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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Our one on this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan Ed's Dan Patrick Show. Not exactly the encore we were hoping for, but the Blue Jays handled the Dodgers and that series is now tied at two games. Apiece game coming up tonight. Still no update on George Springer. He missed game four. His status for Game five is unclear. Otani pitched, he pitched, Okay, didn't do anything at the plate, but you had Vlad Guerrero Junior, the third has been the best player so far in the World Series. Twenty six hits, seven home runs, fourteen RBIs in the playoffs. These are all Blue Jays franchise records for a single postseason. But he took advantage of a meat ball that O'tani hung, and O'tani knew it right away, because that's a pitch that Otani hits out of the ballpark. But Vlad Guerrero sitting on that pitch and it was flat and he took it deep. So the Blue Jays, you know, they battled adversity. They're a big underdog here, and you win that game. Following what happened the night before, but when you think about it, I think they left nineteen runners in scoring position in the previous game. They could easily be up three games to one right now, tied it two. They have more hits than the Dodgers do. But this here's your pivotal game five coming up tonight. All right, Seeton poll question for the first hour, what are we thinking?

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Speaker 3: Well, we're just batting this one around right now. For whom is tonight's game more must winish?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: For whom is tonight's game more must win ash?

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Speaker 2: I would say the Dodgers? Really, yeah, yeah, because then you go back to Toronto. Oh, look at Marvin all decked out in his Blue Jay gear.

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Speaker 4: Come on, let's go.

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Speaker 5: We're doing for Carlos Delgado.

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Speaker 2: Come on, you could be a bench coach there. But don Mattingly come on, Oh how many?

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Speaker 5: Okay?

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Speaker 4: Lefty?

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll take a left to Yeah. Yeah, I would say must winnish for the Dodgers, because then it goes back to Toronto. So what else do you have?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 3: We also had another one or whom are you rooting.

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Speaker 2: For the Blue Jays or Dodgers? Well we had this is a breakdown prior to the start of the World Series four states that they were rooting for the Dodgers. Everybody else was rooting for the Blue Jays. That was the breakdown across the country. I could see that. I don't know if they're rooting for the Blue Jays or rooting against the Dodgers. That you know, I have the Dodgers graduated to the evil empire, you know, with the Yankees. Even then, when you look at the Yankees in the mid nineties, they weren't they weren't, you know, an evil empire players. You didn't like a rod but you liked Paul O'Neill, and you like Bernie Williams and Mo Revere and Derek Jeter. You know, maybe it was the old George Steinbrenner. You didn't like him. But still do you dislike the Dodgers. I don't think o'tani has graduated to that where now you don't like him, or now you root against him, because it's still a great story and you see something you've never seen before. But Freddie Freeman, Clayton Kershaw, Dave Roberts, Mookie Beds, those aren't guys that you root against. You may not root for, but I don't think you go oh, I'm looking forward to seeing that guy lose. You might have thought that with Roger Clemens, with a Rod maybe Andy Pettitt. But you know, for the most part, those Yankees in the mid nineties were you know, just they were great players. Those were great teams. But I don't think the Dodgers have graduated where you may not root for them, but I don't think you're rooting necessarily against them unless just the whole premise of they spend more money than everybody else and that's not fair. Maybe that is probably what you know, but the Yankees did the same thing. You know, people say, oh, they're buying another World Series. Well, okay, here are the Dodgers. The Mets tried to do it. But maybe that's what it would be. Is I don't like what they stand for or their business model, but every every fan would want this if your team could spend the money, you go, hey, I don't care what you think, and that would be my attitude as well. We we are playing by the same rules as you. We just said to show, Hey, Otani, how about we defer sixty eight million dollars a year after you retire? How about you play for two million dollars. Okay, they just kind of circumvented the rule. You know, this was a New England Patriots Bill Belichick kind of moment where you go, wait, what are they doing? Anybody else can do this as well. I mean, I don't know if Soto said, Hey, I'm going to play for two million dollars and then defer all my money to help out the Mets. I don't think that happened.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, A Rod wasn't really part of that great Yankees run. He came after the fact that that's when it was really hated.

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Speaker 2: Okay, they were really he got one ring.

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Speaker 3: With them, but he missed that like Paul O'Neill waves say yeah, Ernie Williams and all that.

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Speaker 2: That's fair. Yeah, I think uh.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And Arod's got a documentary out it's a Rod versus Alex and I guess his two personalities. They didn't interview me for that, which I thought maybe I'd get a cameo in there, since I was going to say we nearly came to blows. It was he nearly punched me, because there wouldn't have been blows, it would have been what happened?

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Speaker 4: Did he did he hit me?

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Speaker 2: Okay, But I thought maybe I'd get a cameo in there, but I didn't. I don't even know if they bring up the interview that we had with him that kind of started that mess with him and Jeter when he was calling out Jeter and saying that he doesn't do anything as good as Alex does. Why are they paying him eighteen million dollars a year?

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Speaker 7: Yes, Paul, it's probably one of those documentaries where the subject of the documentary is also the executive producer, which is really not good for objectivity. Executive pruiser Alex Rodriguez, How was that going to be objective?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't think I made the cut there. No one reached out, no one said, hey, can we use a clip from your radio show when Alex called out Derek Jeter and then got mad at me because we played it on the radio show. And then he did an interview with Scott rab and said the same thing, and I think Esquire magazine the same exact stuff. When he was interviewed by Scott rab And, I go, how can you be mad at me when you said the same thing to a magazine writer? Yes, Paul.

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Speaker 7: Going back to the nineties, Yankees. Their players weren't likable, and even their winning wasn't dislikable. It's what happened after when if you're a fan of the Pirates or whatever team, you knew if you had a star player, the Yankees going to grab them. That It's almost more like the late nineties early two thousand Yankees, where hey, Kevin Brown and he's a Yankee, and Mike we've seen that he's a Yankee.

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Speaker 2: Johnny Damon, come on over here.

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Speaker 7: So like the Dodgers, there's no reason to dislike them. They're following the rules, they're doing great work, and their players are likable. But it's the effect where you realize there's like a fifty percent chance that Paul Skeens will be a Dodger in two years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, the Yankees did this. But the Yankees were the first to really monetize having their own network. When you think about the Yes network, they were so far ahead of everybody else. And then they treated this and we've talked about this before, they treated their starting lineup like it was must see TV, like Thursday Night NBC Must see TV with Friends, where you're seeing your stars, you're seeing star power and I thought it was brilliant. But that's what the Dodgers are doing. They're spending the money. We're going to bring in people that you know when you tune it. You know, the Blue Jays, I don't know them. I know Bishett, and I know Vlad and Springer, but you know they're they're trotting out. I got Otani, I got, you know, the biggest sports star in the world. And you got Freddie Freeman, you got Mookie Betts, you got that Dodger backdrop, the Dodger uniforms. The stars come out to watch the dot you know, they treat it like that, it's an experience to watch. And I think that's a you know, brilliant, brilliant business plan. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I just prefer teams that win rings in a more fiscally conservative manner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah who does that?

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Speaker 4: Who doesn't?

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Speaker 2: That's just I just prefer that. Okay, well, good luck, Yeah, okay, that's why I Look at all the money they spend. Yeah, no, crap, look at the money everybody spending. Everybody spending a ton of money.

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Speaker 3: Anybody who's actually competitive is spending a fortune.

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Speaker 2: I would love for my team to spend money if I was a fan, and I would say I wish we would spend more money. I don't think there's a fan base that says, hey, let's be responsible here. I mean, I have to balance my whole budget. Why doesn't the team balance theirs?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 7: Like the Dodgers are spending three hundred and fifty million on this team right now, and you can make the case Toronto's spending one hundred million less, but they're spending two fifty five.

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Speaker 4: Theyre's seven.

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Speaker 7: They're not the twenty eighth team. Yeah yeah, they're not this lovable, cute town of Toronto. Yeah yeah, international city?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have an international airport? Okay? Eight seven seven three DP show email address DP at Danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle a DP show. The Saints have made a change. They have who is it, Tyler Shuck?

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Speaker 4: Let's go yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. I watched some basketball last night. I was watching the Bucks against the Knicks. It was gianness against a kind of car Anthony Towns. But dribbling is optional now in the NBA, as Johanna's proved to us last night. Now you know, I did slow it down this morning and watched and I counted five steps and a push off and he didn't get called for anything but this silly gather step. Oh my goodness. But you know, traveling doesn't bother me as much as palming the basketball does, because that that's an epidemic. That's everywhere. That's grade school, high school, college, NBA, G League, WNBA, everybody is doing that. Now. If you want to say, but there is a rule about palming, they don't call it, and there is a rule for traveling. They don't remember. You'd always have that guy, you know, they, you know, somebody'd be like, that's traveling. You move your hands in a circular motion. They're not calling that anymore. But if they just come out and say, hey, we're not calling that anymore because it provides better highlights. It allows guys to have more separation, make great moves, athletic moves. Okay, but just tell me that and then I'll move on. But if you have it, call it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: See, I think if your hands are big enough in great school at to palma basketball, you should be allowed to.

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Speaker 2: But you I'm not talking about actually, I'm talking about carrying it all right. And we called it palming because it would be the you know, the ball. You couldn't have your hand go over the top of the ball.

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Speaker 7: Yes, yes, NBA Rule ten, Section two, Section D, A player who is dribbling may not put any part of his hand under the ball and carry it from one point to another, or cause the ball to pause and then dribble again.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that happens every time down the floor. Yes, just okay, next time the commissioner's on, well he might not want to come on anytime soon.

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Speaker 4: One topic.

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Speaker 2: But but when we get through this gambling stuff the next time, I'm just going to say, commissioner, are we calling this rule? Because if you're not calling it, then okay, I won't be there going. That's palmbing. He's carrying them all home. You don't nobody watches a basketball game with me because they're like, okay, yeah, tell.

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Speaker 4: Me about the Jerry West days here. I mean, you're like, I am palming traveling.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Paul, imagine if Fritzy emailed the NBA this morning and said we talked to the commissioner only about palming, he'd kill call right in.

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Speaker 2: Why do they call traveling? Can you get back to us another? That's all I want to know. No other topics. Yeah, that would be it for right now. That's more important to me than Chauncey Billups because he's not going to say anything about that, and it's it's it's quiet right now. And I don't know if that's a good thing or not, because I keep waiting somebody. There's some journalists out there still, like Pablo Torre is gonna find out something here soon. Quiet always makes me nervous. It feels dangerous. It's like nothing going on here, like with the Clippers with Kawhi.

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Speaker 2: We bring in Chris Sims, Pro Football Talk Live co host, former NFL quarterback. You can also see him on Football Night America. If I gave you the Chiefs or the field in the AFC, who were you taking?

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, that's a good one right there. Who man, I'm probably gonna take the field, Okay, But I don't feel comfortable about that. I wouldn't put money on that. I would not. But yes, the Chiefs have figured out a lot of things and and the AFC has left the door open here while they got their feet underneath them and got healthy here to where again, now there's no question they're one of the top teams in the AFC.

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Speaker 2: Once again, what do you need to see from the Colts where you would acknowledge they could be the best team in the AFC.

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Speaker 4: No, I will acknowledge that already and tell you I don't need to see anything. They are the best team in the AFC right now. If you go look at it, maybe if there was something I'd like to see improved, could they use maybe one more difference maker? Right? Would they be in the trade deadline business here of maybe getting the a guy at the corner position that might be available out there, but man lou and Arumo has done a really good job with that defense, and you could see right. I mean, if he's got a few players, he can make it work. And where they're good is, yeah, they might let up a few yards on defense, but they make you kick field goals. They're pretty good at not letting you in the end zone. And then we know on the offense, then there's nothing with the offense. I mean, the offense is borderline perfect. Shane Steichen is one of the best offensive mines in the sport. You're seeing what Daniel Jones can do with the little talent around him, the O line, the tight end, the receivers, I mean, the running back of course is an MVP player. They got it all right there in Indianapolis. It's they're a Super Bowl contending type team. I think it's a good story.

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Speaker 2: They remind me of last year's Vikings where we were like, let's wait and see when we get to the playoffs, and we saw what happened to the Vikings when they got to the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, I would I look at this as more offensive versatility and more danger that way, That's where I'd look at it to be a little different than the Vikings. With the Indianapolis's Colts ability to run the football, that to me makes them a little bit in a different class than last year's Vikings football team because they can control the line of scrimmage and as you know, when you do that, the play action pass and all the other things that Shane Stikeen has to deliver in that offense are pretty special off it. They got it all on that side of the ball. There in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: You've got Lamar Jackson coming back going to play against the Dolphins. Are we getting to must win situation time? I think so basically. You know, I think last week started that and the encouraging thing right where. There's some teams out there where I'd go, I don't see it right, Like the Pittsburgh Steelers. I don't see it. It ain't gonna get much better. This is what they are, like, don't hope for anything more that way. You know, there's teams like that out there. Baltimore, on the other hand, I look.

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Speaker 4: At them and go, no, no, no, I see some things about their team to go watch out one. Their schedule is very favorable. They can go on a run here where we could look up in a few weeks and go, man, they're seven and five all of a sudden, Lamar coming back. I got no worries about their offense. With Lamar at quarterback. They can run the ball pretty good, as we know, maybe not as good as everybody wants, but with him at quarterback, I mean their offense, I don't worry. The defense got healthy last week Dan, that was the big thing. I didn't realize they were going to be back to full strength, right and they look good, And that's one thing you look at to go, Yeah, it's been underwhelming, but they can fix that area and they give me some hope there from what I saw in film watching them back this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Why are the Falcons a mess?

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Speaker 4: That's a great question, you know one, I mean all over the place. That's a little bit having to do with leadership and then the coaches keeping them, you know, focused on the right things on a weekend, week out basis. But that was a shocking game last weekend. I think. One, they're not patient enough with the run at times. For as good as they are in the runs still there, they don't throw play action pass very much and they've tried to dabble in that a little bit more, but that makes no sense. You have b John Robinson in an old line and you don't have a play action pass game that's like in depth and can attack off of that. That's another issue there. So I think, you know, those are a few of the things, but that's one that's hard for me to put my finger on it because they're more talented than what their record shows.

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Speaker 2: Right now, we're talking to Chris Sims, Pro Football Talk Live co host. Let's redraft the twenty twenty four draft. So you have Caleb, you have Jaden, Drake May, Michael Pennix, Bo Nicks, right, redraft.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so I still think I'm gonna give Jaden number one right now. I understand how awesome Drake May has been, right, I get that, And I'm guessing that's where you're asking this question because it's been awesome and he deserves to be in the MVP conversation for me as well there. But yeah, I'm still gonna go Jayden from everything we saw and the year he had last year. He had a little banged up this year, but he's won. Now, this is where it gets interesting between Drake May and I'm still gonna go with Caleb Williams here because I'm such a believer in Caleb Williams talent. No, you know, it's those two, as I'm saying, and I don't know, it's close between that I'm gonna take Caleb Williams. But saying that, man, I'm just giving it just a little bit of you know, I believe in Caleb Williams. He's not playing the position quite as well as Drake may right now, but he's also going through you don't You don't sound very confident, well, because it's a close one and I'm himing and hauling here and trying to figure it out on the fly here. But no, this is the other thing with Caleb Williams where I defend him. You know, he's learning to play a style of offense and quarterback that he's never played before, and it's been pretty damn good and it was better than people wanted to give him credit for last year, you know now, throwing the ball in rhythm and staying in the pocket and doing that stuff. Yeah, that's He's been able his whole life, as you know, to be able to make magic happen and make it all go and now he's kind of being rewired there. So I think that's why you have moments of going, oh, I don't know if that looks as good as I would like. But Dan, I will still tell you he makes throws and scrambles and runs where I go, that's better than any of these guys in this crooky class that we're talking about. His arm is specialist. I let us have it as special. But I'm gonna go him to I'll go Drake May three, I'll go bow Knicks four, I'll go Michael Pennix five, and I'll go JJ McCarthy six.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but if you look at this and you say, okay, you're you're hoping Caleb does what Drake May is actually doing right.

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Speaker 4: Right, well, yeah, I think we're a little bit of that too, Like, all right, so who's playing better at this second right now? Yes, it's Drake May. But we get into these quarterback conversations too, and this is where it's hard sometimes, And this is where ILL into this with let's just say Jordan Love and Tua. I love Jordan Love coming out in the draft. At first I ranked him in front of Tua, but recognizing wait, he's not as good as Tua right now, but his talent and if you just wait two or three more years, he'll be better than Tua. And so that's where I get stuck in that combo. Drake May's hotter right now. He's playing better than Kayleb Williams for sure. But I guess what I'm saying is I think Caleb William's gonna get there under Ben Johnson and ultimately surpass Drake May. As guess is what my belief is. Still.

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Speaker 2: I see cam Ward play on a weekly basis. Yeah, okay, the team isn't good, but he is not good, not right now. And if I look at Dylan Gabriel, who wasn't the number one pick overall, hasn't played well, plays for a bad team, and everybody's clamoring for Shador Sanders to get a chance, when why aren't they doing something you know with cam Ward that should you sit him down? His numbers are terrible, right, well, yeah they're terrible, So we can say the Browns aren't any good and Dylan Gabriel isn't any good. Okay, cam Ward's the number one pick in the draft. If his name was Caleb Williams, we would be criticizing him. He would be a focal point of all of these shows. Cam Ward doesn't have any social media presence, but you'll have Schudor Sanders in Cleveland. So we're not being fair to Dylan Gabriel. And because he's a third round pick, he plays for a bad team, but cam Ward is a number one overall pick.

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, you make a lot of good points there. First off, that just you just explained that there's unwarranted, like, you know, criticism of Caleb Williams too much. I don't know why, right, I don't know why with that.

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Speaker 2: Because he gets there's this you get clicks.

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Speaker 4: That's why he got his fingernails. He had a pink phone, went to usc after a game and it became a thing where I'm gonna go, Yeah, but he makes some of the damnedest plays and throws I've ever seen in the history of the game.

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Speaker 2: Proper analysis, I get.

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Speaker 4: You there where it's different here and where I'll say to you, like, first off, the Titans come on, it's a freaking disaster.

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Speaker 2: A disaster, arens.

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Speaker 4: Yes they are. The Browns have an all star defense. If the Browns just have an offense at all, they'd be a real pain in the butt that that's that's the problem, right, So I think I look at that. I mean the Titans, I mean they're the coach that just got fired. He didn't know the rules of what receiver getting in bounds is. I mean, that was a disaster there. I don't know what else to say. Cam Warden makes a few plays in every game, Dan that I go, WHOA makes a few throws every game Where I sit here in the NBC viewing room and everyone goes, oh my gosh, cam Ward Dylan Gabriel's had zero of those plays. Yet Dylan Gabriel has moments where I go, I would never make him my starting quarterback? Are you kidding me? See you, Let's call Shador and figure that out now. So I'm already in let's do the Shador thing and not necessarily knocking on Dylan Gabriel all the way because it's they doesn't have a great offense around him either, But they need to figure out what they got there because they're going to be right back in the quarterback draft market once again. And that's the only reason I say that. But yeah, cam Ward's shown me some elite stuff at least along the way. Dylan Gabriel is not to this.

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Speaker 2: Point, Okay, Chador Sanders was putting up Dylan Gabriel numbers, nobody would be saying you got to put in Dylan Gabriel probably not.

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Speaker 4: No and no, but that's not fair. And I agree with you there, And that's the problem with when you that's why, oh, the analytics said the draft Shador Sanders, Well, the human analytics of saying it's stupid and it's the number one thing that's a distraction and talked about your football team all year. We don't talk about anything in Cleveland except Shador Sanders, Miles Garrett at five secs? Is Shador going to start? So that's what's.

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Speaker 2: Crazy and not fair to your point one hundred percent, Okay, you get one pick in the NFC. You can take that team against everybody else.

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Speaker 4: Gosh, the NFC. So I think the NFC is so much better than the AFC, right, I mean it's not even close to me. I mean again, you're talking about Kansas City, who's five and three? Are they're the best team in the AFC? Right, And there's flaws with everybody the Chargers in the playoffs, flaws Buffalo's flaws. Pittsburgh, Oh my gosh, flaws. Right, you know, New England and Denver there's still new kids on the block. Right after that is Jacksonville and Houston. Flaws everywhere the NFC. I go Green Bay, Oh my gosh, no flaws. Just play better, You're amazing. Philadelphia, Oh my gosh, no flaws. Just play a little more efficient on offense. You're amazing. Tampa Bay, You're awesome. Just get healthy, and you're elite. Detroit, do I have to say anymore? I mean, we know Detroit's elite. The Rams, the Seahawks are a super Bowl like caliber football team with their defense and all of that. So I just look at the NFC and go, oh my gosh, Wow, now you're gonna make me pick one. Who I feel? Detroit right now? That's what I feel. Now. They got to get healthy in the secondary too, But I think if you made me pick one, I'm gonna take Detroit. But it is close in the NFC, and there's a lot of teams in that super Bowl window.

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Speaker 2: The best team that plays in Sofi Stadium is is definitely the Rams. The Rams.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Chargers. The offensive line injuries just decimated them right, and now they can't run the ball, and it's justin Herbert just carry us every week. On that side of the ball. They are very good in past defense, but they don't have enough difference makers in their front seven. With the Chargers, the Rams are the Rams can win.

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Speaker 2: The Super Bowl. I don't feel that way about the Chargers. Before I let you go your Alma mater or Texas. Steve Sarkisian, there was a report that said that he or his people were kicking the tires on him being a head coach in the NFL. What do you make of that?

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Speaker 4: I don't really buy that. Now. Do I think maybe one of these owners that's looking to get a head coach might have said something to Diana Russini or somebody out there to go, yeah, Steve Sarkisian, we're looking at him too. Did that happen? I don't doubt that, Do I think Steve Sarkisian. Do I think the NFL is clamoring for Steve Sarkisian? No, not right now? Especially wait, you had the number one pick of the draft and he's falling to one seventy one. Here. The offense doesn't look good like this is not the time you want to get Steve Sarkisian in. And the other thing I would just argue is, I mean, there's not a better job in sports than being the head coach at Texas. You get paid like you're a big time professional head coach and you're the king of the land, as you know, and they got a roll into Texas. They're not playing as good this year, but yeah, I don't see that happening.

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Speaker 2: Dan, What do you make of arch as Arch turned the corner here?

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Speaker 4: Well, I was the fourth quarter I thought was his best quarter last week of his season.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: He made some throws and some plays where I went, oh, there's the arch manning I remember and saw a little last year and all that. I think that, you know, his mechanics and his throwing just we're not up to his standards or the way he threw it last year. And when he got in and I think, Dan, when it happens, and you know this, when you don't throw the ball well and you don't trust where the ball is going to go, it starts to affect your decision making, and I feel like that happened with him as well. Plus they weren't able to run the ball the majority of the year or help him out that way. So yeah, I mean Archill, he's going to be back at school. There's no way he should go out in the draft, and you know, I think that'll be good for him and my Texas Longhorns.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but every year at the draft we talk about next year's draft class with quarterbacks, it's usually not this draft class. So people were talking about this at the draft in Green Bay about oh my god, wait till next year. Well, I know there's one guy who might be a top ten pick, and that's Mendoza in Indiana, I'm guessing. And that's what mel Kiper talked about this. You got guys who are going to be going back to school like they're not They're not coming out.

00:29:18
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Like Dante Moore has that type of talent. I hope he goes back to goes back to Oregon, though. I'd like to see him get one more year and experience there. I think it'll help him out. The guy I would tell you though, that I would put every bit in Mendoza's class is the kid at Alabama, Ty Simpson. Yeah, I mean he makes more wow plays and throws to me on a weekly basis than than even than Mendoza. But there's some good quarterbacks out there, You're right, But it's going to be about who comes out. And yes, Dan, every year, unqualified people make qualifying statements about the draft and what's going to happen next year, you know, cade Klubnik, I was watching it last year. I was like, if he's the number one pick next year, people were saying that he's a top five pick. I'm going, are we watching the same game? He's a good player, but myer, uh right, right, Nutsmier I think has fought through some injury, and I do think there's some talent there. I think he had an oblique strain. I think that affected his throwing this year. But yeah, it hasn't been up to the standards of what we were, you know, sold in the in the last offseason.

00:30:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just we love to hype these quarterbacks and then I know, quarterback, quarterback, and then we blame them when they don't live up to our expectation.

00:30:29
Speaker 4: Exactly right, exactly right. It's it's a messed up thing. And that's where I always bray. I blame Brady and Manning because just all those years of those teams being good and then being the quarterbacks. It just changed the public's perception of like, well, if you've got a quarterback, you should win every year. If you've got a quarterback, you should win every year. And as we know, it's the ultimate team sport. And if you don't got the right team around you, you're you're not gonna look that good at quarterback.

00:30:54
Speaker 2: More impactful as a quarterback. Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, Oh, our style and everything they brought. You know, Peyton changed the game. Yeah, yeah, and Tom changed the game too. Now they did it in different ways. I can tell you in their prime right.

00:31:13
Speaker 4: That when Peyton Manning came to town, our team was more nervous than Tom Brady. All right, When Tom Brady came to town, it was like, oh gosh, it's the Patriots and Belichick and Brady. Right when it was the Colts. The whole the whole locker room and the coaching staff was like the Sheriff's coming, Peyton's coming, Peyton's coming. Oh, red alert, get your defensive checks ready, Holy crap, here we go. Hey Sims, you're the scout team quarterback. Can you be Peyton many this week? We needed to spend fake ninety seven checks and do it all.

00:31:42
Speaker 2: So wait, you have to imitate that Peyton Manning.

00:31:45
Speaker 4: I always had to do Peyton Manning, especially in Tennessee. I always did it. I'd go and I took great pride in doing that.

00:31:50
Speaker 2: How did it sound, give me a little Peyton Manning?

00:31:52
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I just had all his manner rhythms down. You know, I'd be underneath the center and I'd fix my hit leg and I'd walk down and go down and you know, and do all that stuff. I didn't exactly emulate his accent or do anything of that. But man, that's where Peyton Manning is one of the greatest ever, right, he really was. So he changed the game as far as giving control back to the quarterback at the line of scrimmage and do all that stuff right and putting more on the quarterback. That's where he changed the game. Brady changed the game, and he changes throwing mechanics once to extend his career and become a better thrower. And of course what he did health and longevity wise, So there's a little bit of both x's and o's and football wise, I'll go with Peyton Manning off the field, lasting, keeping yourself and tiptop shape. I go with Tom Brady good to talk to you. You know it, man, you're the man. Tell those jerks. I said, Hi over there right.

00:32:47
Speaker 2: Hey jerks.

00:32:48
Speaker 4: Chris says, well, hey jerks, how are you jerks? See you later.

00:32:52
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00:33:04
Speaker 2: Shay Gilgis Alexander had thirty one points thunderstay undefeated. He's the third player in NBA history to score at least one hundred and seventy four points through the first five games of his season, and he joined Steph and Wilt Chamberlain. Chamberlain had one hundred and seventy four Steph Curry one hundred and seventy nine points. There brought to you by Pennine America. Austin Reeves I think has one hundred and forty three points after three games, so he could actually join the list with Steph Curry, Wilt Chamberlain, and Shay Gilgis if he has a big night tonight or their next game. But I think he's got one hundred and forty three points in three games.

00:34:02
Speaker 7: Kids, let me tell you about the old days. I got to see Wilt Chamberlain, Steph Curry, Steph Curry.

00:34:07
Speaker 2: And Austin Austin Reeves. All right, Michael Jordan did his sit down. Well, I think it's just a one time only Mike Teriico visits Michael Jordan in Florida and they go over a variety of topics. I'm assuming that's what this is going to be. I hope it's not. I hope it it's timelier. Then we can talk bigger pictures, like you know this story, this player, something that happened, and you can get his reaction to it. Not in real time, but let's say once a month, Tarico is able to go there. I hope it's not just a one and done where you sit for Mike, sit Mike for three hours and you go over a variety of topics. But he did talk about load management last night.

00:34:57
Speaker 4: What do you think of when you hear the term load matt thrown around? Well, it shouldn't be needed.

00:35:04
Speaker 6: I never wanted to miss a game because it was an opportunity to prove it was it was something that I felt, like, you know, the fans are there that watch me play.

00:35:13
Speaker 2: I want to I want to.

00:35:13
Speaker 6: Impress that guy way up on top who probably worked his ass off to get a ticket or to get money to buy the ticket.

00:35:21
Speaker 4: You really cared about the guy who sat at the top at the Palace in Auburn Hills to watch you when you came to Detroit.

00:35:26
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I know he's probably yelling at me, and I want to shut him up. He's calling me all kinds of names. I definitely want to shut him up.

00:35:32
Speaker 4: Right, you have a duty that if they're wanting to see you, and as an entertainer.

00:35:37
Speaker 6: I want to show right. So if the guys are coming to watch me play, I don't want to miss that opportunity. Now physically, if I can't do it, then I can't do it.

00:35:47
Speaker 2: Okay, there's no news here. Because Mike wanted to play. These guys, they're not going to be like, man, did you hear what Jordan said? Now let's play seventy five games. That's not going to happen. I'm sure the NBA love this too, because the NBA is trying to get these players to play more games. They're not going to do it. There's too much money to be made, and if you can somehow sit out instead of playing through something and an extend your career, you're going to do that because the amount of money that's there. Would we like you to play seventy five games, yes, Would we like you to get paid for each game you play? Yes?

00:36:27
Speaker 4: We would.

00:36:29
Speaker 2: Wait till somebody is making a million dollars a game and they decide to sit out two games. Wait till that happens. They're going to rest now. And you can say you're bay, I tweaked something. Okay, we have to believe you. But you know, you get load management with these guys. Lebron a couple of years ago, I thought was trying to prove, Hey, I'm going to play seventy games. I think he played seventy one in seventy Hey at my age, look at me. But then you know, like the prior five years to that, there were some seasons where he's playing fifty games. Fifty five games, and he's one of the best. Well, it's probably been in better shape than any other athlete. But Mike didn't make any head And if Michael said, hey, I understand load management, I don't blame them. Now you're getting a headline. But for Mike Now, I was kind of surprised that Mike Trico did ask the question because I mean, it's a topic. But you know, when I had the commissioner on it and I said, you got to do mandatory, you gotta are minimum games, you got to have sixty five games to qualify for postseason honors, and then he did it. Now there's some people who weren't happy about it, still aren't happy about it. But I'm trying to get the most out of a product. I'm trying to be able to see these players instead of you tune in and you go, wait, where's Steph Curry? He's out? All right, I'm out too. I hate to see it now. I don't want you playing through something you know that could be severe. And yes, I grew up in a completely different era where I never ever thought about that. I never thought, oh my gosh, you know he's going to sit out because why back to back games. Okay, today's athlete is in better shape, travels, better nutrition, has been all of that, but they're sitting out more games like Kawhi Leonard. I mean when he plays, I go oh, be damn Kawhi played. That's not good for the league for what he gets paid. And I know he's a Hall of Famer, but to me, he's never been musty TV. He doesn't talk about the game. I don't know if he loves the game. I can say he's a good businessman, but I don't go, oh, let me see Kawhi well lock somebody up or hit a fifteen foot jumper and just not interested in it. But I would still like to see him play for the benefit of the Clippers. But Jordan's saying that last night didn't have any impact. It just feels like whatever Mike says, okay, it's going to make a headline or people are going to talk about it because Mike doesn't talk about these things. I just don't want to be talking about broad topics. I want to make sure that I'd love to know what Mike thinks about Victor wembin Yama right now, But you know, you do the interview a month ago or two months ago. There's I want timely Michael Jordan. I don't want a documentary where he's sitting in a chair of a cigar and you know tequila. I'd love. I thought this was going to be what Kobe did in details because I thought it was fascinating because I'm watching Kobe breakdown plays players teams, and it felt like it was more immediate, and that's what I would like to get out of Michael. I don't know if it's going to be that way. I hope that, you know, Tarico goes there and sits down and they wear different clothes and then they're going to be able to talk about some things that have happened in the season so far.

00:40:11
Speaker 5: Yes, Marv, I'm with you because I would love to see Michael Jordan's thoughts on somebody like Shay Gildess Alexander, a great two guard, a great score, just to see how he differs and how he just sees the game and in comparison to what Shaye Gilgess Alexander does.

00:40:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Mike might be saying, you see how he draws contact here, he shoots a lot of free throws that like, I would love to do that where I'd say to Mike, Hey, tell me what you see with Shaye Gilges, how would you defend it? What is he getting away with? Because he is getting away with, you know, pushing off. But great players get away with Mike got away with it, Magic Bird, run down the list, they all got away with something. But I would love to know what Mike sees in that. I'd love for him to, you know, down Luca, any of these younger players would be great. It'd be a lot of fun. But I think that's the one thing that will miss out of this is Michael. But it doesn't feel like it's immediate. Yeah, morph Yeah.

00:41:16
Speaker 5: I would just love to hear Tarico ask him, Hey, what similarities do you see in Anthony Edwards? Because people were talking about Anthony Edwards being the closest thing to Michael Jordan and what Mike sees.

00:41:26
Speaker 7: Yeah, Paul, going back to load management, it's one of those phrases where collectively everyone hates it.

00:41:31
Speaker 4: We talk about it, we put it at a poll.

00:41:34
Speaker 7: Is there any chance, though, that if you had a do over, you kind of would wish that load management was around in the eighties and nineties. Would Larry Bird had played till thirty five instead of thirty one? Would you know, like Steph Curry right now is thirty seven still playing great basketball. The first half of his career he played seventy five plus games all the time. The second half it's close to like sixty five to seventy. Is that the reason Steph Curry is not retired right now? And could that be like would you rather have Larry Bird for ten years for eighty games or thirteen years for seventy five games?

00:42:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd rather have a couple more years with him.

00:42:09
Speaker 7: I wonder you know, it's hard to say, but would it have been better for guys like that to occasionally do that?

00:42:16
Speaker 2: Well? They had injuries. Bird had a bad back, right, but Steve Nash had a bad back.

00:42:22
Speaker 7: But did they did Bird exacerbate it because it's my back. I'll play through a couple of.

00:42:26
Speaker 2: Nights because that's the way he played. Yeah, he couldn't change the way he played. That's the problem, Steve Nash. Maybe you get a couple more years. Remember nash On when he was out of a game, he'd had to stretch the entire time. The number of players last year who played eighty or more games, Todd, do you want to guess?

00:42:49
Speaker 4: Don't have anything? What we played more than eighty games?

00:42:55
Speaker 2: Yeah? Uh?

00:42:58
Speaker 4: Oscar Robertson No.

00:43:00
Speaker 2: Eleven, Marvin, how many players played at least eighty games last.

00:43:06
Speaker 4: Year seven last year. After you said all the time, what was it? Marvin seventeen?

00:43:14
Speaker 2: Okay, seat twenty five, twenty.

00:43:17
Speaker 4: Two, twenty eleven times two is twenty two?

00:43:20
Speaker 2: No todd no' sit out. Go back to twenty fourteen, it was fifty three players. Go back to two thousand and four, it was seventy two. Back to nineteen ninety four it was eighty three players, and back to eighty four it was seventy seven players. So this is certainly a trend. I understand it. It's just it's difficult to tune into something. It'd be like going to a Broadway show and the person you're going to go see has to stand in. Are you going to stay for the Broadway show? Okay? I got no other choice. I've already bought tickets to this or tuning in to watch a movie and the star is not there. But we've talked to the commissioner about it. I don't think there's a solution because the NFL, the NBA Player Association is not going to let you implement some kind of hey for play system where you get your paycheck when you show up to work. That's not going to happen because I can't force you to play.

00:44:24
Speaker 5: Yes, Mark, the closest thing is, like you suggested that Adam Silver implement. It was the sixty five minimum games to where you can get an All NBA selection or MVP or anything like that.

00:44:35
Speaker 2: Fred in South Carolina, Hi, Fred, what's on your mind today?

00:44:39
Speaker 9: You couldn't warn DP and the dan Is brother Dan. You were always on target and right this stuff about the load management. Yeah, I agree with you. I don't want to show up and pay all that money and you guy not be there. And the other thing you talked earlier, the first hour palm and the ball that goes back to Alan, It was way back in the next.

00:45:01
Speaker 2: Day, right Alan iverson with the Sixers. Yes, but thank you Fred.

00:45:07
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:45:09
Speaker 2: John Stockton to me, was one of the first guys that I saw do that where he was palming the ball, carrying the ball. But it's here to stay. I just next time I had the commissioner on and there's no gambling situation going on. I want to say, there is a rule for this. Why don't we use the rule? There is a rule for traveling. Just tell me we're not calling traveling anymore, or we're not going to call carrying the basketball anymore. And if that's the case, okay, yes, see, do.

00:45:42
Speaker 3: We really want to go back to hand on top of the ball like you're patting someone on the head. Though, Well, I think that there's a happy medium there. Well, this is egregious, right, but the happy medium is a gray area of is it or isn't it? Well, are you carrying the.

00:45:59
Speaker 2: Ball or not? I think if the ball is suspended in mid air, you're carrying it like a yeah, it's like and then I start to dribble again. It's everything's gray area when you think about a call. Is that holding that's a gray area? Is that pass interference that's gray area? It's that traveling that's great? I mean, yeah, but that's why I like holding should just be allowed. I agree, you should just let them do it.

00:46:24
Speaker 3: Everyone is holding on every play, but you just decided to call this one that's stupid.

00:46:28
Speaker 2: Or put them all in mittens. I agree, we've tried to do that. But we don't talk to this commissioner. No, he doesn't talk to us, so I can't say, hey, how about linemen have to wear mittens on more? Talk at him? Yes we do, I'm told he gets the message I'm told, but he comes on when I'm not here. That's so technically he's been on the show. I'm going to take a day off and then maybe Ross Tucker can get the commissioner on. I'll give Ross some Q questions to ask the commissioner.

00:47:00
Speaker 4: Why do you hood guys at the draft?

00:47:03
Speaker 2: Too long? Too hard?

00:47:05
Speaker 4: Nick?

00:47:05
Speaker 2: And Florida? Hi, Nick, what's on your mind today?

00:47:09
Speaker 10: Good morning dad? Six foot one seventy. I am ready to overreact. Four games in and my Miami Heat had their second one hundred and forty point plus game last night. Him Hawks junior twenty eight points, nine to fourteen, eight for eight from the line. He is out of the sophomore slump in his third year. And you guys were talking hot sauce earlier. Put some sach on an egg sending which underrated.

00:47:46
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Nick. Apparently your Miami Heater underrated. It's a hot take. Whoh okay, I see what you did. I see what you did.

00:47:53
Speaker 3: By the way, I think it should be himI Hawks junior the herd. If you're going all all Jay heimihk is who.

00:48:00
Speaker 2: It's former UCLA brewin right, Yeah, pat Riley knows how to draft.

00:48:06
Speaker 10: He does.

00:48:07
Speaker 2: He knows how to he knows how to find those players. That was always weird that I never had a relationship with pat Riley, even when I was working at the Mothership, even when I was covering the NBA Finals with Jack Ramsey. He didn't give me the time of the day. He couldn't care. And then we go to Dan Levittard's wedding, my wife and I and I walk in and I see pat Riley is there with his wife. And then my wife goes, who is that, like, you know, had a hair, slick back, you know, the whole thing, and go that's pat Riley. I said, uh, don't have don't have a relationship with him. She goes, did you say anything. I go, no, no, no, I just I don't know. We never connected and it's like, you know whatever, and she So I'm standing at the bar with my back turn. All of a sudden, pat Riley comes over with his wife. He goes, Dan, great to see you. How are you now? My wife is like, wait a minute, this guy didn't like him, and pat introduces me to his wife. We start talking and I, you know, complimented him on his roster and you know, all this stuff and his hair and his championships and all those things, and he could not have been nicer. And then my wife blames me, like, you know, you kind of painted a picture like this guy hates you. I go, no, I don't. Just didn't think he knew me. He acknowledged me. Even when they won a championship. And I'm there in South Beach when the Heat win a championship with d Wade and Shack. No, you know, I'd see Pat right, I go Hi, Pat, He'd go Hi.

00:49:48
Speaker 4: That was it.

00:49:50
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was one of those where you go, all right, hey Pat, Now that's one of those if I see him again and I go, hey Pat, Yes it's Marvin pat Riley.

00:50:02
Speaker 4: Best dressed coach ever. Hmm.

00:50:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you'd be hard pressed. Like now, guys don't want to like they dress like we do. You know you have a track suit on or you know there's no suit and tie anymore.

00:50:19
Speaker 4: Quarters zips.

00:50:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Ryles was a thing back then, like that was a who still is, yes it is, oh yeah, But watching him on the sidelines because he was a former player and that suit looked great, hair looked great, and he he meant business, what a competitor and still is.

00:50:45
Speaker 5: Yes, Mart, Yeah, he seems like one of those guys when he was dressed up you wouldn't realize as a player, he was a gritty and gutty guy. Yes, and he wanted to play like the Knicks in the nineties, not like the Showtime Lakers. The Knicks in the nineties were really how he wanted to play. Let's fight that was terrible, such bad basketball that people clamor for let's go back to the nineties.

00:51:04
Speaker 4: Are you sure? No? You sure?

00:51:06
Speaker 2: The eighty three seventy nine they moved the

00:51:08
Speaker 5: Three point line in because people were shooting the ball so terribly