The Art of Thrifting and High-End Handbag Authentication with Shelby Wilder

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<v Speaker 1>Hi and welcome to the Handbag Designer 101 podcast with your host, emily Blumenthal, handbag designer expert and handbag fairy godmother, where we cover everything about handbags, from making, marketing, designing and talking to handbag designers and industry experts about what it takes to make a successful handbag.

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<v Speaker 1>Shelby Wilder, welcome to Handbag Designer 101, the podcast Shelby handbag authenticator to the stars and if not the stars, well, clearly I'm sure, the people you're authenticating bags that don't want to know that they're getting their bags authenticated.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a hot, hot, hot topic.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>I am excited.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you're more excited because then I just look silly.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, emily.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having me on today.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very excited to have this conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Handbags are a passion and a love of mine, and ready to dig in.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.

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<v Speaker 1>So are you a labels girl, and have you always been.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a labels girl.

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<v Speaker 2>I am actually the opposite, and meaning I love to thrift, right Like I don't have to have a label.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd rather have a well constructed garment or bag or you know what have you.

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<v Speaker 2>So it doesn't have to be a label for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I like timeless things that, just you know, stand the test of time and that look good.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yes, not a labels girl, but I do have my favorites, you know, when it comes to labels in terms of handbags.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm sure you know, if you go back 10 years, even five years, even pre-pandemic, this construct of the circular economy meaning buying old versions of bags wasn't as hot as it is, and I always said that if you were ever going to go to a flea market, the bag that you'd be most likely to find would be a coach bag, like a coach bag, probably pre-Sarah Lee, before they were acquired and bought it back because you know their whole story was that it was baseball mitt leather and therefore you know baseball mitts it's like leather is a skin, so it gets that lovely shine, wear and tear.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know nowadays like any bag that people bought with their hard-earned cash could now be recycled, resold, repurposed of some shape or form.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get into, you know, your story of handbags, how you fell into this and how you are an authenticator and what are some things we can look for.

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<v Speaker 1>And, of course, as independent designers, is there an opportunity to potentially get your bag to that circular market or what can people do to construct their bag so it can stand that test of time?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so let's get started to your handbag journey, shelby, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so my handbag journey.

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<v Speaker 2>Where did it all begin?

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<v Speaker 1>Where did it all begin?

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<v Speaker 1>Take us back.

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<v Speaker 1>Where did it all begin?

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<v Speaker 1>Where did it all begin?

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<v Speaker 1>Take us back.

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<v Speaker 2>Where did it all begin?

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<v Speaker 2>I, my grandmother, always a grandmother yeah is where it started, and she was never a labels girl or anything, but she always bought nice things, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Always put together.

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<v Speaker 2>Always put together.

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<v Speaker 2>And my grandmother purchased this really beautiful wicker bag from a estate sale or garage sale.

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<v Speaker 2>She paid 25 cents for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, very beautiful wicker bag.

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<v Speaker 2>It has this gold plate on it Beautiful handle.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gold and black.

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<v Speaker 2>This gold plate on it, beautiful handle, it's gold and black.

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<v Speaker 1>just beautiful, just a beautiful thing to look at An iteration that Kate's been put out of course.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really beautiful and, you know, as time went on, she just kind of passed this bag down to me and I probably got my hands on it, maybe around 13 or 14.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's where it started, because I felt that this was such a beautiful piece to carry around and it was something that I was very happy to have because it was from her.

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<v Speaker 2>But I could also just appreciate the craftsmanship, just the look of it, all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's where my initial you know, love for handbags started to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>And then, as time went on, of course, being in high school, there are a lot of you know people that are into the labels and you know, you kind of see what your friends are wearing, and so that's kind of how I got introduced.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it ironic, though, because everyone's carrying a backpack and then a bag, but they have a bag.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, right With it, right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So of course, you know you always.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I've always known of, you know Louis Vuitton and you know Chanel, and I had already known that, but I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>It was probably until I was in high school and seeing everyone kind of like weren't rocking their bags.

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<v Speaker 2>And so true story in high school is when I kind of got the bug of wanting to like wear what everyone else was wearing right, like wearing the, you know, the bags, and of course, most of the kids in my school were not wearing authentic bags, right, and so, you know, getting my hands on an authentic bag at that time was like, you know, gucci was called Moochie, yes, so you know, getting my hands on an authentic bag at that time was like, you know, gucci was called moochie, yes, yeah, but you know, we found our way to, you know, get these replica bags.

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<v Speaker 2>So, you know, I had a couple of those in high school.

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<v Speaker 2>When I got to college, though it was kind of like, oh, you know, I had experiences where these bags fell apart on me, you know, and I was just like this is crap, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Experiences where these bags fell apart on me, you know, and I was just like this is crap, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I started to feel like, you know, I really want to like step it up, elevate and like really yeah, yeah and like really carry something that's nice, even if I just have one nice bag, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So that is when I really started to like appreciate, like know, just wanting to carry the real thing, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>And so my first bag like a lot of other women were was a speedy, was a LV.

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<v Speaker 2>That was my first purchase, right, why?

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<v Speaker 2>And it just felt good.

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<v Speaker 1>Why, why, why, why, why, why that one?

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<v Speaker 2>Why?

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<v Speaker 2>I think because it was probably the one that you see the most and you thought it was the it bag at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're talking 2000 and early 2000.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, actually it's earlier that's 2003, for I say right 2003, 2002 yeah yeah, we're talking early, early 2000, and so that was the first one and it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the saying goes, when you kind of like get that first one, you get that itch and then you're like wanting more.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I got intrigued by like really understanding like what is it about this bag, right, that is so detailed, so particular, so real compared to all the fake crap that I was wearing.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when I started to like really study and you know, really I was reading books and, you know, trying to really figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I mentioned earlier that I'm a thrifter, so I wanted to know, like how can I, you know, get some of these real bags from the thrift store because I would see them?

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<v Speaker 2>But I didn't know how get some of these real bags from the thrift store because I would see them, but I didn't know how to authenticate them.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to start to do that, like I want to save money, right, but also carry a fabulous bag that's real and be able to authenticate it.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you got the speedy.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember how much you paid?

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<v Speaker 1>Because that's a key point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I paid at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>It was around $795.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was $700, in the $700 range.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you were in college.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>It is Period Like.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care how old you are, that's a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>So I assume you must've been 1920 for that purchase.

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<v Speaker 1>So how did you save that money?

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<v Speaker 1>How did you justify saving it for this?

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<v Speaker 1>Because the mindset of this is very, very specific.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>I worked in college, so I had a job on campus working in the student equity office, and then I also worked in the.

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<v Speaker 2>We had like a little convenience store.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a two job purchase.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yep, we had like a little convenience store on campus, and so I worked both of those jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's like 12 an hour approximately.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's like at least 12 an hour, yeah, so that's like a three semester purchase.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it took some time to save up, but yeah, I managed it and that's impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you told said family members because they saw you with said purchase, knowing that you were working and going to school, was there a pushback Like what the hell's wrong with you, or well done.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was more of a well done, because I didn't have to ask anyone for anything you know, and I'm still going to school, taking care of business, maintaining you know, my grades, I'm keeping up with what I need to do on an academic you know level, and so it was really a reward to myself for not only the hard work that I'm like doing in school, but also the hard work to earn the money right, yeah, yeah, well done.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm putting that right back.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, okay, so yeah, we are thrifting.

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<v Speaker 1>We have our 795 speedy bag.

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<v Speaker 1>Then what yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that speedy bag really was the construct for me to like, really like understand how to break down a bag and that's a terminology that we use a lot when I work years later and at StockX how to break down a bag.

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<v Speaker 2>So I literally turned that bag inside out, investigated every yeah, you can do that with the speedy, it's very pliable, yeah did you?

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<v Speaker 1>did you start taking notes like yeah, I mean more?

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<v Speaker 2>mental, maybe right, because again, I'm a thrister.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm really like mentally keeping things in mind in terms of construction, detail, heat, stamping, you know all of those things that make a bag a bag Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So I would do that and then start to compare to, like friends, you know replica bags and things like that, right, just to understand the craftsmanship.

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<v Speaker 2>So that is where the intrigueness came in in terms of wanting to understand and know what makes a bag authentic, and from there it just went on.

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<v Speaker 2>I have thrifted, at least I would say, about maybe eight authentic bags that I would think are brands.

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<v Speaker 1>I've thrifted Prada, I've thrifted Chanel, louis, Vuitton, were these estate sales or like random, because that's where I would assume you'd find them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so not estate sales.

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<v Speaker 2>Surprisingly, I have been to a number of estate sales where I've seen real items, whether it's bag or shoes, and typically it's overpriced, and so I just leave those Of course.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but no, these are regular old thrift stores that I got lucky and it just being able to teach myself how to authenticate the bag.

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<v Speaker 2>What state was this in?

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<v Speaker 1>in michigan gotcha, because that also tells the story too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and also emily.

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<v Speaker 2>This is we're talking free, I guess popularity time when people weren't thrifting the way that they are now yeah people are wandering now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people are now.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's a thrifter right.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone loves, everyone loves thrifting.

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<v Speaker 1>So listen, it's very annoying.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so annoying because, listen, when I started my handbag line and, having tried to sell my bag to every single major retailer higher end, I got such ptsd walking into department stores because either they bought my bag, they didn't buy my bag, they were thinking about buying my bag and I was so used to shopping from a retail anthropological point of view, like, how are they shopping, what are they doing?

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<v Speaker 1>That I physically could not go into a store boutique without getting like stressed that I organically ended up going to vintage thrift and that's literally where all my stuff started coming from.

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<v Speaker 1>I started redesigning my dresses and the smell of like wet nastiness became so comforting I was like, oh, I'm home, here we go, I can find something I know.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>I know exactly what you thought Talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Thrifting for me is so therapeutic really is, and there is nothing like being able to go find something, whether it's a bag of great mirror boots or a dress.

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<v Speaker 2>The hunt, the hunt is so satisfying, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you see all these other people and I'm like don't be a bottom beater, get out, yeah, you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm here, I hate it, but I do too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we would like high five, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's unbelievable, so, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're in michigan, you're hustling, you found these bags.

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<v Speaker 1>So then you're kind of educating yourself in terms of like, here's these unique points that make these particular bags what they are now.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you call out, said friends, saying like PS, you got, you know, you know yours isn't real.

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<v Speaker 1>Or you just said it to yourself, because I would think about that, just saying yeah, I would just say it, I would say it to myself.

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<v Speaker 2>One particular story I had a friend.

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<v Speaker 2>This is when I had worked at StockX for two years, so from about 2017 to 2019.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had a friend that she was so convinced that a bag that an aunt of hers had was a real Hermes bag.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, you know, she showed me the bag and I'm like, yeah, no, and so, yeah, so did try to explain to her why that bag wasn't real.

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<v Speaker 2>But she's like, no, she paid this amount for it, this, this or that.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I'm like, let people live.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna let denial yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm behind me there, live with that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I I don't try to convince anyone that their bag is or isn't right.

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<v Speaker 2>I just kind of like mental note for me.

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<v Speaker 1>If they let me check it out, then I can you know also, you know that person can be played, so it's good to remember that too yeah yeah, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So you became this like expert drifter.

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<v Speaker 1>You had these bags.

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<v Speaker 1>At what point did you start saying like, oh, I can do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Or oh, oh, I think I'm an expert?

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<v Speaker 1>Like how did this manifest into you being a proper authenticator?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think when I really felt confident that I was like a proper authenticator is from the training that I got when I went to StockX.

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<v Speaker 2>So what they did is sent me.

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<v Speaker 2>I was lead handbag authenticator and at the time that I started working there, the handbag arm of the business, if you will, was just starting up, because Sock X is known for shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>They are known for yeah, for sneakers, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So we had the sneakers going, but then they were starting up the handbag and then the watches, and so I was at the beginning stages of that all.

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<v Speaker 2>So, fortunately, I got to get a lot of training through the RealReal.

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<v Speaker 2>They had this one class that you could take virtually, and so we went through a lot of different training Again how to break down a bag, every pretty much label that you can think of, and even for those labels that are more unknown, if you will, just what to be on the lookout for Leather grain, you know again, construction, just a number of things.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think after that time that I spent going through you know those different trainings and actually going out to some of the sites to look at you know their warehouse operations and things like that, and seeing more things for myself and holding it and feeling it.

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<v Speaker 1>That is when I felt like, okay, I definitely can tell now you know real versus fake, you know, and so call out some like, if you can throw in some labels, what are some key things that people should look for, like, you know, the wavy chanel, like just some things that people could look out for and saying, ah, here's some things that you should, yeah, think about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, think about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a very easy one.

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<v Speaker 2>For me is the serial code on a Chanel bag, right?

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<v Speaker 2>A dead giveaway is the what do you call it?

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<v Speaker 2>The fonts of the numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>A dead giveaway is the font of the numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>So you knowel is very specific on the numbers, having like a strikethrough on the zeros, a serif, like underline under the one, so you have the one with the line under the numbers are always, you know, have these certain distinct?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, have these certain distinct?

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<v Speaker 2>You know characteristics to them.

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<v Speaker 2>We see a number of Chanel bags that are not authentic and they have these sticker serial codes in them and the numbers are way off right.

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<v Speaker 2>So that is a very like an easy way to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're looking at Chanel, like you may think and some people are very convinced like, oh, but this bag is real leather, well, they're doing a better job of integrating that right, they're calling them one-to-ones or there's another name for them too, and they're making them with real leather.

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<v Speaker 2>They're using better materials like the grommets or the chains and things like that to pull them together.

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<v Speaker 2>They are doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>But there are so many other distinct things to look for and in the Chanel for the Chanel brand, if you look at that serial number and it's, you know, not the right strikethroughs on the zeros or the ones doesn't have, like the serif underline the way that the two is shaped.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a dead giveaway that it's not authentic.

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<v Speaker 1>Today I had a friend that was getting his girlfriend a Louis bag, and I know certain Louis bags don't have lining and this bag had a lining and I'm like he's like, oh, it's lined.

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<v Speaker 1>I said then I don't think it's real because they don't line those bags.

00:20:32.111 --> 00:20:34.458
<v Speaker 1>And he said, well, isn't it better that it's lined?

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, well, not if she wants a real one.

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<v Speaker 1>And just those nuances are.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're valuable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they are.

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<v Speaker 1>And, to point out, a lot of times these replicas are made and people don't even know this are made out of pig leather, which is a lot cheaper.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if treated can actually mirror that of cow leather and so forth, not lamb, because lamb is very thin and fine and lightweight.

00:21:01.269 --> 00:21:04.765
<v Speaker 1>But it's a lot of things that people don't even realize.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that, you have a pig leather bag, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, a lot of things that people don't even realize.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's, you have a pig leather bag, truly right right.

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<v Speaker 2>Another one I want to point out, emily.

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<v Speaker 2>I think people think that if they have like there's like I know I've seen this with louis vuitton specifically there's these little plastic tags that come on fake bags that louis vuitton well, fake lou Louis Vuitton bags, and people have like I remember going back and forth this was at with someone at StockX who was very convinced that this bag was real because they had this little plastic ring like attached to it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, if that isn't a dead giveaway, like whenever you ever walked into the Louis Vuitton store, anything plastic you know hanging like a swift tag, like a kind of yeah, yeah and I'm like you know these designer bags like when you go into the store you don't see tags hanging from anything you've

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<v Speaker 2>never gone into, or you know, or an answer.

00:22:05.124 --> 00:22:26.407
<v Speaker 2>You've never seen tags hanging from anything, right, like someone brings the product out to you and they'll open it up and usually there's, like you know, I know, for Chanel at least there's like a little paper thing insert and inside that'll have the price on it, but everything is very buttoned up, very, you know, discreet and clean.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's another giveaway, like if you see any tags hanging plastic, you know it's not real.

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<v Speaker 2>I can guarantee you it's not real.

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<v Speaker 2>So just another one to throw out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Because, you know, like I have friends that have had old Chloe bags or Dior bags.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like thinking of the shape and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>You know the Sex and the City bags.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Are these bags that people should consider selling?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is it because the market is so flooded with bags like this that it's almost not even worth it at this point?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good question.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's dependent upon, like, what you feel like you would want to like.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have an affinity for keeping that bag, if it's near and dear to your heart, keep it.

00:23:19.496 --> 00:23:28.402
<v Speaker 2>But if you don't think that it's something that you feel like you can utilize, or you don't really love it anymore, then I think it's dependent on the person.

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<v Speaker 2>I myself, you know, for some of those older it bags I've let them go, like that speedy is no longer a part of my collection.

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<v Speaker 2>I tend to like the things that bring me, you know, like that stand the test of time, one that's purposeful and useful but that I really like to look at right.

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<v Speaker 2>And so, you know, and I feel like there's like a time like the speedy was a time for me, even my never full, like I still have it, but I don't rock it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know, it's kind of like a dusty bag at this point but like some of the bags that I do love and cherish I know I'll never sell is like my Chanel wallet on a chain, chanel walk, like that's a special bag to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a coach bag that I really like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not the tab tabby but it has puffy C on it.

00:24:25.015 --> 00:24:28.121
<v Speaker 2>It's like a Sancho I don't know the exact name for that.

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<v Speaker 2>I really love that.

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<v Speaker 2>So the things that I really really love and I don't want to part with because you know they're just special to me, I'll keep them Rather.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a older Sex and the City type bag or something that is newer.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that it just depends on the person if they want to part with it or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there, from a handbag authenticator, expert eye.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know, people buy toys and they keep them in the packaging, right, and I know that at some point they'll have value.

00:25:04.227 --> 00:25:12.105
<v Speaker 1>Those knuckleheads don't even end up selling them, they just keep them in the packaging, which to me, why buy something if you're not going to play with it?

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're making an investment, a proper investment, in these bags, because 700 from you know 2004 is today's $1,500.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, the bag is double.

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<v Speaker 1>How can people work, use their bags Because bags are, you know, they're an extension of who we are.

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<v Speaker 1>We abuse them.

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<v Speaker 1>We use them.

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<v Speaker 1>How can somebody take care of their bag in order to preserve its value without saying like I'm not going to sacrifice my life for this particular item?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>yeah, well, here's the thing I'm a firm believer.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like you, emily, like toys are meant to be played with, like your bags are meant to be carried Right, and I know that you know we spend a lot of money for these things and you want to make sure that you are preserving them and not messing them up, but you also should be enjoying them.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that you have to like beat it around and sling it and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like fill it with rocks literally.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fill it up with stuff Intentionally, right, I'm not saying that, but do understand that you get one life to live, right?

00:26:19.155 --> 00:26:20.500
<v Speaker 2>You buy this expensive bag.

00:26:20.500 --> 00:26:21.803
<v Speaker 2>Why have a few.

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<v Speaker 2>Just so you know, yeah, why not carry it?

00:26:25.261 --> 00:26:33.603
<v Speaker 2>You know why not enjoy it and know that, yeah, it may get a little tiny scratch on it, it may get, you know, a little ding on it.

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<v Speaker 2>The leather may scuff or whatnot, but you're supposed to enjoy it and carry it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I have sent a number of bags to leather surgeons.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that needed a little bit of pick me up after a while.

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<v Speaker 2>The Chanel walk is one of them.

00:26:49.946 --> 00:26:51.076
<v Speaker 2>It's one of my favorites.

00:26:51.076 --> 00:26:55.325
<v Speaker 2>Again, it's the Chanel walk, camellia, the flower, floral print.

00:26:55.685 --> 00:26:58.679
<v Speaker 2>That bag has been beat up because it's like an everyday bag.

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<v Speaker 2>The corners have you got worn.

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<v Speaker 2>I've sent it out to leather surgeons.

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<v Speaker 2>They given it a bag, right yeah, and brought it back to life.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know I go from there.

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<v Speaker 2>So I personally think that if you are trying to preserve it right, like if you're trying to make sure that it stays just as pristine as it was the day you bought it, then you probably should buy it because you're supposed to wear it and enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my personal opinion, so you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But keep in mind though, like just you know, I keep my bags out on display, so I have them, like, stored on a shelf.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're the type of person that is very extra careful and you don't want them to get dusty or you know the leather to be compromised in any kind of way, then you know, store them in their proper dust bags and you know, put them in the box if you want, or just store them in a dust bag.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and do that.

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<v Speaker 2>But me personally, I like to see what I have and you know, just grab it.

00:27:57.618 --> 00:28:04.306
<v Speaker 2>If I'm playing with outfits I might throw on a bag and it doesn't work, so I toss it and put on another one.

00:28:04.306 --> 00:28:09.531
<v Speaker 2>But you know, preservation for the bag, I say just wear the damn bag.

00:28:10.654 --> 00:28:11.377
<v Speaker 1>Like just wear it.

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<v Speaker 1>You brought up Leather Surgeons, so what's that?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so Leather Surgeons is a specialty company that the only thing that they do is repair bags, right, and these would be designer bags, like they do everything under the sun from, you know, your Chloe, your LV, everything right, hermes.

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<v Speaker 2>So they can dye your bag, they can repair a bag that has been badly damaged, even if, say, for instance, it has ripped.

00:28:47.199 --> 00:28:48.540
<v Speaker 2>They can do that.

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<v Speaker 2>They can take a bag from years past and what they call it, they give it a spa, they have a spa service and then they can just revive the leather on it and all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>And so, yeah, it is a very good company that specializes in treating your bags, and if you, you know, have some scratches or something like that on them that bothers you, you can send it to them and they'll fix it, do you?

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<v Speaker 1>recommend, much like you know, tidying up a home before you sell it.

00:29:21.749 --> 00:29:30.208
<v Speaker 1>Like you know tidying up a home before you sell it, do you recommend that people take their bags to a bag spa leather surgeon to get it cleaned up before sale?

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<v Speaker 1>Very good question, because I assume you have to do a cost benefit analysis.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is an expense, right?

00:29:38.586 --> 00:29:41.746
<v Speaker 2>So you're looking depending on what you're having done to your bag.

00:29:41.746 --> 00:29:45.000
<v Speaker 2>At minimum you're looking at about 200 bucks, right?

00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:47.548
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's for, like, the typical spa service.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that if people are interested in reselling their bags, I would say, just resell it as is.

00:29:54.444 --> 00:29:55.548
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just resell it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that I would want to put that money into a bag that I'm getting rid of, right?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, and in my opinion I mean the market for some of these bags, like the older bags are like they're up there, like especially with Chanel bags, like vintage Chanel bags you can really get a good penny for, you know, like an older bag now.

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<v Speaker 2>So I wouldn't want to put that extra money in it just to sell it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd not even worth it just to sell it, not even worth it, not worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>That is an expert, expert call.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to ask you just to round this out.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are an independent designer, I hate using the word emerging.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like that word gives me the cringe because if you've been doing your brand for I don't know, three, four or five years, like I'd like to think that, or you should think that you've emerged already, like how long is the period to come out of the chrysalis?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what are things that designers can think about, given the potential that they could be a bag at some point that could be resold.

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<v Speaker 1>So what are some minor details that designers should take into consideration with construction and so forth, to give them that opportunity?

00:31:07.022 --> 00:31:12.967
<v Speaker 1>Like you had said, chanel has the numbers, but I think that extra labor would be very costly.

00:31:12.967 --> 00:31:17.135
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's some minor nuances that they can do.

00:31:17.135 --> 00:31:18.756
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Emily on that is, construction is key.

00:31:22.618 --> 00:31:29.522
<v Speaker 2>Aside from construction, making sure that what you're using to construct is key.

00:31:29.522 --> 00:31:47.492
<v Speaker 2>So what I'm saying, materials, right, it doesn't have to be like not everyone's, like you know canvas material or you know some fabric, just make sure that it is durable.

00:31:47.492 --> 00:31:57.377
<v Speaker 2>You know you want it to feel good, you want it to look good, you want it to stand up Right, like I've been that girl where bags have like fallen apart.

00:31:57.377 --> 00:32:00.380
<v Speaker 2>That's, you know not cool.

00:32:00.380 --> 00:32:01.080
<v Speaker 2>You know not cool.

00:32:01.080 --> 00:32:12.890
<v Speaker 2>So I would say construction is key and just using good materials and really, really paying attention to the small details, right.

00:32:12.890 --> 00:32:28.885
<v Speaker 2>So I talked about earlier, like you know, grommets and on the bags and you know even the clasp if you have a bag, even the zipper or the pool, just making sure that those things are good materials, I guess you know.

00:32:28.885 --> 00:32:33.585
<v Speaker 2>And shiny, shiny too, so that they can stand out, yeah.

00:32:34.095 --> 00:32:37.645
<v Speaker 1>I just want to give a call out to that, because a couple of things.

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<v Speaker 1>One so many designers are nuts and think that I need to get leather from Italy.

00:32:44.808 --> 00:32:46.442
<v Speaker 1>It must be Italian leather.

00:32:46.442 --> 00:32:49.584
<v Speaker 1>Number one that is fan fiction.

00:32:49.584 --> 00:32:55.347
<v Speaker 1>A lot of times the leather is actually bought from China because there has been a shortage of leather.

00:32:55.347 --> 00:32:58.365
<v Speaker 1>So it just needs to be good quality leather.

00:32:58.365 --> 00:33:01.223
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't necessarily need to be from Italy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's number one.

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<v Speaker 1>Number two do you think if it's a canvas bag, it needs to be coated canvas?

00:33:08.124 --> 00:33:09.867
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that's the case?

00:33:09.867 --> 00:33:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Like a Louis bag is coated canvas?

00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:15.268
<v Speaker 1>It's still canvas, but it's coated, it doesn't have to be.

00:33:15.674 --> 00:33:16.517
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have to be.

00:33:16.517 --> 00:33:19.903
<v Speaker 2>I just think that it needs to be good, canvas, like.

00:33:19.903 --> 00:33:20.584
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean.

00:33:20.584 --> 00:33:21.987
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have to be coded.

00:33:21.987 --> 00:33:39.578
<v Speaker 2>I think any emerging designer right should just want to make sure that if I was designing a handbag, I would want to design something that I know that I would want to obviously carry, but that would be, you know, nicely made.

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<v Speaker 2>And so if that means that it's a canvas bag but it's not coated, but the canvas is like really nice and I've put the special details on it to pull it all together together and the construction is there and it looks good, I'm carrying it right.

00:33:56.847 --> 00:34:09.065
<v Speaker 2>So, and I think people appreciate when they spend their money you know when they spend a lot of money on something that actually feels and looks good and stands the test of time.

00:34:09.065 --> 00:34:18.976
<v Speaker 2>So that's, you know, there are some designer bags out there that aren't well-made you know, and they're costing, you know, thousands of dollars.

00:34:19.317 --> 00:34:32.726
<v Speaker 2>So my point is, you know, for an emerging handbag designer, I'd rather give you, you know, that amount of money for something that is just well made.

00:34:32.726 --> 00:34:35.619
<v Speaker 2>That's not, you know, I'm not going to be sending it back.

00:34:35.619 --> 00:34:41.740
<v Speaker 2>I think that just paying attention to the materials you're using and the construction is very key.

00:34:41.942 --> 00:35:01.231
<v Speaker 1>That's the advice that I would give you know and you had commented on something before and a lot of designers tend to forget about this is the merchandising of a bag that it must be able to stand on its own, that the bag needs to have some sort of structure that it can stand without you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I always say, like treat your bag like a baby giraffe, like as soon as it's born.

00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:23.983
<v Speaker 1>It can stand up, it needs to be able to hold on its own and if it needs a T-stand to give it its DNA, then your value immediately goes down, because you are going to need whomever is selling your bag to invest in as something additional, or you're going to have to be the one who's going to sell it yourself.

00:35:24.384 --> 00:35:32.384
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, yeah absolutely, and the truth is like fast fashion is everywhere, it has taken over.

00:35:32.384 --> 00:35:37.318
<v Speaker 2>So you're competing with all the fast fashion bags that are out there, right?

00:35:37.318 --> 00:35:45.389
<v Speaker 2>And we know that, whether it comes from H&M or Zara or wherever that, those bags are what they are.

00:35:45.389 --> 00:35:48.885
<v Speaker 2>So my thing is to set yourself apart.

00:35:48.885 --> 00:36:01.842
<v Speaker 2>If you spend that extra time, energy, money, commitment to making sure that your stuff is again to your point, standing the test of time, it's standing up on its own.

00:36:01.842 --> 00:36:20.927
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is what's going to make the difference, you know, in someone like myself who likes handbags, purchasing a fast fashion bag versus, you know, coming over to Emily and buy one of her beautifully constructed bags, like because I know that it's going to be something that's going to be a forever bag.

00:36:20.927 --> 00:36:24.862
<v Speaker 2>It's going to be one of those bags that I'm not going to want to part with, right?

00:36:24.981 --> 00:36:25.663
<v Speaker 1>right, yeah.

00:36:25.663 --> 00:36:33.295
<v Speaker 1>Do you think a Telfar bag at this point would count for something that could or needs to be authenticated, because those bags aren't even leather?

00:36:33.978 --> 00:36:34.920
<v Speaker 2>They're not leather.

00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:42.764
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that Telfar bags are something that like I don't even know how to say this I don't think it needs to be authenticated.

00:36:42.764 --> 00:36:47.568
<v Speaker 2>I think that when you see them, whether they're real or fake, they look the same.

00:36:47.568 --> 00:36:49.134
<v Speaker 2>But that's my opinion.

00:36:49.134 --> 00:36:50.998
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's just my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>When you see a telphar bag and I have one bag, I have one telphar bag when I see, when I look at my bag which is a real one and I've looked at other bags that have come off of platforms that you know lets me know that they're not real I don't see a difference.

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<v Speaker 2>So that just goes to show back to that quality craftsmanship.

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<v Speaker 2>You know DNA, the DNA, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I respect the brand itself, but I don't think that it's quite there in terms of all of those things that I just mentioned.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, wow, shelby, this has been eye opening.

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<v Speaker 1>I know we are going to have to have you back and I think we're just going to have like episodes dedicated for a brand, because this is just like.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a toe in the water conversation, because there's so much to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, yeah, I mean this has been so exciting, shelby, how can people follow up with you?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you okay?

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<v Speaker 1>People reach out?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I am on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>My Instagram page is Shelbywilder, so that's S-H-E-L-B-YW-I-L-D-E-R on Instagram, so you can follow me there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not on any other platforms at the moment but I am.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, my page is open to the masses, so amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I know this is our first of many chats.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for being part of the hitbag designer 101 the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been a dream.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much and we will see you soon.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, thanks, emily.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for listening.

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