Episode 267

Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is not intended for all
audiences. Listener discretion is advised. And then I decided not to bid a
guy because then you, guys, I'm like, oh, well, she
has a guy, right, we're gonna kill Hello and welcome to Sword and
Scale Season two, episode of two sixty seven, A show that reveals that
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here with a lot of passion working on this. Thank you. I don't
know nine one. I just go home and taking my son and the doctor,
and my door was open, and when I came insid and some all
over my house and my mom's home, and I didn't see I'm just to
see my father the way I watched I go. Okay, take a deep
press. Okay, take a deep press. Tell me do you address your
calleing frock. On March sixth, twenty fourteen, a young mother named Amber
Smith arrived back at her Michigan home to find her house had been ransacked.
There was stuff thrown everywhere. Afraid there was a burglar inside, she rushed
her child back to the car and called nine one one, okay, and
tell me, tell me what happened. I didn't like to hear what you
had said this morning. I just like, you know, I just went
off at school and I could see other one to the doctor, and I
just kept back home and my my screen door was open, and my and
my experior door was open. But my fiance is home. So I thought
you just looked it open. And I walked in, and I thought stuff
all over my counter and on the floor, and so I told my kiddo
to kid and stuff on and get back in the cook and I ran back
out looking at my phone. And so you think somebody has broke in stuff
everywhere, and I don't see my fiance, but I didn't want to go
further into the house. Amber was terrified. She sat in her car in
the snow, begging for help. What is your name? Amber? Okay?
Amber, I'm gonna help you this, but I need you to take
a deepread. I'm just I'm trying to get the information crept all right,
I got you an Amber? What is your last names? Okay? And
so is your son's faith? Is he outside? We're both sitting in the
car, okay, all right? In about what time did you leave today?
I last about five afty seven, maybe because I had the top of
the store and get my other sacks to take the class with him. Okay.
And when you left, your fiance was there at the house. Yeah,
because the kids wanted them to come with us, and they couldn't get
him to wake up because he was snoring. Twenty eight year old Amber was
a mother of two boys, one she had with her and the other one
was at school. When she left that morning, her fiance, Trenton Mallory
was still asleep. And does he drive? Like I said, your vehicle
there? It was fucking cool. Okay, But you didn't see him in
the house, you know, So I go, I can. I can't
advise you to today. Amber. You need to use your own judgment.
Whatever you do, I'm going to keep you online until the officers get there.
Does he have any known medical issues? No? And by my partner
sending the officers up that way? What kind of gel are you waiting at?
Amber? Oh, that's a gold Chevy Malibu. Why is it always
a Chevy Malibu? Anyway, let's continue now. When you left the morning,
you said he was sleeping. He was in the bedroom. Yes,
him. Did you guys have an argument or anything? Actually, I got
clumsy with him. We fell asleep on the couch last night watching one of
our recorded shows, and we woke me up when he went to bed,
And then I said, I don't feel like getting up, and he's like,
come on, let's go sleep in the bed. And I was like,
okay quickly, I'm so grumpy. But it was in the morning,
so okay, all right, O, yeah, I just I've never had
anybody in my home before. And he said the stream screen door was broke.
No, no, no, my two doors were open, okay to
the house, yes, and you know what they were closed when you left?
Yes, well I double checks because I had to run back inside because
I forgot my son's back back to school. Okay. Amber was too scared
to go inside and check on Trenton. She stayed in the car, taking
deep breaths, watching the steam from her chattering teeth rise into the cold air.
And there's like papers and stuff strewed about her, what you know,
like my entire cabinet like full of medicine and like where we keep all that
kind of stuff. It's like everywhere it's all of them telling her. And
then in the living room it's books on the floor. So that was as
far as I went, and I teamed back out. Amber said she'd been
trying to reach Trenton all morning. She was out and about with her two
boys, yeah, and I've been drinking him all morning, but I mean
sometimes he's sleeps been pretty late, so I didn't think anything of it.
And when is the last time he actually talked to him? This morning?
Before I left, I woke him up and told him that I was taking
the kids to school and taking person to a doctor. Okay, so about
what time was that? Well, what time did I get out of bed?
So I had to read about twenty after six. Amber and Trenton's five
year old son was visibly shaken up in the back seat, watching his mother
milk down. Yeah, tell the kids, tell the child the afters on
their way, so that the police are coming, Honey, they're going to
look and see what's going on. Okay, the one want to keep up
safe, right, Yeah, just go ahead and stay in your car there,
okay until they get there. Oh my heart's going a hundred miles an
hour. I can imagine. I'm sorry. I'm right here with you.
Okay, I'm calming down. Just calm down, mommy. The dispatcher instructed
Amber to drive her car down a bit so police could find her. She
backed up her car and waited, breathing heavily. The police were having trouble
finding her address with all the snowbanks, and her son was scared as she
tried her best to coax him down. I know, mommy's not trying to
be upset any Mummy's just a little bit scared right now. Okay. You
know when you get scared if you watch a scary movie. Well, momma
got a little bit scared too. But I'm a girl, so I panic
a little bit. What don't you think she'd be worried about what I'm worried
about getting too. Finally, the police car came around the corner. Oh
no, I don't think you can find it. I'm gonna stand out of
my clos I waved at him to be consuming can put into my driveway right
now, Hey, Amber, go ahead and talk to him. I'm gonna
go ahead and just connect. Okay. When the officers and ambulance arrived on
the scene, they greeted a distraught Amber in her driveway. The snow was
piled up, and they asked her to wait in her car as they entered
the home. Just like Amber had described, the house was a wreck.
It looked like someone had haphazardly gone through every drawer, pulling out clothing,
papers, medicine and food and then just throwing it around as though they were
looking for something. When they reached the couple's bedroom, they found Trenton.
He had been shot in the back of the head and was lying under the
covers. When the police return to the cold winter air, they told Amber
the news there is absolutely nothing easy to say to do to make you feel
any better at point. So I'm terribly sorry for this. But on the
flip side of that, I'm here for I'll give you times of the EPI.
I guess, okay you but he I'm sorry. He he told them
as far as the time you left and said they got a good time.
Laine was right, that's what's his name? Again? Is your financiers trent
Trenton? And what does Trenton do do coke? Okay? And what did
you do for coke in the winter? Tiny merchandises in the summer somewhere?
Trenton was a merchandiser and a relief driver for Coca Cola. You'd been working
for the company for many years. He was a hard working family man who
loved Amber and their boys deeply. And how long have you been with him?
Like officially five years, but I've been we've been best friends for like
ten years. We went out his flind date and uh, is your your
fiancee? When when we do? When we're playing with it, and we
didn't have a date set because with Marshall, he's disabled and he gets you
know, SSI, and he gets child sport from his dad, and you
know, financially, it would have been stilly for us to get married right
now. So we were just kind of waiting whit Carson started kindergarten. I
was going to try and go back to school for nursing and married. Okay,
now these both Trenton's kids, mar Marshall's. Who's Timothy Traam? You
told trent Or Marshall, But he wasn't Marshall's dad. They mentioned in the
Nose. He's always been there since the Dame Marshall was born. Timothy Shram,
I don't know Kingsley. I think he doesn't. We don't have anything
to do with him. Now you say you don't have anything to do with
him, Does he have anything to do with Trenton? In contact with each
other at all? They met once when tim met Marshall, the only time
he's ever met him. Trenton and Amber had met when she was pregnant with
Marshall, her first son, and he had raised the boy as his own.
Carson came into the family a year later. So tell me did he
Did they ask you or talk to you about Trenton's night? Night? Yeah?
What did you do from six o'clock PM last night? Until? Oh?
No? We ate dinner, I know, we din a little late.
Cat napped until about five o'clockcast today afternoon. He was really tired and
he got up and I was picking. Really, I'm about sleeping so long
because I was tired too, because Carson has spent six so he was up
all night and uh so I cooked dinner. We had spaghetti, and I
watched SpongeBob or Breadwinner or something like that on TV. Well, we ate
it. We told the kids we get out a picnic because they weren't feeling
good, and he kind of hurt my feeling as well because he didn't have
seconds. And I know he hate spaghetti, but I love it. So
we ate spaghetti. And then I put the kids in the bathroom when he
watched something on TV while I was doing that, and Carson and I played
Candy land. After he got out of the tub and the kids went to
bed. It was a little late, and they went to stay because I
know, I couldn't stand that. You know, hey, it's we pissed
you good time. We took them in and then we went out. Time
to men cigarette and we came in and I made some kool aid and we
sat down and watched our shows, but we had recorded, and we fell
asleep watching the last one, the Americans. We fell asleep on the couch
and Trent got up about I don't know. He told me what time it
was. It was like threety in the morning. He got up and he
woke me up. I'm sorry, but this is a lot of details,
isn't it. It's like a shocking amount of details for a woman who just
found out that her husband was killed. Maybe she's just nervous, But go
on amber because I fell asleep sitting up and I don't feel like going to
bed because I was I'm cranky when I wake up. Then he's then he
woke me up again and they said stop being siwassie, and he's like,
well, you're counna get a quick in your nick and he pulled me into
bed and carried my hand and we went to sleep. Who doesn't like Trent?
Who would be his biggest enemies? Everybody likes Trent. He's such a
good guy. Everybody likes him. Enemies, I don't think. So.
There's only one person in this world that we cannot stand, and that's my
mother. Talk to me about that wise man, you know her, Darlene
Simpson. Okay, that's wherever your name? Before she tried to get me
to call you when she listened to she, we won't let hers, you
know, have anything to do with us, because she's crazy. Amber's mother,
Darlene had a criminal history, and the two no longer spoke, but
in a small town like theirs, it was hard to completely avoid each other.
She told everybody name that Marshall dies. Like all these people she worked
with them stuffs so she can get money from them in time off work.
Like she told everybody that he was dead, and so we found out that
she she got a tattooed to commemorate his death, like a tattoo. I'm
like, like, not a little one, it's like this big, huge
like and the people that did the tattoo and told us it was for her
dead grandson, and I the said him a picture, and I said,
that's my son and he's very much alive. And I told her I was
gonna go down to her house and talk to her about it. And she
had all of our stuff from we went on to make a wist trip for
mar show because he's too little, you know, And she had all of
our keepsakes to mementos because she was gonna make us a scrap book. So
Trent said, wait for me. I want to come with you because I
to see myself. And we showed up there. She went't answer the door.
She called the cops on us. The officer noted that he'd better look
into Darlene, but he had to focus on the murder. What exactly happened
when Amber and Carson arrived home. I kicked off my shoes and Carsen was
taking all this stuff, and I came around the corner and I saw the
stuff everywhere. I turned around, the sad past, and I say,
get yourself back on and go outside, just because I mean, there was
no reason for meds to be all over my calendar, like Trent when I
do that. So I guess growing up with a police officer, I was
taught to be scared of situations like that. So I just hurried up back
outside and I closed one one. And why if I were to tell you
that it's possibility okay, uh as somebody caused the deaths here, thisbody caused
the death to Trent. Who do you think would do such a thing.
Somebody? Trent buys and trades a lot of stuff, So there's always people
coming and going buying stuff or selling stuff. When you say buying, trade
me that parter kings. Well, everybody who knows Trent like Wilson's and they
call him trader Trent because he's always trading something like he wants to be the
next barter king, and so he's always buying stuff that he can make a
profit on. You know, during the slow seasons, Trenton would buy and
sell things on Craigslist and other bartering sites. Maybe someone he'd met on one
of these shady websites was responsible for this. What was the last thing he
saw? He treated a gun? A gun? What kind of gun?
What is a little tuppoortant Winchester, some kind named Gordon? He treated it
for a tevy that we had bought. Trenton and Amber had many guns in
the house and other valuables too. They kept cash on hand, but none
of that or the guns had been taken. The only thing that was stolen
was Trenton's life, which is unusual for a stranger to want to take if
this, in fact is homicide. If it is, I would assume that
you would shall operate to the forest. That means taking computers phones in that.
Amber was cooperative, but there was something that didn't add up with this
whole story. Listening at home, you're probably getting that sense too. Luckily,
she was ready and willing to be her overly chatty self with the police,
and she, like most women, Oh boy, here come the emails,
talked a lot more then she needed to. Thirty six year old Coca
Cola worker and family man Trenton Mallory had been found shot in the back of
the head in his bedroom. Is Beyonce Amber Smith and their son Carson walked
into the house to find the place had been turned upside down and that Trenton
was dead. Amber said that Trenton had no enemies. The only person they
didn't get along with was Amber's mother, who she said was nuts and had
been in and out of jail. Trenton also did a lot of trading online
and perhaps someone he had run into did this to him. You never know.
With the Internet, there's a bunch of weirdos out there, especially on
Reddit, just fat mouth breathing losers. You know who you are. Anyway,
Amber's boys were taken to Trenton's mother's house as she went down to the
police station to further help the detectives. Your relationship amazing, you know,
Gosh when commercial first Yeat's Sake, we found out what we were painted in
the week before that, and it was too stressful for us, like we
were two totally different people, and you know, we're going to handle this
dress together. So was up talking for a while, even though you know,
I was pregnant with Carson. And then you know, we've worked really
hard on our relationships since Carson's been bored and we kind of know like what
makes them tick, you know what I mean type thing, and you know,
we try not to be such selfish people, you know, like we
used to be, and you know it works for us. I mean,
the biggest argument we get in is, you know, he picks up Carson
incessantly, just bugs that kid and Carson hates it, and you know it
drives me crazy that he doesn't. And you know you need to leaven alone.
You're too hard on him. And I mean that's like the biggest fight.
We get it. We just don't fight because he grew up with parents
that fought. I grew up with parents that fought, and it was just
never something we wanted for our children. So you know, we'd rather not
say anything than fight. But even you know, now we've gotten past any
of that. Like I can't even move the last time we have fight.
It's just out what we do financially? All are you guys doing financially?
I don't really take care of it too much, but I mean it comes
and goes in the winter, and we struggling more than we gi him in
the summer, you know, because his hours don't work get cut. You
know, he makes most of his money in the summertime. Many striving side
love him. So how much does he mean free er? Do you know?
Three thirty eight issue? Okay? Does he do any other side jobs
or no? He just does his trading and treating, okay, And when
we see trading, I mean, talk to me about that. When you
may like gartering like he has a few like keys and you give me a
shoe. Do you know what I mean? Take? Okay? Do you
get life and trends? No? Just trend No. I think he has
a policy through his work if he gets hurt about the job. Well that
we don't have life insurance policies, any raise investments or anything like that.
Amber and Trenton lived paycheck to paycheck like most young couples these days. She
claimed she didn't know much about his finances. Any psychological trend uh d houseling
psychologists moved counseling in college a little bit, just lit onely in ms ink
and and University Anderson, India. What you study, well, I only
went for one year. I studied criminal justice and psychology. But Amber didn't
finish her degree. She partied too much and was just using college as a
way to free herself from her parents. There's a lot of that. If
you're a senior in college and haven't figured out what you want to do for
the rest of your life, then maybe you're one of these people. So
Amber dropped out and she went home. You know, I've known Trent for
a long time. We went on a blind day ten years ago, and
I chased that boy and chase that boy, and you know, he just
didn't want anything to do with me, and you know, we were the
greatest friends. But then I decided to go off and get engaged to somebody
else, and all of a sudden he was interested in me, you know,
so and then at that point, you know, he wasn't. He
wasn't at a point in his life that was okay with me. Like,
you know, I drank a lot, and he constantly called me for rides
home from the bar because he couldn't drive, or because he was going home
with a nasty bartender. You know. So that was our relationship for the
first four years of human and it was fine. And then Marshall came along,
and you know, he loves kids, like there's nothing in this world
that Trent ever wanted more than to be a dad. Like he just always
went a house for the kids. And actually we just talked about it two
days ago when his niece was born. How I shouldn't got my tube's died
because he left once and you know, once he started hanging around when Marshall
was born, you know, we realized that we know each other better than
most married couples to each other because we were best friends, and you know,
we tried to date, and then the stuff happened in Marshall, and
you know, it was just too much stressed for me, like trying to
deal with a dying child who I was pregnant. But then after Christen was
born, you know, we figured it out that they didn't start in the
most conventional way. Trent didn't and Amber grew together and made a little family
that they were proud of. You know. The first Probaut year was a
struggle, you know, trying to figure out how to deal with each other
because you know, he came from living at his parents' house until he lived
on his own with me, so you know, he was messy and inconsiderate
and drove me nuts, you know, and I was bossy and they drove
him nuts. So you know, once we figured out the dance of how
to live with another human being, you know, then it was great.
But Marshall was a sick kid. He had a heart transplant at age one,
and then the poor boy had to battle cancer. His medical issues were
a huge strain on the family and were something that would always be at the
forefront of Amber and Trenton's minds. Even now we have to take off at
home, so Marshall get sick, we've got to go, it would say
it or you know, and then we've got to find someone to take herson.
You know, like that's hard enough to find someone taking one camp let
alone too. You know. Medical bills piled up as the couple had to
invest in medicine and care, so Amber took to the local media to spread
the word and fundraise money to pay for her son's treatments. The media coverage
worked, and the couple were able to pay for Marshall's medical bills with kindness
from strangers. They received Make a Wish trips and other forms of charity to
help Marshall live an exceptional life. But it was all experimental medicine, so
it was you know, everything had to be paid for by us. You
know, insurance companies don't want to foot a bill that is an FDA approved.
But it had been hours since Amber had found out that Trenton was dead,
and now that she had calmed down a bit, they had to ask
a couple of tough questions because you guys just said that it's dead, and
it was a home side between somebody else did it, and the only thing
I can think about is how it's just to live my life without him.
Oh my good sister's few. I imagine if you said this, somebody got
into the safe, then they took their money, you know which, whatever.
But I don't know why anybody would hurt trent because if they needed the
money that I've had, you're just getting to them. Amber and Trenton had
a safe with about eight hundred dollars in it and some guns in the house,
but nothing was touched. And it sounds like this, you know,
offense or something like this. You always look first inside out. Okay.
What that means is his circle friends, his circle family is We're going to
do a full it's called victimology, a full victimilic. We know everything we
want to know about turn okay, and that's what I'm asking you for.
So you said the cases using inside outs, So you look at families first,
okay, and you eliminate you just keep working your way out, right,
you understand that, okay. So, and I'm lying to if I
didn't tell you that, you know, we do have to look at you,
Okay. Everybody's a suspect. Right, I'm gonna ask you had any
part or just play any part whatsoever in trying this step. It's your job
inside. Okay. So let's say, let's say our first level. So
we know that the kids didn't do it right, okay, and you're saying
that you had so that one was her nice love? Well does he hang
out with anybody ones? Amber continued to sniffle and cry as she recounted all
the happy days she had with trenton the little things about their relationship, like
how he would call her bossy, or that she was always running a little
late for work and she'd make his coffee and lay out his uniform. Happy
little memories float out of her between the tears. Then the detectives honed in,
did are you curious? So there's several different ways that I was like
to Kirk, correct, would you agree? So? So he was shot,
but it appears that he was sleeping or this heard so this means it
just looks it a little bit hot. Okay, do you see what I'm
saying? So let's break down everything, all right, So I gotta,
I gotta, I gotta look this, look at this one in Texas way,
Okay, Well, broad dahead hoops the middle door. Right, there's
a truck parked in the driveway. Okay, the door's opens, right,
and then all of a sudden a person is shot in his sleeps say something
on to anybody killing another persons on to me? Sure it didn't happen sometimes
not around here? Well, right, I understand that, but it does
have some But I'm saying, you take all those variables and put them intal
into the basket. You look at it some kind of odd, right,
because I think, how then would somebody know that you're not there? How
would they know that nobody can? Would may have a Trump Park players,
you have to assume that somebody's there, right, So I guess what I'm
trying to say is that it's you know, there's there's several things that can
happen or something like this. Okay. One is that you could have done
it, right, I'm just saying you could have paid to have somebody to
do it for you. I'm just just I'm just talking these are variables that
we have to look at, okay, or it's just some random random chance
to act that this occurred, and up here with something like this, it's
just not random. So there's there's got to be a reason, okay,
and you know, so let's let's dive into reasons. Reasons would be a
drug deals on bad. Somebody owns somebody a lot of money and they're not
paying it. Right. Is there anybody in your family, anybody that trembles
money to the you don't know about it. I need to know any dark
secret that you or him may have. I don't know, I mean the
dark secrets. We don't have any. Okay. So Amber swore there were
no secrets, nothing hidden beneath the surface. But the detectives knew more.
Sorry little testing ask the same question, okay, would you want to say
you want? And how do you think you were doing that test? I
think iming to just fine. I was with my kids. I mean,
I've never heard trim have cancers. Question. And with that the detective left.
Amber sat quietly, sniffling and hugging herself in her winter coat. Minutes
past and then the detective came back. You know, we had two,
possibly three witnesses now and didn't I see anybody going to to that house or
any car into that driveway? I don't know what tell you? I mean,
how can we explain that. But I mean, I'm just telling you
we have two possibly three saying no, we didn't see any cargoing to that
drive or anybody go into that house. I don't know how to explain that,
right, So who can possibly do this? No idea. Things were
not looking so good for Amber. Yes, she had an alibi that checked
out, going to the drug store, dropping her child off at school,
going to her stepsister's house, and then back home. But no one had
seen a single car or person go into the house. But day Trenton was
murdered, Amber said the couple had no secrets, but that just wasn't true
months ago. There's me tell me about that. What happened there? I
don't know. I guess we got wind other payments and we had worked out
an arrangement to pay them. But they report it anyway, and I decided
to be ternatic and say that I was gonna kill myself over it, just
because Marshall had to get to the doctor. And it was quite the situation.
I felt like a dumb mass afterwards, but it was what it was.
So they took the car and we got the car back. So okay,
well we start killing your stuff. What were you doing maybe? How
was it? Did you a gun? Yeah, there was a gun in
the house, but there's a lot I know, I'm tends to big hunter.
I don't hunt so Okay. Actually taught me how to shoot before ten
the other day the little one that he had shoated and that was exciting for
me. Amber's car had been repossessed because a couple had fallen behind on payments.
Then there was another money issue that the police just couldn't ignore. The
just recently without text me why directly to the storms that would it was cash?
I don't understand that right levering store one took care you. Not only
had Amber written bad checks and had her car repossessed, but she had been
aggressively flirting with other men on Facebook. How well do you know Ryan Hunter?
N Are used to read them. I used to work with him a
walnut Okay. I loved you know she did. I didn't work there.
Okay. And what was the last time you contested them? Turn and I
saw the other day going into service three works but we went seeing them to
him, I talked to him. Marshall was hospitalized and I talked to him.
Then that was two thousand. It was the last time him we talked
on Facebook. Maybe it was twenty telve, I don't know. It was
a couple of years ago when it was my marshal I was hospitalized. All
right, well it was actually it was sixty eight months ago. Yeah,
you're specifically asking the spot excuse me, and we have those six months ago.
That's correct, And actually in those messages had expressed the fact that that's
just something you do, maybe for in the process of getting those he read
them off to me last night and two in the morning. Was anyone else
really stunned by the detective saying asking him to fuck? That was quite a
shocker. Amber was looking worse and worse. Then they told her that if
her DNA just happened to be on any of the bullets, she would be
in big trouble. When I'm asking you said the question, all right,
hey, there may be a lot of excuse me, a lot of twenty
two shells in your house, all right, but is that twenty two shells
the one that we had? Okay, potentially, as he's singing in DNA
on that shell exactly to come back to you, you better be absolutely certainly,
because I'm telling you right now, but what you're seeing is not necessarily
true. Okay, Okay, So I mean is there I just need a
way to explain away that I can explain it for you. Well, why
is that my answer? Yeah, what I'm saying. What I'm saying is
I did not shoot. Try so based on what we am when we talk
about your cell phone, when we talk about eyewitnesses, all right, and
we're talking about true evidence. Based on that, I'm telling you there's no
doubt whatsoever that you're involved in this, no doubt. There are two reasons.
And I tried to explain that a little bit too yesterday about it being
two reasons. One it's a person that is just caught in the middle of
something that did something that's not supposed to that they would not normally do and
just snapped, okay, or a person who's just simply psychiatic. Okay,
all right. So when we talk about this, when we talk about this,
we're talking about something that are two totally different people, right, and
now we're trying to understand it. Right Who you are? All right?
I tell you in a situation and I'm telling you right now that the evidence
for here is not is not going away it's only getting stronger. All right.
Did you have anything to do with this? All right? Did you
have any knowledge that this was occurring? Okay? And I'm telling you right
now that that's not true. Amber was adamant about the details of her whereabouts
that day and that she had nothing to do with the crime. But the
evidence was stacking up against her. You see. Not only had her car
been repoded and she was writing bad checks, but Amber had started to gamble.
At first. She and Trenton would go to the casino together Amber one
big one evening and thought that was her ticket to financial freedom. Of course,
if you have more than three brain cells, you know that's a really
dumb thing to think. But Amber thought it, and she kept going.
She hit the casino alone, and when she wasn't there, she'd be gambling
on her phone at night. By the time Trenton was dead, she'd racked
up twenty five thousand dollars in gambling debt, all in her husband's name.
As the police continued digging in, they found out that the couple's house was
about to be foreclosed. Amber had been taking out payday loans with a three
hundred percent interest rate. They were swimming in debt, but it was all
falling under Trenton, under his name, under his credit. The debts were
all in his name, but Amber was the one who kept mounting it on
with her gambling. The police let her go. They didn't have enough to
arrest her, at least not yet, but they were looking into her.
She was the closest to Trenton, the only one in his life who had
a reason to need him gone. But then again, without him, her
children had no father, and she had no support system or family. There
was no life insurance or cash out on either. Would she really have done
this to the love of her life. As the weeks passed and the snow
started to melt, Amber's stepsister found something in her driveway that would seal Amber's
fate. Twenty eight year old Amber Smith had come home to find her house
ransacked and her fiance shot in the back of the head while sleeping. At
first, the police felt bad for Amber, but as they began their investigation,
her entire story seemed suspicious and they thought that Amber was involved. Not
only was nothing of value stolen from the home, but Amber and Trenton were
having major money troubles, and that always spells bigger problems. Amber had become
addicted to gambling and had racked up almost twenty five thousand dollars in debt,
and their finances were buckling beneath them. Bad checks, high interest payday loans,
and foreclosures were mounting. However, Amber was the one handling the finances,
someone who should have never touched the finances to begin with. Besides Trenton
being the breadwinner and everything being in his name, Amber was in charge of
the spending. She was good at it, so the cops were on to
Amber. Her story was sketchy and she'd lied about their money issues. She
cried during her interviews, but the sniffles were empty. Still, without DNA
evidence or a confession, they couldn't arrest Amber, so she was released.
March turned to April, and heavy snowbanks began to slowly melt. That's when
Amber's stepsister walked outside and saw something odd in her driveway. It was a
long brown thing in the snow. She got closer and noticed it's a gun,
the kind Trenton had been murdered with. Remember Amber had said that she
stopped by her sister's house on the day Trenton was killed, so her step
sister called the police and they miked her up and had her call Amber.
Oh hey, where you are? Okay, I need to talk to you
like it's really important and I need to talk to you. Okay, where
are you? I need to talk to you? O my pone or yea.
I went up to Mike's house and when I was leaving there, I
noticed something in a stomach. And when I and I no I played very
yesterday, I was gonna stop at myself three and talk to it. You
put the gun in the yard. I just I just thought it because I
wanted something for all protection. Sure, Oh I wanted to say something,
No I did. I tried to call you twice three times yesterday. Can
I tried to call my cell phones here twice? Oh god, no,
I mean I tried to call because this here's the ship out of all No.
No, no, I understand that. And I tried to call you
this morning too. I was trying to say artund so longford, waiting to
get hold of you so I could get home. I'm not the eye on
waiel. Okay. Well, I was just thinked out because it looked all
to do with it. I didn't touch it. Okay, are you kidding
me? I didn't know. I mean it looks I like to look,
it's like a lot like the gun that they had a picture of that they
said told you they said there was a gun, missy. And I will
just shake, you know, freakd right out. Oh no, I try
to get a hold of you. Gotta say, I think the stepsister is
doing an excellent job here on this call. It's very believable. It's okay,
it just you know, it just freaks me out. I mean it
just it looks like it's been there a while, and you know, I
don't I just my right brain is just dranger right now. It's just like
I said, it's just to find it there and it looks like it's you
know, just the snowe halted or something. I just sheer being like,
all right, I mean I didn't know, you know, so many time
to me up. What's going on? You know? Oh gosh, no,
you're a boy. Bring all along. You're well if you could go
like right to like and get it, because it just gotta get out of
there. No, I agree, all right, you're headings, Yeah,
okay, thank you. Amber said she'd be right over and the police were
waiting at her stepsister's house, sticking out the scene to see if she grabbed
the gun just in time. She rolled up in her Chevy Malibu, but
the cops had already taken the weapon out of the snow and into their possession.
Exees, I'm recordings coming back to her car. The police watched as
Amber shuffled around the snow bank looking for the gun. She hadn't in her
car. Yep, she is go, go, go go. Then Amber
called her stepsister back and tried to make up a story as to why the
gun was no longer there. Listen carefully well less understood what he said to
me, I would buying a gun from a person named Snow and asked them
to meet me at myself. Definitely something to start my gun in your bank?
So you were going to meet somebody at Mike's house to buy it?
Well, and if what I said today instead of yesterday, I respected,
I get ahold of Mike because I figured that way, I wasn't all alone.
I I just I am. I just don't I am so I don't
even don't think right now, I just I don't know. I just feel
like I'm just in such a shitty position. I'm pissed. I I just
don't I just don't get this. Absolutely, I just don't get this.
Saw I don't either. I Ember tried to say she was meeting a guy
named Snow to buy a gun to preten not that she left it in the
snowbank. Okay, Amber, whatever you say. I love you, but
I mean, did you you didn't do this? Did you? Glue Burgan?
I said, I love you, but you didn't do this? Did
you? Are? Well? I mean, I don't you got a dog
where I'm coming from here? This is just scary as ship and I I
just I'm just falling party. I just don't understand all this. I don't
know stand anywhere. But no, I'm gonna do it. Okay, Well,
I'm gonna go try and pull myself together. But I just I just
needed to talk to you, so I know, I don't know. I
guess hopefully we'll get some answers here. So so that would be the hope.
When the police directly confronted Amber about the gun in the driveway, the
walls began to close in on her. Would your sister tell you about the
gun on the driveway? Anything? So you don't have any idea because it
appears to maybe the same gun that we're looking for. That's what she told
me. It's interesting that I end up in your sister's driveway. Interesting,
don't you think we I think we probably need to talk about this a little
bit. Don't you remember what I told you before last time, when we
when we ended our conversation about the truth and how the truth is always going
to come back and we're going to figure it out. Yes, well,
this is the point right now, your story start. Okay. We've told
enough things that are path truths, untrue and just flat out lies at this
point that they're all coming back to bite you. I didn't do anything,
Well, it's not. It's not working out that way, Amber, and
you can you can continue to deny that, but that we know that's not
the truth. We've now collected the murder weapon that killed your fiance out of
your sister's driveway. Okay, and that where do you think that is?
Right now? I have no idea. That's at the labby and process for
a lot of different things, a lot of different trace evidence stuff. Okay,
it's all going to come back to you. It's all already coming back
to your story that you told us is falling apart in the midst of all
this that's coming apart. I told you that's what's going to happen. Did
I not? I did? Amber had painted herself into a corner, and
she had no more lies on her sleeve, no more sob stories to throw
out, no more ways to make herself the victim. The gun was being
processed, she was toast gigs up. We don't We're not looking for anybody
else. We've found our person, and here she is. And we've given
you the opportunity to tell the truth again and again and again, and you
refuse to do so because you're only thinking of yourself. You're not thinking of
those kids. There two things that mean the most humless life. You're not
thinking about You're only thinking about you. I'm trying to think about them.
There were no other tire tracks in her driveway. They connected Amber to the
murder weapon. The hard evidence was smacking Amber right in the face, and
yet she did not crack. Is this what we're gonna do all day?
We're not going away, I just said. But again, they still couldn't
arrest her without the lab results. If Amber's prints were on the bullet or
the gun. That's it. She'd be done for game over. The police
were so close, so they brought her in one more time, and like
a good, bold faced psychopathic liar, she showed up and took the emotional
battery. You hold the explanation as to why. Yeah, I guess that's
your opinion. It's not an opinion, it's fact. Disappointed. In fact,
the gun, the bullet that was entrench head belong to that gun.
That casing that we found the house belongs to that gun. You were positioned,
that guy. You took a picture on your phone with that gun,
and you the gun in the snowback. It doesn't get any more crew than
that. Not do just getting any more. Cree that right now. Amber,
You're just a cold blot of killer, that's what you are. Who
shot her fiance Innesley never saw it. Come say who we are? So
what are you? We know you're not just agrieving fiance, are you?
That's not what you are? I described the essentially from telling you a movie
on there read everyone thought Amber did it. Everyone, the cops, me,
you listening at home, even Trenton's mother who had loved Amber like a
daughter. There was absolutely no other explanation. The theory was that Amber got
up that morning, packed her kids in the car, and then ran inside
and shot Trenton while he slept. Then she took the gun with her on
her errands to create an alibi, and in the end dropped the weapon in
the snowbank at her sister's house, knowing it would be concealed for at least
a month in the cold. As for the why, all the debts were
in Trenton's name and the couple wasn't married yet. If she killed them,
then the debt would also die. That's the thinking inside her noodle. That's
how simple it is. That's how dumb it is. Criminals are not smart
guys. In her mind, she thought she'd end up as a grieving widow,
able to fundraise her way out of debt with her newfound misery. Victimhood
these days pays a premium. After all. The plan was pretty solid actually,
as long as Amber stuck to her story. But the bullets matched the
gun and she was busted with science. Amber went a trial for Trenton's murder
in October of twenty fourteen. She was arrested in the spring of twenty fourteen,
and by the fall she was facing the courtroom and the jury. Amber
sat sadly in her pink t shirt, barely looking up. During the trial,
it was hard to know what she was thinking, so she had no
expression on her sullen face. As the litigators went over every one of her
missteps in great detail, showing the video of her digging for the gun in
the snowbank. It took the jury less than an hour to find her guilty
of premeditated first degree murder. Amber will be in prison for the rest of
her life without the possibility of parole. The entire time that Amber was grilled
by police, they kept telling her to think of her family, think of
her sons, think of anyone except yourself. Amber. Amber's very sick child
had been through enough in his short life. He had battled cancer and a
heart transplant, and now his father was dead and his mother was going to
prison. When Amber was doing her media circuit to raise money for Marshall's treatments,
she said something almost psychic about the strength of her boy. Maybe he
was put here to teach the world a lesson that, you know, if
he can go through all of this and be happy then what are we all
complaining about. We don't know if Marshall is happy, or his brother for
that matter, but we do know that they have the love and support of
Trenton's family to keep them thriving. As if Marshall hadn't been through enough,
his own mother, the woman who was supposed to protect him from harm and
love him forever, cast the greatest darkness onto her own child instead. Ember
is a cold hearted killer, and she is right where she belongs for eternity.
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