Lea Lexis on BDSM, Gangbangs, and Finding Freedom in Porn

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<v Speaker 2>Strength. Hello, everybody, Welcome back to Holly Randall Unfiltered, My
<v Speaker 2>guest today is a performer turned award winning director who
<v Speaker 2>is championing the role of women in the director's chair
<v Speaker 2>and setting a new standard for cinematic storytelling. She's currently
<v Speaker 2>contracted with a Loo, the powerhouse behind some of the
<v Speaker 2>industry's biggest brands, including Browsers, Twistis, and Digital Playground. Her
<v Speaker 2>work blends artistry, empowerment, and unapologetic eroticism, and she's here
<v Speaker 2>to talk about how she's changing the game from the
<v Speaker 2>inside out. Welcome Leah Lexis, Hi.
<v Speaker 1>Hi, how are you good? That was beautiful good.
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad that you like to chat. GBT did a
<v Speaker 2>great job.
<v Speaker 1>It was nice.
<v Speaker 2>I put in the prompts and I said, write something
<v Speaker 2>lovely and like she's done this and this, she's award winning.
<v Speaker 2>Talk about how it's important that she is a female
<v Speaker 2>director and she works for these big brands, and just
<v Speaker 2>put it in a nice way. So but I put
<v Speaker 2>in all the nice things. Yes, it just had to
<v Speaker 2>put it out in a nice way, now you know
<v Speaker 2>my secret. How dare you AI's taking our jobs? Anyways?
<v Speaker 2>So Leah, should we start from the beginning?
<v Speaker 1>Sure?
<v Speaker 2>All right? So you have a very unique origin story
<v Speaker 2>in the industry. You were actually scouted because of your
<v Speaker 2>gymnastics background. So tell us a little bit about where
<v Speaker 2>you're from and your actual gymnastics background.
<v Speaker 1>Born and raised in Romania. M hm. So part of
<v Speaker 1>I guess cultural thing we're proud of is that we
<v Speaker 1>have good gymnastic good soccer players. So I did gymnastics
<v Speaker 1>from four years old until sixteen ish, was part of
<v Speaker 1>the national team. We did competitions. I got quite a
<v Speaker 1>few titles, but I had at that time the equivalent
<v Speaker 1>of a Facebook.
<v Speaker 2>It was high five.
<v Speaker 1>So somebody wrote to me, it's like, you can be
<v Speaker 1>a star, you can be amazing, and I was like, Ah, said,
<v Speaker 1>but no, you could be great. You should come on
<v Speaker 1>a porn set. I was like, I would never do that,
<v Speaker 1>but I do want to see a porn set.
<v Speaker 2>Ah, So you were curious, But yeah, okay.
<v Speaker 1>I worked at it like I had like a silly job,
<v Speaker 1>like a bank. I was selling Avon cosmetics and like
<v Speaker 1>bank services. I was like, I would never do that.
<v Speaker 1>But I do want to see a porn set.
<v Speaker 2>I was just curious, were you like sexual, like from
<v Speaker 2>a young age or okay, very much.
<v Speaker 1>So I felt like my mind has always wandered in
<v Speaker 1>the DSM before I could even understand it. I thought
<v Speaker 1>it was cool that all it got tied onto the
<v Speaker 1>train tracks, just didn't know why. Yeah, and later on
<v Speaker 1>all things made more sense and I was like, hmm,
<v Speaker 1>maybe that's why I like certain things.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that made more sense.
<v Speaker 1>But I got to the set and they were like
<v Speaker 1>wiping the girls feet with baby wipes and everybody was
<v Speaker 1>like buzzing around her, and I was like, oh, it's
<v Speaker 1>so different than what I thought it would be. So
<v Speaker 1>I got more interested in that environment than the porn
<v Speaker 1>itself because it was a contradiction to everything I've heard
<v Speaker 1>in Romania at that time.
<v Speaker 2>So what did you heard? Like, what were you going
<v Speaker 2>and expecting to see?
<v Speaker 1>I think it's that visual of like the gonzo porn
<v Speaker 1>we used to shoot twenty years ago. I thought it
<v Speaker 1>was that energy at all times, not knowing that there's
<v Speaker 1>in between cut. Everybody caters to the female so much
<v Speaker 1>more and the guys are just a tool into the
<v Speaker 1>the scene, not necessarily the driving force, the females the
<v Speaker 1>driving force, and on camera it got portrayed totally different.
<v Speaker 1>The guys took all the action and did everything, and
<v Speaker 1>the girl was just there being like flipped around and
<v Speaker 1>stuff done to her. She never had a say, and
<v Speaker 1>then when the camera cut, like she had all the
<v Speaker 1>say and I was like mind blown by that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was like whoa, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Because Romania is also like very like male centric. It's
<v Speaker 1>just so I was like, oh.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and so you saw that scene, So then what
<v Speaker 2>was the next step for you? Were you then considering
<v Speaker 2>getting into it or I.
<v Speaker 1>Kind of got more curious. So there was a production
<v Speaker 1>house that they rented, so I went and visited that
<v Speaker 1>house and they were shooting one seen outside. Once he inside,
<v Speaker 1>then I kind of like spent I think, like a
<v Speaker 1>weekend there, just like observing how they were doing it.
<v Speaker 1>I never felt pretty enough to do more, so I
<v Speaker 1>thought like I needed to do all the extrage net
<v Speaker 1>stick stuff. So I started doing the flips and the things,
<v Speaker 1>and they got like excited about it. I got this like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>you could do this, Like there's a place for you
<v Speaker 1>in here. You're not the prettiest girl with the biggest
<v Speaker 1>boobs or the teas blown there, but you could do this.
<v Speaker 1>It's like, okay, I think I want to do this.
<v Speaker 2>So what was the reason that you decided to do it?
<v Speaker 2>Like what was the final thing that pushed you to
<v Speaker 2>make that decision? And then how did you make that decision?
<v Speaker 2>Like did you tell your family first?
<v Speaker 1>So you just like went in and my mom found
<v Speaker 1>out by somebody bringing her a DVD copy.
<v Speaker 2>Oh.
<v Speaker 1>I was always very independent and I had my own job.
<v Speaker 1>I like moved out, so it was a little bit
<v Speaker 1>easier to not say the whole truth from the get go,
<v Speaker 1>So I kind of continued side of my job and
<v Speaker 1>continued porn so I could get away with it a
<v Speaker 1>little bit. So when she found out, she was just like,
<v Speaker 1>are you safe? Is anybody forcing you to do this?
<v Speaker 1>I was like no, So then I kind of ease
<v Speaker 1>my way into that. I can't pinpoint the reason of
<v Speaker 1>why I wanted.
<v Speaker 2>To do it.
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it was like fully because of this.
<v Speaker 1>I also just wanted to experience the different things, like
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to do this type of scene and this
<v Speaker 1>type of movie, and I wanted to travel and be like,
<v Speaker 1>let's move to Budapest. That sounds fun. I'll do this
<v Speaker 1>for a little while, and then it kind of gained momentum.
<v Speaker 1>But I never saw it as a career long term.
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted the different experiences. I remember talking to
<v Speaker 1>my friends about like glamorizing a gang bang, but like,
<v Speaker 1>how do you do a gang bank safely? Like I
<v Speaker 1>think you do it in horn Like I don't think
<v Speaker 1>go about doing it randomly.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I could never find a way to like organize that.
<v Speaker 1>It was like shameful. But like going for like a
<v Speaker 1>horn shoe, that's like a professional setting and you get
<v Speaker 1>to have that experience. It was a little bit less
<v Speaker 1>guilty feeling.
<v Speaker 2>I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah, because then you could hire professionals.
<v Speaker 2>You're on a set, your stranded by team action team,
<v Speaker 2>so like nothing could really go wrong because you were
<v Speaker 2>in an environment where everybody's working. Yeah. How quickly did
<v Speaker 2>you move into hardcore when you started shooting porn?
<v Speaker 1>Immediately? And I don't think in Europe there was any
<v Speaker 1>like negotiation. I'll just do girl girl, either you did
<v Speaker 1>it or somebody else got the job. In Europe especially
<v Speaker 1>was that mentality like if you don't do a you know,
<v Speaker 1>we're not gonna wait for you. We're just gonna book
<v Speaker 1>this Russian girl. She does it, that's why one hundred
<v Speaker 1>bucks whatever. So it was like, either you want to
<v Speaker 1>do it, you get the job. You don't want to
<v Speaker 1>do it, no problem, will book somebody else. They wouldn't
<v Speaker 1>wait for you. They weren't like career milestones. We're shooting
<v Speaker 1>the same old movie. You want to be in it? Cool?
<v Speaker 2>You don't know.
<v Speaker 1>We wouldn't even be extra really yeah interesting, like you,
<v Speaker 1>I mean like extra as a first You still get
<v Speaker 1>extra as the act itself, but not as a first, right.
<v Speaker 2>So there was no like showcase that you could wait
<v Speaker 2>for and you do all this first and get all
<v Speaker 2>his money and the marketing and.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, not for me at that time. So either
<v Speaker 1>like you want to do these movies that are booking
<v Speaker 1>for the next few months, or say you know, to
<v Speaker 1>them and somebody else. But for me as an experience,
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't like they get the money right away. It
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, I want to do that. Like working
<v Speaker 1>for the first time man Fara, I was like so amazing, yeah, yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Did you know who he was before you started working
<v Speaker 2>with him? Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I used to watch porn, I used to consume porn
<v Speaker 1>to some extent, so like seeing some of the bigger
<v Speaker 1>names at that time, like Manuel was like.
<v Speaker 2>Whoa yeah wow.
<v Speaker 1>Steve Holmes has the story that he always like says
<v Speaker 1>to everybody. He says, I remember the first time when
<v Speaker 1>I shot it, I know with you and you said,
<v Speaker 1>either you're a really good actress or you like it.
<v Speaker 2>I was like my first atal cne ever were you
<v Speaker 2>a good actress or did you like it? Like okay,
<v Speaker 2>so tell me about tell me about the first game
<v Speaker 2>bank that you did.
<v Speaker 1>Like it was a little bit now looking back, a
<v Speaker 1>little too strong in the sense it was that those
<v Speaker 1>Conzole type of days. Girls walks down the stairs in
<v Speaker 1>Stripper Hills, seized hair, makeup.
<v Speaker 2>Like this yeah the makeup, yeah, that runs at the
<v Speaker 2>end of the scene, and.
<v Speaker 1>Five eyes came from left and right. I remember there
<v Speaker 1>was one Romanian actor, Mugor. He slapped me and it
<v Speaker 1>was such a shock. I turned my head around the
<v Speaker 1>couch and I got like a disreaction of tears and
<v Speaker 1>I was like, am I cry?
<v Speaker 2>I was?
<v Speaker 1>I know, it must just because it was a shock,
<v Speaker 1>and I turned back and I like got right into it.
<v Speaker 1>But nobody asked, nobody checked it was like strong to realize,
<v Speaker 1>like the experience it wasn't what I imagine it to be.
<v Speaker 2>But right, so like looking back on that and thinking
<v Speaker 2>about how it is now, you know as a director
<v Speaker 2>must be you know, the comparison is kind of crazy.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we've been through like man, such an extreme contrast
<v Speaker 1>of the industry. Yeah, it was what else extra can
<v Speaker 1>we do to this girl? How more can we top
<v Speaker 1>from the last scene? If she's a good actress, she's
<v Speaker 1>a good born star, she will do it all and more.
<v Speaker 2>You were definitely known for like your hardcore scenes, and
<v Speaker 2>you did a lot of contortion positions as a performer.
<v Speaker 2>Is there a scene that really sticks out to you
<v Speaker 2>as like the most memorable one, whether or not it
<v Speaker 2>was something that was really difficult for you to do,
<v Speaker 2>or like a scene that was maybe the most proud
<v Speaker 2>of or just like the craziest experience.
<v Speaker 1>I used to put myself in like these positions that
<v Speaker 1>later on I would regret heavily, but I felt like
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to stand out in my own way. So
<v Speaker 1>I would be like, well, what if we do a DP.
<v Speaker 1>Well I'm in a handstand and I'll just do the
<v Speaker 1>split and the guys can like enter from the top
<v Speaker 1>like a pile driver, but I'm in split and I'll
<v Speaker 1>be like, amazing, Yeah, let's do it. And having to
<v Speaker 1>hold that while you're being pushed on and like grabbed on,
<v Speaker 1>and the guys are trying to get their edge because
<v Speaker 1>it's a difficult position they push so they're trying to
<v Speaker 1>hold onto you, so putting extra pressure on your wrists,
<v Speaker 1>on your hand, now your face is all ready they're
<v Speaker 1>like a vein popping on your Yeah, Like I should
<v Speaker 1>have kept my mouth shut. I should have done going
<v Speaker 1>all of these positions that I've wanted to do that
<v Speaker 1>they were special. Halfway through I would regret it.
<v Speaker 2>I was like, god damn, And did you get sick
<v Speaker 2>of like people asking you to always do contortion positions
<v Speaker 2>and like every single scene because I remember me and
<v Speaker 2>mel Covid telling me that because she didn't do that
<v Speaker 2>backwards being low job, and then everyone wanted it, and
<v Speaker 2>she was like at some point she was like, I
<v Speaker 2>just I don't want to do this in every scene.
<v Speaker 1>She's a very pretty girl. To me, I felt like
<v Speaker 1>I had to like that's why their booked to me,
<v Speaker 1>That's why I'm here.
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.
<v Speaker 1>So like I would like stretch before going to work.
<v Speaker 1>I would warm up or like I would like tape
<v Speaker 1>my wrist and like try to get the extra strength.
<v Speaker 1>Because I did scenes when I was like suspended in
<v Speaker 1>aerial silks. I did that in a videos and world,
<v Speaker 1>I did that in regular porn. Like anything I could
<v Speaker 1>bring extra, I was happy to do it. I didn't
<v Speaker 1>feel bad about it because I was like, that's gonna
<v Speaker 1>be special, it's going to be different. But yeah, I
<v Speaker 1>never felt bad about it. But they were more exhausting
<v Speaker 1>than yeah, than exciting pleasurable.
<v Speaker 2>Do you think that that standing handstand DP was the
<v Speaker 2>hardest scene you've ever done?
<v Speaker 1>The hardest one was a scene I deald with Stoya
<v Speaker 1>where we were probably twenty feet up in the air.
<v Speaker 1>She was on hoop and I was on silks and
<v Speaker 1>we never touched the ground. The whole scene was suspended up.
<v Speaker 2>In the air.
<v Speaker 1>But like your wrists and everything, it's like it gets tiring,
<v Speaker 1>and it's the position is good, the chemistry is good.
<v Speaker 1>You try to push through, but also there's like a
<v Speaker 1>safety factor. We were in San Francisco, the armory concrete
<v Speaker 1>on the like if you fall, you.
<v Speaker 2>Fall, so there was no crash fat or anything.
<v Speaker 1>Guess we were we can do that. They're like, okay,
<v Speaker 1>go ahead and do it. Then we did our own
<v Speaker 1>rigging because I think when you're an area list, you
<v Speaker 1>prefer to do your own rigging. Yeah, so we did
<v Speaker 1>our own rigging and we just climbed up and did
<v Speaker 1>the scene and we didn't wow that many breaks. To me,
<v Speaker 1>that was difficult to shoot. Nobody used the crane they
<v Speaker 1>were imprepped for while we were gonna do properly, so
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't look as good, but to me it was cool. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it was a very cool scene to shoot. She was
<v Speaker 1>a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've worked with story before.
<v Speaker 1>It was fun.
<v Speaker 2>What is the scene that you are like most proud of?
<v Speaker 2>Like if I know you're not shooting anymore, so if
<v Speaker 2>you look back on like your catalog of work, like
<v Speaker 2>what is the one scene or maybe movie that you
<v Speaker 2>did that you're like, that is that was my high point.
<v Speaker 1>It's a little bit of a blur because I guess
<v Speaker 1>you don't get that comes up when you're shooting the
<v Speaker 1>scene if you know it's going to do good or
<v Speaker 1>be well received, and even when it gets like let's
<v Speaker 1>say an award, you wouldn't know, like, you know, was
<v Speaker 1>it really loved or just people thought it was crazy
<v Speaker 1>enough to There's like movies, like like movies that I
<v Speaker 1>helped write or made the costumes for that I felt
<v Speaker 1>like I could bring more than just my performance that
<v Speaker 1>made me feel very good for it. Sexually, Yeah, there's
<v Speaker 1>just so many different ones. I wouldn't be able to
<v Speaker 1>like Pinpoint one. It's also almost twenty years of now
<v Speaker 1>a long time.
<v Speaker 2>Is there one brand that you shot for that you
<v Speaker 2>think like possesses the most amount of like your best work.
<v Speaker 2>Sounds like you did a lot of stuff for King.
<v Speaker 1>I did, and I I learned a lot of myself
<v Speaker 1>with King. It was also we were working and my
<v Speaker 1>team was cruel only females, and I feel like they're
<v Speaker 1>more inquisitive to find out what is it that you're
<v Speaker 1>really about versus then just getting the job done so
<v Speaker 1>camera pas like even the team at Kink, they were
<v Speaker 1>interested in you, like your passions, what triggers your spark
<v Speaker 1>of insanity, what makes you want to go fully immersed
<v Speaker 1>into a feeling? And there was a lot of fun,
<v Speaker 1>beautiful stuff there. I have good mentors there too. So
<v Speaker 1>many people who have worked at Kink have reported like
<v Speaker 1>a really good experience, which I know people from the
<v Speaker 1>outside who look at hardcore BATSM think it's the opposite.
<v Speaker 1>But it's really interesting how the behind the scenes and
<v Speaker 1>we'll get into this later, but they were really heavy
<v Speaker 1>on that consent game and the boundary checklist before Vanilla
<v Speaker 1>Porn ever went there. I've used quite a bit of
<v Speaker 1>my experience there too to kind of help and bring
<v Speaker 1>that to our sets currently. Yeah, because you see the
<v Speaker 1>effect of it. There was was all of that pushback,
<v Speaker 1>I don't care, I'm yes to everything, but don't pull
<v Speaker 1>my hair. Then that and it'd be like, it's so valuable, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>so valuable.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely. Okay, So Leah, when did you pivot from
<v Speaker 2>performing to working behind the scenes and ultimately becoming a director.
<v Speaker 1>It happened on and off through my career quite often,
<v Speaker 1>even when I was in Europe. I remember Christopher Clark,
<v Speaker 1>French director, used to work for you Will Bake Name.
<v Speaker 1>At that time. I was like, yeah, here, I remember
<v Speaker 1>you just put a camera in my hand. He was like, hey, like,
<v Speaker 1>while you're getting ready start shooting some stuff, and I
<v Speaker 1>was like, how do I start? I remember that She's like,
<v Speaker 1>spin around, and then drop the camera into what you're
<v Speaker 1>looking at. I was like cool. So I remember I
<v Speaker 1>did a little and as I'm spinning, I'm like looking
<v Speaker 1>around like ballet spin right, I'm like what am I seeing?
<v Speaker 1>What am I sitting? And I'm like dropping the camera
<v Speaker 1>up like what I'm looking at? And then the girls
<v Speaker 1>are getting ready and I'm doing like this interview part
<v Speaker 1>and I was like interesting. I was like, oh wow,
<v Speaker 1>They're like this is fun because I do like I
<v Speaker 1>love women and I have like I think porn should
<v Speaker 1>be made by perverts, so like I was like literally
<v Speaker 1>perv on them like oh that's hat if I Oh
<v Speaker 1>that's exciting, Oh that's cool, And time would pass and
<v Speaker 1>then you grab the camera like this is great, like
<v Speaker 1>thank you.
<v Speaker 2>Where do you think he singled you out for that?
<v Speaker 1>I would think that, like I've always been a hard worker,
<v Speaker 1>but I know it's more than that. But maybe something
<v Speaker 1>that I wouldn't catch on, like maybe he would see
<v Speaker 1>me like lean into this perversion. And I have like
<v Speaker 1>a similar mindset. I feel like porn kept me safe
<v Speaker 1>because if it wasn't for porn, I would wander off
<v Speaker 1>in my perversion and unsafe environments. M that's interesting, especially
<v Speaker 1>like where I come from, Like you can't necessarily be
<v Speaker 1>a lesbian, you can necessarily want to have sex with
<v Speaker 1>multiple men or because you would be pushed away by society.
<v Speaker 1>So now you have this like frustration sexual frustration that's
<v Speaker 1>wondering crazy in your mind. So in a way, that
<v Speaker 1>kept me safe, Like it was like fun and celebrated
<v Speaker 1>to be a purve.
<v Speaker 2>You were in like this community that accepted you.
<v Speaker 1>And more than that, you felt good because they were
<v Speaker 1>like giving you like just this praise. Oh yeah, that's great.
<v Speaker 1>More of that great?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So okay, so he so he started shooting some bts.
<v Speaker 2>So where did that take you?
<v Speaker 1>I actually ended up doing wardrobe for some of the
<v Speaker 1>stuff as well. Maybe again and like tight into my
<v Speaker 1>love of like women and like beauty in the sense
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to dress them and then it would be
<v Speaker 1>really cool to be behind the camera and see them
<v Speaker 1>undress I've made for them. So I did that. I
<v Speaker 1>helped with production management. I would book certain things, like
<v Speaker 1>I get there were like a few Romanian girls that
<v Speaker 1>were we were a gang. We all like lived together.
<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, you know such and such, Absolutely, I'll
<v Speaker 1>contact I'll get my manager in place, and we will
<v Speaker 1>like book a movie. So I think that kind of
<v Speaker 1>fell naturally into place like production management. So while you
<v Speaker 1>were there, I would like to make a cool dress
<v Speaker 1>for her. What would you dress her in? We could
<v Speaker 1>shoot her at this location. And it like took a
<v Speaker 1>natural turn, Like I never thought I would do that job,
<v Speaker 1>but I kept on doing the job in one form
<v Speaker 1>or another.
<v Speaker 2>So it just became like a natural progression. And then
<v Speaker 2>how did you end up here in the US directing
<v Speaker 2>for a.
<v Speaker 1>Low I directed for a few different companies before. So
<v Speaker 1>I came here with a different company that was established
<v Speaker 1>in Budapest, was run by Romanian director, but I still,
<v Speaker 1>you know, help and like book certain things. So I
<v Speaker 1>came here with that company and he was also directing
<v Speaker 1>for Evil Angel, so he asked me to drop off
<v Speaker 1>a hard drive at Evil. So I go drop a
<v Speaker 1>hard drive at Evil and I have a hat on
<v Speaker 1>and John stall Janovich is always like are youly? Alexis
<v Speaker 1>so my god, you know it's going to do this
<v Speaker 1>movie with you or we do contortion and gymnastics, and
<v Speaker 1>I was like amazing. So like I got to work
<v Speaker 1>more for different companies and I ended up working with
<v Speaker 1>Evil quite a bit, like quite a few years, and
<v Speaker 1>I worked with John closely on like a few bigger movies.
<v Speaker 1>We did Voracious together, like we shut it in like
<v Speaker 1>three countries and we traveled around and we did cool stuff.
<v Speaker 1>I worked with Jason and I helped him with production
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. We went to Romania and we shot
<v Speaker 1>like different movies there. So I kept on getting pulled in.
<v Speaker 1>I never thought like I would be like, I'll go
<v Speaker 1>to America and now knock at some doors and hope
<v Speaker 1>they get me out. People would like recognize me, and
<v Speaker 1>I was like shocking to me, but also flattering, like
<v Speaker 1>I want to do this movie with you. I was
<v Speaker 1>like that's amazing, Like of course, and I'll stay another
<v Speaker 1>few months and I'll go back and come back in
<v Speaker 1>and be like, well, we're going to do this movie.
<v Speaker 1>So I stayed in another few months, kind of like
<v Speaker 1>always always called me back in For a while. I
<v Speaker 1>thought I was going to stop, and I started my
<v Speaker 1>clothing line and they'll be like, do you want to
<v Speaker 1>do this movie?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>Do this movie. So I kept on being pulled in.
<v Speaker 1>Then at King Bobby Starr gave me, gave me my
<v Speaker 1>directing door, and I said you should you should direct
<v Speaker 1>this movie and you should work on the type of things.
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh my god, amazing, I would love to.
<v Speaker 1>And then from that we took like a few different
<v Speaker 1>other websites. There was like the Girl Gol website and
<v Speaker 1>the Gang Bang website, then a few different ones in
<v Speaker 1>that group. Tony reebas Uh brought me into the Ala
<v Speaker 1>world as his makeup and production manager, and then Alo
<v Speaker 1>gave me the chance and was.
<v Speaker 2>Like, so you did make up too. I didn't make
<v Speaker 2>up for a few years. Everything a few years because
<v Speaker 2>I had forgotten that you did wardrobe, because I remember
<v Speaker 2>I think Shari told me that one year for AVN,
<v Speaker 2>like I think we were doing something. She was like,
<v Speaker 2>oh I got to go see Liah. She's like designing
<v Speaker 2>my dress or something. I'm like, she makes wardrobe like that.
<v Speaker 1>For eight years, eight or nine years, I did dressing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and then you did make up too. Didn't
<v Speaker 2>make up too. Is there anything you don't do?
<v Speaker 1>It's away things I don't know. Well that I like
<v Speaker 1>to talk about the social media, the worst that is
<v Speaker 1>in the world out there.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's a lot. It's a lot. Okay. So
<v Speaker 2>so then you were doing uh, makeup and production for
<v Speaker 2>Tony and then you and then how did that? Because
<v Speaker 2>I remember, like the first time I started seeing you
<v Speaker 2>regularly was during COVID when we started having those meetings
<v Speaker 2>with when it was at my Geek at the time,
<v Speaker 2>and we started having the meetings about like actually kind
<v Speaker 2>of about like the boundary checklist that we were starting
<v Speaker 2>to bring in, and you were giving a lot of
<v Speaker 2>feedback on how that would work, you know, having been
<v Speaker 2>a model and having that very valuable perspective.
<v Speaker 1>I think during COVID there was that time when we
<v Speaker 1>were first enough to stand still to look at what's
<v Speaker 1>going on, yeah, and spend time on social media, and
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know a lot of these stories that were
<v Speaker 1>coming up.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Like in a way though, like it's when I interview
<v Speaker 1>people to hire them, or I talk to other people,
<v Speaker 1>like what's your motivation? What do you want to be here?
<v Speaker 1>And then people ask me that. Then I was like,
<v Speaker 1>what is my motivation? I've never asked myself that because
<v Speaker 1>I've always went with the flow and let's do bigger things,
<v Speaker 1>let's do better things, keep going, And I said my motivation.
<v Speaker 1>I think it was kind of in that COVID moment
<v Speaker 1>when it became so clear to me deeper story. We
<v Speaker 1>were sitting on a meeting during COVID for distribution with
<v Speaker 1>another director that used to work for a bigger company
<v Speaker 1>that put me in like the most uncomfortable situations for
<v Speaker 1>a very long time. And I remember sitting down at
<v Speaker 1>this meeting across from this person going like, that's my motivation.
<v Speaker 1>You won't do everything that you did to me, Like,
<v Speaker 1>that's my motivation. We're going to change it in such
<v Speaker 1>a way that we can. It still gets me. We
<v Speaker 1>will change it and it will become like it will
<v Speaker 1>become powerful for people to know you'll still be successful
<v Speaker 1>if you don't go with like this environment. Because I
<v Speaker 1>was questioning it at that time as like he was
<v Speaker 1>putting pressure to be like is this normal? Like it's
<v Speaker 1>poorn after all, so maybe it is normal. He is
<v Speaker 1>being very nice to me. He's booking me for so
<v Speaker 1>many movies. You see what I do for you. I
<v Speaker 1>booked you again and again and again.
<v Speaker 2>So he's pressuring you for like sexual favor.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I never gave in in that sense. But
<v Speaker 1>what I feel bad in my mind about it is
<v Speaker 1>that I was negotiating with myself to be like he
<v Speaker 1>is nice to me, he is booking me on so
<v Speaker 1>many movies. I don't want to go and see it
<v Speaker 1>because you'd be like, see, I booked you again. You're
<v Speaker 1>supposed to like, but look everything I do for you,
<v Speaker 1>I put you in all of these big movies, and
<v Speaker 1>you're not going to do this? Yeah, what kind of
<v Speaker 1>person are you? And I'm like, I am a bad person?
<v Speaker 1>Just porn after all, I should probably.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like I have sex for a living, Like exactly
<v Speaker 2>why wouldn't yeah, like, why wouldn't.
<v Speaker 1>This be a big deal?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>And I felt wrong about it. And I've always been
<v Speaker 1>in long term relationships and I was like, it feels
<v Speaker 1>wrong to my relationship. But then it was like that
<v Speaker 1>dynamic that I was like, I just don't want the
<v Speaker 1>movie anymore. I just go make the movie. It's a
<v Speaker 1>big movie. You'll be good for you. Damn I don't
<v Speaker 1>want it to it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So like that's why, like I felt like my motivation
<v Speaker 1>riding that COVID time, I was like, that's why I'm
<v Speaker 1>doing this because there's people like this still around and
<v Speaker 1>we can still make porn and we can still do good.
<v Speaker 1>And to this day, so many girls come to me
<v Speaker 1>and be like Lee, I want your career path. And
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, that's why, Like we can make cool movies,
<v Speaker 1>but we can still not feel so dirty and guilty
<v Speaker 1>and ashamed about it. And I have this like heart
<v Speaker 1>of like a little flea in your chest when you
<v Speaker 1>walk on set, you'd be here. He goes again, and
<v Speaker 1>he's not busy, so he's gonna come after me. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and everybody's busy, but he's not busy, so he's gonna
<v Speaker 1>come after.
<v Speaker 2>Me right now. Yeah. Yeah, that's a horrible place to be.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they'll turn dark quick.
<v Speaker 2>No, it's okay. I have a feeling I know who
<v Speaker 2>you're talking. But of course we're not gonna say yeah,
<v Speaker 2>but I have a feeling. You know, it's crazy. I
<v Speaker 2>have a sort of similar story, but I actually never
<v Speaker 2>think about it. And this actually happened to me like
<v Speaker 2>a long time ago when I was a kid and
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I don't know, fourteen, I wanted to
<v Speaker 2>be a model, and there was this super creepy guy
<v Speaker 2>named rich who, Rich Leon who used to hang out
<v Speaker 2>Malibu and he used to shoot like young girls for
<v Speaker 2>like his portfolio, and he would tell you that he
<v Speaker 2>was going to get you on the cover of Why Am.
<v Speaker 2>That's how old I am? Young and young and modern.
<v Speaker 2>That was a magazine back in the day, Why Am,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, like a teen mag and all this
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff, and so, I mean his portfolio was
<v Speaker 2>literally like fourteen and fifteen year olds like in bikinis.
<v Speaker 2>Like looking back at it now, I'm just like, what
<v Speaker 2>the what was I thinking? Right?
<v Speaker 1>So of course he came to me, I, Holly, I CA.
<v Speaker 2>That's how we talked, Holly, I can make you alm
<v Speaker 2>modeling and god, I'll get you on the com around
<v Speaker 2>these magazines. And of course I totally felt for it,
<v Speaker 2>told my mom, and my mom was like mmmmmm so,
<v Speaker 2>but I begged her and the only way that she
<v Speaker 2>would let him shoot me was if he came to
<v Speaker 2>the house and he shot me at the house. There
<v Speaker 2>was no fucking way she was gonna let me be
<v Speaker 2>alone with him. And even then I was like, you
<v Speaker 2>can't be around, you can't watch, like I don't want
<v Speaker 2>you anywhere near it, and she was like, okay, you
<v Speaker 2>guys can be in the yard, like I won't be
<v Speaker 2>like watching, but I will be like there. And it
<v Speaker 2>was like this huge battle that I had with her
<v Speaker 2>because I was sure that she was wrong and she
<v Speaker 2>was being overprotective for no reason. And yeah, the entire
<v Speaker 2>time he was trying to get a pany shot. He
<v Speaker 2>tried to get me to take my clothes off, and
<v Speaker 2>I had this like sheer dress that had like a
<v Speaker 2>slip under, and he tried to get me to take
<v Speaker 2>my clothes off and wear only the slip that was
<v Speaker 2>completely see through. Like I mean, he was literally trying
<v Speaker 2>to get like, yeah, pornographic shots on a fourteen year
<v Speaker 2>old the whole time, and I just remember being like
<v Speaker 2>it was a horrible experience and the pictures also turned
<v Speaker 2>out so bad. And yeah, and I ended up taking
<v Speaker 2>photography classes after that, and I really so actually I
<v Speaker 2>started taking photography classes when I was twelve, so I
<v Speaker 2>must have been I must have been twelve, then I
<v Speaker 2>must have been younger, yeah, because it was around that time.
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, and I remember like feeling like I don't
<v Speaker 2>ever want anybody to feel the way that I felt
<v Speaker 2>in that moment. And this is obviously way before I
<v Speaker 2>thought I was ever going to get into porn, but
<v Speaker 2>there was a sense of that for me too, like
<v Speaker 2>that that feeling of like yeah and not knowing what
<v Speaker 2>to say.
<v Speaker 1>It sticks with you for so long.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was an awful experience, and I would still
<v Speaker 2>see him, like, up until a couple of years ago,
<v Speaker 2>i'd occasionally see him around Malibu and he doesn't recognize
<v Speaker 2>me anymore, Like that motherfucker is still still out there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like there's like these I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>necessarily character building moments, but it's like these moments that
<v Speaker 1>like fuel you and they'll give you their motivation for
<v Speaker 1>the rest of your life. Yeah, like so significant and
<v Speaker 1>course shifting for you. Yeah, I'll be like that never again.
<v Speaker 1>Because some people teach you how to and some people
<v Speaker 1>teach you how to not mm hm, and like I
<v Speaker 1>feel like these people taught us how to not again.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's interesting because I was talking to my daughter
<v Speaker 2>about teachers, and I was trying to explain to her
<v Speaker 2>that there's teachers in your there's everyone's a teacher in
<v Speaker 2>your life, but it's not like necessarily in the way
<v Speaker 2>that you think they are, right, Like, there's your teachers
<v Speaker 2>at school, but there are some people in your life
<v Speaker 2>that are to teach you how to not. Like you said, like,
<v Speaker 2>they teach you a different lesson that you don't expect,
<v Speaker 2>and that definitely someone was a not a not teacher
<v Speaker 2>for sure. But going back to the COVID moment, that
<v Speaker 2>was such an interesting time for the adult industry because
<v Speaker 2>I felt like that was really like a second Me
<v Speaker 2>two wave for the adult industry that all these you
<v Speaker 2>know women coming out on social media talking about these
<v Speaker 2>these predatory, you know, male performers, these experiences that they'd had,
<v Speaker 2>And I think that that was really fueled by the
<v Speaker 2>success of OnlyFans, right, and now they had this financial
<v Speaker 2>freedom and they felt they weren't worried about being blacklisted
<v Speaker 2>anymore and losing work and they could speak out. And
<v Speaker 2>now they had this platform, they had the social media
<v Speaker 2>place that they could say these things and then other
<v Speaker 2>women could be like me too. I had that as well.
<v Speaker 1>I also feel like it's like sitting with your own thoughts.
<v Speaker 1>It's such a powerful thing, but we never get to
<v Speaker 1>do that. Yeah, So it's it's significant in like, you know,
<v Speaker 1>getting like a little bit of meditation and inside thought,
<v Speaker 1>they're developing your feelings. We never had that, and all
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden we were forced to do that. Then
<v Speaker 1>these things came up that we might have not thought
<v Speaker 1>about them before because we got distracted with let's go
<v Speaker 1>out with friends, let's do this movie, And all of
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, you're forced with yourself. For weeks at a time,
<v Speaker 1>you just sit and wonder about, like, what's going on,
<v Speaker 1>what's going on? What's happening? Why am I feeling anxious?
<v Speaker 1>Why am I feeling lonely? Scared? Like? Wow, that's why.
<v Speaker 2>So how do you think the industry has changed since then?
<v Speaker 2>And do you think it's for the better?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I still have a hard time categorizing it
<v Speaker 1>clearly because I feel like maybe we might be split now.
<v Speaker 1>I used to say I love the content world, because
<v Speaker 1>now everybody that's coming on set one thousand percent wants
<v Speaker 1>to be on set. That's true, So they won't do
<v Speaker 1>it to pay rent, they won't do it for a
<v Speaker 1>financial incentive. But becoming famous now it's it's trumping all
<v Speaker 1>of that. So now we're getting people on set that
<v Speaker 1>just want the fame. I just want to be on
<v Speaker 1>a big website that gives them the big.
<v Speaker 2>Exposure, specifically browsers, right, And I hear that all the time,
<v Speaker 2>And they do a browser scene because they want the traffic.
<v Speaker 1>But they don't love sex, right, So it's harder for
<v Speaker 1>me to make a comfortable set where I push for
<v Speaker 1>sexuality where they don't love sex. So it's harder to
<v Speaker 1>push them to do a good passionate scene because they
<v Speaker 1>don't love to be touched or they're not comfortable orgasming
<v Speaker 1>on camera. There's this physical thing that you see them
<v Speaker 1>clenching and pushing against the orgasm, like the feeling is
<v Speaker 1>rushing over them, but they're like shying away and like
<v Speaker 1>their face changes. They don't want they don't want to
<v Speaker 1>experience it. They're like, whoa, they just want to be famous.
<v Speaker 1>Did we get the pictures? They might get my social moment?
<v Speaker 1>Now the sex scene.
<v Speaker 2>Ah, you're like what, yeah, sport, it's a.
<v Speaker 1>Beautiful porn Like have some time with your talent, let's
<v Speaker 1>build up that teas and they'll be like, eh, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>are you ready now? Damn it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I've definitely heard that feedback from quite a few
<v Speaker 2>performers who've been in the industry for a long time.
<v Speaker 2>They feel like some of the magic and the sex
<v Speaker 2>has been removed from the scenes because of like the
<v Speaker 2>boundary checklists and all these things that we go through.
<v Speaker 2>But I think maybe it's more akin to what you're saying,
<v Speaker 2>is that there's just more talent in the industry that
<v Speaker 2>are there really with more of like a mindset of
<v Speaker 2>as a like this is a marketing gig.
<v Speaker 1>I so stand behind the checklist and I don't think
<v Speaker 1>it takes the magic away, even though that was the
<v Speaker 1>argument at the beginning, we're making sets too clinical. We
<v Speaker 1>have to check all of these things and nobody will
<v Speaker 1>remember that. Sure, but to me, it's like having sex
<v Speaker 1>with somebody for the first time, you won't give them
<v Speaker 1>your ole because you don't know. But having sex with
<v Speaker 1>somebody multiple times now you know what they like and
<v Speaker 1>you can give them your ole. To me, that's that
<v Speaker 1>boundary checklist. It lets me know what they don't like
<v Speaker 1>so the performer can do more of what they like.
<v Speaker 1>You get more out of it. They my god, they
<v Speaker 1>love kissing. They love kissing. Amazing, and you get amazing
<v Speaker 1>kissing scene when they like get lost into it and
<v Speaker 1>they start grabbing each other. Beautiful. If you don't know
<v Speaker 1>they love kissing, then it's kind of like you're trying
<v Speaker 1>a little kiss and that's not as passionate then getting
<v Speaker 1>together for the first time and really kissing. Yeah, So
<v Speaker 1>to me, that boundary checklist can help us make magic. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you just have to really take it serious. Yes, yes
<v Speaker 1>to everythinke.
<v Speaker 2>Sure, I agree with you from I mean definitely from
<v Speaker 2>a director's perspective. I love it because it takes the
<v Speaker 2>pressure off of trying to like guess when a performer
<v Speaker 2>might be being pushed too far. Because you know, as
<v Speaker 2>a woman, and I'm sure you feel the same way.
<v Speaker 2>You feel like you can kind of read the room
<v Speaker 2>and you can sort of tell if a girl is
<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable or maybe not feeling something. But we can't say
<v Speaker 2>for sure, right, we can't read minds. And I never
<v Speaker 2>want any to walk away from a set feeling like
<v Speaker 2>they had a bad experience. I'm sure you feel the
<v Speaker 2>same way, But if they don't speak up, how could
<v Speaker 2>you possibly know. And it's hard to set boundaries, especially
<v Speaker 2>if you're young, I mean publicly in front of all
<v Speaker 2>these people, in front of all these people that you
<v Speaker 2>don't know. And so that boundary checklist gives you the opportunity,
<v Speaker 2>the freedom to state those boundaries in a shame free
<v Speaker 2>way where it's like no, really, please, like very specifically
<v Speaker 2>tell us every single thing, and maybe even to consider
<v Speaker 2>something that you wouldn't have ever thought to even mention like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>I didn't think about like whether or not I would
<v Speaker 2>like someone to like lick my toes. That actually sounds
<v Speaker 2>like something I would really dislike. So I'm just gonna
<v Speaker 2>say no. But that would have never occurred to me.
<v Speaker 1>We rooming girls don't come on set thinking a guy
<v Speaker 1>will expect his ass, you know, but a performer will
<v Speaker 1>be super into it and blowjob is happening, I'll just
<v Speaker 1>grab her head, yeah, like once she's in that moment
<v Speaker 1>like I don't like that. Yeah, right, So she never
<v Speaker 1>thought about it until she got put in that situation.
<v Speaker 1>So rather than killing that entire moment on set, that
<v Speaker 1>the simple discussion before reaming, huh, I never thought about it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like let's what do you mean?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Or yeah? What is that? How is your work
<v Speaker 2>life balance changed since you started leaning into like directing.
<v Speaker 1>You can tell this comes from a direct as pretty bad. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty bad. I always think I'm failing in some
<v Speaker 1>aspects of life because I do this. Yeah, there's no
<v Speaker 1>way of doing this balance though I've tried at all
<v Speaker 1>kinds of types of ways. It's the very demanding job
<v Speaker 1>and it takes mental load at all times. There's no
<v Speaker 1>way of doing it balanced.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>The only thing I can think about that I can
<v Speaker 1>try to make peace with is balancing the extremes that
<v Speaker 1>if I do should feature a bigger movie, I will
<v Speaker 1>allow myself a few days after to like catch up
<v Speaker 1>on my personal life. Yeah, spend time with my family
<v Speaker 1>and have some moment there present, because while the feature
<v Speaker 1>is happening or the bigger series is happening, I have
<v Speaker 1>nothing for them, and I feel so guilty. There's no
<v Speaker 1>way you finish up four. Yeah, in ninety four.
<v Speaker 2>Get out of here.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like a sixteen hours it's a common thing.
<v Speaker 1>And these days, you know, they take weeks to shoot
<v Speaker 1>and they take another week to prepare. It's probably going
<v Speaker 1>to be my biggest regret as time passes.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, and I think what a lot of
<v Speaker 2>people don't realize is that an adult the director isn't
<v Speaker 2>just the director. They're also the producer and like the
<v Speaker 2>line producer and the story producer and sometimes the PA
<v Speaker 2>and like the account.
<v Speaker 1>And the account. Oh my god, I hear that with
<v Speaker 1>a passion.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yes, Unfortunately, it's we don't get the luxury
<v Speaker 2>of like a big crew and like the budget for
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people to do specific jobs. The director
<v Speaker 2>has to take on so much. And it's interesting when
<v Speaker 2>I see so many performers who are like, I want
<v Speaker 2>to get into directing, and then they director a couple
<v Speaker 2>of movies and they're like, this sucks. This pays me
<v Speaker 2>significantly less than performing and it's so much more work.
<v Speaker 2>I will never do this again. And I'm like, there
<v Speaker 2>you go, like you really have to love it the motivation.
<v Speaker 1>Yet, the motivation has to be something else than money. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>because if it's only money, it's very much not worth it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>We fortunately we were consistently. It's beautiful because when I
<v Speaker 1>was a model, I wouldn't work as consistently. Like maybe
<v Speaker 1>I'll have a fantastic two three months, but at that time,
<v Speaker 1>all the companies have shot me, they had their movies
<v Speaker 1>with me, so it will slow down.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So, yes, you maintain a good relationship with the companies
<v Speaker 1>you work with and you'll get consistent work. And that's
<v Speaker 1>a beautiful thing. But it's not necessarily all of that
<v Speaker 1>financially reworded in comparison to a model. And I know
<v Speaker 1>directors that have a hard time writing the checks.
<v Speaker 2>To the girls.
<v Speaker 1>That amount.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I used to write checks for other directors. Just write it.
<v Speaker 1>I don't even want having to write that check and
<v Speaker 1>hand it over knowing how much work they put in
<v Speaker 1>and how much money they made that day.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, So what is your motivation, Like, what is
<v Speaker 2>your favorite thing about directing?
<v Speaker 1>I want scorney, but I want things to be different
<v Speaker 1>because I was around, there's, I mean, maybe a sense
<v Speaker 1>of legacy that this industry has made such a big
<v Speaker 1>impact on my life that when I'm not here, I
<v Speaker 1>wanted it to have meant something because it's heavily scrutinized,
<v Speaker 1>Like I still cannot do a lot of the things
<v Speaker 1>that a regular person can do, you know, family and
<v Speaker 1>taking my family somewhere where I still get recognized and
<v Speaker 1>people still come to me, and I get treated differently
<v Speaker 1>from you know, buying a house which was an h
<v Speaker 1>a way or did they have like maybe what was
<v Speaker 1>it called? I forget that the legal term people with
<v Speaker 1>you know, dangerous jobs or ridiculous jobs, high risk high
<v Speaker 1>risk in a sense. Yeah, yeah, and you get kind
<v Speaker 1>of like still pushed by society and treated differently. So
<v Speaker 1>like it impacted my life heavily that I wanted it
<v Speaker 1>to mean something, like things should be better, and it
<v Speaker 1>should be significantly different and it should have left a
<v Speaker 1>positive mark after all of the sacrifice. In a sense,
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do it and just fade into
<v Speaker 1>the non existence and be like that was it. There
<v Speaker 1>was this Crominian girl. I think she made some movies.
<v Speaker 2>I totally get that. So you want an XMA for
<v Speaker 2>your show HZTV where you renovated the house that you
<v Speaker 2>used in the film, So where did that I come from.
<v Speaker 1>I still build a lot of my sets.
<v Speaker 2>So that's another thing that you do. Jus as fucking Christ. Sorry,
<v Speaker 2>I felt very lazy.
<v Speaker 1>I built sets for a very long time. I enjoyed
<v Speaker 1>doing it. It's it's like happy place. And before my
<v Speaker 1>family got a little bigger than my Kiro, I would
<v Speaker 1>spent late nights on set and just building away. So
<v Speaker 1>during COVID, we rented houses long term so we can
<v Speaker 1>control the environment and clean everything up, people in and
<v Speaker 1>out and whatnot. So I would change up the sets
<v Speaker 1>because you'd be like, well, we're here for three months
<v Speaker 1>and I needed it to look different. I'd be like
<v Speaker 1>wallpaper it painted, change bring stuff in, assemble stuff, take
<v Speaker 1>stuff down that stuff. So I've always done it to
<v Speaker 1>some extent, and I also love doing that in my
<v Speaker 1>home and love handy stuff. As a kid, I used
<v Speaker 1>to like disassembled choys to see how they work and
<v Speaker 1>try to put them back together. Not always successful with
<v Speaker 1>the process. Took apart my mom's sewing machine and she
<v Speaker 1>was pissed at me. I want to see how it works.
<v Speaker 1>So I've always done this type of like put things
<v Speaker 1>together and gives me a satisfaction. So putting the sets
<v Speaker 1>together and then seeing them on the monitor so really
<v Speaker 1>exciting to me.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So with the house, they were talking for a renovation
<v Speaker 1>series for a long time and I was like, I
<v Speaker 1>really want to do that. So it's like, all right,
<v Speaker 1>may I don't know, Like I'm grateful that they trust
<v Speaker 1>me like that. I don't know what they trust me
<v Speaker 1>a little they do. I'm very grateful that I would
<v Speaker 1>say I will want to do that and they will
<v Speaker 1>let me do it. John would say the proof is
<v Speaker 1>in the pudding. Maybe I've worked enough to a little
<v Speaker 1>little of things and I've shown that i can do it.
<v Speaker 1>Now they can trust you. But I think there's a
<v Speaker 1>gamble also that they take on me that I'm very
<v Speaker 1>grateful for and a little bit more extra pressure to
<v Speaker 1>be like I have to deliver because they did they
<v Speaker 1>didn't trust me, Like they haven't seen my renovation work
<v Speaker 1>before when they trusted me to do it. So they've
<v Speaker 1>seen me build sets before, and I built stuff at
<v Speaker 1>my studio all the time.
<v Speaker 2>So how did that work? In like as a sex
<v Speaker 2>like movie.
<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's maybe men more than women. It's
<v Speaker 1>that release of like destroying things, building stuff and then
<v Speaker 1>wanting to feel good. So it's like a part of
<v Speaker 1>that release in the body, like we're wrecked stuff, we
<v Speaker 1>smashed stuff, we got all hot and sweaty, and now
<v Speaker 1>there's like a bit more sexual tension that we want
<v Speaker 1>to like satisfy as well.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it's.
<v Speaker 1>Getting dirty and then dirty.
<v Speaker 2>E gotcha. So was it like, was it like a
<v Speaker 2>couple that was like renovating houses? Was at the storyline
<v Speaker 2>or No.
<v Speaker 1>We've cut like different combos. The girls would would kind
<v Speaker 1>of like start smashing things around and kind of start
<v Speaker 1>demoing certain stuff with the idea of what they want
<v Speaker 1>to build, but the guys would be mostly kind of
<v Speaker 1>like switch the roles. You would expect guys to do construction,
<v Speaker 1>So we switch the roles and we let the girls
<v Speaker 1>take the lead on that, and then the guys would
<v Speaker 1>help females get their satisfaction and their pleasure out of
<v Speaker 1>that entire you know THINGU they had fun, They had fun.
<v Speaker 2>Definitely different.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think, like you don't think those types of
<v Speaker 1>scenes would win because they're a little bit silly in
<v Speaker 1>that sense. But there were genuine raw sects and they're
<v Speaker 1>sure like at the point where we removed the walls
<v Speaker 1>and there was only studs, the house is a lot
<v Speaker 1>more fragile. So as they're holding onto it and they're fucking,
<v Speaker 1>they're shaking the house. They're just they're having so like
<v Speaker 1>crazy sex and they don't think about damaging anything because
<v Speaker 1>the house is a construction zone. So now they're going
<v Speaker 1>crazy the house and the walls are shaking up, like
<v Speaker 1>they're fucking this house down. But this is tricky. You
<v Speaker 1>don't think it's going to win because it's kind of
<v Speaker 1>crazy and dirty and outrageous. Yeah, that was surprising.
<v Speaker 2>That's amazing. So what about projects this year, anything you're
<v Speaker 2>working on now or anything coming up or coming out
<v Speaker 2>that you're very excited about.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we just finished a two part game show like series.
<v Speaker 1>It's going to be a total of eight episodes so far.
<v Speaker 1>That was kind of fun. We built at the studio
<v Speaker 1>stage and we kind of took some chances on equipment
<v Speaker 1>to kind of try to give it a different look,
<v Speaker 1>like a three sixty dolly and a crane and like
<v Speaker 1>try to throw a different view of it and like
<v Speaker 1>the game show aspect. And they were younger performers competing
<v Speaker 1>against with Mills, who's the up and coming guy, which
<v Speaker 1>is one of the questions in the industry right to
<v Speaker 1>be like I can do that? How do I become
<v Speaker 1>a mal pam star. It's like one of the questions
<v Speaker 1>that floods my DM for the past twenty years.
<v Speaker 2>Tell me about it. So funny because I just had
<v Speaker 2>you know, girth Master on and same dms are filled
<v Speaker 2>with the how do I become a male born star?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so like putting up and coming guys in the
<v Speaker 1>hands of males established females in the industry in like
<v Speaker 1>a game show like scenario with a sex challenge. Towards
<v Speaker 1>the end, it was fun. Well, it's a little bit
<v Speaker 1>of a headache to shoot. Knew it, guys, but.
<v Speaker 2>I was just gonna say it sounds fun except for
<v Speaker 2>the new.
<v Speaker 1>Guys until you get to that part, but more and
<v Speaker 1>more excited. Man, I hope it's happening. I keep talking
<v Speaker 1>about it, the dance movie. Proper trained dancers with proper
<v Speaker 1>trained choreographers.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I know who's going to be in it. I
<v Speaker 2>know one person that you have to put in it.
<v Speaker 2>Who is a Brothers contract star, who is a competitive dancer,
<v Speaker 2>Schrida Belle.
<v Speaker 1>Hmmm, maybe there's a week right, She's an amazing guy.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm just like, I'm just guessing she's going to
<v Speaker 2>be in it.
<v Speaker 1>There's yeah, Like I wanted to do it, like where
<v Speaker 1>we focus on true dancing, because dancing itself has a
<v Speaker 1>lot of eroticism to it and a lot of sexuality
<v Speaker 1>to it. If we focus on the dancing, not on
<v Speaker 1>the hair flipping and the torking, but true get true
<v Speaker 1>dancing in there. So it's still in the works. It's
<v Speaker 1>going to start off as a reality series because we
<v Speaker 1>want to get the real story of the additions of
<v Speaker 1>getting you know, into the process and to culminate with
<v Speaker 1>a showcase style scene.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so is it going to be like newer performers.
<v Speaker 1>It's going to be a mix. We just want to
<v Speaker 1>get the true dancers. So I don't really look for
<v Speaker 1>newer or older. They just have to be true dancers
<v Speaker 1>with a real dance background. Yeah, more than stripping more,
<v Speaker 1>which stripping is still a beautiful thing, but I want
<v Speaker 1>to bring that other aspect to it, where we flow
<v Speaker 1>with the music and we just let them feel something
<v Speaker 1>that turns sexual. So I'm excited about that.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, performing is kind of like my
<v Speaker 2>mother used to always say, having sex is like a
<v Speaker 2>dance starting, which is true. I mean I've noticed that,
<v Speaker 2>like if I'm shooting a model who's new, if she
<v Speaker 2>has a dance background, she generally has that body awareness
<v Speaker 2>where she's like kind of from the gate, like knows
<v Speaker 2>what she's doing.
<v Speaker 1>And rhythm because we all know of a DP without
<v Speaker 1>the rhythm, you're kind of trouble.
<v Speaker 2>That is true. That's true. What has been the high
<v Speaker 2>of your career so far?
<v Speaker 1>I take a lot of satisfaction of seeing people in
<v Speaker 1>my team rising up and becoming really good and getting praised,
<v Speaker 1>and like there's a few people that I would like
<v Speaker 1>support from the get go, and now see them like
<v Speaker 1>come up and like be like really special. And I
<v Speaker 1>think because I never thought it would be a path
<v Speaker 1>for me, like seeing it become a path for other people.
<v Speaker 1>It's a means there's longevity for us in the industry,
<v Speaker 1>but also that stealing a legacy, like there's more past
<v Speaker 1>me that like maybe my name wants die, you know,
<v Speaker 1>when I'm done and retired, maybe there's something else that
<v Speaker 1>will matter. Ye, Like, well, there was great things and
<v Speaker 1>that inspired me and I did more. And it's a
<v Speaker 1>very proud moment maybe in a sense not to compare
<v Speaker 1>it too much raising a child, you but like there's
<v Speaker 1>a legacy past you that it was meaningful beyond you.
<v Speaker 1>It was meaningful to them too, Yeah, and they carry
<v Speaker 1>it on back and then knowing if you do the
<v Speaker 1>right things, they'll continue doing the right things, you know.
<v Speaker 1>But like we've changed for the better. We're not the scunniest,
<v Speaker 1>filthiest industry in the world. We're not the dirty people
<v Speaker 1>that nobody wants to be around. We're actually like impressive
<v Speaker 1>and it's significant and yeah, like.
<v Speaker 2>That, what advice would you give to a performer who
<v Speaker 2>wants to make that transition to working behind the scenes,
<v Speaker 2>whether producing or directing, Like you.
<v Speaker 1>Have, it's the job of no resume. I've said that before,
<v Speaker 1>But doesn't matter the type of movies you shot. It's
<v Speaker 1>the experience you leave people with and how they perceive you,
<v Speaker 1>the being professionally, being on time, they all have so
<v Speaker 1>much weight once people have to think if they can
<v Speaker 1>trust you with their money, how you conduct yourself from
<v Speaker 1>financial aspect as well. If I'm a producer, that means
<v Speaker 1>somebody's paying me a lot of money to produce their movies.
<v Speaker 1>I have to hold on to this money to produce
<v Speaker 1>this movie. So I think that's something talent needs to understand.
<v Speaker 1>It's a trust factor. If you're wasteful with your money,
<v Speaker 1>if you're you know, whatever situation regardless, if you have
<v Speaker 1>a good vision, it's harder to trust you. So you
<v Speaker 1>need to have a business sense, and nobody teaches the
<v Speaker 1>business of porn. You have to have business sense about
<v Speaker 1>yourself in order to even be considered that you could
<v Speaker 1>be a good director and a producer. Are you professional
<v Speaker 1>more than when you're a porn starts your job to
<v Speaker 1>be slaty and fine? Yeah, So, like at some point,
<v Speaker 1>can you also give trust? Can you also give the
<v Speaker 1>fact that you are put together? You are, you have
<v Speaker 1>your thoughts, you know, in line.
<v Speaker 2>If you have a bad day, you still have to
<v Speaker 2>show up to say.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, because if you have a bad day as a director,
<v Speaker 1>does your entire crew los his work? Does the movie
<v Speaker 1>not meet the deadline? Do we lose location and everything?
<v Speaker 1>So being professional matters more than they think. It's more
<v Speaker 1>than just that one scene. It's this entire like unspoken
<v Speaker 1>resume that you leave people with. So anybody that's trying
<v Speaker 1>to hire a new director, they will do their due
<v Speaker 1>diligence and ask around. So there's a combo of bad
<v Speaker 1>stories about you. They most like you won't get the job. Yeah, regardless,
<v Speaker 1>if you notice shoot camera pictures you've had a good vision,
<v Speaker 1>it won't matter like you have to be professional beyond
<v Speaker 1>your scene.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely well, Leah, thank you so much for coming on.
<v Speaker 2>It was such a pleasure. I do have some Patreon
<v Speaker 2>questions reaction a lot Jesus the Sky rob but those
<v Speaker 2>will be in a separate segment that if you're a
<v Speaker 2>member of my Patreon you will be able to hear.
<v Speaker 2>In the meantime, Leah, can you let everybody know where
<v Speaker 2>they can find you on your favorite thing in the world,
<v Speaker 2>social media?
<v Speaker 1>It looks like I don't work. I'm sorry, it looks
<v Speaker 1>like I haven't done stuff in forever. I'm on Instagram
<v Speaker 1>at lea Lexis that productions on x if. People still
<v Speaker 1>go on Excite and I think they do Lee Alexis xxx.
<v Speaker 1>But I apologize there's not much there I do. I'm
<v Speaker 1>trying to get better. That's why the two phones. It's
<v Speaker 1>a thought in my mind. But you can find my
<v Speaker 1>scenes on browsers and everywhere on the internet to some extent.
<v Speaker 2>It's all over the place, all over the place.
<v Speaker 1>But yes, I will do better for my fans have
<v Speaker 1>been following me for a long time and put more
<v Speaker 1>of my work out there. I am proud of it. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I'm just in a different headspace.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I get it. I get it. You need a
<v Speaker 2>Masha please, That's what I am. I have a Masha otherwise, Yeah,
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