Pete Parsons Leaves Bungie

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<v Speaker 1>the week. Let's see if your game made the cut
<v Speaker 1>and reviews are in for Meddal Gear Solid, Delta Snake Eater.
<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about that as well as all the other news.
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be a good one because we have Sean
<v Speaker 1>Turbo Sean McDowell on the show. Sean, how are you doing.
<v Speaker 2>I'm wondering why someone gave melgar Saw to zero point eight. Jeff,
<v Speaker 2>that's just such a weirdos war. He feels like everyone
<v Speaker 2>has it.
<v Speaker 1>Out for them, right, what kind of that would be?
<v Speaker 1>Like a thousand point scale, right or at least yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's yeah, I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Geez, that's just I guess someone entered it backwards on
<v Speaker 2>one of the open crect things everyone.
<v Speaker 3>So I was a little confused by that, right, So
<v Speaker 3>that's it.
<v Speaker 1>It's current open critics scores. Maybe it's gonna be a
<v Speaker 1>little bit better than what it actually says in the Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that was that's weird.
<v Speaker 2>It's like a point or two lower that should be,
<v Speaker 2>I think maybe.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I always wonder how those review aggregation sites work.
<v Speaker 1>Is it automated? Understanding is when talking to the people
<v Speaker 1>from Metacritic is a lot of it's just done manually.
<v Speaker 1>They just go out and they go get the stuff
<v Speaker 1>and they put in the reviews themselves. So yeah, I
<v Speaker 1>guess someone just put in zero point eight for metal
<v Speaker 1>Gear Solid Delta.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it happens.
<v Speaker 1>Our wise.
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<v Speaker 1>Hello YouTube. All right, we have a lot to get into,
<v Speaker 1>so let's start the Morning Mess with Metal Gear, Solid
<v Speaker 1>Delta Sneakyater reviews. It is at eighty six on Open
<v Speaker 1>Critic right now. Although I bet once that zero point
<v Speaker 1>eight gets corrected, it'll go up a little bit.
<v Speaker 3>I wonder, I wonder.
<v Speaker 2>If that's just display error and they enter maybe rightly
<v Speaker 2>on the back end, so eighty six might be right.
<v Speaker 1>Eighty six is pretty good. It's you know, we were
<v Speaker 1>talking about us, we were getting started here, Sean looking
<v Speaker 1>at the scores really quick, I.
<v Speaker 2>I spread like, eighty six sounds right. It's a lot
<v Speaker 2>of nines, a lot of eight's, and a law seven, So.
<v Speaker 1>I think eighty says correct, Yeah, exactly. We got one here,
<v Speaker 1>nine out of ten from two more who Son at
<v Speaker 1>oh Game Spot, Konami's Metal Gear Solid three remake is
<v Speaker 1>a safe but successful modernization of a beloved classic. Kieran
<v Speaker 1>Verbrugie at Well Played gave it a six out of
<v Speaker 1>ten basically says the same thing, though with metal Gear
<v Speaker 1>Solid Delta Snake Eater, Konamias crafted a visually arresting re
<v Speaker 1>release so fawning and reverent that it reads entirely incurious.
<v Speaker 1>Fans of the source material will no doubt relish the
<v Speaker 1>opportunity to play a more modern feeling take on a
<v Speaker 1>generational piece of art, but such a seemingly important work
<v Speaker 1>should inspire more and then a nine out of ten
<v Speaker 1>from Liamcroft at Push Square, who says one of the
<v Speaker 1>most faithful remakes ever. Middle Gear Solid Delta Snake Eater
<v Speaker 1>has made a stealth classic feel modern all over again.
<v Speaker 1>Its light but meaningful gameplay updates enhance interaction and feel,
<v Speaker 1>while a visual and feel, and then while a visual
<v Speaker 1>overall allows it to rub shoulders with the PS five's
<v Speaker 1>graphical elite by staying so loyal to its source text,
<v Speaker 1>Meddle Gear Solid three is now just as incredible today
<v Speaker 1>as it was over twenty years ago. Yeah, we did
<v Speaker 1>a quick look. Should be going up soon. It'll be
<v Speaker 1>up today for sure. Dan has been playing it, Mike's
<v Speaker 1>been playing it. Both of them seem very happy with it.
<v Speaker 1>You're a metal Gear Solid three fan as well, right, Sean,
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I like all the Meliar Salad games to
<v Speaker 2>some extent. We don't talk about four as much, but
<v Speaker 2>so I'm really looking forward to this one, and I
<v Speaker 2>have been curious how people would react, And it sounds
<v Speaker 2>like both TAM's review and the other one they had
<v Speaker 2>pulled here that was on the lower end are saying
<v Speaker 2>the same thing, but from different approaches of Hey, this
<v Speaker 2>is still Melgar Sawad three, and we knew that going
<v Speaker 2>in because we were like using the original voice lines
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. They really just remade the graphics,
<v Speaker 2>and so in that way, it's almost I guess you'd
<v Speaker 2>say blue point ish. Yeah, I'm sure they put a
<v Speaker 2>little more quality of life in there, and you know
<v Speaker 2>this one to I know because I haven't been playing it,
<v Speaker 2>but as far as I know, they have been playing
<v Speaker 2>like gameplay quality of life stuff too. But it is
<v Speaker 2>really that graphical overhaul that is the key, the key
<v Speaker 2>appeal here, and I think everyone's going to feel differently
<v Speaker 2>about that. I think some people are going to wish.
<v Speaker 3>For a little bit more.
<v Speaker 2>Last year, especially around Game of the Year, we talked
<v Speaker 2>about how Persona three reload I think is like the
<v Speaker 2>new bar for a faithful remake. Yeah, or that what
<v Speaker 2>like Resident Evil one remake. But I think we've reached
<v Speaker 2>the point where maybe people do want more from a
<v Speaker 2>remake like this, And so I think it depends on
<v Speaker 2>how much do you appreciate the original and want it
<v Speaker 2>to just be the original. I think some people are
<v Speaker 2>looking for a bit more, right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so. And you know, I get where
<v Speaker 1>curing is coming from of, you know, using this as
<v Speaker 1>a chance to look back at something and having some
<v Speaker 1>curiosity about it, maybe not deconstructing it, but kind of
<v Speaker 1>looking at at the way it works, maybe a little
<v Speaker 1>bit deeper, and rebuilding it as you go to re
<v Speaker 1>release it like this. And yet I do think that
<v Speaker 1>most of the reviews do reveal that this was likely
<v Speaker 1>the right call to just kind of make that game again,
<v Speaker 1>make it look better, make it more accessible, so now
<v Speaker 1>more even more people can play it. More people will
<v Speaker 1>play it now because of this version and that's maybe
<v Speaker 1>the real, maybe the most noble goal you can have
<v Speaker 1>with one of these is just make a game, bring
<v Speaker 1>it back, and give more people a chance to play it.
<v Speaker 1>And it succeeds on that front for sure, And for.
<v Speaker 2>Once, it's a smart move from Kanami because they you know,
<v Speaker 2>they gotta be careful how they treat this series, because
<v Speaker 2>if they try to do something too different or you know,
<v Speaker 2>change too much of an established classic that they have
<v Speaker 2>from Kojuma or anyone else, people are gonna get angry
<v Speaker 2>because people, you know, I've been trained to not like Kanami,
<v Speaker 2>and so I think this was probably the smart play
<v Speaker 2>if they were going to do it, if they were
<v Speaker 2>to add more to change more than what have been
<v Speaker 2>riskier move. So I think they probably made the right
<v Speaker 2>call with this one, even if it's not going to
<v Speaker 2>please everyone. I think these or overall reflect that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Middle Gear Solid Meadow Gear Solid three a game
<v Speaker 1>that I never played originally, but kind of sitting in
<v Speaker 1>that quick look with Dan, I like caught on pretty
<v Speaker 1>quickly that there is a lot of quirks to the game,
<v Speaker 1>and not like quirks as in unintended sort of oddities
<v Speaker 1>about it, but deeply intended moment, intended moments that you
<v Speaker 1>could have missed. Yeah, you know, just the like saving
<v Speaker 1>the game, letting it sit for a long time, coming
<v Speaker 1>back to it, and what happens to the end. I'm like, wait, okay,
<v Speaker 1>And apparently there's more to the game that, like, you know,
<v Speaker 1>you say, the game, let it sit, the food spoils,
<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing. I do think for this game
<v Speaker 1>in particular, it's probably worth preserving all of that as
<v Speaker 1>it was, so you could just see how strange the
<v Speaker 1>game is in some ways or interesting. Is maybe the
<v Speaker 1>better works. It's not strange, it's kind of cool.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was ahead of its time, always working with
<v Speaker 2>the real time clock and earthing on the PS two.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's yeah right, Like the Dan feeds them some
<v Speaker 1>bad meat and then spins them around in the character
<v Speaker 1>viewer and he throws making him dizzy, and then he
<v Speaker 1>throws up. That's fun stuff. And it's like, you know,
<v Speaker 1>of course, you could do a complete remake from the
<v Speaker 1>ground up in terms of the gameplay and then put
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff back in. But I think there's something
<v Speaker 1>to be said about No, this is just it. That's
<v Speaker 1>what it did back then, doing exactly the same thing
<v Speaker 1>now and it looks better, so more people will feel
<v Speaker 1>willing to give the game, you know, seventy dollars to
<v Speaker 1>play it or however much it costs.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, some of the all time grates were great because
<v Speaker 2>they were just to have their time and you don't
<v Speaker 2>need to change them from a gameplay perspective, maybe control perspective,
<v Speaker 2>which I believe this one does a little bit. Gives
<v Speaker 2>you at least the option for more modern controls in
<v Speaker 2>some ways, but you know, to take one of the
<v Speaker 2>like on dispute rates like Mario sixty four. Are you
<v Speaker 2>really gonna change Mario sixty four that much? Or are you
<v Speaker 2>just gonna like make it look prettier than ever. That's
<v Speaker 2>the kind of thing where I, yeah, I think that's
<v Speaker 2>what they need to do here, and I from our
<v Speaker 2>thing i've seen, it seems like they succeeded yep.
<v Speaker 1>And they also like went all out, including for this
<v Speaker 1>next story, which is still middle Gear Solid Delta. Platinum
<v Speaker 1>Games developed middle Gear Delta Snake Eater's Secret Mode. This
<v Speaker 1>is also from Tumor Hussein. Platinum Games, the developer of
<v Speaker 1>acclaimed action titles including Bayonetta and Near Automata, contributed to
<v Speaker 1>the development of Konami's medal Gear Solid Delta Snake Eater.
<v Speaker 1>Konami has confirmed specifically Platinum created a new version of
<v Speaker 1>Snake's Nightmare and easter egg that longtime fans of Middle
<v Speaker 1>Gear Solid three will excuse me no doubt relish. The
<v Speaker 1>Return of Snake's Nightmare is a third person action sequence
<v Speaker 1>that is accessed by saving the game when Snake is
<v Speaker 1>captured and thrown in prison. When the save file is reloaded,
<v Speaker 1>instead of going back to the prison, players wake up
<v Speaker 1>in a hellish other world where a mysterious man welding
<v Speaker 1>hook swords takes on demons in a graveyard. The mini game,
<v Speaker 1>also known to fans as Guy Savage, was originally written
<v Speaker 1>and directed by Shugio Morada, who contrib contributed to a
<v Speaker 1>number of other Metal Gear Solid projects as part of
<v Speaker 1>the original Kojama production team. Although Metal Gear Salad three
<v Speaker 1>has been re released in various forms since its debut
<v Speaker 1>on the PlayStation two, Snake's Nightmare slash Guy Savage has
<v Speaker 1>been omitted in the majority of them. For Delta, a
<v Speaker 1>complete and faithful remake of the original Metal Gear Salad three,
<v Speaker 1>Konami went the extra mile and brought in Platinum to
<v Speaker 1>rebuild the hidden mode. As stated in our review, it's
<v Speaker 1>an excellent return for the Easter Egg. We also showed
<v Speaker 1>this off in the Quick Look, which is, you know,
<v Speaker 1>I just had no idea about this, Sean, I didn't
<v Speaker 1>know this was a thing at all, and then finding
<v Speaker 1>out Platinum helped out with that, well that I looked down, like, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>that makes sense. It looks like that. Did it always
<v Speaker 1>kind of like play like that? Or does is this
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more changed or do you not remember?
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, so I actually don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I've never actually played Guy Savage because I've never played
<v Speaker 2>the original, right, Okay, yeah, of Snake Eaters.
<v Speaker 3>So I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I've only heard from people and seen some gameplay, so
<v Speaker 2>I can only assume.
<v Speaker 3>But it was always like.
<v Speaker 4>My my remembering of the development history is that it
<v Speaker 4>was just like a concept pitch for some totally different game,
<v Speaker 4>and then like they Kojumo wanted like a sequence that
<v Speaker 4>was so weird and different for like this Easter Egg.
<v Speaker 3>Right, and they that fit the bill in there.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I forget exactly how it works out, but yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it was more like, uh, kind of an action gamey
<v Speaker 2>thing as far as I understand, but I could be
<v Speaker 2>wrong about that. Uh tell you what, seeing Platinum Games
<v Speaker 2>and Metal Gear in the same sentence, this is not
<v Speaker 2>how I want to see it happen.
<v Speaker 1>But but well, you know that's right. That's the thing though.
<v Speaker 1>It's like we can now say, hey, maybe that this
<v Speaker 1>leads back to a new revengeance. Is that just getting
<v Speaker 1>our hopes way too high? I'm obviously Plant is such
<v Speaker 1>a different thing. Platinum is a very different thing. Now.
<v Speaker 1>They are in sort of like say themselves mode? What
<v Speaker 1>is there there? They are, They're worked on Ninja Guide
<v Speaker 1>them for right, that's their big thing right now and
<v Speaker 1>then and then they have said that they want to
<v Speaker 1>try to like maybe get back to some of that
<v Speaker 1>stuff in some ways, but they've lost a lot of talent,
<v Speaker 1>people kind of leading the company go start their own
<v Speaker 1>things again or go back to Capcom. So yeah, maybe
<v Speaker 1>this is the kind of thing where it's like, this
<v Speaker 1>is nice that it happened, but don't expect a revengeance
<v Speaker 1>too anytime soon.
<v Speaker 2>Right, No, Yeah, we got that teas a long time
<v Speaker 2>ago where it's just straight up it was teasing a
<v Speaker 2>playstationing event and everyone's.
<v Speaker 3>Like, well, what happened here like that.
<v Speaker 2>You were clearly teasing MGR two, And yeah, as far
<v Speaker 2>as I know, that was a thing they were working
<v Speaker 2>on that it just like went away and is probably
<v Speaker 2>never coming back. So I kind of remind myself that
<v Speaker 2>not get my hopes up about that one. But yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it is cool. Yeah, and it's nice. Konami's like doing
<v Speaker 2>things again back in a lot of ways. Maybe not
<v Speaker 2>that back, right, No, yeah, not in that way, because
<v Speaker 2>that would be like I was trying to get out
<v Speaker 2>with the first segment. I don't think they want to
<v Speaker 2>do too much of a metal gear because of the.
<v Speaker 3>Weirdness with coach men and everything.
<v Speaker 2>They would have to, like, yeah, really bring things back,
<v Speaker 2>maybe do like even two more remakes or something before
<v Speaker 2>you're like, well, this is our series, so I guess
<v Speaker 2>we can do a new one. And even then fans
<v Speaker 2>would probably be commad. So yeah, they have to be
<v Speaker 2>very cautious about that one. I don't think they would
<v Speaker 2>jump into a new project or anything. But speaking to
<v Speaker 2>the story here itself, it is really cool that they
<v Speaker 2>went through the effort of bringing back this mode that
<v Speaker 2>was taken out. I don't remember why it was taken
<v Speaker 2>out specifically, but yeah, it wasn't in HD. I believe
<v Speaker 2>because I think I will have played it. That's that's
<v Speaker 2>the one I originally played it back in the day.
<v Speaker 2>So it's nice that they did put in that effort
<v Speaker 2>to have again have it be a faithful remake.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, Yeah, it's this does feel like going all out,
<v Speaker 1>and at a point, if you are going to do
<v Speaker 1>the thing of faithful remake and it's gonna you're not
<v Speaker 1>gonna do it too much. On top of that, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>there's some quality of life stuff here and there some
<v Speaker 1>improvements here there, But if you're gonna do that, then
<v Speaker 1>you really got it. I do feel like you have
<v Speaker 1>to do it all you kind of can't leave anything
<v Speaker 1>behind and kind of complete the package. Make this the
<v Speaker 1>definitive experience. And this really goes a long way toward
<v Speaker 1>making it feel exactly like that. So well played by Konami.
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<v Speaker 1>Sean Jeff Grubb, let's do the news. Longtime Bungie boss
<v Speaker 1>Pete Parsons announced his departure after two decades at the company.
<v Speaker 1>This is from Blair Marnell at GameSpot. Until recently, Bungie's
<v Speaker 1>next game, Marathon, was slated to release in September, but
<v Speaker 1>the game was delayed indefinitely in June amid reports that
<v Speaker 1>Bungie will lose its independence by fully integrating into PlayStation studios,
<v Speaker 1>something that's been in the work for a while now.
<v Speaker 1>Bungie's CEO Pete Parsons has announced his departure from the
<v Speaker 1>studio after over two decades. Parsons joined Bungie in two
<v Speaker 1>thousand and two and served as COO before being promoted
<v Speaker 1>to CEO in early twenty sixteen. In a statement shared
<v Speaker 1>on Bungie's official site, Bungie called his stint on top
<v Speaker 1>of the Bunchie called his stent on top of the
<v Speaker 1>company the honor of a lifetime. I think they probably.
<v Speaker 1>Parsons called that in honor of a lifetime and added
<v Speaker 1>that he is deeply proud of the worlds we've built
<v Speaker 1>together and the millions of players who call them home.
<v Speaker 1>Before closing his statement, Parsons announced that Chief development Officer
<v Speaker 1>Justin Truman will be the new head of Bungie. He
<v Speaker 1>also endorsed Truman as his successor. I've worked alongside Justin
<v Speaker 1>for many years, said Parsons. His passion for our games,
<v Speaker 1>our team, and our players is unmatched. As a leader
<v Speaker 1>in engineering, production, production of design, and mostly as the
<v Speaker 1>general manager for Destiny Too and our chief development officer.
<v Speaker 1>He has been instrumental in bringing some of the most
<v Speaker 1>memorable moments in Bungie's history to life. He lives and
<v Speaker 1>breathes this studio, and I have full confidence that he
<v Speaker 1>is the right person to lead Bungie forward. This, of course,
<v Speaker 1>comes after in late July twenty twenty four, Bunchie was
<v Speaker 1>hit by mass layoffs that included or you know whether
<v Speaker 1>they were including the layoffs or just left Luke Smith
<v Speaker 1>and Mark Noseworthy, who left the company. Former bune employees
<v Speaker 1>have also come forward and accused the company of a
<v Speaker 1>being driven by greed thanks to a toxic corporate culture.
<v Speaker 1>And also this is in the follow up to that
<v Speaker 1>those tests for Marathon, the public tests that people were
<v Speaker 1>talking about and did not seem too hot on. So yeah,
<v Speaker 1>this is maybe not too surprising, I think, especially with
<v Speaker 1>the idea that Sony is PlayStation Studio specifically is sort
<v Speaker 1>of taking over Bungie, which was never supposed to be
<v Speaker 1>the way it was going to work. Sean, It was
<v Speaker 1>a Sony is making this acquisition and Bungee will stand
<v Speaker 1>alongside PlayStation Studios, but separate and be its own thing.
<v Speaker 1>And oh my god, Destiny's not making the money we
<v Speaker 1>thought it would make and Marathon is kind of a mess.
<v Speaker 1>So now you're a PlayStation studios a studio.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the original idea was more of like a Bethesda thing, right,
<v Speaker 2>where like Bethesda very much owned by Microsoft by Xbox,
<v Speaker 2>but they do operate pretty independently.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're own vertical.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, they just like have their games on Pass
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 3>I that was the idea here, but that.
<v Speaker 1>Even but even more independent because like even when that
<v Speaker 1>was happening with Bethesda, there was, oh, you know, Starfield's
<v Speaker 1>going to be exclusive. Now that's changed obviously, but but
<v Speaker 1>Buns Bunches games, We're never even going to be exclusive
<v Speaker 1>now now, I still don't think they're going to be exclusive,
<v Speaker 1>just because the kinds of games they are. And Sony's
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily super concerned about that right now, because keeping
<v Speaker 1>games off Xbox was not It's just not high on
<v Speaker 1>their list of things that they're worried about anymore.
<v Speaker 2>It's on anyone's list anymore, because exactly everyone's looking around saying, hey,
<v Speaker 2>we need the money, Yeah, you know what, we'll open
<v Speaker 2>things up a little bit.
<v Speaker 1>Why not, Right, So this is very much about PlayStation
<v Speaker 1>taking over Bungee. Pete Parsons, Uh, you know, is the
<v Speaker 1>is probably the person that should take the fall, so
<v Speaker 1>getting it probably the right move. Yeah, how do you
<v Speaker 1>feel about that?
<v Speaker 2>I have not followed Bungie really at all in the
<v Speaker 2>Destiny era like and yes that means from like twenty
<v Speaker 2>thirteen onward, just because not not my kind of games,
<v Speaker 2>Like hopped into Destiny one for a little bit, but
<v Speaker 2>then I'm just like, eh, yeah, this live style of stuff.
<v Speaker 2>This isn't really why I came to Bungee for back
<v Speaker 2>in the day. So I'll let them do their thing.
<v Speaker 2>So I was gonna be like, Pete Parsons, is that
<v Speaker 2>the dude who sucks? And then I look into the chat. Ah,
<v Speaker 2>that's how everyone feels about him, got it?
<v Speaker 1>He sucks? He's the god. I mean, I can't remember.
<v Speaker 1>That seems like the classic Car story where it's like
<v Speaker 1>he was he would like talk to people about his
<v Speaker 1>classic cars like the day before laying them off. Is
<v Speaker 1>that maybe getting that story wrong? Everybody don't take that
<v Speaker 1>and I'll get confirmation from the chat here a second
<v Speaker 1>if I messed that up. But I think that's how
<v Speaker 1>it went I remember Pete Parsons from saying that Microsoft
<v Speaker 1>was like price sing out a reacquisition of Bungeee, and
<v Speaker 1>then Pete Parson's like, that story is not true, and
<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't say what part wasn't true, And then it
<v Speaker 1>turned out later it was true, and he just went
<v Speaker 1>out there and yeah, one of those Yeah, maybe it
<v Speaker 1>was actually the most one of those ever that I've
<v Speaker 1>experienced of Like this was just straight up like pulling
<v Speaker 1>the wool over people's eyes or trying to trick them.
<v Speaker 1>And I know that's the case. And me and these
<v Speaker 1>other people who were reporting it were kind of talking
<v Speaker 1>to each other being like, he's fucking with people, right,
<v Speaker 1>He's just straight up blind, like yeah, and he was,
<v Speaker 1>but he's gone now. I guess, Sean, I don't really
<v Speaker 1>I don't follow a bunch of all that much anymore.
<v Speaker 1>I have plenty of friends who do, people who really
<v Speaker 1>have loved Destiny and Destiny Too, And I do like wonder,
<v Speaker 1>like what the future of this studio is. It is
<v Speaker 1>probably something along the lines of hoping for the best
<v Speaker 1>for Marathon and for keeping Destiny Too going. They probably
<v Speaker 1>come back in a couple of years with a reset
<v Speaker 1>like focus on something new at that point, right, because
<v Speaker 1>I just don't see Marathon working.
<v Speaker 2>I don't see Marathon working either. I've been I've been
<v Speaker 2>thinking about why exactly I feel that way, and I
<v Speaker 2>forget who. But someone in the chat mentioned the other
<v Speaker 2>day a very good point. People keep trying to make
<v Speaker 2>extraction shooters a thing, but extraction shooters are specifically for
<v Speaker 2>the sickos, people who want tons of systems, who want
<v Speaker 2>lots of realism in their game, and that genre, any
<v Speaker 2>genre like that, is only going to get so big,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like a sim racing for example. That's the
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing where it did explode in popularity, especially
<v Speaker 2>like during the pandemic I think, or pre pandemic a
<v Speaker 2>little bit.
<v Speaker 3>But you're only going to get so many people doing that.
<v Speaker 2>So even if you capture everyone who wants that right away,
<v Speaker 2>well maybe you've his ceiling already. And so that's the
<v Speaker 2>thing with Marathon where it feels like yet another example
<v Speaker 2>of them trying to bring this niche franchise to a
<v Speaker 2>giant audience because they're like, oh, this genre, this niche
<v Speaker 2>is growing so rapidly, and they're not seeing the ceiling
<v Speaker 2>that maybe a lot of us are seeing, and a
<v Speaker 2>lot of us are bouncing off of these kinds of
<v Speaker 2>games because we're like, well, this is kind of like
<v Speaker 2>the last one. It's like when everyone tried making a
<v Speaker 2>Battle Royale. Yes, yeah, yeah, even worse because balle Royale
<v Speaker 2>at least everyone wraps their head around that right away.
<v Speaker 2>But even with something like that, we only needed really
<v Speaker 2>a PUBG, a Fortnite and a Call of Duty. And
<v Speaker 2>even then Pubg is like, you know, still big with
<v Speaker 2>petering out and I don't know what they're looking at
<v Speaker 2>here with Marathon, but it feels misguided to me. The
<v Speaker 2>entire project has, so yeah, I think you're right. I
<v Speaker 2>don't see Marathon doing particularly well, even if as Bundy's
<v Speaker 2>name behind it, EF has PlayStation behind it, because I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, it looks cool like graphically and everything, but
<v Speaker 2>I don't see anything that's really gonna draw people in
<v Speaker 2>as opposed to any other shooter.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Dougman and Chat points out the shooter. The professional
<v Speaker 1>game player Shroud said that standing off the rough edges
<v Speaker 1>takes away everything that makes extraction shooters what they are,
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, yeah, I could I could almost see that,
<v Speaker 1>like Marathon being a somewhat case study similar to what
<v Speaker 1>has happened recently with a Monster Hunter A while yeah, Wilds,
<v Speaker 1>where it's like that game like is being accused of
<v Speaker 1>standing off the rough edges of that genre to the
<v Speaker 1>point where it's not exactly the game that people who
<v Speaker 1>fell in love with it wanted it to be. And
<v Speaker 1>I think that for a lot of these genres, and
<v Speaker 1>maybe this is because we're in like a post Dark
<v Speaker 1>Soul's world. We want our rough edges because we want
<v Speaker 1>to like like we wear them as badges of pride.
<v Speaker 1>Of Hey, I played this game, and I moved, I
<v Speaker 1>went through all its bullshit and I own its bullshit.
<v Speaker 1>Now I'm the king of this bullshit because I figured
<v Speaker 1>it out, and now I have this this identity that
<v Speaker 1>I can attach to this game of I'm someone who
<v Speaker 1>can handle a game like this. And I think Marathon
<v Speaker 1>being like we're going to be the very friendly version
<v Speaker 1>of this and trying to present it that way is
<v Speaker 1>maybe a bad idea. Right, I'm just fundamentally broken.
<v Speaker 3>I was trying to.
<v Speaker 2>Remember, like, wait, I've seen this video. Why it's because
<v Speaker 2>Maximilian like a watchdown stream one time to explain why
<v Speaker 2>fighting games are in a bad spot, right, now is
<v Speaker 2>because same thing there, they're trying to stand off two
<v Speaker 2>many rough edges, which you know, you take away some
<v Speaker 2>of that stuff. You're also taking away some of the depth,
<v Speaker 2>and you're taking away some of the reasons that people
<v Speaker 2>want to be there playing these games in the first place,
<v Speaker 2>because it does feel a little you know what you
<v Speaker 2>call like esoteric, I guess, compared to everything else, it
<v Speaker 2>feels so different. And when you try to take something
<v Speaker 2>like that, any of these genres that are more niche
<v Speaker 2>and make them much more mainstream rather than making them
<v Speaker 2>accessible in terms of like tutorials and like control methods
<v Speaker 2>and things like that, you really are taking away some
<v Speaker 2>of what makes them special and you are homogenizing I
<v Speaker 2>guess them. To me, Yeah, that's why when I look
<v Speaker 2>at Marathon, I'm like, well, how how is this different
<v Speaker 2>than any other shooter at this point? Oh? Because you
<v Speaker 2>keep some of the stuff when you leave the match.
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I guess I don't get it. And maybe
<v Speaker 2>I don't get it because they are taking way some
<v Speaker 2>of the stuff that people like from Tarakov and stuff
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Yeah, people point out and shat like sixty two
<v Speaker 1>micxs pubg to Fortnite happens successfully. That's like right, so
<v Speaker 1>it does. It has worked the other way where it
<v Speaker 1>takes something that is weird and strange make it friendly.
<v Speaker 3>And I would argue very straightforward though.
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, I think I think I'm with you on that.
<v Speaker 1>Like the the things that made PUBG different from Fortnite
<v Speaker 1>are it's it is very obsessed with like physics and
<v Speaker 1>things like that, and I do prefer that, But I
<v Speaker 1>don't think that game has the sort of it's not
<v Speaker 1>even as complicated as like a Pokemon like and I
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're talking about like these niche like like pokemons,
<v Speaker 1>like Pokemon's got like depth to it, like you like
<v Speaker 1>a kid that goes super super into Pokemon. It's like
<v Speaker 1>one of the things they like about it as a
<v Speaker 1>kid is they understand understand a world and the way
<v Speaker 1>things work that their parents don't understand, and that makes
<v Speaker 1>them feel an ownership of it. And that's that feeling
<v Speaker 1>never really goes away. And I don't think bat Royal's
<v Speaker 1>ever word that that Arroyales are, Oh it's cool to
<v Speaker 1>be the last person standing and that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just that, Yeah, it's an elimination mode basically.
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's why Call of Duty kind of took
<v Speaker 2>over from where PUBG was going, Like war Zone became
<v Speaker 2>the more quote realistic one of those because it is
<v Speaker 2>doing that stuff like you mentioned, with the physics and everything.
<v Speaker 2>The way it handles inventory and stuff was very similar,
<v Speaker 2>and so I think they were actually smart about making
<v Speaker 2>that a mode within another game effectively, even though war
<v Speaker 2>Zone has become even bigger than Call of Duty multiplayer,
<v Speaker 2>I think that was the right approach for them to
<v Speaker 2>take with that because someone, you know, as much as
<v Speaker 2>we hate the Call of Duty app, the client people
<v Speaker 2>do just stay in there and they slowly migrate from
<v Speaker 2>multiplayer over a war Zone or vice versa if they're
<v Speaker 2>getting tired to war Zone. And when you take that
<v Speaker 2>and try to make it its own, do we know
<v Speaker 2>how much Marathon they're like aiming for. They said it's
<v Speaker 2>not going to be a full price game, but it's
<v Speaker 2>going to be a premium price, so we're assuming well
<v Speaker 2>forty or fifty.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think we were assuming forty. The concord price
<v Speaker 1>is what we call it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Having that as opposed to be like a big free
<v Speaker 2>to play mode within Destiny or something similar to that,
<v Speaker 2>I think that might be.
<v Speaker 1>A tough sell for people, yep, and people keep bringing
<v Speaker 1>up our graders as well in chat, like that's an
<v Speaker 1>extraction shooter at least extraction Like. I haven't played it,
<v Speaker 1>but I know it has some of those elements, and
<v Speaker 1>people seem very hot on that one, so we'll see.
<v Speaker 1>That's from the team that did the finals, and the
<v Speaker 1>finals popped off really hard at first and kind of
<v Speaker 1>waned a little bit. I think our craaders might be
<v Speaker 1>able to get through that and get on the other
<v Speaker 1>side and become massive, as many people in chatter suggesting, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>Dusk Gulam, let's so I'm skipping this one. Oh, let's
<v Speaker 1>do this one first, because we were just talking about
<v Speaker 1>extraction shooters, So let's do this one. Escape from Tarkoff
<v Speaker 1>will finally escape early access this fall. This is from
<v Speaker 1>Blair mar Now at GameSpot. Battle State Games has been
<v Speaker 1>developing its intense first person tactical shooter Escape from Tarkoff
<v Speaker 1>since twenty twelve. All so the closed beta debuted in
<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen, players had no idea when to expect the
<v Speaker 1>full release. Now, Battle State Games has shared a new
<v Speaker 1>live action Escape from Tarkoff trailer that confirms its exit
<v Speaker 1>from early access this fall. The November fifteenth release date
<v Speaker 1>was revealed in the closing seconds of the video. Studio
<v Speaker 1>head Nikita Buyanoff subsequently confirmed the date on his Twitter account.
<v Speaker 1>Very little was shared about what will be included in
<v Speaker 1>Escape from Tarkoff version one at one point oh that is,
<v Speaker 1>presumably it will have some story content as well as
<v Speaker 1>refined maps, weapons, and quality of life improvements, but absent
<v Speaker 1>any further details from Battlestate Games, they can only speculate
<v Speaker 1>in this story. So yeah, I mean, this is another
<v Speaker 1>one where it's like, Okay, Tarkoff not even in one
<v Speaker 1>point zero, and this will be a moment when people
<v Speaker 1>do go check this game out. So this is like,
<v Speaker 1>this could be another sort of resurgence for that game,
<v Speaker 1>a game that doesn't really need a research it's already
<v Speaker 1>a super mega popular and it's like, God, Marathon definitely
<v Speaker 1>smart that they moved that game, because if this was
<v Speaker 1>happening at the same time, that would have looked really tough.
<v Speaker 1>But even by March of next year, which is which
<v Speaker 1>is now the expected to release date for Marathon, because
<v Speaker 1>they said it would be out this fiscal year, I
<v Speaker 1>think they're gonna it's gonna be tough with this and
<v Speaker 1>Arc Creators kind of circling it. It's gonna it's gonna
<v Speaker 1>be a tough space. Tarkoff already dominates it and that's
<v Speaker 1>not gonna change.
<v Speaker 5>Uh.
<v Speaker 3>Could you keep reading that next bullet point? Please?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's keep going here. Let's see. Battle State Games
<v Speaker 1>has kept a community of Escape from Tarkoff players together
<v Speaker 1>for over eight years. However, there have been some issues
<v Speaker 1>that caused friction between the studio and its fans, after
<v Speaker 1>releasing a one hundred and fifty dollars Edge of Darkness
<v Speaker 1>Limited Edition that was said to include all future DLC
<v Speaker 1>Battle State games released, Escape from Tarkoff Arena and the
<v Speaker 1>game's PV mode as separate two hundred and fifty dollars purchases.
<v Speaker 1>That led to a backlash against the studio and a
<v Speaker 1>subsequent apology from Battle State Games with a promise to
<v Speaker 1>let Edge of Darkness owners access PV mode the PV
<v Speaker 1>mode as well.
<v Speaker 3>That's the right target.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think I forgot about this aspect of this, remember,
<v Speaker 2>I think that might be what everyone's chasing though, is
<v Speaker 2>trying to get the Sikos to spend a lot of
<v Speaker 2>money in their game, and yeah, I know people who
<v Speaker 2>have spent a lot of money I Escape from Tarakov.
<v Speaker 2>Even if there's backlash, there's always people who want that
<v Speaker 2>sick oh shit, because if it's the one game they play, uh,
<v Speaker 2>they're willing to. I know a guy I used to
<v Speaker 2>work with, what what was it, whichever series the mech
<v Speaker 2>series are still going, Mech Warrior, Mech Assault, whichever one.
<v Speaker 3>It is in the new one.
<v Speaker 2>He was like, yeah, I've you know, over the years,
<v Speaker 2>I probably sent like a thousand dollars in micro transactions.
<v Speaker 3>I was just like, what do you mean?
<v Speaker 2>You've spent one thousand dollars in micro transactions as single game,
<v Speaker 2>even if it is over course of years. And I
<v Speaker 2>think the fact that some people are willing to pay
<v Speaker 2>for that kind of stuff is why you do see
<v Speaker 2>like Bungee and people going after it.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, as for Escape from Tarakov itself, boy, that's
<v Speaker 2>a long time for a one point oh huh huh.
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's I mean, that's what happens with some
<v Speaker 1>of these live service games like Fortnite was in beta
<v Speaker 1>for years and it's like, obviously that is a term
<v Speaker 1>you just make up. It doesn't mean anything. Uh, and
<v Speaker 1>and in this case probably this probably doesn't mean a
<v Speaker 1>lot either. But they can treat this like a big
<v Speaker 1>important marketing point and it is the kind of thing
<v Speaker 1>where they can introduce new stuff that is two hundred
<v Speaker 1>and fifty dollars and probably capture a lot more money.
<v Speaker 1>You're right, though, one that like a developer working on
<v Speaker 1>a game like this, goes to one of these like
<v Speaker 1>GDCS or a GDC equivalent, gives a talk about their
<v Speaker 1>whale spending, and people from these other publishers hear that
<v Speaker 1>and they just cannot help themselves. So like, we have
<v Speaker 1>to get in on this action.
<v Speaker 3>Now, that's why I see and stuff, right yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And but executing on that, especially for a a
<v Speaker 1>esoteric genre like this, very difficult. But they don't care
<v Speaker 1>about that. They just see the dollar signs. So and
<v Speaker 1>they have to learn to.
<v Speaker 2>Do the mental math that they basically have to steal
<v Speaker 2>audience from the other game, and that will not always
<v Speaker 2>be successful.
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Absolutely, it's uh, it's not surprising because it happens
<v Speaker 1>over and over again. These companies always do this. They
<v Speaker 1>see the dollar signs, chase them, they crash and burn,
<v Speaker 1>and then they go to the next thing to chase, and.
<v Speaker 3>It's yeah, they're like a fucking Looney Tunes character.
<v Speaker 2>Every single time they see the big old dollar signs
<v Speaker 2>in their eyes and they are the blinded to everything else.
<v Speaker 3>It's it's incredible.
<v Speaker 1>All right, Let's let's shift up gears here. Maybe no
<v Speaker 1>more extraction shooters for the moment. Dusk Gullum, who is
<v Speaker 1>someone who's leaks some stuff from Capcom before, there's a
<v Speaker 1>decent track record, not perfect, says Resident Evil Code Veronica
<v Speaker 1>remake being treated as a big budget, mainline Resident Evil game.
<v Speaker 1>This is from my Nintendo News. Resident Evil insider dusk
<v Speaker 1>Gullum has revealed some information on the long rumored Resident
<v Speaker 1>Evil Code Veronica remake from Capcom. Dusk Gullum says that
<v Speaker 1>the Resident Evil Code Veronica remake is being handled by
<v Speaker 1>the same team which worked on the excellent Resident Evil
<v Speaker 1>two and Resident Evil four remix, and that Capcom is
<v Speaker 1>treating it as a big triple A Resident Evil release,
<v Speaker 1>So expect fancy visuals and a moody, dark, dark atmosphere
<v Speaker 1>like a full blown upgrade for this for this game.
<v Speaker 1>As a reminder, this is one of the games that
<v Speaker 1>is expected either in twenty twenty seven or twenty twenty eight,
<v Speaker 1>but probably twenty twenty seven, and then Duscollum said they're
<v Speaker 1>also doing Resident Evil zero, which will probably follow in
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty eight, but we don't know those dates could
<v Speaker 1>be flipped. Hey, I that sounds real good to me.
<v Speaker 1>I think cod Roonic Code Veronica is ripe to get
<v Speaker 1>this treatment and a game that a lot of people
<v Speaker 1>liked at the time, but I think a lot of
<v Speaker 1>even Resident Evil fans in that moment didn't go to
<v Speaker 1>play it right away because it was on Dreamcast and
<v Speaker 1>people were used to that series on PlayStation, and then
<v Speaker 1>it showed up a bunch of other places later. But
<v Speaker 1>by that time, Resident Evil four was happening and it
<v Speaker 1>will released was coming, and Resident Evil four was like
<v Speaker 1>this huge change for the series, and it felt like
<v Speaker 1>everything else before that was a little bit archaic again
<v Speaker 1>in that moment. So I think like having them treating
<v Speaker 1>this as a big important game for Resident Evil is
<v Speaker 1>the right move. I think it's going to pay off
<v Speaker 1>and I'm looking forward to it. How about you?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Same.
<v Speaker 2>This is actually related to the story we talked about
<v Speaker 2>last week, the episode when they when Dusk Golam first,
<v Speaker 2>like talked about these things, and I do think I
<v Speaker 2>maintained I said back in that episode of Code Veronica
<v Speaker 2>and zero are the ones that need full on remakes.
<v Speaker 2>And I think some people were confused to why I
<v Speaker 2>said that five and six don't need remakes, and I
<v Speaker 2>do stand by that, because don't let your favorite angry
<v Speaker 2>YouTuber fool you. Five was a good game. It had
<v Speaker 2>awful AI, so it was bad to play on your own,
<v Speaker 2>but as a co op game, five rules six different conversation, Yes,
<v Speaker 2>because it's a it's an okay game. It's not a
<v Speaker 2>resident evil game in any way, shape or form. It's
<v Speaker 2>an action game. But as an action game, it's like
<v Speaker 2>fine enough. But those aren't necessarily the games and really
<v Speaker 2>need remakes. It's the ones that people want to see
<v Speaker 2>be good and do well and be saved from the
<v Speaker 2>tech of the time and mistakes that they made with it.
<v Speaker 2>And so Code Ronka and Zero had some interesting ideas,
<v Speaker 2>and so bringing back Code Ronca as yeah, like, like
<v Speaker 2>you said, this big budget game that like could you know,
<v Speaker 2>be scary, be spooky, like the residual to remake and
<v Speaker 2>everything like that to smooth over all the rough issues
<v Speaker 2>and everything like that. They could make that game really cool,
<v Speaker 2>whereas like you can only do so much saving of
<v Speaker 2>some of those newer games, yeah, weren't good like resuble six,
<v Speaker 2>Like it's kind of just like what's sunk cost fallacy.
<v Speaker 2>I guess at this point of like, well six is six,
<v Speaker 2>we're just gonna whatever.
<v Speaker 1>I think they do this, this full remake treatment to
<v Speaker 1>five and six eventually just it.
<v Speaker 3>Would have to be like a last resort thing.
<v Speaker 2>I think what Mike said the our day of that
<v Speaker 2>like one should come first as like another.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I agree with that, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, yeah, but but like at some point and it's
<v Speaker 1>the you know, the problem with that is like five
<v Speaker 1>needs reworking of its presentation, like just the way that
<v Speaker 1>they you know, they don't want to do the controversy
<v Speaker 1>all over again, so they will make some changes to
<v Speaker 1>that stuff. And but I I I think then that
<v Speaker 1>welcomes a full on rethinking of what that game is
<v Speaker 1>and that should lead them into six. But that's way
<v Speaker 1>down the line. That is not something you need to
<v Speaker 1>be concerned about right now. I'm with you that that
<v Speaker 1>those are games that people can play right now without
<v Speaker 1>much trouble and code Veronica get that updated first, that
<v Speaker 1>is clearly the priority. Even zero was the priority because
<v Speaker 1>that's a game where you can make that good. Now
<v Speaker 1>you just take do what you did to to Resident
<v Speaker 1>Evil two or in three and just but actually like
<v Speaker 1>make it play more like Resident Evil two and all
<v Speaker 1>this stuff, improve the piecing, all that. Yeah, there's a
<v Speaker 1>lot they can do there. So those are the right
<v Speaker 1>games to do first, And I just think Reside Evil
<v Speaker 1>continues to be in a really good spot with the
<v Speaker 1>stuff where and in the meantime you can look forward
<v Speaker 1>to the mainline games still happening over here. To distract
<v Speaker 1>you if the most recent remake wasn't your speed, like
<v Speaker 1>what happened with Reside Evil three, well, Resident Evil four
<v Speaker 1>it came not too long after that that was great,
<v Speaker 1>and then a Village was something that a lot of
<v Speaker 1>people liked. So yeah, I'm happy.
<v Speaker 3>Doing a great job with the series in general.
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Now, on the other hand, Capcom has not been
<v Speaker 1>satisfied with us Monster Hunt Munster, Monster Hunter Wild sales
<v Speaker 1>that which fell short of our expectations, according to the company.
<v Speaker 1>This is from Marcus Person at Game Reactor. You know
<v Speaker 1>that phrase. Despite strong reviews, Capcom's latest entry in the
<v Speaker 1>Monster Hunter series hasn't performed as well as the publisher
<v Speaker 1>had hoped At launched, the game was a massive success,
<v Speaker 1>breaking records and selling ten million copies within its first
<v Speaker 1>three months, but since then the momentum has slowed significantly.
<v Speaker 1>According to Capcom's most recently recent quarterly report, Monster Hunter
<v Speaker 1>wild sold just four hundred and seventy seven thousand copies
<v Speaker 1>during the last quarter. The last three months, well, the
<v Speaker 1>game has reached an impressive ten point eight million, and
<v Speaker 1>it's in total. The slowdown in recent months has left
<v Speaker 1>the company concerned. They said, sales of Monster Hunter Wilds
<v Speaker 1>during the first quarter fell short of our initial expectations.
<v Speaker 1>Now it's like we've seen some numbers elsewhere seawn that
<v Speaker 1>showed like, for at least some period in terms of
<v Speaker 1>unit sales, a Monster Hunter Rise was actually out selling
<v Speaker 1>Wilds for at least a couple months there, all right,
<v Speaker 1>And that's right, And that's I think that's probably what
<v Speaker 1>has them spooked of like, oh, people are so off
<v Speaker 1>of Wilds that they are going to other Monster Hunter
<v Speaker 1>games instead, and that's not a good sign for when
<v Speaker 1>we want to sell them more DLC or get them
<v Speaker 1>excited about the next Monster Hunter game. We could be
<v Speaker 1>paying for this one in the next game is are
<v Speaker 1>things really as bad as they sound for this game? Sean?
<v Speaker 1>I every time it comes up, chats just like that
<v Speaker 1>game's trash, and yeah, well I liked what I played,
<v Speaker 1>but I was never a Monster Hunter guy, so I
<v Speaker 1>was just like, this seems okay, but I can tell
<v Speaker 1>it's not as deep as it was before.
<v Speaker 2>I feel like we've talked a couple of times on
<v Speaker 2>this episode about the airnet overreacting to things, but definitely
<v Speaker 2>this is I think in contrast to why I literally
<v Speaker 2>just said about, yeah, they're doing everything right with the
<v Speaker 2>Resident Evil, they did something wrong with Moss Hunter, and
<v Speaker 2>I think I tried to express that as best as
<v Speaker 2>I could when we like were talking about and reviewing
<v Speaker 2>and stuff earlier in the year.
<v Speaker 3>Jesus, that was earlier this year.
<v Speaker 1>And then that's bananas action just messed up.
<v Speaker 3>Dude.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well it's just him mean right now, but they
<v Speaker 2>they took it. We talked about standing off rough edges
<v Speaker 2>earlier in the show, and they did that too much
<v Speaker 2>with Monster Hunter. I think the sales I was trying
<v Speaker 2>to like look at the sales numbers and be like, well,
<v Speaker 2>why aren't they upset here?
<v Speaker 1>Oh?
<v Speaker 2>Because sales dropped off a cliff, and I think the
<v Speaker 2>numbers do reflect this, this theory that I have. Everyone
<v Speaker 2>was excited for Wilds because Monster Hunter was in such
<v Speaker 2>a good spot. Everyone moved a world rise was really good.
<v Speaker 2>They were doing everything right, seemingly. And then Wild's come
<v Speaker 2>out and it's not the Monster Hunter game that most
<v Speaker 2>people want, even ignoring like the fact that runs like
<v Speaker 2>but it runs very poorly.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's just that that's the most common complaint in
<v Speaker 1>chat right now, is the performance for sure?
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's just stuck with empty framework for us wants
<v Speaker 2>to have ori E engine. That's a bit of a
<v Speaker 2>different discussion, I suppose. But even then, the fact that
<v Speaker 2>they did streamline Monster Hunters so much, they took away
<v Speaker 2>the sicko shit, and that's what people want.
<v Speaker 3>They master Hunter was growing.
<v Speaker 2>Without standing off rough edges. They just made things like
<v Speaker 2>like I was saying earlier, with like control inputs and
<v Speaker 2>methods and like streamlining multiplayer and stuff like that. They
<v Speaker 2>were making that stuff better so people could get to
<v Speaker 2>the sicko stuff eventually and learn the game. It's what
<v Speaker 2>people liked about Monster Hunter. It's what people like about
<v Speaker 2>the Soul's games. They like learning these games that are
<v Speaker 2>a bit difficult early on, but you get used to
<v Speaker 2>it and you learn how to improve. And especially with
<v Speaker 2>Monster Hunter being a thing you can do with your friends,
<v Speaker 2>people were letting their friends know about it. It's how
<v Speaker 2>games like say Foul Fantasy fourteen get huge. It's because
<v Speaker 2>your friend who loves it tells you this stuff is
<v Speaker 2>sick and they're willing to guide you through it until
<v Speaker 2>you get up to their level. And I think we're
<v Speaker 2>seeing here that word of mouth is hurting this game.
<v Speaker 2>Or people buy it because they're a fan of the series,
<v Speaker 2>or they're really looking forward to it, play it and
<v Speaker 2>they're you know, they'll be someone like me or like
<v Speaker 2>I know Christian feels the same way a lot too
<v Speaker 2>when we've talked about with him. I'm just like, man,
<v Speaker 2>they took away some of the stuff we love. This
<v Speaker 2>isn't really Monster Hunter anymore. It feels kind of like
<v Speaker 2>a different thing. And that's a bummer, man.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean the monster The one thing I
<v Speaker 1>know about Monster Hunter is it has this community of
<v Speaker 1>people who talk to each other to like get other
<v Speaker 1>people into the game, and with a guidgen Hunter or whatever.
<v Speaker 1>Is that the guy that like it does like really
<v Speaker 1>in depth tutorials and has done it for every one
<v Speaker 1>of these games, for all the weapons for years and
<v Speaker 1>years and years, and I think people like for as
<v Speaker 1>intimidating as that sounds, there is a gravity, a gravity
<v Speaker 1>that builds up when there are so many people on
<v Speaker 1>the other side of that intimidation wall being like it's
<v Speaker 1>so fun over here, like and we're gonna help you,
<v Speaker 1>like you said, like we're gonna we're gonna bring you in,
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna teach you all this stuff because we want
<v Speaker 1>you to play with us. And it's like that sounds
<v Speaker 1>like a bad experience, but I think we've discovered, at
<v Speaker 1>least for some games, for some genres, it is the experience,
<v Speaker 1>Like it is the thing that makes these things feel
<v Speaker 1>special in the end.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they didn't sell ten million off of what Monster
<v Speaker 2>Hunter Wilds actually is. They sold ten million off of
<v Speaker 2>what the series had become of. Hi thecomepoint, Yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>think that's why we see the drop off is because
<v Speaker 2>because yeah, it isn't that experience that you get to
<v Speaker 2>share with your friends in that way that I Yeah, I.
<v Speaker 3>It's weird because usually bad word of.
<v Speaker 2>Mouth, I think, especially on the Internet, doesn't actually hurt
<v Speaker 2>sales numbers of a game that much. But when it is,
<v Speaker 2>like like you just mentioned, so community focused, that's all
<v Speaker 2>the game kind of has, and so I think, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's that's why they see the sales metrics just absolutely
<v Speaker 2>plummet there, which is very unfortunate. I hope, I hope
<v Speaker 2>they can write the ship on this one, because there's
<v Speaker 2>there's a good game underneath. It's just all that little
<v Speaker 2>all the little issues that has the performance issues, you know,
<v Speaker 2>like having it be so story focused before you can
<v Speaker 2>get to the really cool hunts and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 2>They just need to like figure some of that stuff out.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe the inevitable expansion will fix some of that stuff.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I bet that that is like internally what they're like, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>we can, let's make some fixes. Now, make some improvements
<v Speaker 1>if we can, but we should probably just put all
<v Speaker 1>of our focus on getting the expansion correct because people
<v Speaker 1>will want it to be better. At that point, maybe
<v Speaker 1>they'll give us another chance, and that'll be the moment
<v Speaker 1>that we can really hit home that this is the
<v Speaker 1>Monster Hunter you were hoping it would be, really the
<v Speaker 1>realistic thing there is probably going to be the next
<v Speaker 1>game is where they do a lot of the corrections
<v Speaker 1>from what they've done here. So yeah, it might be
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a long wait. Yeah, last story
<v Speaker 1>revived publisher Acclaim is teasing something for next week. This
<v Speaker 1>is from Ali Reynolds and Nintendo Life. Sean, Like, you
<v Speaker 1>played N sixty four and stuff. A Claim was a
<v Speaker 1>big publisher on N sixty four. Do you have any
<v Speaker 1>any affinity for a Claim?
<v Speaker 3>Hold on, I am googling something.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, uh, I don't, Yeah, I get it. While you're
<v Speaker 1>doing I was like.
<v Speaker 3>I was like, did they publish Superman sixty four?
<v Speaker 1>Because that's that feels like that was that was Titus
<v Speaker 1>or Titois or whatever that is.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, whatever, No, I know I remember that Acclaim was
<v Speaker 2>very much just the will put anything out. They're like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, THQ will put anything out.
<v Speaker 3>Man.
<v Speaker 1>The number of games that I rented for the N
<v Speaker 1>sixty four that started up with the Acclaim logo was
<v Speaker 1>quite It was a huge percentage of those games. And
<v Speaker 1>I so I do have a little bit of an
<v Speaker 1>affinity for a Claim. But they're saying, okay, they are
<v Speaker 1>teasing something for next week. I don't think we really know,
<v Speaker 1>let me read the story and then we'll try to
<v Speaker 1>figure out what it could possibly be. Because I am stumped, Sean.
<v Speaker 1>Publisher Acclaim, which was revived earlier this year after more
<v Speaker 1>than two decades of dormancy, is teasing some sort of
<v Speaker 1>announcement for next week. It's tough to know what exactly
<v Speaker 1>this entails at this stage, and the only clue within
<v Speaker 1>the above tease there's a video is a very quick
<v Speaker 1>cut to show some sort of digital digital demonic face
<v Speaker 1>with power symbols surrounding it. We've screenshotted it. They put
<v Speaker 1>it up on their website over at Nintendo Life. Within
<v Speaker 1>its PR release, a Claim promises big things to come,
<v Speaker 1>and it's supposedly hard at work on its missions, missions
<v Speaker 1>to bring players unforgettable, lasting experiences that will keep them
<v Speaker 1>coming back for more. Sounds intriguing at least, and that's
<v Speaker 1>the story again, but we just we don't know what
<v Speaker 1>this is now. The reason that this is especially stumping
<v Speaker 1>for me, Sean is the games that it could be
<v Speaker 1>that come to mind when I think of a Claim
<v Speaker 1>to rock, someone else's already making that, and it claims
<v Speaker 1>not involved. That's over at Saber interactive. There is a
<v Speaker 1>new Tarak game. There's a shadow Man, I guess, but
<v Speaker 1>shadow Man is also it has already come back, at
<v Speaker 1>least in terms of a re release from Night Dive.
<v Speaker 1>I guess Extreme G no one is really calling for
<v Speaker 1>I like Extreme G. No one is asking for Extreme
<v Speaker 1>G to come back. Aggressive Inline No, no way. Rollerblading
<v Speaker 1>is a joke now, even though I love rollerblading, Aggressive
<v Speaker 1>inline fucks it does. It's a good game.
<v Speaker 3>It does.
<v Speaker 1>Fuck, that's right now. Then there's the licensed properties, and
<v Speaker 1>that's a whole there's no way that they're right. I
<v Speaker 1>mean maybe there is, but that's not something that people
<v Speaker 1>are gonna get excited about.
<v Speaker 3>Possible. Yeah, looking at this demonic face that was mentioned, Yes,
<v Speaker 3>what do you think? Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the trailer is just like a panning shot of
<v Speaker 2>CRTs that I'll say, no signal and then yeah, that
<v Speaker 2>demonic face pops up. That as all like Neon and stuff.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I don't know, maybe because has the revived acclaim
<v Speaker 2>done anything yet?
<v Speaker 3>I don't think so.
<v Speaker 2>I just remember what what someone says something about Jeff
<v Speaker 2>Jared and stuff. I'm like, wait, what is happening with
<v Speaker 2>the claim? I don't remember exactly what the story has
<v Speaker 2>been so far. Uh, maybe they're just announcing that they're
<v Speaker 2>coming back as an indie publisher and that's what we're
<v Speaker 2>looking at here, And.
<v Speaker 1>I mean they yeah, they did confirm that they were
<v Speaker 1>back earlier this year though, So yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe
<v Speaker 1>that's what it is. You're right, Maybe they're finding games
<v Speaker 1>and bringing other stuff, other people's stuff to the forefront,
<v Speaker 1>and that they're just trying to build up hype for that.
<v Speaker 1>So it's not necessarily something that a Claim has done
<v Speaker 1>before coming back that that it almost certainly has to
<v Speaker 1>be that, right, because I just can't see anything else
<v Speaker 1>because you.
<v Speaker 2>Look at yeah, you look at other stuff like say
<v Speaker 2>Atari coming back, and Atari, I actually think, well, we'll
<v Speaker 2>see if it pays off in the long run. I
<v Speaker 2>thought it was pretty smart about basically coming back as
<v Speaker 2>like investing in things that are working because they had
<v Speaker 2>money still apparently with.
<v Speaker 1>It with the with the common theme of of kind
<v Speaker 1>of nostalgic fort retro stuff.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, exactly. So maybe they're just trying to do
<v Speaker 2>the same thing here with the Acclaim brand.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, yeah, probably, I mean there's a cryptic
<v Speaker 1>people still want to keep starting up game publishers. It
<v Speaker 1>is a lucrative business if you can make it work.
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't always work, but people want to do this,
<v Speaker 1>So maybe that's this is them just trying to trade.
<v Speaker 1>It's definitely them trying to trade on a name that
<v Speaker 1>maybe had something at one point. I hesitate to even
<v Speaker 1>say Cachet it had said something, but I we're talking
<v Speaker 1>about it, so I guess that's it was maybe worth
<v Speaker 1>something to them if they had to pay to bring
<v Speaker 1>it back. Is that Jeff Jarrett the wrestler involved? But
<v Speaker 1>maybe yes, maybe.
<v Speaker 2>That's why that's why I was bringing up He's like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he's on the board or something.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe maybe they do some.
<v Speaker 2>It was like the one time Dan was interested in
<v Speaker 2>the news on the BombCast, Remember was when you brought
<v Speaker 2>that up.
<v Speaker 5>Man.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, well let's let's see. We'll find out
<v Speaker 1>next week. We'll definitely talk about it on Game mess mornings. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>that is going to do it for the headlines. Let's
<v Speaker 1>talk about Let's see, we got to wrap up the
<v Speaker 1>pole question from yesterday. So let's go in and grab
<v Speaker 1>that real quick poll question from yesterday. The results are in.
<v Speaker 1>Let me refresh that. Did we do the we actually
<v Speaker 1>put the post up the Paul yesterda from yesterday. Jam,
<v Speaker 1>maybe we didn't. We double check here. Thursday's question was
<v Speaker 1>if not, we'll post that today and we'll get the
<v Speaker 1>answer on Monday. Let's see question for you. Uh, I thought, yes,
<v Speaker 1>Where do you want to do? I thought I thought
<v Speaker 1>we did. I don't see it posted. We definitely talked
<v Speaker 1>about it. Where do you want to go in the
<v Speaker 1>next horizon Japan or somewhere else. We'll get that posted
<v Speaker 1>up and we'll get the results next week in the meantime. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>for it's the horizon. That's a good point. We should
<v Speaker 1>definitely clarify that. Although hey maybe yeah, why not?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, white lady in Japan? Why not?
<v Speaker 1>Why not? It could be yeah, it could bet Janson. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>all right, So we'll get that wrapped up next week.
<v Speaker 1>We will get to the bomb twelve here to wrap
<v Speaker 1>up this week here in a second. Before we do that,
<v Speaker 1>we should talk about what you can expect from us
<v Speaker 1>for the rest of the day. Upf is happening at
<v Speaker 1>three pm Eastern time, that's noon Pacific. We're going to
<v Speaker 1>be doing Bubbz Robo. So I'll be playing Bubbz three
<v Speaker 1>D refurbished. Dan will be playing Chibi Robo, which is
<v Speaker 1>just hit Nintendo Switch Online. So he tried it out
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. He's got up and running looking forward
<v Speaker 1>to that. I also might maybe we'll stream something before that.
<v Speaker 1>We'll see. I've got to take care of some other things,
<v Speaker 1>but maybe pick up one of these other games we've
<v Speaker 1>been talking about and play that on the SAE because
<v Speaker 1>we got some time before three pm. All right, I
<v Speaker 1>think with that out of the way, what we'll do
<v Speaker 1>is the Bomb twelve. Everybody, it's that time of the week.
<v Speaker 1>These are the twelve games that matter to people who
<v Speaker 1>have really been playing video games. Let me get the
<v Speaker 1>most updated list up here for everybody. This is for
<v Speaker 1>the week of August eighteenth. Let's start here at number twelve.
<v Speaker 1>Mafia the Old Country. That is, it's a second week
<v Speaker 1>on the It dropped a little bit. That's probably right
<v Speaker 1>for this game that seems to have a tepid response
<v Speaker 1>from people. It's fine for what it is, but because
<v Speaker 1>it's like trying to be like a slightly you know,
<v Speaker 1>slight more slight of a game, I think people were
<v Speaker 1>just like, yeah, cool, I'm glad that's happening, or it's
<v Speaker 1>an easy one to ignore. Everyone around here seems like
<v Speaker 1>very happy to ignore it. I'm happy with what I played,
<v Speaker 1>but I don't know if I'm gonna play anymore of it. Sean,
<v Speaker 1>how about you?
<v Speaker 2>I just never really had any interest in from the Dick. No,
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have any interest in the older Mafia games.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, even this, like switching genres a little bit,
<v Speaker 2>did nothing for me.
<v Speaker 1>Number eleven is Merge Maestro, still hanging out real strong.
<v Speaker 1>At the bottom half of the list that has been
<v Speaker 1>doing so for like three weeks now. Ninja Guide and
<v Speaker 1>Rage Bound is still on here. Number ten ye beat
<v Speaker 1>that game, really happy with it. Number nine street Fighter six.
<v Speaker 1>Although I did put this list together very late yesterday,
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of more Street Fighters six of folks came in,
<v Speaker 1>so maybe that should be higher. Maybe next week we'll
<v Speaker 1>be able to reflect that. Number eight is UFO fifty.
<v Speaker 1>Number seven is World of Warcraft that popped off hard
<v Speaker 1>this week, and I'm wondering if that's the Midnight the
<v Speaker 1>expansion has people excited. It's got to be that, right,
<v Speaker 1>so I you know, if that's all you know, with
<v Speaker 1>just the announcement of that getting people excited to go
<v Speaker 1>back to World of Warcraft. I bet that's going to
<v Speaker 1>shoot up the charts once Midnight is actually out. Number
<v Speaker 1>sixty is yeah, launched, Switch was it? It launched everywhere
<v Speaker 1>else except for Steam. It had just been on Steam.
<v Speaker 1>It was everywhere else. Although you're right to point out
<v Speaker 1>the Switch, that's definitely the version, the version that is
<v Speaker 1>having the biggest impact, absolutely all right. The top half
<v Speaker 1>of the chart, Number six Uma Musume pretty Derby the
<v Speaker 1>horse girls run strong and they run wild and free
<v Speaker 1>on this chart. Number five is Battlefield six. Despite the
<v Speaker 1>beta being over, a lot of people were submitting that
<v Speaker 1>game over the weekend, and yeah, it's still very high
<v Speaker 1>on this trait. It was in the top three last week.
<v Speaker 1>So even still being in the top five after the
<v Speaker 1>beta's over, impressed. Number four Death Stranding two, which does
<v Speaker 1>mean there is a new game in the top three,
<v Speaker 1>and that Sword of the Sea. The sort of the
<v Speaker 1>c is that new one from Giant Squid. I think
<v Speaker 1>it's the name of the studio. One of the people
<v Speaker 1>that worked on Journey is in charge of that that studio,
<v Speaker 1>And this is a very Journey like game. I started
<v Speaker 1>it last night, Sean, I'm I'm into it. It's got
<v Speaker 1>a really good feeling of riding that sort around like
<v Speaker 1>a snowboard or a surfboard. I was just kind of
<v Speaker 1>really just going over hills, holding the A button to
<v Speaker 1>prime my jump and letting go and just feeling how
<v Speaker 1>good that felt. Was really nice.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, ryanrona Sword is very good. Idea a lot last year,
<v Speaker 2>jeff In Metafour refont Asia.
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know. Is that a game number two
<v Speaker 1>Clare Obscure Expedition thirty three. That's my game of the week, everybody,
<v Speaker 1>That's what the one I voted for. Yeah, that's uh,
<v Speaker 1>of course, just a game that seems to have momentum
<v Speaker 1>bursting from its seams because people are constantly checking out.
<v Speaker 1>I hear people talking about, hey, beat it, and because
<v Speaker 1>of the updates, I want to go back to it
<v Speaker 1>and try some other things that I didn't do before.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think that that's a game that people
<v Speaker 1>are just gonna be playing throughout the rest of the year.
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that it drops off the Bomb twelve
<v Speaker 1>until sometime in twenty twenty six. Number one Donkey Kong Bonanza.
<v Speaker 1>It has been number one every week that we've done
<v Speaker 1>the Bomb twelve, including this one. Maybe drops off next
<v Speaker 1>week because of middle gear. Maybe we'll see there's no
<v Speaker 1>guarantees zoom.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I dropped from first to second or something
<v Speaker 3>like that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, at the very least, though, I expect that to
<v Speaker 1>be hanging around on the charts for quite some time.
<v Speaker 3>At a game. I did the rehearsals, by the way,
<v Speaker 3>I did all.
<v Speaker 1>The okay, yeah, right though, that's good stuff, right, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>very fun.
<v Speaker 3>Definitely more of what I wanted on that game.
<v Speaker 1>All right, And that's the Bomb twelve. We'll have another
<v Speaker 1>one next Friday. If you want to submit your game,
<v Speaker 1>you want to have your say on the Bomb twelve,
<v Speaker 1>go to giant bomb dot com. The blog post for
<v Speaker 1>this Bomb twelve is up right now. At the bottom
<v Speaker 1>you'll find a link to a form where you could
<v Speaker 1>submit your game, so go check that out. Also post
<v Speaker 1>updates reminders throughout the week on my Blue Sky or
<v Speaker 1>maybe on the Giant Bombs Blue Sky. We'll see, all right.
<v Speaker 1>So with that out of the way, let's wrap the
<v Speaker 1>show up. Sean, thank you so much for hanging out
<v Speaker 1>with me today and talking about video games. Man, I
<v Speaker 1>really appreciate it.
<v Speaker 3>So it's fun time.
<v Speaker 1>Jeff, Thank you Jan for producing. Thank you everybody for
<v Speaker 1>watching and listening. You are the best audience in gaming.
<v Speaker 1>Until next time, have a good one, take care of
<v Speaker 1>yourself and goodbye.