1093: A Solid Wide Receiver Class

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Speaker 1: This is the Labor Podcast with your host JJ zacherthas J J.

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Speaker 2: Zacher reson.

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, It's JJ zacharyesin in this episode ten ninety three of the Late Round Fantasy Football Podcast. Thanks for tuning in. You've now heard episodes on the quarterback and running back classes. To wrap up the series, We've got one more and that's a wide receiver. As I do each year, I pick the brain to my friend Matt Harmon for today's episode. He's an analyst over at Yahoo and he's the owner of Reception Perception of Methodology that he uses for charting wide receivers. We discuss a ton of players in this year's class, and as usual, Matt brings the heat. Now, before we get into that interview, I need to send another reminder. Check out the Late Round Prospect Guide. It's one hundred and seventy pages of analytical information about this year's class and includes information on second year players as well, all for nineteen ninety nine. And if you get the died before the NFL Draft happens, you'll get the post draft version of that guy. Just hours after the NFL Draft ends. It'll be emailed to you. So check it all out lateround dot com. Now here's the interview with my pal, Matt Harmon. Matt, you're on the show every year at this point. I think this is like year four or something like that of you doing the prospecting stuff for the wide receivers. So a lot of people who listen to the show know about reception perception. But if they don't, for whatever reason, explain what you do with reception perception, why it's so important to this wide receiver evaluation process.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So for reception perception, what I do is over an eight game sample for NFL players and college prospects, when enough film is available on the college prospects, I go and I chart every single snap, every single route that they run over that eight game sample. I chart a bunch of different data points. Mostly at what matters is the route data, the success rate, verseuse coverage, which is how often they're getting open excuting their assignments, separating, etc. On those in individual in particular routes against man zone press coverage. I also chart alignment that's not just slot outside, whether they're off the ball, on the ball. It's really trying to give you the full picture of what a wide receiver is in addition to some metrics, I can tested catch data what they're doing in space from a tackle breaking perspective, which I think is really important when we're starting to look at individual receiver archetypes. And why I think this matters is because or why I thought it mattered twelve years ago when I started doing this for NFL and college prospects, is that the goal is to try as best as we can, and it obviously is not a completely possible endeavor because that's not how football works. But try as best as we can to isolate the wide receiver from surrounding variables. Because you know this as somebody that is knee deep in production. Is that production obviously has to come from a lot of other variables going the right way. You know, everything needs to kind of happen in a certain way for a wide receiver to get that production. Obviously, those outside variables matter when we're looking for how does this guy produce? Is he going to be a viable fantasy option? But even the good stats, you know, like yards per outrun, which is a great stat obviously things need to go right for the receiver to get those yards. The receiver needs to go. Things need to go right for the receiver to get those targets. So I think truly the only way you can really isolate a player from all the surrounding variables is to watch every single snap, watch every single route, and try to chart that as best as you can. So really, like, in one way, reception perception is just like me collecting and showing you my work from the last twelve years that I've been doing this so that we can compare individual players to each other, classes to each other, and everything like that.

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Speaker 1: Can we also have a really quick discussion This can be a minute long, but you mentioned it, yeah, yeah, but sure, yeah, it's never a minute long where like I feel like there is this notion out there, whether you're coming from an even opened up the Prospect Guide with this, uh, with this discussion this year in the Prospect Guide. But talking about how film lies, talking about how numbers lie, guys they both lie. It's up to the end we're we're trying to directionally get to the right place, right, and that that's what reception perception is doing. It's taking things to a different level in order to directionally get to the right place. It's not to say that everything I do from a production standpoint is going to be flawless, and that it's going to be right, and that it's like the result is going to end up a certain way, and the same thing with you. What I think is important is that there are different methodologies. You know, I talked to Matt Waldman on Perspectives that dropped last week. Uh, and you know on that show, we like you can find two polar opposite people in terms of how we're approaching prospecting me and him. But to me, if you find common ground on a player, or if or if what I'm seeing is similar to what you're seeing, to me, that's probably getting us closer to the right answer with the player.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I think I've always said this that reception perception is not like some skeleton key, right, And anyone who out there who is selling their services as some sort of skeleton key, you should run away from that person as fast as you possibly can. I encourage on my show. I've cited you in my write ups many times, like I think, and I've said this to you when I had you on Reception Perception the show earlier this year. I think you're the best data based prospector out there. So I encourage my subscribers and people who read my stuff to buy your draft guide and compare our notes and contrast like where we, you know, are different, because I think that's the best way that you're gonna get in the right Like, I think that that's a really good way of saying it. In that like, am I always going to walk you through the front door of the house, Not necessarily, but I'm at least going to get you on the right street hopefully right, you know, like I'm gonna get you trying to get you in the neighborhood of these players essentially, And like for me, yeah, like I don't I don't think reception perception is flawless. I don't think any methodology is flawless. And like there's gonna be some you wouldn't even know, I mean unless you were in the room with the coach that drew up the play and all this stuff, like you're not gonna there's always things that you're not gonna know and everything like that. So yeah, I think the enemy of good is perfect and ulto. Like what we're what we're trying to do is try to do this the best that we can, and I think that as long as you come out with that with you know, some humility and some grace and like I did a whole video on my YouTube channel recently talking about like my five biggest misses from the last few classes, which is that super fun? No, but it's the reality, Like everybody knows it. It's out there on the internet. So yeah, I mean, I think both of us have a good level head when it comes to this stuff that you know, we're not perfect and nobody is out there.

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Speaker 1: I think it's also important before we get into this discussion that you and I throughout like basically when January hits and we start really prospecting stuff. Like we're friends, We text about this stuff. We talk about this stuff pretty freequently, and so hopefully this discussion that you guys are about to listen to is more of just that as opposed to like, you know, some really processed and button up You know, I know that you guys over at Yahoo are doing your thing, but this is this is late round fantasy football where we can wear gym shorts all the time, you know, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, I'm shoot it up over here for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all right, we let's talk about this class.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, how would you compare this class as a whole compared to you know, some of the recent ones that we've seen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So one of the exercises I do is I keep stacked rankings on my site. And this is from twenty twenty one, which is the year the reception not the your reception perception started, but the site started. So when those prospects started hitting that particular site, I just started ranking those guys every single class. So I think it's a really good way to kind of refer back to different classes and how I viewed different classes as when we're looking at the current group here, and I think when you look at it through that lens, there's no what I would call tier one wide receiver prospect, which is Malik Neighbors. You know, was one of those guys. Marvin Harrison Junior. I know it hasn't worked out in the NFL perfectly just yet, but he was one of those guys. I also would have said, like a Garrett Wilson, a Chris o'lave, advante Smith, a Drake London, like those guys are tier one receiver prospects. To me, we don't necessarily have one of those guys in this class. Like you can set it and forget it. Take this guy in the top ten, if not top five picks. Jamar Chase would obviously be one of these players as well. You can take this guy in the top five, top ten picks in every single draft class. That's not necessarily what we have here. However, I think we have a really good group of what i'd call tier two and tier three receiver prospects that can go inside the first round, and some of them you know, more late one, early round two type of guys. Obviously, I'm not ranking the full class with every single position. That's way outside my pay grade. But when I talk to people who do that sort of exercise, this is not a class overall that is super filled with, you know, clear round one grades. Like I just had Dane Brugler on my show, and he's the I only think he has like fifteen true first round grades in this year's class. So it's kind of befitting of that entire that that entire group of what the whole class is is what the wide receiver group is, which is I don't think we have like one true, true, true stud as we've had in some previous years. But I think we've got a really good group of tier two receiver prospects, which by the way, is not bad at all. Like just a couple of guys I've ranked in Tier two, you know, somewhat recently, like jsn was a Tier two prospect to me. I thought Tedoro McMillan was a Tier two prospect. So some really good Jalen Wattle a Tier two prospect, Like really good players have been in that second tier and it just kind of takes a few breaks and maybe a little bit of development for some of those guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that, you know, what I'm seeing from a modeling perspective is pretty similar. I've talked about it on the show, especially when you align it with like projected draft capital at this point, like we're right now, if you look at you know, like NFL mock draft database, the amount of Day one and Day two wider s that are projected now to be fair, I remember doing this exercise I think last year or the year before that, and it was pretty similar and then we didn't.

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Speaker 3: Get as much you know, day one, Day two, But.

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Speaker 1: Right now it's projected to basically be the highest that we've seen tied for the highest that we've.

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Speaker 3: Seen since like twenty eleven. So like, but I think that that aligns with what I'm like.

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Speaker 1: I see a lot of average to above average profiles for you know, round two, round three type players, and like you said, if it is a weaker class elsewhere, it might just push these guys naturally up the board a little bit. And I know that people are gonna start yelling at me, being like, oh, well, draft capital is one of your inputs, and how do you account for that?

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Speaker 3: And you don't, I mean I can't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna ask you about I was gonna ask you about that because that's something I've thought a lot about actually with wide receivers, and it's sort of dovetail dovetails into a conversation that you and I had earlier this year on my show about you know, how many how I think there's too many good wide receivers in the league. And part of that how it affects drafting and draft prospecting is that I think we could debate whether some of those guys that are gonna get pushed up the board, you know, whether if there's gonna be like eleven seventeen guys taking in the top one hundred picks or whatever. Are they actually top one hundred prospects or is it just like you look at a wide receiver and you're like, I know how to incorporate that into my NFL offense. Like there's a guy in Omar Cooper Junior who could go in the first round this year that you know, I kind of waffle on whether he's like is he a clear first round players? You more round two round two border, But like, I know that evaluators are gonna look at it and be like, well, I know exactly how that applies to an NFL offense. You see what I'm saying, So like, yeah, of course I think that that that could. Do you ever think about that from because I think about a lot of ways where the game has changed and the league has changed, Like, Okay, these inputs from a reception perception standpoint matter more than they did four or five years ago. And I just wonder from like a database perspective when we're looking at like draft capital and things like that, and just like the like even the quality of competition at wide receiver rooms in college football, Like does that sort of stuff change how you might look at it from a data perspective down the line.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, I would say this though with the draft capital thing, you know, I think there's a difference between what I'm modeling for and what you're looking at and charting in a way that you're doing more talent evaluation work right with that, Like like not to say that you're not going to evaluate like fit and stuff once they get drafted or like what they're gonna do in fantasy, but like this model is quite literally aiming towards projecting two of their you know, their their two best seasons out of their first three in the NFL. And so if there's a team that says, you know, look, if a team reaches there's a lot of data that suggests that reaching for a wide receiver based on mock draft data, you know, like too two at well, going way ahead of.

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Speaker 3: Where we expect them to go.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of data like research it says that I've done that says, hey, this guy is it's a little bit scary to go after this player. But if you're talking like ten spots in the second or third you know, day two spots that's not a big deal if they're you know, quote unquote reaching like for that. And then to your point where it's like, Okay, a team really wants Omar Cooper and maybe they're drafting him twenty first overall. I have no idea who's going twenty first overall or what team is drafting there, but twenty first overall versus you know, thirtieth overall or something like that, where yes, there is a tangible difference there.

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Speaker 3: But if you're saying that they're doing.

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Speaker 1: That because they have a way that they want to deploy him and use him and they like his fit, that could be good for fantasy football because that means that they have a plan for this player. Where and I'm not saying that's flawless, because certainly teams draft players thinking that they have a plan for them and then they have no idea what they're doing with them, right, And so yeah, I think it just goes back to our conversation of like being directionally right. Yeah, you know, the draft capital stuff, to me is just an inherent evaluation of a team in a front office that's putting millions and millions of dollars into this process and us getting that for free, and I can back test it and say, hey, this has been relatively now.

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Speaker 3: I do think I did an entire episode.

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Speaker 1: I do think that part of draft capital is a little bit overblown in the way that people view it where they're sometimes people are almost too strict with draft capital and the ways they view it, you know, especially whenever you get into like late round one versus early round two.

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Speaker 3: Oh, he's a round one pool. Not all round one.

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Speaker 1: Players are the same, or you know, it's just there's a lot of nuance to it, which is why I think modeling can be so impactful and helpful, because you're actually able to properly weigh all these factors, or at least properly weigh in the minds of you know, how you're evaluating things and how the model's looking at things.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, like there's no perfect way to do it. Similar to your.

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Speaker 1: Teammate comment, where like I have teammates score, but I don't have teammates score for underclassmen because I have no clue.

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Speaker 3: Objectively, like we.

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Speaker 1: Can say, Jeremiah Smith is going to be really really good now, he's going to be a top five draft pick, all that, right, But Jeremis, I have no clue, like, like, we can use him as an example, but there are other players, other wide receivers who aren't as obvious, and the majority of them aren't as obvious, which makes it really hard to say, oh, this was a good competition, this was bad competition, because the main way that I use teammates score is by looking at draft capital itself.

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Speaker 3: Right, So if a team, if a player played with a teammate.

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Speaker 1: That had good draft capital, then I'm able to say, oh, then he played with a teammate that was that was pretty good overall. But you can't do that for guys who were you know, underclassmen and stuff, because it's just I'm sure there are ways, you know, I'm sure you could look at like their their current I just there's a that's a lot of nuance and work to really figure that stuff out to the point where like even teammates score now doesn't get an insane amount of signal to begin with. So I don't want to go down that path and waste time when I could be using that time, you know, to to build out other things with the with the model and look at more predictive data and stuff. But yeah, I mean it just goes It goes back to what we were saying before that this is a let's just get in the right spots.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, instead of that, it's a fluid process.

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Speaker 2: Like I mean, again, things are changing all the time, the league is changing, We're finding which inputs really really matter and and things of that nature. So yeah, no, it makes a ton of sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that a lot of this for me is like finding the players, not as you don't have to nail the individual player and be like this is exactly what he's going to be. But there are ways to find these red flags that you know, make you avoid certain players. So with that being said, you mentioned that you don't see a true like alpha alpha in this class. The model would probably disagree just because Jordan Tyson's analytical profile is so good. I understand the concerns though, especially on the injury front, but I want to hear your concerns from from charting him, because you're definitely lower on This is probably our biggest point of contention, uh this year with from from a prospecting standpoint, and it's it's he's probably one of the most polarizing prospects in this class in general at this point.

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Speaker 3: So I want to hear what you have to say about Jordan Tyson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Like it seems like there's a wide variety of opinions on Tyson. Now for me, just overall, before we start to kind of pick apart the nitty gritty, you know, details of him from a reception perception standpoint, I do want to say that I like him, like I don't. I don't dislike him, I don't hate him. You know, I still have him as a guy that you can take in the first round. You know, He's not Xavior leget or something. No, right, He's not like Xavier Legett or Kadarius Tony even a guy well, I mean, I think he probably falls into that kind of volatile prospect bucket, but not like.

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Speaker 3: The oh my god, I can't believe they took that guy there, Yeah, right.

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Speaker 2: Right, like you can understand the ceiling out. Yeah, oh, one thousand percent. Like there's a very real path for him to be the best receiver in this class, Like whereas some of those guys we just talked about. Even I was gonna say, I was going to say even a guy like Trailon Burks when he came out, was a guy that I probably would have said, like I was lower on than consensus, just because I didn't see a path for him being like the first receiver in his class based on you know, the other guys in the class were just way better than him. In twenty twenty two, now, I like John Dotson in that class, and obviously that didn't work out, So I don't know everything.

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Speaker 3: I mean, has had a better career than Treylon Burks, to be fair.

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Speaker 2: Did win a super Bowl, super Bowl winner, super winning wide receiver. You can never take it away from Johan Dotson. But no, Yeah, but Burkes was a guy that I think needed the right type of deployment for him to work out, and he just absolutely objectively did not get that. And I think Tyson probably is in that bucket, but it's not quite the same. So some of the positives for Tyson from a reception perception standpoint, like he has the number one success rate ver his own coverage in the class of all the prospects that I started, eighty ninth percentile. He's up there with some really really top prospects. So since the twenty twenty one class, only Travis Hunter, Garrett Wilson, the aforementioned Johan dots and didn't plan that, and Drake London have finished higher from a success rate versus zone coverage standpoint. Obviously, that's pretty good company from a prospect standpoint, Like, I think that's where his route running and his fluidity is best expressed. The things that are difficult with him. You know, there's been like a weird kind of cycle of people because of the you know, anonymous scouts that Bob McGinn gets and tied done reports on and stuff like that, which is great work, but you know about like questioning his toughness or whatever. And I think I think we're just kind of over indexing on the word toughness because I think some of the things that he struggles with, like I don't think he's great playing the ball and tight coverage. He gets tackled on first contact all the time. Yeah, terrible miss stacks for the rector. Yeah, he goes down on first contact all the time. And they give him a lot of like design touches stuff, which probably does influence the success rate versus zone coverage number to a degree, like how much stuff he's getting at or around the like line of scrimmage, but he also struggles, in my opinion, against press cover, especially when it's like physical combative situations. That doesn't mean that he's soft or he's not tough. I just think from a technique and a timing standpoint, that does need to get better. I think like he could be a little bit more combative in those ways. And I think from a route running standpoint, he's just got a lot of like wasted needless motion. You know, he's got a lot of these kind of jitterbug like movements at the top of his route, which like, okay, that looks good in like a one on like a zone coverage situation or you know, an off coverage moment, but like when we're actually one on one in isolated coverage, you're wasting time in that situation and you end up more so covered than not. Like the moves become too predictable because they're not just decisive. Like when he's one foot in the ground and goes, he can create a lot of separation. I think you see that on his route chart on routes like posts, digs, and outs, but the route shortened to the line of scrimmage, the more vertical route tree that's where he doesn't perform as well. So I kind of think again, just from an overall reception perception standpoint, he probably projects best in like a movement Z roll And I do worry that because he's sixty two and over two hundred pounds, like he could end up being one of those guys that gets tossed into the X receiver spot. I wouldn't like that as much for him. I would. I would like to see him moved around over the across the formation as like a Z and get some slot stuff too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, look, I'll say this.

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Speaker 1: I said this before on another show, whether it was on this feed or not, But I am kind of surprised that Jordan Tyson is not the consensus wide receiver one in the fantasy space because people people lean.

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Speaker 3: So analytically heavy, you know, in this.

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Speaker 1: Space, and yet he's the wide receiver three by most like ADPs and stuff and rookie rankings and such. But I'm surprised by that because you know, like his age adjusted production, I don't think a wide receiver comes close in this class.

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Speaker 3: You look at his journey, you know, like his freshman.

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Speaker 1: Year in Colorado, he leads the team in receiving in nine games before he had that crazy bad injury and then obviously doesn't really play the second year. Comes back to third year, and that third season was the best analytical season in my opinion, in this entire class, Like the way that he performed before he went down again that was the collarbone that year. And then you know, last year, even his production was really strong until that hamstring injury happened, and then and then things started to kind of taper off a little bit. But like his breakout score, which is, you know, my adjusted receiving yards per team pass attemph metric ninety ninth percentile.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's absurd, right, His his career yards.

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Speaker 1: Per out run eighty ninth percentile, first downs per route run ninety third percentile. That's career his best season in yards per tem pass atten ninety fourth percentile. Like you know, out wide yards per out run eighty fifth percentile. Like like, there's just so many good marks with Tyson that I I'm going to have a hard time not having him as my wide receiver one post draft, Like I talked about this on a mailbag show.

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Speaker 3: Like even if he goes like early round two I don't think is going to happen. I think he's going to be around one guy.

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Speaker 1: The model it's treating him similarly, the model is as it treated Luther Burden last year. Now, I think Burden obviously has hit a pretty good outcome so far, but also found the right spot for that kind of thing to happen, and so I have to I have to keep that in mind with a player like Tyson. You know that that I do think that, you know, there's enough negativity out there that this is probably not a alpha alpha type situation where it's just so obvious that we got to, you know, get this guy.

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Speaker 3: But there's obviously the injury stuff too.

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Speaker 1: I think the injury stuff is the reason why people are questioning toughness too.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that, oh yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: I guess, but like I mean, he played through injuries, yeah yeah, yeah, which, by the way, I think he was worse off for it. I think I mentioned this to you like a month ago or so, that he's one of the rare guys where I had to chart multiple seasons because like the twenty twenty five season was so injury ruined. And again it's like our some of the you know what games can you get and stuff like that, that where he's not available and everything of that. So like, I think he was better in twenty twenty four than he was in twenty twenty five, like the player, and now from a catch point standpoint, he was probably worse in twenty four than he was in twenty five. But I think you can kind of take that two different ways. In one way, it's like, oh, well, yeah, when he's not playing through hamstring injury, which he was, he's really really good. The other way is is like, is this already a guy that's like wearing down physically because he's had so many injuries, which I do kind of worry about. But yeah, there's a lot of positive with Tyson, and I think there's a real chance he could be the first receiver, like when we talk about fantasy production his first three years, especially because once we like once we get to Carnal Tait, it's almost a weird way where we'll talk about we'll talk about when we get to Tate, but like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just let's just talk about Tate now, talk about talk about the differences here.

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Speaker 2: So I think the interesting like for an NFL prospecting standpoint, I think it's so easy to just say Carnel Tate's the best receiver in this class because he fits all thirty two offenses, And like, everybody needs a player like Carnel Tate every offense. I don't care what you're doing, whether you're one of these heavy condensed offenses or you're more of a spread out attack. Everybody needs and everybody needs a wide receiver who can line up on the perimeter and run the vertical route tree and beat man coverage. And that is what Carnel Tate does exceptionally well. Seventh best success rate versus man coverage. It's the twenty twenty one class. Like this guy gets open on all the big boy routes. There's no schemed up Mickey Mouse stuff underneath. Like he's running real deal routes and he catches absolutely everything. He's got a wide catch radius. He is like the most esthetically pleasing player to watch catch the football I can remember over the last few years with just everything that he does from an attack standpoint, from a technique standpoint, and yeah, like that's a really clean evaluation. Now from a fantasy standpoint, we have seen some of these more and I don't know if Tate's gonna end up being one of these guys, but we've seen the guys who have been more of the on ball perimeter receivers kind of have a real hit and miss production profile based on the quarterback that they're playing with, just because some of those routes are designed to open things up for other players and some of the more like layup targets go to other players. So Tate could be a guy who I mean it goes like to the Chiefs and nine or something like, Yeah, that's perfect. That's the exact type of receiver that they need, but it's also the exact type of receiver they never pursue. So I don't even know if I want to imagine that that's going to happen, but like, yeah, that would be great, But what if he goes to another spot where he's, you know, the on ball perimeter receiver the quarterback who can't really access those throws, if that makes sense. So yeah, I do think there's a real chance where it's like, Okay, going into the draft, he's going to be not in a tier of his own, but I think just comfortably my wide receiver one because the evaluation is so clean to all thirty two teams whatever. But coming out of the draft, there's a real chance that it could be tighter between him and several of the other guys behind him, Tyson included.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't you argue that that, I mean that he experienced that in college that like, you know, like the the the the quarterback matching, the the like leaving production on the field but not his fault, you know that that kind of stuff, And like that's part of the the part of the question I have with Tate is, of course, like we have this now backing of all these great Ohio state wide receivers, to me analytically, like he has the worst breakout score of the guys who have come out recently.

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Speaker 3: Like even Abuka had a little bit better of a breakout score than Carnel Tate did.

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Speaker 1: And and the model likes Abuka, Like, you know, if they were to have the same draft capital, it's say, it's gonna like Tate a little bit more just because the draft capital is probably gonna be better. But but it does like him the least of those Ohio state wide receivers.

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Speaker 3: That being said, there's some really really good wide receivers that have come out so like this, this is amongst really good players, like I like Carnel Tate.

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Speaker 1: My thing is is is what you said that scares me is is you know, like this type of wide receiver fits anywhere. But I do wonder you like even in college, Like his best season in target share is twenty two percent. That's a thirtyieth percentile number among wide receivers in the Zapmodel database. Now you can say, oh, he had competition, et cetera, et cetera. I mean the other Ohio State guys had competition too, and they were putting together better target share numbers than that. And so my I said this to Waldman basically, like could this just be a situation where he's better in real football than fantasy? Because I look at him and contrast him to McKay lemon, and I think m kay Lemon really looks like the type of player that can just dominate and just get so much volume in fantasy football that he could just dominate and scam in PPR and be good. Obviously, you know, I'm obviously we're gonna think about Anamena ros Saint Brown when we're talking about this, like be a good wide receiver, but in the right spot, he could absolutely dominate.

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Speaker 3: Is that what you're seeing with him with reception perception?

00:28:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that Tait has the higher like NFL floor because again some of these application things, But I think Lemon has a higher production and probably a higher fantasy ceiling if he goes to the right spot. And also I think it's funny with the Aman ross Saint Brown comp like people talk about aman Rossaint Brown as if he hasn't improved it all since like the back of his rookie year. It's so stupid, like, yeah, Amon Rad was like a slot merchant, you know, early on in his career. He's not. He hasn't been that guy for probably at least two maybe two and a half years now at this point. So it's like when we're when we're comparing, and I look, I think mackay Lemon compared like he compares himself to aman Rossaint Brown. So it's not like we're we're doing anything unfair. He's bringing that on to himself. I also think, like my pet theory is that he did the whole like weird head tilting thing at the combined interview because he was like doing a weird Amon ra Saint Brown cosplay, like how he's like a very intense guy, very serious. He was trying to do that, and it's just it's like Dylan Royola when he was doing the Patrick Mahomes comparison, Like the impression. It's just like this is kind of a weird funhouse mirror, like a washed up Elvis version of like an impersonator. That's what my that's my pet theory on that. Nobody cares anyway. But but for Lemon, it's like, weeah, where are we comparing him on the Alan Ross Saint Brown like career arc But yeah, I mean I think if he goes to a system that you know he is either a spread out attack like I think about him in the Saints where they used a ton of three plus receiver sets and they motioned these guys around so that everybody gets some slot reps. O Lave got slot reps last year when Shahid was on the field, he got slot reps de Von Valley at the end of the season, he got reps out of the slot as a bigger player. Juan Johnson even was like a true slot at times for this team. I think that would be a good fit for him. Or if it's a team that really condenses things and kind of blurs the lines between like a slot and outside receiver, like which is what the uh Seahawks did with Jackson Smith and Jiggro last year. Like Jaya Senath thought, I think Jayson's a better prospect than Makaile Lemon, but like they both show some of the same abilities to win against man coverage in tighter spaces. So yeah, if Lemon goes to the right spot, he can absolutely end up being like the Dynasty wide receiver one post draft. It's just obviously going to depend on that spot.

00:31:03
Speaker 1: I also think that the slot talk with him, we probably should just I want to ask you about this a little bit because I've kind of grown tired of like the binary way that people are looking at slot versus non slot, where it's like, like, is this guy a slot guy? Okay, Like I say we say this every year, I feel like on the show, But like when we say a player is a slot guy, he's not playing one hundred he's not running a hundred percent of his routes out of the slot, and he's not like like the purest slot players in the league. Some of them, sure when they have a limited route share and stuff. They're playing like ninety ninety five percent. Sure, But like when you think of like slot guy in the NFL, some people will go to like Keenan Allen over the last decade, where like he played inside out guys like he's still Yeah, it's like a fifty to fifty type thing. It's just that in those scenarios where you had a formation and personality you were able to throw a guy in the slot, he was the one that was playing. See he Lamb plays a lot in the slot, right Like this is no one's gonna call him a slot receiver. So I understand that McKay lemon is is. I mean, I'm certainly not compying him to CD Lamb. They're nothing alike. But uh, with McKay lemon, yes, he had a high slot rate in college, but at the same time it was an eighty eighth percentile rate, seventy six percent slot rate. But to me, when you look at players in the first round that have had high slot rates historically Jalen Wattle, Jackson Smith and Jig but they've they've panned out fine and they've been a mecha BUCA.

00:32:24
Speaker 3: People thought where it was only going to be.

00:32:26
Speaker 1: Slot too right where like like again, I mean, I think the Buccaneers are just they do things oddly with when it comes to a wide receiver alignment. You know, they drafted Jalen McMillan and threw him on the outside. They draft a mecha Buka and throw them. I mean, they're they're thriving, doing fine, so like I can't really fault them, but well.

00:32:43
Speaker 2: I was gonna say they're one of those teams that really blurs the line exactly what's a slot and what's not exactly And I mean, listen, I've I've been pretty strict but like not changing like my charting process, because I want to be able to compare across classes and cross years in the NFL, like I've been doing this since twenty fourteen. Like I want that process to be pretty consistent that we can compare historically and really know what things are telling us. The one thing I've ever had, like a real existential crisis about changing is alignment, especially with how teams are moving guys around at the snap right now. The Bucks are a perfect example. If you watch the Bucks the last couple of years, Mike Evans will be the condensed like he'll be condensed closer to the offensive line or like the tackle or what tight end or whatever. Then you know your ex receiver typically was but he's outside on the ball. But then you've got Jalen McGowan like running at the snap and he's like right here next to him, to the point that then when McMillan breaks like he's breaking on the outside breaking route where Mike Mike Evans is breaking inside, it's like, Okay, was that really an outside receiver rep? I mean, essentially, yes, at the snap of the ball, he is outside on the ball, but like teams are doing that now to blur these lines anyways, which I do think specifically with Lemon, he's the type of guy. And I think JSN was this type of guy too, because and Abuka was a little bit less of a man beater than JSN and Makayle Lemon was when they were entering the league. But these guys showed the ability to win against man coverage in ways is like, Okay, this guy can survive on the field and be an outside receiver in those sort of situations. I kind of think the analysis with Lemon in particular has been a little bit antiquated. Like, yes, that's the where I think we're both coming down here, is that like, oh, he's a slot based player, you can't take it. There's so many good slot based players that are smoking the league right now from a production standpoint, And I mean you could say, like, yeah, these guys are easier to find. I mean, there's gonna be guys available in this draft. There are like plenty, you know, credible X receiver candidates. It just depends the development path.

00:34:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean for what it's worth. And I know I mentioned that he had a really high slot rate, which he did, and so these numbers can be skewed by big plays. But he had the highest out wide yards baraut run rate in this clab ninety eighth percentile, which is crazy when when you consider the way that people are sort of framing him, like, oh, you can't take a slot How many times over the last five years have we heard you can't take a slot wide receiver in the first round, and then that wide receiver ends up being very, very productive in the NFL.

00:35:16
Speaker 3: I mean it seems like it's been a pretty consistent theme.

00:35:18
Speaker 2: Now.

00:35:19
Speaker 1: If his if his draft capital were to fall to like mid round two and into round three, that would be different.

00:35:24
Speaker 3: It's not. It's just not gonna happen.

00:35:25
Speaker 1: Like he's going to more than likely be like a potentially like a mid first round pick, like the other team that whenever we were talking about the Bucks, the other team like that is like the Rams, right, Like, yeah, if LA gets McKay lemon, you should feel unbelievably confident they're going to know how to deploy mckaye lemon.

00:35:41
Speaker 3: You know, like that that that match is there. So yeah.

00:35:45
Speaker 1: I think what's really cool though about these wide receivers is that each one is just really different in what a team could do with them. And that even extends to Casey Concepcion, who I know, you like a good bit.

00:35:56
Speaker 3: I like a good bit.

00:35:57
Speaker 1: I like more than the way that other analytically minded analysts are talking about him on Twitter and on X But talk to me about conceptsion and why you like.

00:36:07
Speaker 2: Him so much?

00:36:08
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean this is like my god, this year, I love this player.

00:36:11
Speaker 2: He's the best separator in the class, easily a ninety second percentile success rate verse man eighty seven percentile success rate versus press at just about six foot one hundred and ninety six pounds, like very much not at risk in my opinion of being like a Jayden Reid type, and like I love Jayden Reid, and I think he's of this access of player, but obviously at his size and with his skill set, he's never quite been able to be like a full snapshare type of player. I think Conceptsion is much more in the bucket of someone who can really win against pressman coverage, and you see him do it against great corners in college football too. He's definitely somebody that you have to talk about the drops. You also have to talk about the quarterback play, which was very up and down for the for the Texas A and M program last year. Also sharing the field with a really good player. I mentioned you said you couldn't do like the underclassman type stuff, but I understand the craver the other wide receivers really good there too. But yeah, Casey concepttion On just on from a separation standpoint, from a route by route standpoint, he's he's such a good separator and a good route runner. Like I think there are times last year talking about Travis Hunter where it's like he was a great separator, but probably didn't have like the nuances down of like route running just yet. I think Casey, even though he was like a you know, forty carry player in his first year in gallege football, very much has like the nuances of the position down. Obviously, again, you have to talk about the drops and the way he kind of has a weird way of attacking the football at the catch point. He kind of claps at it. He's also got bad habits of like losing focus before he transitions to a run after catch player. He'll leave the feats, leave his feet sometimes to make catches, which sometimes you get ask like is he not super confident in his hands? Is he thinking about it before? Again, he tries to secure the catches because he knows he has a drop problem. That's that's just you know, kind of the deal with a player like this. But I can't really remember too many players JJ that like checked every other box but they dropped the football and like that ruined their careers. Usually people who are like, oh, he dropped a lot of he dropped a lot of passes, like he's gonna fallow the league because they usually follow the lead because they actually couldn't do anything else.

00:38:16
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, well, my my favorite thing too, not only with with drops. Is it annoying when people only cite raw drops because obviously players who are being targeted more are going to drop the ball more. But also when you see like bar grafts and stuff and charts that that show like like to scal like like.

00:38:34
Speaker 3: He might only drop four more passes across the season. I know.

00:38:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's it's like we're talking much. There's not that many plays that we're talking about here.

00:38:42
Speaker 1: There's so much variance to that kind of number that I just don't I literally, like you, I don't think there's a single reference of like drops or drop rate in the prospect guide because it's just not.

00:38:53
Speaker 3: Going to carry enough weight.

00:38:54
Speaker 1: I mean to me, if it does carry weight, it's probably gonna be projected in draft or like reflected in draft capital. Yeah, you know, like if a team's like, oh, I don't want to get him because he drops the ball too much, and that's the tiebreaker.

00:39:04
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, like I I agree with this.

00:39:06
Speaker 2: That's such a good point that you brought that up, because like, yeah, there are guys who have just no ball skills and like they're I think it's funny we don't want to just be like slaves or to draft capital or whatever. But you are right that, like if a guy just absolutely he can't. Now Quintin Johnson is maybe the exception of this. So like maybe maybe I'm wrong about this, but if we're talking about like top twenty type projected draft capital, the guy probably doesn't have like true ball skill issues. And same thing with separation, Like this is something comes up every single year. Drake Clundon, can he separate? We're not talking about a top ten pick if he if he can't separate, like yeah, right Tenoro McMillan last year, can he say if he couldn't separate at all, he wouldn't be going in the first round, And you are just like put that to bed.

00:39:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean at least at least again like probability wise, right because obviously you know a team could just be over drafted and.

00:40:00
Speaker 3: Just be wrong. But yeah, it's so similar to the slot stuff we were just talking about.

00:40:03
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, if a team is gonna draft a Kai Lemon in the top fifteen, they're not gonna use them in a.

00:40:08
Speaker 3: Jaden Reid role. Yeah, Josh something that, Yeah, like that's absurd.

00:40:12
Speaker 1: And if they are, it's just they're a horribly run franchise and they're gonna be picking high again the next year. So yeah, I mean, like I, I just I don't want to to focus too heavily when it comes to stuff like drops or whatever that just don't have that much predictive value.

00:40:27
Speaker 2: You know.

00:40:28
Speaker 1: I'm sure at the extremes you might be able to find something, but I just it's it's just not necessary in my opinion. The thing that gets me with Concepcion you mentioned his rushing production. That's something that the model cares about because it it adds this this talent avow that you know, teams are trying to get this player of the ball because he's probably really dynamic with the ball, and so that's really cool and good. But also again, he's an early declare wide receiver who is not going to compile the same way as a player who's played four or five years in college.

00:41:01
Speaker 3: And it's not an apples to apples thing.

00:41:03
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people see, you know, yards per out run numbers being thrown around Twitter, whether it's career yards per out run or best season yards per out run, and what's missing with that is the context of when that yards per out run number happened. You know, if a player ran one hundred routes his first three years and then ran four hundred his final year and he dominated in yards per out run, it's likely weighed towards that four hundred route run season, and that's when he's more experienced and he's you know, an upperclassman, and he's not casey Conceptsion playing as a freshman in NC State and playing the role that he played, or you know. The other thing too, is that there's plenty of context here where he transfers, plays way more on the outside of A and M, and he thrives. He had his best season in yards per out run, and his perimeter yards per out run in his career was better than a slot yards per out run.

00:41:53
Speaker 3: There's a lot to like here. His breakout scores solid seventy eighth percentile.

00:41:57
Speaker 1: I think Inceptcion is like, I mean, I don't have him in the same tier as the other three. I know you you would put him in the like at least up there with like Tyson. And you have him with like Tyson, and I.

00:42:07
Speaker 2: Have wide receiver too, yeah, right.

00:42:08
Speaker 1: So so so like like, I don't have him in the with the big three, but it's mind blowing to me to put him in the same bucket as some of the other guys we're about to talk about, because I think he's kind of like in his tier, in a tier of his own right now, where the other three just because Tyson again looks really good analytically, I think Tate's gonna get the draft capital and looks pretty strong. Uh. And then Makai Lemon, like we just talked about, has like such a high ceiling in the right spot.

00:42:35
Speaker 3: And then there's Conceptsione, who I just think.

00:42:37
Speaker 1: Is a way better pro no way better, but a relatively better prospect than the other guys here. And one of the other guys that's getting a lot of hype right now is Omar Cooper, And you know, it's.

00:42:47
Speaker 3: An interesting profile.

00:42:49
Speaker 1: But I'm really curious to hear your thoughts on on Cooper and his current rise because literally, like a month and a half ago, a month ago, he was a firmly like a second round pick, and now he's firmly a first.

00:43:01
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think his rise is like a three pronged sort of thing here. One, he was a late addition to the draft class, Like he was very much the one of the last players to declare in the entire class, obviously because of the National Championship, and I like sort of say say this, he was pretty like on the fence about whether he was going to come out or not from the conversation that I had with him, and then he got let's just say, a really good favorable comparison from one particular team to a player that they have that's really really good, and then he's like, Okay, should probably under the draft anyway, So like you're the two point zero version of this player. So then he would have had decided to declare for the draft, So he was a late addition to the class in that way. Two, I think his rise also speaks to what we were talking about earlier, where it's not that strong of a class overall, and I think people like, all right, well, we got to find like twenty first round grades. He's someone that has kind of become one of those final first round grades for people. Because that leads to the third point, like he is a really easy player to look at and say, I know exactly how this is going to help my NFL offense because he's such a he's a very easy player to watch and understand, like, okay, this is the role he's bare minimum going to play for us because he is an exceptional player with the football in his hands, like he is, he's just awesome as a Hey, I'm going to spit the ball out to this guy and he's going to give me plays in space. To that point, I mentioned, I chart in space attempts. He was in space on fifty three percent of his sample catches, which is like, you're in the open field, you have the chance to break a tackle. He went down on first contact on thirty four point eight percent of those in space attempts. He broke multiple tackles on thirty eight four point eight percent. So the rate of plays in which he is going down on first contact and breaking two tackles in the open field, it's very rare that those are the same. Okay, So like, yeah, he's a he's a very very good player at the ball in his hands. So I think that's part of why the rise has happened because bare Minimum you can say, all right, I can I can spit the football out to this guy and he can give me yards after catch plays.

00:45:00
Speaker 1: And I think teams probably value that these days, oh the in particular these days where defenses are built the way that they're built and teams are running the ball a little bit more. You know, there's heavier personnel and they have a player who's versatile like this to take advantage of that makes a lot of sense. I mean, his avoided tackles per reception across his career ninety seven percentile. You know, one of his one of his analytical comps was Deebo Samuel in the Prospect Guide.

00:45:25
Speaker 3: But I know, I know, he's twenty pounds later. I get it, guys, I I that's.

00:45:29
Speaker 2: Not the two point zero version of the players that just.

00:45:33
Speaker 1: The other his His number one, though, is Rashi Rice, which was the one that you and I had talked about. I didn't really love Rashi Rice coming out, to be fair like, I didn't think he was like that fantastic of a prospect.

00:45:44
Speaker 3: That was a miss for me.

00:45:46
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, there, I hated him as a prospect. He's like the third lowest player I've ranked in the Stacked rankings. And again, I just did a video for this on my YouTube channel where I went over my five biggest misses and that was one that I talked about, so I've already propped really made fun of myself for that.

00:46:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I certainly didn't like love Orgie Rice, although there is a YouTube short out there on someone's channel where it was like pre draft thing and I was like hyping him up as like a late round dart and anymore, there you go, they started rising.

00:46:14
Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna point people to that video.

00:46:16
Speaker 2: Just point people to that. And Rice is tough too, because he like played as a outside one side of the field.

00:46:24
Speaker 3: Yes, it's hard.

00:46:25
Speaker 2: It's a vertical X receiver running nines and curls and like that is the complete antithesis of what he does. Yeah, yea fell And to that point though, like if yeah for she sorry, like I'm not saying that this to make my draft grade look better, which was a huge miss and is a you know, black mark on my record, but like if she Rice can do that, like Omark Cooper can do that.

00:46:44
Speaker 1: Come yeah yeah yeah, but yeah, I mean, like his his breakout score fifty fifth percentile not terrible, career arts per out run seventy nine percentile first downs per out run is really strong.

00:46:54
Speaker 3: He looks good and like right now.

00:46:57
Speaker 1: If you guys have the Prospect Guide, he had thirty fourth overall draft capital for that Like, there's a very real.

00:47:04
Speaker 3: Chance that he ends up.

00:47:06
Speaker 1: I know I mentioned Concepcion being like comfortably in that tier, but technically there's a chance that Omar Cooper could jump him if draft capital goes a certain way.

00:47:14
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'll rank him that way.

00:47:15
Speaker 1: I'll see what landing spot looks like, all that kind of stuff, But I like Cooper overall. I think that he's he's got, you know, the right skill set for today's game. Denzel Boston another really interesting prospect. Again, I feel like every single guy we're talking about is like a completely different type of wide receiver.

00:47:31
Speaker 3: It's really it's crazy.

00:47:33
Speaker 1: But I gotta ask you, do you think that he is closer to a Jayden Higgins, who admittedly analytically looks very much alike, or a Mike Evans, who analytically is a stud obviously, or is it like Cortland Sutton, Like where are you at with Denzel Boston?

00:47:52
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think if we're talking about families of wide receivers, like Mike Evans is probably like the family of receivers of Denzel Boston long too. Mike Evans is probably like the peak of that.

00:48:02
Speaker 3: He's the mom of the family.

00:48:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, mom, dad, whatever. I'm not gonna get into that.

00:48:08
Speaker 1: Where you say mom, they're the most important part of the family. So we'll say we'll say moms.

00:48:12
Speaker 2: I don't have a family. So I'm gonna let you take the reins on that one. He's either way, he's at the head of the table. Yeahm whoever said head at the table, I'm.

00:48:22
Speaker 1: Gonna start calling Mike Evans mom on the show moving forward, we should start calling your wife, Mike Evans.

00:48:26
Speaker 2: See how that'll go real, Well, what's our what's our arm length? I mean Mike Evans got those long arms. Definitely not that Yeah, yeah, Mike Evans probably the head of that table there, the head of that arc type pretty much untouched. But I don't think there ever be another Mike Evans, although like there are some bud light Mike Evans moments in Denzel Boston's game. But then I would say probably like Drake London is maybe the most achievable like top of this arc type. Then I think Tedoroll McMillan is in this arc type. I think like Michael Pittman and Courtland Sutton are in this arc type, and then yeah, Jaden Higgins at least to me, just base on what we've seen so far, would be like the bottom end of that range of outcomes. I think Boston is, you know, definitely not Drake London Deffron, definitely not Teroro McMillan, but probably like in that next step down of like yeah, Courtland Sutton, Michael Pittman where they do some of their best work breaking over the middle of the field, they can certainly separate. I think Pittman and Sutton are good NFL players, and I think like Denzel Boston could probably be a good NFL player. They're like, maybe you could get away with him being your number one receiver, but you probably at best want him to be, like, you're really really good number two.

00:49:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's one of those guys from an analytical perspective where I want to give him a little grace because he played with legit NFL talent, you know, Washington, and so you know, I wouldn't say that I love him, but I don't. I'm not like completely off of Boston. I just I like the other five that we talked about more. I'll say that are you Are you Boston over Cooper or Cooper over Boston right now?

00:49:55
Speaker 2: God, that's so tough to say, just because yeah, there's completely differ. Yeah, I feel like is gonna be helpful for that kind of Yeah, I think I like I think I like Cooper better, especially for today's game. Yeah, And I mentioned, like I talked about the yards after catch stuff for Cooper, Like there's a lot of real receiver in his game too, especially when he runs like outbreaking routes against man coverage. So yeah, that he's not just some gadget receiver. I think he's similar to like Luther Burden last year, and some of the routes that they're best deployed on, they're just not like completely stylistically similar, but kind of how you'd use them I think is similar. Yeah.

00:50:30
Speaker 1: All right, now we're moving into more like round two or like solidified round two. Chris Bell, who you know, has this ACL that he's dealing with, so who knows how much he'll be able to play your one. But as a talent and what you saw, I mean, look, we've we've seen the AJ Brown comps thrown out there. We've seen some people really really like Chris Bell, But where where do you have them?

00:50:53
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, Chris Bell is like the most boom bust player in the class if we're talking about like which family of receivers as he belonged to. James co asked me on the show, well, do you think he's aj Brown or do you think he's like Xavier Leaguette, Trailon Buroks, Jonathan Mingo. I'm like, can I say somewhere in the middle of like these this cavernous.

00:51:12
Speaker 3: Range of outcomes you just gave me?

00:51:14
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like top five receiver in the league, or guys who you know are probably flame outs. Obviously, I don't totally know the story of Lagett just yet, but I think we know where that's going. I think that Bell is better than the Legets and the Mingoes but him, and this is true of Chris Brasel too, but I do like Bell better than Chris Brasel. They're very obvious blends of appealing upside and red flags. For Chris Bell, I think you do see real deal reps of him beating press coverage and winning on the vertical stem. And if you're going to be like an outside X receiver, which I think Bell could be you kind of have to. I'm obsessed with talking about like Alec Pierce in this year's draft class. I know that Pierce the guy that didn't produce in his first three years and all that stuff, but he was on the field for his first three years and was given the time and grace to grow and develop on the jobs to the point that like four in his fourth year, he just was a more well, he was always I think a little bit underrated as both the prospect and early in his career is like not a great player, but a functional X receiver who could be sacrificial but also beat pressman coverage on like three routes. And by the time then we get to this year, he's winning on five routes and six, you know six, stuff like that. So he was allowed that timing, but it was also because he could credibly beat pressman coverage on at least three routes and like function in his role. And I think that really matters when we're talking about these perimeter players that they at least be able to clear that bar because otherwise, like if you don't get on the field in year one, there's there's another good receiver class coming next year, they're just going to replace you. And if your coaches aft gets fired, like it's it's really easy for this type of player to wash out. And for Bell, I'm like, well, on the one hand, I think he shows those skills to do that. On the other hand, he and I gonna play in his rookie year at least probably not early on because this ACL so that makes it complicated. And I should also note that he does fit into the group of these guys like I've kind of hinted at this, that is only a one side of the field player. He took seventy eight point nine percent of his sample snaps last year in reception perception at right wide receiver. I'm going to have a post on this on my site here the next few days, but right now I have thirty five receivers from the twenty sixteen twenty seventeen twenty eighteen I had a two year gap in charting prospects, and then twenty twenty one to twenty twenty four thirty five receivers that have been skewed alignment, so only seventy plus percent of their snaps at one right or left outside receiver position. Those guys average twenty point one yards per game in their first two seasons, eighteen point nine over the course of their career, and like the yeah, the vast majority there's only really been like four true hits. It would be Rashi, Rice, Djmore, Drake London, Jujus Smith, Schuster. Everybody else is under forty five yards per game through their career.

00:54:03
Speaker 1: Bell's interesting because he doesn't have that bad of an analytical profile. His his his projected draft capital has risen a lot since I published The Prospect Guy, Like he could end up being the guy after Boston like in the in the model. But like you said, I think that we're now approaching this range of extreme volatility because Chris Brasel, I think is just thrown it, like you said, thrown in that as well, where you know, you look at the rain. I mean, like Chris Bell the Comps I got spit out for him, where like Jonathan Mingo, jj RTHEGA Whiteside and DK Metcalf. You know, it's like like just just everywhere with from like a size speed, you know, and that's what you get with like that kind of player in general, that archetype of player is just this like does it fully translate like does the size and the athleticism or the hopeful athleticism and speed really translate. Now, Chris Bell is super big and thick, whereas Chris Brasle is more of that like Marteves Bryant build.

00:54:59
Speaker 3: What do you see with Brasl? Like do you do you do you see the ceiling with him? Or is this more of like a your frightened situation.

00:55:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brasl ninety five point five percent of his snaps at right outside receiver this last year's it's like one of the highest ones ever in the RP database. And he comes from that Looney Tunes offense at Tennessee. Also, like definitely some let's just say mixed character reports out there on Chris Brasel, so like he's a guy who could fall further than we expect, and these Tennessee guys usually do. Like remember when Jalen Hyatt was supposed to be a first round pick in twenty twenty three and he went in like the seventies. I liked him too much.

00:55:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was bad.

00:55:39
Speaker 1: That was bad about I've changed my my process a little bit. And that's that's one one person that that forced that.

00:55:46
Speaker 2: Every now and again, I look back at my rankings, like I mean, Pukinakul was this way on the positive endpoint, and like Jalen Hyatt was this way on the negative standpoint, where I was like, I definitely should have just trusted the charting numbers when it came to my rankings, Like I I'm hesitant to actually put like all of it into one aggregate number. Sometimes I'm like, I wish I'd done that for a jail And Hyatt because he would have been like the worst prospect of all time. But I still like kind of ranked him like where he went drafted, which I felt vindicated at the time that he went in that range, and then he was worse. He was way worse than that, So yeah, he was I think to bring that back to Brasl, I think Brasl is a better prospect than Jalen Hyatt. I kind of liked Tillman as a third round pick. I think he's similar in that bucket, But the ways that he's different is that like he's really fluid and loose as a mover in like the intermediate area, so he shows an ability to like break off out routes and dig routes and kind of will flash that ability, especially against press coverage but man coverage. But there's a long way to go in terms of his nuance as a route runner, like release moves need to be fully reworked. Like his zone coverage recognition, spatial awareness is very up and down and like it's just a long learning curve coming from that that particular offense and offenses of this family tree in general, Josh Josh Hipel coming from like the br Art Briles world, like back in the day with Baylor, Corey Coleman and those guys. Like it's just not a lot of NFL applica applicable stuff, which is why these guys don't go high anymore.

00:57:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he was like his comps brassels were Josh Reynolds, Denzel Mims. He did get George Pickens, but that's more like sigh, Like Pickens' production profile like wasn't otherworldly, So that's.

00:57:25
Speaker 2: That was a weird one too, Like that his journey was was right.

00:57:29
Speaker 1: Really hard, really hard about all right. Next on the list, Jeremy Bernard. It feels like he's rising a little bit, uh just based like people seem to solidly have him as like a round two player.

00:57:42
Speaker 3: It feels like at this point, Uh, do you think that's that's fair?

00:57:46
Speaker 1: Uh?

00:57:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's like a good day to prospect. He's a he's a glue guy. He's like good at everything where I talk about these guys who have that skewed alignment. He's like perfectly even right wide receiver, left wide receiver, slot wide receiver. Like he I think he can credibly line up at all three receiver positions. He's really good in the intermediate area. Like his dig route percentage is incredible. He could just and which I know that's like possessing about one route, but this is where you're attacking teams right now over the middle of the field and split safety the world Like you want to put your big boy pants on, drop back and work over the intermediate middle of the field. So I think Jeremy Bernard checks the box there. He can be useful with the ball in his handshle. I don't think some of the designery stuff that he got at Alabama's going to translate. I just keep I keep calling him like glue guy, Jeremy Bernard, and like I think that's who he's going to be, like a really good third receiver for a team that's probably a better real life player than a fantasy player, unless he just lands in like an awesome spot.

00:58:38
Speaker 1: I remember whenever one of his comps came up and I texted you was Mohammed Sanu and you were like, yes, like.

00:58:45
Speaker 3: That that makes sense. Uh yeah, I don't want to be like super high on Bernard.

00:58:50
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about rookie drafts though, and I like, there's a chance he goes higher than I would want, just because the draft capital might be uh there for him, and and people might just follow that a little bit. But I don't think he's like a bad player.

00:59:03
Speaker 3: I just he doesn't really like overly excite me.

00:59:05
Speaker 1: One player who I think could be a little controversial is Zachariah Branch, who I mean, if you want to probably did he have one of the weirdest perception He had to have had one of the weirdest perception perceptions you've ever done.

00:59:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. One hundred percent, almost twenty nine percent of his routes were screen routes. That is the highest mark I've ever charted for US prospect. These are the only guys that are close Rondel Moore Rest in Peace twenty point nine percent, Amari Rodgers eighteen point nine percent, are Darius Stewart remember him back in six or sixteen percent? No one else I've charted in all of the classes I've worked on has even hit fifteen percent of than those guys. So yeah, no doubt it's a weird profile.

00:59:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, forty five point five percent of his targets in general came behind the line of scrimmage across his career, which.

00:59:55
Speaker 3: Is just is just wild.

00:59:56
Speaker 1: And again, I mean I've said this on the show so many times of this point, but if you look at guys who are Day two picks, who who had a career behind the line target rate of thirty percent or higher, he's at forty He's over forty percent. He's at forty five and a half percent, which he's the only one over forty percent for the record. Yeah, but all of them, aside from Wandell Robinson and Luther Burden, have busted big time.

01:00:18
Speaker 3: But Wandall Robinson and Luther Burton both had really really good production profiles, like elite production profiles.

01:00:24
Speaker 1: Whereas you know you mentioned some of them, funny enough. I mean there's Amari Rodgers, Lynn Bowden, Anthony Schwartz, Canarius, Tony Rondel Moore, rest in Peace, Baylis Jones, Trey Tucker, Malachi Corley. I mean it's just it's gadget guy after gadget guy that people kept selling themselves on and would say, oh, no, this team can work with this player. No, this guy, this guy has skills with the ball in his hands, which I don't doubt was zach Rye Branch. It's just a profile that scares a living crap out of me. Is that are you same line of thinking or is it one where like if he goes to the Chargers and he gets Mike McDaniel, does that excite you?

01:00:58
Speaker 3: Like, are you like, okay, maybe all draftman rookie drafts are he just still like.

01:01:01
Speaker 2: No, does malikue Washington excite you? I mean yeah, Like I think League Washington was better as a prospect than Zacharia Branch, Like, but I really liked Malik Washington. But yeah, Branch is just tough dude, because there's no doubt, like, yeah, he's good with the ball in his hands, and he flashes sometimes like an ability to beat man coverage on like inbreaking routes, but he also has like no catch radius whatsoever. He's got small arms and he's just like kind of body catches everything because he has to, like and that works for him. It actually, it actually works for him to do a pretty good like solid contested catch right, solid catch right overall in his RP prospect profile. But like, is that gonna work at the next level like Wandale Robinson's where like the peak peak outcome where everything comes together for that guy and he gets a ton of targets over the last two years. And also Wandal got better last year than he was in his earlier career days and stuff like that, so that's a big part of it too. But yeah, I wouldn't say that like I'm completely out on branch because there are more roles for these guys available now, but like they're more so roles in like how Jimmy Horn was used last year for the Panthers, where it's like he's used as that motion at the snap guy. Occasionally design touches, but mostly you're there to do what we said earlier with Mike Evans for Tero McMillan, where you create that leverage for him to be the inbreaking route player. But like, yeah, the design touches guys like if you're not a good receiver. In addition to that, like you don't show what I would say real receiver stuff like teams the team just has to bend over backwards to get that guy the football, and that's like harder to do than we think it is. So Yeah, to me, it just branches. He's a weird one, and I think it's going to really take a lot of things to come together for him to be a big, big time productive NFL player.

01:02:48
Speaker 1: One player that I was surprised by Matt Waldman loved was Malachi Fields because and I said this to like, analytically, his profile is pretty garbage.

01:02:56
Speaker 2: Yeah you hate him, Yeah I'm not.

01:02:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, I specifically despise Malach I know, I just don't think he's that great of a prospect.

01:03:05
Speaker 1: I mean, his his comps too came in as like mac Hollins, you know, Pittman was a comp to be fair, like there is you know that kind of outcomes. But I also didn't think Pittman was that amazing of a prospect analytically at least. But I'm afraid of Fields just doesn't have a good age AJU justine profile, are you with me, or do you see what Waldman seeing.

01:03:29
Speaker 2: I'm probably somewhere in the middle there where I think he's like a solid Day two receiver. I definitely don't think he can be used in the way that he was used at Notre Dame in the NFL, And by that I mean like he was a pure outside X receiver running vertical routes, because like he just can't separate at the level that he needs to to be running a bunch of nine routes and curl routes and stuff like that. Now, he does show an ability to drop his weight pretty well and separate on curls. He can get into his routes pretty well on slants. I do think he probably pro like he profiles in the group of receivers. And I have a video coming out on this for my YouTube channel pretty soon. Of the guys who don't separate at a high level in college, like the vast majority of them, if you look at all rounds, forty three percent of them end up getting cut on their rookie contract. These guys who fall below the thirty fifth percentile on reception perception and at least two of three of success rate versus man press and zone coverage. Most of the guys you go on and hit, and even by the way, if you look at first two day drafted players, it's still like the majority of them, it's just a little bit lower number get cut on their rookie contracts, so the most of them are just like flameouts. But the guys who end up hitting are usually guys who move into the slot or like volatile deep threats. With Fields, I think, like I think Elijah Surrott makes much more sense as like a power slot conversion than Malachi Fields does. I think Fields might end up being one of those kind of like what I would call a volatile deep threat like Kaishawn Booty type players, where he's a little bit of a sacrificial X, but he can win every now and again because he's got great ball skills and he does show some ability to really read out zone coverage as well. So there's a part of me that thinks, like I've tried to do this with like Keon Coleman and Jayden Higgins in the past, and they're almost like two big to big be big slot receivers, like once you're six' four, like you might be able too big for that, But That's why I like Sarat in that way, because he's six to two hundred, like two out of ten, two hundred and twelve pounds probably makes more sense to be like a Saint Brown Jujuicemis Schuster type. But yeah, I like Fields, but I definitely think he could be a little bit of like a sacrificial X receiver at the next level.

01:05:35
Speaker 1: So Rat's kind of interesting because he had a really he had really good trajectory in college, like starting at Saint Francis and then you know, obviously going to James Madison.

01:05:44
Speaker 3: He got better every single year.

01:05:46
Speaker 2: Uh.

01:05:46
Speaker 1: And then I'm I specifically remember talking about him via text with you early on because he kept getting these like again, these these these bigger guys who ended up going to the slot. Whether it be Michael Thomas, pat Bryant, I think was uh the one that that resonated best with you.

01:06:04
Speaker 3: He actually got a Roma Dunda one too in the in the uh, in the prospect guide.

01:06:09
Speaker 1: But I have I'm having a hard time with him because while the analytics are certainly not bad at all for Elijah Surat, it seems like folks like yourself or what like NFL mock Draft database and kind of monitoring where these guys might be drafted, he's going in the opposite direction, And is it Do you think it's because of what you're saying, like that he from a separation standpoint, it's not really there and it might be more of like a Keon Coleman type.

01:06:35
Speaker 3: Situation, but maybe a better fit for that inside role.

01:06:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, like one of these guys, was almost no point talking about him until we know where he lands, because like, yeah, if his next general manager does what Brandon Bean did when he picked key On Coleman comes out of the at the post draft president says, yeah, that's our next X receive Rome to say forget it, like he Yeah, I don't think he can really play in that role and be like a high high volume player, especially if you're looking for like fans upside, don't think he can be that guy. But for if he goes to a team where yeah, they might see him as more of like an off ball receiver or yeah, like I mean again, the history is of reception perceptions littered with these guys that were non separators on the outside and they became big slot receivers. You know, it's it's like a Saint Brown it's it's Rashie Rice, it's Jus smth Schuster, Like, these guys do exist. There is a path for these players. But yeah, there's also a path where jujusmth Schuster gets drafted by another team and they look at him as like, oh, he's over six feet he played on the outside in college, Like he's going to be our outside receiver, And I don't think it would have worked really well. But yeah, Sarrot like sub twentieth percentile success rate versus man impressed, but eighty first percentile against zone, Like he's a really smart player and has the zone beating chops. Yeah, I think you'd want to move inside. But again, a couple of weeks from now, he goes to a team that us him as an outside receiver because he wins a lot of back shoulder and contested catch, you know kind of opportunities. I think we're talking about a different story there.

01:07:56
Speaker 3: If they needed it. It feels like a Sean Payton player, if they if they needed.

01:08:00
Speaker 2: That kind yeah, because that's what they do with Pat Brian, And I think SAT's a better prospect than Brian. Like I think I think he's a tear better of a prospect, Like I do really like Elijah Sarrot. His game kind of grew on me, but it's within my little fantasy world. If he goes to this spot that does this, and I think again, there's a much larger path. Like I said, forty three percent of these guys just get cut on their rookie contract.

01:08:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, so scary, all right, last guy, I want to throw at you before you can just toss out anyone. But Antonio Williams got a lad mcconkeye comp as the top one in the Prospect Guide. He didn't have the same yards prout run numbers and stuff in that, but the model's not looking at per route run stuff. It's looking at the you know, breakout age or sorry, breakout score and such.

01:08:43
Speaker 3: But do you think there's something to Antonio Williams game.

01:08:47
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, He's definitely the leading candidate for the Matt Harmon Fell for It Again Award, which is like small man beating slot receiver who just doesn't get enough playing time, and you know, he becomes Jane Reedy becomes Josh I like, I like Josh Allens a lot better as a prospect than Anthony Williams. I like lab McConkie a lot better. Like, Lad's the guy who's been able to survive this kind of stereotyping, even though he was stereotyped as a white you know, pop gun slot receiving. Sure he was stereotyped in that way, but he survived at the NFL level. Is a guy who can win on the outside because he can beat man coverage. Who knows if that's gonna happen with Williams, Like I really, really really do like the prospect profile. Like I said, he does beat man coverage seventy fifth percentile. He's over eighty one percent against zone, So like he shows the requistit ability to beat his zone coverage to be a slot but also that ability to beat man coverage is really key. But in the game's chartered for him, Like, yeah, he was an eighty two percent slot player. He was in the backfield for forty four point three percent of his snaps. He was off the ball on eighty six percent of his snaps. Like the NFL is kind of we talked about this earlier this year, Like the NFL is kind of moving away from this arc type of receivers. So I'm trying to like actively temper my enthusiasm for Williams, but I do really like him. And you know, I had waldenon on my show and I asked him, like, who you like better as a glue guy? You know, the Jeremy Bernard or the Antonio Williams. Like talent wise, I would rather have Antonio Williams. But Jeremy Bernard kind of fits more the arc type of what teams are looking for from that slot Z player more than Antonio Williams is right now. But I do really like him, and you know, it kind of depends on where he goes to really decide, like is he going to fall victim to that Josh Downs path or not.

01:10:24
Speaker 3: I didn't think I was gonna be an Antonio Williams guy.

01:10:26
Speaker 1: When I wrote up the his prospect profile and then I looked at what the market was doing after I published everything.

01:10:32
Speaker 3: Not only are rookie rankings they haven't.

01:10:34
Speaker 1: Met like wide receiver fifteen to eighteen or so, but like Best Ball drafts, right now, he's like the rookie wide receiver twenty or twenty one. Like he's just completely an afterthought.

01:10:44
Speaker 3: I think he's I think he's going to go Day two like this is he should.

01:10:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, like this is likely a day two wide receiver, and I feel like he's just kind of an afterthought for people, so at least keep an eye on him. Like his his analytical profile was like solid because he got early career production.

01:10:59
Speaker 3: But he never had that, like he never spiked it never.

01:11:02
Speaker 1: It never like really progressed to a point where you know you were overly excited. But all right, before I let you go throw out some names, anybody that that's exciting you in this in this draft class, we haven't talked about.

01:11:14
Speaker 2: Yeah. I only want to bring this guy up because I know that your model hates him. And I know this because I because I quoted your model in his write up. I quoted the draft guy in his write up. There is something about Dion Burks that I really do like.

01:11:29
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Harmon, you're doing this, you're doing this that literally I remember I remember there was a a someone who had ranked him early on, like this is back in like February or some Yeah, I think it was like a top forty player and they're in there and I I texted you and I was like, I cannot believe that this person is ranking Dion freaking Burks and like just railing against Burkes and now you're gonna talk him up on the podcast.

01:11:56
Speaker 3: What is going on here?

01:11:57
Speaker 2: Like I said, I quoted you in in the right up about how like his career yards per route run puts him in a bucket of like best players as Josh Palmer.

01:12:05
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, his career yards run is in the fifth percentile.

01:12:09
Speaker 3: It's one point three five. It's horrendous, I know.

01:12:13
Speaker 2: And he is an even bigger candidate for the Felford Again Award of like small guy that just like knows.

01:12:21
Speaker 3: If he goes day two. I can't even explain to you how far out I am on them. I can't even explain.

01:12:27
Speaker 2: But there's listen, I get it. And it's not like he's got some great charting profile or anything. It's not like he was like Elijah Moore or something like that. Okay, great com because I liked Elijah so did I like so I mean that way too much. He was the number one player in my Missus video. But yeah, Burke's though, I do think like there's some appealing parts to his game, like he I do think he separates pretty well. I love how competitive he is. He's really tough. He is good with the ball in his hands. He really fights back to the football against zone coverage on like curls and comeback routes. So he's just somebody that, like I do think there's there's something more to him than the production tells. I don't know how much I'm not gonna come out of here like flag plant, Dion Burks or anything like that. Probably yeah, but I like just I'm not I'm not gonna totally write him off. You can totally write him off, and that's fine. I'm not gonna totally write him off of being like a useful NFL player. I think there's something on film to Dion Burks.

01:13:34
Speaker 3: Okay, is that is that Jack?

01:13:36
Speaker 2: Is that?

01:13:37
Speaker 1: Is that gonna be the only that's gonna be the only other guy we haven't talked about that you want to call out.

01:13:41
Speaker 3: On the show. No, no, no.

01:13:45
Speaker 2: I also think there's kind of I don't know what you think about Bryce Lance, but like there's something to Bryce Lance too, Like.

01:13:51
Speaker 3: He's really hard.

01:13:52
Speaker 1: He's really hard for me to evaluate because he did nothing the first few years of his college career, literally nothing, and so like anything age adjusted is gonna just not like him, So the model just doesn't love him. I mean, I get the upside case. Of course, the dude is a freak, like he's yeah, he's a monster, but yeah, it's a little.

01:14:09
Speaker 3: Bit of a tough evaluation for me. But I want to I want to hear what we have to say about him. No, the upside case is definitely.

01:14:14
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a guy that I think got better over the course of his college charting that I did for him. He's got like a weird style of running where he almost kind of like leans into his routes that I think he kind of knocked off the longer that he went and really showed the ability to like truly stack defenders on the perimeter as an X receiver. Now he's playing against some like complete goofball levels of competition, and obviously that you know, is a is a problem when you're looking at the charting data. But from a charting standpoint, like he hit him and Chris Brasel's numbers are like almost identical. And I just mean that to say, like he's a good arbitrage play on a guy like Chris Brasel. So if you're looking for that kind of like upside vertical shot receiver. I think Lance makes sense and nothing more than like a third round pick type player in the NFL draft. But yeah, like there's a different flavor that like him, and like I people really like ted Hurst. I really like ted Hurst as well, but he's different than like Lance has more like true vertical ability to him, wheas hearse is more of like a slasher in the mold of like Tory Horton last year.

01:15:18
Speaker 3: M okay, uh, did you you did Brennan Thompson? Didn't you?

01:15:22
Speaker 2: I did? Yes? Yeah?

01:15:24
Speaker 3: Did you did you like him?

01:15:25
Speaker 1: I'm curious because obviously he he ran the fast forty uh and he has speed he got you know, he got like the JJ Nelson comp as one of them you know in the in the that that I think is like a very real outcome and like a probable outcome. But he also had like the tang deell Calvin Austin was another one, Like you know, he's a smaller wide out and he's fast, but his production profile really wasn't that that bad.

01:15:47
Speaker 3: So I'm curious what you saw with him?

01:15:49
Speaker 2: Yeah I do.

01:15:49
Speaker 3: I mean, look the hundred and sixty four pounds, so yeah.

01:15:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty wild spent high draft capital on him in your rookie drafts.

01:15:57
Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, and there's also red flags his profile, Like he's another guy eighty one point nine percent of his snaps came it right outside receiver. He ran a curl route on almost thirty nine percent of his charted routes. Like it's a lot of just bs hitches that really go nowhere, which I think kind of makes him a really difficult evaluation, particularly against zone coverage. But he wasn't just under seventy one percent success rate verse man coverage, and he just truly truly can fly, Like, yeah, I would say he is, and this player is way better and bigger and went in the first round, but like he's very similar to like Jamison Williams and how he could just outrun an entire SEC defense and like Thompson has that ability and really can just pull away on go routes, like all of his vertical routes success rates are really high, and he does show the ability to sometimes throttle down. But he's also another guy that's always running at full speed and will get himself covered up against zone at times. But yeah, there's there's something there. At the same time, like I kind of thought Calvin Austin was a guy that like, yeah, he played real deal like perimeter received which is what Thompson had played, real deal perimeter receiver outside in again admittedly like a stripped down route Tree and Kamnass has been a fine NFL player, but yeah, not somebody that you want fantasy.

01:17:09
Speaker 1: Well, everyone's matching zach Ry Branch to the Chargers. I think Thompson would be interesting there. To pair him with McDaniel. They need, they need that speed, that that verticality a little bit in that offense. I'd just be I just want to see him with a smart, good offensive coordinator and offensive mind, just to see what they can they can do with that speed. And I know that he's smaller, and I usually fade the smaller guys, but look, if it's the third round of your rookie draft or something, fourth round, why not.

01:17:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could do worse. I think he's got more to him than you probably think. Like the tip, he's got like some better numbers than Xavier Worthy, who was like another one hundred and sixty pound receiver who probably should not definitely should not have gone where he went in the NFL draft. But you know that's a whole other topic.

01:17:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I mean, well, Zach Branch is probably going to be a chief we're fully aware of.

01:18:04
Speaker 2: So gross, so bad. But yes, but yes, you're right, like Zach Ryan Branch is one hundred percent and to have I yeah, yeah, yeah, jeez, I'm still tilting for the Dion Burks. How bad his production is so crazy?

01:18:17
Speaker 3: I don't horrendous.

01:18:18
Speaker 2: I don't think it's I don't think he's that bad of a player, like I just I don't get it. But you know, yeah, we'll see what happened.

01:18:24
Speaker 3: We'll see what happens. All right, This was awesome, man.

01:18:26
Speaker 1: Let everyone know what you're working on, where they can find you and where they can subscribe to Reception Perception.

01:18:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, Reception Perception dot com. I am hoping to have no I will have thirty wide receivers, either full profiles or on the Rookie Roundup, which is a post I put up of mini samples on the NFL Draft day that morning. It'll go up so some of the more under the radar type players. But yeah, still have at least five more full profiles coming in addition to the guys that I have on the site, so you can read the full profiles. You can see the stacked rankings over there, and all the work I'm doing Yahoo as well leading up to the NFL Draft. Yahoo Fantasy Forecast Football three oh one are my shows over there.

01:19:05
Speaker 1: Definitely check out all that, all of that out. You guys, you and you and co are doing awesome work. And you guys have added people too to the doing. You're you're finally doing tight end charting.

01:19:15
Speaker 2: No, I'm not doing it, but Max Siskano, Yeah, we brought him into charged tight ends for us, and that's been really cool to see, uh, those profiles come together. I did a show with Max for reception perception of the show last week, and.

01:19:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, that guy is, uh, he is in the weeds.

01:19:29
Speaker 1: And then there's been some there's really some interesting takes that I've found with the with the tight end stuff that you know, like that at least like the ZAP model didn't pick up on, or like names that I because I didn't write the profiles for the tight end stuff, but like the look.

01:19:44
Speaker 3: At us just farming out the tight end work.

01:19:46
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, uh, but just names that like I didn't have necessarily strongly on my radar. And and it's it's good to have that perspective, so everyone should check that out Reception Perception dot com.

01:19:58
Speaker 3: Check out the Prospect Guide.

01:19:59
Speaker 1: It's still available for sale for for consumption, and then you will get the post draft version just a couple hours after the draft is over. We're working all draft weekend on this. That's next weekend. Check it all out Lateround dot com. Otherwise, everyone, thanks for tuning in. H