Episode 1: Being Wrong In Three Acts - Introduction

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I'm Jane Messineo Lindquist.

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And I'm Mark Lindquist.

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And this is.

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Madcap Radio.

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Hi, Jane.

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How are you? Good. How are you?

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So this is our inaugural podcast, baby.

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Talking to my husband, not my baby.

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I would like to talk about being wrong.

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Well, that's about time.

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No, not wrong with you
honey, I'm never wrong with you.

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This is in life about being wrong. Okay.

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Mm hmm.

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In that case, I stand corrected.

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I want to start the conversation
with talking about

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what does it take
to be a great dog breeder?

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Because that's what we always aspire to
do, is help people be great dog breeders.

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So, honey, what do you think it takes
to be a great dog breeder?

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Oh, geez, is that.

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I wasn't ready for that.

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I .... wasn’t ready for that one Oh, man.

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A lot of a lot of patience.

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Fortunately, I have a handy answer.

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Ready? I happen to have the answer.

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Actually, what makes a good dog
breeder to me is no different

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than what makes you great at anything.

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Which is three things.

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First is knowledge, right?

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You have to know how to do it.

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You got to know how to fly the plane.
Right, honey?

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My husband is a retired airline pilot,
so we use a lot of

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airline pilot

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comparisons.

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That's because it's
the only thing I understand.

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Mm hmm.

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Well, thank God you just stood it.

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Well,
it would have been bad if you didn't.

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So, you know, you need knowledge.

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You need to know how to do it.

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But then you need experience

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to transform
the knowledge into competency.

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Because just knowing, you know, book
smarts doesn't do you any good.

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You have to do it. True.

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But just doing something

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again
and again does not make you good at it

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unless, and this is the big third one
that we're going to be talking about,

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you have the intellectual humility
to learn from your experience,

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and especially

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when that new experience conflicts

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with what you think you already know, i.e.

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you find out that you were wrong

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about something.

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So without any doubt,
I mean, we can agree, right?

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The third one is the hardest one.

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Oh, absolutely. Right. Without a doubt.

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Without a doubt.

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Because nobody likes to be wrong.

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Why do you think we don't really like
to be wrong?

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It's humiliating.

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It's humiliating, right?

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Well, wrong doesn't win.

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Mm hmm.

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I mean, on the outward view,
wrong doesn't win.

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Right. Wrong. It's failure.

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There's a lot of things that go along with
being wrong that aren't pleasant.

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Mm hmm.

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And it's interesting, because there's
actually an evolutionary basis to this.

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Our sort of evolutionary brain

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job is to make order out of chaos.

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So we create these stories,
and we will fight very hard

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any information
that conflicts with the story

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and people form tribes around stories.

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I mean, not just tribes like people
that didn't live in suburbia tribes,

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but even on the Internet,

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you'll hear people say, well, that's
not my tribe or my tribe is this or that.

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And people, you know, they
they have these stories.

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And and when information conflicts
with that,

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it's really almost physically violent

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to to the people to have to admit

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that they were wrong.

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I'm all ears.

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You're all ears.

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I mean, it's deep in our DNA.

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In fact,
they're they actually did studies on

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people who were proven wrong,

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like cults that were proven wrong.

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Like there was this one cult that

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believed that spaceships
were going to come

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and take them away, and everybody else on
the earth was going to perish.

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And the the date happened.

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And this did not happen, obviously,
because we're making this podcast

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from the US, not from Mars.

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So but then when it didn't happen,

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you think, what, that everybody's
going to be like, well, that was a crock.

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I'm going home by that.

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Well, that was wrong.
We were wrong about that.

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No way. That is not what happened.

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That is not what happened.

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They rewrote the facts
to coincide with our story and they said,

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Oh, well, the reason it didn't happen
is because we prayed hard.

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And that's that's
why the spaceships didn't come.

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But they've studied this phenomenon.

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And the question is
why is it so persistent

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for humans
to believe things that just aren't true?

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And the answer is
that there is an evolutionary advantage

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to irrational belief

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when it when it connects you to a tribe,

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because they found in societies

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where, you know,
people are still fighting like tooth

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and nail or were fighting tooth and nail
just for survival against each other,

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that the societies that

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held irrational beliefs,
even in the face of facts,

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were better able to defend
because they would

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defend something
completely irrational right to the death.

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And it would it would defend their tribe.

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So their tribe
had an evolutionary advantage.

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So that's great
if you're living, you know,

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in the jungle and literally fighting tooth

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and nail
with the neighboring tribe for food.

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But in modern society,
where we're technology and information

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driven, that is kind of the kiss of death
to be that way.

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I mean, kiss of death,
if you want to be good at anything.

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This is why

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I'm starting with this for our podcast,
because we are doing that breeder course

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From Newborn to New Home,
which is following what we do

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with the litter from birth to placement.

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And there's a couple things in there
that are different from what we did

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in Puppy Culture.

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I mean, we've evolved some, some things.

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And I think, you know, we have to tell

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a little bit of the back story
about why we changed things.

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And also to put it out there that

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changing the way you do things

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is not a sign of weakness.

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It's a sign of strength.

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It's a sign that you're able
to learn from your experience and improve.

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And we are always improving.

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That is definitely our mantra.

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Well then why call it wrong?

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Well,
I mean, I put out wrong because again,

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I want people to feel that in their soul,
like, ooh, no, I don't like to be wrong.

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No, I'm wrong
because that that's like you have to have

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a different conditioned emotional response
to being wrong.

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Like right now your natural genetic
conditioned emotional.

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It's not even conditioned.
It's your emotional response.

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It's not conditioned to being wrong
is going to be very negative

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because if it's threatening your place
in the tribe

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when you're wrong, when you're wrong,
when your tribe is wrong,

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that that is cataclysmic
on a very cellular level for people.

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But the evolved person

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has a

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conditioned emotional response
to being wrong, of excitement, of saying,

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Oh, this could be my opportunity
for growth.

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In fact, that's my only opportunity
for growth is when I'm

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doing something and somebody comes up
with another way to do it

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and I see, Oh, I might be wrong
about the way I'm doing something.

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The evolved person is excited.

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Well, that's that is

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I would assume, a learned behavior
over time.

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Exactly.

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Which is why I'm saying at Puppy Culture,

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I feel like our focus has switched
from specifically like

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this is the way you do things to
this is how you think about things

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and this is how you're able to assimilate
the information that's in front of you

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because that is what makes you
a great breeder or a great anything.

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Yeah. Goes throughout life.

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Throughout life.

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All right. I'm excited.
What's on the list?

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What are the three things?

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I think we should call this

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being wrong in three acts.

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Okay, okay. Continue.

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Act one,

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low birth weight puppies.

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Okay.

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I don't know what being wrong
and low birth weight puppies

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has to do with anything, but.

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Well, it all shall be revealed shortly.

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All right.

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Act Two Food Wars.

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Okay.

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Act three

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early off premises.

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socialization.

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Well, well, yeah, I know that one.

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Well, that's exciting.
I'm looking forward to this.

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Okay.

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Maybe. Maybe not.

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I don't know. I might be wrong.

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A play on words.

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Oh, good. one, honey.

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Just went right over my head. Oh.

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Okay. Ready for act one?

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Sure.

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Okay.