Man of Steel (2013) vs. Superman I & II (1978 & 1981): Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, we're back for part two of the Superman
<v Speaker 1>one and two versus Man of Steel debate once again.
<v Speaker 1>John Reid from the thirty something Movie podcast is joining us.
<v Speaker 3>Hey John, Hey guys, I'm really excited. Thank you so
<v Speaker 3>much for having me back here. I am I'm ready
<v Speaker 3>to throw down like that that Muhammad Ali Superman think.
<v Speaker 3>I'm ready to throw down. Mite this out. You know,
<v Speaker 3>May the best Superman win, all right.
<v Speaker 4>I know that in Man of Steel there is no
<v Speaker 4>Lex Luthor, but I think we should talk about Gene
<v Speaker 4>Hackman for just a second.
<v Speaker 1>Gene Hackman is maybe, next to Christopher Reeve, my favorite
<v Speaker 1>part of the Superman one and two series. He is
<v Speaker 1>not the mustache twirling villain at all. Anything that you
<v Speaker 1>get from him that's evil is just dialogue that he's speaking.
<v Speaker 1>In all other respects, he seems kind of like a
<v Speaker 1>funny guy and easy to get along with, other than
<v Speaker 1>he's so full of himself.
<v Speaker 4>When he was hired, he had a mustache.
<v Speaker 1>This is like mustache Gene Hackman. Yeah, the original posters
<v Speaker 1>had a picture of Marlon Brando and Gene Hackman, and
<v Speaker 1>Gene Hackman had a full on Mustache's crazy and he
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to shave.
<v Speaker 4>Didn't want to shave his mustache. Number one didn't want
<v Speaker 4>to shave his head either. But Dick Donner called him
<v Speaker 4>and he said, all right, listen, dude, if you if
<v Speaker 4>you'll shave your mustache, I'll shave my mustache. So Hagman's like,
<v Speaker 4>all right, Well, Dick Donner didn't have a mustache.
<v Speaker 3>Not only that, he when he said I'll shave my
<v Speaker 3>mustache if you shave yours, he actually had a fake
<v Speaker 3>mustache on.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And then after Gene Hackman, Yeah, after Gene Hackman shaped
<v Speaker 3>his he's like all right, He's like, okay, cool and pep.
<v Speaker 3>And that's the story why Gene Hackman didn't come back
<v Speaker 3>for the sequel.
<v Speaker 4>I think it's funny that, like Sluther' is supposed to
<v Speaker 4>have all these hair pieces. But I mean, anybody you
<v Speaker 4>know who were there's a two bay that has a bultiplier.
<v Speaker 4>So anytime you see Hackman, it's bald. It's a bald cat.
<v Speaker 4>But I love Gene Hackman. He's charming, he's funny. I
<v Speaker 4>talked to you the other day and I'm like, when
<v Speaker 4>he first meets Superman and kind of lures him too
<v Speaker 4>his layer by making that vague thread about toxin gas
<v Speaker 4>or whatever. He doesn't have a plan to commit any
<v Speaker 4>kind of crime, and yet he has instant credibility and
<v Speaker 4>Superman shows up and not kicks in his door.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like that happens every day on Twitter. In addition
<v Speaker 1>to Lex Luthor, we didn't have Otis, who was played
<v Speaker 1>by Beatie, who was fantastic.
<v Speaker 3>It means mister luthworw it.
<v Speaker 1>Just aside real quick. The officers, the police officers and
<v Speaker 1>Superman one not only know who Lex Luthor is, but
<v Speaker 1>know who his goons are because they see Otis inside
<v Speaker 1>to start following. That scene when the guy gets pushed
<v Speaker 1>in front of the train was draumatic for me as
<v Speaker 1>a kid. I remember that. But his partner, the other
<v Speaker 1>I guess he must have done pretty well because he
<v Speaker 1>ends up being the police chief for Riggs and murdoffin
<v Speaker 1>that sign says Riggs, Yeah, but I don't give up.
<v Speaker 4>You don't have Miss Testmaker in a Man of Steel either, No,
<v Speaker 4>you don't.
<v Speaker 1>Valet Perene, oh my word.
<v Speaker 4>Her cleavage caused the entire US military.
<v Speaker 1>To fall apart at the end of Superman One, Right,
<v Speaker 1>I mean the I Dream of Jeanie Guy had some
<v Speaker 1>five transferred over to the Army branch, and he was
<v Speaker 1>high enough in command to be solely responsible.
<v Speaker 4>She literally lays down, shows her boobs, and he assumes
<v Speaker 4>control of nuclear weapon.
<v Speaker 1>I can remember it's so I have it. He's ten
<v Speaker 1>years old right now, and this has been five years
<v Speaker 1>because he has been five four or five years old.
<v Speaker 1>And I had Superman on a tablet of some kind
<v Speaker 1>and he was sitting with me, and we're watching Superman
<v Speaker 1>for the first time, and it gets to that scene
<v Speaker 1>where she's in the green bathing suit and she's laying
<v Speaker 1>down and you know, her chest is just in her arms,
<v Speaker 1>and my four to five year old son pushes pause
<v Speaker 1>on the tablet, stops stops going, and goes dad, when
<v Speaker 1>I grow up and get married, I'm going to marry
<v Speaker 1>a girl like her, all right, Drell? Okay, so Durell.
<v Speaker 1>We've got Marlon Brando, who we've talked about, and Russell
<v Speaker 1>Crowe from Man of Steel. Marlon Brando was paid three
<v Speaker 1>point and there's some rough estimation on the figures here,
<v Speaker 1>but somewhere between three point five and three point seven
<v Speaker 1>million dollars for his performance in this which is less
<v Speaker 1>than twenty minutes long, and then got an absurd percentage
<v Speaker 1>on the back end of like eleven and three quarters
<v Speaker 1>and still sue to get more money. And then before
<v Speaker 1>they started shooting, he called and tried to convince Dick
<v Speaker 1>Donner that instead of having him appear on screen, that
<v Speaker 1>they could do a talking suitcase or a bagel of
<v Speaker 1>some kind, because nobody knows what Kryptonians really look like,
<v Speaker 1>so why not just use his voice. It's funny to
<v Speaker 1>listen to an interview with him about the amount of
<v Speaker 1>money that he was paid. People pay what they deem
<v Speaker 1>something is worth, and some things are worth more than others.
<v Speaker 1>Cars are worth more than hula hoops, which I listened
<v Speaker 1>to it, I laughed out loud just because of the idea.
<v Speaker 1>And then I watched the movie. I was like, oh
<v Speaker 1>my gosh, there's actually hula hoops in his scene. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>the hula hoops that are keeping the criminals from escaping.
<v Speaker 4>And in fairness to him, though, he's absolutely right and
<v Speaker 4>he was the key piece to getting this done.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, well, I mean, certainly he had the star
<v Speaker 1>power to demand what he got, and you know, Dick
<v Speaker 1>Donner and his interview says, I was really skeptical of
<v Speaker 1>the idea of paying Marlon Branda this much money, but
<v Speaker 1>once I started working with him, I realized, yeah, he's
<v Speaker 1>worth it. Well what about Russell Crowe? Where are we
<v Speaker 1>with Russell Crowe? Okay, so I know you love Russell,
<v Speaker 1>love us. We've had this talk. I didn't like him
<v Speaker 1>and Gladiator, but I thought he did fantastic in this.
<v Speaker 1>I thought he was a compelling drill who was smart
<v Speaker 1>and active and had a plan, and he was great.
<v Speaker 1>He's great as a hologram. This part was a little confused.
<v Speaker 4>I always have this the AI, you know, can they
<v Speaker 4>hear me?
<v Speaker 1>Can they understand me? Are they thinking? This whole thing
<v Speaker 1>is a little bit confusing to me. But I like
<v Speaker 1>both the actors. I just I don't know.
<v Speaker 4>I think you could almost make a case that Man
<v Speaker 4>of Steel that you didn't really need all this stuff,
<v Speaker 4>but you could start with Clark.
<v Speaker 1>On The Deadliest Catch. Well see, now that's an interesting comparison.
<v Speaker 1>I've got that over here. So when I watched Man
<v Speaker 1>of Steel, I was like, Wow, they are really spending
<v Speaker 1>a significant amount of time on Krypton here, right, You're
<v Speaker 1>getting a whole lot more story than you got with Superman.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they fleshed out the place. You get a
<v Speaker 1>better understanding of why z Odd is rebelling against the people.
<v Speaker 1>You get a better trial scene. Durrell has an entire
<v Speaker 1>storyline that goes along with why he's doing what he's doing,
<v Speaker 1>has time to dive into the water and get the
<v Speaker 1>Codex to take I mean, this is I was like, Wow,
<v Speaker 1>they must have spent like a ton of time. I looked,
<v Speaker 1>it's twenty minutes from beginning of movie until Krypton explodes
<v Speaker 1>in Man of Steel. In Superman, it's twenty one minutes. Wow.
<v Speaker 1>And I thought they gave you so much more detail
<v Speaker 1>and depth in Man of Steel about what Krypton was
<v Speaker 1>like and why these characters were doing what they were
<v Speaker 1>doing than you ever got in Superman.
<v Speaker 4>Did you know that that's roughly the same amount of
<v Speaker 4>time that the kid who fell off with the Niagara
<v Speaker 4>Fallers as he fell took about twenty minutes for Superman
<v Speaker 4>to get us act together and go rescue that kid.
<v Speaker 1>And when he you know, after he appears, saves Lowis
<v Speaker 1>Lane for the first time and thinks, think I'll shoot
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the night away fighting minor crime, and
<v Speaker 1>he confronts the cat burglar who's crawling up up the windows,
<v Speaker 1>and that guy starts to fall once again. Superman's got
<v Speaker 1>a time to smirk, shake his head.
<v Speaker 5>Oh well, I guess zoom down and get him all right.
<v Speaker 4>I do want to throw in real quick Kevin Costner
<v Speaker 4>and Diane Lane as mol and Paul Kent.
<v Speaker 1>I love what they did in this, absolutely love it.
<v Speaker 1>With the Superman movies, you've got, you get a very
<v Speaker 1>brief glimpse of Martha and Jonathan Kent. They have a
<v Speaker 1>great little you know bit where they discover him, and
<v Speaker 1>you have the falling truck, which I think will live
<v Speaker 1>in everybody's memory forever as the little kid lifts that
<v Speaker 1>truck up. A quick side note on that guy. The
<v Speaker 1>guy's name is the little kid, you know, the little
<v Speaker 1>kid who's naked and then who's lifting up the truck.
<v Speaker 1>His name is Aaron Smolensky, and he is the only
<v Speaker 1>actor who has been in Superman one, Superman three, and
<v Speaker 1>Man of Steel. He was remember in Superman three where
<v Speaker 1>he goes into the photo booth and like it has
<v Speaker 1>pictures of him changing from Clark kend to Superman. He
<v Speaker 1>played the kid at the photo booth on that one.
<v Speaker 1>And then of course he's an adult now and so
<v Speaker 1>he played a communications Officer and Man of Steel. And
<v Speaker 1>there's some sort of fan film that there is in
<v Speaker 1>development right now called Superman Versus Doomsday, and if it
<v Speaker 1>gets made, he'll be Lex Luthor in that he's bald now,
<v Speaker 1>so it looks like it could go to looks Lex Luthor.
<v Speaker 1>But what an interesting life that guy has to have
<v Speaker 1>had it so far. But back to mon Pap Kent,
<v Speaker 1>Jonathan and Martha Kent. You don't get much from him,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, especially mock Kent. You don't get much at all.
<v Speaker 1>She's just kind of there, yeah, homely, she's old man,
<v Speaker 1>she's a little silver headed old woman. You don't get
<v Speaker 1>much from her other than you know, I love you,
<v Speaker 1>don't forget, I'll never forget. But you got way different
<v Speaker 1>parents in this one. Martha Kent is fan for fantastic.
<v Speaker 1>I love her. Diane Lane. You know she can pull
<v Speaker 1>off young and old very easily. I bought her being
<v Speaker 1>old enough to be his mom and then obviously beautiful. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>she's still still can pull off being very young as well.
<v Speaker 4>And Kevin Costner does a great sort of midwestern you know,
<v Speaker 4>I kept waiting for him to ask him if you
<v Speaker 4>want to have a catch, you know, I mean he's great.
<v Speaker 4>He's mister Field of Dreams, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And people had a problem with Jonathan Kent when
<v Speaker 1>Clark Kent says, should I just have let them die?
<v Speaker 1>Him saying maybe, but you've got to have that in
<v Speaker 1>order to establish within Clark. How critical the idea of
<v Speaker 1>people cannot know what you can do.
<v Speaker 4>I totally agree with that. I've heard the criticism. But
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you and I have teenagers, John, I mean
<v Speaker 4>your kids are not teenagers.
<v Speaker 3>Yet, but no, my oldest is twelve.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, even if for a twelve year old to have
<v Speaker 4>godlike powers at that age and the decision making abilities,
<v Speaker 4>and Kevin Costner is, why is telling him let's wait,
<v Speaker 4>Let's wait until you're ready to become the greatest being
<v Speaker 4>on this earth.
<v Speaker 3>When people were making such a big deal out of that,
<v Speaker 3>I kept thinking the same thing was, well, first of all,
<v Speaker 3>it's a movie. Second of all, put yourself in that
<v Speaker 3>person's place. You get the portrayal of Manpa Kent is
<v Speaker 3>in the original Superman movie is very much your classic. Well,
<v Speaker 3>it's a kindly old farm couple and they've raised this
<v Speaker 3>boy to be their own and they, you know, good
<v Speaker 3>Midwestern United States values, and everybody. You know, it's all
<v Speaker 3>very pure, and it's all there's not a whole lot
<v Speaker 3>of complication here, And you put yourself in the character
<v Speaker 3>of what Jonathan Kent as a human would have been like,
<v Speaker 3>and I feel like, well, I can't imagine I would
<v Speaker 3>be any different, Like I would be a little paranoid,
<v Speaker 3>and I would be concerned that if I let this slip,
<v Speaker 3>somebody's taken my son away and they're going to experiment
<v Speaker 3>on him and they're gonna do all this other crazy stuff.
<v Speaker 4>And not to mention, you have people start asking questions
<v Speaker 4>about how you illegally adopted a child.
<v Speaker 3>Right to me, I didn't have a problem with that
<v Speaker 3>when that whole thing came out, and I remember seeing
<v Speaker 3>that in the trailer, and I remember having a discussion
<v Speaker 3>with it. Might be might have been Jeff, one of
<v Speaker 3>the other guys that's on the podcast with us sometimes
<v Speaker 3>we might have had a discussion about that, and he
<v Speaker 3>was like, well, how do you feel about that? And
<v Speaker 3>I was like, you know what, First of all, it's
<v Speaker 3>in a trailer, so it could be completely out of context.
<v Speaker 3>So let's actually watch the movie and see and he's like,
<v Speaker 3>that makes sense. And even watching the movie and that line,
<v Speaker 3>it's like, you know, should I should I have let
<v Speaker 3>them die? Maybe? Well, okay, So watching this as an
<v Speaker 3>audience member watching a movie, I can sit there and
<v Speaker 3>have the luxury of saying, oh, Jonathan, no, no, no,
<v Speaker 3>bad advice, bad advice. But as a person, like if
<v Speaker 3>I'm living in this world and if that's me, I
<v Speaker 3>probably would say something like that. I might regret it
<v Speaker 3>later on and they're like, Okay, I made a mistake.
<v Speaker 3>Never mind. You know, we don't let anybody ever die.
<v Speaker 3>But in the moment when I've got a scared kid
<v Speaker 3>that's asking me questions, and like you said, he's got
<v Speaker 3>this godlike power at age thirteen or whatever he was, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>i'd probably be a little freaked out too.
<v Speaker 1>Another detail touch just you don't even notice it. I
<v Speaker 1>know this because I watched them behind the scenes. When
<v Speaker 1>he ultimately shows Clark the spaceship that he came to
<v Speaker 1>Earth in, you get these extreme close ups of the
<v Speaker 1>desk behind him, and it's all his research on alien
<v Speaker 1>life and you know, Extraterrestrial's UFO sightings, all of this.
<v Speaker 1>They went to the trouble to get all of that
<v Speaker 1>prepared for that tiny little scene that you don't even see.
<v Speaker 1>It's she's kind of kind of crazy.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, before we jump ahead, I did want to say
<v Speaker 3>one thing about Diane Lane's Martha Kent is to me,
<v Speaker 3>that's and I'm fine with the kindly old Martha Kent too.
<v Speaker 3>I mean that's traditionally, that's how she's portrayed in nearly
<v Speaker 3>everything else. But this Diane Lane Martha Kent, like she
<v Speaker 3>stands up to Zod And if you're a mother who
<v Speaker 3>has raised the child and he eventually, someday is going
<v Speaker 3>to become Superman, that's the Martha Kent that I would
<v Speaker 3>expect to see, like someone who You've got this alien
<v Speaker 3>in front of you that has ridiculous power. He's you know,
<v Speaker 3>there's a couple of the other theres too. They've thrown
<v Speaker 3>a truck into your house, and you're still going to
<v Speaker 3>stand up to the guy. Like, to me, that Superman's mom.
<v Speaker 1>He has powers as we do, certainly, but oh, magnificent one.
<v Speaker 1>He is just one, or you are three or four
<v Speaker 1>if you're counting twice.
<v Speaker 3>You know, in terms of the character of Non they've
<v Speaker 3>introduced him into the newer comics and he's got a
<v Speaker 3>much more tragic story I think that his story in
<v Speaker 3>the newer comics is he was friends with Joelle and
<v Speaker 3>he was he was a member of the Kryptonian Council,
<v Speaker 3>and he he was likebotomized. Yeah, he was lobottomized. And
<v Speaker 3>so every time you know, Joel sees him up until
<v Speaker 3>the destruction of Krypton, like it breaks his heart because
<v Speaker 3>that was a very close friend of his. And so
<v Speaker 3>it's obviously got a little bit more of a backstory
<v Speaker 3>when when you add that piece into it. One of
<v Speaker 3>the one of the characters that I was hoping that
<v Speaker 3>we would mention but didn't get mentioned. He's only in
<v Speaker 3>the original Superman for one or two seconds. The actor's name,
<v Speaker 3>I believe is Bo Rucker, and he played the pimp
<v Speaker 3>in Superman exactly. That's and I didn't want to. I
<v Speaker 3>didn't want us to go beyond the actors and the
<v Speaker 3>characters without mentioning the pimp, because that is possibly the
<v Speaker 3>best line in the movie. And there have been times,
<v Speaker 3>and I love that my children have no idea what
<v Speaker 3>I'm quoting up until they see the movie and they're like, oh,
<v Speaker 3>so you didn't make that up, that's where you got
<v Speaker 3>that from. But there are times where if my kids
<v Speaker 3>will come in the room, they'll be like, Dad, this
<v Speaker 3>is what I'm wearing to church today?
<v Speaker 1>Is this okay?
<v Speaker 3>Or or Dad, this is what I've got on? Is
<v Speaker 3>this all right? A lot of times I'll go say, Jim,
<v Speaker 3>that's a bad outfit, but that is the best. I
<v Speaker 3>mean just and seeing that as a kid, that completely
<v Speaker 3>blew over my head of how funny that is. But
<v Speaker 3>as an adult and Christopher Reeve his response to the
<v Speaker 3>whole thing, that is probably one of the most hilarious,
<v Speaker 3>like three or four seconds in the entire movie, because
<v Speaker 3>he does the whole revolving door thing, steps outside and
<v Speaker 3>the pimp says his line, say Jim, that's a bad outfit,
<v Speaker 3>and Superman just goes, excuse me, puts one finger and
<v Speaker 3>that flies away, just like that. You could just have
<v Speaker 3>played me that four seconds and I would have said,
<v Speaker 3>you know what, Superman's the greatest movie. It's ever That's
<v Speaker 3>all I need to see.
<v Speaker 1>Young Clark in Superman movies was played by Jeff East. Now,
<v Speaker 1>when I watched these movies, I was like, holy cow,
<v Speaker 1>they've got a guy who sounds exactly like Christopher Reeve
<v Speaker 1>to play the young Christopher Reeve. I mean it doesn't
<v Speaker 1>look like in that much, but his voice is identical.
<v Speaker 1>No wonder they picked this guy. Yeah, so I was dumb.
<v Speaker 1>Chris Reeve dubbed all those lines. Yeah, and they did
<v Speaker 1>it was that Jeff East's knowledge. Now, Jeff East has
<v Speaker 1>been in a few other movies. Do you guys remember
<v Speaker 1>the old Tom Sawry movie with the red headed Tom
<v Speaker 1>Sawyer and Jodie Foster was He played Huck Finn in
<v Speaker 1>that movie, like a big bet y'all, what's doing on
<v Speaker 1>the good?
<v Speaker 4>Drubbing in the bottom of the mud, happy good and
<v Speaker 4>we don't give.
<v Speaker 1>A hoot a. He was really upset when he saw
<v Speaker 1>the movie and saw that his lines had been dubbed
<v Speaker 1>over by Christopher Reeve. He didn't know, the producers didn't
<v Speaker 1>tell him that was going to happen. He didn't know
<v Speaker 1>what was gonna happen. So he was a little irritated.
<v Speaker 1>And then another interesting story for him. You know they're
<v Speaker 1>doing he does the train race where they've got him
<v Speaker 1>kind of an absurd running thing, but I loved it
<v Speaker 1>when I was a kid. His gait is a little strange,
<v Speaker 1>It is a little a little bit weird, but they
<v Speaker 1>do that scene where he jumps in front of the
<v Speaker 1>train just at the last second, and they're using a
<v Speaker 1>real train, and he said he almost died at some
<v Speaker 1>point as they were trying to film this because one
<v Speaker 1>of the cables didn't do the like one of the
<v Speaker 1>cranes didn't do the right thing, and he swung back
<v Speaker 1>around and Richard Hackman, Gene Hackman's brother, who was the
<v Speaker 1>stunt guy on the scene, grabbed him before he swung
<v Speaker 1>back in front of the train and died.
<v Speaker 3>Now, since you brought it up, that was one of
<v Speaker 3>the things that I really liked about how Man of
<v Speaker 3>Steel handled the young Clark Kent piece was and I
<v Speaker 3>thought it was a pretty It was a fresh take
<v Speaker 3>on it that I just had not seen before watching
<v Speaker 3>that and thinking, you know what, the way he's dealing
<v Speaker 3>with these powers and these sensations that he just can't understand,
<v Speaker 3>it really reminded me of you know a lot of
<v Speaker 3>times when a student will get diagnosed with some kind
<v Speaker 3>of a learning disability or whatever it might be, and
<v Speaker 3>I thought, you know, what, is that the route that
<v Speaker 3>they're going to kind of take with this is that,
<v Speaker 3>you know what, if we think of Superman as or
<v Speaker 3>what if we think of Clark Kent as he was
<v Speaker 3>a child that from the outside world he grew up
<v Speaker 3>with some kind of a disability like that would be
<v Speaker 3>an interesting take that I've never seen or heard of before.
<v Speaker 3>And just the way that you know his mom, you know,
<v Speaker 3>he panics because he you know, sees through his teacher,
<v Speaker 3>which would freak out anybody. I'm glad he didn't stop
<v Speaker 3>and be like pink, that would make pink that the
<v Speaker 3>teacher says, that's all awkward. But and then you know,
<v Speaker 3>he runs and locks himself in that closet, and then
<v Speaker 3>his mom has to come and kind of talk him
<v Speaker 3>through the whole thing, and he can hear all the
<v Speaker 3>kids making the comments about him outside the room, and
<v Speaker 3>the way she's just calming him down and trying to
<v Speaker 3>get him kind of back out of this panic that
<v Speaker 3>he's in. I mean, I've seen students who actually do that.
<v Speaker 3>They just the world just overwhelms them so much. The
<v Speaker 3>sensory stuff that's coming in just gets to them so
<v Speaker 3>much that they just cannot they don't know how to
<v Speaker 3>process it.
<v Speaker 1>His life is a lonely existence, and the story of
<v Speaker 1>young Clerk Kent in Man of Steel, I mean real
<v Speaker 1>informs who he is as an adult. And even going
<v Speaker 1>back and watching the original Superman movies with Christopher Reeve,
<v Speaker 1>you get that loneliness as well. There's this scene where
<v Speaker 1>he's tried to get Lois to go out with him,
<v Speaker 1>and she won't go out with him, and then he
<v Speaker 1>tries to say hi to the guys in the hall
<v Speaker 1>as he's waiting for the elevator, and he gets ignored,
<v Speaker 1>and then he's just kind of standing there waiting on
<v Speaker 1>the elevator, and there's this sense of loneliness of this
<v Speaker 1>is what comes with being Superman. It's not you know,
<v Speaker 1>we all think, oh gosh, I just want to be Superman,
<v Speaker 1>but there's this huge isolation that comes with the job
<v Speaker 1>that it's tough. I'll tell you what.
<v Speaker 4>Though, Superman as a strange child or a lonely man
<v Speaker 4>as a whole lot better than Superman as a stalker.
<v Speaker 4>That you get and Superman returns when he breaks into
<v Speaker 4>that person's house. And I mean, if you got Superman
<v Speaker 4>as an intruder, you got a problem.
<v Speaker 1>I'm bullying. I've got a full note on this one.
<v Speaker 1>Bullying is a huge part of this. And John, I
<v Speaker 1>feel like and I could be totally making this up
<v Speaker 1>in my head, but I feel like you posted maybe
<v Speaker 1>an article a few months ago on kind of the
<v Speaker 1>notion of bullying and that sometimes it makes gids stronger.
<v Speaker 1>And Chris Rock's got a comedy specialist on Netflix right now,
<v Speaker 1>where like he finds out that they have a no
<v Speaker 1>tolerance policy for bullying at his daughter's school, and he's like,
<v Speaker 1>I almost pulled her out right Then he says, bullies
<v Speaker 1>made me who I am, And so it's you know,
<v Speaker 1>bullying is a huge part of the backstory of a
<v Speaker 1>Superman in both movies. You get more of it in
<v Speaker 1>the original trilogy with the Smallville guy. What was that
<v Speaker 1>guy's name? Brad? What a slimee ball? But then in
<v Speaker 1>the Man of Steel when you get I mean you
<v Speaker 1>imagine if you were able to hear every ugly thing
<v Speaker 1>that people said about you.
<v Speaker 3>Right, what would that turn you into? If you had
<v Speaker 3>if you could hear everything in town? Yeah, when you
<v Speaker 3>heard every rumor, you heard every kid whispering about you.
<v Speaker 1>That idea is what is the driving force behind the
<v Speaker 1>whole beginning story for Man of Steel? I mean, the
<v Speaker 1>whole story really for Man of Steel? Is this unspoken
<v Speaker 1>question for Clark, which is is humanity worth saving? Because
<v Speaker 1>you get Seen after Seen, where you've got humans being
<v Speaker 1>despicable followed up by humans doing the right thing. You've
<v Speaker 1>got the guy saving his life on the what were
<v Speaker 1>they doing on the boat? Yeah, catch man? You know,
<v Speaker 1>he saves his life and then he calls you know
<v Speaker 1>these calls him a dumba. But this kind of means like,
<v Speaker 1>you know, even though he thinks I'm an idiot, He's
<v Speaker 1>still saved me, which then leads to him, you know,
<v Speaker 1>saving all those guys on the oil ricord. You've got
<v Speaker 1>the kids being mean to him, and then his mom
<v Speaker 1>comes in and it's nice to him. You've got p
<v Speaker 1>Ross being mean to him on the bus before Lana
<v Speaker 1>is nice to him, which leads to him saving peace.
<v Speaker 1>Then you got the bully, you know, picking on him
<v Speaker 1>while he's reading Plato, and and who is it that
<v Speaker 1>shows up to be nice? It's Pete Ross who he's changed,
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's this you got.
<v Speaker 3>You got the guy at the bar later on that
<v Speaker 3>throws the beer at him, right, and.
<v Speaker 1>The waitress who's you know, He's like, it's not worth it, honey,
<v Speaker 1>And then and then it all culminates with Lois who
<v Speaker 1>you know, she's going to get the story. She's going
<v Speaker 1>to get the story. She finally figures it out, but
<v Speaker 1>when she realizes what's at stake, she drops it. She
<v Speaker 1>doesn't let him go, which then gives you those lines
<v Speaker 1>later on where he says thank you and she says
<v Speaker 1>for what and he says for believing in me and
<v Speaker 1>she said it didn't end up meaning very much and
<v Speaker 1>he says it did for me.
<v Speaker 3>That's She's She's the humanity that's worth saving.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's the whole question. And you talked about
<v Speaker 1>this in your podcast. And this was a huge deal
<v Speaker 1>for me. When I saw Manfteel the first time, I
<v Speaker 1>was kind of heavily into reading the Bible at that point,
<v Speaker 1>and so when I saw Man of Steel, I was like,
<v Speaker 1>holy smokes, there's a lot of Christ references in this
<v Speaker 1>in this movie. I was like, I learned about You know,
<v Speaker 1>that was Donner's intent, and you can see it in
<v Speaker 1>the Donner cut, but it was kind of Donner says,
<v Speaker 1>nobody's going to put as many Christ references in as
<v Speaker 1>I will in a Superman movie, and ex Tider says,
<v Speaker 1>hold my beer.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well that was. My wife was surprised. The first
<v Speaker 3>time we watched she had never seen I mean it
<v Speaker 3>was several years ago now, but she had never seen
<v Speaker 3>the original Richard Donner Superman. And the first time we
<v Speaker 3>sat down and watched it together is she like part
<v Speaker 3>way through the movie, she goes, so, is Richard Donner
<v Speaker 3>a Christian?
<v Speaker 1>Like?
<v Speaker 3>Is he like a pastor or something? Because there's a
<v Speaker 3>lot of stuff in here, like, I mean, that's pretty
<v Speaker 3>much straight out of the Bible. Is that like most
<v Speaker 3>of the stuff jory Elle is saying, I mean, it
<v Speaker 3>really sounds like it's right out of the Bible. And
<v Speaker 3>I said, it's just that's just how they chose to
<v Speaker 3>do it.
<v Speaker 1>But the father becomes the son. Yeah, yeah. And with
<v Speaker 1>Man of Steel, he's thirty three years old. At the
<v Speaker 1>point that he's trying to decide whether to give up
<v Speaker 1>and save humanity or not, he goes to the church
<v Speaker 1>and right behind him as he's talking to the preacher
<v Speaker 1>is Jesus praying in the garden of Cassemone. I was like, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>that's that is that is amazing And I don't know
<v Speaker 1>how many other people are seeing what I'm seeing right now.
<v Speaker 1>And then of course at what he right after, Jorell
<v Speaker 1>says you can save her, you can save all of them,
<v Speaker 1>and he busts out of the ship and does his
<v Speaker 1>nest plunge in the Jesus on the Cross. I was
<v Speaker 1>just like, wow, let me just make a comment on
<v Speaker 1>the seat real quick. Yeah, we can compare uniforms.
<v Speaker 4>But the original Superman movie, they wanted it to be darker,
<v Speaker 4>but they had to make it louder because they were
<v Speaker 4>losing them in the in the effects, like when they're
<v Speaker 4>flying around at night. I liked how in Man of Steel,
<v Speaker 4>you know, they always talked about Superman flying around in
<v Speaker 4>blue underwear. In Man of Steel, well red underwear griefs right,
<v Speaker 4>But Durell actually takes off his battle armor and he's
<v Speaker 4>wearing that blue suit underneath, and so it actually is
<v Speaker 4>an undergarment, yeah, which I think is really cool.
<v Speaker 1>Turns out it is underwear.
<v Speaker 4>I do like how it looked like a super small
<v Speaker 4>like chain metal, like it was protective. You know.
<v Speaker 1>I don't mean to steer us off course on the uniform,
<v Speaker 1>but there's a great interview out there between Christopher Nolan,
<v Speaker 1>you know, who is the producer on Man of Steel
<v Speaker 1>and Dick Donner, and he said, he told Dick Donner,
<v Speaker 1>this is interesting story. Number one. Christopher Nolan, of course
<v Speaker 1>grew up in England. He got to go and see
<v Speaker 1>this set for Superman wanting when he was like six
<v Speaker 1>years old. And then when he he pitched his idea
<v Speaker 1>to Warner Brothers, he said, I want to do for
<v Speaker 1>Batman what Dick Donner did for Superman back in seventy
<v Speaker 1>eight when he was pitching his Dark Knight. But they
<v Speaker 1>note in that interview, you know everything's done on green
<v Speaker 1>screen now, but back when they were doing Superman, it
<v Speaker 1>was blue screen, right right, Well, Superman's in a blue suit.
<v Speaker 1>How do you make him not invisible? That was tough,
<v Speaker 1>like they had to go through several different colors to
<v Speaker 1>finally find one that was a blue that you could
<v Speaker 1>see that looks right, but was not one that was
<v Speaker 1>going to make Superman invisible.
<v Speaker 4>Superman one into You've got to go back to the
<v Speaker 4>seventies in real These are all practical effects, so projection
<v Speaker 4>and wires and stuff like that. You know that the
<v Speaker 4>cape in Man of Steel is one cgi yep.
<v Speaker 1>I expect better matters from my guests.
<v Speaker 3>Related to the Superman suit itself. I was just a
<v Speaker 3>little disappointed man of steel that he didn't tear that
<v Speaker 3>emblem off and turn it into a cell phone as
<v Speaker 3>that he could throw at people. I was so looking
<v Speaker 3>forward to that, but just it just never happened.
<v Speaker 4>The cell as the cellfen ass. Okay, So let's get
<v Speaker 4>into that, because a lot of people like to point
<v Speaker 4>out that this even the family Guy had a little
<v Speaker 4>thing about this, how it was just a minor inconvenience
<v Speaker 4>to non didn't really do anything, and it wasn't based
<v Speaker 4>in any comic book as kind.
<v Speaker 1>Of a weird thing the selfane.
<v Speaker 4>But that's not the biggest problem.
<v Speaker 1>From the Superman one and two movies.
<v Speaker 4>Can we get into the reversal and the superkiss.
<v Speaker 1>I'm ready to dive into this, Okay. So I love.
<v Speaker 4>Superman one and two. I am going to defend Superman
<v Speaker 4>one and two. But it has problems. So let's talk
<v Speaker 4>about number one, the ending to Superman one, which was
<v Speaker 4>originally supposed to be ending for Superman two. The time reversal.
<v Speaker 4>So they were filming this movie, there's film two movies
<v Speaker 4>at the same time, when they realize, man, we're running
<v Speaker 4>out of money. We're not sure we're going to have
<v Speaker 4>enough money to finish Superman two, so let's finish Superman one.
<v Speaker 4>But they had this ending that they liked, and so
<v Speaker 4>they took the ending that was supposed to end at
<v Speaker 4>Superman two and put it at the end of Superman one.
<v Speaker 4>If he flies backwards around the Earth, Earth stop spinning
<v Speaker 4>and actually starts paying backwards, which causes time to reverse.
<v Speaker 4>People at the equator are spinning at approximately two thousand
<v Speaker 4>miles per hour, and if the Earth suddenly stopped spinning,
<v Speaker 4>those people would continue to.
<v Speaker 1>Move at two thousand miles an hour.
<v Speaker 4>So the reverse seeing the Earth on its access would
<v Speaker 4>kill tons of people and destroy the Earth. It's not
<v Speaker 4>going to reverse time, but I'm okay with it.
<v Speaker 1>When I was a kid, I was like, oh, man, wow,
<v Speaker 1>I can't figure out how he manages to go in
<v Speaker 1>a circle around the Earth about one hundred times in
<v Speaker 1>a few seconds, but he can't get from one side
<v Speaker 1>of the United States to the other in ten minutes.
<v Speaker 1>That he's got to give both of the missiles. I
<v Speaker 1>saw one of those. How it should have ended things right.
<v Speaker 3>Right now you can't catch both of those. Oh wait, Now,
<v Speaker 3>there was something that I read a while ago, and
<v Speaker 3>it actually made because this scene always bothered me too,
<v Speaker 3>like the whole time reversal stuff. And I will get
<v Speaker 3>into the time reversal piece of it two because I
<v Speaker 3>think that's that's still a problematic way to try to
<v Speaker 3>solve your problems. But this scene where he flies, and
<v Speaker 3>I too have always kind of assumed, well, wow, he
<v Speaker 3>flew fast enough that it turned the Earth backwards and
<v Speaker 3>it reversed the rotation of the Earth. And then I
<v Speaker 3>read something and the person said, well, what if he's
<v Speaker 3>not actually exerting any kind of force on the Earth.
<v Speaker 3>What if we're just seeing him fly so fast that
<v Speaker 3>he's flying backward in time and we're seeing the Earth
<v Speaker 3>turn backwards, because that's time turning backwards, not that he's
<v Speaker 3>actually turning the Earth backwards. And I'm like, oh, well, okay,
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I guess I'm I'm I'm feel a little
<v Speaker 3>bit better about that. Then if we're just watching the
<v Speaker 3>Earth rotate backwards because he's traveling back in time, as
<v Speaker 3>opposed to he's actually forcing the Earth to turn backwards,
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, all right, well, I clearly didn't get that
<v Speaker 3>as a kid. Like as a kid, I was like, wow,
<v Speaker 3>he can turn the Earth backwards. That's pretty rare. But
<v Speaker 3>I also know that you've got all kinds of paradoxes
<v Speaker 3>when you deal with time travel, and so I'm looking
<v Speaker 3>at that. I'm like, okay now as an adult. As
<v Speaker 3>a kid, I was just like, all right, he turned
<v Speaker 3>back to time, we say Lois, everything all good? But
<v Speaker 3>then I'm also thinking about it now as an adult,
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh, wait a minute. If he turned back time,
<v Speaker 3>then did he catch the missiles? And where is he
<v Speaker 3>when the what if? Wait a minute now, okay, so
<v Speaker 3>where is current Superman when he's turning back the time
<v Speaker 3>to catch the missiles? And how could he still get
<v Speaker 3>back to where Lois was? And was wait? How is
<v Speaker 3>she okay?
<v Speaker 1>Now?
<v Speaker 3>Because if he turned back time, the missiles would still
<v Speaker 3>have hit because he didn't go stop the missiles earlier.
<v Speaker 3>As an adult, if somebody were to do that now
<v Speaker 3>in a movie, I'd be like, all right, that's kind
<v Speaker 3>of a cheap way to undo everything.
<v Speaker 1>It's cheap, But I don't think it's as cheap as
<v Speaker 1>the amnesia kiss.
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, that yeah, that's.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, let's talk about Okay, the super kiss is an
<v Speaker 4>underrated superpower, all right, I am telling you if.
<v Speaker 1>They're so underrated. It's non existent men in this world.
<v Speaker 1>Let's again, I know.
<v Speaker 4>Every man alive would like the power to fly and
<v Speaker 4>have X ravation.
<v Speaker 1>I want to start answering that question that way. Now, Hey,
<v Speaker 1>if you could have any superpower, what would it be?
<v Speaker 1>Amnesia kiss? That's what I'm thinking.
<v Speaker 4>If you could have a relationship and then be able
<v Speaker 4>to super kiss your way out of that relationship, that's
<v Speaker 4>a pretty good superpower. Yeah, but I told I told
<v Speaker 4>you this yesterday. At the end of the movie Science,
<v Speaker 4>when Lisa causes Gary's dad to forget that she was
<v Speaker 4>over there because she's acting a little bit too hard.
<v Speaker 4>What if you kiss the girl a little bit too hard?
<v Speaker 4>What if he kiss Lois too hard? And now she
<v Speaker 4>has no recollection at who Clark is. But that's not
<v Speaker 4>even the biggest problem with the movies.
<v Speaker 1>Very delicate thing. Yeah, when they get into the Fortress
<v Speaker 1>of Solitude and all of a sudden there's eighteen different
<v Speaker 1>new powers that we've never seen before, including stuff coming
<v Speaker 1>out of your finger. What's the deal with the white beams?
<v Speaker 1>I mean? Yeah, and how does he how does he
<v Speaker 1>push the rays to the outside that turn you into mortal? Man?
<v Speaker 1>How does that happen. I'm just gonna push real hard
<v Speaker 1>on the glass here and everything will go out and
<v Speaker 1>I'll be safe inside. Okay, so Superman two is easy
<v Speaker 1>to pick on. Yes, it's it's very easy to pick on.
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of a lot of lester things that
<v Speaker 1>you can just get. Well, that was really dumb.
<v Speaker 3>It's also the most fun, right it is.
<v Speaker 1>Well, but I'm gonna go ahead and pick on Superman one.
<v Speaker 1>At this point. I enjoy the camp I enjoy the humor.
<v Speaker 1>But there are some things in Superman one that I
<v Speaker 1>was just like, what just happened? Just now? When Lex Luthor,
<v Speaker 1>in a matter of about a minute and thirty seconds,
<v Speaker 1>not only figures out what kryptonite can do, but where
<v Speaker 1>to get it by going around on his four shelf bookshelf,
<v Speaker 1>it's absurd. He's like, oh, well, you know he said
<v Speaker 1>he's from another galaxy. Well, I think he said that.
<v Speaker 1>I was feeling that meteorite, which means that a piece
<v Speaker 1>of his planet had to hit Earth. No, No, that's.
<v Speaker 3>Not what happens. It's a really big universe.
<v Speaker 1>And I'm going to go ahead and scoot on over here,
<v Speaker 1>pull out a book. Here's a guy with a meteorite.
<v Speaker 1>Here's a picture. I'll tear it out, you can look
<v Speaker 1>at it. We know where he is, and how do
<v Speaker 1>we know that this is from Crypton? We don't, we don't.
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to poke the bear and then oh my gosh.
<v Speaker 1>And then somehow he makes it out there, picks up
<v Speaker 1>his steals the because he steals it from a museum.
<v Speaker 1>I know that news report's going on, steals it from
<v Speaker 1>the museum, then manages to make it back in time
<v Speaker 1>to set all the stuff up with the missiles, and
<v Speaker 1>then manages to make it out to the area where
<v Speaker 1>the land deals are going on. It's just all I'm
<v Speaker 1>just like, oh, guys.
<v Speaker 3>Well, but I mean, he's the greatest criminal mind of
<v Speaker 3>our age.
<v Speaker 1>Lex Luster. How about that?
<v Speaker 4>He he says, where does he go?
<v Speaker 1>Miss test Baker? Uh north r North?
<v Speaker 4>So he wanders around vaguely until he finds the Fortress
<v Speaker 4>of Solitude, and then when he gets there Superman spent
<v Speaker 4>at least was it twelve years from time he was
<v Speaker 4>eighteen till the time he was about thirty learning about
<v Speaker 4>Kryptonian history.
<v Speaker 1>It's a nice way to dodge Vietnam.
<v Speaker 4>By the way, I'm just gonna hang out in the
<v Speaker 4>Fortress the Ice Disco, but Lex Luthor shows up in
<v Speaker 4>about five minutes. He's got it all figured out, right, Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>the crystals and all that stuff.
<v Speaker 3>Again, greatest criminal mind of our age. Yeah, I think
<v Speaker 3>you guys are really struggling with something you don't need
<v Speaker 3>to struggle with. He's the great criminal mind of our age.
<v Speaker 3>That's all you need to know. It's like the I
<v Speaker 3>don't know if you've seen lately, I've seen people put
<v Speaker 3>up these gifts or this image on Twitter, the meme
<v Speaker 3>for Batman being the Greatest Detective. Yeah, and it's from
<v Speaker 3>the episode of when he was trying to figure out
<v Speaker 3>the identity of the Joker and he's got a picture
<v Speaker 3>of this like gangster that the face kind of resembles
<v Speaker 3>the Joker, and he's but he's in like a picture
<v Speaker 3>with like twelve other people and Batman in the animated series,
<v Speaker 3>he takes his red marker and he just draws a
<v Speaker 3>red smiley face and he's like, that's the Joker. I'm like, really,
<v Speaker 3>you know, the Great Dark Knight Detective. All it took
<v Speaker 3>was a red sharpie for you to figure out who
<v Speaker 3>the Joker was.
<v Speaker 4>But you know, what that. The superkiss is not the
<v Speaker 4>biggest problem. The turning the time back is not the
<v Speaker 4>biggest problem. Wandering around and finding the fortress salty is
<v Speaker 4>not the biggest problem. The biggest problem for me is
<v Speaker 4>when Clark trips over the bare head and falls into
<v Speaker 4>the fire and reveals himself to be Superman. First of all,
<v Speaker 4>Superman would kick that bear through the wall. I mean,
<v Speaker 4>the fact that he would trip is ludicrous. And then
<v Speaker 4>I mean he fights fights, fights Lois, and then he
<v Speaker 4>reaches in and grabs the glasses real quick, and you know,
<v Speaker 4>as soon as she confronts him, well you are Superman.
<v Speaker 1>He's just like, yeah, yeah, tell him sorry about almost
<v Speaker 1>letting you drowned earlier. I'll just go ahead and pass
<v Speaker 1>up now now that your life's not in danger at all.
<v Speaker 4>The reveal is ludicrous, but the donor reveal was just
<v Speaker 4>as bad. She pulls a gun on him. I'm like,
<v Speaker 4>I feel bad for this guy. She fires at him,
<v Speaker 4>which he then takes his glasses off.
<v Speaker 1>Hey I'm Superman, and he's like, that was a really
<v Speaker 1>dangerous and risky game for you to play. She's like,
<v Speaker 1>with blanks, have blanks, right, which then then you go Okay,
<v Speaker 1>so Superman doesn't feel bullets at all when he gets shot.
<v Speaker 1>There's no feeling whatsoever. There's got to be at least
<v Speaker 1>a tickle.
<v Speaker 4>See if that was you, though, and somebody pulled a
<v Speaker 4>gun on you, and I fired an actual gun you're
<v Speaker 4>trying to seduce, you'd have to change your shorts. The
<v Speaker 4>seduction would be over at that point. The reveal is
<v Speaker 4>my biggest problem with these two movies.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, we're moving into judgment stage here, so let's we've
<v Speaker 1>talked about the problems with Superman one and Superman two,
<v Speaker 1>let's talk about problems with Man of Steel. Okay, Jason,
<v Speaker 1>you have the floor. Okay. My biggest problem is when
<v Speaker 1>he executes.
<v Speaker 4>Zod, the killing of Zoon, and I know that they
<v Speaker 4>try to make the case compelling that he's going to
<v Speaker 4>X ray vision these innocent civilians, and that's kind of
<v Speaker 4>Clark's last chance.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's what he has to do. But for me,
<v Speaker 1>when I.
<v Speaker 4>Saw this movie in theaters, I thought, man, I just
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if I want Superman killing I don't
<v Speaker 4>know what you think.
<v Speaker 1>Well, he killed Sod and Supermo as well, and just
<v Speaker 1>to just to draw the distinction here, at least he
<v Speaker 1>struggled with the decision a little bit in Man of Steel,
<v Speaker 1>and when it happened, he cried out in agony, like,
<v Speaker 1>oh no, I've just killed the last Trypton Kryptonian member
<v Speaker 1>of our race Krypton.
<v Speaker 4>I like how you say it, like Krypton.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he didn't. He didn't smile and wink at him
<v Speaker 3>before I threw him into the chasm.
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was in in Superman too, as he's
<v Speaker 1>coming up and he's acting like he doesn't have his powers,
<v Speaker 1>and he kneels down. He has got the biggest frown
<v Speaker 1>I've ever seen in my life, like I've got to
<v Speaker 1>hide what's about to happen because I'm just gonna nails out,
<v Speaker 1>so I'm gonna look super super sad. And then he
<v Speaker 1>doesn't just kill him. He crushes his fan and then
<v Speaker 1>throws him, screaming in pain, down a bottomless pit. It's
<v Speaker 1>of the two deaths, I think the quick next step
<v Speaker 1>is what I would choose.
<v Speaker 3>So that was, you know, when Man of Steel came out.
<v Speaker 3>I'm the person in my circle of friends that whenever
<v Speaker 3>a Star Wars movie comes out, whenever a Superman movie
<v Speaker 3>comes out, people always like go to me first, like,
<v Speaker 3>what'd you think? Right, well, we need to know what
<v Speaker 3>you thought, because if you loved it, then that probably
<v Speaker 3>means it's pretty good and you know all this stuff.
<v Speaker 3>And so I was like the first person people get
<v Speaker 3>into debates with and they were like, oh, man, he
<v Speaker 3>just he let the whole city get trashed and Superman
<v Speaker 3>would never do that, and you know and all that stuff.
<v Speaker 3>He's like, oh, super he snapped his neck. He'd never
<v Speaker 3>you know, Superman would never do that. I'm like, uh,
<v Speaker 3>have you read a Superman story? Like there's times all
<v Speaker 3>the time where somebody dies or or something happens like that,
<v Speaker 3>And the exact same thing. When that came up and
<v Speaker 3>people are like, well, he Superman would never snap his
<v Speaker 3>neck like that, I said, well, have you watched Superman two,
<v Speaker 3>because not only does he, I mean these people are powerless,
<v Speaker 3>Like he has reversed this process, so these are it's
<v Speaker 3>not like he's fighting a super villain in Superman two.
<v Speaker 3>He's now fighting disco Zod and Ursa and Non and
<v Speaker 3>he's just letting them die. And I'm like that to
<v Speaker 3>me now that I think about that as an adult.
<v Speaker 3>As a kid, I was like, yeah, you go Superman,
<v Speaker 3>crush his hand, you do all this stuff, you know,
<v Speaker 3>and wrong again Zod. And as a kid, I was like,
<v Speaker 3>this is awesome. I love this. He's finally getting back
<v Speaker 3>of these people. And I look at that now and
<v Speaker 3>I go, that's that's really sadistic, Like he could have
<v Speaker 3>if the guy can go catch a missile, you know,
<v Speaker 3>if he can fly halfway across the United States and
<v Speaker 3>catch a missile and then possibly fly back and get
<v Speaker 3>the second one and be like, hey, I got both
<v Speaker 3>of them, then I have a feeling that super Superman
<v Speaker 3>could probably zip the what was it fifteen feet to
<v Speaker 3>go like, you know, catch Non before he falls into
<v Speaker 3>the chasm. He could then zip the fifteen feet to
<v Speaker 3>go catch Ursa. He could even let Lois you know,
<v Speaker 3>do her thing and punch Ursa. Right, I'm fine with that,
<v Speaker 3>But then he could go catch her so she doesn't
<v Speaker 3>die and he doesn't have to throw Zod into the
<v Speaker 3>thing and kill him. These are he's killing humans. So
<v Speaker 3>that to me now as an adult and kind of
<v Speaker 3>comparing those situations, that's way more problematic for me when
<v Speaker 3>I actually think about how those villains were done way
<v Speaker 3>with in that movie and knowing the history of the comics.
<v Speaker 3>Actually killing Zod in the comics was something that defined
<v Speaker 3>Superman for many, many, many years. There were moments in
<v Speaker 3>the Superman comics for the next after two to three decades,
<v Speaker 3>after the mid eighties, where Superman would aways bring that up.
<v Speaker 3>He's like, well, the reason I don't kill is because
<v Speaker 3>I did kill Zod. I executed Zod and his generals,
<v Speaker 3>and it tore me up and it made me value
<v Speaker 3>life once I realized what I had done, and there's
<v Speaker 3>always got to be a better way. So that, to
<v Speaker 3>me was that kind of moment is what makes him,
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's it's what's building that character. It's what
<v Speaker 3>makes him the Superman that he will later become. And
<v Speaker 3>when that happened in Man of Steel, I didn't have
<v Speaker 3>a problem with it because I looked at that as
<v Speaker 3>you've got Superman who's been I mean, he's been raised
<v Speaker 3>on Earth. He's a civilian, he's been raised on Earth,
<v Speaker 3>and he's fighting someone that has the exact same power
<v Speaker 3>as he does. With military training, you know probably you know,
<v Speaker 3>self defense, military type training, and so he's not going
<v Speaker 3>to have the same tactical knowledge, the same kind of
<v Speaker 3>fighting skill. You know that and he's he's doing what
<v Speaker 3>he can. Like this is still a very young super
<v Speaker 3>he's only been Superman for what a day, maybe a
<v Speaker 3>couple of days, And so I'm looking at that and
<v Speaker 3>I'm going, well, putting myself in that shoes, Well, what
<v Speaker 3>would I do in that situation? If I saw a
<v Speaker 3>family about to get killed? This guy who is base said,
<v Speaker 3>you've wiped out all the rest of my people. I
<v Speaker 3>have nothing left. I will kill every person on this
<v Speaker 3>earth to get back at you. So he said, I'm
<v Speaker 3>gonna murder everyone. I'm just letting you know. I'm gonna
<v Speaker 3>murder everyone. And I look at that, and I go,
<v Speaker 3>put in that situation, I mean, I would never kill
<v Speaker 3>anyone me personally, and like, no, I would never kill anyone.
<v Speaker 3>But if you put me in that situation, would I
<v Speaker 3>struggle with it? And if push came to shove, would
<v Speaker 3>I snap the guy's neck to save a group of
<v Speaker 3>other people, a family and possibly the rest of the earth. Yeah? Probably? Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>So that scene it doesn't bother me. And what bothers
<v Speaker 3>me more, and this is not necessarily the scope of
<v Speaker 3>our discussion, but what bothers me more is that we
<v Speaker 3>didn't get a man of Steel two to be able
<v Speaker 3>to explore that further. But no, that scene doesn't bother
<v Speaker 3>me because I compare that now with Superman two and
<v Speaker 3>I think, well, actually that seems more callous and a
<v Speaker 3>little bit more sociopathic than you know, the events of
<v Speaker 3>Man of Steel.
<v Speaker 4>You know, we were talking about this.
<v Speaker 1>This has been a few weeks ago.
<v Speaker 4>It had never even occurred to me that Superman killed
<v Speaker 4>all three of those villains in Superman two, because I'm
<v Speaker 4>still looking at it through a child's eyes. Apparently there's
<v Speaker 4>rumors of some cut out there that shows that these
<v Speaker 4>criminals were arrested and taken to jail.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that didn't you you did some research
<v Speaker 1>on that, like there was I saw it that where
<v Speaker 1>they he arrested Lex Luthor. Right, the Arctic Police come
<v Speaker 1>in and arrest Lex Luthor, the Arctic Arctic Police who
<v Speaker 1>happened to also get access to Fortress so Solitude. I
<v Speaker 1>think Lewis called nine one one.
<v Speaker 3>In the in the there's a superphone they have. They
<v Speaker 3>have a little it's it's under a glass jar. It's
<v Speaker 3>like what used to have you just you pick up
<v Speaker 3>the glass jar. It's like a it's like a you know,
<v Speaker 3>Kryptonian crystal jar.
<v Speaker 4>The that's one of the things that he did in
<v Speaker 4>the molecule chambers were called nine to one.
<v Speaker 1>One, right, But apparently the rumor that the through Kryptonian
<v Speaker 1>villains get arrested and put in human jail is just that,
<v Speaker 1>it's just a rumor.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, but I will say this when we talked
<v Speaker 4>about this, so and I'm moving in towards my final
<v Speaker 4>judgment here, but after rewatching these Man of Steel is
<v Speaker 4>better than I remember it being initially, Superman two is
<v Speaker 4>worse than I remember it being originally. But at the time,
<v Speaker 4>Superman two did a great job of manipulating my feelings
<v Speaker 4>as a little boy. Yeah, and I was telling indeed
<v Speaker 4>that when he goes into the molecule chamber and there's
<v Speaker 4>red on the outside rather than the inside, I didn't
<v Speaker 4>catch that when I saw it in the theater.
<v Speaker 1>And so when he starts crushing his hand, I'm like, wait,
<v Speaker 1>what what? And then I'm like yes, So that scene
<v Speaker 1>charged me up.
<v Speaker 4>When los Lane punches out Versa that I got fired
<v Speaker 4>up about that.
<v Speaker 1>I was so excited. We didn't touch on this, but
<v Speaker 1>this is a major factor in what's going on in
<v Speaker 1>those scenes. And how you feel emotionally at the time
<v Speaker 1>of the day of Zod and his hinchment with Superman.
<v Speaker 1>You've got John Williams score, which I mean, arguably the
<v Speaker 1>best superhero score in all of history, right, And I
<v Speaker 1>will tell you that, you know, I heard about Dick
<v Speaker 1>Donner coming in and hearing this for the first time,
<v Speaker 1>and he said something that made that that gave me
<v Speaker 1>vindication because I will sing Superman to my kids whenever
<v Speaker 1>we're putting it on in the car and I go Superman,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I love it. And but apparently that was
<v Speaker 1>exactly Dick Donner's reaction when he heard William's theme for
<v Speaker 1>Superman was you are saying it with the music and
<v Speaker 1>it's fantastic. When he crushes his hand, you get that
<v Speaker 1>score coming in with d and you're like, yes, it's
<v Speaker 1>a victory, We've got the victory theme. But when he's
<v Speaker 1>having to decide to kill Zod, it's agonizing. You've got
<v Speaker 1>You've got Zimmer's intense, emotional, non automatic music just pulling
<v Speaker 1>at you, and it's yeah, it totally changes your perspective
<v Speaker 1>to where you think, oh gosh, this is horrible, this
<v Speaker 1>is horrible. Superman's killing somebody, Well, that's what they want
<v Speaker 1>you to think, because it is horrible. It's just that
<v Speaker 1>in Superman they made it funny and.
<v Speaker 4>Justified and John I thought for a second the d
<v Speaker 4>was going to sing can you read my line?
<v Speaker 3>Yes, definitely the most awkward moment.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, horrible that Margaret did.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. In terms of the music, I mean that since
<v Speaker 3>since we're talking music, I have a really hard time
<v Speaker 3>with this one. As I was, as I was doing
<v Speaker 3>my back and forth of all right, well, okay, you
<v Speaker 3>get John Williams on Zimmer, let's go back and forth
<v Speaker 3>with it. And then who did they replace John Williams
<v Speaker 3>with for to ken Thorn. Yeah, And you know, I
<v Speaker 3>and I spent the last few days I had my
<v Speaker 3>Spotify playlist up and I just put I put all
<v Speaker 3>the soundtracks together and I was like, I'm just gonna
<v Speaker 3>listen to this, back and forth, back and forth, back
<v Speaker 3>and forth. And you know what, the John Williams you
<v Speaker 3>can't argue with that. It's it's iconic, it is it
<v Speaker 3>is Superman. It's I mean, that's been for ever since
<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventy eight Hans Zimmer's score. Nobody's going to do that.
<v Speaker 3>When my son was really really little still in his
<v Speaker 3>car seat, I'd put on like the planet Krypton theme
<v Speaker 3>from Superman, and when it would when it would get
<v Speaker 3>to the point where it just crescendoed, he'd like, I'm
<v Speaker 3>not eve going to do it right, but he'd like
<v Speaker 3>throw both arms up in the air back in his
<v Speaker 3>car seat, and I was like, okay, I've raised you well,
<v Speaker 3>Like I really could just stop now because you know
<v Speaker 3>this has been successful. But you know you've got that,
<v Speaker 3>You've got the John Williams, you know, had that very
<v Speaker 3>kind of synthesizer creepy, you know, the almost like the
<v Speaker 3>little the Kryptonian zod theme that got continued on through
<v Speaker 3>Superman to I will say though that overall as an
<v Speaker 3>entire movie, As an entire film, I think that the
<v Speaker 3>Hans Zimmer score did a little bit better job for
<v Speaker 3>me of filling in the filling in the atmosphere of
<v Speaker 3>that movie. Like if I look at the if I
<v Speaker 3>look at the original Superman and Superman to score, I
<v Speaker 3>can probably in my mind I can probably pick out,
<v Speaker 3>oh yeah, there's like three pieces of music that I
<v Speaker 3>can remember, right, And that's if I ignore the can
<v Speaker 3>you read my mind part, which I'm constantly trying to
<v Speaker 3>do I wish, I wish there was some kind of
<v Speaker 3>a super kiss that could get that one out of
<v Speaker 3>my mind. But then I think about the Hans Zimmer
<v Speaker 3>score and I'm like, Okay, is there anything in there
<v Speaker 3>that's as memorable as the Planet Crypton theme as the
<v Speaker 3>John Williams Superman theme. No, but in the movie as
<v Speaker 3>a whole overall, that that fills that movie so much
<v Speaker 3>better than the John Williams score does.
<v Speaker 1>They did some neat things with Hans Zimmer's score musically,
<v Speaker 1>like he Superman, being as an American as he is,
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to take something that was a uniquely American instrument,
<v Speaker 1>which is the pedal steel guitar, which you typically hear
<v Speaker 1>in like bluegrass and country music. But he changed it
<v Speaker 1>in such a way that it becomes the string section.
<v Speaker 1>So you've got a really unique sound of those strings
<v Speaker 1>that you can recognize from from the Man of Steel score.
<v Speaker 1>And then on those intense scenes, it's all drums, and
<v Speaker 1>for that one we get like nine different.
<v Speaker 4>Drums, like twelve of the world's greatest drummers, yeah, including
<v Speaker 4>Sheila e and Jason Bonham.
<v Speaker 1>And so he puts them in a. He puts them
<v Speaker 1>in a circle, puts the microphone in the middle of
<v Speaker 1>the circle, and to give the effect of being surrounded
<v Speaker 1>by these intense primal drums.
<v Speaker 4>All right, so final judgment, I'm with Superman one and
<v Speaker 4>two over Man of Steel.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I got to say that after watching these movies again,
<v Speaker 1>I had the same reaction you did. I liked Man
<v Speaker 1>of Steel better than I did at the beginning, and
<v Speaker 1>I loved it at the beginning. I gotta say Man
<v Speaker 1>of Steel is a better movie. It's plot structure is better,
<v Speaker 1>the character development is better. The setting for Smallville, the
<v Speaker 1>setting for Krypton, the struggle that Clark has are all better.
<v Speaker 1>And so as much as it pains me as much
<v Speaker 1>of a fan of the original movies as I am
<v Speaker 1>and was, Man of Steel is a better movie. Now,
<v Speaker 1>I'll say this, Superman will always be. Christopher Reeve to me,
<v Speaker 1>if you say Superman, that's the first thing that I
<v Speaker 1>want to think of. And he brought something to the
<v Speaker 1>character that Henry Cavill did, and Henry Cavill did a
<v Speaker 1>great job, and especially the moment that he's standing watching
<v Speaker 1>his father about to die, that is an emotionally moving
<v Speaker 1>moment for me and a fantastic performance had the same
<v Speaker 1>feeling I felt whenever Superman Christopher Reeve finds Lowess dead
<v Speaker 1>and cries out. Both of those were emotionally impactful performances.
<v Speaker 1>But whereas Christopher Reeve will always be Superman in my mind,
<v Speaker 1>I've got to say Man of Steel some better movie, John.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I all right, I truth. I almost wanted to
<v Speaker 3>pull in Eric Cartman that I hate you guys so much. Jason,
<v Speaker 3>you kind of you reference or one of you guys
<v Speaker 3>referenced early on that in in my episodes, I did
<v Speaker 3>where I talked about like the history of Superman, and
<v Speaker 3>and I did my ranking of it. I think I
<v Speaker 3>said that Superman one was number one for me, Man
<v Speaker 3>of Steel was number two, and Superman two was number three.
<v Speaker 3>And so, having rewatched these movies, having talked it out
<v Speaker 3>with you guys here, having taken copious notes, you know,
<v Speaker 3>and scared my family because they thought I was turning
<v Speaker 3>into a serial killer, like all these composition notebooks full
<v Speaker 3>of tiny handwriting, I think I've come out the other
<v Speaker 3>side of this with James. I think I'm very much
<v Speaker 3>on the same page you are. That nothing will ever
<v Speaker 3>replace Superman one and two. For me, I mean far
<v Speaker 3>and above. Christopher Reeve will always I always look at
<v Speaker 3>him and think Superman. Nothing can ever replace the times
<v Speaker 3>that I had, you know, watching these movies with my dad,
<v Speaker 3>with my family, and just the memories that are attached
<v Speaker 3>with those. I love Superman one, I love Superman two.
<v Speaker 3>But that being said some of the things that we've
<v Speaker 3>said here too, I think that Man of Steel, and
<v Speaker 3>I know that this is a this is an unpopular
<v Speaker 3>opinion because a lot of people don't like Man of Steel.
<v Speaker 3>Man of Steel has always been my favorite of the
<v Speaker 3>more recent DC movies, even including I think the Batman movies,
<v Speaker 3>the Christopher Nolan Batman movies. I Man of Steel is
<v Speaker 3>my favorite. I guess you wouldn't even call those DCEU
<v Speaker 3>because that was we weren't there yet. But it's my
<v Speaker 3>favorite DC movie of the last, you know, probably a
<v Speaker 3>couple of decades. And I think for some of the
<v Speaker 3>very similar reasons that it's just I get more backstory,
<v Speaker 3>I get more emotional involvement in the character of Clark
<v Speaker 3>and the character of Superman, the character of Lois, even
<v Speaker 3>the character of Zod. I have more of a emotional
<v Speaker 3>visceral reaction to what's going on in this movie. I
<v Speaker 3>care more about these characters. Not that I didn't care
<v Speaker 3>about them when I was a kid watching the other ones,
<v Speaker 3>but it was very much. Sometimes it's the difference between
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes people that are like Marvel fans of DC fans
<v Speaker 3>will make this distinction. Marvel will say, well, our stuff
<v Speaker 3>is grounded in reality. We have our characters in Boston
<v Speaker 3>and New York and San Diego, whereas you guys made
<v Speaker 3>up towns like Gotham and Metropolis, and we're you know,
<v Speaker 3>our characters, we have a scientific reason why they have
<v Speaker 3>powers and and you know, so there's a difference between
<v Speaker 3>like your grounded explanation for superheroes and more of like
<v Speaker 3>your godlike legends. And I think that Superman and Superman
<v Speaker 3>two fall into that very comic book centric, godlike legend
<v Speaker 3>of Superman. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, and
<v Speaker 3>I absolutely love that about those movies. But I think
<v Speaker 3>for someone who wants to dig into the story and
<v Speaker 3>understand why these characters are doing what they're doing, why
<v Speaker 3>does he become the Superman that we all know and love,
<v Speaker 3>Why does he fall in love with Lois? Who are
<v Speaker 3>the parents that raised him to think this way and
<v Speaker 3>to be this way. Who's the villain that just I
<v Speaker 3>mean almost perfectly matches with what he's struggling with at
<v Speaker 3>the time in this movie and how he has to
<v Speaker 3>I mean, like we said, he is agonized when he
<v Speaker 3>kills Zod at the end, because all he's ever wanted
<v Speaker 3>is to belong. All he's ever wanted is to fit in.
<v Speaker 3>He's finally found his people, and he has had to
<v Speaker 3>kill the last of his other than himself, he's had
<v Speaker 3>to kill the last of his people, so he's had
<v Speaker 3>to completely destroy the one thing that he has wanted
<v Speaker 3>his entire life is just to fit in. And so
<v Speaker 3>I think for those reasons, I kind of I have
<v Speaker 3>to go Man of Steel in this case, you know.
<v Speaker 3>But it's it's really a struggle to say that because
<v Speaker 3>it just I love the other Superman movies so much,
<v Speaker 3>and you know, the next time I watch him, it
<v Speaker 3>might be like I might watch Superman again and be like,
<v Speaker 3>oh no, you know what original Superman is number one again?
<v Speaker 3>You know, to me, I get more emotional involvement in
<v Speaker 3>Man of Steel. We get to see him develop as
<v Speaker 3>a kid, we get to see him develop as a hero.
<v Speaker 3>That's one of the things. Even as a kid. One
<v Speaker 3>of the things that I didn't I understood the reason
<v Speaker 3>for it. You know, in trying to fit in like
<v Speaker 3>the Biblical imagery, that you would have a stretch of
<v Speaker 3>time where well, we don't know what happened to Clark
<v Speaker 3>in this stretch of time, you know, from eighteen to thirty.
<v Speaker 3>We don't know, Like he just disappeared for an amount
<v Speaker 3>of time and then he came back and started his
<v Speaker 3>for lack of a better term, started his ministry of
<v Speaker 3>being Superman. And you know, that's fine, and that's fine
<v Speaker 3>for that movie, but I'll take another line for the Bible.
<v Speaker 3>That was fine when I was a child, and now
<v Speaker 3>that I'm older, I put away a childish things and
<v Speaker 3>I want more explanation. I want more of that story.
<v Speaker 3>I want to know my characters and I want to
<v Speaker 3>make that connection with them. I want to see a
<v Speaker 3>Lois that my Superman would fall in love with, that
<v Speaker 3>he would look at her and say, this is the
<v Speaker 3>humanity that I'm here to say, I will. I wanted
<v Speaker 3>to before we ended, I did want to pull these
<v Speaker 3>out that I love. This is This is the part
<v Speaker 3>I love about both of these movies is just the
<v Speaker 3>kind of ideal that this is trying to build up.
<v Speaker 3>And I love both of these speeches from Joel, and
<v Speaker 3>so I didn't want to, you know, skip being able
<v Speaker 3>to read these or take a look at these. And
<v Speaker 3>in his speech in the Fortress of Solitude, and he says,
<v Speaker 3>you know, live as one of them, kell El, discover
<v Speaker 3>where your strength and your power are needed. Always hold
<v Speaker 3>in your heart the pride of your special heritage. They
<v Speaker 3>can be a great people, Kelll if they wish to be.
<v Speaker 3>They only lack the light to show the way. For
<v Speaker 3>this reason, above all their capacity for good, I have
<v Speaker 3>sent them you, my only son. And then I also
<v Speaker 3>wrote down the one from Man of Steel, and I
<v Speaker 3>just I love both of these. You know, Jorel says,
<v Speaker 3>you will give the people of Earth an ideal to
<v Speaker 3>strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble,
<v Speaker 3>they will fall, but in time they will join you
<v Speaker 3>in the sun cal In time you will help them
<v Speaker 3>accomplish wonders. And I think that's part of where I
<v Speaker 3>hit that difference is I love the speech by Marlon
<v Speaker 3>Brando Jorel, But I will say I teared up in
<v Speaker 3>the theater when I listen to Russell Crowe deliver that speech.
<v Speaker 3>They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall,
<v Speaker 3>but in time they will join you in the sun.
<v Speaker 3>And it actually comes from a Superman comic where it's
<v Speaker 3>a story in which Superman his life is coming to
<v Speaker 3>an end. He's actually going to send himself into the
<v Speaker 3>sun and that's going to be his final resting place.
<v Speaker 3>And so Jorel's speech and that's actually where a Man
<v Speaker 3>of Steel took it from his speech, and that one
<v Speaker 3>is your work is done. You have shown them the
<v Speaker 3>face of the man of tomorrow. You have given them
<v Speaker 3>an ideal to aspire to, embodied their highest aspirations. They
<v Speaker 3>will race and stumble and fall and crawl and curse,
<v Speaker 3>and finally they will join you in the sun. Call el.
<v Speaker 3>In time you will no longer be alone. And I
<v Speaker 3>think that that like bringing that piece into Man of Steel,
<v Speaker 3>and just the way that speech is delivered and what
<v Speaker 3>that speech says, like it's it makes me even now,
<v Speaker 3>like makes me emotional to think about that. You know,
<v Speaker 3>the father speaking that to his son, and that's that
<v Speaker 3>emotional piece. I get that emotional piece every time I
<v Speaker 3>watch Man of Steel. I love Superman one and two
<v Speaker 3>but I don't get the emotional connection to those. So
<v Speaker 3>I think for that reason and just because of some
<v Speaker 3>of the other things we've said about how I think
<v Speaker 3>there's just more there's more meat to Man of Steel.
<v Speaker 3>I got to go Man of Steel.
<v Speaker 1>The speech by Russell Crowe. They used it for the trailer,
<v Speaker 1>and I can remember really distinctly when the trailers came
<v Speaker 1>out for Man of Steel before the movie came out,
<v Speaker 1>because the visual that you had and both trailers were
<v Speaker 1>the same, but in one you had that speech from
<v Speaker 1>Jirell and then the other one you have an admonishing
<v Speaker 1>speech from Jonathan Kent.
<v Speaker 3>You have to decide what kind of man you want
<v Speaker 3>to grow up to be.
<v Speaker 2>Whoever that man is, good character or bad, he's going
<v Speaker 2>to change the world.
<v Speaker 1>I can remember seeing those commercials and it is the
<v Speaker 1>scene from the movie where they're looking at nine year
<v Speaker 1>old Clark Kent and he's playing around in the yard
<v Speaker 1>and he's got a cape on and he you know,
<v Speaker 1>you see him stand up tall, put his chest out,
<v Speaker 1>put his hands on his hips in the iconic Superman pose.
<v Speaker 1>And I remember watching the first time, and I think
<v Speaker 1>my wife was next to me, and I said, even
<v Speaker 1>Superman wanted to be Superman when he was a boy,
<v Speaker 1>and that's the way it is. I think for all
<v Speaker 1>all young men, it's that that ideal to strive for.
<v Speaker 1>We are always striving to be Superman. Okay, well I
<v Speaker 1>think that does it for this episode or all likelihood episodes. John,
<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate you coming out and being with us
<v Speaker 1>for all of these episodes. It's been great fun to
<v Speaker 1>have you and so inspiring to hear your input on
<v Speaker 1>these great, great stuff. Thank you so much for coming.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, thank you guys for having me out. I
<v Speaker 3>can't wait to I mean, obviously when this comes up
<v Speaker 3>in my feed, Like I said, I jumped to you
<v Speaker 3>guys first, I like block all of the podcasts. Got
<v Speaker 3>to find out what they're going to argue about this time.
<v Speaker 3>So I'll be looking forward to this one too. Oh.
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