everything obviously,

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so I just sort of hand pick.

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So, um, it, but it just, it was fun.

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Like, it was just really
joyful to be exposed to these

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incredible minds of these amazing,

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brilliant people doing
mind blowing missions

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to our outer solar smoke.

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Why wouldn't I get excited about that?

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And so it was just sort of
many layers of inspiration,

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hugely collaborative,

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and I just felt so privileged
to be able to have access

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to them, and I really wanted
to make sure that their time is

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so limited, and I wanted to
be really respectful about

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that. Have

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- You got feedback from them?

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You know, when they've
listened to the music,

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what do they say about it?

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- Well, oh gosh, that was, yeah, it would,

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what would happen is I
would penetrate the science

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and then just triple check
a few things with them.

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Like for instance, like
moon io I, um, consulted

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with Ashley Davies from nasa, JPL,

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who's volcanologist expert.

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Um, and he's been such
a wonderful companion,

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um, on this journey as well.

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They all have been, um,
I mean, he, he would come

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to London Imperial College
events that I have given and,

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and help convey the, the
science of, um, moon io.

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But what would happen is I'd,
you know, again, spend two

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to three months researching,
then I'd go into the studio.

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It would be quite a
big deal to then convey

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into a musical landscape.

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And then after that, actually,
Andrew, I would go back into,

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uh, once I'd finished the music

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and was, it was I felt that
it was sounded inevitable.

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It felt inevitable, I'd actually
then go into the libretto

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writing the libretto
that would come actually

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after I'd composed the music.

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And I love that part.

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It was like an a, BA science
started it, then the music,

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then I went back to my science books

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and had them all laid out
in front of me and would sit

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and with my headset and
listen to what I'd composed,

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and then I'd write the phrases

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that would bridge back to the science.

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But I had to put a poetic lens on it

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because this is, you know,
sort of theater after all,

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and it can't be too sciencey sy

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and I, I love that part as well.

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I'm like, I can't really say that word,

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but I mean, maybe I
could sort of, you know,

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and that's why I had to then
put on this poetic hat to sort

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of soften the science, if you like, um, so

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that it's theatrical lens that
we're experiencing as opposed

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to sitting in a science classroom.

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And that was really fun. So

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what I would do then is craft my poetry

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and actually send that to them first.

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And so for the case of
Ashley, I mean, I've been

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around him at events, at
conferences that I've gone

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to speak at, and he's been,
um, sort of introducing me

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to other scientists at those events.

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And he'd say, I remember the
first time Amanda sent me her

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poetry for io, the, my hair
stood up on the back of my arm

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and, and just got goosebumps all over me.

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And I'm like, well, I
had hadn't even shared

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the music with him at that point.

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So, I mean, so that was sort of the, and,

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and yes, it was just so
joyful involving them and,

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and, and interacting at
every point, every junction

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milestone of the creative process.

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So I wanted to really, you
know, really get across

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that this is collaborative and,

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and this is not, I'm just
gonna, you know, shut the door

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and, you know, never speak to you again.

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I wanted to feel invested and a huge, and,

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and part of this journey.

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Like, it's not just, I mean, I'm just,

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I feel like a puppet
on a string sometimes.

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I'm just sort of like

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manipulating this, that, and the other.

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But there is this massive
spaceship of people like,

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uh, that are involved
in the nuances of why

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and how the symphony is what it is today.

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- You said you wanted to bring science

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and then the arts together,
science and music together.

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I can see the excitement with
which you talk about the moons

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and I, I know from knowing scientists

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and how excited they get about music,

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that this is just such
a great project to do

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that mixture of science and the arts.

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- Oh, and you know,
the timing of this, uh,

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question Andrew could not be better

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because literally just last week, and,

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and I'm pleased that we
are scheduled this podcast

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because I have to kept
mom about it for so long.

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But I'm happy to say
that this very, uh, uh,

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question you, you ask, um, is about to be

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realized on stage at one

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of the most famous music
festivals in the world in Chicago,

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Renia, with one of the most,
um, prestigious orchestras,

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which is Chicago Symphony.

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And, um, basically Marin Op,

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who also recorded the album
in London back in 2022,

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she got to experience the scientists

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during the recording session, Andrew,

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because they, most of them
flew over to be part of

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that massive milestone.

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And it's just like a space launch.

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Like I'd go and be part
of their space launch.

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They came over to the musical launch.

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So, I mean, this is just how, you know,

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virtuous this circle
is of science and music

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and commitment we are to, to both worlds.

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So they flew over, including
my astronaut friend, um,

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Nicole Stott, who I consulted
with for the seventh movement.

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So we, I literally had this, I mean,

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I didn't really make a big
deal of it at the time,

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but little did I realize
Marin was quite, quite,

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you know, really enjoyed.

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Um, she really enjoys projects

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that are quite multidimensional like this.

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And so as it turns out, just

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before we're about to do a
take for one of the movements

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with the London Symphony
Orchestra, she would say, Amanda,

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do you wanna get one of the scientists up

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to have two minutes to talk about the moon

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before they played, to
give them some inspiration?

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So there they were on the
podium, um, standing in front of,

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you know, the London Symphony
Orchestra to explain some

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of the characteristics of the
moon they're about to play

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and the joy and the, the curiosity.

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And, um, we, we've got it all on camera.

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Um, and the feedback we
also received was, was just

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so delightful, um, that they genuinely,

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the musicians genuinely were
quite awestruck by, you know,

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having this knowledgeable
scientists there to help anchor

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the, the situation from provide context.

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So Marin was sort of witness
to just sort of like,

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I guess you could say, a bit
of a test run of how science

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and music can interact and,
and these worlds can overlap.

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And so, you know, two
years down the track,

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she's got an opportunity

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'cause she's chief curator
for the r Near Music Festival.

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And as part of their breaking
barriers, um, theme this year,

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the Moon Symphony is going to
be centerpiece of that event,

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um, played by the Chicago Symphony.

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It's going to be a suite
of, of the Moon Symphony.

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So it won't be with
choir, it'll be just, um,

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a shortened version, but
enough, it's like 22 minutes

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of music to, to convey the
characteristics of these worlds.

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And we are having many auxiliary
events where this, I've,

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I've got roles, I've got
an amazing, um, roster

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of scientists, Zippy Turtle,
who's lead scientist,

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the Dragon find mission back to Titan.

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She's gonna be involved Michelle Doty,

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who's basically Megaton
instrument found the guise is on

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and seller, she's flying over from the UK

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to be part of the auxiliary event.

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Yeah. So we are going to be
public facing, um, audiences in,

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in Chicago summer this year.

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Um, but we've been doing this
at Imperial College, um, uh,

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uh, for a couple events, um,

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and one coming up again
actually, um, in June this year.

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And so we've, we've seen
the impact from the audience

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and the students and,

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00:23:38,805 --> 00:23:42,825
and I think just the, uh,
just the nature of, um, music

483
00:23:42,965 --> 00:23:45,160
and science sharing
sentence stage like this

484
00:23:45,225 --> 00:23:48,125
and to, you know, as, as it
was pointed out to me, um,

485
00:23:48,485 --> 00:23:51,435
CB Turtle, um, you know, she said, Amanda,

486
00:23:51,465 --> 00:23:53,835
this is this outreach that you are doing.

487
00:23:54,315 --> 00:23:57,355
I mean, this is for these outer
solar system explorations.

488
00:23:57,355 --> 00:23:59,675
It takes, you know, seven,
eight years for these missions

489
00:23:59,675 --> 00:24:04,075
to reach, um, the planetary
systems to conduct the science.

490
00:24:04,495 --> 00:24:07,235
She said the age in which that
you are presenting, which is,

491
00:24:07,235 --> 00:24:10,915
you know, this kiss age
three, um, students, you,

492
00:24:11,025 --> 00:24:12,995
it's the perfect age
to get them interested

493
00:24:12,995 --> 00:24:15,915
because then they can start
aligning their subjects

494
00:24:15,975 --> 00:24:18,315
that's going to be, you know, conducive

495
00:24:18,375 --> 00:24:22,835
to lending themselves to
planetary post-docs, you know,

496
00:24:22,835 --> 00:24:26,395
when they need, uh, students
to help them go through the,

497
00:24:26,575 --> 00:24:27,915
you know, the data that this,

498
00:24:27,915 --> 00:24:30,115
these spacecrafts are gonna
be sending back to earth.

499
00:24:30,215 --> 00:24:32,595
So she's saying that the time
span is actually really good

500
00:24:32,595 --> 00:24:35,715
for outer solar system
planetary missions for

501
00:24:35,715 --> 00:24:39,955
what you're trying to inspire
in those outreach, um, events.

502
00:24:40,095 --> 00:24:41,675
So yeah,

503
00:24:41,675 --> 00:24:43,875
and so this will be
the first time, Andrew,

504
00:24:43,875 --> 00:24:48,475
that we will have a 15,000,
um, audience capacity

505
00:24:49,255 --> 00:24:51,675
to, I mean, we've just been
doing private events, um,

506
00:24:51,735 --> 00:24:53,195
and we did one of the great Hall

507
00:24:53,195 --> 00:24:55,395
of Imperial College back in December, 2022

508
00:24:55,455 --> 00:24:56,715
to a packed house,

509
00:24:56,835 --> 00:24:59,875
I might say actually tickets
sold out in five hours

510
00:24:59,925 --> 00:25:01,315
after they were released to the students.

511
00:25:01,455 --> 00:25:04,595
So there's, there was a
quite a, um, an interest in

512
00:25:04,695 --> 00:25:08,955
and, um, in the type of
elements that we were going

513
00:25:08,975 --> 00:25:10,835
to showcase and roll out.

514
00:25:10,855 --> 00:25:14,395
And so I think the combination,
um, has so far worked.

515
00:25:14,395 --> 00:25:16,035
It'll be interesting to
see how it's received in

516
00:25:16,035 --> 00:25:17,235
Chicago. Yeah,

517
00:25:17,415 --> 00:25:21,075
- No, I mean, you've got your
music being recorded performed

518
00:25:21,075 --> 00:25:24,195
by the LSO and soon to be Chicago as well.

519
00:25:24,195 --> 00:25:26,795
What, how does that feel to
have your music performed

520
00:25:26,815 --> 00:25:29,435
by these, you know, well,
world beating orchestras?

521
00:25:29,575 --> 00:25:34,125
- Oh, it is, you know,
the power of the vision,

522
00:25:34,745 --> 00:25:36,885
you know, people followed a made up mind.

523
00:25:37,025 --> 00:25:39,325
My mind was always made
up that I wanted no one

524
00:25:39,325 --> 00:25:42,165
but Marin op to conduct this symphony,

525
00:25:42,265 --> 00:25:46,365
and I just would never
let that not be part

526
00:25:46,365 --> 00:25:48,965
of the vision no matter
what, you know, COVID

527
00:25:49,305 --> 00:25:51,605
and sort of other events, like
her diary wasn't lining up

528
00:25:51,605 --> 00:25:55,485
with LSO, it was like looking
for months for a while

529
00:25:55,485 --> 00:25:56,965
that she was not gonna be conducting.

530
00:25:57,865 --> 00:26:01,805
And so, but, uh, you know, when
the, when the email did come

531
00:26:01,805 --> 00:26:04,325
through, it came through
Covid because her schedule was

532
00:26:04,325 --> 00:26:06,005
completely wiped out, as you can imagine.

533
00:26:06,185 --> 00:26:08,685
So she came back into the
project, we had to set new dates,

534
00:26:09,505 --> 00:26:13,285
she was back on, and, um, I
mean, that was just such a

535
00:26:14,025 --> 00:26:17,525
dreamy part of the
project to have her, um,

536
00:26:17,555 --> 00:26:20,365
leading our space mission, if you like.

537
00:26:21,025 --> 00:26:23,845
Um, but yes, I mean, I've been
living with electronic score

538
00:26:23,905 --> 00:26:25,845
for, at that 0.5 years,

539
00:26:26,655 --> 00:26:29,995
and then to have the life
breed from the LSO players, um,

540
00:26:30,065 --> 00:26:32,115
back in May, 2022 was,

541
00:26:33,055 --> 00:26:35,515
and then to have the scientists
though, sitting either side

542
00:26:35,515 --> 00:26:38,515
of me, you know, here I was
with my, I I wanted them to have

543
00:26:38,515 --> 00:26:40,755
that experience showing
in the musical score

544
00:26:41,565 --> 00:26:42,595
Maren right in front of us.

545
00:26:43,345 --> 00:26:46,165
And I would point to where we were at

546
00:26:46,165 --> 00:26:48,085
that moment as it was being recorded.

547
00:26:48,165 --> 00:26:50,605
I mean, I, I knew that they
would not know necessarily

548
00:26:50,605 --> 00:26:52,685
what was going on, but
you know what, Andrew,

549
00:26:52,785 --> 00:26:54,245
it was almost like a payback time

550
00:26:54,395 --> 00:26:58,085
because they would send
their, um, their project, um,

551
00:26:58,315 --> 00:27:00,805
there's their science
research page, um, papers,

552
00:27:01,105 --> 00:27:02,805
and I wanted them to,
I'm like, send it to me.

553
00:27:03,305 --> 00:27:04,445
And of course I'd read them

554
00:27:04,445 --> 00:27:06,005
and, you know, that was quite heavy.

555
00:27:06,185 --> 00:27:10,325
It was com pretty heavy, the
formulas and all the data and,

556
00:27:10,385 --> 00:27:12,685
and, but I would dutifully read them.

557
00:27:13,185 --> 00:27:16,525
And, um, but yeah, my, my eyes
would glaze over a fair bit.

558
00:27:16,525 --> 00:27:19,965
And there was this one part
of their, the research paper,

559
00:27:20,095 --> 00:27:22,685
which is called Plain English Summary,

560
00:27:22,955 --> 00:27:24,445
that was always my favorite part, <laugh>,

561
00:27:24,445 --> 00:27:26,485
because I'm like, okay, I get that <laugh>

562
00:27:27,355 --> 00:27:28,485
reading further though,

563
00:27:28,505 --> 00:27:30,325
but it was just fun to be around

564
00:27:31,135 --> 00:27:32,685
their minds and not really knowing.

565
00:27:32,705 --> 00:27:34,445
And that's, I guess that's why I wanted

566
00:27:34,445 --> 00:27:37,045
to be seated right in the
middle of them, have the score,

567
00:27:37,045 --> 00:27:40,725
because I'm like, this surely
must feel like how I've felt

568
00:27:41,275 --> 00:27:44,365
when they, I look at their
formulas and I'm like, oh gosh.

569
00:27:44,905 --> 00:27:47,845
But that's where the
respect kind of settles in,

570
00:27:48,065 --> 00:27:50,125
and you're just so committed

571
00:27:50,125 --> 00:27:52,285
to each other's worlds
from that perspective.

572
00:27:52,465 --> 00:27:54,365
You just wanna try and
get as close as you can.

573
00:27:54,365 --> 00:27:55,365
Well, at least that's what I've tried

574
00:27:55,365 --> 00:27:56,525
to do with the symphony.

575
00:27:57,425 --> 00:27:59,565
And so there we were sitting side by side

576
00:27:59,705 --> 00:28:02,805
and then having this, this
music brought to life.

577
00:28:25,515 --> 00:28:28,055
Oh, it was, it was just magical.

578
00:28:28,195 --> 00:28:31,495
And yet, you know, that was
just a recording, Andrew, I am

579
00:28:31,495 --> 00:28:35,455
yet to experience for the
first time a live performance.

580
00:28:35,515 --> 00:28:38,455
So I can't even answer that
question right now, um,

581
00:28:39,035 --> 00:28:41,415
if the truth be told,
because it, it's going

582
00:28:41,415 --> 00:28:43,455
to be happening on the
26th of July this year.

583
00:28:43,635 --> 00:28:46,575
So, but to to end that first
rehearsal, we're going to have,

584
00:28:46,595 --> 00:28:50,995
um, live plasma, um, screens.

585
00:28:51,105 --> 00:28:54,115
They've got plasma screens
all over the lawns, um,

586
00:28:54,175 --> 00:28:55,555
and it will be in the pavilion.

587
00:28:56,135 --> 00:29:00,275
Um, and so I'm currently just
finessing some, some videos

588
00:29:00,345 --> 00:29:02,835
that will accompany, um,
the music, which will be,

589
00:29:03,295 --> 00:29:06,395
so it'll be some very space
immersed, uh, experience,

590
00:29:06,395 --> 00:29:07,475
hopefully for the audience.

591
00:29:07,855 --> 00:29:10,235
And then, yeah, to hear
the live music performed

592
00:29:10,235 --> 00:29:13,075
by Chicago Symphony Marin conducting.

593
00:29:13,135 --> 00:29:16,955
And we are gonna be given,
um, at a 10 minute intro, um,

594
00:29:17,775 --> 00:29:21,355
on stage myself, um, Nicole
Scott, the astronaut,

595
00:29:21,355 --> 00:29:23,835
and, um, very lucky
NASA scientist as well,

596
00:29:24,015 --> 00:29:26,035
to talk about the mission, um,

597
00:29:26,055 --> 00:29:27,395
to give some context to the audience.

598
00:29:27,735 --> 00:29:29,155
Um, yeah,

599
00:29:29,255 --> 00:29:33,555
and I think just setting
the stage of why we've done

600
00:29:33,555 --> 00:29:36,235
what we have, I, and I,
I think Marin is very,

601
00:29:36,975 --> 00:29:38,395
is very much on a mission to make sure

602
00:29:38,395 --> 00:29:41,325
that the audience are
really clear about just

603
00:29:41,425 --> 00:29:45,405
how much science and
investment both the science

604
00:29:45,425 --> 00:29:48,445
and the musical world
have come together for

605
00:29:48,555 --> 00:29:50,885
what they're about to experience. Yeah,

606
00:29:51,445 --> 00:29:52,445
- Absolutely.

607
00:29:52,445 --> 00:29:52,765
So Nicole Scott is

608
00:29:52,905 --> 00:29:54,845
of course the first
artist in space, right?

609
00:29:54,995 --> 00:29:58,565
- Yeah. She was, did a us
a space walk to fix the,

610
00:29:58,805 --> 00:30:00,085
a Canadian robotic arm.

611
00:30:00,745 --> 00:30:03,045
Can you imagine? And
obviously, you know, at,

612
00:30:03,105 --> 00:30:05,045
at one point her mother and, um,

613
00:30:05,385 --> 00:30:07,205
and her husband said to her, you know,

614
00:30:07,235 --> 00:30:08,645
when she was tethered,

615
00:30:08,985 --> 00:30:12,045
she was like the furthest
human from our planet earth.

616
00:30:12,125 --> 00:30:14,125
I mean, it was just like
compelling what she's done.

617
00:30:14,625 --> 00:30:17,685
But you know, these astronauts,
you know, the authority

618
00:30:17,905 --> 00:30:21,645
of astronauts, um, their aura like being

619
00:30:21,645 --> 00:30:24,685
around an astronaut, and
people are absolutely,

620
00:30:24,685 --> 00:30:25,885
literally awestruck around them

621
00:30:26,145 --> 00:30:27,805
and obvious for obvious reasons.

622
00:30:27,945 --> 00:30:32,365
So to have her, I mean, she's
just been a huge supporter

623
00:30:32,365 --> 00:30:34,005
of this creative process,

624
00:30:34,305 --> 00:30:36,725
and so it's gonna be so
wonderful to have her.

625
00:30:37,255 --> 00:30:39,285
She's just, yeah, being
on this journey with me

626
00:30:39,355 --> 00:30:40,885
through all shades of the rainbow.

627
00:30:41,305 --> 00:30:43,565
And yeah, I mean, I was even writing

628
00:30:43,565 --> 00:30:44,925
to her yesterday saying, oh,

629
00:30:44,945 --> 00:30:47,685
I'm putting the mood board
together for, um, earth Moon,

630
00:30:47,685 --> 00:30:50,605
and I can barely hold it together
thinking about, you know,

631
00:30:50,785 --> 00:30:54,165
the, the emotional impact that
we really want to make for

632
00:30:54,855 --> 00:30:58,165
earth rise and for people to
have this emotional reaction

633
00:30:58,185 --> 00:31:02,525
to the music and Nicole's story
about the interconnectivity

634
00:31:02,585 --> 00:31:04,365
of seeing our earth from space.

635
00:31:04,545 --> 00:31:06,125
That's the seventh movement's message.

636
00:31:06,315 --> 00:31:09,685
It's the first six moons are
basically the scientific data

637
00:31:09,835 --> 00:31:11,685
told from the stories of space probes.

638
00:31:11,905 --> 00:31:16,005
The seventh movement is the
emotional data experienced

639
00:31:16,005 --> 00:31:17,365
through the hearts of astronauts.

640
00:32:02,085 --> 00:32:03,825
And so, you know, to have scientists

641
00:32:03,925 --> 00:32:05,425
and an astronaut involved in

642
00:32:05,425 --> 00:32:06,505
this mission is really important.

643
00:32:12,885 --> 00:32:15,105
- You've got these 12
books of notes, right?

644
00:32:15,175 --> 00:32:17,025
What, can you tell me some of the things

645
00:32:17,025 --> 00:32:18,145
that sprung out at you?

646
00:32:19,095 --> 00:32:21,065
- I've got, I've got
examples, right? <laugh>.

647
00:32:22,965 --> 00:32:26,025
So what I'd be sitting, I'd,
I'd record my, my Zoom sessions

648
00:32:26,025 --> 00:32:29,185
with like, as I was saying
like before, was Jja, um,

649
00:32:30,465 --> 00:32:32,445
and from Michigan University in Ann Arbor.

650
00:32:32,985 --> 00:32:36,245
And, um, I mean, we had like
almost an hour solid Skype.

651
00:32:36,245 --> 00:32:38,245
In fact, I think we had
two Zoom calls with him,

652
00:32:38,245 --> 00:32:39,650
and I had to record both of them.

653
00:32:39,865 --> 00:32:42,805
And so what I would do, Andrew,
right, so I'd, I'd listen,

654
00:32:43,185 --> 00:32:46,605
I'd play back, um, his,
his our conversation

655
00:32:47,385 --> 00:32:49,245
and write down everything

656
00:32:49,275 --> 00:32:51,805
that he was telling me about the moon.

657
00:32:52,225 --> 00:32:53,485
And so he was saying things,

658
00:32:53,665 --> 00:32:56,405
he was talking about the alpha
wings that the magnetic is,

659
00:32:56,425 --> 00:32:57,805
um, fear of, uh,

660
00:32:58,025 --> 00:33:00,885
GED is very different than
other planetary bodies

661
00:33:00,885 --> 00:33:04,125
because it's, um, encased in Jupiter's

662
00:33:04,685 --> 00:33:05,685
enormous magnet sphere.

663
00:33:05,745 --> 00:33:09,325
And so therefore the shape of Ed's, um,

664
00:33:10,315 --> 00:33:12,165
mags sphere is a very
different shape than others.

665
00:33:12,195 --> 00:33:14,205
It's, it forms what they call Alvin wings.

666
00:33:15,025 --> 00:33:17,525
And so I'm like, stop,
describe what Alpha Wings are.

667
00:33:17,545 --> 00:33:19,445
And of course we had to
go into the, the science,

668
00:33:19,505 --> 00:33:22,045
and it was, and anyway, so he
talked to me about that and,

669
00:33:22,065 --> 00:33:23,885
and he, he's actually done diagrams.

670
00:33:23,885 --> 00:33:28,045
And so it would be a
very literally a hands

671
00:33:28,385 --> 00:33:29,485
on process.

672
00:33:29,845 --> 00:33:34,725
I mean, I'd work with pencils
and, and, um, highlighters

673
00:33:34,945 --> 00:33:38,245
and I would just keep writing
it out until I understood

674
00:33:38,265 --> 00:33:41,725
to understand it and, um, come at it.

675
00:33:42,045 --> 00:33:44,245
'cause remember I had to sort
of then turn it all around

676
00:33:44,345 --> 00:33:46,445
and then come at it through a poetic lens.

677
00:33:46,905 --> 00:33:50,405
So it just felt really important
that I, um, just, you know,

678
00:33:51,235 --> 00:33:52,605
just rolled my sleeves up

679
00:33:52,605 --> 00:33:56,125
and just got to used to
trying to learn the, the,

680
00:33:56,225 --> 00:33:57,405
the language of this science

681
00:33:57,785 --> 00:34:01,365
and, um, understand, I mean,
I didn't even, you know, I had

682
00:34:01,365 --> 00:34:04,685
to learn about magnetic
field lines breaking apart.

683
00:34:04,685 --> 00:34:06,885
There's, you know, breaking back together.

684
00:34:07,065 --> 00:34:11,285
And, um, yeah, there, there's
also a ro belts at Gmy,

685
00:34:11,285 --> 00:34:12,285
which fascinated me.

686
00:34:12,305 --> 00:34:16,085
So anything that Jji would
explain to me, I'll just go,

687
00:34:16,085 --> 00:34:17,605
right, that's gotta go on the symphony.

688
00:34:17,605 --> 00:34:21,005
Okay, let's talk about
this. Or, um, also, um,

689
00:34:21,435 --> 00:34:23,125
what else is another or chorus waves.

690
00:34:23,145 --> 00:34:25,405
Yes, chorus Waves at
Gmy are a million times

691
00:34:26,165 --> 00:34:27,845
stronger than they are at Jupiter.

692
00:34:28,585 --> 00:34:31,845
Um, and it's just, it's just
recent discovery that's come

693
00:34:31,845 --> 00:34:35,765
through and, um, I'm like,
oh my goodness, like a word,

694
00:34:35,835 --> 00:34:38,685
like course ways that straddles science

695
00:34:39,025 --> 00:34:41,885
and music, like that was
a no brainer that had

696
00:34:41,885 --> 00:34:42,965
to go into the score.

697
00:34:43,625 --> 00:34:45,765
And so, I mean, for
that moment, I mean, I,

698
00:34:46,245 --> 00:34:49,685
I give a big Tim solo to sort of, uh,

699
00:34:49,895 --> 00:34:51,845
which is the most powerful
instrument of an orchestra

700
00:34:52,305 --> 00:34:55,765
to convey the, the, the
drama of this course wave

701
00:34:56,695 --> 00:34:58,965
scientific, um, phenomenon, um,

702
00:34:59,355 --> 00:35:00,685
that they've recently discovered.

703
00:35:00,685 --> 00:35:04,645
So it's just sort of, yeah,
it was just completely, yeah,

704
00:35:04,665 --> 00:35:08,085
it was really head,
like head and hands on.

705
00:35:08,345 --> 00:35:11,885
Um, and yeah, it was, I loved it.

706
00:35:12,045 --> 00:35:15,805
I abs I mean, every
chapter of this process,

707
00:35:16,845 --> 00:35:18,805
learning the learning,
the science, the research

708
00:35:19,465 --> 00:35:21,165
has just been so joyful

709
00:35:21,345 --> 00:35:23,365
and, um, such an exhilarating journey.

710
00:35:23,545 --> 00:35:27,485
And, and I, I think that's
where I really wanted to hope

711
00:35:27,485 --> 00:35:32,045
that the music would also
convey all of those ingredients,

712
00:35:32,045 --> 00:35:35,805
those emotional ingredients
of joy, curiosity, respect

713
00:35:35,825 --> 00:35:37,005
and commitment.

714
00:35:37,085 --> 00:35:38,965
And, um, just wanting

715
00:35:38,965 --> 00:35:40,525
to have a good time hanging out

716
00:35:40,525 --> 00:35:42,045
with science and music. Did you

717
00:35:42,135 --> 00:35:43,605
- Write Gunny made first?

718
00:35:43,945 --> 00:35:45,845
Did you write IO first? How did that

719
00:35:45,845 --> 00:35:46,845
- Work?

720
00:35:46,845 --> 00:35:48,405
Oh, that's a really
interesting question. Okay.

721
00:35:48,685 --> 00:35:51,845
I actually started writing Europa first

722
00:36:07,395 --> 00:36:10,005
Because that was the science
that was coming up the most.

723
00:36:10,065 --> 00:36:12,205
That's the biggest, you
know, that is NASA's

724
00:36:13,155 --> 00:36:15,005
multi-billion dollar mission right now.

725
00:36:15,425 --> 00:36:17,165
Um, about to launch in October this year.

726
00:36:17,425 --> 00:36:20,405
So that was obviously coming
up more in my investigation.

727
00:36:20,405 --> 00:36:22,285
So I'm like, but I don't
even know, at the time,

728
00:36:22,425 --> 00:36:25,165
I'd selected these moons that io

729
00:36:25,275 --> 00:36:27,125
that they were planning
this spacecraft launch.

730
00:36:27,665 --> 00:36:31,165
And when I did discover it,
I turned to my husband like,

731
00:36:31,165 --> 00:36:32,805
oh my goodness, they're sending in a

732
00:36:32,805 --> 00:36:34,205
spacecraft out to Europa.

733
00:36:34,225 --> 00:36:36,685
I'm like, we need a concert to have

734
00:36:36,685 --> 00:36:37,765
for that moment, <laugh>.

735
00:36:38,245 --> 00:36:40,045
I mean, I hadn't even written
any music at that point,

736
00:36:40,145 --> 00:36:43,885
but I'm like, wow, we need,
you know, I mean, I think

737
00:36:43,885 --> 00:36:46,125
that the exciting thing
about having a science-based

738
00:36:46,125 --> 00:36:48,165
symphony is that you're
reaching a demographic

739
00:36:48,165 --> 00:36:50,525
that perhaps you wouldn't otherwise be at

740
00:36:50,525 --> 00:36:51,805
a target and vice versa.

741
00:36:52,745 --> 00:36:57,365
So anyway, um, so I just started
writing for Europa purely

742
00:36:57,365 --> 00:36:58,685
because of, from that perspective.

743
00:36:58,865 --> 00:37:02,045
But, um, and then the, the
next sequence was I went

744
00:37:02,105 --> 00:37:06,885
to Incel, then I went
to Titan, Miranda, um,

745
00:37:07,085 --> 00:37:10,365
I went to IO then, uh,
'cause I went to nasa, JPO

746
00:37:10,365 --> 00:37:12,645
and presented at the Cassini mission, um,

747
00:37:12,865 --> 00:37:15,085
at the Von Carbon Auditorium.

748
00:37:15,195 --> 00:37:17,645
That was amazing. Had a
20 minute presentation

749
00:37:17,825 --> 00:37:19,645
to all these PI scientists.

750
00:37:19,665 --> 00:37:22,725
It was <laugh> quite
a, quite an experience.

751
00:37:22,745 --> 00:37:25,405
But that was when I was able
to have like in situ, um,

752
00:37:25,955 --> 00:37:28,245
conversations with the
VUL volcanologist expert

753
00:37:28,425 --> 00:37:30,165
and also Linda SPI Spilker.

754
00:37:30,165 --> 00:37:31,405
I was able to sit down with her

755
00:37:31,465 --> 00:37:35,365
and talk about, um, you, um,
how they found the plumes at,

756
00:37:35,465 --> 00:37:37,365
uh, at the geysers at Ence.

757
00:37:37,665 --> 00:37:41,685
And that was absolutely
phenomenal to be there in person

758
00:37:41,905 --> 00:37:45,645
and just, oh, yeah, it
was pretty exciting.

759
00:37:45,705 --> 00:37:48,565
So then I came back, um, to Dubai

760
00:37:48,665 --> 00:37:51,045
and then started composing for io,

761
00:37:51,045 --> 00:37:53,005
which was quite challenging actually.

762
00:37:53,265 --> 00:37:54,565
Um, <laugh>, oh my god.

763
00:37:54,845 --> 00:37:56,645
I mean, we are talking
about the most explosive,

764
00:37:57,245 --> 00:37:58,885
volcanic powerful moon
in our solar system.

765
00:37:58,885 --> 00:38:00,605
Like, oh my God, what am I gonna do?

766
00:38:00,865 --> 00:38:04,005
So, um, I was quite
intimidated we could say that.

767
00:38:04,145 --> 00:38:06,085
And then, so I just
sort of got down with it

768
00:38:06,085 --> 00:38:08,165
and got on with it and did my research,

769
00:38:08,185 --> 00:38:10,205
and then it was time to
go in and do the music.

770
00:38:10,465 --> 00:38:13,325
And, um, after I'd finished composing it,

771
00:38:13,325 --> 00:38:15,645
it was actually my husband who said, Hey,

772
00:38:16,655 --> 00:38:18,305
this sounds like a first movement to me.

773
00:39:02,155 --> 00:39:03,245
It's so explosive.

774
00:39:03,665 --> 00:39:04,725
It, you know,

775
00:39:05,745 --> 00:39:06,845
and I, I said,

776
00:39:06,845 --> 00:39:08,925
do you wanna consider putting
this as your first moment night?

777
00:39:09,915 --> 00:39:11,765
Yeah, you know what, I think I'll,

778
00:39:12,345 --> 00:39:16,325
but the other side to this
coin is of the decision is that

779
00:39:17,025 --> 00:39:21,125
the cool thing about
programming io first is

780
00:39:21,125 --> 00:39:24,285
that it sets the stage
for runaway tidal heating,

781
00:39:24,285 --> 00:39:27,405
which is a, a concept about the
new Goldilock zone, which is

782
00:39:28,105 --> 00:39:31,685
why they, they scientists
believe that they,

783
00:39:32,075 --> 00:39:34,725
they could be find, they could
find microbial life in the

784
00:39:34,725 --> 00:39:39,045
ocean of Europa because of
the tidal heating at its core,

785
00:39:39,625 --> 00:39:42,365
and their interaction
of salt and oshi water.

786
00:39:42,585 --> 00:39:43,685
Um, and the right,

787
00:39:43,905 --> 00:39:46,205
the new Goldilock zone
is basically this idea.

788
00:39:46,225 --> 00:39:50,485
So I felt that having io
first, not only do we begin

789
00:39:50,485 --> 00:39:53,605
with a blast, we, um, <laugh>, um,

790
00:39:53,745 --> 00:39:56,845
we also can then convey these really, um,

791
00:39:56,845 --> 00:39:59,365
important concepts
moving out in, you know,

792
00:39:59,365 --> 00:40:01,685
as we move out into the other
stories of the other moons.

793
00:40:02,085 --> 00:40:04,085
- Brilliant. It's, it is a
wonderful, wonderful start.

794
00:40:04,205 --> 00:40:07,205
I just, you know, continues
to be brilliant throughout.

795
00:40:07,465 --> 00:40:08,965
Do listeners get in touch with you?

796
00:40:09,235 --> 00:40:13,885
- They do. Um, I, I've got
some such incredible, um,

797
00:40:14,965 --> 00:40:18,545
you know, I'm being actually
really blown away by how,

798
00:40:20,125 --> 00:40:24,235
uh, yeah, I mean, I think
the amount of, okay,

799
00:40:24,235 --> 00:40:27,955
so we've done a lot of outreach
events in London, private,

800
00:40:29,015 --> 00:40:33,105
like test beds, just testing
audiences out on the concepts.

801
00:40:33,105 --> 00:40:34,785
And this was even before
the recording was made,

802
00:40:35,565 --> 00:40:37,785
and the feedback, the
reaction that I, that I get,

803
00:40:37,805 --> 00:40:39,105
and often I've shared the stage

804
00:40:39,105 --> 00:40:42,425
with a scientist like I did at
an event with Robert Pap, um,

805
00:40:42,765 --> 00:40:46,715
and the audience, I just, you know,

806
00:40:47,545 --> 00:40:50,955
dazzled by having the
presence of a scientist that,

807
00:40:51,335 --> 00:40:53,515
you know, potentially could, a mission

808
00:40:53,515 --> 00:40:56,555
that could revolutionize
science again in, you know,

809
00:40:56,575 --> 00:40:58,875
by finding microbial
life in our solar system.

810
00:40:58,895 --> 00:41:03,845
You know, it's just, and then
to have music as a soundtrack

811
00:41:04,585 --> 00:41:07,645
to the science, what
I call fact adventures

812
00:41:07,745 --> 00:41:08,925
of our outer solar system.

813
00:41:09,315 --> 00:41:12,525
There's something this
is an X factor about,

814
00:41:12,625 --> 00:41:14,405
and I can't, I can't
quite put my finger on it,

815
00:41:14,425 --> 00:41:15,885
but, you know, the sort of feedback

816
00:41:15,885 --> 00:41:18,005
that I get from audiences
is life changing.

817
00:41:18,225 --> 00:41:21,925
Amanda, oh my, you know, my
God, I, I just, you know, it is,

818
00:41:22,165 --> 00:41:24,045
I, the jaws are just, I don't know.

819
00:41:24,125 --> 00:41:28,265
I mean, I'm just, I'm so, you
know, you never, you never

820
00:41:28,835 --> 00:41:31,425
exper mean you wanna be
happy with your composition,

821
00:41:31,425 --> 00:41:32,665
but you are never sure

822
00:41:32,725 --> 00:41:35,205
how an audience will react or respond.

823
00:41:35,825 --> 00:41:38,845
So I've just been really, um, so grateful

824
00:41:38,845 --> 00:41:41,525
that it's resonated and, you know, and,

825
00:41:41,905 --> 00:41:42,925
and it's not just about,

826
00:41:44,195 --> 00:41:46,005
it's not about the ego of an artist.

827
00:41:46,775 --> 00:41:48,565
We've got a planetary mission here.

828
00:41:48,565 --> 00:41:52,765
Like, we wanna inspire
humanity so that, you know,

829
00:41:52,875 --> 00:41:55,045
good things can happen
here on planet earth.

830
00:41:55,105 --> 00:41:58,525
And, and, you know, paradigm shifts

831
00:41:58,525 --> 00:42:02,285
and perspective shifts from
seeing our planet, the only

832
00:42:02,825 --> 00:42:05,165
planet that supports life
in our obvious, there's,

833
00:42:05,165 --> 00:42:08,125
there's just these big
overarching themes that just go

834
00:42:08,185 --> 00:42:10,405
beyond the ego of the artist with this.

835
00:42:10,425 --> 00:42:13,005
So I have no problem
saying that, you know,

836
00:42:13,035 --> 00:42:15,725
it's been really well
received, thank goodness,

837
00:42:16,015 --> 00:42:17,605
thank goodness, you know,

838
00:42:17,605 --> 00:42:21,605
that people then hopefully
will be, um, inspired

839
00:42:21,605 --> 00:42:23,285
to do great things themselves.

840
00:42:23,545 --> 00:42:27,245
And yeah, so it's just sort of
that sort of virtuous circle

841
00:42:27,585 --> 00:42:30,845
and that we really wanna get across.

842
00:42:30,985 --> 00:42:32,245
And, um, and,

843
00:42:32,245 --> 00:42:34,885
and it's, yeah, it's be, so
again, it'll be interesting

844
00:42:34,885 --> 00:42:37,485
to see what the audience
reaction in Chicago will be.

845
00:42:37,625 --> 00:42:38,685
- So, I'm sorry I can't be there.

846
00:42:38,845 --> 00:42:41,605
I, what I love about it personally,

847
00:42:41,605 --> 00:42:44,525
because, you know, I've
had a love of science

848
00:42:44,585 --> 00:42:48,955
and music for, well, several decades,

849
00:42:49,655 --> 00:42:53,275
and <laugh>, um, I've
experienced quite a few, um,

850
00:42:53,305 --> 00:42:55,035
science music crossovers.

851
00:42:55,255 --> 00:42:58,555
And I think sometimes when the science

852
00:42:58,575 --> 00:43:01,075
of music crossover happens, the science

853
00:43:02,485 --> 00:43:05,075
leaks too much into the
composition of the, of the music.

854
00:43:05,095 --> 00:43:07,955
And it becomes a bit, you know,

855
00:43:07,955 --> 00:43:09,755
people lean too much on the electronic.

856
00:43:09,825 --> 00:43:11,795
They go a bit bp Boppy.

857
00:43:12,105 --> 00:43:16,915
It's less about composing
something wonderful to listen

858
00:43:16,935 --> 00:43:18,235
to, and it's more about

859
00:43:18,785 --> 00:43:21,035
exploring the composition using the music,

860
00:43:21,045 --> 00:43:22,275
which has its place.

861
00:43:22,275 --> 00:43:24,035
Don't get me wrong, it
totally has its place,

862
00:43:24,175 --> 00:43:27,395
but what you have created is
something which is beautiful

863
00:43:27,395 --> 00:43:31,715
to listen to and, um,
beautiful in its creation,

864
00:43:32,175 --> 00:43:34,435
in liaison with the
science, if you see what I

865
00:43:34,435 --> 00:43:35,435
- Mean.

866
00:43:35,435 --> 00:43:37,875
Thank you so much. And
I think I, I, again,

867
00:43:38,545 --> 00:43:41,995
leaning on my background as a
film composer, I think that is

868
00:43:41,995 --> 00:43:46,195
where, because motion, that's
all that you really, you, you,

869
00:43:46,435 --> 00:43:48,115
I think that's the
biggest thing you gotta go

870
00:43:48,115 --> 00:43:52,155
after as to recognize where in a story,

871
00:43:52,935 --> 00:43:54,995
you know, the emotional landscape

872
00:43:55,815 --> 00:44:00,675
and the power of music when
you team it up with emotion to

873
00:44:01,505 --> 00:44:03,875
draw people like to manipulate
emotions, basically.

874
00:44:04,035 --> 00:44:06,795
I mean, as <laugh> as,
as crude as it sounds,

875
00:44:06,895 --> 00:44:10,795
but, you know, if you wanna
inspire, you know, positivity

876
00:44:11,055 --> 00:44:14,035
and call to action, that's
a great way to do it

877
00:44:14,035 --> 00:44:15,475
through the emotional landscape.

878
00:44:15,695 --> 00:44:19,955
And so I felt I was somewhat
in a bit of a, a for

879
00:44:20,555 --> 00:44:24,075
a fortunate position to draw upon my years

880
00:44:24,075 --> 00:44:26,915
as a film composer with my own passions

881
00:44:26,915 --> 00:44:28,995
for these incredible worlds.

882
00:44:29,735 --> 00:44:33,765
And then, you know, long
came the scientist element

883
00:44:33,865 --> 00:44:37,525
to it all, which I was
absolutely, you know, besotted

884
00:44:37,525 --> 00:44:38,765
with just because it was such a world

885
00:44:38,765 --> 00:44:40,805
that I hadn't been exposed
to and I wanted to,

886
00:44:40,805 --> 00:44:43,445
and I knew I, I knew I could,
if I had the right team

887
00:44:43,445 --> 00:44:45,285
around me, I knew I could
perhaps do something.

888
00:44:45,465 --> 00:44:47,885
And I think the other thing
that my husband points out is

889
00:44:47,885 --> 00:44:50,445
that the thing about your
symphony, Amanda, he says,

890
00:44:50,785 --> 00:44:53,325
you know, you can just listen to it alone.

891
00:44:53,465 --> 00:44:57,045
You don't have to even think
about what the science is,

892
00:44:57,045 --> 00:44:59,525
but if you wanna go under
the hood, I mean, that's

893
00:44:59,525 --> 00:45:01,245
what my whole I, I've created a, um,

894
00:45:01,345 --> 00:45:04,605
I'm creating a lunar
out, um, outreach program

895
00:45:04,625 --> 00:45:07,245
that's gonna be in con
in congen conjunction

896
00:45:07,315 --> 00:45:08,685
with this symphony

897
00:45:08,705 --> 00:45:12,605
and actually Imperial
College, um, have, um, uh,

898
00:45:12,665 --> 00:45:15,645
are helping me, um, reach
the masses with this lunar,

899
00:45:15,795 --> 00:45:19,845
basically in Ackerman learning
under new artistic regimes.

900
00:45:20,385 --> 00:45:22,085
So it's a whole new program of showing

901
00:45:22,105 --> 00:45:23,845
how music can inform the science

902
00:45:23,865 --> 00:45:26,565
and science can inform, you
know, so science inform music.

903
00:45:27,195 --> 00:45:28,685
It's just really just a different

904
00:45:30,205 --> 00:45:33,165
paradigm in educational approach.

905
00:45:33,745 --> 00:45:35,245
So this is what we're gonna be sort

906
00:45:35,245 --> 00:45:37,045
of rolling out in Chicago as well.

907
00:45:37,045 --> 00:45:38,605
We're gonna be rolling
out in Imperial College.

908
00:45:39,065 --> 00:45:40,645
We have been rolling it out to

909
00:45:40,645 --> 00:45:42,205
and to really great reaction as well.

910
00:45:42,305 --> 00:45:45,925
So as you can imagine,
there's a lot of science

911
00:45:46,805 --> 00:45:48,885
embedded in this, which
I love, I have to say.

912
00:45:49,465 --> 00:45:52,885
Um, and just so finding all
these parallels has been really

913
00:45:53,285 --> 00:45:56,605
a, a great, um, use of, um, my time trying

914
00:45:56,605 --> 00:45:59,885
to make the connection so
students can just metabolize

915
00:46:00,265 --> 00:46:04,765
easier by being back to
lyrics and music and emotion,

916
00:46:04,945 --> 00:46:07,165
and hopefully it'll
penetrate better. Yeah.

917
00:46:07,565 --> 00:46:09,565
- Brilliant, brilliant. There's
one other thing I wanted

918
00:46:09,565 --> 00:46:12,925
to ask you about, which is
your music being on the moon.

919
00:46:13,145 --> 00:46:16,605
- Oh, <laugh>. Well, okay,

920
00:46:16,945 --> 00:46:18,445
so it's been a long time coming.

921
00:46:18,515 --> 00:46:22,245
That idea was dreamt up,
oh goodness me, maybe about

922
00:46:23,315 --> 00:46:24,465
three or four years ago.

923
00:46:24,685 --> 00:46:29,485
Um, okay, so Nicole Stott,
it's a husband, Christo

924
00:46:30,155 --> 00:46:33,325
Lone Star, um, obviously he's just, um,

925
00:46:33,545 --> 00:46:35,245
had a successful launch moon launch

926
00:46:35,385 --> 00:46:39,965
and the payload on that, um, was a,

927
00:46:40,345 --> 00:46:43,325
was was some data that was being offered

928
00:46:43,345 --> 00:46:44,605
to some creative artists.

929
00:46:44,745 --> 00:46:47,325
And he approached me about
having the conductor score

930
00:46:47,825 --> 00:46:50,685
of the Moon Symphony on the payload.

931
00:46:50,905 --> 00:46:54,685
Um, so yes, the digital, uh,
copy of the Moon Symphony, um,

932
00:46:55,105 --> 00:46:57,685
is sitting on the moon right
now, which is kind of fun.

933
00:46:58,065 --> 00:47:02,285
But I think Andrew, again,
beyond fun, um, I, I've said

934
00:47:02,285 --> 00:47:03,685
to Nicole, like, when she's talking

935
00:47:03,685 --> 00:47:06,045
to the audience in Chicago, you know,

936
00:47:06,505 --> 00:47:09,205
it might be a really helpful thing

937
00:47:09,865 --> 00:47:12,125
to just state that fact.

938
00:47:12,685 --> 00:47:14,565
Actually the music you're hearing
tonight is actually on the

939
00:47:14,565 --> 00:47:15,805
moon right now because the whole concept

940
00:47:15,825 --> 00:47:17,765
of the seventh movement is to

941
00:47:18,285 --> 00:47:20,765
transport humanity onto
the surface of our moon

942
00:47:21,275 --> 00:47:23,485
looking down onto our planet.

943
00:47:23,625 --> 00:47:25,365
And it's all about perspective shifts

944
00:47:25,365 --> 00:47:26,525
and the overview effect.

945
00:47:26,625 --> 00:47:30,005
And, and so I just think if
they can make that connection

946
00:47:30,035 --> 00:47:32,205
that physically they're
experiencing the music,

947
00:47:32,265 --> 00:47:34,525
but hang on, we are getting transported

948
00:47:34,525 --> 00:47:35,925
through the vibrations of music,

949
00:47:35,985 --> 00:47:37,925
but actually the score is up there anyway.

950
00:47:38,565 --> 00:47:40,085
I just, I don't know, I
just think it's a really

951
00:47:40,085 --> 00:47:41,285
nice sort of overlap.

952
00:47:41,515 --> 00:47:43,805
It's awesome. And that just
happened very recently actually,

953
00:47:43,825 --> 00:47:46,365
but it's been a long time
coming 'cause it got delayed.

954
00:47:46,505 --> 00:47:48,725
It was meant to be launched,
uh, back in December.

955
00:47:48,945 --> 00:47:52,085
And, you know, um, SpaceX has, you know,

956
00:47:52,275 --> 00:47:53,485
lots of things going on right now.

957
00:47:53,545 --> 00:47:56,525
So, but that was really
fun, finally, that happened.

958
00:47:56,625 --> 00:47:58,605
Um, yeah, like I said,
it's a long time coming,

959
00:47:58,665 --> 00:48:00,765
but it's, it's a pretty cool idea to know

960
00:48:00,765 --> 00:48:01,805
that it's up on the moon.

961
00:48:09,505 --> 00:48:11,765
I'm putting together the video
that's going to accompany

962
00:48:11,765 --> 00:48:13,685
that seventh movement right now.

963
00:48:13,905 --> 00:48:16,525
And, um, there are some stunning, uh,

964
00:48:16,835 --> 00:48:18,245
literally got right in front of me,

965
00:48:18,245 --> 00:48:19,285
Andrew, 'cause I'm working on it.

966
00:48:19,285 --> 00:48:22,085
And I'm not talking to you <laugh> I'll,

967
00:48:22,395 --> 00:48:25,485
some stunning images that
I'm putting from the, uh,

968
00:48:26,005 --> 00:48:27,205
er <inaudible> orbiter.

969
00:48:27,315 --> 00:48:30,245
There's apps. And so the
audience will just begin

970
00:48:30,245 --> 00:48:34,245
with the music and just
see these glorious, um,

971
00:48:34,245 --> 00:48:38,365
videos coming back from that,
which I think people help sort

972
00:48:38,365 --> 00:48:41,125
of set the mood for that
<laugh> for that mood

973
00:48:41,185 --> 00:48:44,405
and set the stage from
the science space energy

974
00:48:44,405 --> 00:48:47,405
of the others to, to this
more reflective experience.

975
00:48:52,865 --> 00:48:56,685
- Amanda Lee Falkenberg, the
Moon's Symphony is recorded

976
00:48:56,705 --> 00:48:58,125
by the London Symphony Orchestra

977
00:48:58,225 --> 00:49:00,325
and is available on Signum records.

978
00:49:01,185 --> 00:49:04,045
I'd like to thank Signum for
allowing us to play clips of

979
00:49:04,045 --> 00:49:05,365
that recording on the podcast.

980
00:49:06,025 --> 00:49:08,765
And I'd like to thank Amanda
for taking the time out to talk

981
00:49:08,765 --> 00:49:12,125
to me as she prepares for
that concert in Chicago.

982
00:49:12,495 --> 00:49:13,525
We'll be back next month

983
00:49:13,525 --> 00:49:15,725
with something else from this
wonderful world of physics.

984
00:49:15,985 --> 00:49:19,525
And I'd like to thank you very
much for listening. <silence>

985
00:49:24,315 --> 00:49:25,445
- Physics
- World.