Cattitude - Episode 285 Phantoms, Cadillacs & Claws — Crime Solving Through a Cat’s Eyes

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back everyone. I'd like to welcome David Sterling. He
<v Speaker 3>is the author of The Cat That Chased Cadillacs and
<v Speaker 3>the cat that followed phantoms.
<v Speaker 5>Welcome David, Thank you, Michelle. It's great to be here.
<v Speaker 3>Thank you. I'm very excited to have you on. So
<v Speaker 3>before we get started in talking about your bucks, you
<v Speaker 3>must love cats.
<v Speaker 5>I do love cats. Yeah, I've ever since. Honestly, when
<v Speaker 5>I was a baby, even before I was born, we
<v Speaker 5>had a cat.
<v Speaker 3>There you go, it's darting nose. So there you are.
<v Speaker 3>And did you now you're a protagonist in both books.
<v Speaker 3>It's a black cat.
<v Speaker 5>Yes, his name is Buck. He's a black cat detective
<v Speaker 5>and he lives in a little mountain town in northwestern
<v Speaker 5>North Carolina.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, does it follow you a little bit?
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I guess you could say that I rescued a cat,
<v Speaker 5>a black cat named Panther, and gosh, since he was
<v Speaker 5>two weeks old. I mean, his eyes were barely open
<v Speaker 5>and I can hold him in the palm of my hand.
<v Speaker 5>And you know, over the years, I've come to realize
<v Speaker 5>that how black cats are so mischievous and curious, more
<v Speaker 5>than any other cat I've had. I think people say
<v Speaker 5>that orange cats are kind of the same way. But yeah,
<v Speaker 5>I based Buck on my cat Panther.
<v Speaker 3>I love that you're showing a cat in a way
<v Speaker 3>that it's not just stereotypical black cat, you know, because
<v Speaker 3>sterry stereotype of black cat is always scary and stay
<v Speaker 3>away in this. And your cat is intelligent and insightful
<v Speaker 3>and is curious and all of that. And you know,
<v Speaker 3>I don't have a solid black cat. I have a
<v Speaker 3>tuxedo Mollie, and she is not that curious. So maybe
<v Speaker 3>it's all black. I don't know. Dennis is a partner
<v Speaker 3>and coon, he's pretty curious. Wow.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, nin koons are fantastic.
<v Speaker 3>So let's talk about your books. What inspired you to
<v Speaker 3>create a series? Because you have two books so and
<v Speaker 3>you're I'm sure there's more coming. So a series about
<v Speaker 3>a cat that chases cadillacs or you know, follows phantoms.
<v Speaker 3>The cat actually has a detective business. He does.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he owns his own detective agency. His owner is
<v Speaker 5>the town's detective. And it's a very small town, so
<v Speaker 5>there's only one detective. There's only a handful of police,
<v Speaker 5>and he has no idea what his cat, Buck is
<v Speaker 5>up to. Buck is an indoor outdoor cat. He has
<v Speaker 5>his own detective agency underneath of the shed in the backyard.
<v Speaker 5>So his human detective Shaw has no idea of this
<v Speaker 5>secret life of Buck. He has no idea. He doesn't
<v Speaker 5>know that he talks, that he helps him solve crime,
<v Speaker 5>that he places clues on his desk every once in
<v Speaker 5>a while for in order for him, Detective Shaw to
<v Speaker 5>figure out, you know, the solution to whatever crime they're
<v Speaker 5>involved in. And I don't think that's ever going to change.
<v Speaker 5>He's probably going to remain, you know, a secret hero.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I love it. It borders on let's see if
<v Speaker 3>I can say this, sorry anthropomorphism.
<v Speaker 5>Yes, yeah, you're right.
<v Speaker 3>You know, before I knew what the word what meant
<v Speaker 3>many years ago, I wrote a paper and use this
<v Speaker 3>in know this type of style and learned about it.
<v Speaker 3>And it's interesting. So did you always have an affinity
<v Speaker 3>and they're moreph I say it a few times and
<v Speaker 3>once or twice it'll sound right. So did you have
<v Speaker 3>a piper anthropomorphism or did you it just kind of
<v Speaker 3>just worked out that way.
<v Speaker 5>No. I think I've always been of a mind, even
<v Speaker 5>as a kid, that animals were, you know, intelligent enough
<v Speaker 5>to gosh, I don't know, have their own lives, right,
<v Speaker 5>Like when I was little, I remember watching the Doctor
<v Speaker 5>Doolittle movie not the Eddie Murphy one, but the Rex
<v Speaker 5>Harrison one based on the original novels. And after I
<v Speaker 5>saw that movie, and I was only like, I don't know, Michelle.
<v Speaker 5>I started to read early, so I was young, and
<v Speaker 5>I remember my mom had gotten me the like a collection,
<v Speaker 5>so they were like, I don't know, five or six
<v Speaker 5>paperbacks in this collection. I just devoured them. And then
<v Speaker 5>when I was a little bit older, I saw the
<v Speaker 5>Watershipped Down movie, and wow, Honestly, as a kid, that
<v Speaker 5>was a little bit traumatizing, but I wanted to know
<v Speaker 5>more about that world because, like you're saying, the anthropomorphism
<v Speaker 5>in it is just so intriguing, especially when you have pets,
<v Speaker 5>because you, as their caretaker, their owner, you know that
<v Speaker 5>they have their own lives and their own thoughts, and
<v Speaker 5>these books and these movies give you an opportunity to
<v Speaker 5>dive deeper into all of that. So I read the
<v Speaker 5>Richard Adams books, and just as a kid loving animals
<v Speaker 5>and wanting to be a vet or a marine biologist
<v Speaker 5>or something, I would just eat this stuff up. So
<v Speaker 5>when it came time for me to actually write a book,
<v Speaker 5>I've had short stories done before, but I've never done
<v Speaker 5>a book. It's just a larger endeavor. I thought, you
<v Speaker 5>know what, I'm going to go back to my first love,
<v Speaker 5>which is animals, and in this specific case, a cat.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's talk more about Buck. Sure, how did you
<v Speaker 3>decide to define him? I mean as a detective and
<v Speaker 3>so you know that shapes his characteristics somewhat. But did
<v Speaker 3>you base him a little bit on your cat while
<v Speaker 3>you did, because he's black cat, same black cat, right,
<v Speaker 3>how did you go about giving him these other distinct
<v Speaker 3>personality features.
<v Speaker 5>That's a great question. Well, yes, Buck is based on
<v Speaker 5>my cat, Panther, but he's also based on what I like.
<v Speaker 5>I love crime fiction. So he's a little bit of
<v Speaker 5>James Bond. He's a little bit of you know, all
<v Speaker 5>these noir detectives. He loves Miles Davis, he likes a
<v Speaker 5>good cup of tea. He has all these qualities to
<v Speaker 5>him that you can see from these noir films or
<v Speaker 5>old dime store detective novels. That's Buck. So he's a
<v Speaker 5>little bit of Panther. He's a little bit of me,
<v Speaker 5>I guess you could say. Okay, by the way, Panther
<v Speaker 5>is sitting here right next to me. Whenever I have
<v Speaker 5>a zoom call or a meeting or something. He's got
<v Speaker 5>to be a part of it.
<v Speaker 3>Of course. Funny if you have so. My cats are
<v Speaker 3>very independent. However, anytime it's you know, chill time, day
<v Speaker 3>in the night, there's Molly. And if you have your place,
<v Speaker 3>you know, on the couch where you want to sit, nope,
<v Speaker 3>if Molly's there, that's her spot. You just have to
<v Speaker 3>it because she's not cuddling and she will not move
<v Speaker 3>unless you will.
<v Speaker 5>Oh my gosh.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a lot of attitude. I think she was born
<v Speaker 3>in front of my doorsteps, so I think she should
<v Speaker 3>have probably been picked up a little bit. But she's
<v Speaker 3>always dependent spirit. So I have a question for you.
<v Speaker 3>So Buck obviously talks in the book, but if he
<v Speaker 3>were to talk, you know, how would it What would
<v Speaker 3>he sound like? I know, ja, what would boy sound like?
<v Speaker 5>That's great, It's just if you were to hear him,
<v Speaker 5>it would just be a meal like him and his
<v Speaker 5>He has a girlfriend. Her name is Tabitha and she
<v Speaker 5>actually is the police station cat, and they talk in
<v Speaker 5>the police station. But as far as the other you know,
<v Speaker 5>policemen or detectives that work there, all they hear is mews.
<v Speaker 5>They have no idea that their cats can talk. But
<v Speaker 5>there's also birds and foxes and dogs and goats and
<v Speaker 5>beavers and they all talk there. They all have their
<v Speaker 5>own way of talking as well.
<v Speaker 3>And so each species can understand what species is. But
<v Speaker 3>let's just play if they're on this, I know it'll
<v Speaker 3>sound like a meal, but it would be like a
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. In North Carolina they have a little
<v Speaker 3>Southern accent. You know, they're not Southern. Would it be
<v Speaker 3>mew like meow? I mean, I'm in the South, but
<v Speaker 3>it's I'm in further south. I'm in Fort Lauderdale, but
<v Speaker 3>not the South. It always cracks me up that, you know,
<v Speaker 3>places further north, like North Carolina Tennessee, are that considered
<v Speaker 3>the South and that people have the Southern accents. You
<v Speaker 3>come down here and it's you don't have any Southern accents, right.
<v Speaker 5>I can guarantee you that Buck does not have a
<v Speaker 5>Southern accent British. It's not British either. And this is
<v Speaker 5>so funny, Michelle, because I have had people ask for
<v Speaker 5>the audio version of these books, and I have not
<v Speaker 5>found a voiceover artist that I'm happy with as Buck's voice.
<v Speaker 5>Because all these stories are told in first person as
<v Speaker 5>Buck is relating it to the reader. So I have
<v Speaker 5>yet to find the perfect voice for Buck. But it
<v Speaker 5>would be, say, a younger, twenty eight year old, maybe
<v Speaker 5>from without a definable accent. I would say, because I'm
<v Speaker 5>originally from Philadelphia, right that Philadelphia area, and when I
<v Speaker 5>came down here, oh my gosh, the accent, especially on
<v Speaker 5>people who are who were born here. Sometimes I could
<v Speaker 5>only understand maybe fifty percent of what someone was saying.
<v Speaker 3>And it's not that much of a difference either as
<v Speaker 3>far as physical.
<v Speaker 5>Difference, right, Yeah, but I definitely didn't want Buck to
<v Speaker 5>have a Southern accent, but he has more of a
<v Speaker 5>I don't want to say Northern accent because then you
<v Speaker 5>think New York and it's not like that. There is
<v Speaker 5>a crow Crack in the books that has a New
<v Speaker 5>York accent. But Buck is more middle of the road,
<v Speaker 5>non denominational.
<v Speaker 3>You could say, I think he sounds like he's polished
<v Speaker 3>in the British. That gives me a little British, you know.
<v Speaker 5>Well, he does like tea, so he's got that.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Okay, let's talk about the chasing Cadillacs. What does
<v Speaker 3>the Cadillac represent.
<v Speaker 5>Well, that's a good question. In the first book, there
<v Speaker 5>is a car dealership, and without giving too much away,
<v Speaker 5>the person who runs the dealership is an antique car collector,
<v Speaker 5>so he has a few vehicles that are vintage, and
<v Speaker 5>one of them happens to be an old Cadillactaville, which
<v Speaker 5>is really a beautiful car, and that car kind of
<v Speaker 5>plays a crucial role in that story.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, and yes, you're right, the older cars were. They're gorgeous.
<v Speaker 5>Yes, their works of art.
<v Speaker 3>You're right. The colors and everything. Now everything's like white
<v Speaker 3>or gray or silver or black. Sometimes you see a red,
<v Speaker 3>not like what it used to be.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, this one's a This is a cream de Ville. Right, Yeah,
<v Speaker 5>it's pretty pretty sweet. I wish I had it.
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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back everyone. We're talking to David Sterling. He is
<v Speaker 3>the author of this series, the Cat Detective book series,
<v Speaker 3>and the first is the Cat that Chased Cadillacs. The
<v Speaker 3>second is the Cat that followed phantoms. Now, let's talk
<v Speaker 3>about before we talk about your second book briefly, what
<v Speaker 3>do you like best about writing books?
<v Speaker 5>Oh? Wow, that is a great question. I don't know.
<v Speaker 5>As an author. I think that it's something that has
<v Speaker 5>to It has to come out, like I couldn't hold
<v Speaker 5>it in, you know what I mean. It just has
<v Speaker 5>to come out one way or the other. And I
<v Speaker 5>certainly have great days writing and I have poor days writing.
<v Speaker 5>I think my favorite part of writing is probably the
<v Speaker 5>world building, So coming up with Buck's office and his
<v Speaker 5>tea collection and the way that he interacts with other animals.
<v Speaker 5>The crime, whatever crime he's solving, is basically the plot
<v Speaker 5>of the story, and that's a whole other issue. But
<v Speaker 5>I love creating the world that Buck lives in.
<v Speaker 3>It sounds like fun and it's on my bucket list
<v Speaker 3>to write a book one day. Okay, let's talk about
<v Speaker 3>the phantoms. What do the phantoms symbolize in the second story.
<v Speaker 5>Well, the town that Buck lives in, it's called Copper Summit.
<v Speaker 5>It has a storied history and it's not it's not
<v Speaker 5>all pleasant. And Buck comes to find out about this history,
<v Speaker 5>and I think that's where the phantoms come in. I
<v Speaker 5>think if your listeners love a spooky, somewhat supernatural story
<v Speaker 5>with black cats and crime and those types of things,
<v Speaker 5>I think they would really enjoy phantoms.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, And I want to just put it out there
<v Speaker 3>that were not stereotyping black cats like holl of Cats,
<v Speaker 3>because I've done a lot of shows on that and
<v Speaker 3>a lot of cat levers don't really like that stereotype,
<v Speaker 3>because it's sure one. I'd like that you made Buck
<v Speaker 3>a black cat because and I knew this from way back,
<v Speaker 3>because my cats all adopted me. I found that, all
<v Speaker 3>of them, but my dogs I adopted at rescue and
<v Speaker 3>they're they're all gone and doggy heaven. But I always
<v Speaker 3>liked black dogs, yeah, and mutts. And I didn't know
<v Speaker 3>until I saw a poster once at one of the
<v Speaker 3>shelters that you know, most people don't adopt black dogs,
<v Speaker 3>and I thought, well why, And then that goes on too,
<v Speaker 3>the same with black cats. And there's even during did
<v Speaker 3>you know, even during Halloween they put you know, like
<v Speaker 3>the kabash on adoption speak with cats because people will
<v Speaker 3>get them for just oh, something cute for my costume
<v Speaker 3>or decorating my house for in a party and then
<v Speaker 3>bring them back or just abandon them.
<v Speaker 5>It's the worst. You're right. I have heard about that.
<v Speaker 5>There's a scene in The Cat that followed Phantoms where
<v Speaker 5>Buck is on the sidewalk walking with Tabitha and an
<v Speaker 5>interaction occurs with a human being and Buck predicts it.
<v Speaker 5>He's like, look, I'm a black cat. It's around Halloween.
<v Speaker 5>This is gonna happen. And Tabitha says, no, no way,
<v Speaker 5>and it does, and she's shocked. Because you're right, people,
<v Speaker 5>and not everyone, of course, but those who don't have
<v Speaker 5>an affinity for animals. I think, you know, look at
<v Speaker 5>black cats and black dogs as unlucky, and that's a
<v Speaker 5>horrible way to look at a beautiful, intelligent animal. So
<v Speaker 5>that is something that I wanted to bring to the
<v Speaker 5>forefront with Phantoms because it's just it's honestly, it's a prejudice.
<v Speaker 5>I don't know why people feel that way, but it is.
<v Speaker 3>It is a prejudice. Do you ever did when you
<v Speaker 3>were creating your book? Did you read parts of it
<v Speaker 3>to Panther? I'm just wondering, because all the time he's
<v Speaker 3>a cat. I know that I understand every word.
<v Speaker 5>Probably that's a great question. Michelle and I now.
<v Speaker 3>You talk to yourself when you're working, all right, I
<v Speaker 3>gotta do this. I do that all the time, and
<v Speaker 3>my partner will go, what'd you say? I go, oh,
<v Speaker 3>I'm just talking to myself. I'm not talking to you,
<v Speaker 3>but I don't listening, right, so, you know, but I
<v Speaker 3>would probably talk to my cat if my cat was
<v Speaker 3>nice enough to hang around my key office.
<v Speaker 5>I absolutely talk to panther. We have conversations. He's a
<v Speaker 5>very vocal cat, but I can't say that I've actually
<v Speaker 5>read passages to him. However, when I'm writing, he is
<v Speaker 5>on my arms. He's in front of me on my desk,
<v Speaker 5>laying in front of me. So I've got to position
<v Speaker 5>my arms in a way that I can reach the
<v Speaker 5>keyboard with both hands and write, and that's not always easy,
<v Speaker 5>but that's where he wants to be, and I don't
<v Speaker 5>complain about it.
<v Speaker 3>Isn't that funny? I think more so with cats than
<v Speaker 3>with dogs. Were hated to you, but some people have both.
<v Speaker 3>Cat will position themselves in a spot and you can't
<v Speaker 3>only get them to move, so it's like, all right,
<v Speaker 3>how can I work around this? You know, because we
<v Speaker 3>don't want to disturb them.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's so true. There's that old Japanese print of
<v Speaker 5>a cat on a Japanese woman's very long kimono, and
<v Speaker 5>she has a pair of scissors in her hand, and
<v Speaker 5>she's actually cutting her kimono so she doesn't disturb the
<v Speaker 5>cat as she moves. That's great, Yeah, that's funny.
<v Speaker 3>How do you think our cat loving audience will love
<v Speaker 3>your book? How do you think your books will appeal
<v Speaker 3>to them?
<v Speaker 5>Okay, good question. They are their first and foremost crime novels,
<v Speaker 5>cozy mysteries, you could say. But at the same time,
<v Speaker 5>there's a lot of cat behavior in them, so to speak. Like,
<v Speaker 5>for instance, you know Buck will he's black, right, so
<v Speaker 5>he knows that he can hide in the shadows. He
<v Speaker 5>knows that he can be very secretive and furtive, just
<v Speaker 5>like Panther, Like I'll trip over him in the daytime.
<v Speaker 5>It's crazy. But like Buck understands that he's got that
<v Speaker 5>special ability. He calculates his jumps, you know, in other words,
<v Speaker 5>he thinks about it for a couple seconds before so
<v Speaker 5>he jumps from one rooftop to another. And you can
<v Speaker 5>see that in his back legs and his eyes. He
<v Speaker 5>has a special messenger that delivers messages around town who
<v Speaker 5>is a bird. But the bird is a little bit
<v Speaker 5>scared of Buck, and Buck is just a little bit
<v Speaker 5>you know, he wants to taste that bird so bad,
<v Speaker 5>So there's this tension between the two of them. Pretty
<v Speaker 5>much in every chapter, there's some type of cat behavior
<v Speaker 5>that is brought up because I just you know, I
<v Speaker 5>love cats and panther in particular, But seeing his behavior
<v Speaker 5>over the years and growing up with cats and working
<v Speaker 5>at an animal hospital, you kind of understand the way
<v Speaker 5>that hats to look at the world, and so I
<v Speaker 5>wanted to bring that into a book.
<v Speaker 3>What lessons do you hope readers take away from the
<v Speaker 3>cat's adventures? So when Buck's crime solving.
<v Speaker 5>I think, more than anything else, probably an appreciation of
<v Speaker 5>the animal world. Like I said, I love crime novels
<v Speaker 5>and movies and that whole genre. But it's being told
<v Speaker 5>through a cat's eyes and through other animals points of view.
<v Speaker 5>So I could have done this with a human, but
<v Speaker 5>I chose to do it with an animal because I
<v Speaker 5>believe that animals lives are important and the more people
<v Speaker 5>that I can make understand, well, you know what, maybe
<v Speaker 5>my cat or my dog knows a little bit more
<v Speaker 5>than I think I think that's a good place to be.
<v Speaker 5>We as the human race, I think, should appreciate animals
<v Speaker 5>intelligence more than we do. I think that's what I
<v Speaker 5>would hope that readers take away from these books. There's
<v Speaker 5>a third book coming out by the end of the year.
<v Speaker 5>It takes place in a theme park that has an
<v Speaker 5>animal section, So more than the other two books, I
<v Speaker 5>think this book, it's called The Cat That Tracked Trains.
<v Speaker 5>That book will I don't know zero win on that
<v Speaker 5>aspect of what I'd like to convey to readers.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, thanks, Do you think that your book might help
<v Speaker 3>cat adoption?
<v Speaker 2>Oh?
<v Speaker 5>Gosh, I hope so that would be so great. That
<v Speaker 5>would be so great. You know what, I'm very pleased
<v Speaker 5>to see that there's really not very many pet stores
<v Speaker 5>left that sell animals. I mean, when I was a kid,
<v Speaker 5>you'd go to the mall and or you drive past
<v Speaker 5>pet stores and you know, they're just coming from mills.
<v Speaker 5>And even when I was younger, we never got our
<v Speaker 5>animals or pets from pet stores. We would always adopt
<v Speaker 5>or like you said, they would choose you, they'd find you,
<v Speaker 5>and you know, yeah, I'm yours. Now, there's nothing you
<v Speaker 5>can do about it. So I'm really glad that puppy
<v Speaker 5>mills and things like that are pretty much a thing
<v Speaker 5>of the past.
<v Speaker 3>Pretty much. I mean, and I don't knock breeders. I
<v Speaker 3>know that people that want a certain breed or show
<v Speaker 3>dogs and they want to go to a breeder, and
<v Speaker 3>this is nothing against them, But I have an affinity
<v Speaker 3>for shelters and rescues. Yes, with my cat crew, my
<v Speaker 3>dogs were from rescues. And one more point about rescues
<v Speaker 3>is that there's so many rescue specific you know, rescue
<v Speaker 3>breed specific types, more so probably for dogs than for cats,
<v Speaker 3>but for cats as well. I mean, if you live
<v Speaker 3>in a warm climate, cats are everywhere. Dennis was abandoned.
<v Speaker 3>Molly was born on my front step. Charlotte's her sister
<v Speaker 3>from another mister that stayed my doorstep for four months
<v Speaker 3>until my partner wanted her to invite her in. And
<v Speaker 3>she's misunderstood, which means she doesn't like to use the
<v Speaker 3>letterbox nine. Okay, this is good karma for me nine
<v Speaker 3>years of her not using I've tried everything, and I
<v Speaker 3>know the cat behavior is out there saying no, you
<v Speaker 3>haven't tried this, but she's special. Okay, I have another
<v Speaker 3>question for you. If Buck had one piece of advice
<v Speaker 3>for all the readers, just like a general piece of advice,
<v Speaker 3>what would he tell them.
<v Speaker 5>He does say, and I believe it's in the first book.
<v Speaker 5>He says, never assume. And that might be a written
<v Speaker 5>in stone detective rule. I don't know, but it seems
<v Speaker 5>like it would be right. Keep an open mind about things,
<v Speaker 5>and I try to do that. I think Buck certainly
<v Speaker 5>does that. Panther probably does that as well. I don't
<v Speaker 5>think that.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.
<v Speaker 5>I would just say that never assume. When it comes
<v Speaker 5>to solving crime. You've got to keep an open mind
<v Speaker 5>for everything.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, in general, even when life drives you crazy and
<v Speaker 3>throw you curveballs, keep an open mind. It'll wait. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>you have our listening audience of Catitude. Why should they
<v Speaker 3>get your book?
<v Speaker 5>All the books are so much fun, Michelle, And I mean,
<v Speaker 5>I say that, of course I'm biased, but they are.
<v Speaker 5>I struggle to come up with the genre for it,
<v Speaker 5>Like when I was submitting through Amazon and everything. They're
<v Speaker 5>certainly mysteries, they're probably cozy mysteries, but there's a bit
<v Speaker 5>of fantasy in there, and it's just a unique read.
<v Speaker 5>If you love animals, you'll like these books. If you
<v Speaker 5>love crime novels, you'll like these books. There's something I
<v Speaker 5>think for everyone each in each one of these books,
<v Speaker 5>but especially if you love animals and if you love cats,
<v Speaker 5>then you've got to read them.
<v Speaker 3>I agree, and I like the tone of the voice
<v Speaker 3>of the book as well. I'm an avid reader and
<v Speaker 3>I thought they were very well done. Where can people
<v Speaker 3>find the books? Right now?
<v Speaker 5>They're on Amazon, So if you look for The Cat
<v Speaker 5>to Chase Cadillacs or The Cat That Followed Phantoms where
<v Speaker 5>you can book under my name G. David Sterling, you'll
<v Speaker 5>find them. I'll probably go wide before the end of
<v Speaker 5>the year, which means they'll be available at Barnes and
<v Speaker 5>Noble or Apple Books or those types of outlets, but
<v Speaker 5>right now they're on Amazon.
<v Speaker 1>Well.
<v Speaker 3>I wish you amazing success and thank you so much
<v Speaker 3>for coming on Catitude.
<v Speaker 5>Thank you so much, Michelle, it was great to be here.
<v Speaker 3>I hope you all enjoyed this show. I want to
<v Speaker 3>thank my guest David Sterling for coming on Catitude and
<v Speaker 3>sharing all of this great information about his books, The
<v Speaker 3>Cat That Chase Cadillacs and The Cat That Followed Phantoms
<v Speaker 3>David Sterling, available on Amazon. Thank you to my cat
<v Speaker 3>crew that teaches me about cats that make me really
<v Speaker 3>appreciate Buck the stories, So thank you, Dennis, Charlotte and Mollie,
<v Speaker 3>and of course thank you to everyone listening attitude. I
<v Speaker 3>greatly appreciate your loyalty and your listenership, and of course
<v Speaker 3>the show would not be the same about the magic
<v Speaker 3>of my producer, Mark Winter. Thank you so much, Mark,
<v Speaker 3>and hey, remember, lose the attitude, have the gratitude.
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