Best of the Bus: Maxx Crosby On Being The Biggest All-Pro Snub + Tom Brady In Vegas

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Speaker 1: What's up boys on this best of the Bus episode, a series where we drop a best of every Saturday and recap some of our favorite episodes, throwing it all the way back to when Max Crosby came on the bus. The boys were in Vegas before the twenty twenty three season with the one and only Max Crosby, Mad Max just elite specimen specimen of a pass rusher in the NFL. Max opened up about his goals and how he's leveling up for next season and what it was like playing with Ab and DeVante Adams. He also gets real on the Derek Carr situation. He will drop a monologue that'll make you run three brick wall and get your piss hot. Big hugs, tiny kisses. Enjoy this episode.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Bust with the Boys. Obviously, we are not on the bus right now. We are in a pristine locationknown unknown in Las Vegas, Nevada, at the home of the legendary Max Cross. And if you're at home right now, go ahead and give him a round of applause.

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Speaker 3: We'll do it too.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate you, guys, buddy.

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Speaker 3: This is an outstanding place. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when did you move into this residence?

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Speaker 3: We moved into May.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I lived about three minutes away before and me and Rachel were looking at houses for a long time and it was a very stressful Brooklyn, very stressful situation. You know, We're going back and forth arguing I'm done. You know. I was at the point where I'm like, I'm done looking at houses, like until I get my contract, Like I'm done. And then all of a sudden, my boys come in town. We're going to the UFC event that weekend, and Rachel's like, there's this one house we got to see, you know whatever. I'm like, I'm done. I'm seriously, I'm done. I'm done looking at houses. She pulls me in the car. We're going. We drive around the corner and that was it. We literally put an offer on this house that that same day. So really and this is this house.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there is a weird was that I said. He knew that bag was coming.

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Speaker 3: He knew the BA.

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Speaker 2: But when the bag is not secured yet, you do start playing the game of like, man, I wonder where I could get and you start, you get on the Zillow app and you're looking.

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Speaker 3: At the things. All right, this is what I can get right now.

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Speaker 2: But if I get this contract, I could go and get that that it's a crazy game you play in your head.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's the best.

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Speaker 2: Was that like a stressful time for you? Like before contract stuff was.

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Speaker 4: Like I wouldn't say stressful, Like it was honestly like a good stress Like you know, the situation like it's hard, you don't know, like you want to get to your number, like you're really hell bent, okay on this boom, I'm not going below this. But then in the situation, like when it really came down to it, I you know, you're never going to get exactly what you want. But at the end of the day, like I got enough where I don't have to you know what I mean, I don't have to worry about money anymore. So like that's the ultimate goal. But it's you know, for me, it's not really about the money. Like my I've always heard from coaches everything, like they're like the second contracts what the NFL is all about. And for me, like I've always thought about, I always try to do above and beyond, Like my goal is to get a third contract, like I want to be the highest paid in a few years. Like that's that's my ultimate goal. So like this contract was a big deal for me, Like I'm set, but at the end of the day, like I want to reset the market. So like that's like my goal for sure, one of my goals. How long are you want to play? Twelve to probably twelve to thirteen just depending. I honestly don't know, but like I don't, like we just talked about, I don't ever want to step on the field and feel like like not like myself. Like that's what I'll know, Like if I get to that point, gonna be done.

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Speaker 2: Because there are players that, like young, when they're younger in their career, they play super hard. Like we were in the car driving here, and like the adjective I think we use for you is like, did you play relentless?

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Speaker 3: You play hard?

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Speaker 2: And when sometimes when dudes play that hard, dead puts some wear on the tires. And then dudes get older and they have to change up their game a little bit, and you're not you don't want to sacrifice that.

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Speaker 4: No, No, you know, honestly, I've I've always kind of had that mindset, like ever since I, you know, started playing football. Like I truly believe there's only one way to play. And yeah, if I if I'm playing and being cautious about jumping in piles and things like that, like I probably shouldn't be playing. And yeah, like I just want to look back in my career and be like, yeah, he put a great body of work. I don't want the last thing they remember it is like my old ass trying to bend the edge and falling over and stuff like that's the last thing I want, you know, for me, I really want to go out on my terms, because there's most guys don't. And that's kind of the hard thing about this business. Like I you know, I'm not in control. I don't know you know, what's going to happen in the future, but like I know the preparation I put into it. I do everything I can to try to be at my best and be able to play that way. So you know, that's kind of my my long term goals. But I'm just literally just trying to stay in the present. That's it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's almost like how do you know? You know what I mean? Like if you're if you end on if you end on a high note, right, the competitive nature in everybody is you continue to go. It's like, I don't feel like you would actually find out if you've lost a step unless you had a year where it's like, oh yeah, maybe maybe I don't have it like I did the year before, year prior. So it's almost like how do you know? Because you're almost you're also addicted to all the success as well. Yeah you know what I mean, Like, how do you feel like you would know?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like like that's a great question.

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Speaker 5: His oldest being around the edge. I feel like that wouldn't happen unless it's like week fifteen, if maybe your last season and you're like, fuck, maybe I am slowing down.

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Speaker 4: Yeah no, that's that's true. You never, like I feel like you're never gonna know, like exactly. But it's just like like JJ, like I feel like it's a mental thing too, like you know when you're done. Like there's guys like I feel like there's certain like even I know Sean McVay, Like I don't know all the story, but like I know how he works and people talk about his work ethic like he's like when he's in it, like Seas twenty four to seven, he doesn't stop, and like people are saying he might take a break, and there's rumors of that just because of how he is. So like if I ever get to that point where I'm like sick of it and like I'm really not enjoying it, and I'm you know, I'm at that point where it's like I'm you know, I've already I've given everything I got to it, Like it's time to just you know, call it a career. Like I know that. I feel like I'll know when that day comes. Like even jj Watt, like you've seen he's bawling like he had just had twelve and a half sackses here and he's just like I'm done, but he knows he kind of hit that limit. He played what twelve years.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's Brady.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well it's different though, Like he's he's not taking big yets running and putting his shoulders and shit, so like that's different. Like I feel like, especially playing up front, you know Taylor, like it's a lot and it's every single day in practice, like a quarterback's not taking any damage during the week. They're not doing it during the offseason like we do it all the time all year round. So yeah, like my goal, Like there's there's main goals I want to hit, Like I want to be the Raiders all time sack leader, Like that's something that's like big on my checklist. Like there's a lot of things that I want to hit before I'm done. So yeah, you know, I'm just gonna stay in the present. That's all i can do. But when that day comes, I feel like I'll know what is the all time sack leading I think it's one oh seven and a half Greg Townsend.

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Speaker 5: So you're at one hundred sacks year ten eight? Yeah, let's say okay, yeah, yeah, let's say you're at a hundred sacks year eight, but you're losing a step, but you need seven sacks to get that all time sack. Do you come back the next year to get to check your boxes where you feel like you're close?

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I like this is different.

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Speaker 4: Like if I'm in year eight and I feel like I'm losing a step, then maybe I'm not doing something right, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Like maybe that's.

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Speaker 5: Weelie, you're so fucking relentless all the time, Like maybe you.

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Speaker 4: Know, nah, that's I'm still young, bro, like I'm twenty five and I'm going into my fifth year, you know what I mean, Like if I'm not if like just looking at it from like there's you look at the Kobe's the gods like that, like they work relentlessly. They were able to play twenty years. I know it's a different sport, but like even the NFL guys, like I know, injuries are injuries happen, like that's a part of it. But you know, I feel like if you do all the right things, you carry your body, do sleep well, recover well, do all the shit right, you practice right, keep keep ahead of things, like you'll be fine. And and that's how like I played almost eleven hundred snaps this year, Like I played a ton of snaps, but like.

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Speaker 3: I feel good, like I could go.

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Speaker 4: I could start training tomorrow if I really wanted to, but I have to force myself to slow down. So like I'm not fucking stupid. I don't think like I'm above other people, and I don't, you know what I mean, That's not how I look at it, but like I just I feel like if I just keep doing the right things, but I'll be able to kind of control my destiny.

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Speaker 5: And I was more trying to give it a hypothetical love you're slowing down, but you're also right there on the cusp of a couple of those check checks.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to yeah, I'm going to get I'm will play.

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Speaker 4: One year and if I go and out four sacks, then yeah it's time. But like I'm a yeah, I'm a definitely, you're right.

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Speaker 5: I guess it would be like, you know, it wouldn't be like year twelve or thirteen, where.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thirty seven and a half, Okay, that's pretty all right.

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Speaker 5: What are other goals on that?

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Speaker 4: What are other goals on that list?

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Speaker 3: There's that oh my bad, uh put it to your mouth.

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Speaker 4: There's a few like that, Like I want to be in the Hall of Fame. That's something I want to be in. I want to be the Raiders all time sack leader. You know, there's there's a lot of things. I can't say everything, but like there's like the main goals like I want to be definitely do that, but I want to I want to have a career where like when people look back, like the biggest thing for me, like the numbers and shit is cool, Like the jacket, all that shit's cool, but like my main focus is like trying to impact the way the game is played. Like I feel like in the NFL now there's a there's only a few guys that you really look at and are like, damn, he's just fucking he's different. I don't know what it is, like just the way he plays, Like I watch like Chris Jones and like Michael Parsons and those guys, like there's just something different when they're out on the field, Like it's like a presence, and like that's what I want to lead back. Like when people look back and talk about me, they're not going to talk about the stats at the end of the day. They don't talk about Lawrence Taylor's sacks. They talk about when that dude is on the field, he's a fucking animal like and that's that's that's the way I look at it, Like inspiring kids, Inspiring kids, Like I want to be that guy that kids want to be like like I want That's that's what matters most to me. So if it's six years and I feel like I'm losing a step, like then it is what it is like and I and I'll know I'm done. But like at the end of the day, like I feel like the impact I leave on the game, I want to be I want to bring that back, like the old school way of playing football, flying to the ball, not giving a ship, like throwing my body Like that's that's what I feel like is missing nowadays.

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Speaker 2: For sure from an inspiration standpoint, when you were playing at Eastern Michigan of all places in Ipsilany, which is wild, like how you were there.

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Speaker 5: Shot at the boys and its way better than the bast.

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Speaker 2: Man until this year, until this like when you're when you're playing, like obviously the first person that comes to mind somebody you've already like two or three times as JJ Watt, was that like your guy at Eastern?

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Speaker 3: No, not at Eastern. I liked.

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Speaker 4: I was a big JJ fan, like when I first started playing DM, Like my first year playing DM was I was a senior in high school, so I was new to the position. I'm like, who's the best at what I do? So like JJ at that time was like Superman. So I definitely I like watching JJ. But there's a ton of guys like I love Jared Allen growing up. There's a ton and it's not just defensive ends like I played growing up. I was a middle linebacker the whole time until my senior year. So like, you know, I could go on and on about different players, but yeah, I watch everybody, and I just I want to be like unique, like somebody not just another guy, another hard working, Like I going to be somebody to look back. It is like damn, like in that time, like this dude was just different than most dudes.

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Speaker 2: Because JJ was one of those dudes who like fought through the fringe. Like when I first got to Tennessee, it was like that was when JJ was was JJ.

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Speaker 3: It was terrifying.

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Speaker 2: And then you know, he went through like a three four years where he like played six games, played nine games, like didn't really play a whole lot, and he could have easily been where we've been. What we've been talking about was like is he losing a step? Yeah, and he goes back to the Cardinals and like, you say, you had twelve sacks this year, but LOOKI was balling this year.

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Speaker 5: It's a competitive I feel like it's like that competitive fire.

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Speaker 2: Like also the fight of being like this can't be the end for me, Like I need to make this comeback real.

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Speaker 5: But you're in it. Though, like you're in your own Like some people could objectively say, like maybe you are losing a step, but I guess only you know. But then that's obsession of being so uber competitive. Maybe you don't necessarily know it, but you keep going back right for sure.

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Speaker 4: And that's the thing too. Guys like the game you evolve like over time, like especially like even if some guys are a little bit older, that's the thing too. Like my game is from my rookie year to now, it's like pull it, you know what I mean, I've gone. It's not even like the same person I watched my film, So even I feel like it's when you get older, too, Like you see a guy like this I always refer to the NBA, but like you see James Harden, like he used to be dropping forty a game every night and now he's like a pass first, he's leading the league and assist because he's lost the step, but he's also like the best passer in the league now and he's just evolved as a player. So yeah, I feel like that's the thing. Like I have this vision of what I want by handing to look like and how it's gonna be, but like I truly don't know, Like I really don't know. I just I just try to stay stay in the day, bro, And if I can maximize every day and do what I do, like it's just gonna work out the way it's supposed to. You know, it's not that's not under my control.

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Speaker 3: Going now, you're right.

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Speaker 5: I was gonna switch a subject, but if you're staying on there, No, I was just I was.

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Speaker 2: Playing till Like everyone everyone really has this, like everyone's writing their own little story in their head and they're like they're narrating their own story. Like if I do this, like it's gonna look like this, and like you're literally watching yourself daydream of how it's all going to end. Everyone plays it out, and you're right, like a lot of dudes can't go out in their own terms. Like a lot of people like uh, Like for me, two acls in three years, it's like I was on top of the world before that, and I thought, oh man, I'm getting this jacket, Like we're gonna keep going and things just switch up on you and you have to learn to pivot and be happy with what you done.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what's it?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 5: What's it like being Brian Baldinger is one of his favorite players. I feel like my man is always shouting you out because of what you talk about the impact on the game. I feel like he does a great job of spotlighting that and showing that the commodore whether or not you're getting this stat of a sack, the way you affect the game. What's it like like having a legend like that talk about you multiple times throughout the year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's awesome.

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Speaker 4: You know, ever since my rookie year, for some reason, like my first game that I really got to play in was an Indianapolis game. I think it was week four of my rookie year, and he put a video out and he made up the condor nickname and all this stuff, and I was like throwing off.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, damn likely juicy.

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Speaker 4: He narrates that stuff like he's some fire. The comment, the whole thing is classic. So it's like when he's first started doing that, like I reached out back to him and I was like, man, I was like, I appreciate.

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Speaker 3: It means the world.

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Speaker 4: And then you know, I just as my career's gone, he's always doing videos and now like we'll talk like before you know, after a game. I'll be like, go go watch what I did on this third down, and he'll check it out and be like and we'll just have conversations back and forth.

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Speaker 3: He loves he.

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Speaker 4: Loves football, bro. And that's that's the type of people I like to like to associate myself with. So, you know, like Marinelli and those guys, Like I talked to Marionelli to this day every day, Like I was just saw him in Texas. I was just on the phone with them like two hours ago. Like he's one of those guys that like I need in my life to keep Like everybody has those people, especially like in your sport, that you like just have a different level of respect for and like Baldy and like Marinelli, those guys like I constantly even when I'm not training, like right now, I have a couple of weeks to kind of get off my feet, like just I need it, Like it's my part of like my addiction, Like I love playing football. So having those guys just talkball and just feed me knowledge is really cool.

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Speaker 2: How do you get the commodore nickname the condor Condors comedy?

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Speaker 3: What is a commando that like down Dude's similar?

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Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, similar schools.

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Speaker 3: How did you get that nickname?

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Speaker 4: It was just from Baldinger. I think it was that. Yeah, I guess the wingspan you.

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Speaker 2: Do have like a solid cave man like knuckles touch and knees.

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Speaker 3: That's a big that's a big compent. You want them.

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Speaker 4: Them things are flying to when you're yeah, I've I've heard a lot of different weird you watch your film. You see them in the.

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Speaker 3: Right guard when you're playing.

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Speaker 4: See that's the funny thing. Bro, Like and this is weird, and y'all can believe me or not. But when I went to the combine, I'm like, you know, everyone's always told me that, like, bro, you got long arm, like your long athlete. I went to the combine, I was like almost the bottom. When it came to wingspan, they were like, I swear to god, they had articles uh the Eastern Michigan Because like, I did good at the combines with people start talking about me more. But they're like, yeah, I don't know his wingspan short and blah blah blah. And I'm like, what was your It was like it was like six ten wingspan. I don't know my arm length. It was like I tell you six five oh.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a dub.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: If your wingspan is longer than your boy.

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Speaker 3: Know, that's what you got them, Stubby wings wrestler in his podcast to relax, you got to pull his shoulders way.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to hit that ball the other day in the shop and all I can't. I can't get it started.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I gotta kind of bounce the ball.

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Speaker 2: You do, got them little stuff, but they make your arms are bigger though that way, like long arms, the arms don't look as big.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't know. It's weird. Brota small torsos, right, there's got to be something wrong. I think I got a small torso. I think I got wide shoulders that make my arm seem longer.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: You got no fucking yo. That's hilarious.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Eastern Michigan. How did you end up there? It's funny you brought this up.

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Speaker 4: So yesterday my d line coach from Eastern called me and he, uh, you know, we're just chopping it up talking talking ball and whatever, and somehow he brings it up. He's like, yeah, you know, you know, it's hilarious. You know, we we've been interviewing a new D line guy because he's going to move to linebackers there at Eastern and Out. They're getting a new D line coach. And he was like, Coach Creighton, my head coach. He started this thing. In his interview process. He puts up five high school players film and shows the D line coaches and has him ranked the D lineman. He puts, like, whatever, one of the guys that are trying to recruit. He puts my film in there from my high school, like when I was in high school, and he puts, like, you know, four other random guys. He said, So my D line coach, my old D line coach told me yesterday he said, every single coach ranks me at like fourth or fifth from my school day.

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Speaker 5: And I'm dying laughing and they don't know.

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Speaker 4: And then they're like, yeah, you know that's Max Crosby, right, and they're like they all get awkward, awkward, But.

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Speaker 3: You just guys sit there at that meeting. I'm not getting this job. It's over.

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Speaker 4: But that's that's kind of like bro I was a late bloomer, Like I was a I was a linebacker all the way up to my senior year. Then we got these new coaches, and I had a big roastpurt, but like my body, I wasn't caught up, like Bro, my knees were hurt and I was slow twitch as fucked. Like if you watched my high school film and be like, yeah, I'm not surprised he went to Eastern, like I was surprised. I got a D one offer. They were the only d one to offer me. Bro, They're my only offer in general. So like I got that offer, I jumped on it, committed and boom and then yeah, are you a basketball guy?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I played basketball? Yeah I could. I could buckets playing the paint. I was.

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Speaker 4: I was like a you know, like a stretch for kind of guy. I could shoot, I could shoot the ball. I sort of God, I would I rather shoot than be on the block. Like, I'm not a back to the basket gay. I'm catching the ball at the top. You can't get to the lane hammer paint guy, Absolutely not, you can't. I can rebound, but like, I'm not back to the basket old school George, Mike and come on.

00:20:06
Speaker 5: Can you dribble?

00:20:08
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna hide. But I have the serbian my mom. Serbian is it's translated to the court.

00:20:14
Speaker 3: Can you do the dribble between your legs?

00:20:17
Speaker 5: Can you dunk?

00:20:19
Speaker 3: I could go right there? And women talking about the other hoop? We have a court back then?

00:20:24
Speaker 5: Is it even regulation?

00:20:25
Speaker 2: That's probably a feet, Yeah, it's got to be a feet. Can you do the thing where you bounce the ball and you pick your shirt up and the ball goes in and you slap it and it goes around.

00:20:32
Speaker 4: And one mixed day. Yeah, I don't think I can do that.

00:20:35
Speaker 5: You think you're the best basketball player on the Raiders.

00:20:37
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think guys would tell you that too. I'm I'm not gonna hide myself up. But we've all played again.

00:20:43
Speaker 5: I see you over there getting a little You keep like twitching a little bit like I can get. Yeah, make you a little triggered that we're kind of questioning your back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it hurts, but it's it's normal for you know, being a white guy. They will always question you at first, But then you go on the court and you fucking.

00:20:57
Speaker 3: Everywhere.

00:20:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are, you are tatted? Is uh? What's it like playing defense being white?

00:21:05
Speaker 3: Is that tough?

00:21:07
Speaker 5: I remember when Taylor calls you, Oh, he's just another normal white guy out.

00:21:10
Speaker 3: There on the Field.

00:21:11
Speaker 2: Actually Will told me that story. I forgot that even happened, explaining that what happened that day, because I don't remember when saying that to you. Remember, No, I really don't. You told me My whole focus in that game was you.

00:21:26
Speaker 3: When we were playing.

00:21:27
Speaker 5: You literally told me we were pulling up, You're like, was Max a guy where I said, uh, there's just another white guy?

00:21:32
Speaker 2: No, but yeah, because you've told me that story. But I remember in the moment saying that. I remember him saying that to you.

00:21:37
Speaker 5: Finally got you guys here together. Max, Will let me down on like how much money I think I know I was telling you, I'll give you two hundred dollars per sack you got on.

00:21:44
Speaker 4: Taylor or something like that. Yeah, at work. I got the Titans back this year though, So I was proud and I love veryble.

00:21:53
Speaker 3: Know about it. Did you really?

00:21:55
Speaker 4: I was talking on the whole game. You're just sitting there on the sideline of his hands on his knees after y'all try to run that weird reverse boot ship and I just yeah, it was like on a third down and I just jetted smoked Tannehill and I looked to the silent Rabel just looking. He was right there. I was like, stop running that ship at me, stop running that ship. And he's like okay, shaking his head and ship okay. But I fuck with verbel Bro. He's one of those coaches. This is random, off topic, but he like he text me all the time. He's cool as ship. He was my coach of the Pro Bowl last years.

00:22:29
Speaker 5: Yeah, you gotta respect that third contract.

00:22:32
Speaker 4: You just gotta build relationships. Bring you to Nashville with the boys. I don't know about that, but.

00:22:38
Speaker 3: Fantastic and Blue never know, you never know. Yeah, I'm happy where I'm not.

00:22:45
Speaker 5: You're doing the boys in that show.

00:22:46
Speaker 4: Wouldn't you if they didn't want me here anymore? Yeah? Of course, but I think, uh, I think it's gonna work out.

00:22:53
Speaker 3: Just dude, Rab.

00:22:55
Speaker 2: You don't know Rabel like we know veryble because he'll go in meetings like on Wednesdays and Thursdays and pull it tape and just dummy guys, like just verbally assault them. And I remember playing I think it was that your rookie hear we played in Oakland. That's when we played each other. He would put you on the film and there wasn't really a bad thing because you play hard. Yeah, and there wasn't a bad thing. He's like this loud mouth motherfucker, like just like a circle room was like this guy he can't fucking touch the quarterback. Fuck this guy like going off about you the whole time. And that's got to be a great feeling because I've had the same thing with like Bill O'Brien and Bill O'Brien be like a seventy seven.

00:23:28
Speaker 3: He is a fake tough guy and that that hurt every time.

00:23:31
Speaker 5: Remember I remember going through in the defensive meeting that week, like the same kind of stuff.

00:23:38
Speaker 4: Similarity, he's gonna try to get the whole time. Yeah, it's funny, but that's like I have. You know how the NFL is. You have friends on all the different teams. You know, a bunch of guys, Like that's the funniest ship when you sit there and talk after the season and they're like, yeah, in our meeting, you know, we circled you and just kind of hearing what other teams have to say about you, Like that's interesting. You know, everybody has their own kind of perspective on who you are as a guy. There's some teams that think I'm the biggest piece of shit on the planet.

00:24:04
Speaker 2: Like really, of course, like he's so loud, I'm loud, and he he makes a play, He's like what motherfucker.

00:24:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't help myself. I love it like I'm loud. But that's like there's there's certain teams that you could tell like they're trying to fuck me up, like the Niners team, Like the Niners coach and all them, they like buttered me up all week. They're like, man, besides Bosa, he's you know, he's probably the best guy. Once we got to the game, they tried to send the fucking house at me.

00:24:30
Speaker 3: Bro.

00:24:31
Speaker 4: They were doing Bro just different, weird, like the Niners blocking, like the schemes and shit they do. I've never experienced anything like it. Like Bro, they were tackle tight end both going down and the guard would fucking like they were coming at angles.

00:24:45
Speaker 3: You didn't even know where the fuck they were coming from. Bro. It was just different.

00:24:48
Speaker 4: But like that's the thing, Like that's the coolest thing about the league is like being in a position, you know how it is like you're on an island the whole game. You don't even have to worry about it. So like that's your responsibilities. For me, it's the opposite. I know, Oh they're going to be sending shit at me, and it's like it's a different type of challenge every week. And all the offensive coordinators they all got a different way of approaching and it's it's cool because after the games they'll talk about, Yeah, we're trying to fuck you up and we're trying to do this, and I'm like, oh, you got me on this, but fucked you up on that play. Yeah, it's cool, man, That's that's what.

00:25:18
Speaker 2: That's what leag Kyle Shanahan's so good watching their first playoff game and the blocking teams are wild, wild, Like there was what was the play? Oh, they like the tight end like went out on the end and then like flashed the end as if he wasn't like he's gonna block them, then went away and then Trent was there. That was when McCaffrey had like that long like fifty five yard runs. But the blocking scheme was just so unique and it's simple because you look as from offens line like, oh, they're just running this play with like these two little different things. But they do such a good job of opening up holes. Yes, they got studs all around.

00:25:56
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, yeah, that helps as well. When you got fucking between Deebo and McCaffrey like those in open field, there's probably there's you can't name anybody really better than them, like you got tyreeks and shit like that. But like McCaffrey and Deebo, like an open field, they're fucking electric.

00:26:12
Speaker 3: Bro dangerous.

00:26:14
Speaker 5: Like playing against Trent Williams.

00:26:15
Speaker 4: He's a stud. Bro, he's a stud. It was fun though, had we had some good battles.

00:26:19
Speaker 5: Did you get one on him?

00:26:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a couple of I didn't get a sack on him, but I had a nice little QB hit on a little inside move. It felt good. No, we were talking. He's cool as ship. He's talking like just having conversation. But I usually I'm a line up on the left, so like I'm going to get the right tackle most of the time. So once I went over, like we knew, like Trent's going to be on an island. So during the game we kind of schemed it up where Okay, Max, you're gonna play a little bit more on Trent because you'll have more one on one opportunities because they're gonna probably chip with the right tackle and stuff. So I got to rush against him a couple of times. But I've heard, well, I had some good rushes. He has some good He's just a big motherfucker and he's athletics, so it was a it was a good matchup.

00:26:59
Speaker 3: Bro.

00:26:59
Speaker 4: We we got the best of each other a few times. That's cool.

00:27:02
Speaker 3: You were telling that story on the plane about him and Shawn Jackson.

00:27:06
Speaker 5: They were just his athletic ability. Yeah, Like there's one offseason where we were in OTAs and they were basically trying to narrow down who had like the fastest start. So like every group, I mean, very subjective, but ten yards, it's kind of hard to figure out who wins everyone, but every position could go and then they would put everybody together. But the final two were DeShawn Jackson and Trent Williams because he could just get out like, he's extremely athletic. They were talk about him playing. They would talking about playing. They said he would when they would play basketball. The why that he played like beyond the arc, he'd win, They'll dunk like do all this stuff. He's just like a super athlete. Bro.

00:27:48
Speaker 4: He's a freak.

00:27:49
Speaker 3: Bro. He really is a freak. What about McGlinchey for the Niners.

00:27:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a big deal. He's a big guy.

00:27:55
Speaker 2: He's he's a little more stiff, but I feel like he's an underrated cat, like he doesn't get enough respect.

00:28:00
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't know. I thought he was solid. You know. It's that's a weird thing, like especially now, like I'm like this year, especially like I played on the left side majority of the time, and like early on when me and Chandler are both going, like the chips would go back and forth, so I would have some more one on ones and shit, but Chan got hurt against Pittsburgh, and like the last few games, it was like if I wasn't moving around, like I'm getting there sliding and they're chipping.

00:28:27
Speaker 3: So it was hard. It was really fucking difficult.

00:28:30
Speaker 4: To kind of get those true one on ones, and especially when you're not up in games, like you don't you know, there's it's a lot less you know, it's a lot more predictable what they're doing. So no, I got Yeah, Mike mcglinch, he's he's a big motherfucker. He was he was solid. We definitely, yeah, we had we had a good little, a little back and forth. It was it was fun.

00:28:49
Speaker 3: Bro. That's the thing with the Niners.

00:28:50
Speaker 4: There's certain teams BRO that like they just make it really difficult for your D line and shit to get off. And that's that's always the biggest challenge. Like the New England's like, you know, when you're playing New when they're gonna literally do everything they can to try to stop this guy in this guy And like Tennessee's like that too. I know Rabels come from the Patriot the Patriot way too, So like I sit there and hear mcdaniels's like, okay, Bosa right here. Every single time we're gonna slid, we're gonna boom, we're gonna And I already know going into the week, like I'm playing Bill Belichick, he's gonna try to fuck me up every play. In Tennessee, I know Vrabel's not gonna let me just go and try to wreck the game. And that's I feel like that's as years have gone on, like that's been a you know, like in my game, like having to evolve, you have to truly like you have to truly be on it every single play because they're bringing more than one more than more than less.

00:29:37
Speaker 2: It's got to be a hell of a compliment though. Yeah, yeah, they're slide to me and chipping me. It's yeah, it's gotta feel good.

00:29:43
Speaker 4: No, it's awesome, But at the same time, it's very frustrating. Like that's that's like I feel like the biggest part, Like in the past, like last year, like I was getting in my head because I wasn't getting like I was getting a shipload of pressures, but I wasn't getting home. Like there was like a stretch right, like had six games in a row where I didn't have a sack. I was rushing my best, but I wasn't getting home for some reason, And like that's the thing as a rusher that's so difficult.

00:30:06
Speaker 3: Like there's no play called for you.

00:30:08
Speaker 4: You have to go earn every single stat every play, every sack, every TfL.

00:30:12
Speaker 3: So like that's the challenge.

00:30:13
Speaker 4: And like people from the outside world, if you're not getting sacks as a rusher, like they think you're you're like not balling, you know what I mean.

00:30:20
Speaker 3: Like Chandler was balling and people were.

00:30:22
Speaker 4: On his head because his sack numbers were low, and like you feel like Chandler was the same guy last year that I was calling, like, bro, like I don't know why I can't get a fucking sack and he's helping me out. So like having Chan here this year, like I was getting a lot of sacks and Chan was, you know, going through it a little bit, and like being able to be there for him is like it's like crazy, bro, it goes full circle because like Chan is a dude. I looked up two forever. He's one hundred plus sacks and he's in year eleven and he's like going through it, and it's like it's tough because it just shows like as a rusher, like this shit is really difficult and you have to appreciate every single stat and everything you get because like you could rush great for the whole game, but they could just be getting rid of the ball. They could be you know what I mean. It's just that's the tough part about it. But that's also like the beauty in it when there's a reason why sacks are like a big thing, because it's not everything's got to go right. They got to hold the ball, the cover's got to be on point, everything's got to be you know, on point for you to get home. So Chandler, Oh yeah, yeah, I forgot Yeah, I forgot I forgot you. Chan is a fucking dog, but I love as a human being. The dude is one of the coolest dudes. Man.

00:31:32
Speaker 2: When I was playing him in twenty twenty one, he had like four sacks that day, I gave up two of them, and there was like the end of the game. At that point in the game, I was at such a low point. I was like, I just need to get the fuck out.

00:31:43
Speaker 3: Of here in regroup somehow. And he like rushed me and he went.

00:31:46
Speaker 2: To pull away, and I had his chain and I tore it off, and he's like, oh man, now I'm really mad.

00:31:51
Speaker 3: Now I'm really coming.

00:31:52
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, I like walking back to the huddle, like you have four sacks, You're all right, Like just relax, just relax for the That was the lowest football moment. But look he even before I got hurt, I never played him well. He always played really well against me. Like my second year I played him, he was at the Patriots and like the first third down, dude, he takes me back to the quarterback strip sack fumble return for a touchdown. That's how the game started. First series.

00:32:18
Speaker 5: Well do you think he's always done so well? Like what do you feel like makes him like he's.

00:32:22
Speaker 2: I don't I think like if I were to play, if I were to play him again, I would I would vary up my sets more. He's so long and he does a good job, like it looks like he's always on a step cadence like one two bowl one two three, like turn those shoulders. And he's really long too, so short corners are not good against him, Like if you get him too like nine and a half, he's got that capability to reach with the far arms and get that quarter of that ball out. So it's like he's got enough speed to where like I gotta respect this, but also he can turn in power also and then dudes that and I can't remember if you play like this or not, but like he doesn't necessarily like play like sound run defense, like so you like when you're trying to shoot off the ball like we do a Tennessee, he goes inside like he can jump around, like if he has that kind of freedom, like that's an easy way to like second guess yourself. And he he's, uh, he's always been He's always played me well I think of all the players, like he's been a guy that's always kind of have my number.

00:33:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, even before getting hurt. He's stud.

00:33:22
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's always Got. There's always those guys in the league. Every year you're like, okay, I know this about it. This one day he's about to be Yeah, like I gotta be on my ship and that's yeah. Chandler's just bro. He's just unique. Like how he explained, he's got. He's not fast, but he's got. He's not fast, and he'll tell you that he knows he's not, but he's just he's so long and he's so like he's just a different athlete's like his brother, Like they're so long but they're not fast and they probably they can't jump high, but they're like freak athletes.

00:33:50
Speaker 3: I don't even know how to explain it.

00:33:53
Speaker 2: There, but like he's the game film is way different than what you see, like combine numbers.

00:33:57
Speaker 3: Would be exactly. He just he's just a unique, unique player.

00:34:00
Speaker 6: Bro.

00:34:00
Speaker 4: He was born to play football, dud dudes, stud you.

00:34:03
Speaker 3: Met his brother, no, I haven't. No, I heard he's gonna fight again.

00:34:06
Speaker 5: Right, He's got He's got to brothers Arthur Smith, he played in the league too.

00:34:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole family. Whole family and the Yeah it's Arthur, that's the coach of the Falcons.

00:34:16
Speaker 3: But uh, I who last name is John? Arthur Jones?

00:34:20
Speaker 5: Arthur Jones. I don't know why you said Smith, Yeah, because he was my teammate, Arthur Smith and the brothers, right.

00:34:32
Speaker 4: Like that's not even the same now, I don't think that's the same.

00:34:36
Speaker 3: Is he is he an athlete as well? He was, he was he won a Super Bowl in Baltimore And oh I didn't know that. Yeah, he's the oldest though.

00:34:43
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's the oldest as long as a career. But like that whole family is just a breeding.

00:34:47
Speaker 3: Brothers in the NFL.

00:34:49
Speaker 4: That's that's ridiculous. Yeah, No, he's a stud man.

00:34:52
Speaker 3: And you're right, he's like an anomaly. Like you look at him.

00:34:55
Speaker 2: He's got like the size like you like you look like he must have a or torso as well, how long his arms are long toist. But like he legit like does like incredibly wacky, very unorthodox, extremely unorthodox Russia.

00:35:10
Speaker 3: But he just he does well.

00:35:12
Speaker 5: You mentioned earlier about the Patriot Way. What was it like playing for coach McDaniels, what's it been like playing for coach McDaniels transitioning from coach Pisacia last year. Obviously you guys are super close. Pisatchia is a legend things, but then you coach McDaniels comes in. What's it been like playing for coach McDaniels.

00:35:28
Speaker 3: Honestly, my experience has been great.

00:35:30
Speaker 4: You know. I feel like every time you get a new coach in there's new expectations, and I feel like it definitely takes time to adjust, you know, as a whole. Like if you're halfway in, halfway out, you're not going to last. And in the way he coaches, like he has a very specific way that he wants things to be done. He's all about work ethic, all about doing the extra mile. Like that's how he approaches it. And I like, like we talked about off camera, like me and him, we've had a great relationship. Was here the dude, That's how I think when it comes to training and stuff, I'm always doing extra So it's nothing new to me when it comes to that.

00:36:07
Speaker 3: But like I said, if you're a guy that's you know.

00:36:10
Speaker 4: The normal NFL guy, you're not They're not training all off season you know what I mean, it's just that they're doing it there. It's like it's hardest. It's not like a normal NFL team, Like it's just it's a different.

00:36:21
Speaker 5: Time about the way the way he runs the operation.

00:36:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, just the operation.

00:36:25
Speaker 4: Like we're really working, bro, Like even during the season, like we're we're in pads like late in the season, and yeah, there's some tough days, but like that's just that's what it is, like, you know what I mean. You can bitch and complain about it, or you can show up and fucking improve and get better. And especially in our situation, like, bro, we're six and eleven, but like we lost. We were in every single game basically besides New Orleans, Like we lost every game by like less than a touchdown. So we're right there, and that's the probably the hardest part about it is like, fuck, we're right there. But we have great building blocks on this team. You know, we have Davante, we have Josh Jacas, we have a ton of guys. It's just we're not there yet. But I feel like we're definitely like on our way, like it if things go our way, you know what I mean. This year, like we could have easily been a double dy. We could have won ten games easily, but that's not the reality. Should then you know, last year we won every single close game, and that's the toughest thing about it. It's like you can either either overthink it and you know, dwell on it and bitch about it. But we went six and eleven. That's our record. It's fucking it's not acceptable. But I feel like Josh is a as a coach. He's done a really good job for sure, go.

00:37:32
Speaker 2: Ahead, No, he just seems like a yeah, because this is like this is not meant to be a shot. This is just like an observation. Like the Raiders like really underperformed for base on, Like you guys have an incredible amount of talent on that team. Yeah, and so how do you obviously without overthinking it, what are the little things here and there that you guys lose by losing by seven you can now win by three?

00:37:52
Speaker 3: Like what are those little changes?

00:37:54
Speaker 4: I think you know, I've talked about this already, but it's like for me, it's the standard, like holding guys to.

00:38:04
Speaker 3: There has to be a standard set. They can't just be you show up.

00:38:08
Speaker 4: The practice, you do the plays, we're not going over, We're not sitting here and you know, you should watch the film and everybody should be greated.

00:38:16
Speaker 3: You know, are we really running to the ball?

00:38:19
Speaker 4: Like little shit like that I feel And that's just how I have an old school mindset when it comes at like just the little details of running to the ball loafs like the ship we talk about, Like that's that's what I think is the difference, you know, at the end of the day, like if the standard is not set in the off season and OTAs and shit like that is never You're never going to go on the field and everybody's gonna be on the same page.

00:38:41
Speaker 3: It's just not reality.

00:38:43
Speaker 4: And that's where I feel like, you know, last year or the year before, like when you were there, like that's we got to that point at the end of the year, like everybody was playing for each other and that's a new thing, like and it's not like it's McDaniel's fault or anything.

00:38:55
Speaker 3: Like everything's new.

00:38:56
Speaker 4: So it does take time, and that's you know something as a leader, like that's what I feel like I need to, you know, take another step, you know, as a leader and being a captain, like that's something I'm really focused on is building, you know, bringing up the other guys, the guys that really want to be you know, really want to be great and be a difference maker, not just another guy on the roster to fill out a spot.

00:39:14
Speaker 3: Like that's that's what we need.

00:39:16
Speaker 4: You know. I feel like, like you said, we have the talent in big spots, but like we do have a lot of things we got to improve on. Like, you know, our d line wasn't good enough. Our our defense in general wasn't good enough as a whole, Like it wasn't We did not play the what I you know, believe the standard should be. You know, we played, We rushed a lot better the year before, we covered better. You know, there's there's little things that we got to improve on. So you know, that's and it's a it's a group effort. You know, it's got to take everybody, and you know, I feel like we're definitely going in that direction. The second half of the season, we played a lot better on defense. But that's just a tough part about it. You can go back and forth, and you know, we lost close games, but like either way, we lost, like and that's at the end of the day. Six and eleven six and eleven is fucking terrible. So yeah, you know, I believe in them. I believe that. You know, we're gonna keep building out the roster and a lot of key spots and you know, just keep going in the right direction. But the main thing for me is a standard. Bro Like, we have to have a standard and there can't be guys that are halfway in a halfway out, because you know how it is, you have fucking nine guys on the same page and two or halfway out, the door is never gonna work.

00:40:21
Speaker 5: Yeah, do you feel like do you feel like that's what it was? The standard wasn't held the entire year because a lot of the talks and the headlines and the conversations was, you know, last year we ended up winning like the last five games, and then you go in you think you're gonna build off you have a new regime coming. Of course it does take time, but then put in the year that you guys did put together. You keep alluding to the standard and everything else and half in, half out. Do you feel like it was upholding that standard?

00:40:46
Speaker 4: If you when you do look at it, Yeah, I feel and like you said, like we talked about it's not easy. You know, the way, the way of you know how coach McDaniels does it is not easy. We're working hard, like, Bro, we're in training camp. It's fucking one hundred degrees out on the field, Like we're not practicing at seven in the morning, Like we're practicing like ten like that. Shit, it's hot, bro, Like people are dying and then we're running gassers at the end.

00:41:11
Speaker 3: Like it's not a joke. That heat, Bro, real heat.

00:41:15
Speaker 4: And so that's my point, like as a player, like I pride myself on my routine about doing it every day no matter if I'm in a bad mood, if I'm feeling like shit, like showing up and trying to improve regardless of how I feel. And I feel like we didn't have enough of that this year, just we didn't sustain it for a whole season. Like you can do it in camp, you can do it in OTAs for the first couple of months, but it's like we need a bunch of guys who were down or are willing to sacrifice the whole year and beyond beyond point. And you know that's you know, that's just a part of it where you know, I feel like we're going to bring in more guys that are like minded, and you know, I just I'm trusting it.

00:41:52
Speaker 3: You know, I'm just not my control.

00:41:54
Speaker 4: I'm just you know, I just want to be a leader, you know, That's that's my mangal, lead the guys, bring up younger guys and showing the way.

00:42:01
Speaker 2: So when you're saying, like, I have a standard for myself that I said every day whether I feel like shit or I feel good, like when you feel like shit and you don't want to do it, because I feel like a lot of people are gonna hear that and.

00:42:12
Speaker 3: Be like I do. Everyone goes through the same thing.

00:42:14
Speaker 2: Everyone's got motivation week one, and now all of a sudden, it's week ten.

00:42:18
Speaker 3: You're like, oh man, I really don't want to get up and go do it again.

00:42:20
Speaker 2: Like what are the things that you tell yourself when you're working through that process? Like you wake up in the morning, you're sore, it's Wednesday, you know you're going into pads. You know it's week twelve, Like how do you make sure not only you sit that ctander for yourself, but as a leader, Like you're saying said that.

00:42:35
Speaker 4: For everybody else, yeah, you know, the main thing for me is just it's that foundation. Like if you don't have a solid foundation going into the season, like if there's little cracks in it, that shit, the whole house is going to come down by you know, halfway through the year. And that's like my main thing. I'm a very like I have an addictive personality, you know what I mean, I've an addict at the end of the day, So like I use it to my as a superpower nowadays. Like there's certain shit, like every single day I'm doing the same thing like normantaic stretch every every night before I go to bed, like cold tub hots up every single day. I'm you know, there's certain things I have to do, my meal prep everything, so like even when I'm feeling like shit, I have to like every morning, I know I have to do it. Like it's an agreement I have with myself once a season ends, Like and that's something I'm doing right now, trying to figure out, Okay, what can I do better?

00:43:26
Speaker 3: How am I going to be better next year?

00:43:28
Speaker 4: What am I Like There's certain things that I write down, like I'm not breaking this, like there's no there's no conversation with myself in my head no matter how fucking bad I feel. So I feel like it's just, you know, the main thing is just being mentally you know, obviously you got to be mentally strong, but you have to just make agreements with yourself, like I'm not fucking breaking this and we'll see what happens. If it goes great, if I play great whatever, like that's amazing that comes with it. But like if I don't play up to the level I expect, like I know I did everything trying to do that, so I'm not gonna feel like a piece of shit, like.

00:43:58
Speaker 5: I write, statistically the members might not be there.

00:44:00
Speaker 4: But knowing, yeah, if I put everything I have in it, bro, i can't feel bad about it.

00:44:04
Speaker 3: So but obviously that's not the case.

00:44:06
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like and just trusting it. So like that's what I always try to tell the young guys. It's like, like my thing this pass off season, like what can I do better as far as going into training, Like the weird little difference I made, like I was going in at eight am and going to train. My agreement with myself this pass off season was I'm going to be in the building by six, no later every morning six am Monday through Friday, and that's fucked.

00:44:28
Speaker 3: That's not easy in the office, especially Fridays when you get to go in later.

00:44:32
Speaker 4: Fuck yeah yeah. And this is I'm talking February March when there's no I don't have to be there technically, like this is all off season, and I did that. So once the season got there, like that was like a boom. I checked that off.

00:44:43
Speaker 3: I did that. Like that's for me.

00:44:45
Speaker 4: That's where I get my confidence from. It's a little shit that like nobody, nobody's telling me I got to do this. It's little shit that like it's challenging as fucking the off season when I could sit here and sleep and get relaxed till eight am, you know what I mean. But I'm getting up at five point fifteen and I'm going and going and working out when there's nobody.

00:45:02
Speaker 3: In that bitch.

00:45:03
Speaker 4: That's kind of what I you know, that's just one thing, but that's how I pride myself. Is just like set in the standard boom. This is what I'm doing, regardless of the situation, no matter how I feel. I'm getting the fuck out of bed and I'm doing this, And that's that's where where all my confidence comes from and that's how I try to push the guys around me, because I'm not like a big hoorah guy. I'm not gonna stand there this movie fucking gotta do blah blah blah. Like I'll speak when I have to, but like as a leader, like I feel like at the end of the day, the true leaders, like they show they show that shit every single day and that comes to practice the weight room. Like that's how I try to carry myself and pride myself on because if you go and ask any guy in the locker room, or ask Dave and as Dave when you get there, you get ask fucking coach McDaniels.

00:45:44
Speaker 3: Like they can say whatever.

00:45:46
Speaker 4: You know, I might be a dick sometimes I might whatever, but yeah, red breadbeard everything, you know what I mean, super white. But at the end of the day, they can never say I don't work harder than anybody in that building.

00:45:59
Speaker 3: That's what I myself on. That's no negotiables. Is like massive, a massive thing that people need to have.

00:46:06
Speaker 4: It's huge. Bro It my whole life changed.

00:46:08
Speaker 3: It changes it.

00:46:09
Speaker 4: Two years ago when I got that surgery, bro I started doing that. It's changed my whole life it definitely. It definitely shows and that's like me being there. You are literally there doing your ship every day.

00:46:22
Speaker 5: When you talk about the standard, not that you have to get out of character and get out of personality with it, but do you feel like approaching this next year, maybe you do speak up a little bit more to kind of uphold that standard because you are a guy who's earned your stripes in the league now, like everybody knows the stuff, and you're talking about your routine every day now, right, so people know about that and understand that you know how you come correct every day. Do you feel like you need to speak up a little more to feel more of that leadership role to uphold that standard that you were alluding to earlier.

00:46:51
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like I look, I evaluate everything from my leadership to my play, to my just my attitude, my presence, like everything. I really sit down and break down what can I do better here? And I feel like that's with anything, you know I could there's always room for improvement as a leader. But I feel like, you know, my third year when you were there, we beat the Chargers the last game, like that was my first year of being a captain, and I've never been a captain my whole life, like, so that was my first time really being voted a captain. So it was like I was learning a lot, you know what I mean, and that being in that leadership role. But it was it was different. It was a lot easier when I had a bunch of guys who thought like me, like Quentin Jefferson, Solomon Thomas, Yannick. Like they're all like all of them are fucking yeah like that. Yeah, they're like they're all kind of crazy in their own way, but like that's how I am. So like I really didn't have to push, you know what I mean. We're all like they've seen how I work. There. There wasn't negotiables there with me. After the work, you know what I mean, after practice running with me, I had a full squad. Yeah, Like I wasn't having a pull, motherfuckers.

00:47:55
Speaker 3: That's what I feel like. This year it was different.

00:47:57
Speaker 4: You know, it's a lot different because I whole new team basically, Yeah, a lot of younger guys, a lot of guys coming from other teams, practice squads, and boom they're playing on Sunday with me. So that's that was the challenge This year is like this dude doesn't fucking even I don't know this guy at all. I just met him two days ago, and now I got to try to.

00:48:13
Speaker 3: Lead him, you know what I mean.

00:48:14
Speaker 4: Like that was the biggest challenge this year is there was a lot of change, a lot of different guys in and out, a ton of injuries, so like it was a big challenge and I feel like overall, it's like the hardest year mentally for me because I feel like I was playing my best ball and I really had a lot of shit that was going on. We were struggling, We're losing a lot of close games. Like there was a lot of moments where I could have just fucking lost, you know, lost my marbles and act out, you know, just fucking lash out. But like I really had to sit there and just internalize a lot of shit and just be grateful for just being in this situation because I could look at it and bitch about it, Oh I don't have you know, I don't have a bunch of pro bowlers playing with me. I don't have this. He has this, and point to other teams, Well, this guy's got that, you know what I mean, Like I could do that, but it's just it does nothing, and it's that's what a fucking do. And for me, it's like, Bro, I trust what I'm doing. I know I'm working like like no other, and I trust in the end it's all going to work out the way it's supposed to if I just continue doing the right shit.

00:49:11
Speaker 3: And like I look at guys like Aaron Donald, Like, Bro, he was in with the Rams.

00:49:15
Speaker 4: They sucked for years and he was the best player in the league, but nobody was really talking about him like how they talk about him now. But over the time he's stuck to the process. He continued to dominate and then by years, what is a year ten? Last year he's in the super Bowl. Biggest moment, everyone fucking sees Aaron Donald. There's no question he's the best, and he goes on the biggest play and fucking wins the Super Bowl. Like that's the shit I think about, Like when I get those moments, yeah, like it's touchdown, bro, and he wins and gets home ballgame, Like that's.

00:49:44
Speaker 3: The type of shit I think about.

00:49:45
Speaker 4: Like I can lose my shit right now and be like, well, the fucking Michael Parson is rushing with DeMarcus Lawrence and fucking you know, he's got other whatever, but that's not you know, that's not what it is. My story is different than everybody. So I just trust that BRO and I continue to just grind, Bro work NonStop, and I trust it's all going to work out the way I supposed.

00:50:03
Speaker 2: So when you first get to the NFL, like, there's a lot of distractions and guys like you you have no money. Then all of a sudden, you have a bunch of money, regardless of where you're drafted, Like it's more money than you've ever had, and that is difficult anywhere you go. But it's I can't imagine what it's like being a rookie or a younger guy and coming to Las Vegas to play for the Raiders, Like, how is that? How are you going to work through that process? Because that stadium, you can see it, you can see the strip and it is a cool place to be.

00:50:33
Speaker 3: It is fun.

00:50:34
Speaker 2: And if you're a young cat with note with all this money, like, how do you keep guys straight during the season when you're not winning all the games you should be winning?

00:50:42
Speaker 3: That's that's a tough question.

00:50:43
Speaker 4: You know, everybody's different, and that's that's the biggest difference When you get to the NFL. It's not like college. You know everybody in college, It's like, yeah, it's a more structure. Everybody's on an even playing ground, nobody's richer than this guy. It's like, this is what it is, you know what I mean? And now you get to the NFL, and if this is any city, you play for New York Giants. Here in New York City, it's there's always gonna be that. Like I was, Bro, I was in Ipsilony, Michigan, and I still found ways to get fucking lit and have fun and do all that shit. So like being in Vegas, obviously it's amplified, but I feel like just having a solid foundation, bro, having good people around you, being around the right people, because there can be there's there's a million people that are gonna pull at you, and hey, I got this for you, Bro, Hey coming to this club, I got you hooked up. And then all of a sudden, two months later, like you owe me twenty thousand dollars from that one day, right, what you know what I mean?

00:51:36
Speaker 3: Fuck? Yeah?

00:51:36
Speaker 4: So like Bro, I just for me, it's just I don't even Bro, I don't even go to the club. I'm chilling all the time. I go to cigar lines. That's the only thing I do.

00:51:44
Speaker 3: So for you, I stay.

00:51:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a different But yeah, for young guys, Bro, it's hard. Like if I was here as a rookie, Bro, I don't even know what the fuck I was.

00:51:53
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like you've been You've been really vocal about your whole process when you first came in the league.

00:51:57
Speaker 3: Imagine if you were in Vegas. I broud be crazy.

00:52:00
Speaker 4: And that's that's the thing, Like I say, like these rookies, I can't sit here and be like stay in your house and do it like, because at the end of the day, bro, gods are gonna go out, especially if you're gouds you're gonna especially if you're singer, You're gonna be out doing whatever you're gonna do.

00:52:11
Speaker 3: It's just about being being smart, bro, Be cautious.

00:52:15
Speaker 4: Don't go out by yourself, don't go out with people you don't know, like you really got to roll with the people you trust, and stay out the bullshit because there's a bunch of bullshit going on, especially at that Or you go out to a nightclub you don't know what the fuck's gonna happen, you know what I mean. Somebody they see you, they know you're an NFL player, You're immediately a target no matter what it is, like they want whatever you got, so and people are willing to lose whatever they have to fucking get what you have. People will rob you and broad daylight, they don't care. And that's just the thing, you know, for the young guys, just knowing who you're around and trust and don't just be out and about like it's normal, you know what I mean, You're not. I think that's the thing I really like. I still have to slap myself because I'll drive and pull up to a gas station by myself and the fucking big chain of I won't even think about it, you know what I mean. And that's that's now like as I gotten older, like I truly have to like slap myself in the face, like I'm not. I can't just roll around and do whatever like normal sometimes because people are crazy. Bro. You see it all the time, guys NFL players go to LA and get fucking their whole shit robbed and taken and they're just going out there to go hang out with family. It's like it's dangerous, bro, especially nowadays, but you see more and more of it all the time.

00:53:25
Speaker 5: H Can you talk about when the switch with Derek Carr was made, how how it impacted you and how you felt like it probably impacted the team in that moment, if at all, because obviously there was a lot of noise outside of the building.

00:53:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of noise, A lot of noise. It's definitely outside the building. It was tough, bro.

00:53:46
Speaker 3: I remember that morning because.

00:53:49
Speaker 5: DC's been the defranchise guy since you've you've came to the Raiders.

00:53:52
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:53:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was a all four years. Is my quarterback is nine years as a starter, which is crazy. It doesn't happen. So, yeah, I'm sitting there, You're hearing rumors like, Okay, is Derek going to get bench this week?

00:54:06
Speaker 3: You know what is going on?

00:54:07
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah, and you're just kind of hearing rumors room. But you know how it is, you don't believe all the shit. You're just like, okay, we'll see and then all of a sudden, like we went in that morning and me and DC are always the first two guys in there, and we sit there and eat breakfast.

00:54:25
Speaker 3: It's like squad is at eight.

00:54:26
Speaker 4: Like, we're in there at six o'clock and we sit there and we eat breakfast together. We talk, We go in the hot tub, I go take a dump, and then he goes and does whatever he does, you know what I mean. So I go in there and DC wasn't there at the breakfast table, and so I asked Angie, who's there?

00:54:43
Speaker 3: She runs the kitchen.

00:54:44
Speaker 4: She's the best. Shout out to Angie's camera. I love you, Angie. She's the best. She always sists with us and watches it and just chops it up with us. And I was like, Angie, where's DC. Have you seen him? She's like, no, he hasn't been in yet, and that's in my hat. I'm like, fuck, you know what I mean? Something went down. So yeah, like an hour later, I'm in my locker. I just got out the hot tub and DC walks in and he's looking at me, and I just knew, like I already, I just knew immediately, and he just whatever.

00:55:16
Speaker 3: He gave me a man hug.

00:55:17
Speaker 4: He's like, bro, I don't want to make it look like I'm, you know, quitting on y'all or anything, but like me and Josh talk like I'm you know, I'm gonna be I'm gonna go home and for these next two weeks and you know, figure out my situation. But it was like that, you know, obviously they had their business behind the scenes and they've had you know, had an agreement, so like it wasn't like he was just like fuck it, I'm not showing up. It was just like, you know, business. So yeah, it was tough. Like DC's my boy, Bro, Like me and DC have been always, you know as friends. Like, Bro, he's a great dude. I love DC and he's gonna, you know, somebody's gonna have him as their starter next year and hopefully I get to play against him and be dope.

00:55:53
Speaker 3: But I wish him the best.

00:55:54
Speaker 4: Bro. It's just it's hard, Like in this league, there's really you know, you can play for a team for ten years, give everything you got, like but unless you're like Michael Jordan or you're Tom Brady. Like even Tom Brady, it's the same thing. Like Bro, he was in year twenty one six Super Bowl and there he ended with a bad relationship and they got rid of you know what I mean, and there was kind of friction, Like it's crazy, Bro, at the end of the day. So it's a business and that's the thing you got to realize. It's not personal. It's not like people don't like DC. Everyone you know, everyone's cool with DC. We love them. But it is what it is. You know, Josh and Dave, they got their visual what they want and you know, that's just part of this business, man, And I trust them. You know, I'm on this team and they're my coaches that at the end of the day, I gotta believe in what they got, you know what I mean, and what they're bringing and what they're doing. But at the same time, it's hard when it's your boy and there's a motion to it, so it's like, damn, what the fuck and then you like you want to get mad, but it's like at the same time, you have to understand both sides of it. And that's kind of what I've learned, you know, being in the league more it's like you can't you can't take shit personally because it's not personal. Bro, It's a billion dollar business and it is what it is.

00:57:02
Speaker 2: Dude, I've been around Derek just like a handful of times. He's like the nicest he seems like the nicest guy. Yeah, focused, kind like charismatic. Good dude, So he's gone, this is the off season. Hypothetically, who do you want to be the quarterback of the Las Vegas Raiders?

00:57:21
Speaker 3: Who do I want? Like, if it was just your world they called you say who you want? You got who you want? You get to play GM, You get to play GM.

00:57:27
Speaker 2: Now this will be taking out of context people like, oh, maximants, this guy wants that guy.

00:57:31
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, perfect world boss. Yeah, fun, hypothetical, fun, hypotheticpathetic. We're just saying we're having a little giggle time. Dude, that is a nice little time. Tom Brady and two dogs, three dogs down.

00:57:45
Speaker 4: One over there, she's sucking.

00:57:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's snucking behind the tom Brady. I would love to have tom Brady.

00:57:53
Speaker 4: How I don't know how that can be controversy, can be tom Brady as a leader, as.

00:58:00
Speaker 3: A fucking player, as the goat. Fuck.

00:58:03
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would love to play with Dom Brady if he can do. If you come to Vegas, Bro, I'll fucking fly. I'll go to wherever he's at to introduce myself. The level of respect I got for him, Bro is out this world. So yeah, I would love to have Tom Brady, but we'll see. I don't I don't know what's gonna happen, but I've I've only met him when I played him two years ago. It was the COVID year and he was on the field. We played in Vegas, empty ass stadium. We come in for pregame, and I always, like early on in my career, would always like kind of walk around the field and it was like a part of my routine in like my full like pregame outfit, like just.

00:58:39
Speaker 3: My my fit.

00:58:40
Speaker 4: And I'm walking by myself, going around and then fucking Brady walks out of the locker room by himself, and I'm like, oh my god, Like I felt it. I felt the aura and uh, I seen him. We didn't say anything to each other at the time. Whatever.

00:58:54
Speaker 3: I was just walking do my thing.

00:58:56
Speaker 4: He's walking, he's just kind of looking around, looking at the stadium, which is in hindsight, it's kind of crazy, you know, it's just plotting out. But yeah, but anyway, so I talked to him after the game. He's you know, obviously he's a great dude. He was super cool. But yeah, bro, I would love obviously, I would love that Tom Brady, he's a goat.

00:59:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, very few people you ever meet in your life had that kind of aura. Yeah, it's definitely. Everyone I've met who has met Tom was like, dude, it's like a glow behind him. It's different.

00:59:26
Speaker 4: Bro.

00:59:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like too handsome.

00:59:29
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like he's had something done.

00:59:33
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's a classic.

00:59:34
Speaker 2: Amount Like there, he doesn't look like he's like you know, my mango botox, like it's it's you know, them teeth a real no.

00:59:41
Speaker 3: But I think he's done a classic amount of work.

00:59:47
Speaker 4: High classic.

00:59:51
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like, what's going down with the cheeks?

00:59:57
Speaker 2: Baby, I'm not gonna do some shit I can't say, but yeah, dude, he does because you look at pictures of him, and I hope on this YouTube right now were flashing a picture of Tom from his year.

01:00:09
Speaker 3: Because my god, he had that rounded out face, no cheek.

01:00:13
Speaker 4: Bones, cheek.

01:00:14
Speaker 5: That's different.

01:00:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, bro, he different now, Jesus bro, he's like forty seven. He's like forty seven, dude, he's not getting young on the do you think he still got it? Sorry?

01:00:24
Speaker 2: I hate to cut you off. I know you probably bere pivoting, but do you think Tom still has it.

01:00:29
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

01:00:29
Speaker 3: I love that.

01:00:30
Speaker 4: I agree with you one hundred absolutely. I hate when people you think so many forties, like mid forty matter. They said that when he was forty. You know, he's forty six. Now look how they got into the playoffs. Bro he was snapping and having comeback games. He threw for four hundred yards just two weeks ago. They had a lot of injuries, Brot.

01:00:47
Speaker 3: They had bro.

01:00:48
Speaker 4: I watched football and Tom could still play. He's their whole line was playing murdered this year. And that's just out of respect. They were.

01:00:56
Speaker 3: I think they were ranked last in the league. Like he was getting hit all the time.

01:00:59
Speaker 4: They had a lot of injuries, their backs were hurt, like they had a lot of ship going on. But it's funny you look back. You see what he did his last year in New England when you all beat him. Everyone said the same thing. Oh he's done, He's he's done, and this is I look at it like and I'm you know, I like to write that little story. It's like, oh, well his last who ras you know, two to three year deal it you know in Las Vegas, it's just come on, let's be real.

01:01:29
Speaker 5: Yeah.

01:01:29
Speaker 3: So we'll see. And he got studs on offense too. He's get a line.

01:01:34
Speaker 4: Our old line was played a lot better than people expected this year.

01:01:38
Speaker 3: That's the really.

01:01:41
Speaker 5: Rush chip on his shoulder.

01:01:42
Speaker 4: DeVante went for over fifteen hundred. We have Colt Miller, one of the best left tackles in the league. We got a lot of bro we got we got a lot of a lot of sod guys for sure.

01:01:51
Speaker 2: Do you think, uh, what do you think Josh Jacob's future is with the Raiders right now because he's about to be a free agent.

01:01:58
Speaker 4: He's free agent. Yeah, so I know for a fact that the coaches love him. Obviously. When they first came they we had three first round picks from my class. It was Cleve, Josh, and John Abram. And before the year they declined all their fifth year options. So everyone's like, oh fuck, they're you know how they are in New England. They don't value the running back. Boom bom boom bom boom. From my perspective, I know Josh like me and Josh have been boys since I got there, and Josh is one of those people that like he need like I feel like he needs that little extra motivation, like oh you don't, Okay, I remember exactly what you said. He's gonna make you look dumb. And that's what I feel like. This year was like everyone is saying, oh, it's new England. They don't you know, they don't value running backs to saying they'll just bring him in. Josh literally was the best running back in the league and this year and he can't even argue it. Every category, yards per carry, broken tackles, for amount of first rounds run like he did everything. And so I'm extreme proud of him, obviously being being one of my boys. But I think he's gonna stay here, bro and no matter. I don't know how that's what that's going to look like if they tag or try to sign an extension, but I think he's one that's one thousand percent earned an extension. Like the dude has been a pro bowler. I think this is third time now in four years. So, like he's the dude is a dog. He's an absolute dog, you know, Josh, he's the ship. He plays too. He's always banged up and.

01:03:25
Speaker 5: He's always about like you know, I remember when we got our assle from the Chiefs. Yeah, and he was so pissed about him fumbling like early in the game, and just like, man on the outside looking in, what do you feel like it is? I'm like, I just fucking guy it like we just got our ass. But he's very much like in it.

01:03:43
Speaker 3: He loves football.

01:03:44
Speaker 5: Yeah, he loves ball.

01:03:45
Speaker 4: That's what I talk about. The guys like that, the Davante's. We need guys that have that mindset, no matter what the talent level. The Deron Harmon's the dude who really loved football. That's what you need the building and Josh is one that guy.

01:03:58
Speaker 5: Uh, going back just for a second on the on the DC situation, was there ever a time where you're like, fuck Mancuz there there is a lot uh uh you know that? Like I think it was a statistic that was out there that the Raiders been ranked like bottom tier defense since he's been a quarterback. Do you like ever sit there you're like, fuck, man, like you put a little bit on yourself. Obviously you ultimately don't or you can't, but you're just like, fuck if we could.

01:04:22
Speaker 3: Have just.

01:04:24
Speaker 4: Honestly, bro, I don't know how to answer that, you know what I mean? Early in his career, like their defense is like bottom defense every year, Like we haven't been the worst of the worst, but we haven't been great.

01:04:36
Speaker 3: But also you just look at it.

01:04:37
Speaker 4: We've had three different decoordinators in the last three years, So, like, I think stability is a big thing as well, and that's something you know, having Pat Graham back next year for the second year, I feel like we're only going to get better.

01:04:49
Speaker 3: And you know, having Josh back, Like everybody, if it.

01:04:52
Speaker 4: Immediately doesn't work, they're like, fucking fire everyone vote. That's that's the outside world, and that's just you know, that's natural because you see other coaches like Dave Ball comes in, boom giants playoffs already, want to playoff.

01:05:03
Speaker 3: Game, be like, oh fuck, why aren't we doing that.

01:05:05
Speaker 5: Josh automatically gets compared to.

01:05:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, immediately compared. But every situation is different, and so you know, it is what it is. You know, as from the fans perspective, it's like, what the fuck fucked him?

01:05:16
Speaker 3: We're firing them.

01:05:17
Speaker 4: That's how they think about every coach if you don't succeed right away. But you know, I feel like Josh is doing the right thing. It's just gonna take time, for sure, And I feel like we're you know, we're going in the right direction.

01:05:29
Speaker 5: Are you the Were you the biggest Pro Bowl snub in the league?

01:05:33
Speaker 4: I made the Pro Bowl or a Pro a Pro?

01:05:42
Speaker 5: Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on? Were you the biggest All Pro snub in the league. That's not me to decide, but you're a competitive motherfucker.

01:05:52
Speaker 3: No, it's that ship.

01:05:55
Speaker 5: I saw vocalize it a little bit or enough to be like, hey, this is a receipt.

01:05:59
Speaker 4: I'm yeah, for sure, but it's it's like anything else. Bro, when I look at it, you know, you have this own story in your head. Boom, this is how it's gonna go. I want this, I want this. I'm gonna get this like this year.

01:06:10
Speaker 6: Bro.

01:06:11
Speaker 4: If I look at like, I made All Pro last year, I was second team All Pro, had eight sacks, but I had one hundred plus pressure boom whatever. And that was like, you know, from the outside world, ever was like, Oh, it's a fucking flash in the pan. He's just doing it because it was a contract. He needed to get a contract. Like I heard that shit all off season, Like okay, it was like this big storybook. Max told everybody about his sobriety story, Like it was just like people that's everyone had like, oh, it's just too good to be true.

01:06:35
Speaker 3: That was his year.

01:06:36
Speaker 4: But like people, I feel like people in the outside world didn't truly respect me like fully as like a Miles Garrett or TJ. Watts, cause you know, they're all first round picks, they're all top ten guys, they're all consistently ballers. Like so for me going into this year, like my attitude was like fuck that, Like I'm I'm that guy, Like I'm gonna be that guy I'm gonna be because I'm always compared ever sus Khalil mac left. Like everyone talks about how the Raiders been missing a pass rusher, missing Kalil mac We haven't recovered from Khalil mac leven. And that's like something I take super serious, bro like and I take offense, like I take offense to that shit, like but in a good way. I let he use his motivation and so like in my storybook, like I have a lot of things that I want to do and going into this year, like all right, how am I gonna do better? How am I gonna do better than second team All Pro? Okay, I want to be first team All Pro.

01:07:25
Speaker 3: I want to do.

01:07:26
Speaker 4: There's a lot of things, but I'm not like a big like number. I don't I don't put a number on anything like I'm gonna get this amount of sacks, this amount of blah blah blah. For me, it's like I'm gonna fucking improve. Well whatever that looks like, I'm gonna improve as a player and take it to another take a whole another step. And I've just from a film perspective, from a stat perspective, I did that and literally every fast I have more Bro. I led the team in tackles as a d N. I have fucking eighty nine tackles. Like I had twenty two TFLs. I led the league. I had twelve and a half sacks, was like tied six. I've pressures. I was top three in the league, like every category, Like I took big strides. And for me, in my head, like my perfect story is boom, I'm a start in the Pro Bowl again.

01:08:10
Speaker 3: I got that.

01:08:11
Speaker 4: The last thing was all pro and I'm waiting. I'm like boom, I can't wait. But then all of a sudden, I look at the list, I'm like what and like I was shook, Bro, Like I was hurt, like you know what I mean deep down like that that shit hurt my pride.

01:08:25
Speaker 3: I'm like, what the fuck? I got better? Bro? I know I got better, and I didn't make it.

01:08:31
Speaker 4: And that's like, that's the thing, and if my perspective in my world, like I wanted, that was the final thing that I fucking wanted on this season. You know, we didn't make the playoffs. I knew weren't making the playoffs, like just from my personal goals.

01:08:43
Speaker 3: And then I didn't get that.

01:08:45
Speaker 4: And I'm like, all right, motherfuckers, Like the season went great, but I'm not doing enough. That's just the way I took it. And I know I got back forgot yeah, But at the same time I forgot it like bro, like.

01:08:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I know I got better. My goal was to get better.

01:09:02
Speaker 4: I did, bro everything in my power all fucking off season, every I did everything right, and then that was the last thing that I wanted and boom, I didn't get it. And so for me, I could sit there and bitch and go on Twitter. Fuck that is bullshit. You know. You see guys all the time bitching about the show. You see just a couple of games ago, when fucking dude had a meltdown and blaming the refs, and I see dudes blaming all fucking old lineman hold all the time, refs, don't call it like I'll.

01:09:29
Speaker 3: Never be that guy.

01:09:29
Speaker 4: Bro, I think that's you know, shit like that is so weak to me, Like you're gonna get held, like I'm I know I get held all the time. You watch the Rams last drive against us, but I was getting literally tackled. But I'm not gonna go and double down and go look like a little fucking cry baby. You know what I mean, That's not me. So at the end of the day, like the last thing I wanted was to get that all pro But I know, at the end of the day, like I'm gonna look back next year when I do everything I'd set out to do and be like, yeah, this shit was for a reason. God needed that little That little thing is gonna fucking push me to do that extra little wrap, the extra little ship.

01:10:05
Speaker 3: And it is what it is, like that ship pisses me, like it really hurt me.

01:10:09
Speaker 4: But hey, don't you like that?

01:10:12
Speaker 7: You know that's kind of not for me to like, hey, come on now, he's like, man, I fucking bro, that ship yeah, like that ship, dude, No, like I did, I get it.

01:10:23
Speaker 4: It is what it is, and I can't do anything like in my young self, like I thought the same thing, like my rookie when I was going my rookie year, like I thought I was gonna win Rookie of the Year. I thought I should have won it. I didn't, and but that helped me the next year. Like it's always something that every player needs, that little extra motivation and like I can't control that. But at the end of the day, bro, I know, like it's all gonna pay off, Like it's all gonna I don't need to force it and talk on Twitter and do all this extra ship and complain.

01:10:53
Speaker 3: And what is that gonna do for me?

01:10:55
Speaker 4: Bro? It's gonna make me look like an ass if I go next year and don't play as well, you know what I mean. Like I'm to do everything I can to be better than I was this year, and that's that's what's gonna push me. So yeah, it does what it is.

01:11:05
Speaker 3: What is it?

01:11:06
Speaker 2: So if you're looking at it now like I was snubbed, that pissed you off, I think I gotta work hard and do what were things little minor critiques you make to your off season training regiment that might get you that all pro.

01:11:20
Speaker 4: I honestly, I think that that's something I'm looking at right now before I start training again. Before I start training again. I do it every year, especially these last two years.

01:11:30
Speaker 3: Is you train here? Yeah? I train in Vegas?

01:11:32
Speaker 5: Yeah?

01:11:33
Speaker 3: Do you train the facility? So yeah, that's something I'm evaluating right now.

01:11:38
Speaker 5: He's like, he hears my mouth in the microphone.

01:11:46
Speaker 3: Dude, we'll bro anytime someone goes and starts talking. He opens his mouth like that.

01:11:51
Speaker 5: Well, the ship's going on up up up up top.

01:11:54
Speaker 3: He's juicing me. You live together.

01:11:56
Speaker 5: I like com you know what I mean. I'm just like, it's just me taking in. I guess I can't fucking.

01:12:01
Speaker 3: Hell you say you say.

01:12:06
Speaker 5: Got me wrong?

01:12:07
Speaker 3: I'm up? You got was like a hyper deal right there. Somebody needs to cut that and.

01:12:12
Speaker 2: Put a bunch of music behind it, Spartan music. Yeah, it's like drake, Dude, did somebody tell me I fell off?

01:12:19
Speaker 6: Oh?

01:12:19
Speaker 3: I needed that? Yeah? I needed it.

01:12:21
Speaker 4: But that's yeah for me, Like my routine, that's something I'm gonna breakdown. Like I've already talked to the strength staff the nutrition is we've already sat down and boom, we're gonna this is what We're gonna do a little adjustments where I.

01:12:32
Speaker 3: Can, you know, improve on.

01:12:34
Speaker 4: But it's it's not the work ethic part of it, bro, I put in I know I worked fucking extremely hard.

01:12:42
Speaker 3: It's just about how can I make it a little bit better? What can I do a little bit smarter?

01:12:46
Speaker 4: A little shit like that, And so that like this second year, like going into my third year, there was a lot of big adjustments I had to make and I felt like I took another big step, like I added boxing into my off days instead of just doing strictly tubs and chilling at an hour boxing and in that so there's something you know, there's always gonna be little shit like I'm sorry, I'm gonna add yoga this offseason, like just adding little shit, but I you know, I don't know everything yet, but just try to take that take that next big step because I know in this league, bro, like if the biggest thing is the guys that continue to do it, and you know this fucking well being a pro Bowl doing it over and over, like do you either get worse or you get better? And like there's no in between. You don't just stay the same you don't. Like for me, it's I can't, Like I can't even I don't even know what life will look like just in my brain if I didn't do all the things I was doing now, Like if I could just chill this offseason, like a lot of guys do it, They're fucking chilling and and just take a step back, Like I can't even sit, Like I have to take this time off to just let my body rest. But I'm still meal prepping, stretching, norma, taking every day like I have to do it for my own sanity. So like that's that's what it is for me, bro, just taking that next step. I'm fucking like obsessed with the process because I know where I want to go and I can't do it any other way. So I'm just fine tuning everything. Well, you know, we'll see what we'll be got on the agenda this offseason.

01:14:11
Speaker 3: The addiction becoming a superpower. Oh yeah, this is an outstanding first impression for me with you.

01:14:18
Speaker 6: I'm very impressed.

01:14:19
Speaker 5: I'm glad you guys are finally You'm glad you guys are finally meeting too. I'm like Damn, I thought, I guess you guys haven't met it.

01:14:26
Speaker 2: It's just crazy because when I literally when I saw you, we were waiting for us outside, which is very kind of you, by the way, to wait for us when we were pulling up, like, oh, there's the boy. Like I feel, I literally feel like we've met before hung out. So this has been and it's cool to see your mindset because you've got it, Bud.

01:14:43
Speaker 3: I appreciate it about it everything but being white, like everything's going for you, it means a lot.

01:14:48
Speaker 5: Bro Taylor knows when I when I got to Oakland and my boy checked in on me after my first day in school with the Raiders, and I was like, hey, somebody on the squad is like a fan of busting with the boys. I was like, his max across me. You weren't who you are now, but it was like, I don't know, And now looking back, that's fucking cool.

01:15:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was crazy. That's crazy.

01:15:07
Speaker 5: When you hey, you're like he's like telling somebody, goes, no, this man is famous. I'm just kind of sitting there like nervous, you know, first day, in the first day, Oh yeah, there's somebody he's like, he's like now I'll rock with busting with the boys. I'm like, Yo, let's fucking go.

01:15:21
Speaker 2: That's a hilarious contrast to you going up the will being like half fuck with you guys, and then Richie Incognita being like, oh I do busting with the bully, just bullying fucking bully me, Billiam, How what was I like playing with that Richie?

01:15:34
Speaker 4: Shit? I love Richie. He is one of my favorite teammates I've ever had. The dude is he like it's you talk about work ethic, That motherfucker works, bro, And like takes the way he took care of his body, how massive he is and playing fifteen years white body bro fucking soundtrack.

01:15:50
Speaker 3: Bro.

01:15:50
Speaker 4: And he looks like he's sixteen years old in the face, no stretch, Like he just the dude is different and he's been through a lot of ship and like just being around on him and getting to, you know, become closer with him, Like he was truly one of the best team teammates I had, like take me under the wing like type of dude, Like.

01:16:08
Speaker 3: He was exactly that guy.

01:16:09
Speaker 4: Like for some reason when I first got there, like we practiced, you know, we start practicing doing ota together and like we started to like become boys because I'm fucked up in the head like he is. Like I'm practicing hard as fuck. Like we're not even in pads, and you know, I'm a rookie. I'm just trying to make an impression and like I'm flying around the field. And for some reason, like Richie obviously is he pay He's paying attention a little bit seeing how I do shit, and like he just we immediately clicked because he respected it, just how I did shit. And ever since then, Bro, we became boys. And I still like when he retired, I went up and seen him, like on his retirement and like me and him always, you know, been really cool. And he goes to all the freaking games. I'll be on the sideline about to walk, the game's about to start. He'll be in there in a polo, just fucking grab me, give me a biggest hug in the planet, fucking throw my rib out because he squeezes the life out of me. But he's yeah, I fucking I can go on and on about Richie bros. He's a loyal die hard, just like real real bro.

01:17:04
Speaker 2: A healthy healthy is one of the best friends to have no, literally, he is an incredible human being.

01:17:10
Speaker 3: Absolutely what a.

01:17:11
Speaker 5: Massive fucking dog.

01:17:13
Speaker 3: He's a big boy.

01:17:14
Speaker 5: No, he stood up and everybody can see him to everybody's like, holy shit. He literally he like, take my life any second you wanted. Max. I like, I came in the house before I came in the house, and Max is like, hey, just walk straight, don't really don't look down at don't make any facial expressions. And I'm just kind of like walking the house and Max just starts. He's like, you know, he's not gonna do nothing, but he watched the wires.

01:17:35
Speaker 4: Watch the wires, Dirk Direk, go buddy, He's just gonna he'll be fine. He'll stay on there for like five minutes.

01:17:42
Speaker 5: He was assessing the situation before.

01:17:44
Speaker 3: He came over. He doesn't want to fun it up. Tear talk, Yeah, do we have well, let's take a quick pause talk.

01:17:54
Speaker 5: Yeah all right.

01:17:55
Speaker 2: So for Tier Talk this week, we are going to do best dog breads, and I feel like best and favorite. There's a great line there, because I'm sure you could look up the best dogs and it's probably like an equal out with us.

01:18:06
Speaker 3: We'll say our favorite dog Brits for our tier talk. Yeah, do you want to go first?

01:18:10
Speaker 5: Let me go first. I can go first. My U no honorable mentions. My Tier three is going to be Rottweiler. We had a dog growing up, my parents' first dog before they had me. You know how parents do the trial run, Like, let's do a dog. We can take care of a dog, we can take care of a baby type thing. They had a Rottweiler named Conan after Conne and the Barbarian. They had him trained all the way up to like he could have been like some kind of like the police style training dog, but he would have had to leave for like three months. But a very well trained Rotweiler and so ever since, Like growing up with Conan, it was like I loved Rottweiler's my tier two. What I currently have waffle English bulldogs. They're just so like unique to me, dude, and like you come home, they don't greet you, they stay on the couch. You go in, like you have to go give them love. They kind of just look sad and like, but they love you. The all they want to do is cuddle. Yeah, they got a couple issues, yeah, but all in all, like I love English bulldogs. My buddies would have would have them when I was growing up, and I would go to their house and I love playing with them. And then Rob Rob Deer Deck on the Fantasy Factor and everything when they had that dog and it was skateboard and everything else. I just always thought it was the fucking coolest. Uh my Tier one pit bulls, I know it's I know you love pits as well. I think pit bulls are fucking awesome. Yeah, I used to have. I used to have a pit named Boogie. I named I made my dog Boogie after Levonte David. Levonte David's nickname in college was Boogie little Horny Boy. And so I told I told Boogie, I said, when I get my first dog, it's gonna be a pit, and I'm gonna name them after you. So that's my story about having my pit. Then, you know my girlfriend I broke up out of you know, guilt. You kind of like you can have Yeah, we can, Yeah, we can cut that part out. But piles dud, I think, uh no, no. If you guys hear a baby, that's Max's newborn.

01:20:16
Speaker 3: She's a stud.

01:20:17
Speaker 5: She's trying to get some time in.

01:20:18
Speaker 3: On the pod.

01:20:19
Speaker 5: You gotta respect respect that, but but that's my tear talk. Now, what the rule is you go around the room and everybody gives a one word answer on how they feel like your tear talk wing kind of like a judgment thing.

01:20:33
Speaker 4: Okay, I'll let's tell you start this diseased Jesus not a fan of pits? Magnificent?

01:20:50
Speaker 5: What would your word be? I'll go ahead and echo it, swol Mitch almost you want to go, you want me to go next, I'll.

01:20:59
Speaker 3: Go all right. Tier three.

01:21:03
Speaker 4: I'm gonna start off little curveball. You know, the only dogs I've ever had are pits. My parents they own little, yappy little fuckers. I love them, but I never claimed them. I'm gonna start Tier three with Doberman's, and the reason why is because they're excellent athletes. They're fucking terrifying, and there's something about them. Every time I see a Doberman, you get a little like you don't know what's gonna kill me? Is he gonna kill me?

01:21:34
Speaker 3: Or is he like?

01:21:35
Speaker 4: I want this dude by my side. So every time I see a Doberman, I just have a level of respect for the dog that I felt like it needed to make the list because you know they're not loved one enough, I feel like, and they're feared in a way, but I respect them. Tier two, I'm gonna have to go with rod Wilers. My teammates in college, a ton of them had Rod Wiler's Cleeve Ferrell. He's got a Roth Wiler, a great dog, super loyal, big ass teddy bears. But if they need to get the job done, they'll get the job done. So I respect the shit out of them as well. But Number one unanimous decision pit bulls. I got three best dogs on the planet. They're loving, they're loyal as fuck, but they will take you down if you cross the line. And that's the thing with them. My big guy, he's an actually he's two pit bulls in one.

01:22:30
Speaker 5: But is he knows like an XL.

01:22:32
Speaker 3: He's an XL bully, So he's a.

01:22:34
Speaker 4: Pit and an American bulldog kit mixes. Yeah.

01:22:38
Speaker 3: So yeah.

01:22:41
Speaker 4: The thing with pitts bro like they're super loyal, but they're big babies at the end of the day, Like if they love you, they're gonna just lay out like they act like they're a human in the house. And uh, every time I come home, there's the response is always the same. So I respect their consistency. I expect that they got the grit and they they're dangerous enough where people, you know, have a little bit of fear when they try to cross the line, but they'll always be there for you. So big shout out to pipples all around the world. Gritty Yes, I love that. JPO. Yeah dominant from JP Mitch tough Alpha. Just speaking of dude, I wish the camera can catch that.

01:23:29
Speaker 5: Look at that man.

01:23:30
Speaker 3: You sure rob this place and come here, dirt, dirt, dirt here, all right.

01:23:36
Speaker 4: Here he comes. That was the most Dan Campbell for answers I've ever heard of my life. Yeah, grit, tough, chevy t.

01:23:46
Speaker 3: Should you said, Dan Campbell, we could have said, all right, my tier talk.

01:23:58
Speaker 4: Bro.

01:23:59
Speaker 3: He just walks loud.

01:24:00
Speaker 4: He's heavy.

01:24:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, all three of my tiers are pitbulls. Okay, let's see my tier three. I grew up on a ranch in Arizona. Every cowboy had this dog, and it was the Blue Healer.

01:24:15
Speaker 3: Those dogs would work cows, they'd work with horses, they'd work with sheep. They do the job that need to get done.

01:24:21
Speaker 2: The reason why they're not higher on my list is because they are rambunctious, energetic, and if they're not trained properly, they will absolutely ankle by any visitor at all times. I love the way they look, I love the way they get after it, and they're hard working, just like the Chevy Silverado, and that's why they must be in my list.

01:24:39
Speaker 3: I love that. That is my tier three. Taylor.

01:24:42
Speaker 4: I want to cut you off, but those blue heelers look very similar to like German shepherds, but they're kind of smaller right.

01:24:48
Speaker 5: Completely getting the business like.

01:24:51
Speaker 3: They're shorter haired.

01:24:54
Speaker 2: It's hard to explain, like any movie you've seen with a cowboy. Yeah, extremely smart and we'll go all day like they will go and work all day for you. But if you want to own one, you got to like you gotta have some wide open spaces from the run.

01:25:08
Speaker 3: My tier two. This dog would have never made my list until I met my wife. She has this dog.

01:25:15
Speaker 2: I think I didn't know what to think about. I thought they were beautiful and majestic. I thought seeing her like up in the mountains with the snow, I'm like, Wow, what a beautiful dog. But I don't think I'll ever own this one.

01:25:23
Speaker 3: This dog is going to be the husky Siberian husky. They shed like shit.

01:25:29
Speaker 2: But my wife's dog, Akira does getting pets from hers like pickles on a sandwich. She'll take them or leave them, it doesn't really matter to her. She hangs out, she does her things. She's the most low maintenance dog in the world. And it's completely changed my views on huskies. I think they're an incredible species of animal, extremely smart and very vocal.

01:25:48
Speaker 3: And my tier one goes out to.

01:25:56
Speaker 2: The greatest dog you could possibly get. When you go down to a humane society and you look around those little crates and gates and you see dogs staring at you, it's not just one type of dog, it's a whole bunch of types of dogs. And when you take a cocktail combination of animals and you put them together, most of the time you're gonna get the best combo possible. So my tier one is the mutt, the mix of all.

01:26:24
Speaker 3: Those animals you put them together.

01:26:25
Speaker 2: They look funny most of the time, they are funny most of the time, and they usually have the best personalities.

01:26:31
Speaker 3: So the mutt, those pound puppies are my tier one. Sure unique.

01:26:47
Speaker 6: Politically political, yeah, own the number one.

01:27:04
Speaker 3: The gods here, why not him in there. I had him in there, but he's right.

01:27:14
Speaker 2: That's why I got a little up in arms as I thought, damn, I'm gonna get.

01:27:17
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm ready to take this right now. I'm not ready to take these hands on the internet. But I do love the Chihuahua. I think the chiuala is fucking hilarious.

01:27:26
Speaker 2: When I was a little kid and I would see the Taiaro top of bell dogs ripping around the little short haired brown colors, I would say to myself, someday, I'm gonna have this dog and I would have little matching outfits, gonna be cool little glasses, little chill boys hanging out. Now, I have a stipulation for these dogs that I'm going to get some day. I will own a chiuaba someday. I have to make sure that I got.

01:27:47
Speaker 3: This has got to be.

01:27:48
Speaker 2: Anomaly of uava. It can't bark and it can't bite. Other than that, dude, they're chill boys and they're outstanding. Maybe you should boy's gonna have a muscle.

01:28:00
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna stereotype, but every Chua I've met is the meanest fucking dog I've ever met.

01:28:05
Speaker 3: Number two and dog attacks.

01:28:08
Speaker 2: Chua is the breaking number two amongst all dogs and attacks.

01:28:12
Speaker 3: Wow, that's you want to do your one word?

01:28:17
Speaker 5: No, no, If you were gonna have chiuaa, I was gonna have a high maintenance.

01:28:25
Speaker 3: This sus I know who I am. Anyways, Yeah, well, boys and girls, that is when I went to in the episode.

01:28:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, shout out to what we got for Maxie. I don't think so were you guys listened throughout the episode and was intrigued to get a question out or go any further into anything. He was saying, Mitch loves ball, So I'm kind of looking at me and I feel like he's like, was getting a boner over there listening you talk about fucking work, ethic and ship. Our ESPN reporter Mitch wants to know what Davante Adams brings to a team.

01:29:12
Speaker 4: Davante Adams the thing with him, like I've been you know you were you were there with the whole ab saga. Well you you came after it was that same year. It was that same year.

01:29:26
Speaker 3: So that was the first superstar receiver I ever dealt with.

01:29:29
Speaker 4: So I'm like, okay, this is you know you hear their divas there, So I got to experience that whole thing. So my first, like initial thought was like, Okay, I've heard nothing but good things about Davante, like just from the outside world, Like you don't hear him talking like I'm the best blah blah blah, like on the outside he's not. He's never been that guy. So when he was coming, I was kind of I didn't know what to expect. I didn't know if he was you know what he was like whatever, get another a yeah, like it maybe another fucking diva, Like that's not the guy you want in the locker room, regardless. And the day he came in there, bro, Like when I talk about everything I talked about like a teammate, you want to dude who fucking practices the right way, fucking trains the right way every single day. He's that guy, bro. And he's one of the most humble dudes but extremely confident at the same time. He's not arrogant, he's not that, but he knows who he is, you know what I mean. And that's the level of confidence that a lot of guys can't get to. Because when you talk about Devontae Adams Emilia, oh, he's best saleper in the league, Like he's always in that conversation. So he's just a great teammate, BRO, and he's awesome, like just being around him. I fucking love Davante like he I don't know, I don't know how to explain it. Bro, He's unique. He's super fucking smart. Like he's just a different type of dude. And you could tell, like there's a reason why he's different, you know what I mean, just the way he plays. Bro, he has no fear, he knows he's the guy, and like he loves football. And that's that's really all you can say about him.

01:30:56
Speaker 6: Bro.

01:30:56
Speaker 3: He's I can go on and on, but he's a he's a great teammate.

01:30:59
Speaker 4: BRO. Love him to death.

01:31:00
Speaker 3: And I've only known him for a year. Bro, I fucking I talked to him all the time.

01:31:04
Speaker 4: Like it's not like you know in most locker rooms, like sometimes you just talk to your D line guys and stuff like that. Like Devanta is one of those guys. Like he's one of my one of the best teammates on the team. I talked to him all the time. He's a captain. He's just h Yeah, he's a total package. Yeah, he's a stuff. Bro.

01:31:19
Speaker 5: I love that dude, he's a stud. Good question, good work.

01:31:26
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we're always looking to improve, yeah, improve, yeah yeah.

01:31:40
Speaker 5: If you can hear that in the background right now, Dirk is chugging.

01:31:43
Speaker 3: Yes, he's getting after it. Dude. On that, I totally forgot what the like has a rookie? What was that experience like for you?

01:31:54
Speaker 5: Was it as bad as it was wild?

01:31:57
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, Like I don't know how to explain it. So when I when I first came in Boom, I got jibted by the Raiders. We signed like we had signed ab Ritchie Vontes, berfect, like we like every big like you think about the craziest motherfucker. They were all on our team. So I didn't know what to expect. The AB shit like Ab is a person. Like if you if AB sat here with us right now and you genuinely like it's just us in the room, no cameras, nothing, you.

01:32:28
Speaker 3: Would love a B. He would love a B. He'd be like, he's down the earth. He's a great dude.

01:32:33
Speaker 4: But the second he left the building, bro, you didn't know what the fuck was about to happen. It was every day bro, he would go, what's up?

01:32:38
Speaker 7: Man?

01:32:39
Speaker 3: Hey man?

01:32:39
Speaker 4: What up man bo Eastern Michigan blah blah blah. I played, you know, you played at Central, Like that was like my end with him. That's a rookie. I'm like, oh, it be cool with that motherfucker.

01:32:47
Speaker 3: And so we're cool.

01:32:48
Speaker 4: But like you would go home and all of a sudden there's something on Instagram and then like as a shit started getting crazy because he came in, he burned his feet off, and then he had the helmet shit. So he was never practicing. He never was around the off season. We're like, what the fuck is going on? He would show up here and there, but.

01:33:05
Speaker 5: Like and when you be with like a camera crew and ship, like, oh, he would bring a posse with him everywhere in the facility. It was not a it was kind of like a high schoolish like you had some aisles, but not a lot of room in the in.

01:33:17
Speaker 4: The locker room, bro, Like he had his own posse.

01:33:20
Speaker 3: So it was like in the weight room he had his own trainers come. So it was just a lot.

01:33:24
Speaker 5: Bro.

01:33:25
Speaker 4: But you would never like if you just sat there like he can he really is, like he's not I don't I don't know. He's got he's got his own ship he's got to deal with, you know what I mean, there's a lot of ship that's going on. But like my experience one on one with him outside of the media, outside of that ship, like he was cool as fuck, but I don't know, he's got a lot of shit going on. But like Vontes, like Vante, you would think about Vonte's birth, You're like, oh my god, that's a fucking murderer. Right, he is the fucking coolest dude, bro, Like, coolest ship. He came right up to me. Was like at first, I was terrify. I'm like, okay, this vontet perfect. That's a bad motherfucker. Like yeah, I'm you know, I'm gonna try to earn that respect. Like I didn't even know how to talk to him.

01:34:07
Speaker 3: At first.

01:34:08
Speaker 4: He was cool as shit, great leader, like great dude in the locker room, like everyone fucked with him, and he was a real leader.

01:34:15
Speaker 3: He was dope.

01:34:16
Speaker 4: And then Richie's the same thing, Like obviously Richie's had his shit too, Like he's gone through a lot of shit, but Richie's a fucking great teammate. So yeah, my whole experience with everybody, like he would think from the outside, it was like oh my god. But like inside the building, like Ab was gone before the season, like we were just waiting, like we're like, okay, is Abe even gonna play? Like there was something after There's just always something, And then he leaked like Gruden's call on the fucking Instagram.

01:34:41
Speaker 3: Bro.

01:34:41
Speaker 4: Literally after he came up and talked to the whole team. He came up, Bro, all the captains went up there. Ab walked up on the stage. He apologized. We're like all right, bet so we're like okay, he's about to play, Like fuck yeah, AB's on board now, so everyone's excited.

01:34:56
Speaker 5: Bro.

01:34:57
Speaker 4: That night he posted the shit with Gruden and how you know is fucking wild.

01:35:03
Speaker 5: The same day, me and Clear take like what you.

01:35:08
Speaker 3: Literally just talking about this ship. He's like I'm doing with the games man.

01:35:12
Speaker 4: I apologize and was like, oh fuck it, bro, Like we get it, Like everybody goes through shiit, so like I'm that's from my personal bro.

01:35:19
Speaker 3: I always give people the benefit of the doubt.

01:35:20
Speaker 4: So like I it's a b bro, Like fuck it, he's going through his ship, but like he wants to play everything seen one hundred percent genuine boom boom boom, literally that night he puts on Instagram like the whole Grooden ship every and just like I'm like what. And then by the next morning he was cut being clear in the building. Mayo's walking up through the hallway with a smile because may I had to deal with all the ship and may I really wanted him to be a part of it. Gruden, They fucking they wanted to love him, but like there was more to it, you know what I mean, he was going I don't know what he was going through, but like, and I pray for dudes like that. I don't know what he's going, what's got, what he's got going on upstairs, Like it's tough. But yeah, like people were like it was like brought the fresh air, bro. It was something every single day, and he was supposed to be our franchise guy, like we're bringing a b to fucking Lass Babs.

01:36:07
Speaker 3: Like the best, bro, the best. He was so fu cold. I'm like he's my team, bro, He's the coldest.

01:36:13
Speaker 5: And they said, like when he's out on the Price Beld like that motherfucker is running all day long, running I'm trying to do extra after Like it's just it seems just seems like a bizarre.

01:36:23
Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like. Was there ever a weird dynamic between Vonte'.

01:36:27
Speaker 4: And a B not at all?

01:36:29
Speaker 3: Really boys.

01:36:31
Speaker 4: Because he executed go To it's like a hit. That's what people say, Yeah, like, oh he got CT from that. You know everyone, That's what they're saying, like, yeah, yeah, everybody. They must sucking up, bro when they came in the fucking locker room. But everybody was. Everybody was cool as ship like. Vontez and him were boy like. It was no, there was no friction at all. Richie and Ab were boys like it was when we were all just together as boy like as teammates.

01:36:57
Speaker 3: There was no issues.

01:36:58
Speaker 4: But it's just there was a bunch of ship going on and the outside and it's just you look back, you're like, damn, what if. But you never know.

01:37:07
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

01:37:07
Speaker 4: But like we've had a B, we're kind of had a B and now we have Devanta, Like we've had some guys come in. It's just some cats, crazy.

01:37:15
Speaker 3: Some dudes.

01:37:16
Speaker 5: Dude. We appreciate you, man, this has been fucking phenomenal.

01:37:19
Speaker 3: It has been a phenomenal episode.

01:37:21
Speaker 4: Yes, I've had a blast. I'm glad you guys got to come to the crib, meet the dogs, the whole shabam.

01:37:27
Speaker 3: It was amazing.

01:37:29
Speaker 4: Some wing stops, some pizza, yeah, wings stop, water, the boys, you know, intimidating pulling.

01:37:37
Speaker 2: Up and seeing what you got sitting outside you like that. Yeah, it was nice, it was all It seemed like it was perfectly for that.

01:37:44
Speaker 5: He's like, all the boys are coming. Hold on, that's perfect an episode of MTV crib bro. It really was. Yeah, you've earned it and you're wearing the chain.

01:37:56
Speaker 3: Look at the wrists, both.

01:37:57
Speaker 4: Of them something something.

01:38:00
Speaker 3: How many are you going to you to do a full bodysuit tattoo? What are we talking about here?

01:38:05
Speaker 4: I want to get my chest, my upper back, and my like, I want to get my whole like Torso done.

01:38:11
Speaker 3: This off season. Oh yeah, my guy is moving to Vegas.

01:38:13
Speaker 4: He's from Boston, so like I usually only get to see him like once an off season and we just knocked ship out. But he's moving here in March, so we might get some uh some action.

01:38:22
Speaker 5: Yeah, get it right.

01:38:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to get like you you got all types of ship. We're covered up a little bit.

01:38:26
Speaker 3: I guess I got work to do still, yeah, just work out there. Yeah, my legs, my legs. I haven't even got back to him.

01:38:32
Speaker 5: You have to see his chest. He's got a cool little dog there.

01:38:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm starting to get I'm starting to have most of my torso done. I needed there's a couple of pieces right here by my whole back done. I need to get like a couple of places. It's not important, but I'm gonna get it.

01:38:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. It's gonna be a big.

01:38:50
Speaker 5: Hello.

01:38:52
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much.

01:38:52
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01:38:57
Speaker 3: If you're looking for the Budweiser, can't get it any more. It's overboughts.

01:39:01
Speaker 5: So that's like, yeah, that's the only thing. As you're saying, you're like, yeah, by the time this comes out, it's gonna be overwheling.

01:39:08
Speaker 4: No.

01:39:08
Speaker 2: No, this last time I did a couple of days ago, I didn't. Yeah, but big hugs, tiny kisses,