Are the Marlins legit? + Trade likes/dislikes w/Toddfather and Maybin

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Speaker 1: Hey, we've got Craig Mish the most style day and on the Marlins four years. You can catch them on TV cover in the Marlins, also on Sports Grid. Craig, great to see you and fun times. And I requested you yesterday because I'm like, we got to bring Craig Mish on when things are going right for the Fish. I know they lost yesterday, but they've been on an epic run and they had the big weekend against the Yanks with the Place Bowl. So how are things going down in South Florida right now?

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Speaker 2: Guess Scott, I feel like I come on here playing defense every time I come on here, and.

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Speaker 3: Now you can attack, go for it. Give us the goods. What's working some offense? On offense?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, they've they've played their best baseball since they won the World Series in ninety seven and in two thousand and three, and they just keep winning series after series.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter who they put in front.

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Speaker 2: Of them, it doesn't matter who's at home or on the road, and it's just really they've just played incredibles. If you consider there were sixteen games under five hundred and now they're back to five hundred as of yesterday losing to the Astros.

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Speaker 3: Now they're one game back again.

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Speaker 2: But it's one of those years where I guess you could say expect the unaffected, because I don't think anybody could have predicted them to finish close to five hundred this year.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Craig, I want to stay there. We talk about what the Tigers did last year. Right we look at the Marlins right now. I think they're what six games out of the wildcard spot. Can they be the Tigers of last year and make a run that's simple?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I think it's possible. I think they're in a little bit of a tougher position in the National League given the teams that are ahead of him. You know, they're really talented teams there, and they're also you know in the mix with the Cardinals, Cam and also the Giants. I know that we don't feel great about those teams, not really pushing the foot on the pedal here at the deadline, but we do have to acknowledge they do have around the same record as the Marlins. So look, they kept a lot of the pitching together, and they've called up some nice young players. They called up this kid, Jacob Marcy, who after they traded Jesu Sanchez to Houston, has gotten on base at an incredible clip and he's playing good defense too. It seems like they have more reinforcements cam In the past, generally speaking, the Marlins always fielded a team, but then one or two goes down and then it's like, wow, we don't got anybody else. It feels like they have some of those guys that have come up this season and raised the floor, so to speak.

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Speaker 5: I want to talk about Sandy al Contera a little bit here. I thought, I mean a lot of people did that he was the guy that was going to get traded at the deadline here. I thought he could have been used in other teams. Was there anything going into it knowing that, hey, we might have a chance here to make the playoff? Did that play a part in it? Or is just something didn't work there and it didn't seem like the right fit as they were moving.

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Speaker 2: Forward, Yeah, I'm gonna go Todd seventy thirty meaning seventy let's explore trades and then pull back to about you know, the thirty percent As they went into.

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Speaker 3: That last day.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think that I broke that maybe with about fifteen minutes to go in the deadline. But Todd, truth be told, I think they made that decision a lot earlier in the day when they realized the teams were not just going to pay their price for what they were looking for, which was very high end prospects at from a lot of different teams. So, look, he didn't have a great start yesterday. He's definitely been tinkering with his arsenal, throwing more curveballs, which is not something that he's generally done in the past, just trying to get out any way that he can. But if he does finish the season, well, I would imagine the Marlins will take a look at this again and say, hey, look is this something we can explore, or potentially they'll roll back with him for another season.

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Speaker 1: All right, So give me the glimpse of the trade picture in general from the deadline.

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Speaker 3: You know, what were you.

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Speaker 1: Hearing besides Sandy, did you think there was any chance Edward Cabrera was going to get dealt or really anyone else?

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Speaker 3: Like the relievers.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure the team was thrilled that there weren't as many deals as anticipated with them because it helps them gone this nice little run and also teach some of the young guys how to win, which I do think is an important part of rebuilt process.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Scott, it'll be great for next year to see those guys in the way they prepare for games. I think you're exactly right. Yeah, No, Edward Cabrera was also a player that easily could have been traded if a team like Boston or Chicago or another team would have offered up their very best prospects and then some.

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Speaker 3: That was the key.

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Speaker 2: The Marlins were looking for multiple players, so just one of the top guys wasn't going to get it done.

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Speaker 3: And Scott, the reason.

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Speaker 2: Why is not just because Edward Cabrera is pitching very well or Sandy al Contras won the cy young. They still have team control with Sandy next year and with Edward Cabrera for a couple of more years. And you saw what the relief pitchers were going for. I mean, the Marlins were well within their right to ask for a king's ransom for those players. So once it didn't happen, they just decided to pull back. But you know, I want to be clear, because it's definitely a fair question that Todd asked too. They went in with an open mind to trading those players. So while yes, it is a great story that they held some back and that will help them win, that absolutely is true. But the way that this organization is run, as Peter Bendix, the President Baseball Operations, always says, is they're going to have one eye on the president and one eye in the future. It wouldn't have surprised me if one of them got traded, both of them got traded, or in this case, none of them got traded.

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Speaker 4: I want I want to stay there because you said something that I've been thinking about even as they dangled those pieces out there to kind of see what they could get. The most important thing, Craig, you said it control. And now here we are, they're showing some glimpses of plants together.

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Speaker 6: Showing some athletics, leticism. They're a fun team to watch.

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Speaker 4: If you actually two in to watch the Marlins play, there's gonna be some action, some things happen.

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Speaker 6: They got some really nice young pieces. But when we talk about that.

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Speaker 4: Control, what is the outlook now that they're showing, Hey, maybe if we do learn how to win, like Scottie says, maybe we don't just abort and we hold on these special pieces like Edward Carbrera, like Sandy who. You know, if they get right or if they continue to grow, they could be some of the best arms that we see in the game.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Can They do have players that they would like to see in the minor leagues as well. In one of the trades that they made with the Padres, they got this kid, Robbie Snelling, who's been as good as any pitcher.

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Speaker 3: In the minor leagues. They haven't even seen him yet.

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Speaker 2: And they drafted a couple of years ago a kid named Thomas White, who at his level, he's been one of the best pitchers too. So I mean, look, there's always room for pitching. Because pitchers always get hurt. We have to call it what it is. The Marlins have been extremely fortunate on the injury side this year. They've been a very healthy team. I think that has helped also. Now the things they're doing behind the scenes keeping guys healthy, I can't speak to that. I know, teams like the Braves, everybody's getting hurt. Teams like the Marlins, everybody seems to be healthy for the most part.

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Speaker 3: This season.

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Speaker 2: They've had their fair share of injuries, so I think that's important cam for the future. But we also have to acknowledge that no one in baseball, including the Marlins, thought that Kyle Stowars would finish top three or five in the most vile voting in the National League. And when you have that kind of player on a team, that's Aaron Judge or show Heyo Tani or Kyle Tucker, I mean, he has those numbers like those guys this year and no one saw it coming so inevitably. With that and the call up of Augustin Ramirez, who's played fantastic, He's been a great hitter for them. That with everything else that we're talking about, that I think is why the surprise has gotten.

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Speaker 6: You answered my next question.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, when you look back at that Trevor Rodgers trade, Connor Norby was like the big piece.

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Speaker 6: Stowers was kind of almost the throwing guy.

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Speaker 4: So I was gonna say, where is Connor Norby on this, you know, on his progression and his journey?

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Speaker 6: And then you kind of answered it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, how pleasantly surprised have they been with Kyle Kyle Stowers and did they expect this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, it's really kim an interesting trade because if you think about it, and you think back a few months ago, it looked like at the t and by the way, Kyle Stouwers has been awesome, and I think Norby will be an everyday player in the big leagues. He hasn't been healthy, a little bit of mixed results this season. They like him to do things a little bit differently at the plate, not you know, better swing decisions, I think is what the Barlins call it. But you know that that is something he can fix in the future. But I don't want to completely take down the Orioles in this trade, guys, because all of a sudden, Trevor Rodgers looks like he has figured it out back to when he won Rookie of the Year with the Barlins several years ago. So it really could end up being a good trade for both sides. We'll see if right now the Marlins have the edge here without a doubt, because Towers. I don't think the Oils would have ever even dangled him if they would have thought that was the case.

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Speaker 3: But Cam, you are right when that trade was made, That's.

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Speaker 2: What I was told too, is the trade is for Connor Orby and Kyle Stowers. And it has turned out to be maybe one of the best trades the Barlins have ever made in their history.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been ridiculous. And for Rogers, I didn't have time to look it up, but I think that after next season he's a free agent. Right, they have one more season, one more year. Okay, so and Sotowers has what four or five?

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Speaker 3: He's got several.

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Speaker 2: But if you what's crazy, Scott is if you can see, this is what what bothers me. And no one could give me a real explanation about war, which is the stat that everybody goes looks like like Trevor Rodgers can pitch in three or four games and have a higher war right now than Norby and Stowars.

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Speaker 3: Combined, Like, how is that even possible? That's why I love War.

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Speaker 2: I get it, but I'm never gonna understand how that works because this guy Stowars has been unbelievable for one hundred and fifteen games. Rogers comes up, pitches a few, and all of a sudden it's the same. But this is what teams are judging contracts and players by. And look, I got to give credit to Trevor Rodgers. I thought he was cooked. I thought it was over and he's really bounced back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, Orioles have done a nice job with development with him and also him just getting healthy again. I see what you're talking about. Yeah, Rogers, at least for Baseball reference, war is two point nine, Stowers three point six. I personally will still take Stours for now, but I get it. Hey, if you're pitching like a number one, which he has been for the last month and a half, you know, that's great, so win for everyone in the Oriols. They need starting pitching, all right, So let's finish with this manager. Clayton mccaulla's over. I don't feel like he gets a lot of attention right now, So tell us about what it's been like to cover him and what he's bringing that's different from what other Marlins managers have tried.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the first thing that happened was when McCullough was hired. They realized that they had a guy that was going on board with all of these different ideas and development processes that they had. That was the number one thing that was with Clayton McCullough. And so so far, so good in spring training, because you know, when you bring in a whole new staff. And you know, obviously Gabe Kapler is their assistant general manager. He brings a wealth of experience and a lot of new and intriguing ideas to the organization when he was hired as well, So everybody sort of has to be on board with that, and so he checked that box immediately. Then from there, what you started hearing is not only is this guy just a baseball lifer, but he's like a lot of fun to be around in the clubhouse. And he's like, when it started, my background died and one of the guys. So he's really been I think a breath of fresh air for the team this season, and again getting along with everybody in the organization has been a clear positive for them.

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Speaker 4: Hey, one last one fan question from for you from Ryan Bloomberg. Marlins are training four or training four for sure. They almost have to stand pat in the offseason and run it back in twenty six.

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Speaker 6: The thing is will they do it.

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Speaker 2: Well they run it back? I mean I need to be more specific. You mean like keeping every single player that's on the roster.

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Speaker 4: I'm assuming that means the core pece, whatever the core pieces are.

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Speaker 6: Let's just what are the core pieces right is I think.

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Speaker 1: I just want to add, yeah, Cabrera's Contra et cetera. Like I think he's saying, like, you're gonna keep all these guys so that the rotation can have al Contra Cabrera. I don't think up next years you think they'll trade al Contra.

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Speaker 3: I don't know who they'll trade, Scott.

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Speaker 2: But you know the great thing is, even though it will not be exact and can it will this will be very much the way that Tampa Bay does business.

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Speaker 3: Does Tampa Bay ever run it back?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 4: Exactly, exactly exactly you there you go, Ryan, that's the answer.

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Speaker 6: It's very similar to temporary tempa rays.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's the blueprint. That's why they brought in Peter Bendix. Creg you're the man. Thank you so much for joining us. Give it, Craig a file if you don't already. Most dialed in on the Marlins for years at Craig Mish very nice and simple for following m I s H. Thanks Craig, good to see you man.

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Speaker 1: In the weeds. I've talked about the trade deadline for probably about thirty hours on the show over the past week and a half, but we haven't had you guys on, So Todfather, what did you like and not like about the trade deadline.

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Speaker 5: I mean it just for one, I'm not getting any team jet. I remember watching it, it just seemed like boom boom. It was compared to last year, right, compared to last year. I mean, honestly, it was a whirlwind. I mean, I know, you guys were going back and forth.

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Speaker 3: It's fun.

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Speaker 5: You know, we talked about the Yankees. I thought they got a pluthorwer guys. Red Sox what the Red Sox too.

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Speaker 1: They got Dustin May for the back end of the rotation, and they straight away Blaze Jordan, who's having a great year Upper Minors for Steven Mattz. And that is That's.

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Speaker 5: It, And that's that's what I'm trying to get at. Like this team has is in the right direction of moving forward. They're doing really good right now. I think that was the team I was a little disappointed in. There's another team. I let Cam go on. But you know, I had them making I have them making the playoffs this year, and I thought they were going to be even better than what they were. They've had their struggles, but man, like, put your money where your mouth is, go get somebody to go, get another starter, get another another bat something. I mean you know, they talk about it, but you know, I don't know. I think that's the team that for me, I was just a little disappointed. And there's others, but that's the one I think about that where they could make even bigger push to win the division considering what the Yankees are doing.

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Speaker 1: Our resident GM Jim Bowden said that they were the toughest team to deal with because they asked for too much in deals, right, like you're not getting fair compensation and deals according to most there, and Bob Nightingale said the same thing that they were difficult to work with. He specifically said, I'm going to be on here tomorrow too, so we can we can ask tomorrow. He'll be on with us tomorrow. Cam, what did you think about the deadline? And do you have anything for us on the Red Sox because they're playing good ball, so that's like the US, Right, they're having a great week, but this team could win a World Series And he didn't supplement it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I'm with Tie. I think Ty said it all. But for me, you know, one thing.

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Speaker 4: I really like is as we watch the Phillies go out and get one of the best closes in the game, I like that the Mets said, you know what, hold on.

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Speaker 6: A minute, We're gonna go get Ryan Hailsley.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna get Tyler Rogers, Gregory and Cedric Mullins to kind of help that defense as well. Right, I'm one of those guys that I don't really buy into the defensive metrics a lot. I watched the games, and the defensive metrics will try to tell me that Cedric Hunter excuse me, yeah, yeah, that Cedric Mullins cannot go get a baseball.

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Speaker 6: They're tripping.

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Speaker 4: I think he's a big upgrade from what they had in center. So I just like that the Mets tried to go, you know, lock Stafford Key to try to keep up with the Phillies. Even though I still worry about that starting rotation. I like what they did. I think we could talk about the Padres. I talked a lot about the Padres and how aj Preller. If I'm a Padres fan, I love a J Preller, Right. I know he got rid of maybe one of the top prospects in baseball. But when I was coming up, people told me, prospect just meant you hadn't done anything yet, right, so it was worth giving up a shot if you're trying to win now, and teams used to try to win now. So I applau AJ Preller for going out and really really putting his best foot forward, saying, you know what, I'm gonna.

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Speaker 6: Give up these prospects. And you have to give him credit. He always find a way to replenish the organization.

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Speaker 4: We're prospects to go out and make these moves every year, so it's not like they're giving up all these prospects and not getting anything back to go ahead and do it again next year. So shout out to A. J. Peler and the Padres. I think they did a great job.

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Speaker 3: Cam.

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Speaker 1: You played with Carlos Correa when he was with the Astros, and he's had an interesting journey right ends up with the Twins, then has the signing issues with the Medicals, with the Giants and the Mets, ends up back with the Twins, now gets traded to Houston. That was the most shocking move, right, not just that. I actually if you told me, hey, he'll end up back in Houston, I wouldn't be surprised, right, he loved it there. Twins weren't going to have him through the whole contract most likely, but during the season, they figured it out and actually I think it was Jeff Passens report yesterday he said, originally they wanted Griffin Jackson the deal, and they wanted them to eat half the contract about fifty million dollars, and so it was debt and then the Astros eventually called back like, how about we eat like thirty isshes, keep Jacks or trade him somewhere and then they get it done.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I love this.

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Speaker 4: I love this for one because I was never, you know, blessed enough to be in that position to sign a deal like Carlos Correa.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 4: I think sometimes it's players you do that right, you do what you do what you need to do to take care of your family. But on the other end of it, the Astros knew him right, even being being there in twenty seventeen and understanding how the analytic department and the information that they you know, they conversated about. It's it's sometimes you take for granted that, you know, being in a place that knows you right, and thinking that the grass will be greener on the other side because the money's better. And I think this is a situation where you know both sides are going, let's get that old thing back.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 6: This is like that accident.

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Speaker 4: It's like, you know what, let's go out there, let's date, let's see how everything goes, and then all of a sudden you realize you're better off with each other. Right, So you saw my tweet right there, I'm like, hell, while they're at it, go ahead and.

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Speaker 6: Resign Bragg and you put him at second. Right.

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Speaker 4: We know he can play the middle of the infield, and go ahead and bring that old thing back and put it back together move before. But I love this move for the fan. I love it for Colos Korea. We saw him in Boston. Now they didn't you know, fare that will, but he came out, I mean, you know, hit a big homer to kind of, you know, create that buzz again.

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Speaker 6: So I'm excited to see what they're gonna do.

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Speaker 4: And they made some good moves to kind of show up that defense in Ureus and and some other guys as well.

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Speaker 6: So I like what they did. And I definitely like bringing Carlos back home as we could, we should say.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they have him for three and a half more seasons and they're going to pay seventy something million dollars if you go back several years ago. I mean Korea wanted mid three hundreds, and he did get it. He got three something I think it was low threes, three fifteen or something like that from the Giants, and then the Mets offer was lower, and then eventually the Twins offer was I think in the in the mid to high hundreds. But if you're the Astros, this is why they say to themselves, we're not signing a player to a seven, eight, nine, ten year deal for hundreds of millions of dollars. And look, one of the guys who they wanted to keep very badly as much as anyone in their Frameschise history. They end up getting him back. And so I think Cam that's probably part of why they went from saying, hey, fifty and it came down to thirty, and they're like, think about it, we were thinking about having this guy for five six more years and two hundred something million dollars. Now we're getting him back for three and a half at seventy and change. And if they believe in him and that he can stay healthy enough for the next few years and they know he's you know, part of the spiritual leadership within the clubhouse, there that's a bargain for them, and not with and not and.

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Speaker 6: Not out the realm of hey, check this out.

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Speaker 4: Let's say he plays good for two more years and all of a sudden that third year and like we can.

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Speaker 6: Flip him again and get something else for him.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying, you never know, it might be a situation where who knows where the Astros are three years from now, and they're like where Carlos is playing really well and somebody else may need him to go play third there. You know, there's a lot of possibilities that really, I really like how it's worked out for both sides.

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Speaker 3: I really do.

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Speaker 6: I really do. Actually, there was that a player option or team option as far as that trade goes. Was that a I'm just curious which one the Carlos.

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Speaker 4: Going back to Houston was that a club? Was that a player option or a team option as far as well?

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Speaker 1: So the team obviously traded him, but he had a no trade class and that he's initially in the stories that I've read, he said that he gave approval only to the Astros, which were the only team that was really in the running, So it all makes sense. But yeah, he had to he had to approve it, so it was really ever he had the option to say, nah, I'm staying here in Minnesota if I want, but all right, Minnesota.

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Speaker 6: Says a lot. That says exactly.

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Speaker 4: That says a lot that he's like, you know what, ain't that upset, you know, I'm not that upset that you didn't.

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Speaker 6: Take care of me in the first the first time, Astros.

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Speaker 4: You know what, I missed that old thing. You know what, It's okay, you know, so, I just it says a lot about how they parted. Weighs and I love this, I absolutely love it.

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Speaker 1: I actually think he's going to retire there because I think he's got three and a half years left with the way the body's working in the age, so I think he'll finish up there with the shows. Much more on the shows on crush Citty Territory. Check that show out, Chandler Rome leading the charge there with Tyler Stafford to get a little Josh Reddick does