Cujo (1983) vs. Christine (1983) vs. The Dead Zone (1983): Part 1

<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, This is Jeff Johnson from a film by podcast,
<v Speaker 1>and you are listening to the wildly popular Surely you
<v Speaker 1>Can't Be Serious podcast. Hello everybody, and welcome back to
<v Speaker 1>the Shirley you Can't Be Serious Podcast where we're by ed.
<v Speaker 2>That's good, that's good intro.
<v Speaker 1>Right there, Shirley fans. We are here today to talk
<v Speaker 1>about the Stephen King trifecta from nineteen eighty three, The
<v Speaker 1>Dead Zone, Old Yeller and Herbie Goes Bananas.
<v Speaker 2>You actually stole that from me. I was gonna drop
<v Speaker 2>that later. So here's the deal. You know, we talk
<v Speaker 2>about storytelling. The thing is is that tell it to me,
<v Speaker 2>Just tell it to me different, all right? So Kujo
<v Speaker 2>so clearly is a retelling of Old Yeller.
<v Speaker 1>I literally didn't talk to you about this. I know, right,
<v Speaker 1>this is funny that our brains both went there. But
<v Speaker 1>that's funny.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, go ahead, okay, And I know we did
<v Speaker 2>talk about that. Christine is actually a retelling of Herbie
<v Speaker 2>Goes Bananas, right right. And the Dead Zone I actually
<v Speaker 2>have not a retelling, but it has been retold by
<v Speaker 2>Stephen King eleven twenty two sixty three. It's about a
<v Speaker 2>man who knows the future he sets out to change.
<v Speaker 1>It, right or the past sort of. Yeah, that's crazy.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah about that the future past or the past future. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's good future for him, but he's in the past. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's great. That's a great one. Well, you so that's
<v Speaker 1>that's a good topic. Right. So this is these are
<v Speaker 1>Stephen King books first, and then they've obviously made all
<v Speaker 1>of these into movies, and you've got a significant history
<v Speaker 1>with his books. Yeah. So my history is I can
<v Speaker 1>remember not being a big reader for most of the
<v Speaker 1>time I was in school, and then I get to
<v Speaker 1>be a freshman in high school and I'm in study
<v Speaker 1>hall and I'm sitting behind this kid who is a
<v Speaker 1>couple of years older than me, who I think is
<v Speaker 1>one of the coolest guys in school, and he's perusing
<v Speaker 1>this big old book and I'm like, you read it?
<v Speaker 1>He shows me and it's it. I'd ask him about it,
<v Speaker 1>and he just, you know, has nothing but good, powerful
<v Speaker 1>things to say about it. And I'm like, I think,
<v Speaker 1>I think this is on the bookshelf at our house.
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go try this. And so the first
<v Speaker 1>real book that I ever picked up and read was it.
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's nine hundred and something pages long.
<v Speaker 2>That's an incredible feat for your first book.
<v Speaker 1>And loved it. I loved it. But I haven't really
<v Speaker 1>read many Stephen King books beyond that. There was the
<v Speaker 1>book Four Past Midnight that had like four different short
<v Speaker 1>stories in it.
<v Speaker 2>One of the short stories in four Past Midnight, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's called the Sun Dog, Okay, and it actually involves
<v Speaker 2>the character Ace from Stand By Me. You for Solan's character.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, as an older man, okay, okay, Yeah, I might
<v Speaker 1>have might have been the one I read. I'm again,
<v Speaker 1>I was in high school, so it's been a while back.
<v Speaker 2>So basically, he has this pull red camera and in
<v Speaker 2>he's taken pictures and he notices there's this dog in
<v Speaker 2>the pictures. Yeah, and for every picture it takes, it
<v Speaker 2>gets a little closer. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I think I did read that. Yeah. Oh that's great.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's a good one.
<v Speaker 1>Ace finally got his.
<v Speaker 2>Ace got his.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, we will probably spoil the books in
<v Speaker 1>case you haven't read those, if you've only seen the movies,
<v Speaker 1>so just be aware of that these maybe books that
<v Speaker 1>you haven't read. I haven't read any of them. I
<v Speaker 1>haven't read any of these books.
<v Speaker 2>I've read all three and.
<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to hear how the books vary from the movies.
<v Speaker 1>But the other Stephen King book that I've read from
<v Speaker 1>cover to cover is eleven twenty two sixty three, which
<v Speaker 1>I got from you.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, that's my all time favorite Stephen King book.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I would love to do a Top five Stephen King
<v Speaker 2>type of episode one of these days.
<v Speaker 1>So I think they'd be fantastic. Yeah. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Actually Kujo is what got me started on my Stephen
<v Speaker 2>King journey.
<v Speaker 1>Wow.
<v Speaker 2>So I'm at a friend's house. It's a sleepover. They've
<v Speaker 2>got HBO and it's like, hey, you guys want to
<v Speaker 2>watch this you know, R rated movie. You know, we're
<v Speaker 2>all eleven, you know we shouldn't be doing.
<v Speaker 1>This, but yeah, are rated. That means boobies, right, well
<v Speaker 1>I hoped, but h it did not mean that, not
<v Speaker 1>in this circumersis.
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, it captivated me. Man, I was entranced. So
<v Speaker 2>next step, because I love the movie is go check
<v Speaker 2>out the book.
<v Speaker 1>Right Wow?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, And as a eleven year old or twelve year
<v Speaker 2>old whatever I was when I read the book, there's
<v Speaker 2>a lot of adult themes in there that I didn't
<v Speaker 2>really understand the affair and sort of the kind of
<v Speaker 2>the nastiness of the breakup of the marriage and a
<v Speaker 2>lot of stuff involved in that that was too much
<v Speaker 2>for an eleven year old, But the storytelling and all
<v Speaker 2>that was captivating, and so I set off on my
<v Speaker 2>journey starting with Kujo. I mean, I've read it. I
<v Speaker 2>read The Stand, which is probably my second favorite book
<v Speaker 2>of all time. Of course, Skeleton Crew, Night Shift, all
<v Speaker 2>those little short story collections are awesome. I've read Salem's Lot,
<v Speaker 2>I've read Kerrie, I've read Cemetery. I basically have read
<v Speaker 2>everything he put out until I got to maybe graduate
<v Speaker 2>from college.
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<v Speaker 1>Great, fantastic deep dive to its steepness.
<v Speaker 2>The two thousands were a little rough for me to
<v Speaker 2>hang around, right, I didn't like his.
<v Speaker 1>Well, and now that you say that I had forgotten,
<v Speaker 1>I did. Actually I went through was it different? Seasons?
<v Speaker 1>Is that the name of the book Seasons? Yeah? That
<v Speaker 1>has of course Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption has
<v Speaker 1>stand by Me, which was called The Body has apt Pupil.
<v Speaker 2>You talk about shook. After I read app Pupil, I
<v Speaker 2>was shook.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's a poignant ending and kind
<v Speaker 1>of similar. Again, it's a heat Sticks with a lot
<v Speaker 1>of the same themes. We just got finished with our
<v Speaker 1>top five seventies movies to watch it Halloween and our
<v Speaker 1>Top five eighties movies to watch it Halloween, And obviously
<v Speaker 1>Stephen King was a big factor in that. I cannot
<v Speaker 1>believe we didn't bring up The Shining. I know, I
<v Speaker 1>like feel guilty, like it's a great movie, but it's
<v Speaker 1>just it's like, you got to watch this when you're
<v Speaker 1>very specifically in the mood for it, because it's so overpowering.
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know famously, you know, they talk about it
<v Speaker 2>even in Ready Player one. Stephen King does not like
<v Speaker 2>the movie adaptation of The Shining.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>He also doesn't really care for one of the movies
<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about today.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And as it turns out, it looked like he
<v Speaker 1>was right about The Shining until I was. With most
<v Speaker 1>Stanley Kubrick movies. It starts off, it's not got a
<v Speaker 1>good reception, it doesn't do very well, and then a
<v Speaker 1>few years go by and suddenly people go, oh, this
<v Speaker 1>is a work of absolute genius. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Interesting. So I'm glad that I actually got you to
<v Speaker 2>read a Stephen King book that you enjoyed.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So I guess maybe The Stand is your next no
<v Speaker 2>thank you. It's you know, twenty five hundred pages.
<v Speaker 1>Or whatever, crazy long.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, but it's amazing, it's amazing.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I remember when the TV movie came out. I
<v Speaker 1>watched the movie as it was coming out, and it
<v Speaker 1>came out right around the same time that it the
<v Speaker 1>TV version came out, right, it was just a couple
<v Speaker 1>of years later.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it was nineteen ninety and the Stand was ninety four.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So anyway, we've talked to Stephen King in depth. Yep.
<v Speaker 1>We mentioned in our seventies episode that his very first
<v Speaker 1>novel to get published was also immediately made into a movie,
<v Speaker 1>sold it for only twenty five hundred bucks, and the
<v Speaker 1>name of that movie was Carrie. Right. As I mentioned
<v Speaker 1>in that episode, he had actually thrown this thing away
<v Speaker 1>through it in the trash, didn't like way it was going.
<v Speaker 1>His wife dug it out of the trash, read it
<v Speaker 1>and said keep going. And that's why he is the
<v Speaker 1>guy that we everyone knows today, right true, And so
<v Speaker 1>in the next five years he each earns out book
<v Speaker 1>after book after book.
<v Speaker 2>Classic after classic.
<v Speaker 1>Salem's Lot came out in seventy five, The Shining came
<v Speaker 1>out in seventy seven. Also in seventy seven he published
<v Speaker 1>Rage as Richard Bachmann. Then this is no longer buy
<v Speaker 1>that book now? Why because it's about a kid that
<v Speaker 1>brings a gun to a school and kills other kids.
<v Speaker 1>And they are like, wow, yep, And actually Stephen King
<v Speaker 1>endorses the idea that it's no longer available. That's impressive. Okay. Anyway,
<v Speaker 1>on to less depressing topics. The Stand came out in
<v Speaker 1>seventy eight. Yep, The Long Walk came out in seventy nine.
<v Speaker 1>That was another Richard Bachmann, our pseudonym book. And then
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy nine you came out with The Dead Zone.
<v Speaker 1>And despite the fact that you probably have known every
<v Speaker 1>non Richard Bachmann book that I just mentioned, this was
<v Speaker 1>the first time that a book hit the top ten
<v Speaker 1>in the US for him. That's incredible, Right, five years later,
<v Speaker 1>all of these incredible books, and the Dead Zone is
<v Speaker 1>the first one.
<v Speaker 2>That hits even just four years after this point. So
<v Speaker 2>seventy nine, he's got a best seller in eighty three.
<v Speaker 2>They're buying rights to his novels before they're out. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and they're best sellers when they're releasing the movie exactly.
<v Speaker 1>Well, the Dead Zone is the first novel that takes
<v Speaker 1>place in Castle Rock. Yes, then of course we also
<v Speaker 1>have Kujo, which takes place in Castle Rocks. Correct, And
<v Speaker 1>then we had Stand by Me the Dark Half and
<v Speaker 1>Needful Things. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Needful Things, I think is kind of the death of
<v Speaker 2>Castle Rock.
<v Speaker 1>The impression that I got was it was this town
<v Speaker 1>that was literally inhabited by all of the characters of
<v Speaker 1>Stephen King's novels. So you've you've got Ace and Gordy
<v Speaker 1>living in the same town with Johnny Smith or whoever.
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's out of the gate, and I know
<v Speaker 2>we'll get into this, but Sheriff Bannerman, the law enforcement
<v Speaker 2>officer that shows up and gets killed by Kujo. That's
<v Speaker 2>the guy played by Tom Scarrett in the Dead Zone,
<v Speaker 2>the guy that they look for the Castle Rock killer.
<v Speaker 2>And so that character who you see in the Dead
<v Speaker 2>Zone gets killed in Kujo.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I mean and Frank Dodd, the Castle Rock
<v Speaker 1>Killer is also like a supernatural haunting force that's involved
<v Speaker 1>in Kujo.
<v Speaker 2>Right, that's right.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So we've talked about the books a bit. Yep,
<v Speaker 1>you can tell me as we go on, oh hey
<v Speaker 1>this is different or this is something else. But but
<v Speaker 1>let's talk about the movies. All right. Let's start with Kujo.
<v Speaker 1>It was the first one released. So Stephen King actually
<v Speaker 1>specifically picked Lewis Tigue to direct this movie. He had
<v Speaker 1>seen a movie that Lewis Tigue had done called Alligator. Ah, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>have you seen it?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>And what did you think?
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, it's Is it like fun?
<v Speaker 1>Is it like piranha? I mean, is it basically like that?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>Because I mean Tigue referred to it as a horror spoof, like,
<v Speaker 1>not as an actual attempt at horror, but a horror spoof.
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know those urban legends where somebody flushes a
<v Speaker 2>baby alligator down a toilet and then five years later
<v Speaker 2>you've got this massive alligator in the living in the
<v Speaker 2>serial system. That's what it's about. And early HBO man
<v Speaker 2>I was all about it. Yeah, it was fun.
<v Speaker 1>So Stephen King hand picks Lewis Tig. Dan Blatt is
<v Speaker 1>the producer, right, It's with a particular studio that ultimately
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't end up with, and so Dan Blatt is like, Okay, sorry, Lewis,
<v Speaker 1>We're not going to be able to do this. And
<v Speaker 1>then Dan Blatt teams up with Warner Brothers and Lewis
<v Speaker 1>Tig's like, all right, we're back on, and he's like,
<v Speaker 1>they really have somebody else that they would rather use.
<v Speaker 1>And so the guy that they pick is a guy
<v Speaker 1>named Peter Medick. He's the same director who had done
<v Speaker 1>the Changeling just right before this movie came out, which
<v Speaker 1>was had done very well, and the director of photography
<v Speaker 1>was Tony Richmond. Keep in mind, there were multiple versions
<v Speaker 1>of this script written, and this is going to be
<v Speaker 1>a continuing story for all of these and usually Stephen
<v Speaker 1>King takes his swing at it at least once, and
<v Speaker 1>every single time they're like, no.
<v Speaker 2>I know, right, that's crazy.
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, the one that Peter Medick is using
<v Speaker 1>is Barbara Turner's script, and she had included the Frank
<v Speaker 1>Dodd part in her story as the supernatural connection that's
<v Speaker 1>haunting the little boy or whatever. So Peter Medick had
<v Speaker 1>had this grand idea for how this thing was going
<v Speaker 1>to begin. He had changed the name of the town
<v Speaker 1>from cas Rock to Mendocino. I don't know what that is,
<v Speaker 1>but that's what that was what it was supposed to be,
<v Speaker 1>and it was supposed to be that you start on
<v Speaker 1>this big kind of crane shot into this stream of
<v Speaker 1>cars and then it like follows the cars and over
<v Speaker 1>to a cemetery where you see a vampire bat who's
<v Speaker 1>going to ultimately be the vampire bat that infects Kujo
<v Speaker 1>with Rabi's okay, okay, And it's such a big, complicated
<v Speaker 1>production and shot that two days into filming, Dan Blatt says,
<v Speaker 1>we're not fricking doing this and he fires Peter Meddick
<v Speaker 1>and Tony Richmond. Ye, now what do you do? You
<v Speaker 1>are you have started production at this point, right, We've
<v Speaker 1>started production. And so he calls up Lewis t because
<v Speaker 1>Lewis t had already kind of had it in his
<v Speaker 1>head that he was going to direct, and he's like,
<v Speaker 1>can you come and direct this movie?
<v Speaker 2>Hey? Remember when we let you go, we need you back.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And so he's and Lewis Tig's like, yeah, I'm available,
<v Speaker 1>Let's do it. And he goes, Okay, there's just one thing.
<v Speaker 1>You only have one day to prepare, right, and dan
<v Speaker 1>Blatt said, and I listened to silence for a second,
<v Speaker 1>and then Lewis Tigue says two days, and dan Blad says, okay,
<v Speaker 1>we'll shut down for two days, right. So in that
<v Speaker 1>two days, I can't even imagine Lewis Tigue what he's
<v Speaker 1>got to go through. Because there's a question about the cast,
<v Speaker 1>if the cast stays the same, a question about the script. Obviously,
<v Speaker 1>Barbara Turner's written one. There's been another couple of them
<v Speaker 1>that have been written. Stephen King was involved at some point,
<v Speaker 1>and he's just got to go, Okay, I like some
<v Speaker 1>of the stuff from this script, but I don't like
<v Speaker 1>this other stuff, and we're gonna rearrange all of it
<v Speaker 1>and kind of put it together. But the beautiful thing
<v Speaker 1>for him, he said, was they had cast the perfect cast.
<v Speaker 1>Right now. You kick out a director after two days,
<v Speaker 1>your crew is gonna be I mean, this is an
<v Speaker 1>independent feature, so these are non union guys. The crew
<v Speaker 1>was upset because they really love Tony Richmond, and people
<v Speaker 1>had nothing but nice things to say about Peter Medick.
<v Speaker 1>But there can't right, And so it's interesting the article
<v Speaker 1>that I read, it says Peter medic was devastated by this,
<v Speaker 1>Like he didn't walk away, he didn't quit, and he
<v Speaker 1>was like this was sad. He was true looking forward
<v Speaker 1>to this and this was a depressing moment for him.
<v Speaker 1>And it turns out his son was a production assistant.
<v Speaker 1>His son stayed on and finished as a pious assistant
<v Speaker 1>for the for the movie.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's interesting Aristopher metics stayed the whole time. Yeah, well,
<v Speaker 2>good for him. I mean that shows maturity. And I
<v Speaker 2>was going to tell you, Louis Tige, here's his little catalog. Right,
<v Speaker 2>we talked about Alligator, right when he goes on to
<v Speaker 2>do Kat's Eye, Yeah, with Ju and I both enjoy, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>very much. Another Stephen King movie. Right, he does Jewel
<v Speaker 2>Denile flash Back to our Worst Sequels of All Time
<v Speaker 2>episode couple.
<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, disagree with you on that one. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he does a movie called Collision Course with Jay
<v Speaker 2>Leno and Pat Marita.
<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh. Yeah, and he.
<v Speaker 2>Does Navy Seals and the Dukes of Hazard Reunion movie.
<v Speaker 1>His is not as impressive career as the other two
<v Speaker 1>directors that we're going to talk about today, that's okay,
<v Speaker 1>but he does well with what he's got, right, He
<v Speaker 1>did a great job with it, and he brings in
<v Speaker 1>a new cinematographer named Jon DuPont. H Now, I think
<v Speaker 1>we're dropping this episode on October twenty fourth, so two
<v Speaker 1>days ago for those who of you who are listening,
<v Speaker 1>it was Jon Depont's eightieth birthday. He is still with us,
<v Speaker 1>and he's he really didn't. I mean, there's some incredible
<v Speaker 1>things that you don't. I mean, it's great that you
<v Speaker 1>don't think about them, but there are some incredible things
<v Speaker 1>that they did with the camera work on this.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I watched a whole breakdown of like
<v Speaker 2>the Pinto and how they had to do the spinning
<v Speaker 2>shot through the roof of the car and they took
<v Speaker 2>the doors off and the guys were in the car
<v Speaker 2>with him all around complicated shots, and you know, he
<v Speaker 2>used fire to make it look like it was hot
<v Speaker 2>when it was actually freezing.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>They had a lot of cool stuff.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. So the story is supposed to take place
<v Speaker 1>in the hot summer, right, right, but they were actually
<v Speaker 1>filming when it was cold outside, like incredibly cold.
<v Speaker 2>October, November and December in northern California.
<v Speaker 1>And Dee Wallace and Danny Peturo are supposed to be
<v Speaker 1>in the heat, but they're not. But they had you know,
<v Speaker 1>there's stripped of most of their clothes, and d Wallace
<v Speaker 1>is finally like, guys, you got to put a heater
<v Speaker 1>inside the car. And then they'd start filming. They're like,
<v Speaker 1>we can't hear over the heater, so they would have
<v Speaker 1>the heater on and then they would turn it off. Yeah. So,
<v Speaker 1>like you were saying, it was supposed to be hot,
<v Speaker 1>so to give the illusion of heat coming up off
<v Speaker 1>of the ground, yonda Pont would start an actual fire
<v Speaker 1>underneath where the eye line was, so that you had
<v Speaker 1>the waves of the.
<v Speaker 2>Heat coming up.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And there's a scene where Danny is running towards
<v Speaker 1>his bed. I felt like this, like you tried to
<v Speaker 1>get you turned off your light and tried to get
<v Speaker 1>to your bed before it got dark inside. Right, absolutely.
<v Speaker 1>And so the way that they did this is they
<v Speaker 1>had two sets. Fascinating the lights are on and it's
<v Speaker 1>a regular looking bedroom. As soon as they flip the switch,
<v Speaker 1>it turns into like the bed is a football field.
<v Speaker 2>Right right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So Lewis Tigue says to yonda Pont, Okay, here's
<v Speaker 1>what I want to happen. I want us to follow
<v Speaker 1>him and as he jumps, we're gonna flip over and
<v Speaker 1>see it from upside down, like he's jumping into space basically,
<v Speaker 1>and yonda. Pont's like okay, yeah, okay, yeah, And so
<v Speaker 1>they rig up this entire system so that he can
<v Speaker 1>hold the camera and flip upside down as he jumps
<v Speaker 1>into the bed.
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's really interesting just talking about the movie
<v Speaker 2>to the book. One of the biggest things. They kind
<v Speaker 2>of mention it in the movie. I don't think it's
<v Speaker 2>really emphasized, but this whole thing about the monster in
<v Speaker 2>the closet. Tad little boy is scared of the monster
<v Speaker 2>in his closet and his dad comes in. He says, Tad,
<v Speaker 2>there's no such things as monsters. Kujo is the actual
<v Speaker 2>like the monster from his closet who appears in real life.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean, the whole idea of the movie is
<v Speaker 1>a little bit different than the idea of the book
<v Speaker 1>because in the book you've got supernatural things to be
<v Speaker 1>scared of and real things to be scared of. Right
<v Speaker 1>in this movie, unlike the other two, you don't have
<v Speaker 1>a supernatural element. They took that part out, and so
<v Speaker 1>it becomes imaginary things to be scared of, sure, like
<v Speaker 1>things in the closet and potentially the not really imaginary,
<v Speaker 1>but things that trouble adults like Dee Wallace is worried about,
<v Speaker 1>you know, growing old in a tiny little town and
<v Speaker 1>never making anything of herself. And the husband is worried about,
<v Speaker 1>you know, losing all of the money to take care
<v Speaker 1>of the family, which is all of those kid, mom
<v Speaker 1>and dad. Those are all very identifiable fears.
<v Speaker 2>In the book. Also, the guy she's having an affair
<v Speaker 2>with is off the range and upset, and you know,
<v Speaker 2>he's willing to trash their house and destroy their life.
<v Speaker 2>And he's a real villain in the in the book.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you described to me some of the things that
<v Speaker 1>he does in the book to the pillows specifically, and uh, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that did not make it into the movie. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>they did tone him down a bit, they did. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>so we kind of wandered into production. So let's let's
<v Speaker 1>back up here. Okay, So let's jump back talk about
<v Speaker 1>the Dead Zone, first of the three books that came out,
<v Speaker 1>but second of the movies that came out. Right, So
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to tell you about a guy named Peter Herkos.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, do you know that name?
<v Speaker 1>No?
<v Speaker 2>I don't, all right.
<v Speaker 1>Peter Herkos was actually born Pieter vander Hirk in May
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen eleven, and he was a Dutchman who claimed
<v Speaker 1>that he manifested ESP after recovering from a head injury
<v Speaker 1>and a coma caused by a fall from a ladder
<v Speaker 1>when he was thirty years old. Interesting, Yeah, sounds familiar, right.
<v Speaker 1>So he ends up coming to the US. He's got
<v Speaker 1>like this guy who's a financier, wealthy guy who's like,
<v Speaker 1>I want you to come, and he's one of those
<v Speaker 1>guys who will show you the ESP tricks. Fully says,
<v Speaker 1>test me, do whatever you want. I will you know,
<v Speaker 1>I will prove that I have ESP. He goes on
<v Speaker 1>the Johnny Carson Show at like three different times. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>he is a he is a celebrity in the US
<v Speaker 1>in the mid twentieth century.
<v Speaker 2>Does he shake Johnny's hand and say, you want to
<v Speaker 2>know when you're gonna die? I'm gonna die, You're gonna die.
<v Speaker 2>You want to know why your sister committed Suicide's waiting
<v Speaker 2>for that.
<v Speaker 1>That's perfect, okay, and so inspired by this guy's story,
<v Speaker 1>Stephen King decides to write a book about a clairvoyant. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>and that book is called The Dead Zone. Yes.
<v Speaker 2>So one of the cool things about the book, the
<v Speaker 2>Dead Zone, that's not really explained fully in the movie.
<v Speaker 2>Actually thinks it's better explained in eleven twenty two sixty
<v Speaker 2>three that the future, you know, the course of time,
<v Speaker 2>is an entity that will fight back against any changes
<v Speaker 2>that is brought upon it. Oh yeah, right, yeah, we
<v Speaker 2>you know eleven twenty two sixty three, he's trying to
<v Speaker 2>stop the assassination of JFK. And time is an enemy.
<v Speaker 2>It's fighting against him changing that.
<v Speaker 1>And you have that physical guy when he comes back
<v Speaker 1>each time that he comes back into present times, guy
<v Speaker 1>in the yellow hat, I mean, yeah, right, out of
<v Speaker 1>curious George, right, but yeah, and as the past changes,
<v Speaker 1>the future changes. And this is this guy's kind of
<v Speaker 1>like a timekeeper. That's his job, that's right. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And so in the Dead Zone, you know Johnny and
<v Speaker 2>Sarah when they go to that little carnival, they go
<v Speaker 2>to a carnival where he writes the roller coaster, you
<v Speaker 2>see that. But there's this whole section in the book
<v Speaker 2>where he he does this roulette will and he starts
<v Speaker 2>to win because he predicts he has the shining Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So yes, psychic abilities. And of course King touches on
<v Speaker 2>this in a lot of his books. There's a lot
<v Speaker 2>of foreshat, you know, like vision seeing and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 2>And so Johnny begins to win, and the carnival guy
<v Speaker 2>gets really upset and Johnny he makes up with a
<v Speaker 2>couple hundred bucks, but he's kind of the star of
<v Speaker 2>the carnival for a little bit.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And the way Time fights back against him is it
<v Speaker 2>sends that truck and after him. Okay, and so it's
<v Speaker 2>punishment for altering time.
<v Speaker 1>Well, I showed you I pulled the script that Jeffrey
<v Speaker 1>Boham wrote. I pulled it and read maybe the first
<v Speaker 1>twenty pages of it or so. And it starts off
<v Speaker 1>with Johnny Smith as a kid and he's going ice
<v Speaker 1>skating for the first time, and you know, sees the
<v Speaker 1>cool kids ice skating, sees the older kids playing hockey,
<v Speaker 1>kind of gets distracted by what's going on his first
<v Speaker 1>time on the ice and ends up running into this
<v Speaker 1>big kid who's playing hockey, slams his head against the ice,
<v Speaker 1>and that kind of is the spark that sets him off,
<v Speaker 1>right as they're trying to get resuscitate him. Basically, he
<v Speaker 1>does the he grabs the guy's hand. I don't remember
<v Speaker 1>what the guy's name is. He grabs the guy's hand
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, don't jump it. Don't jump it. The acid,
<v Speaker 1>that's what he says. Yeah. And then just a little
<v Speaker 1>while later, this guy is at his house. He's got
<v Speaker 1>a car battery that's dead, and he gets out and
<v Speaker 1>these teenagers are driving by on the bridge and distracting him,
<v Speaker 1>and he accidentally crosses the cables and so when he
<v Speaker 1>tries to jump it, battery acid splatters all over his
<v Speaker 1>face and he's like, ah, and so that would have
<v Speaker 1>been a fantastic intro for the movie, right right, And
<v Speaker 1>then it jumps forward to Johnny's a teacher, just like
<v Speaker 1>the movie really starts, but unlike the movie, he starts
<v Speaker 1>off as a college professor and his love interest is
<v Speaker 1>one of the students. Now he's a young professor, but
<v Speaker 1>it's still obviously very taboo. So Sarah is a student.
<v Speaker 1>Instead of it being that he has he's driving Herbie
<v Speaker 1>the love Bug and runs into the slowest moving tanker
<v Speaker 1>in the war. Gosh, yes, instead of that it is
<v Speaker 1>he's on it. He's on a motorcycle. Basically, it's it
<v Speaker 1>is a different introduction, but I kind of like the
<v Speaker 1>idea of not going all the way back. But they
<v Speaker 1>give us that hint when they're on the roller coaster
<v Speaker 1>that he did have some sort of childhood trauma because
<v Speaker 1>he's feeling a pain in his head before he ever
<v Speaker 1>has that accident.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so the book that's, you know, Johnny's first
<v Speaker 2>brain trauma is that that ice accident. Yeah, the ice
<v Speaker 2>is gonna break, but it doesn't in this case, so
<v Speaker 2>but comes out.
<v Speaker 1>In seventy nine, Loria mar Film Entertainment buys the rights
<v Speaker 1>to the book, right, and they hire Jeffrey Boum to
<v Speaker 1>write the script. That's the script that I read, is
<v Speaker 1>the Jeffrey Boham script. Right. Well, yeah, we've talked about
<v Speaker 1>him a couple times. He wrote Last Crusade, he wrote
<v Speaker 1>several other fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>Guy's really good man.
<v Speaker 1>Is he's an all star? Wrote The Lethal Weapon Part
<v Speaker 1>two three? Yes, he's good at taking over a franchise,
<v Speaker 1>that's right. They also started off with an entirely different director,
<v Speaker 1>guy named Stanley Donan. Yeah you know this guy?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay, so this is great I can't wait to
<v Speaker 2>throw this at you.
<v Speaker 1>Right.
<v Speaker 2>So the original director of the Dead Zone. This is
<v Speaker 2>the guy who directed Singing in the Rain, Damn Yankees,
<v Speaker 2>Funny Face.
<v Speaker 1>Seven Brides for Seven Brothers.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So he does Saturn three out, which is you know,
<v Speaker 2>that's science fiction, that's you know, coming into the eighties
<v Speaker 2>right there. Sure, but he directs the Dancing on the
<v Speaker 2>Ceiling video for Lionel Richie.
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, okay, my mind is blown. That's not what
<v Speaker 1>I was expecting you to bring up. Well, we talked
<v Speaker 1>about it in our Lionel.
<v Speaker 2>Richie episode where he meets the girl who then you know,
<v Speaker 2>his wife has to be called and all that stuff. Right,
<v Speaker 2>so that's when he meets her in the Dancing on
<v Speaker 2>the Ceiling video.
<v Speaker 1>That's fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>You have something else?
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, so we know that he doesn't end up
<v Speaker 1>staying with Right the project. Right. So nineteen eighty four
<v Speaker 1>he has a movie that comes out that we've talked
<v Speaker 1>about multiple times. Okay, blame it on Rio.
<v Speaker 2>Oh serious.
<v Speaker 1>One of his very last movies was was Blaming On
<v Speaker 1>and he you know you mentioned Singing the Rain. He
<v Speaker 1>collaborated with Gene Kelly pretty frequently and Eventually they had
<v Speaker 1>a falling out because he felt like gene Kelly wasn't
<v Speaker 1>treating him as an equal despite the fact that he's
<v Speaker 1>freaking directing singing in the rain. And then it also
<v Speaker 1>was not so good that his ex wife ended up
<v Speaker 1>marrying gene Kelly.
<v Speaker 2>So that'll do it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's a big she's a big dancing star. But anyway,
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, Stanley Donnan is gone and Laura mar has
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of failures in a row, and they basically
<v Speaker 1>decide to shut their film things down. And then are
<v Speaker 1>you know our go to guy in the eighties for
<v Speaker 1>buying scripts, mister Dino de Laurentis snatches this one up,
<v Speaker 1>but he hates Jeffrey Boem script.
<v Speaker 2>What hey, Dino de Laurentis has given us a lot
<v Speaker 2>of fun movies. Yeah, we've also made fun of a
<v Speaker 2>lot of his stuff to write. Flashback to our Flash
<v Speaker 2>Gordon episode Flash Gordon.
<v Speaker 1>Some of the stories on Dino de la Reentis for
<v Speaker 1>that one are great.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I've got to give it up to this guy.
<v Speaker 2>We know about the fact that he doesn't speak English
<v Speaker 2>very well, right, but he comes over to American he's
<v Speaker 2>trying to make movies. Yeah, okay. So one of the
<v Speaker 2>things is he, you know, Stephen King writes a script
<v Speaker 2>for the Dead Zone.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was his idea. He was like, you know what,
<v Speaker 1>I hate this Jeffrey Boem script. Why don't mister King
<v Speaker 1>you write the script.
<v Speaker 2>I love your story.
<v Speaker 1>I read it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, it's not even good.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah he writes. Yeah, King writes, and he's like, this
<v Speaker 1>is convoluted. Yeah, what right? And so he asks another guy,
<v Speaker 1>a guy named Anders Zolwowski. I mean he's this Polish
<v Speaker 1>art house film guy making movies in France. He writes
<v Speaker 1>the screenplay in Polish. Yeah, they then translate it to English.
<v Speaker 1>But for Dino, they have to translate that to Italian. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>they don't. And they don't translate the Polish to Italian.
<v Speaker 1>They translate the English translation to Italian exactly. Dino's like,
<v Speaker 1>I don't like this at all. Yeah, so he ends
<v Speaker 1>up going back to Boem script. But his stroke of genius,
<v Speaker 1>I mean he's always got one he does. His stroke
<v Speaker 1>of genius is he brings in Deborah Hill. Now we
<v Speaker 1>had talked, we talked about her on our seventies Movies
<v Speaker 1>to watch During Halloween. She was John Carpenter's girlfriend. Yep.
<v Speaker 1>She was obviously heavily involved in movies even before him.
<v Speaker 1>She had helped him with Assault on Precinct thirteen. She
<v Speaker 1>and he wrote Halloween together. It was largely based on
<v Speaker 1>her experience as a babysitter. Right, but I told you
<v Speaker 1>I was watching interviews from back in the eighties when
<v Speaker 1>these movies were about to come out. She's nice looking,
<v Speaker 1>but she's not gorgeous. But when she starts talking, she's
<v Speaker 1>so freaking smart. I fall in love with her. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, holy cow, this girl is a genius. She's
<v Speaker 1>and proves it by going on to do so let
<v Speaker 1>me just let me touch this all right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So she's born in nineteen fifty works in the movies
<v Speaker 1>in various positions, ends up with Assault on Preestcinct thirteen,
<v Speaker 1>works on Halloween in nineteen seventy eight, also The Fog.
<v Speaker 1>But she goes on forms her own independent film company
<v Speaker 1>with a lady named Linda Oapst, and they produced Adventures
<v Speaker 1>in Babysitting, Heartbreak, Hotel, The Fisher King. She also produced
<v Speaker 1>Gross Anatomy and Clue. She worked with James Cameron back
<v Speaker 1>when he was just there special effects she was a
<v Speaker 1>freaking rock star.
<v Speaker 2>Demra Hill. Yeah, go ahead is to John Carpenter what
<v Speaker 2>gayl Ann heard was to James Cameron, very very fair comparison.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. She actually ended up passing away of colon cancer
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and five, despite the fact that she'd
<v Speaker 1>been fighting colon cancer had both of her legs amputated
<v Speaker 1>because of the cancer. Oh man, she was still working
<v Speaker 1>full tilt on a remake of The Fog with John
<v Speaker 1>Carpenter as well as an Oliver Stone movie called World
<v Speaker 1>Trade Center. Whenever she ended up passing away.
<v Speaker 2>That's fascinating.
<v Speaker 1>They've got this script there at least don't hate as
<v Speaker 1>much as they did initially. They've got Deborah Hill on board.
<v Speaker 1>They looked at a couple of different directors. They looked
<v Speaker 1>at Michael Samino, who did The Deer Hunter. So, I
<v Speaker 1>mean he's worked with and done great work with Christopher Walking. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but he's he's out. They go to John Batham.
<v Speaker 2>John Batham, Saturday Night Fever, Saturday Night Fever, and Wargames. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>how about that?
<v Speaker 1>And they asked Cronenberg. They asked David Cronenberg to do it,
<v Speaker 1>and he says, nah, right, And then they're like we
<v Speaker 1>got Deborah Hill. He's like, Okay, I'm in, Yeah, come in.
<v Speaker 1>That's I mean, that's it. That turned him.
<v Speaker 2>So David Cronenberg we talked about in our Halloween Movies
<v Speaker 2>of the eighties. Yeah, I mean, this is this Guy's
<v Speaker 2>directed The Brude in nineteen eighty Scanners in nineteen eighty one.
<v Speaker 2>Video Drome. Have you ever seen video Drune?
<v Speaker 1>I have not seen video Drome.
<v Speaker 2>No, these are very odd. They call him bodygre Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>The first scene in the entire movie is when the
<v Speaker 2>killer commits suicide, and you only see that for a flash.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you really see him right before and then the results.
<v Speaker 1>That's about all you see. You don't see the actual.
<v Speaker 2>You don't see his face peel back like in the
<v Speaker 2>fly right.
<v Speaker 1>And he mentions, you know, clairvoyance and the movie Scanners,
<v Speaker 1>talking about that whole idea of having an effect on
<v Speaker 1>somebody with just your mind. But this was the first
<v Speaker 1>movie that he hadn't had at least some sort of
<v Speaker 1>partial writing involvement with the script. He worked with Jeffrey
<v Speaker 1>Bohm and revised the script and condensed it about four
<v Speaker 1>different times before they finally ended up with the final
<v Speaker 1>draft November eighth, nineteen eighty two. By the way, his
<v Speaker 1>original Jeffrey Boum's original script finished on the day that
<v Speaker 1>Ron Reagan got elected, So really a few years later
<v Speaker 1>that they end up with their their final We're going
<v Speaker 1>to use this shooting script that was done, like I said,
<v Speaker 1>November eighth, they start shooting January of eighty three.
<v Speaker 2>This movie really is in three sections of screenplay. They
<v Speaker 2>call it a trip Tyke, which I thought was interesting. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>so you have john his accident.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, trip tyke, it's a religious symbol that
<v Speaker 1>has three parts. Just thought I throw that out.
<v Speaker 2>But so you've got Johnny and his accident. Yep, You've
<v Speaker 2>got the serial killer thread, and then you've got still
<v Speaker 2>Sin's a three part story.
<v Speaker 1>I love it. Yeah, okay, so we've got two three
<v Speaker 1>out of the way. Let's talk about Christine. Yes, So
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned in our Best Movies for Halloween in the
<v Speaker 1>seventies that you saw a TV adaptation movie. Yeah, a
<v Speaker 1>TV movie of Stephen King's book called Salem's Lot.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, super creepy. Right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So one of the producers on that was a
<v Speaker 1>guy named Richard Corbett's and so Stephen King actually really
<v Speaker 1>loved the adaptation that he did. Stephen King says, I
<v Speaker 1>really love what you've done. I've got some things that
<v Speaker 1>I'm working on now that are not going to be
<v Speaker 1>books until later. Would you like to see those before
<v Speaker 1>they become books?
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Please, I'll take it whatever it is. Wow.
<v Speaker 1>And so, of course the first two opportunities that he
<v Speaker 1>gets to see you book number one Kujo, I know
<v Speaker 1>number two Christine. Yeah. Both he and John Carpenter, who
<v Speaker 1>ends up being the director on this, both were like,
<v Speaker 1>I can't figure out how Kujo becomes a movie, right,
<v Speaker 1>I just don't. I don't see how that becomes a
<v Speaker 1>scary movie. Sure. John Carpenter actually felt the same way
<v Speaker 1>about Christine. He was like, I mean I've.
<v Speaker 2>Seen Herbie goes bananas? Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>Is is that what? He said?
<v Speaker 2>No?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's me, But I mean that's that was kind
<v Speaker 1>of his That was kind of his take. He said,
<v Speaker 1>this is his quote. It just wasn't very frightening. It's
<v Speaker 1>a cute little car. Yeah. The reason that Stephen King,
<v Speaker 1>by the way, used this plymouth fury is that he
<v Speaker 1>felt like it had been under used in cinema and literature.
<v Speaker 1>He's like, this is a really cool car. Then nobody
<v Speaker 1>seems to mention.
<v Speaker 2>The giant fins in the back.
<v Speaker 1>This is the biggest fins for the smallest car. But
<v Speaker 1>it was a sweet little ride.
<v Speaker 2>I did hear John Carpenter say that he had seen
<v Speaker 2>Dual Yeah, by Steven Spielberg, and he's like, now, those
<v Speaker 2>trucks were scary.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you got a big monster truck.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But this cool little cherry red convertible thing right
<v Speaker 2>here not that scary, right, But he gave it his best, Sean,
<v Speaker 2>and I thought he did make it scary.
<v Speaker 1>It'd be like trying to make a like a baby
<v Speaker 1>doll scarier. Wait a minute, that's right. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And so the interesting thing I think John Carpenter takes
<v Speaker 2>this movie as a paycheck.
<v Speaker 1>Guys, please go back last season and check out o
<v Speaker 1>comparison of Blade Runner, Et and The Thing. And one
<v Speaker 1>of the key stories that most people know from that
<v Speaker 1>is that The Thing was a box office failure and
<v Speaker 1>probably would not have been but for.
<v Speaker 2>Et come out two weeks before the same thing happened
<v Speaker 2>a Blade Runner.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And you talk about three movies that are revered from
<v Speaker 2>the eighties, Yeah, we talked about it. The Thing maybe
<v Speaker 2>the best horror movie of the nineteen eighties. Yeah, Blade
<v Speaker 2>Runner the best science fiction movie of the eighties and
<v Speaker 2>et maybe the best family movie the eighties.
<v Speaker 1>So have you seen Video Drum? Yes, okay, did you
<v Speaker 1>like it? No, it hasn't got that cult status.
<v Speaker 2>Seat Now I did like seeing Deborah Harry vamping it
<v Speaker 2>up a little bit.
<v Speaker 1>But so Cronenberg had done Videodrome and had already gotten
<v Speaker 1>signed on to do The Dead Zone before it came out,
<v Speaker 1>and so it gets released while he's in the midst
<v Speaker 1>of directing The Dead Zone and is a dismal failure.
<v Speaker 1>Now Carpenter had said, okay, I want to do Firestarter.
<v Speaker 1>He had another movie that he was working as well,
<v Speaker 1>but he's right, I'm going to go do Firestarter. But
<v Speaker 1>then the thing comes out and it is this box
<v Speaker 1>office bomb, and so they're like, maybe we don't do
<v Speaker 1>that with John Carpenter right now, and so DeLay's well skepticism. Well,
<v Speaker 1>here's the thing with fire Starter with John Carpenter.
<v Speaker 2>They said, we'll keep you, but we're cutting your budget
<v Speaker 2>in half, and he's like, no, yeah, no, I can't
<v Speaker 2>do that.
<v Speaker 1>So Richard Corbett's the producer of Salem's Lot who has
<v Speaker 1>Christine and is wanting to make it a movie comes
<v Speaker 1>back to him again and he's like, hey, I've still
<v Speaker 1>got this property. They had worked together on a Tea
<v Speaker 1>TV movie called Someone's Watching Me. But Carpenter is like,
<v Speaker 1>I'm stuck. I have to have a job. I can't.
<v Speaker 1>You know, I've got a family to feed, you know,
<v Speaker 1>I got to do something. And so he's like, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>I'll do it.
<v Speaker 2>He's to be married to Adrian Barbo, by the way,
<v Speaker 2>at this point or ever ever, yes, he was.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if they weren't married, they were very I think
<v Speaker 1>probably at this point they were probably married because remember
<v Speaker 1>she was the sole female cast member of the thing.
<v Speaker 1>She was the voice on the computer.
<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's exactly right. Yeah, I've got Adrian Barbo.
<v Speaker 2>You think those boob are gonna hang around?
<v Speaker 1>I got Burt Reynolds staring down.
<v Speaker 2>Her shirt all day long.
<v Speaker 1>I gotta to bring home the Captain. Chaos is hanging
<v Speaker 1>around a little bit. So Carpenter says, Okay, I'll do it.
<v Speaker 1>I don't like the script. Let's bring on Bill Phillips.
<v Speaker 1>And so Bill Phillips is the one that gives us
<v Speaker 1>this script. So if you're if you're hearing Bill Phillips,
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, who is that again? It's not Lawrence Casten,
<v Speaker 1>It's not right. It's a big name that you recognized.
<v Speaker 1>The only movie that he had done before this movie
<v Speaker 1>was a movie called Summer Solstice, which was a TV movie. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea what that is. So why did
<v Speaker 1>Carpenter pick him?
<v Speaker 2>Because he had worked with him on Firestarter?
<v Speaker 1>Right, they had been working together on Firestarter, and so
<v Speaker 1>he was like, Okay, that's not that project is not
<v Speaker 1>moving forward. I have another Stephen King. He's done good
<v Speaker 1>work with Stephen King. Let's bring this guy on it.
<v Speaker 1>See what he does.
<v Speaker 2>That's right.
<v Speaker 1>I don't think the dialogue is bad in this. I
<v Speaker 1>don't think the writing is bad. I think it's it's
<v Speaker 1>kind of where it needs to be. So I'm a
<v Speaker 1>little surprised that Bill Phillips has really done. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>he's got a large body of work, but it's like
<v Speaker 1>all TV movies and teleplays.
<v Speaker 2>Honest, not a lot of stuff I recognized.
<v Speaker 1>So Bill Phillips produces a decent script. Carpenter's onto direct
<v Speaker 1>so that he can rehabilitate his reputation. And there's just
<v Speaker 1>one more key ingredient that needs to happen, and that
<v Speaker 1>is special effects. Unfortunately, he had just finished a movie
<v Speaker 1>called The Thing with a guy named Roy arbur cost
<v Speaker 1>Close encounters are the third kind the Thing, and now
<v Speaker 1>we're about to see what he can do with a car.
<v Speaker 2>They do some amazing things with this car.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. Okay, so you're ready to talk casting.
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk casting. Okay, Yeah, let's let's look back over
<v Speaker 2>to Kujo. Okay, when we talk about Kujo, you got
<v Speaker 2>to start with d Wallace d Walls Stone, right, right,
<v Speaker 2>So she had just played Elliott's mother from E T. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>she's really the mom of the nineteen eighties.
<v Speaker 1>Right for me for sure, Like I totally totally identify
<v Speaker 1>her with a mother figure in my head for sure.
<v Speaker 2>And et yep, Kujo secret admirer. One of my favorites
<v Speaker 2>The Howling, The Howling.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not that she's a mom in that, but right
<v Speaker 1>memorable carrying part. Yeah, critters, critters, I can't believe.
<v Speaker 2>Of course I did. And so she's in it to
<v Speaker 2>play Donna Tritton. Now in the book, you know, she's
<v Speaker 2>slumming around with this guy. She's having this affair and
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of this.
<v Speaker 1>He was the guy who was in the howling with her.
<v Speaker 2>I know, well that's it's her real life husband. Ah right, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's right. I thought that was kind of cool.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, he passed away at only fifty five
<v Speaker 1>when he died.
<v Speaker 2>She does a great job as the mother. I just
<v Speaker 2>don't see her as the sex kitten.
<v Speaker 1>Well, and that's not the way that she plays it.
<v Speaker 1>I mean she's got a long, not form fitting red nightgown.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, buttoned up all.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's really like June Cleaver having an affair,
<v Speaker 1>is what it was? What it seems like, right, it
<v Speaker 1>is right, And you don't even really completely realize what's
<v Speaker 1>going on until she puts her panties on, that's right,
<v Speaker 1>which you don't see because the nightgown goes all the
<v Speaker 1>way to her ankles.
<v Speaker 2>They actually do a pretty cool job of like slow
<v Speaker 2>revealing that you're like, wait a minute, what she's getting
<v Speaker 2>out of bed with that guy? Yeah, she's holding her panties.
<v Speaker 2>What the heck is going on here?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>I'm offended for Vic, right, and so Vic Vic Trentton,
<v Speaker 2>her husband, the guy who is driving around the nice
<v Speaker 2>car while she has the piece of crap pinto which takes.
<v Speaker 1>Any this week I'm watching this movie, and I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>she's having an affair. And then I'm like, he's driving
<v Speaker 1>a Jag and she's driving a Pinto, and I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking these things up right now, Ladies and gentlemen,
<v Speaker 1>from the same dealership, you can get a nineteen seventies
<v Speaker 1>model Jag for one hundred and nineteen thousand dollars, or
<v Speaker 1>you can get a nineteen seventies Pinto for eighty five
<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars.
<v Speaker 2>No wonder if she's having an affair.
<v Speaker 1>Exactly having an affair too.
<v Speaker 2>So Vic Trenton is played by Daniel Hugh Kelly. He
<v Speaker 2>was from soap operas and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I pointed out to you that he was later
<v Speaker 1>after this in Hardcastle and McCormick.
<v Speaker 2>That's right. Dee Wallace said he was really nervous. He
<v Speaker 2>saw this as his big break and so he really
<v Speaker 2>wanted to be good and so he kind of leaned
<v Speaker 2>on her, and you know, she's a movie star.
<v Speaker 1>So he did a good job in this, and I mean,
<v Speaker 1>he's an interesting looking guy. He's a handsome guy. I'm
<v Speaker 1>really surprised that he kind of just went back into
<v Speaker 1>TV after and maybe that's was his choice. I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>but I'm surprised he didn't have a bigger movie career
<v Speaker 1>after this.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he did a good job. Then, of course you've
<v Speaker 2>got Danny Pintero, which we talked about, who plays Tad. Now,
<v Speaker 2>Tad in this movie is a six year old boy. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>who's incredibly annoying the entire time.
<v Speaker 1>See you say that, and he's supposed to be.
<v Speaker 2>He is supposed to be.
<v Speaker 1>He's supposed to be. I mean, I genuinely think that
<v Speaker 1>for a six year old, this kid gave the performance
<v Speaker 1>of a life. Did I mean it is because at
<v Speaker 1>no point am I thinking this is just an actor
<v Speaker 1>fake in this. I'm thinking this is exactly what a
<v Speaker 1>six year old. This is exactly how they would react
<v Speaker 1>if all of this was going on, no doubt, And
<v Speaker 1>just I didn't mention this before. I didn't see any
<v Speaker 1>of these movies at the time they came out. I
<v Speaker 1>saw Christine I Believe in the nineties, and I saw
<v Speaker 1>Kujo and The Dead Zone. Within the last two weeks,
<v Speaker 1>I was looking, you know, I looked up Danny Peturo
<v Speaker 1>to see I was like, oh, who's the boss kid?
<v Speaker 1>Of course, right yea? And I looked at how old
<v Speaker 1>he was. He was literally, he's literally likes than six
<v Speaker 1>months younger than I am. At the time that Kujo
<v Speaker 1>came out, I was the same age as this kid,
<v Speaker 1>and you were incredibly annoying, probably so whining and fussing
<v Speaker 1>and watch your daddy. Yeah right, by the way. I
<v Speaker 1>know that we're not there yet, but that scene, Lewis
<v Speaker 1>Tigue talked about cutting. They saw it and it was
<v Speaker 1>such a you know, uh whoa we don't want to
<v Speaker 1>hate the yeah, we don't character, And Dee Wallace was like, no,
<v Speaker 1>this is this is exactly how a parent would react
<v Speaker 1>because at some point, even though you love these kids,
<v Speaker 1>you're in a situation where the stress builds and builds
<v Speaker 1>and builds in it just comes out like a volcano. Yeah, yep,
<v Speaker 1>she erupted, Yep, she erupted. Okay, And then you've got
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you've got some side characters. But you know,
<v Speaker 1>Christopher Stone we talked about he is Steve. That's the
<v Speaker 1>guy she's having an affair with. Huh.
<v Speaker 2>He's vised tennis buddy, backstabbing tennis buddy, kind of handyman
<v Speaker 2>around town, the sheriff. And Kujo that's killed. His name's
<v Speaker 2>George Bannerman. Okay, so Sandy Ward plays George Bannerman I
<v Speaker 2>mentioned earlier. Kujo actually kills him when he goes out
<v Speaker 2>to check on a lead to find Donna and Tad
<v Speaker 2>finds them. Of course there he also finds a disgusty, nasty,
<v Speaker 2>crazy dog and gets killed. That's the same guy from
<v Speaker 2>the Dead Zone.
<v Speaker 1>He's oh, the character is the same character.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the character is played by Tom Scarrett in the
<v Speaker 2>Dead Zone. Yeah, and he and Johnny Smith are walking
<v Speaker 2>around trying to find the serial killer. But you have
<v Speaker 2>thirteen different Saint Bernard dogs.
<v Speaker 1>Well, you had Billy Jacoby as Brett Camber, the kid
<v Speaker 1>who's he's been in quite a few things.
<v Speaker 2>He had, he's the brother in just one of the
<v Speaker 2>guys about that.
<v Speaker 1>The pervy little that's a great part for him. I know,
<v Speaker 1>right that he was in Parker Lewis, Can't Lose and
<v Speaker 1>a ton of other stuff.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you're right, he was speckled throughout the eighties. But
<v Speaker 2>then you have thirteen different dogs who play Kujo. Well, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>And that's the funny thing is that nobody can tell
<v Speaker 2>you exactly how many dogs, Like everybody remembers a different
<v Speaker 2>number of dogs, right, and you had real dogs at
<v Speaker 2>least five of those.
<v Speaker 1>You had mechanical dogs. You had a guy in a
<v Speaker 1>dog suit.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, that's right.
<v Speaker 1>And there's a great picture, like behind the scenes picture
<v Speaker 1>of d Wallace and I think it was Lewis Tigue
<v Speaker 1>and the guy and the dogs doing like a but
<v Speaker 1>you know, like.
<v Speaker 2>A high kick.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like the chorus girl kick. It's it's pretty good.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's funny. One of the issues they actually had
<v Speaker 2>on set is that Saint Bernard's are super friendly dogs, right,
<v Speaker 2>super friendly. They're like dealing with the labor retrouver. Now,
<v Speaker 2>they'll do what you take, you say, but they'll wag
<v Speaker 2>their tail to the entire time.
<v Speaker 1>Right.
<v Speaker 2>They had to tie down his tail so it would wag.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then.
<v Speaker 2>You know, getting them to bark, and you know they're
<v Speaker 2>they're teasing it with a toy and he's trying to
<v Speaker 2>get the toy through the window. And they had to
<v Speaker 2>put this egg white and sugar, you know, concoction all
<v Speaker 2>over the dog's face and you had to film quick
<v Speaker 2>because the dog would spend the next ten minutes licking
<v Speaker 2>it all off their face.
<v Speaker 1>Right. The animal control guy is named Gary Morgan. When
<v Speaker 1>he got the job, he was like a Saint Bernard,
<v Speaker 1>you mean, the ones that rescue people in the Alps
<v Speaker 1>with a little whiskey barrel underneath their gin. The sweet, kind, lovable, fuzzy.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, Tad has a Saint Bernard doll in
<v Speaker 1>his room, you can see it. But he's like, they
<v Speaker 1>don't really train those dogs. How about we do it Doberman.
<v Speaker 1>Doberman's are mean and easily trained, and they're like, it's
<v Speaker 1>going to be a Saint Bernard.
<v Speaker 2>And she's already made the man in the costume over.
<v Speaker 1>Here, and so yeah, so he had to he had
<v Speaker 1>to figure out how to train half a dozen or
<v Speaker 1>so real dogs that they had. But they said he
<v Speaker 1>was just a genius about it. His daughter, I think,
<v Speaker 1>is doing animal stuff in movies now, Teresa Morgan, you.
<v Speaker 2>Know I told you I watched some videos on rabies. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and so it's a it's a neurological disease. One of
<v Speaker 2>the things I learned about is that there's this barrier
<v Speaker 2>that some viruses can get into your brain, and once
<v Speaker 2>it gets in there, your body's immune system can't fight it.
<v Speaker 2>I saw raccoons with rabies and I could not stop
<v Speaker 2>laughing because they're trying to capture him in a trash
<v Speaker 2>dumpster and stuff, and they are going bananas and they're
<v Speaker 2>foaming at the mouth and they're aggressive and they're attacking it.
<v Speaker 2>But I saw a skunk. He couldn't stand up, he
<v Speaker 2>was falling over, and Kujo looks nothing like any of
<v Speaker 2>these animals.
<v Speaker 1>So well, you and you would talk to me about
<v Speaker 1>how in the book you actually get you get the
<v Speaker 1>Saint Bernard's get Kujo's perspective on it, like you're he's
<v Speaker 1>he is lovable. Like they start the movie with a
<v Speaker 1>very lovable Disney esque kind of scene where he's chasing
<v Speaker 1>this rabbit around in the green field and it's all
<v Speaker 1>pretty and warm. But you said in the book, like
<v Speaker 1>you see his mental deterioration as he kind of narrates
<v Speaker 1>his perspectives.
<v Speaker 2>True, It's true. He looks at the man and the
<v Speaker 2>boy and he recognizes them and loves them, and he
<v Speaker 2>wants to be a good boy. And the real villain
<v Speaker 2>of this story is the virus. Okay, So let's talk
<v Speaker 2>about casting for The Dead Zone. Okay. So on The
<v Speaker 2>Dead Zone they hire the amazing Christopher Walking to play
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Smith. Do you know who Stephen King wanted to
<v Speaker 2>play this role.
<v Speaker 1>Now, Bill Murray, I could see that. How about that?
<v Speaker 1>I could see that. I mean, Christopher Walking has got
<v Speaker 1>a creepiness that Bill doesn't have. I think that baby
<v Speaker 1>Bill would have probably been a little too lovable. But no,
<v Speaker 1>I could see him. I could see him doing that.
<v Speaker 2>Hey, you know when we talk about the alternate video store,
<v Speaker 2>we could go rent these movies and the alternate universe.
<v Speaker 2>This is one of those. At the top of my list.
<v Speaker 2>I want to see Bill Murray as Johnny Smith. And
<v Speaker 2>you know, the whole premise of this book came about
<v Speaker 2>from Stephen King's question, could I make an assassin a
<v Speaker 2>good guy? And he does? Right?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, he does.
<v Speaker 2>And who is more lovable than Bill Murray, asked Chevy Chase.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he'll tell you. But David Cronenberg he wanted
<v Speaker 2>Nicholas Campbell to be the lead to play with Johnny Smith.
<v Speaker 2>Nicholas Campbell was the lead from the movie The Brood,
<v Speaker 2>which was a David Cronenberg movie. Uh huh, And so
<v Speaker 2>they had worked together before and He's like, how about
<v Speaker 2>this guy? And they're like, we don't know who that is, right,
<v Speaker 2>And so he hired him. He's the guy who plays
<v Speaker 2>Frank Dot Oh yeah, okay, I got you. Yeah, that's right.
<v Speaker 2>Brook Adams plays Sarah in this so pretty.
<v Speaker 1>I think she's just got a very genuinely pretty face,
<v Speaker 1>great cheekbones.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's pretty and lovable and you can see her
<v Speaker 2>as the motherly character and she vamps it up a
<v Speaker 2>little bit for Johnny and sure.
<v Speaker 1>You know I go with that. Yeah, she was an
<v Speaker 1>invasion of the Body Snatchers with Donald Sutherland. Yeah, but
<v Speaker 1>she's married to Tony Shaw. You know that is the
<v Speaker 1>guy monk Yeah, monks wings. Yes, Oh my gosh, she's
<v Speaker 1>been married to him since nineteen ninety two, so they're
<v Speaker 1>thirty one years in.
<v Speaker 2>Now, apparently there's a WWF wrestler name Brook Adams major
<v Speaker 2>hot too.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So then you've got Tom Scarett, who plays George Bannerman.
<v Speaker 2>We talked about him already. That's Viper from Top Gun. Yes, right, Yes,
<v Speaker 2>they originally wanted hal Holbrook to play that character, right,
<v Speaker 2>which I thought that was pretty cool.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how Holbrook had just finished up with Creep Show
<v Speaker 1>from that's righting, right.
<v Speaker 2>That's right. This is one of the ones that I
<v Speaker 2>find really interesting. Herbert Lohm plays Sam Weezak.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's the doctor.
<v Speaker 2>He's Johnny's friend, he's Johnny's doctor.
<v Speaker 1>Man.
<v Speaker 2>He is so lovable in this. And he is the
<v Speaker 2>bumbling nothing goes right inspector from the Pink Panther movies.
<v Speaker 1>Right, and he's the inspector or commissioner.
<v Speaker 2>He's chief Inspector Dreyfuss. He is so frickin funny in
<v Speaker 2>the Pink Panther movies and in this he's just totally
<v Speaker 2>just a lovable doctor. Yeah, he's the one that goes crazy.
<v Speaker 2>He's always trying to kill clues out.
<v Speaker 1>You can't get rid of him. Got to kill him,
<v Speaker 1>that's right, that's right.
<v Speaker 2>And then of course you've got Martin Sheen who plays
<v Speaker 2>Greg Stilson.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Sheen had come off he he had played
<v Speaker 1>JFK I think earlier in his career in something Okay.
<v Speaker 1>He's good as this as the slam politician. And then
<v Speaker 1>of course he goes on to be the president in
<v Speaker 1>the West Wing, which goes years and years. It's he's
<v Speaker 1>good in that in that spot.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I saw an interview with Stephen King and he
<v Speaker 2>was comparing Greg Stillson to Donald Trump in the interview
<v Speaker 2>that I watched. He takes a lot of credit for
<v Speaker 2>forecasting this sort of snake oil salesman who rises to
<v Speaker 2>the White House, you know, right, kind of interesting. All right,
<v Speaker 2>So that about wraps up the cast for the Dead Zone. Yep, okay,
<v Speaker 2>let's flip over to Christine.
<v Speaker 1>Sounds good, started up? Her name is Christine? Okay.
<v Speaker 2>So the main actor in Christine is a guy named
<v Speaker 2>Keith Gordon.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he plays Ernie Cunningham or Cuntingham if you're a
<v Speaker 1>school bully.
<v Speaker 2>That's right. If you'll remember we talked about this in
<v Speaker 2>our Footloose episode. They had originally hired Kevin Bacon to
<v Speaker 2>play this character.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and then he had to go. Guys, I'm sorry,
<v Speaker 1>but he had.
<v Speaker 2>To make a decision. He was our already hired to
<v Speaker 2>play Arnie for Christine when Footloots came knocking.
<v Speaker 1>How different a movie would this have been had you
<v Speaker 1>had Kevin Bacon in the Ernie Cunningham position'd be different?
<v Speaker 1>I mean he's taller, he's better looking. I don't know
<v Speaker 1>that he would pull off nerd like Ernie Cunningham does.
<v Speaker 1>I'm with you, man, I don't know how that like
<v Speaker 1>Keith Gordon does yep.
<v Speaker 2>Then you've got John Stockwell, who plays Arnie's best friend,
<v Speaker 2>Dennis Yep, Cougar from Top Gun.
<v Speaker 1>Cougar from Top Gun.
<v Speaker 2>Right, and he's been in some stuff. He was in
<v Speaker 2>my science project. I saw an interview with him. He's
<v Speaker 2>playing the jock, the football player, the cool kai in school. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he's like all that fabricated, nothing like me, totally knew
<v Speaker 2>nothing about that world.
<v Speaker 1>But I thought he pulled it off perfectly.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, he looks like the cool high school guy.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean. And the other thing is he had
<v Speaker 1>just graduated from college, so he's he's four years older.
<v Speaker 1>A lot of times, the reason the guys are popular
<v Speaker 1>is because they're bigger and more mature, and so now
<v Speaker 1>he's got that going for him. But it's interesting, both
<v Speaker 1>of these guys don't really do much acting at all anymore.
<v Speaker 1>They both become writer, producer, directors. That's right.
<v Speaker 2>I saw Keith Gordon when they were asking him about
<v Speaker 2>this character. Yeah, he initially took it. He's like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>this is my chance to play doctor Jackyll and mister Ryde.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that was really cool, you know, a great way
<v Speaker 2>of looking at it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he goes through a major transformation and he and
<v Speaker 1>he is, I mean, he to me is more goof
<v Speaker 1>more goofy looking, more nerdy looking, but he still kind
<v Speaker 1>of pulls off the cool kid when he does start
<v Speaker 1>you know, when he makes his change. Yeah, when he
<v Speaker 1>becomes Doctor Jekyll, he kind of he kind of pulls
<v Speaker 1>off the coolness.
<v Speaker 2>By the way. Keith Gordon Thornton Millen's son and back
<v Speaker 2>to school, yes, Jason, Yeah, the guy who is wants
<v Speaker 2>to be on the diving team.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay.
<v Speaker 2>And then you've got the beautiful Alexandra Paul Yes, who
<v Speaker 2>is nineteen when she was hired to do this.
<v Speaker 1>This is her first kind of big deal. Was not
<v Speaker 1>significantly trained as an actress, said she'd never read, never
<v Speaker 1>read a Stephen King book before, but read this one
<v Speaker 1>when she got the part so that she could get
<v Speaker 1>a kind of deeper understanding of the character.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. She's so beautiful that I struggled to see Arnie
<v Speaker 2>and her together, and I know that's part of the Well, just.
<v Speaker 1>Keep in mind she was kind of the homely one
<v Speaker 1>on Baywatch, so there's a maybe there.
<v Speaker 2>She's homely then you know, well, I.
<v Speaker 1>Mean when you're standing next to and they're running. I
<v Speaker 1>like to watch it when they're running.
<v Speaker 2>He is thinking about the running.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, mean oh man, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Donnaderico, Oh gosh, Cameron or common Electra and yeah, so anyway, yes,
<v Speaker 2>but but for this, for nineteen year o, yes, she
<v Speaker 2>is stunning.
<v Speaker 1>However, you got Kelly freaking Preston knocking on your door
<v Speaker 1>begging you, right, and and you're like whatever, what what?
<v Speaker 2>I I she is totally wasted in this.
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, she's so well But I I think
<v Speaker 1>that that was their intent because I know, I mean,
<v Speaker 1>I know looking back that there were girls in high
<v Speaker 1>school who were gorgeous who I just didn't look at
<v Speaker 1>because of some reason that I can't explain at this point.
<v Speaker 1>Who Now, I'm like, ah, she was so unto me
<v Speaker 1>and I was such an idiot back.
<v Speaker 2>It's probably because she's a sophomore and you're a senior
<v Speaker 2>or something dumb like.
<v Speaker 1>That, right, right, And so I think you're the idea
<v Speaker 1>was You're you're feeling the same way where you're like
<v Speaker 1>you want to grab you want to grab Dennis by
<v Speaker 1>the by his letterman jacket and go, what's wrong with you?
<v Speaker 2>She's begging you to ask her out? Yeah, So she's Roseanne.
<v Speaker 2>She's a friend of Dennis, and she like makes googly
<v Speaker 2>eyes at him, and then we leave her. We never
<v Speaker 2>see her again, nothing ever happens.
<v Speaker 1>Well, you see her on the sideline as a cheerleader,
<v Speaker 1>and even though she is in rather a bulky kind
<v Speaker 1>of sweater thing, she still looks amazing. Kelly Preston, Happy
<v Speaker 1>birthday today. By the way, we're recording on the October thirteenth,
<v Speaker 1>her birthday.
<v Speaker 2>If you want to hear us, goat got a little
<v Speaker 2>more about Kelly Preston. Go back to our tw episode.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the last thing about that movie.
<v Speaker 2>You also have Robert Prosky, who plays Will the garage owner.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we just got done talking about Last Action Hero.
<v Speaker 1>He was the movie operator.
<v Speaker 2>Ticket taker, and he's also the one of the guys
<v Speaker 2>in the Great Outdoors and he's also like the TV
<v Speaker 2>production guy and missus doubtfire.
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you want those kids kissing him? Why not?
<v Speaker 1>He's just old. He's been dead for an hour.
<v Speaker 2>And then you've got Harry Dean Stanton.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, good old Harry Dean Stanton from Alien and a
<v Speaker 1>million other things where he's a bad guy but he
<v Speaker 1>hit John Carpenter up and he was like, I don't
<v Speaker 1>want to play a bad guy King.
<v Speaker 2>He's awesome, man.
<v Speaker 1>He does a great job as a cop in this one.
<v Speaker 1>Very good. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>You might remember him from Red Dawn where he's telling
<v Speaker 2>the boys to avenge me. Okay, a couple of guys
<v Speaker 2>I want to mention before we leave this. But you
<v Speaker 2>have William Ostrander, who plays Buddy.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>We talked about how he looks exactly like a seventies
<v Speaker 2>era bully.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Like, there was a guy who lived next door
<v Speaker 1>who is one of those guys for me, you know,
<v Speaker 1>always leaned over his hood of his I can't remember.
<v Speaker 1>I think it was a Camaro blue Camaro, seventies model
<v Speaker 1>Camaro and just was a piece of crap, just an
<v Speaker 1>absolute had the pube stash until he was nineteen, right,
<v Speaker 1>just a crud hoole.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we all know guys like that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>We also want to mention a guy named Stephen Tash. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>he's one of Buddy's minions. He plays a guy named Richie.
<v Speaker 1>Why are we mentioning Steven Tash?
<v Speaker 2>You might remember him from a little movie called Ghostbusters.
<v Speaker 2>He's the guy at the beginning he's chewing the gum
<v Speaker 2>he's like a couple of wavy lines and he's like, Oh,
<v Speaker 2>I'm studying the effect of the effect. I'll tell you
<v Speaker 2>what the effect is. It's pissy me off. He's great
<v Speaker 2>in this as one of the little toadies.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can't forget about Roberts Blossom.
<v Speaker 2>Man, Oh, I know, right, how did I miss him?
<v Speaker 1>All right? So Roberts Blossom we all know from Home
<v Speaker 1>Alone as the guy next door, scary neighbor with a
<v Speaker 1>shovel who saves him at the end. So he plays
<v Speaker 1>the brother of Roland Lebay, George Lebay, who's selling the
<v Speaker 1>car right and is very creepy. He says he's stone dead.
<v Speaker 1>That's why.
<v Speaker 2>He's got that weird, dirty like backbrace that he.
<v Speaker 1>Wears, and he doesn't give an explanation for that.
<v Speaker 2>He is scary in this.
<v Speaker 1>That character is actually his brother's character is the one
<v Speaker 1>that's supposed to be possessing the car, but they changed
<v Speaker 1>that feature and so there are a ton of things
<v Speaker 1>like that that are different from the book to the movie.
<v Speaker 1>But we will get into all of that on our
<v Speaker 1>next episode. Okay, guys, that does it for casting. Be
<v Speaker 1>sure to come back next week. Where are going to
<v Speaker 1>talk about the distinction and differences between the books and
<v Speaker 1>the movies a little bit. We're going to talk about
<v Speaker 1>the stories that led to them, We're going to talk
<v Speaker 1>about the stories of production reception, and then we're going
<v Speaker 1>to give you our final judgment. And in addition to that,
<v Speaker 1>we've got a question, what are your three favorite Stephen
<v Speaker 1>King works that have become movies or TV series?
<v Speaker 2>Fantastic, I can't wait for you to show me. Come
<v Speaker 2>back next week.