#403 - Morgan Evans on The First Time He Played ‘Over for You’ and Having Weight Lifted Off His Shoulders + How He Handled A Weird Time In His Life + Beating Dierks Bentley in Pickleball

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Speaker 1: So the final was actually this full game where you play two points of singles and then the other two players swap in and out. So it was Ben and Phillips, who are both great players, and then Dirks and I against each other and first to.

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Speaker 2: Eleven and we just got away with it.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to episode four oh three with Morgan Evans. You know, Morgan's from Newcastle, New South Wales, Australia. I would have thought New South Wales was in Europe because Wales, I don't even know where where the New Whales though, it's the New South Wales. Yeah, yeah, Newcastle, New South Wales, Australia. Morgan and our friends. So it's always an interesting conversation when I have my friends because I feel like I can go places other people can't, but also know too much sometimes where it keeps it's just a bizarre feeling. Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes sense. Like if I don't Let's say I'm interviewing you and I don't know some of the stuff, I'm just gonna ask and like, but if you're my close friend and I know some of the stuff is like super sensitive, Yeah, and sometimes you have to ask knowing what the answer is. Like you don't know, and sometimes I gotta ask for the sake of the listener, even though I know that I really don't want to ask anyway, because I already know. And it's I like it. I like when I get to interview with my friends. But there are some difficult parts of that. And it's not just Morgan, it's any any of my close friends that I bring on that I like. I'm like, well, if I warn't friends, i'd have. But I think this is a really good interview with Morgan. For example, of his songs that you may know, let's say, kiss somebody, a former number one right here.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you gotta kiss somebody.

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Speaker 3: He's got day drunk. It's good. Maybe you heard this song over for you was inspired by his divorce.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: We got to it and I felt like I gave him a runway and I was gonna lay his plane land where he wanted to land it. Yeah, and he landed that plane in the way that he preferred to land it right. He did, okay, and also didn't go right to him right when it happened. I think if I wouldn't have been a friend, I would have been like, hey, dude, I know they just happened, which come over. Yeah, So I love Morgan. So he's got a EP out. It's called Life Upside Down. The second single from it, which is on my own agains about him. Is that a single or just a song he released because it's weird too, because the song you release. Yeah, yeah, it's just a weird time now, because everything could be a single in that you released one song at a time. But then maybe it's not like a single that is guided by your record label. Yeah, difference, m hm. So okay, uh, I don't know. Let's just get into it. You guys go check him out Morgan Evans music dot com. You can follow him at Morgan Evans Music. He is deceivingly super athletic, deceivingly large.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We after this interview a few days later, we went and over to friend's house and played pickleball, and I wore cutouts everywhere I go. I don't like wearing sleeves, not because I'm jacked, but just not comfortable. I like work cut off all the time. When Morgan was wanting to cut off playing pickleball, and he is ripped. Well, a couple of days ago I ran into him running. He did and he was wearing no shirt and I was like, oh my gosh, he is unassumingly ripped. Yeah, he's a monster for sure. So here he is now that we've googo and got got over Morgan Evans's body. Here he is episode four oh three from New South Wales and that's in Australia. Morgan Evans. I was just driving in and I was driving the Bronco. I'm the old seventy four Bronco, so that we've rebuilt, I say, we've I've done nothing to it. I don't know anything about cars. And you'll see where this is going in a second. And so we got it in and my wife is just like, I'd love an old Bronco because they do look cool, but they're impossible to find, right. So we start looking at some of these car dealerships that have older exotic cars because sometimes they have Broncos, older Broncos. And we went to one here in town and they're like, we don't have anything, but we can put you on a list and call you as soon as we get it, okay, And we're like, okay, cool, and doesn't mean we have to buy it though, if you call us. Because we had to sign something and they're like, no, no, no, but you're just committing to us that you're serious about it, all right, Like whatever you want, what does that mean? It's like calling shotgun, Like I'm like, yeah. So they call us and they say we have one. It's blue. Now, I really wanted a red one, but my wife thinks everything that happens too red. Anyway, love the color red.

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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 3: We drive up to it and it's the Sprunko way of now but it's uh, it's got many more of than nineteen seventy four parts in it, and it is it drives like I don't even know how they traveled back then. In this thing is a horse and buggy barely ran. And I said we'll take it. And it was not cheap because again they're in such high demand, these old broncos.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like.

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Speaker 3: Eighty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Old old Yep.

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Speaker 3: We're like, okay, well, so we get it.

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Speaker 2: Investment.

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Speaker 1: We call that kind of thing an investment.

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Speaker 3: I guess. But they say that as soon as you drive it, it goes down in value. But then these be driven a lot and it's gone up in value. So yes, let's just call it an investment. So we get it, drive it home and we're getting married like two weeks later, and so clean it up real good. We drive it off and are leaving the wedding situation where we just drove the hotel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah just married son.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, which we really just drove it over to our my manager Tom's house and then traded and got in a real car and drove to the hotel. There we stayed until we the next morning for a honeymoon.

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Speaker 1: And so.

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Speaker 3: As we're gone, I had one of my friends take it. We're gonna get some stuff fixed on it. I know nothing about cars, okay, and driving it boom, somebody nails it on the highway. Interesting, I'm talking about the whole front side is just dent it in and it's the axle thing is bent and I don't even know what to call these parts. And so I got a picture of it. I'm like, oh my god. And so they're like, hey, it's totaled, and I'm like, no, no, I don't want it to be totaled because it was so hard to find. So can we not total it? Like what's it going to cost to not total it? Because totaling it, as you probably know is if it's gonna take more to fix than the value is. So I say, let's not total it. Just give me the value that you can give me, and I'll pay more because we wanted to make it driveable anyway. So they say okay, So they give me the money take it to the body shop. They also work on, you know, older cooler cars, and I say, I don't want to standard anymore. I want to automatic, and I don't care about it being all real. I just want it to look cool and drive easy. It changed out the steering column. I've learned what that is. They put in a new engine and they it's it's also on a lift. It's like a two inch lift. It's so they replace the old lift and I get it and it's driving, so I mean it's it's awesome right and sounds awesome for the first time. It's like I'm I'm just loving I'm driving and I was driving it today and I used to think people love the radio show and they would be like, hey, wave at me, but they don't. They just love the truck. So the truck is more love than I am when I'm driving it around. So it's super cool and I'm driving home just a minute ago, because I just drove up after maybe like what thirty seconds before he did. Yeah, And I was thinking about you because you have a jeep. And it started to rain on me when I was in this Bronco and I'm like, oh God, you're on the top. There's no top on it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, not even a soft top or anything.

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Speaker 3: Soft tops in the garage.

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Speaker 1: Oh removal.

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Speaker 3: I don't okay, I don't want to soft. I don't want to top on it at all. And so I'm driving it starts to rain on me, and I'm thinking, I hope Morgan's top is off too, so he's also getting wet. And that's very selfish to me, and I'll say it. As I was driving here, I thought to myself, I hope Morgan's top is off his jeep and he's also getting wet, and then we can relate and bond. And I saw your jeep and the top is on it. Tops on, man, So I just like to say, you're a west for having your top on. And that's where this all goes. We're all the way back around.

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Speaker 1: I want to go check out this brokra that's amazing, all right, So you leave the.

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Speaker 3: Top on all the time, or are you gone so much that you just leave the top on in case because you can't really predict the weather.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'm going to the airport after this anyway, so kind of need to top on for that.

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Speaker 3: So which is my point, So you can't really How long is it take taking top on or off? Do you have one of those Pulley things?

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Speaker 1: Uh, it's got the trump bits that's super easy to take off, which is just over the driver passenger seat, but the full back is that's a bit of a situation. Yeah, you need the police situation all Like two dudes.

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Speaker 3: I just have a jeep. Was as cool asures but Jake oh And bought me a thing you put in your garage and it like lifts it up. But that thing was harder to put up than take the top off of the jeep.

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Speaker 1: I got one of those in my old place and I arrived from Amazon and I tried to put it up. It's just a bunch of like little hooks and ropes. And I tried to put it up while drinking beer one night, and it wasn't until the next morning that I came down and tried to use it and realize I've done it completely completely wrong and had to do it that morning over some coffee and fix it. But it did work really well once I got done.

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Speaker 3: You you love the jeep. I feel like that's part of your brand. Like you can't you can't drive like a Honda Civic, right, you can't drive even let me go something. Really, if you drove up in a Maserati, I would be like, it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Fit right, man?

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Speaker 1: Man? I actually I got the jeep after I went on a whole day. I went to Hawaii and I rented a Jeep and had the most amazing time. I was in Kawai, It's one of my favorite places in the world, and it just felt so good And I went in testra of this thing and it felt like a toy. It still feels like a toy car and feels like a vacation when I get in it.

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Speaker 3: And is that your only car?

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Speaker 2: That's it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I still have my old truck that It was the first thing that I bought when I moved to America. I com bring myself to sell that. But that's the that's the daily drive.

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Speaker 3: You ever been trapped because in my jeep, I got trapped in a storm with no top.

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Speaker 1: There's been some some moments where I thought I was going to get trapped.

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Speaker 2: I know the feeling, but I haven't. I haven't been hit.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know there again, nothing about cars. So what I didn't know was once your jeep fills up the water, because it's what mine did. I was near the radio station and drove to work. Didn't look at the weather, big storm, nowhere for me to go. The thing's filling up with the water, that the floorboards, that everything. I drive home. I just let it. And I'm like, gosh, I didn't. I'm just letting it like dry. And one of my buddies and goes, why is your jeep full of water? I was like, I was in a storm, bro. And he walks over, pulls the two plugs out of the bottom drains in like five seconds. Had no idea. I never read. The man was just slushing around. It was like sitting standing water just in the jeep. So I'm not really a masculine in many ways, a masculine guy when it comes to cars or fighting or beer sports. I'm in. I'm in more than I should be, Okay, but that's like my only saving grace. Yeah, or I think I just I would say I think I would just not be masculine. But I know, like women who aren't masculine, the dog who is more masculine than I am in many ways.

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Speaker 2: I think that's an old school masculinity though, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: If you know about it, you know that's true.

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Speaker 3: But I'm from a very small town in Arkansas in the South where everything is still like you.

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Speaker 1: Know, yeah, sounds like that anyway.

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Speaker 3: Good to see you you too. I feel like you're very hard to be friends with, and not because it's who you are. It's just because of what you do. What I do, but mostly what you do. And I feel like you're traveling internationally more than I remember you ever traveling internationally. The true or false? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's been a wild few months.

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Speaker 1: Actually, I just realized on the weekend it was the first weekend that spent in Nashville in three months. So yes, specifically, this last little period has been pretty wild. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: There have been a couple times we've tried to get to get you be gone or I'd be somewhere. You wanna do this, you wanna play pickleball, you want to get together. Yeah, it's like all right, wake up, ready to go. Hour later, we play pickball. Now I get a call, Hey man, I'm in California.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm like, oh, I've definitely been taking advantage of the whole. Like, wait a minute, is there like a waife coming in at that beach? Can I get to that beach in time for it? I'm going to go so for the next two days. So, oh, you know what happened?

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Speaker 2: It's been that too.

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Speaker 3: I told you about you and I. No, I guess it was. I guess it was Brett. You and I played pickleball? Was that when I locked myself out of my car?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't tell me though, That's right, I did.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I knew I told you this, but I didn't tell you this then, right.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know at the time. Until when did I tell you this? I think it was just the next time my story.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so whatever the case might, do you know the story?

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Speaker 1: I think so?

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Speaker 3: Were we somewhere with them? I don't know. I tell so many stories from radio told us so on this on the radio show. I was playing pickleball at Morgan. He beat me. I was pissed. Although he is better than I am and it's like we played the best of five, you went three to two. Heart fought match, though, give me some credit. Hard fight match, right new nudepicable. And I had realized that my keys in my car, which I didn't know could even happened because my car has the thing where you usually hold the key near something it opens, not the bronco like another car. And I'm like, what the And Morgan's getting his jeep and I know I'm locked out, and I'm like, I'm not asking him for any assistance. This stupid I'm a loser, and I deserve to be a loser for the rest of the day, and I deserve to be punished by whatever I'm about to have to do with the keys locked out in my car. And that's what happened. And I sat there.

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Speaker 1: From my perspective though, as I was getting in the g it was like we just finished and sort of set out good boys. And as soon as I got in the JAP, I looked out and You're on the phone, like looked like hot at work.

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Speaker 2: I was like, many he just goest.

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Speaker 3: I was actually going, hey, dealership, is there any way you're gonna lock my car? And they were like nah, have you signed up for the app? And I was like no, And so for like thirty minutes we tried to get in. We couldn't. Then I had to Uber home to get the keys to Uber back and then to me an hour and a half. But I deserve that, you know why, because I lost pickleball and that was my mindset. It wasn't that I didn't think you would drive me home. I lived ten minutes away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it would have been you'd been easier.

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Speaker 3: It would have been. You know what. I didn't deserve that because when the chips were down, I lost and I failed, and because of that I needed to get my comeuppins.

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Speaker 1: Well I think that's ridiculous, but thank you for telling me eventually that you lock yourself out.

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Speaker 3: I got like eight stories. I'm just I just feel like I'm pouring them out of me here. And then you and I were supposed to be team together in the charity pickleball tournament. Yeah, now, this is not a shot at Chris Lane. Chris Lane's a better athlete than I am. Chris Lane was a college baseball player, but he didn't know how to play pickleball, and all the know all of a sudden I get a call going, hey, you've been switch. You and Morgan are on a team. Now that's you and Chris, And I'm like, oh, cool. Chris is a great athlete too. Don't know him's well to do Morgan, but I'm sure we'll do fine.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: So we show up and I was gonna play posso I act like I to know how to play. That was my plan going into it. We'd be like, I don't know the rules, even though I had been playing a decent amount since you and I played.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know the rules.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so what that's called the lobby? No, that's called the kitchen. Oh. I was going to do that. But then when I get there and Chris is on my team and he really doesn't know the rules, I can't. He's asking me the rules, and I don't want to lie to me like I don't know. I can't play pass out of.

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Speaker 2: My own partner, right, especially if he.

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Speaker 3: Isn't He said, I never played in my life. I watched tiktoks this morning on the rules and I'm like, oh.

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Speaker 1: So, here's my question to you. I didn't watch those games because we were playing at the same time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you were winning with your partner.

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Speaker 1: I was very lucky in my partnership, actually, But did you actually believe him when he said he never played before, because I played in a ping pong tournament with him a few weeks.

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Speaker 2: Prior to that.

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Speaker 1: He's an excellent ping pong player and he dominant, he won the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: He's a great athlete. Yeah, I do believe him. I did believe him, and I do believe him because I because he played with them and if he needed to move or cut, he's great. But again, there are just some rules and some you know, intricate details of that sport. Yeah, like where you can stand when you hit it. Little that he didn't know, and we kept losing points, and I was trying so hard not to be frustrated, but I hate losing. We lost so bad I almost went my keys back in my car again just to experience that punishment yet again. Right, your partner was.

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Speaker 1: Who my partner was, Philip Phillips exactly.

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Speaker 3: One of the greatest pickball players in music history.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like it, actually.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he is a sensational player, and we did win the amateur part of that tournament. But I will have to say that Philip Phillips definitely carried our team along.

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Speaker 3: You guys ended up beating Dirks.

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Speaker 1: We did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know.

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Speaker 3: You guys want the champitship.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it happened.

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Speaker 3: Look at this, I get somebody who's never played, and Morgan gets the greatest musical pick a ball player in the history of pick aball. I was talking to Philip like, ay, man, do you play? Is it me all the time? It weren't a league. We played all the time.

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Speaker 1: You can tell why the clothes he showed up into he did?

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Speaker 2: He did, he did, And it actually so.

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Speaker 1: It came down like in the normal like the normal competition, we were up against Dirks and Ben, Dirks's guitar player, who's amazing pick a ball player too, and so it was Dirk's and we lost to them, and then we went into the like whatever the other round is, and then we won our way back to the final against them, and then we beat them. And so the final was actually this full game where you played two points of singles and then the other two players swap in and out. So it was Ben and Philip Phillips, who were both great players, and then Dirks and I against each other and first to eleven and we just got away with it.

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Speaker 3: Well, congratulations to you for getting a much better partner than me.

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Speaker 2: I deserve any congratulations to that. But yes, not.

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Speaker 3: Because it's Chris, Because because guys, I never played, and I knew that if I had a teammate that'd played, we had a chance to win the thing. But whatever, what'd you get trophy or something?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: That gave us a paddle?

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Speaker 3: Didn't you think those pros were awesome?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I was actually shocked. I grew up playing tennis and so like, I was very aware of the difference between a pro tennis player and an amateur tennis.

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Speaker 2: Player that thought that were okay.

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Speaker 1: But pickleball is one of those things you can't tell when you watch a video if it comes up on your Instagram or whatever versus in real life, you can really see how much better they are.

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Speaker 3: Then it's just like, first of all, it's a lot of dinks over the net, yeah, which I never do because I don't know why. I didn't know why you would do that. But you're playing two on two or doubles as they call it. Yeah, I'm from the streets, we call it two on two.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 3: Basketball or whatever, and so it's you get up and dk think and you just dink it at little angles until somebody screws up and dinks it a little too high. Then it's just and the reflexes these people that wild to see. Yeah, who thought pickleball would take such athleticism?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty well a lot of those.

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Speaker 1: A lot of those guys and girls are all kind of X pro tennis players as well, or maybe they're tennis pros in their hometown or whatever, and now they're like, you know, taking on this new sport and doing really well.

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Speaker 3: My friend Andy Roddick one half million dollars playing a tournament. Well, there you go, with the torn meniscus in his knee. He's oh really, He toured the day before the tournament.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right. I mean he's about as an elite as an athlete can get, though he.

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Speaker 3: Never even played. He texted me and was like, you ever played pickleball? I said, yeah? He said, you any good? I said I, And I was thinking about you specifically and Brett, because I beat Brett a few times, but I didn't beat you, And I was like, you know what, I can play with him? I wouldn't say I better than the guys that are pretty good here, but I can I can compete. I said, why are you gonna start playing? He goes, start playing?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: Am I going to play? Once? Yes? I said, what are you doing? Because I'm gona play a tournament And I said, yeah, why He goes, it's for a million dollars and I was like, oh, he goes, I just signed a contract. I never played in my life, and so I'm like, oh, that's all. And so then I kept keeping track like how's it going, how's it going? And he would text me, and then the day before he's like, I tore the meniscus in my knee. I don't know what I'm gonna do. And I swear to all I'm thinking of is can I bet on this? Because I'm bet against him. If I could have found a place to.

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Speaker 1: Bet, you bet the injury.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought I had inst information. It was listed nowhere or I would have. And this is the same guy who when I went on Dancing with the Stars because I was at like forty one, I think you've put two thousand dollars I'm gonna win. I was the worst odds. That's the same game who bet on me to win. I was gonna bet against them.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: True friendship, True friendship.

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Speaker 1: Now. The best thing about pickleball, though, is as good as the pros are, and how amazing that experience was is that it's one of those games where you don't have to be very good. I have a good time.

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Speaker 3: You can get to be pretty good pretty quick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. We had like my whole band and crew last weekend out on the road.

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Speaker 2: We set up a net.

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Speaker 1: Like half of them never even played before, but they're all like kind of sent me athletic dudes, and we ended up having a great game for like fifteen or twenty minutes. So that's the best thing about the sports to me.

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Speaker 3: My trainer also, my friend's name is Kevin Klug, and we have a court in the backyard. It's a tennis court that we've turned into a little pickleball court and so and we just did it recently. But he's like, I never played before, and he's just played college football, Like he's jacked right right right, and he's like oh, and like he's trying to kill it at first, but like three games in he's like, oh, I get it, and then he became obsessed with it. Like most people do.

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Speaker 2: The strategy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty good. It's a pretty good game. So how surfing is your number one? Though? If you're gonna do something active, like you'll chase, you'll fly around the country to surf a world, I should.

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Speaker 1: Say, well, now, yeah, because I live here and there's no there's no waves.

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Speaker 3: But I'm saying you will. Let you will travel though, too, like you will purposefully seek out somewhere to go just to have a great surf. Is that what you call it? A great surf? Good serf?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, Like how was your surf?

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Speaker 3: If ybody asked that question?

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Speaker 1: Ever, great?

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Speaker 3: But does that actually ask like, how was your surf? Now? Are the waves?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Great?

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Speaker 2: I think you did well.

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Speaker 3: But ask me how How would you ask me how my day of surfing was?

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Speaker 1: How was it?

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Speaker 3: No? Oh my god? How was the That's how you would say how?

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Speaker 1: How? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Did you get out this morning?

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Speaker 1: Did you get any.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now this is the lingo I was Did you get out?

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Speaker 1: It was it fun?

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Speaker 3: Did you get out? Meaning? Were the waves acceptable enough for you to take your board and enter the water?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: And I think the conversation maybe depends who you're talking to.

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Speaker 2: If I was talking to a pro surfer.

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Speaker 1: Or some of my mates that I know that take it very seriously, would be very different to some of my mates that just have long boards out in LA and kind of you know, smash around on the weekends.

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Speaker 2: But either way you go, it's a fun time.

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Speaker 3: Where's the best place in the world that you have been you have surfed?

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Speaker 1: Oh man, there's lots, there's lots of great place.

00:22:45
Speaker 3: When I say though, the best place you've ever been, and you can even associate with a single time or adventure you've had at that place, Where's the best place you have been, the best time, best surf you've ever had.

00:22:59
Speaker 1: I do remember really fun week when one of my mates, who is Australian Indonesian, he got married in Bali and we all went to Bali for the wedding and I did get amazing waves there all around, like on almost every coastline of that place, which was pretty awesome. That was a long time ago now, but I still remember some of the waves from that, so that's good.

00:23:21
Speaker 2: I had a session at home in.

00:23:22
Speaker 1: Australia as well, in Byron Bay, which has now become quite a famous place.

00:23:27
Speaker 2: That was pretty That was pretty old time too.

00:23:29
Speaker 3: Is surfing like pizza, where even if it's not that good, it's still real good.

00:23:35
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, I'm sure it's different for everyone, but for me, I didn't realize how much of a big part of my life it was, even like not necessarily just the surfing aspect, but being near the ocean, spending time in the ocean. There's so many aspects to that, obviously being outside, being active, being in the salt water, but also like just being quiet for a second, also understanding the power of the ocean, how small that makes you feel. And there's something sort of meditative about surfing too. When you're on the wave, you can't I mean maybe you can, but you don't. You don't think about anything else other than what you're doing at that exact time, and that's a very kind of relaxing place to be. At least for me. That's a state that I find aspirational now. So I didn't realize how much I was going to miss that until I didn't have it anymore and sort of felt myself looking for things that made me feel like that, you know.

00:24:26
Speaker 3: The only time I have that, or I'm so consumed in something that I'm thinking of nothing else. Is when I'm playing Madden Football in PlayStation. There you go, yeah, I'm nowhere. Cool, it's not nature. But it's like I'm so focused. Yeah, I got to figure out the defensive scheme to stop well the computer. But I tell my wife, like, that's what I can do and just almost be mindless. Yeah, because I'm thinking about it, and yeah, you make people make fun of me, but I can almost escape what feels like the gears never stopping in my mind. Yeah, when I'm sitting there on the video game.

00:25:01
Speaker 1: Well, it's like it's that that balance of like you're fully engaged. Your brain is fully engaged in what you're doing, but like the monkey mind as they call it, has been kind of eliminated because you don't have space for it. You need to focus at all on this one thing. So for me, that's what that is. That's it's not like I've never aspired to be a great surfer, all the best, like you know, anything like that. It's just a it's a physical and mental experience that.

00:25:27
Speaker 2: I grew up with and and I feel like I need.

00:25:30
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00:25:44
Speaker 3: Are there people from where you're from that ended up turning that into a career, like a pro career pro surfers? Is that much? Is that big in your town that you're near the coast?

00:25:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's there's a there's Yeah. I grew up with some guys who were really good, for sure, and some of them took it really seriously, and I mean processing is tough, man like, unless you're in that top twenty, Like, it's a tough sport to be to be in. And some of them went and sort of chased after that, and some of them made a distinct choice to say, this is the thing that I love most.

00:26:18
Speaker 2: In my life.

00:26:18
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep it as that and not try to sort of mess with it in a professional way.

00:26:25
Speaker 3: I guess I'm wondering about sports culture where you're from. And I asked this because we me and you Brett went up to Iowa to watch a Arkansas basketball game that was fun, and I remember You've been like, well, this is not how this is not college in Australia. Everybody gets together and there were like four schools there too, and it wasn't even like super like people just going I mean I was going bananas, but like it wasn't just people.

00:26:48
Speaker 2: You were, which is great to see.

00:26:49
Speaker 3: By the way, it's my favorite thing in the whrrorle. Yeah, that's it. That's that's my favorite place.

00:26:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:26:54
Speaker 3: So what did you have collegiate athletics in Australia and were they as as as big as they are here? But just different sports?

00:27:03
Speaker 1: There is I'm sure there is, but.

00:27:06
Speaker 3: Where you're from, like what you grew up around and it we're supposed to.

00:27:09
Speaker 1: I think the main difference in Australia is with the like the big mainstream sports is there's no rules on when you can turn pro or go pro, so like if you're an extremely talented rugby player rugby league player when you're sixteen or seventeen.

00:27:25
Speaker 3: So rugby is a major sport if you go the first, that's a major sport you grow up around. Yeah.

00:27:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, rugby, rugby league AFL.

00:27:31
Speaker 1: And cricket. I would say the main ones.

00:27:32
Speaker 3: What's the difference in rugby and rugby league, Like they're very slight differences.

00:27:37
Speaker 1: It's kind of ridiculous how similar they are. It's the same game though there's similar concepts. Yeah, like if you maybe if you watched it like not knowing. If you didn't know either of the sports, you might be confused at first.

00:27:49
Speaker 2: I mean, if you know the sports at all, you can tell.

00:27:52
Speaker 3: But same ball, similar ball, Yeah, not even the same bob one.

00:27:55
Speaker 1: Has like a slightly more curved, slightly more pointy ends.

00:27:59
Speaker 3: Why would you play one the other?

00:28:00
Speaker 1: I think historically, and people will probably call me out for this if it's wrong place do, but I think historically one was more of a working class version of the game and one was more of an upper class version of the game, and.

00:28:11
Speaker 3: So I played the working class.

00:28:13
Speaker 1: Well, my town was definitely the working class version of the games. The Rugby League and the Newcastle Knights is my home team, which will always always be my team. But yeah, they're the two major kind of rugby sports, and then cricket and AFL as well, which is bigger in different parts of Australia than where I grew up in.

00:28:28
Speaker 3: When I went to Australia, I thought it felt like a very friendly San Diego everything about it except people drop on the other side of the road.

00:28:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was.

00:28:38
Speaker 3: It felt very much like America and where I was now I was in Sydney, right it was in the city, right, and I remember everybody being cool, and I remember I saw a bunch of people gathered at a sporting event. I'm like, let me go check that out, and I went. It was a cricket match. Yeah, I know what the crap was happening. Yeah, people were in chicken buckets on their head or something. Is that ring a belt? Were buckets on their head? Or is that just that one team that was doing that. I don't know, I mean, it must be one team.

00:29:05
Speaker 1: Is every possibility they like, often there'll be a theme around a specific game or something like that, or a big charity event around a specific game.

00:29:11
Speaker 3: But it was like baseball and lacrosse and like horse polo without the horses. Like that's what that game felt like where I didn't really know, but I felt like the goal was to keep the ball and play and you can also hit the ball behind you yep. And the games would last days.

00:29:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, five, there's a five day version of that game. Yeah what?

00:29:35
Speaker 2: Yeah?

00:29:37
Speaker 3: How many? I don't even know the questions to ask about.

00:29:41
Speaker 2: Two teams they each get.

00:29:44
Speaker 3: You played two winnings in five days.

00:29:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you can go five days, it can end early too, though, if one team really dominates, that's crazy.

00:29:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I just am draw into sports. I'm such a sports guy here, so I'm so curious about very similar cultures but that have completely different sports culture.

00:30:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they're pretty similar. I mean they're similar. I would say that baseball is out is like cricket. Cricket and baseball would be like interchangeable, and then the NFL football would be interchange with rugby or AFL or rugby league. Whichever coach you followed the most basketball?

00:30:16
Speaker 3: Did you guys follow NBA there? Yes?

00:30:19
Speaker 1: Uh, there was. There has been like pro basketball leagues in Australia on and off. There was when I was a kid, and I used to love going to it actually in my hometown. But through the years it's been less and honestly, I think the most promising basketball players in Australia generally try to you know, they want to be over here and competing on the level that happens in this country.

00:30:39
Speaker 3: Are you a pop artist over there?

00:30:42
Speaker 1: I mean I'm definitely a country how does it? But they do play, they play.

00:30:46
Speaker 2: They're playing a lot of country music in Australia at the moment.

00:30:49
Speaker 3: And that's the answer. Pop artist to me means are you getting played on top forty playlists or stations? Are you being put in top four? Or I guess top. I worked in pop forever, but it just meant the most popular music. Like we played poper Road Caught my Live, and then we play Britney Spears, then we play jay Z right, so I guess there? Are you popular? Well?

00:31:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we just put a tour on sale last night and I did three hours of press yesterday, and I spoke to all of the proper radio sessions.

00:31:22
Speaker 3: And how do to go? Do you sell tickets?

00:31:24
Speaker 2: It went really well.

00:31:25
Speaker 1: We were adding shows and pretty much all the cities, which is really cool. Good for you.

00:31:29
Speaker 3: I were about to do that. I'm gonna list some cities. I'm gonna do like eight to ten cities.

00:31:33
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:31:33
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're like me, but I get really nervous, and.

00:31:36
Speaker 2: I get so nervous too.

00:31:37
Speaker 1: I get so nervous too, and then like you know, for it to go well, it's like the biggest wave of good feelings but also a sigh of relief.

00:31:45
Speaker 3: You know, I get so nervous.

00:31:49
Speaker 2: How does that show up for you? How does no show up for you.

00:31:52
Speaker 3: In that situation. I because I'll do theaters in each seat is accounted for it, like you literally buy seats seats, so it's not like a show that would have like a amphitheater with a GA part of it club where you go, how many tickets two hundred and thirty six, Okay, what we need to sell whatever? More So, ILL do theaters that are around fifteen hundred to two thousand people, and if it doesn't sell sixty five to seventy five percent in the first weekend, I might kill myself. That's what I think. Yeah, and I've been lucky enough that a lot of them sell out or do eighty percent eighty five percent, but I'm like, I'm just so scared that well, I guess I'm over and I'm irrelevant now and nobody cares, like I'm petrified to that, and so that's what I think. Well, if I don't sell fifty to sixty five percent, because that's kind of but the data says if you can sell that, you can still sell out a show. So if I'm like, if I don't, might just kill myself.

00:32:55
Speaker 2: Here's a question I have for you.

00:32:57
Speaker 1: You do so many things, how do you think of your like, are you a radio guy that does this other stuff? Are you a TV personality that does radio music? Are you a music guy first that does How do you think about that?

00:33:10
Speaker 3: I'm a radio guy for sure, number one, number one. But radio is this, radio is any sort of audio. I'm an audio guy. That's what I should say. I feel first and foremost like I'm a long form audio guy because I feel like that is where bonds are made. I know, I listen to shows, like a podcast I listen to is part of my take. It's a sports show. Two guys I never met on my life. They don't know who I am, but I feel like I know them and like I depend on them and Bill Simmons, like I roll a Bill Simmons every Monday, Wednesday Friday, Like I have this relationship with them because I spend Monday, Wenday, Friday or Tuesday, Thursday or whatever the case is. I spend two and three hours with these people. And so it takes me to have that relationship to understand what people have with me. And so that's why, first and foremost I'm an audio guy, radio podcast, whatever the case is. And then after that, I just still crap against the wall and hope something sticks because I just don't feel like I'm that that dynamic at anything. So I tried to jump in head first and learn as much as I can, as fast as I can. With stand up comedy, that's all I did. I was like, I've never done this before. Oh here we go, and I went from tear. It's like pickleball. I went from terrible to pretty good pretty quick.

00:34:23
Speaker 1: Can I just jump in there? Stand up comedy is nothing like pickleball.

00:34:26
Speaker 2: It is completely terrifying to me. The idea of doing that.

00:34:30
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'll give you the terrifying part. But I'm I get terrified of heights, not of looking like a fool. Right, I'm okay with that. I've done my whole life looking like an idiot. And I can work quick on my feet, like I do know. My skill is that is working quick. So I would say that with stand up it was like pickleball to me, where I got pretty good relatively in a timely manner. I won't say fast, but it's going from pretty good to good. That's unless you're doing it every day. It is almost impossible. It is such such a craft and such a skill. It's something you have to hone every night. And I have friends who do it as a career. That's why I will never call myself a comedian. And I can sell more tickets than a lot of my friends. I can sell more tickets to do on a comedy show than a lot of my friends who are comedians. But they're still way better of a comedian than I am. Right now, I think I'm getting pretty good. Still, I getting a little better.

00:35:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went.

00:35:23
Speaker 3: I did a ten minut said at the Operaty last night, mostly new stuff and the opera is a tough crowd because they're older and some of the stuff doesn't work on and it was good, and I walked off going like, man, I might be getting pretty good at this. That's usually met with a real bomb soon, But that to me. I'm an audio guy. I love doing comedy. TV is super easy and cool. That's like the fancy jewel. And then writing books sucks.

00:35:54
Speaker 2: It's just so much.

00:35:56
Speaker 3: It's the worst. Yeah, it's it's terrible, worst part of the job. I mean, I created the job, but it's worst part of the job. I hate it, hate every second of it because it's just NonStop and you pour over it and you have to relive all this crap that you already went through because you want to put the crap out there and you want to put the good stuff out there, and you're reliving these traumas and someone's then looking at it going, yeah, this is here where you talk about the drug addiction. Oh, can you make that little funnier? And you're like, man, oh my god, yeah I know. He So what about you? Would you say that you are a first and foremost? Are you a songwriter? Are you a singer? Are you I don't know. How would you define what you do as your favorite part of it? Because you are all of it, just like I am all of these things?

00:36:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you? I think I started as a stop I think I started as an entertainer. I think that's like the first I remember the first gig that I went to play as a thirteen year old, like literally thirteen, Like we forced me and my mate forced my eleven year old brother to learn how to play bass guitar to play it is a gig And I didn't even think about it. I was like, Oh, we better write some songs for this show.

00:37:05
Speaker 3: So you got the show before you wrote the songs and then you're like, well, we got a show coming up, we better write some songs.

00:37:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they were the first, the first songs I wrote, and they were terrible. I'm not saying they were good songs, but that was kind of the the impetus to write, to write those songs. And I think more and more, especially you know, having lived in this town for a little while and worked in this town for a little while, the songwriting part is the part that I've fallen in love with more. And I think that's probably evened out over the last however, seven or eight years since I got here.

00:37:33
Speaker 3: So entertainer first, and then you started to love the other things.

00:37:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, I started.

00:37:39
Speaker 3: I love songwriting.

00:37:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you know, I would consider myself a songwriter, a singer songwriter now, like a true sense of.

00:37:46
Speaker 3: The world, I would I would consider you that, I would consider you a singer songwriter. What do you This is it's a weird, vague question, but what do you feel like is the best song you've ever written that when you listen back to it, you don't question any small part or how the bridge got there or that lyric. What do you feel that has been recorded is the best song you've ever written.

00:38:07
Speaker 1: I mean, in terms of things that I don't want to go back and change. I think over for You is probably it's probably that that song over Few and on My Own Again both feel like very pure representations of where I was at a time. I would also say a song called Dance with Me on my first album would be that as well.

00:38:26
Speaker 2: Like they sound.

00:38:29
Speaker 1: Exactly the way that I intended them too.

00:38:32
Speaker 3: When you you said over what was the second one?

00:38:36
Speaker 1: You say? Over for you? On my Own again?

00:38:37
Speaker 3: Okay, on my own again? When that came out, that had nothing to do and you can correct me if I'm right or wrong. I had nothing to do with your relationship status.

00:38:46
Speaker 5: Right?

00:38:46
Speaker 3: Don you already have that song and you were putting it out and people were just saying that just drawing conclusions or did it?

00:38:52
Speaker 1: No, that was a chorus that was written kind of sort of shortly after all that it was went down.

00:38:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I remember it coming out and sing it on Instagram, and maybe I just made that story up in my head and people were like uh.

00:39:04
Speaker 1: And you were like, well, the other two songs, maybe that's what the other two songs that came out on the Life Upside Down ep you were from May last year. We started recording those, so they sort of there was no like chronology that made sense there with us.

00:39:17
Speaker 3: What were those titles? Let me see if I could make that work?

00:39:20
Speaker 2: Hey little Mama and all right here, Hey.

00:39:22
Speaker 3: Little Mama does not work to be angry at you for that one was the other one? All right here?

00:39:25
Speaker 1: Yeah?

00:39:26
Speaker 3: Your hardes see what does hey little mama?

00:39:27
Speaker 1: Mike?

00:39:28
Speaker 3: Well you playing a little bit of this?

00:39:29
Speaker 1: There you go?

00:39:35
Speaker 3: Now, I look at because I played this on our Country Top thirty, our Countdown and I played the song and I remember looking at the songwriters on it.

00:39:52
Speaker 1: It was like, Laura Belts, Yeah, you, Jimmy, Josh, Josh Thompson and.

00:39:59
Speaker 3: Oh okay so Josh okay, Yeah, that's pretty pretty powerful a group of songwriters there. Do you guys do that together?

00:40:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, Josh was on on Zoom, so he was up on a screen kind of like this in the studio. But yeah, before I did it.

00:40:14
Speaker 3: Is that the only song you wrote that day?

00:40:17
Speaker 1: Yes, I've written a number of songs with Jimmy and Laura, but that was the only one we wrote.

00:40:22
Speaker 3: That's what I was asking because there I've seen them listed in your songs before. I wonder if you'd written them when you record Hey Little Mama, is that title Hey little Mama. I don't know, like, hey baby, hey little but did you think people are gonna think I'm like, hey sweetheart?

00:40:39
Speaker 1: Or no, people are going to think, you.

00:40:40
Speaker 3: Know, because you know dudes being like hey baby, hey sweetheart, Hey little sugar lips? You know, like, did that come in your mind at all? I guess it did.

00:40:49
Speaker 1: That didn't come into my mind.

00:40:50
Speaker 3: I made it. Should probably written hey little Mama.

00:40:54
Speaker 1: I thought it was a cute nickname at the time.

00:40:56
Speaker 3: Got it It probably is?

00:40:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, it probably is. Yeah, thanks, though I hope I know.

00:41:01
Speaker 3: I don't want I don't want to stick. And I like the song so much, like I said, I played it on the Countdown and I think it's a really catchy song. But I wondered when you were like, hey baby, I don't know, hey, hey.

00:41:13
Speaker 2: Sugar Lips will be the follow up?

00:41:15
Speaker 1: Yeah?

00:41:16
Speaker 3: Are you like picking up what I'm putting down at all?

00:41:18
Speaker 1: No?

00:41:18
Speaker 3: I really do, because I just would never say to something. Maybe it's because you're just better looking at like more of like a dude, like hey little mom. I could never pull that off. Maybe that's what I'm jealous of.

00:41:28
Speaker 2: It's not like a stranger.

00:41:29
Speaker 1: Let's get to the root of it. I'm insecure and not walking down the street saying hey little mama to people. I think a song. No, no, it's not like the whistle. It's like it's an endearing one. I think.

00:41:40
Speaker 3: Okay, well I still couldn't If I went into my house right now and my wife is over there right now, I said, hey, lit Mama, she would laugh out loud at me.

00:41:47
Speaker 1: Well, you couldn't do it like that. You can't trail off at the end.

00:41:50
Speaker 3: Hey lo ma, hey little mom.

00:41:55
Speaker 1: Look, I believe in you believe I think.

00:41:58
Speaker 3: All my insecurity it went to a head. I thought at first it was like hey baby, No, it's just I can't pull it off. So I feel like I'm jealous people who can pull off something like hey little Mama and people don't laugh at them.

00:42:09
Speaker 1: Do you have it?

00:42:10
Speaker 2: Do you have a nickname that you use you?

00:42:11
Speaker 1: Is it just babe, hey baby or something like that?

00:42:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, babe probably, yeah.

00:42:18
Speaker 1: You go, But you didn't come out with that straight away, right. You graduated to that after a little while of.

00:42:22
Speaker 3: Her real name is babe. It's babe Caitlin her it's her literal real name. Okay, Okay, I'm glad I asked that. Yeah, to the root of my insecurities.

00:42:31
Speaker 5: There The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the Bobby Cast.

00:42:45
Speaker 3: On the Life Upside Down EP. It's gonna roll through some of these real quick over for you. A little more music, a little more sonically. Is that sonically little different? Did the original version? Or if I just heard you played on piano so many times, I'm just associating.

00:43:04
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, there is a live version of just me like a vocal piano.

00:43:08
Speaker 3: That's what I have heard so many times, Mike, Where you play this again? When that song? I just want to know what was going through your head the first time you played it, because I don't think you had any intention of it going viral because you didn't post it. That's the thing. There's no way you could add an intention because you didn't post it some random fan of yours posted on TikTok. Before you go play it, is it a safe place where you feel like nothing you say or play is actually going to leave that room? Or are you going all right, I'm gonna play this song that's very personal and it'll probably get out and it is what it is.

00:43:55
Speaker 1: Well, the first time I played it was at a festival in Australia.

00:43:57
Speaker 3: Because it wasn't that time that the recorded was oh okay.

00:44:01
Speaker 1: It was a festival in Austria called sam ser Rox and I walked out to the piano and it was the biggest headline show we'd ever played before, and uh, there's a lot going on at that time. Man, it was a really weird time of life.

00:44:14
Speaker 3: And uh, I just for you to play that song, I just want to know what you're thinking as you play it as far as the song the life of the song. Are you going this thing is going to exist now? Or are you doing like I do where I'm like, I'm gonna testing jokes on. If they don't work, I'm either going to fix something or I'm never doing them again.

00:44:31
Speaker 1: I don't think it wasn't. It was so not pretymeditated that I didn't think about that stuff. It was a I'm walking to the piano now, I feel like I need to play the song right now.

00:44:42
Speaker 3: That was it. Did you have it in your mind that you would have played that song before the set started or was it a I might pivot and do this.

00:44:55
Speaker 1: It's kind of an open section of the set. It's a set where part of the set where I go over and I played piano, and there's any one of like three or four songs I could play. And we had written this song the week before, but it was I mean, I was I guess there was a possibility that I could play it, but not enough that I'd practiced it enough, which is evidenced by the fact that if you listen to that first version that went viral on TikTok, it's actually in a different key than.

00:45:19
Speaker 3: The actual No. One notices, and I wouldn't even notice that.

00:45:23
Speaker 2: The reason I noticed is because I went to the chorus.

00:45:25
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this is so much higher than I wrote this song.

00:45:29
Speaker 2: Am I going to get to these notes?

00:45:30
Speaker 1: And I think it was purely for the fact that there was twenty two thousand people there. The amount of adrenaline in my body allowed me to sing that.

00:45:37
Speaker 2: Chorus that way.

00:45:37
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, I don't know.

00:45:40
Speaker 2: I can't. That's one of those moments I can't really explain.

00:45:42
Speaker 3: But when you furnished it, we were like, well, how I get back? Oh, I got to get back to my set.

00:45:48
Speaker 1: I don't know.

00:45:49
Speaker 3: I just I have a joke series that haven't gotten too yet. It's about the history country music, and it's about and I'll relate this back to your story. But I thought I might do itlast night at the operator. I didn't yea, and I thought, if it feels right, I'm going to do it. But it's about the history country music and how I get really annoyed at people who say that things aren't country. And it's a very serious thing at the beginning, and it's you know, you get a bunch of dudes with Copenhagen and their lip going, I ain't country, and they like to hate on anything that isn't The music that they've been taught was traditionally country music. I said, but what ain't country is them because country music came from two places. You either got to be a black artist or a European artist. And the black artists came from Africa. They're the ones who brought the banjos. That's why the banjos from is in the South, like they brought the banjo to America on slave ships. So country music black artists and European artists who had the fiddle, they met, they created country music, and so that if you want to root it back to what is really country. If you ain't European, are you in a black artist, you ain't country. And so I do this and that's the truth, and it's very serious, and I say, I don't want to run the whole joke here, but for the sake of this story, I say, nothing that you guys think is country is country. Shanaia Twain, she's from Canada, she ain't country. Keith Urban, he's from New Zealand. He and country and his last name is Urban. And then I go through whatever, and the joke ends up with you know and the songs you know, Garth Brooks and have friends in low places anymore. The lowest place his friend is when he's coming in on his G six or you know, he's he's calling Baton rouge from his private plane, that kind of stuff, right, So it lightens up a little bit. And it's always a pivot place that I have if I feel really good about it or really passionate. And I haven't hit that spot yet, and I thought I was going to do it last night. And that's why I ask about that song, because it was a pivot place for you where you could have gone there, and you did. And then when it's over, can you stop thinking about it for the rest of the set or can you separate and just continue doing a really great Morgan show.

00:47:52
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean what was interesting about that is I went straight into an acoustic katama on another show and I played like a bunch of like for the just for the purpose of getting more songs in the set. I played like a medley of love songs straight after that. It was like extra extra epically heavy, you know, but it was it was there was like it was such a real human moment for me on stage, and I think as someone that's kind of always kind of been more private, that moment felt like a freeing kind of moment and I didn't realize it at the time until maybe after the show that like there was a weight lifted off my shoulders because I was like, oh cool, I just was able to say that do that. It was an amazing show too. It was amazing feeling the crowd is insane and went to bed going cool. I think we did the big show in my career and I feel really happy about it, you know, And then it wasn't until the next morning we woke up because the time difference with Australia and America that you know, people like you had played.

00:48:52
Speaker 3: Because we don't talk work. We really don't talk work. I mean just very early do we go music.

00:48:57
Speaker 2: No, it's mostly pickable.

00:48:58
Speaker 3: It's pickaball, or it's like light stuff yeah, or comedy stuff or podcast that we're listening to. Like it's like two people talk about when they're just friends. Yeah, So this stuff I don't get to ask it. But when you wake up and I've played it on my show, are you like, God, dang it, dude, I mean, are you like because that's okay?

00:49:14
Speaker 1: Are you like what? Like?

00:49:15
Speaker 3: Why did you make a deal out of this?

00:49:19
Speaker 1: I think my first reaction was, God, I wish I played that in the right key.

00:49:27
Speaker 2: Oh look, I can't. It was such a weird.

00:49:32
Speaker 1: Time, man like, just emotionally and personally that I can't, like pinpoint and answer to that question specifically.

00:49:39
Speaker 3: Did I disappoint you? No, I mean, honestly, as as rough.

00:49:46
Speaker 1: A time that was and as hard of a time that that song came out of the way that I've related to people and connected with people through that song in the last six seven months has been an extremely positive experience. And I noticed as soon as that happened, when you guys played the song and people started to find out about it, that all the comments and messages I was getting changed.

00:50:07
Speaker 3: But did that start it? I guess, my my, it's not a fear because it already happened. But what I what my possibility is that makes me a little nervous and feel a little guilty.

00:50:20
Speaker 1: Is that?

00:50:22
Speaker 3: And maybe I just my ego is too big. But I feel like I was a part of the reason that a lot of the hard stuff that happened to you happen to you. But because if I just shut up and not played the song and just been like, well, I just do something. Yeah, I don't know, I feel like that. And then because I had you on the show right after, I feel like that kind of put a little target on you because of me.

00:50:41
Speaker 1: Nah, dude, I mean, if anything, I would say thank you, I will say like, I'm the kind of maybe kind of person that had I not played it and then you know, sat on a song like that for more few more weeks or a few more months or whatever, and maybe it never came out. I think that would be really like having the experience that I've had now, it would be sad to think that that song wouldn't have come out. So I'm really proud of it as a songwriter and as a person, and I appreciate you sharing it with people.

00:51:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're probably still mad, but and I don't know how and I'll get off this, but I don't know, and you can say nothing, and if I prefer you to say nothing, I just have to say this because people are like, just good to you, your friend. You didn't ask a question, so I'll maybe ask a question. I'm just gonna say, I know, the last few months have been extremely hard. Maybe not have the last few but in the last eight months it's been a very difficult time. And I wouldn't have had the composure that you have had. And I'm just making a statement. If there's anything you want to say to that, you can or you can just say cool, thank you. But I would not have had the composure that you have had because I'd have been burning places down and I had to be in trouble and it have been a bad decision for me. And I don't know what if that's your parents the tatchya, I don't know who it was in your life that gave you whatever mature central part of your system that said, you know what, right now, I ain't good. It's gonna be a lot worse if I do something dumb. Whoever did that give them a medal because I compliment you on when it sucked real bad. You just sitting back and going this too, shop ass.

00:52:16
Speaker 2: Thanks man. Yeah, I really appreciate you saying that.

00:52:18
Speaker 1: And I I am very grateful for a lot of the people in my life around me that that I work with, that I'm related to and just friends you know that have been through similar versions of that, And that was the advice and that was what I tried to stick to. And yeah, I appreciate you saying it.

00:52:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember telling you a couple of my stories where I was like, dude, you don't believe this. Yeah, like mob, like I'll want people giving me death threats, and like just it sucks when the internet, the Internet's rough every individual. This is like sports a couple compared to sports teams.

00:52:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate.

00:52:59
Speaker 3: Tennessee volunteer fans as a group, hate them, hate them. I'd eliminate them from the planet if I could. Yeah, I think every single single person like this individual. People that love Tennessee football are awesome. I never met an individual that loves Tennessee football that I don't like. They're amazing, But when they get that fan base together, I just want to kill them. Same thing with Texas Longhorns, Like I just hate them so much. Individually. I mean, I have Austin's home to me, Like, individually, I got some great friends that coach Texas or are a big but together as a group I hate. It's like the freaking Internet. Yeah, all together awful. Individually they're probably good people, but on the Internet, just terrible. And when it gangs up on you, it sucks. It felt like the whole world's against you.

00:53:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a place that's set up for reasonable communication. It is not like it's definitely and you see that especially with politics in this country. It's like it's set up for a place where like the loudest, most, like outlandish voice, soul, like you know, commentator.

00:54:00
Speaker 3: Who gets the attention we'll get first.

00:54:01
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.

00:54:02
Speaker 3: So is that weird for you here to see politics be so divisive? I mean, you're here, you're one of us now, But yeah, is it it's not is it like that there has that spilled over into Australia where now they're just going at each other as well.

00:54:16
Speaker 2: It's it's less, it's less, way less than it is here for sure. The football team things.

00:54:23
Speaker 1: What made me think of that is because I feel like here you kind of you kind of root for politicians the same way you do for football teams. And that's kind of just wild to me about Yeah, I just I say that to say that it's not really about making sense of things. It's more about like what team will be on and like yell as well as we can, and you know, you just kind of have to kind of acknowledge that.

00:54:43
Speaker 3: So the EP of all five of these songs, yeah, over for you. We hey a little moment, let me do all right here, like oh.

00:54:54
Speaker 1: It's by the way, I thank you mam.

00:54:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's good one. It's like Bronco listen to mu'sic but when it's.

00:55:00
Speaker 2: Not raining, yeah on the sunny day.

00:55:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that one.

00:55:03
Speaker 3: And then here's let's do on my own again that he mentioned earlier times up around Evan.

00:55:16
Speaker 1: Again.

00:55:17
Speaker 3: So you're going away, You're gonna do this tour and tickets are pretty good. You need a big ticket plug here. Are you pretty sold out everywhere?

00:55:25
Speaker 1: We're doing American shows over the summer which haven't been announced yet. Uh, there's just a handful of headline things. We're doing some festivals, and we're doing some stuff with Billy Carrington actually, which should be super fun before we go to Australia in August.

00:55:37
Speaker 3: Billy Carrington has sneaky hits. There's a lot of them, sneaky hits. It's like, oh, yeah, I look.

00:55:43
Speaker 1: At that one, Oh that one. Oh my god.

00:55:45
Speaker 3: Like a lot sneaky great songs.

00:55:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, a lot of them that sound good in the summer time too.

00:55:51
Speaker 3: Billy came to the studio. I like Billy. Billy came to the studio once. And I think Billy and I relate on the level of we don't really like it here sometimes. You know. I love my wife and my dogs and my crew that I brought here. I don't like this town that much industry wise, and that's probably why I've not been very involved in it. It's probably why it doesn't like me sometimes. And Billy kind of feels the same way, you know, He's like, I'm not staying in Nashville, and so I think we always kind of had that if he was living in Georgia or Hawaii, where he's out a lot now. And the last two times I've seen Billy, he's been like, hey, dude, take my number again. Come to Hawaii. Just come stay, You'll luk, just come You're good, Just come to stay with me and if you want to come over. And I'm like, I don't know Billy well enough to just make plans like I'm gonna go see Billy, but like for a dude to be like that, yeah, that's fairly welcoming, very welcoming.

00:56:49
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you really feel like that, Like the town doesn't like you?

00:56:51
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, town hates me? What in wh I never embraced it. I feel like there's there are good people here. I feel like generally it's just for me been people that want to be friends or use me to get to a hire, to use it as for clout to get on the show, to get on it. I felt that so much that even if it's not true now, I felt it so much that I can't shake it. And it's happened so many times when I'm like, oh, this person wants to be a friend let's be friends. Oh oh, oh oh, I got the true intentions now where I've penalized my real friends for it early on. I've got one that I would consider a dear friend now and he's in music and we'd spent a lot of time together and he was like, Hey, I'm just sletting you know. I'm putting this song out and I've not done anything country, but it's going to come out and it's a countryish thing. He didn't tell me, he didn't say play it, he didn't say anything, but I was so I quickly I was triggered and I was like, oh, you're doing it too. I ain't talk. I didn't talk to him for weeks, and he was like, dude, what's up, what what what's happened here? And I was like, bro, yeah, I got your into It's like no, no, no. And my wife had to like set me down and go like, don't let those traumas from way early keep you from making friends now. You can have whatever walls you need to have to help make you healthy, Yeah, but don't build extra walls now to cut other people out of your life that are already in it. But this time for me, in that way has sucked. I feel like it's a lot of people that have done I will say dummy dirty, but have done things to make me feel like it's for a certain reason and it's not. Yeah, so that's why I'm not a big fan of it. I feel like it's pretty dishonest. The industry is pretty dishonest.

00:58:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had I feel like obviously I've had personal situation in the last little while, but like even before that, I find this town for you know, country music, which is like the world we are kind of in or la for like my friends that are ritas and actors and stuff like that. They're almost like the town versions of what social media is. Like every corner there's someone else doing what you're doing, seemingly better or more successful or and so there's this like hustle or pressure.

00:59:09
Speaker 2: Kind of feeling.

00:59:10
Speaker 1: And maybe that's my version of what you're talking about, is like the I'm not sure who or why these relationships are happening, and it's funny, like I kind of felt a little bit the way you're describing at the end of last year about this town of like, God, this makes me feel just gross when I'm here at the moment and then I went back to Australia for a month at Christmas, and just like I went to my hometown, I went and visited my grandparents or old mates. I went for a road trip in my old van, like up the East Coast, and then I came back to Nashville and it was like it felt almost new again in the way of like, oh, I remember why I came here, and I see all the good things, and I can acknowledge that kind of hustle feeling and sort of catch it before it takes over what I think of this place.

00:59:57
Speaker 2: And I just find like, if you get out of this place and you.

01:00:00
Speaker 1: Come back with a perspective like kind of like the fresh eyes kind of thing, that was super healthy for me. And I feel like I've I've remembered what I love about the place, and I kind of just focus on that and try to enjoy that part of it when I'm here.

01:00:14
Speaker 3: That's sweet. That's why I hate it, just the industry part of it. Like I think that that individually the people I like them, Yeah, but together it's like a football team or like the Internet. Yet it's not for me. Yeah, Okay, I've moved tomorrow if I could right. I've moved tomorrow. I've moved to back to Austin or to Fayville, Arkansas. Okay, but then have a place where it's warmer. I hate cold, but yeah, the industry is just gross to me.

01:00:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I never want had to escape.

01:00:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe that's why.

01:00:46
Speaker 6: Yeah, hang tight, The Bobby Cast will be right back and we're back on the Bobby.

01:01:00
Speaker 3: Asked, look, waiting there for an hour? Here's the deal, Morgan's gonna be Are you doing Brett young stef still? Is that over?

01:01:07
Speaker 2: We just finished last week?

01:01:08
Speaker 3: How'd that go?

01:01:08
Speaker 1: Yeah? That was great man?

01:01:09
Speaker 3: Yeah they got any good?

01:01:10
Speaker 1: Really fun?

01:01:11
Speaker 2: Is that guy any good?

01:01:12
Speaker 1: Yeah? He's great man him and his old crew.

01:01:14
Speaker 2: I like Brett. Yeah that's good.

01:01:16
Speaker 3: Okay. So the Life Upside Down EP, it's out the Life Upside Down Tour where Australia. We have a pretty big following Australia on this podcast, believe it or not. Yeah, who knew?

01:01:28
Speaker 1: Well? I love country music down who knew?

01:01:30
Speaker 3: I didn't know what we do Australia and New Zealand this September and then you're doing a bunch of shows here yeap in like summer festivals. Are you working on new music again already.

01:01:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the plan. Over the summer.

01:01:46
Speaker 1: We have a handful of shows, but I'm mostly going to be here, yeah, making this next record.

01:01:51
Speaker 3: Have you done many interviews in America in the past three or four months.

01:02:01
Speaker 1: I mean I've done the odd like phone conversation about a show or something like that. This is the first time I've sat down though, really.

01:02:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, well, and you don't hate me, no, I enjoy enjoy your company, right, making sure. I always felt a little guilty about that about the song, about taking the song and just playing the whole thing and been like, look at this, light it on fire, let it go, burn it down, you know how I am. I'll run at something I don't. It may not break, I may not knock it down, but I'll run out it until I'm freaking knocked my head off.

01:02:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I probably was like, ah, I didn't think you knocked anyone.

01:02:36
Speaker 3: I like it. Yeah, Okay, there is Morgan Evans going to the Where are you going now? Where are you going to? Airport?

01:02:41
Speaker 2: We're going to Minneapolis.

01:02:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been there, going up.

01:02:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, opposite of Australia, the exact opposite. If there was one city that was opposite of where you're from. It's that one.

01:02:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, it gets pretty cold up there. I've got a couple of good friends up there that I'm looking forward to catching up with them, and we're playing a show and that should be really fun.

01:02:59
Speaker 3: Mike and I went and we found the Mary telling More statue. Didn't you know who Mary Tellymore is? You're gonna make it after all?

01:03:07
Speaker 1: I don't think I did.

01:03:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, said she has a statue though in Minneapolis. Wow, your homework assignment is to watch every episode of it and then come back and tell me about it. Mary Tyllymore show.

01:03:17
Speaker 2: Okay, I associate Minneapolis.

01:03:19
Speaker 3: With Prince also Prince Yeah Haisley Park All right, yes, he gonna he there. He can come to your show.

01:03:25
Speaker 2: Is Prince gonna come to the I think so?

01:03:28
Speaker 3: All right. There is Morgan Evans. You guys following him at Morgan Evans Music on both Instagram and TikTok. Good to see you, buddy, Thanks to being one of my favorite people in the whole world. And next time I'll let you take me home and I lot key's in my car. Deal.

01:03:41
Speaker 4: I would really enjoy you telling me that there is Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production