The Takedown of Tamra: RHOC Pt. 1 Reunion Recap with Alexis Bellino

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well. I know, look as I'm like cleaning my throat.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be that kind of a day already.

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Speaker 3: Like we're like, yes, yes, all the flaming out so rain drops.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you're in the middle of what elections I go through on a weekly basis, which is like we just have fun before we get started. So hey, alexis hi, Hi everybody.

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Speaker 2: I'm just rolling. I've been watching my I'm like, I'm gonna roll up my sleeves. Here they look better. See they look cuter like that, see little do a little fashion.

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Speaker 3: You look good. You look good.

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Speaker 2: I looked tired. We got home late, and yeah, it was a long day last yesterday.

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Speaker 3: So so talk to me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they'll tell me all about Yes, you were at Tamra and Katie's Reunion Park One watch party.

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Speaker 3: So tell the rain Drops all about it. First of all, you look amazing at the party, girl, Well.

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Speaker 2: It's leftover hair kind of. All I did was throw it up a little higher because I'm like dude, I am and I barely flop some makeup on. But thank you for that. I look very tired, but anyway, it's okay. It was so much fun. I cannot believe Carlos the support that Katie and Tamar had. The line was literally out the door for them to take picture. They had this whole thing set where they could take pictures out door for the entire first two hours, and then every time they get done taking a picture with them, they'd walk over to John and I and want a picture with us. So it was almost like a two light step process. It was like Katie and Tamara taking pictures over to Alexis now we want it was. It was a lot of support shown and people that just you know, really they do love Katie and wanted to you know, extend that obviously, and they loved Tamara too, even though she's always the villain. But it was great. It was all positive. There were a ton of vendors. The drinks were great. They we did shush the room to to like actually listen to the reunion even though I couldn't hear it because people are still coming up to take pictures. But I had to watch it when I got home. But oh my gosh, oh my gosh, Carlos the craziest thing. I swear this on my life. I will never swear, but I will swear it on my life. This was the craziest part of the whole night. And John can attest to it because he was beside me the whole time, and Spencer was there so he can attest to it. So could probably Tamraw she was there part of the time. You have no idea how many people came up to me from that event. Probably a thousand people at least easy walking in and out and all the all the a thousand world more. I might be low balling that, but saying Alexis, we love you on Carlos, we love you, and Carlos your own thing and get off on your own and they're like, I mean, I was like, how do they even like all the people there were listening. I was so blown away. I'm like this is crazy, and I just felt so like happy because you know, I was tainted after season eighteen, but I feel like I wasn't given the respect to be shown the true story. So now people are hearing me with you and going, Okay, that's who Alexis really is. But it's it's awesome because also your podcast is huge, Honey. If seventeenish type of groups of people from the thousands came up and said the Carlos Show, I'm like, wow, so I.

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Speaker 3: Actually terry god, Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I have a bigger head today, Carlos because we have that much love for our Friday podcast today.

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Speaker 1: No listen, I'm actually like really emotional right now hearing that because I'm not gonna cry because I don't like crying on camera.

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Speaker 3: But what I will say is this, thank you for sharing that. Thank you for sharing that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, want to cry?

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, hem.

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Speaker 3: Roy and Roy, Okay, give me all the creams that I need.

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Speaker 1: That's that's very very kind of everybody who walked up to you saying that. It's very kind of the people who take time out to listen to Reality with the King listen to our episodes every week. It means the world to me, honestly, that you are getting the love. And I do mean that. It's the reason why. Look when I did the first episode with you, and I have all this backlash we don't want to hear from Alexis, yeah, and I'm like, whatever, you know, you'll, you'll get over it. And then all of a sudden it became like this is the duo that I never knew I needed.

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Speaker 3: And then, no matter how much, no matter how much.

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Speaker 1: Hatred that anyone receives on social media, I always tell my stars, my friends in the reality business, even you, it's not real.

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Speaker 3: It's just it doesn't represent the real world.

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Speaker 1: And our episode is constantly trending on TikTok.

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Speaker 3: The comments have been overwhelmingly positive.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that I'm able to provide a platform for you to really be seen after having such a very very difficult, challenging season last season, it means the world to me that that you're getting that.

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Speaker 3: So thank you for sharing that, Alexis. And and and listen.

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Speaker 1: Me, you and Spencer will talk because you know, just because ocs Andy doesn't mean we have to end.

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Speaker 2: Are you asking me on a date? What is you getting ready to ask me, I'm excited about this?

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Speaker 1: Well, you're married more man, I'm not gonna all John.

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Speaker 3: To kill me. But listen, what happened date.

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Speaker 1: We'll have a date with me, you and Spencer and Lizzie, you know, all four of us.

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Speaker 3: We'll have a go for some and just.

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Speaker 1: Like have any conversation about next, next, what's next for Alexis Blina.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm sorry, Alexi Janssen.

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Speaker 2: There's always a future, that's all I'll say. Yes, it's as Janson and I do not do four swingership. So but I would go on a death lunch date with you at all plutonic, you know, and whatever.

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Speaker 1: Yes, no, no, I'll come to the West coast and we'll have a meeting.

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Speaker 3: But thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: So let's get into part one of the Real Housewives of Orange County.

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Speaker 3: So rain Drops, do me a favor.

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Speaker 1: If you're watching this on my YouTube channel, okay, or if you're listening to some audio, take a drink every time you heard Alexis name being mentioned all this, I know if you're no bullshit, no bullshit, no bullshit. First of all, I just I just want to die right right into your name. I did account your name was mentioned six times?

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Speaker 3: You counted yes, because.

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Speaker 1: Look, sister, what is so fascinating about all of this is the fact that, and this may sound strange to the audience, but it's true your name was mentioned more in part one of this reunion that you weren't on all season, then last year's.

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Speaker 3: Part one reunion where you were featured. But I want to ask you this.

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Speaker 1: Did that it felt Listen, it felt strange to me, But I need to ask you how how how doesn't it feel to know your name was mentioned six times and you weren't even a part of the season.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of how I felt the whole season, though, Carlos is like I was like, I felt like even if I wasn't recapping with you, by the phone calls I would get after every episode, they would say, Alexis you need to watch this episode because you were brought up again. Oh you were brought up seven, you know, three times this one. So I felt like I would have had to watch it even if I didn't have this recap, you know, thing that you and I are doing, because it was like I was I am still such a part of the of the show, but you know, part of it's kind of like annoying because a lot of things said I'm not there to rebuttal and be like, no, that's not true, because if anyone's going to be the truth teller, you know it's going to be me. And guess what, I don't mean. I do not mind being called the receipt crazy woman. I will bring receipts for whatever I say. So I really have a hard time with the fact that like my name's brought up and then things are distorted or not true, like there's a couple on this for you, and that I'm like, no one with Jen, one with Katie, and I don't want to go backwards with them because we're all moving forward as we can see. But I'm still going to claim the truth because I didn't have the two million, three million viewership that the reunion got last night. But guess what, I still do have a voice and I am I am going to tell the truth about it. So it just it just it's mixed emotions. It's kind of funny, then it's kind of angry. It angries me a little bit at some point, so but then it's like it's also kind of like, well, y'all still kind of like me or have something to say about me.

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Speaker 3: So no, listen. As a producer, I need you to know this. I listen. I'm not some like you know. I'm not Miss.

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Speaker 1: Cleo right, I'm not some true teller. I'm not a psychic a part of the Dion Worwick Network. But what I will say is this when Andy Cohen said, Alexis texted me, oh my god, the re seating chart, you know what happened?

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Speaker 2: I was I was shitting bricks. I'm not kidding you. I I was texting one of my friends that wasn't watching it or didn't know the latest was just like and her name begins with an A. Also is like, hey, what's did you see the seating chart yet? I'm like, yeah, I screenshot at the Senate to her. The next thing I know, my my phone pings. I think it's gonna be her, and it pings and it's Auntie and he's like question mark. And I'm like, oh my god, I said to to Andy Cohen and he knows the seating Charty's freaking. They're booming right now. That's the reunion. And soon then I just said, oh my gosh, Andy, I am super embarrassed. I'm so sorry. I know you're in the reunion right now. That was just someone else. And then he he texted me right back and he's laughing and he's like, he's like, so, what do you think of the seating chart? And I go I gave him like a winkie eye and said, I think you guys know what you're doing like that. I really did, like almost crap my pants. I'm not kidding. I was so humiliated. And then I just I thought I have to just laugh it off.

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Speaker 1: But no, but I thought that anybody who knows you in real life knows that that is so Alexis Jansen, Like, that's just.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's what makes you, what makes you you, It's the quirkiness of your personality. And I want to say this, Alexis is the fact that they kept it in the episode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's hysterical that they left it into because they think they want to show once again there's the ditsy side of Alexis just popping into the episode.

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Speaker 3: No, it was so good. It was so good. It was so good.

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Speaker 1: But I love the fact that they kept it in because it made me feel like listen. They do love you, and I know sometimes it feels the opposite, but I just wanted you to know, as a producer, to keep that in, I thought spoke volume.

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Speaker 3: So that's what I have to say about that.

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Speaker 2: But let me tell you one other behind the scenes real quick that you don't know because they didn't keep it in, but I thought they. I thought they might, and I was apologizing to Tamor for it. But so I know that she's you know, I woke up at seven was going to text her then that morning just to like say hi, and a prayer and wish your good luck, and then I fell back asleep after I sent my kids to school, and I woke up at like eight forty or something, and I'm like, oh my gosh, they're going on set at nine. So I quickly text her and I'm like, I sent her this prayer, and so she starts reading it, I guess, and the cameras are in there. I have no clue, Like, I'm like, she's probably walking out on set right now, and it's going to read it like she's going to be on the set or what. I don't know, but I just sent it and she texts me back and she goes, oh, my gosh, started crying. They're in here filming me right now, and they asked me to read it, and and I go, I am so sorry, because the last thing you want if you've spent two hours in makeup is to be like crying right before you're And then I was like, I probably just messed up her whole mojo, and and she just said, no, it's totally good. I loved it. I needed that, thank you, and you know, and and I was thinking, oh my gosh, they're going to air that. And it's like I didn't even I didn't even perfect the prayer to be like sound good for TV, you know. But I was just like telling her how, you know, like go get them now, and you know, I'm praying for your tongue to be guarded and I'm praying for you to say what you need to say in a kind way. And then yeah, so that's another behind the scenes moment. So it's just, you know, it's.

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Speaker 3: Very lovely, weird friendship.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's awesome. It's awesome.

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Speaker 1: We got to get into your wedding day being mentioned at the top of the reunion. You know, Andy did ask about your wedding to Tamra. When Tamra said is one of the best weddings she's been to, tam was like, look, I feel uncomfortable talking about the wedding in front of Shannon, and Shannon was like, no, it was all good.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was a beautiful wedding.

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Speaker 1: And then they ask her if John was wearing good Paragamo shoes that she mented she.

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Speaker 3: Got on sale.

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Speaker 1: So how did it feel to hear Shannon compliment your wedding And did you feel like she, you know, was being genuine?

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Speaker 2: I don't really know, And I mean, I'm glad that it feels like she can finally move on. And hopefully now next season, if she's back on the show, she'll leave my husband's name out of her mouth because it makes her look kind of like an idiot to bring him up this many years later and after he's like fully married. So hopefully that has been a lesson for her watching it play back this season. But I did feel like I did feel like she meant it, because there's no one that can say my wedding was beautiful and think they're lying because it was beautiful. It was one of the most beautiful things that actually came together. You know, when you're when you're creating the vision Carlos of a wedding, you don't know till the day of. You think you have this vision, but it might not look like all the suits that we had made and dresses that we had and all the stuff we were trying to put together. I wouldn't know until we got everybody together for that picture, and it was like it was beautiful and how emotional it was. So I appreciated Tamar being sensitive to the fact that Shannon was sitting there. But Tamer's asked a question in front of everybody and has to answer honestly. And I know that Tamara held back saying a lot of what she really wanted to say about the wedding, just in respect for Shannon's, you know, difficulty moving forward with it all during the season. But yeah, so I do believe Shannon that she thought it was gorgeous because it was.

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Speaker 1: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show now.

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Speaker 3: Listen. It was a very very very beautiful wedding. We saw the photo.

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Speaker 1: I want you to ask of this because obviously you know better than anybody Jen did mention that she was disinvited, but that she did text you the debut wedding and you.

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Speaker 3: Text her back, but clear of the story for us what really happened.

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Speaker 2: You know. And that's the part that's frustrating when I'm on a show being mentioned and talked about when I'm not there to say my side of it and actually say the truth. Because the one thing everyone knows is I'm gonna If I'm going to talk about something, I will bring receipts. So if I need to bring receipts on my phone from all the text to prove anything on this conversation, I will do that. I don't care if I'm called, you know, a receipt freak or whatever they want to say. Yeah, if you're going to talk, have the truth behind you. So anyway, the part that bothered me what Jen said at the reunion was I had heard that her and Shannon were talking or something like that, and I can't remember her words for batim, and that's why I disinvited her. But Carlos, I have the text chain that I can post if everybody would like me to, which I don't really want to go that deep, So just trust me. But basically what happened is Jen and I were talking every day. Okay, I didn't know it was all happening behind the scenes. That's her, you know, her truth, because that's what was happening. That's why she distanced herself from me is because she was getting close to Shannon. However, we're grown adult, so I would have thought she wouldn't have to distance herself from me. We could be friends with both, you know, like you can do both. Anyway, I'm texting her, she doesn't answer. One day, I'm text her again, she doesn't answer. That day I call her, she didn't answer the phone. It was all kind of weird because it was like three or four in about a week or two time period. But I also get that we're busy moms and she's got a freakin' football team for her as her children and dogs. Okay, So I totally didn't think anything about it. Was not even worried about anything like what she said about of friendship. I didn't think she had that in her to break up my friendship with her over Shannon, because I thought she was more and I think she is and she now regrets it, but I thought she was more mature than that, honestly. So then I go in for my you know, my surgery for my breast when I had the medical emergency kind of thing I had, I had to have a boob job because it encapsulated so and rupture. So anyways, I text her and I'm like, Okay, it's now. It's really weird. You know, I'm going in for surgery. I really wanted to catch up with you before, you know, I go in and but I'll be recovering. Let's talk right after crickets. She did not call to check on me. When we would have cramps. We would call each other and be in the like carpool. I'm like, oh my gosh, I have the worst cramps right now, this and that, and complain and check in on each other, how's your headache now? Kind of thing. Did not reach out at all. After my surgery. That's when I said I'm done. I'm five months away from my wedding. This friend that's on a very select guest list that I have to keep it at a certain quota because of the room size that where we chose to get married, it was it was a one fifty massive main capacity, and for me, I wanted it to be at about one twenty because of I didn't want people like sardines in there. We still ended up at one fifty. But here you go, I'm like, she doesn't deserve a seat at the wedding, and she's not even gonna check in on me right Like, there's a lot of people were not inviting, So okay, you don't. You don't obviously love it as much, so I'm going to take you off and I'm going to bring someone else in that does chuck on me. And I do talk to regularly before I'm getting married in five months. But then when she texted me on the wedding day, well, first of all, some things that happened because i'd watched you know, we got married, and then I watched some of the episodes and I saw her tell Shannon, no, I'm probably not going to go to Alexis's wedding. That's when it hit me that she's that is what she was doing. That's why she kind of ghosted me quote unquote for that three week period of time, and that's why she got disinvited. So she admitted it right there, because she told Shannon on scene that she wasn't going to go for Shannon. Okay, rude and immature by the way, and then you know she then she gas lipped me during that time though I have to be honest about this because that is this is the reality behind it. She gaspped me and said, why are you uninviting me? This doesn't make sense? And I said, how can it not make sense when you did not check in on me after a after a surgery. How and you didn't talk to me for the three two weeks before that? It was a three week time period. How does that not make sense to someone that you get disinvited if you're not checking in on your friend who goes in for emergency surgery. So anyway, fast forward to now. So then last night when she said that that was the reason why she was uninvited, not true. But then when she texts me on my wedding day, I do have a big heart. I do understand. We all f up. We're all humans. None of us are perfect, except you know God. And I just thought, Okay, I'm gonna you know, this is so crazy. I do love you, and I do love her, I do care about her, I love her and rying together. I've said this over and over on your podcast, and I can also forgive. So then I was sitting there and hair and maycap literally and I'm like, I know it's never gonna be She's not gonna be able to make it. How are you gonna get a wedding outfit for this kind of a wedding that fast? You know? And and then she ended up being in San Diego anyway, but I'm like, you know, I wish there was a world where we could have. You should have been here, you should be on this list, you should be here, so you know, we need to talk it all out and figure it out. And then she's just like, oh my gosh, you're so sweet and I'm in San Diego and otherwise yes, but it's like, so we worked past that, but I don't like when I'm still things are still not portrayed totally honestly, Like that's It wasn't because I thought anything about Shannon at all. I didn't even think she was in the equation. I just thought Jen was not being a very good friend by not checking in on me. There you go, that was long.

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Speaker 3: It's okay.

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Speaker 1: Now I want you to get everything out. What is your relationship like with Jen?

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Speaker 3: Today?

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Speaker 2: We have texted quite a few times. We have tried to call each other. When I was in Missouri, we were trying to call each other and get and then a couple times even now like we we I love Jen, I care about Jen. I don't want us to not be friends. I understand she felt like Shan now after only after watching this whole season unfold Carlos, I now know a sixty three year old adult woman was trying to ask Jin, my friend not to like to choose a lane, which is very unacceptable and high school to me. So I now see it all clear picture. I think Jin regretted it after watching it unfold two. I think she also she felt bad enough to text me and missed me and wanted to wish me a good look on my wedding day. So I know that there's room for improvement and forgiveness and talking things through and also just growth of growth of ourselves, you know what I mean. Like, I think Jin probably and I'm speaking for her right now because we haven't talked about this, but I think she probably feels bad and misses me, and I mean we had a great friendship. I freaking love her, like, so yeah, that's where I think it stands and so I'm not. We haven't had time to connect and actually have the talk that we need to. But I do know that both of our doors are open, and we've said that on the text exchange, like let's get this hashed out, let's talk it through.

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Speaker 1: Well good, No, listen, I love Jen, I love the prenticeship you guys have, and listen, I don't think it's nothing that can't be resolved. One thing that just cannot be resolved is Shannon and Tamra. And once again, our episode was mentioned without mentioning Reality with the King. So Andy did say, you know, Alexis was on a podcast Hi Bramo, Reality with the King, where where Alexis and Carlos King both said, where you and I both feel like Tamra is being iced out on the show. And listen, I want my rain drops to really watch this episode, this reunion. Shannon, who was sitting at the end, which by the way, let's be clear, Shannon did I like being at the end, and Shannon hated seeing Tamara the front seat. That's why Shannon kept interrupting Tamra and wanting to get an edge in and that's why Tamra's frustrated.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm not even talking to you.

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Speaker 1: Shut up, like leave me alone, because that's that was the case. I I stand on business. I do feel like these girls are icing out, Tamra.

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Speaker 3: It was evident this reunion.

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Speaker 1: Did you feel the same way watching it to alexis.

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Speaker 2: One And the way that that you know is by their eye rolls and their eye looks every time tamer would talk. And then the other way that it's very clear was when Gretchen walked out how much they asked kissed Gretchen who is, oh my gosh, all of shit all the time and does dress like a freaking costume Halloween person every day of her life. And they're all like, oh, we like it. You know, they make fun of her behind her back, but they're like, oh, we love it, we love we actually think.

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Speaker 3: Let's see those text messages.

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Speaker 2: Heather's little dig. Heather's a little dig. She actually goes. It's amusing. I actually like how you dress. It's like no woman wants to go or it's a music or whatever the word was. I'm like, oh my god. Heather always has a back end way of like like kind of like saying something, but it's actually kind of a little dig, but she doesn't even mean it that way, but it just comes. It's like, oh my god, Okay, okay, now I thought it was crazy entertaining Carlos entertaining.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she says she thought that I was entertaining. I'm like, what are you been talking about here?

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Speaker 1: And it was it was so obvious because they need basiline with how much they use their lips and kiss Gretchen's ass.

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Speaker 3: It was so obvious, and it was such to me.

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Speaker 2: Camera out is what's happening, and that's what they're trying to do. But here's the best part of this, Carlos, you never know what the hell Bravo is gonna do. They five, they I quit season seven, quit the show. No housewife quits the show. I actually literally quit. This is the honesty, god truth. I have emails and texts to prove it. They then called me back and begged me back for season eight, begged like we it was a lot, and I kept saying no, okay, so you don't know what brob and then they fired me season eight. At the end of season eight, then they fired me, so quit season seven. They begged me back, fired me season eight. You have that hot after all that work they had to go through to get me back on season eight. It's like it's like you never know what's going on in their mind. You don't know, and they're honestly, they're the best at this because look at how it's twentieth season coming up. They know what they're doing, so so it doesn't matter what the women on the cast think they're gonna do. I'm sorry if you think you ice Katie out, she's gone, baby cakes. I don't think so. You should have seen the love she was getting last night at that at that event. You should see there is something about they do not like. The fans don't like what happened to Katie, So you don't know. She could very well be back in Girls. If you want to film and you want to be on the show, you better buckle up and film with her and not try to ice her up. Same thing with Tamra. I'm sorry, she's not the longest standing housewife for no reason, Carlos. She's the only one that carries the show. But the girls don't like that she keeps truth and facts in her brain. They want things to be overlooked and they want the show to go a little bit more like not so like, Okay, well, if you're gonna call me out about this, I'm gonna tell the truth about that too. Like they want more of a I think, more of like a vanilla show or something. But that's not what's going to keep.

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Speaker 3: No, listen, Tamra's necessary from the show. But it just nawned on me. You and Katie saw each other last night. How was that?

00:27:32
Speaker 2: I mean, we've already been texting because when I got invited to the event, Tamar obviously invited me. I'm one of her closest friends, and so I texted Katie and I just said I don't have it. I don't have it memorized, obviously, but I said something like, Hey, just wanted you to know I'm excited Tamar invited me to your event. I'm gonna come, and I want to support you too, and I'm excited to support you something like that. And then she texted back, you know, and said whatever, because here's the honest truth. I think in her mind, this is another point I wanted to make. Oh good, this is good. I didn't even know this would come up, but this is where it's gonna come up, brain drops, tune in on this one. Okay, turn those ears on. Okay. So last night at the reunion, it was like like when Katie said, I did not play it for Alexis, I would love her to say what Shannon said then, and then Andy goes, well, let's play it. Well, I'm gonna tell you what Shannon said, because I did hear the mimo, the voice memo, and I'm not crazy, and I'm not I mean, and by the way, it's been a year and a half now that I heard it, but it was what I do remember is I know who she was talking to. How would I know that if I didn't hear it. Second of all, Shannon was screaming, Alexis Bolina is here, she's here. This is not good for my mental health. And I don't know why we have here at the same time, and I mean it was and she was literally ballistic about me being there. And I'm four rooms down and I never had to see the witch, never had to see her. I was in my own room. They brought me out, I got done, and I got taken away in my car. Never got just never had to see her. She just couldn't stand the fact that I was there, So first of all, you don't yell at production, Second of all, or out production. I'm sorry, this was somebody else, even like a big wig. Okay, you don't yell at them, but then you don't. I mean, it's like, who cares if we have to go and take a picture on set. We're on the same TV show. You could have said no to the TV show knowing they were bringing me in. You have every right to quit at any point you want to. You can get out of your contract. So yeah, so I did hear. There was so much more in aff.

00:29:28
Speaker 3: But who played for you? Who played?

00:29:31
Speaker 2: Katie played me the voice memo at a restaurant across the street from my house, and the women next to us were sitting to my left were two brunettes and another blonde. I can't this is how much I remember the day. Carlos and Jen was at that lunch, and I know Jen said I went up and got to the bathroom. I can't remember if I ever made eye contact with Jin or talk to her when I was hearing the voice memo. I just remember looking left to my left and I was like, Katie, like those women are like we got a a little bit because I didn't want our dirt of the show to be listened to by other patrons at the restaurant. So yeah, I mean so, Katie, I think really doesn't remember letting me hear it, but she did, so I'm willing to move on past that and let her think in her mind I didn't hear it. But the whole bottom line is Carlos, she did the she recorded it, so that should be the end of it. Who cares like the minutia if she it's like, that's such minuche, But it's it's the truth, and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go to my grave saying, oh, yeah, I was wrong when I'm not wrong. I heard the whole thing.

00:30:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, actually I can agree with you. Listen.

00:30:38
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I was happy to see Katie beer. She looked gorgeous.

00:30:42
Speaker 3: And we've moved on.

00:30:44
Speaker 2: To answer your question, we've moved on. I adore her. Matt and I and John had a long talk while she was busy doing some other things last night. I adore them and I care about them also, and I'm I'm easily willing to squash be and talking a mature setting and work past things, because you know, that's what you have to do in life. We got to work past certain situations. As long as you don't know, cheat on, cheat on my husband, or having a fair with my husband, I can or hurt one of my kids. I can pretty much squash the beef about anything else.

00:31:16
Speaker 1: Well, maybe some of the OC housewives need to take a page for your book, because tam or grudge asked Shannon Paul, which, by the way, it's hilarious, but let's be clear a fan said that, and Shanna picked it up again, it is what it is. But what I thought what was so interesting is the fact that tamer said, where Shannon you recorded Vicki? And hey, my my mouth dropped. I'm like, wait, what is happening right now? Because again I watched the show and I watch all nineteen seasons, and I'm like, when does Shannon record Vicki? And Shannon looked like she saw a ghost and She's like, well, she was dealing something with her husband.

00:31:56
Speaker 2: Makes someone mad, You're gonna make someone mad, Okay, Carlos, When is Shannon ever care who she makes mad? She's trying to dictate people's friendships and not worried about it. How is she gonna care about if if Tamra made Vicky mad for that? But it is true, and I want to say this, and I'm gonna leave it very simple for the listeners to take for themselves. Remember that I'm married to John. Okay, it is true about the recording, and it is true what Tamarra said about Shannon was talking smack on VICKI so yeah, that's all true. And again I have receipts and I'm not gonna go there because then it's like, oh my god, I like say, but it's the truth, and I'm I'm sorry. I gotta be truth teller. I just I can't. I should have been like this and I have no other way, but just to be a truth teller. I would never say these things, Carlos, unless if I got put in front of a judge and was getting ready to go to jail for saying this, I would be able to say, hmmm, here it is judge, so yeah, wait a.

00:33:05
Speaker 1: Second, or or a love detect the test examiner, that's time to release. But wait a second, sister, I this is tea because.

00:33:14
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep it very I'm going to keep it very Let the let the listeners.

00:33:18
Speaker 3: No, yes, no, no, no, I don't have to say this. I have to say this. I've only.

00:33:26
Speaker 1: Speechless, okay because because I'm gagging. All right, Look, and that's till my glasses off so I can see.

00:33:33
Speaker 3: Look.

00:33:36
Speaker 1: I thought, based on watching the show, that Shannon said she recorded something going on with Vicki her husband, but that she deleted it afterwards. But you're saying Shannon was caught on the recording talking about Vicky.

00:33:54
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just saying that what Tamra said is true. I will leave it at that, and I have the receipts for it.

00:34:00
Speaker 3: So yeah, we do have. But how do you have the receipt Alexis dances my husband? You have possession of the audio?

00:34:09
Speaker 2: No, I don't have possession of the audio. I have other I have proof of other words exchanged and and that camera is right. It was being called out that it was Vicky was the culprit and the bad one, just saying that, okay, we need to move on. I'm going to get trouble and all that's gonna make me think I'm psycho when I'm not. All I am is wanting to get to the bottom of the truth here, And so do I do my deep Dateline NBC research as a detective. Yes, I do, because that is what I do. I should belong on Dateline because I would find the murderer. I promise you I would get to the bottom.

00:34:53
Speaker 3: I love you.

00:34:55
Speaker 2: So I've had a little copies, so I'm.

00:34:58
Speaker 3: A little I just love you. I love you.

00:35:04
Speaker 1: What I love about you is the fact that you always keep it real. And look, when the conversation was going on with Katie and and Gina, I thought Gina did a great job at taking countability and apologizing to Katie in regards to.

00:35:23
Speaker 2: Go ahead remind me though, yeah no, no, oh yeah.

00:35:26
Speaker 3: So when.

00:35:29
Speaker 1: Katie told Monique that she felt there was some racial undertones in regards to Gina asking about wearing Asian designers, I thought Gina did a fabulous job addressing it, taking taking accountability and apologizing.

00:35:48
Speaker 3: I thought it. I wish it would have happened on the show.

00:35:52
Speaker 1: And I wish these sort of conversations of accountability and apologizing that fast would happen, because we saw how Katie sat immediately and moved on. So listen, I know the world gives Gina shit, but I will say I thought Gina did a fabulous job explaining herself. Now I'm making excuses and being accountable. I thought it was fabulous, so I want to make sure that that was mentioned.

00:36:18
Speaker 3: I agree.

00:36:19
Speaker 2: I yeah, I'm not really super passionate about any part of that, other than the fact that, like I think more women should have said when Andy said after that part where Gina set her piece where and even when Andy said, does anyone else want to apologize to Katie? I feel like a lot of those women owed Katie an apology. I'm sorry, even though she's still not recalling that she played the audio for me. I'm willing to move past that. It does not mean that I still don't have empathy and compassion to the fact that the way she was iced out, and they can, those women can say whatever the f they want. She was iced out, okay, And I think to be honest, Carlos, Oh, It's only been episode one of the reunion, but I want to say this. I was impressed and proud of Katie for how she handled her own I think she grew stronger this season, because when you go to rock bottom, you do get strength through that. Going through all those emotions. I think she was calm, cool, collected, spoke her peace, and didn't just sit there like a deer in headlights like she did last season when I was on the house on you know, the reunion. So I want to give her kudos for that and just say, you know, I was very happy to see that she did. But the women did owe her an apology.

00:37:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, look, Shannon says she apologized for saying that she thought Katie was as evil as Alexis.

00:37:36
Speaker 2: I never heard Shannon say I'm sorry. One time. She skirted around it, and I maybe I need to go back and rewind it, Carlos, but I never heard it. All I heard was her kind of take accountability in her own sort of non accountability way, be like I shouldn't have said that. That's not and I'm sorry.

00:37:51
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true. No, you're right, you're right.

00:37:54
Speaker 2: Is I'm sorry, and there's never a butt after it. If you're truly sorry, it's just I am so sorry. I'm so sorry. But or I shouldn't have done that. That's not an apology. No, I agree with that because I don't know.

00:38:07
Speaker 3: I'm thinking you're right. I think so. I think so no, I'm telling you right now, You're absolutely right.

00:38:11
Speaker 1: She never said I'm sorry, she said she she she tried to do what you said.

00:38:15
Speaker 3: She was like, uh, I shouldn't have said it. I meant it this way.

00:38:19
Speaker 1: But what was so obvious to me is the fact that you and I spoke about this. You even said, look, as a former housewife, when it comes to these shows, yes, a lot of us are friends, but some of us, or some of them, rather.

00:38:33
Speaker 3: They do have strategy when it comes to the show.

00:38:37
Speaker 1: Even when they brought a Vicki and Tamra saying that, look, she wants Vicki back, and look, I think anybody breathing should want the og of the OC back for season twenty, which is next season. Whether or not Tamor is using strategy to do it, I think the producers have strategy to bring her back.

00:38:55
Speaker 3: But it was I thought it was very fascinating.

00:38:58
Speaker 1: That Emily questioned and even asked, is it strategy or friendship? And I'm like, Emily, you're the wrong person to talk. You kicked out Katie, you yelled at her. You also yelled at Tamar for filming with Katie.

00:39:15
Speaker 3: Again.

00:39:15
Speaker 1: You all of this is strategy. It is so once again, Shannon even saying that.

00:39:24
Speaker 3: Look which I look, I do believe it. I don't care what anyone says.

00:39:28
Speaker 1: I do believe that Shannon wants Gretchen to replace Tamara, whether or not there was a phone call, whatever, because I love you Jen. But Jen does have the memory of a plant. She doesn't remember anything, and I love Jen.

00:39:43
Speaker 3: I love Jen.

00:39:44
Speaker 4: The fact that Jen may not remember the fact that she said I went to the bathroom when Katie played the audio for you, Alexis or I don't remember Gretchen saying that Tamar tried to drug her.

00:39:58
Speaker 1: Jen takes take I don't know we need to take, but you need to take something that made me back some B B double A.

00:40:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a brain. There's a there's a vitamin brain. It's like, we go, is it vitamin A that's eyes, it's not vitamin D that's cold. Like we need to mail her the brain vitamin Carlos had a little gift from us just to just here you go, sweetie. We love you.

00:40:23
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, as if I google exactly what she needs, because I'm going to give her a free supply of that.

00:40:30
Speaker 3: Because because my girl, my girl needs it.

00:40:33
Speaker 2: Baby, especially if you're gonna be on this show and now she's going on a fourth season. Holy crap, you have to remember everything from season four seasons ago in order to survive on this show. But going back to the strategy thing, Carlos, Oh, but before.

00:40:46
Speaker 1: You go, it's call but Alexis, it's called jink jink go below ba.

00:40:53
Speaker 2: Yes, Jinko Belova, Yes, Jinko Blova. That's how you pronounced it. Is it? I knew?

00:40:58
Speaker 1: I knew there was one, So Jan, I'm giving your first supply of Bad Girl Friend.

00:41:02
Speaker 3: Well go ahead of le Oh, so nice colors.

00:41:06
Speaker 2: You're like that so nice? So back to the strategizing. Okay, First of all, Emily likes to act like she doesn't do everything she calls everyone else out on doing, because if you ever rewind any of the six seasons she's been on, she's done pretty much every single thing that She's always like going, why are you saying I do? Like I'm just like, I like, look at my I'm going crazy. Sometimes I'm like, oh my gosh, you're the you're sure the kettle what's it? Tea calling the kettle black? Or pot called pot calling the kettle black?

00:41:37
Speaker 5: Pot pop calling the kettle black like every single episode basically. But but I think all these women and if they say they don't, they're lying.

00:41:48
Speaker 2: Everyone has some sort of a strategy. It is kind of the game of survivor to be on a housewives show. I'm just being honest. I've been there and done that, happy that I did it. It was a great part of my life. But it is the truth. You are kind of playing a little because you want to be honest, but you don't want to tick everyone off because you don't want to be Katie on the Desert Island, which I've been before. You don't want to You have to try to kind of keep the peace but yet be honest and real and authentic and tell call the truth out when the truth needs to be told. It's a very sticky. It's a very difficult career, first of all. And I want to give kudos to all the women on every franchise because not everybody can handle it. Not everybody can do that job, and it is entertainment, so you kind of have to keep it at that level. Like none of us are performing brain surgery kind of thing, Like we're literally here to make people laugh and get out escape their reality and their own world. But I do know that every single woman on that stage has a strategy, and no doubt, there's no doubt that it was to get Tamra off the show for season twenty. There is no doubt. I think they're jealous that she's been on the longest. I think they don't want her on season twenty. And I think they don't want someone who has so many facts in her brain because she's very smart that will just call it out when it's time for the truth to be told. And that is why Tamara carries the show forward. And you know, I got on Instagram only for a brief second this morning and just to check the dms from last night and see if anyone else sent more photos you can put on story and stuff, you know. But and the first thing that poppped up was after the reading, one of the bloggers. I don't didn't screenshot it. I don't remember what it said, but it was one of the Bravo bloggers, and it said kudos to Tamar for carrying this season once again. So as much as the women hate her, everyone knows that there's not going to be as good of a show without Tamra there period and lover her her hater because there's been years I've hated her and I could have still said that about her. She at least carries the show. That's why there's a season twenty. You can thank her for that a lot.

00:43:51
Speaker 3: I agree.

00:43:53
Speaker 1: I agree, you're back, You're back, We're back.

00:44:02
Speaker 3: Okay. So one thing that we have.

00:44:07
Speaker 1: To get into alexis Gretchen comes out.

00:44:17
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, what.

00:44:20
Speaker 3: Now?

00:44:21
Speaker 1: It could be Naty Caragan, it could be John Banna Ramsey. It's it's definitely an outfit just for Gretchen. Before we get to hur and s Lake, there's someone to unpack here. What did you think of Gretchen's re union dress?

00:44:42
Speaker 2: I I think I'm actually gonna plead the fifth on this one, just because it's like I just I just don't there's no there's really nothing for me to say. I mean, it speaks quite volumes for itself, doesn't it. I mean, you don't really have to say much.

00:44:58
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, my vote is Nasty care Again or even Tanya Harding.

00:45:02
Speaker 3: But listen, that's that's my opinion.

00:45:04
Speaker 1: But you look, it's I I thought, in the words of Heather, it was entertaining, but the most entertaining part to me of Gretchen's presidence, and we have to get into before we end the show.

00:45:17
Speaker 6: We have to get into the shade of Slade because baby that with Andy asked what does slave do? Of course my mind went to Alexis with.

00:45:33
Speaker 3: She told Slaye on this podcast to get a job and stay out of women's business.

00:45:41
Speaker 1: Gretchen said that Slave is a consultant and he's on the Liberachi board.

00:45:46
Speaker 3: What the fuck is.

00:45:50
Speaker 2: That's called? I got to pull something out of my ass for my uh forever fiance because I need him to look better than what this show has made him look like. So I've got a really good idea of site, Let's find some committee that you can become a part of. And then it sounds really good. And so you know, they were on their email and everybody about work. What committee can we put Slade on? You know? No, you know what? In all honesty, Carlos, here's the thing I like when Heather stood up for Gotchen a little bit and said, look, whatever your relationship is, it's fine. You don't know anybody answers. Where I get lost in all of it is that it is like they're trying to portray something that's not real, like it is just like, no, we're never going to get married. Just admit it. I'm not going to marry him beause he has too much debt. He did go to jail, he did in two thousand and nine for not paying child support. So he was considered a dead beat dad for that at that point in his life. And by the way, it is not Tamra that is saying dead beat dad, that is not getting Slat employed. Okay, I've said that two podcasts ago with you. I'm going to keep saying it because if anyone believes that there you know what, I have about a million dollars and dish towels that I want to sell you. If you believe that, okay, I promise you that they're worth a million. Okay, But I think that it's like I do feel if Slade does buy his own uses his own money from this Liberachi thing that I didn't even know the committees paid when you're on a board. I didn't even think you got paid to be on a board. I thought you were given away your time and trying to make me same anyway, So I don't know, but if he's buying his own groceries and that's how they live their life. Fine, be with own it and just be like, no, he's not going to get a job. He's going to live off of me. He is step stay at home dad. I'm the worker. That would be so much more respectful than if you try to change it or twist it, or portray it or say things that don't That's where the women were getting confused because they're like, but you proposed to them, So why'd you propose to him if you said you're never going to marry it? Because proposing means you're going to get married at some point. It could be five years down the road, could be sixteen years down the road. But an engagement means at one point in time, we are going to get married. It's clear they're not. But even if they do, just own the fact that we don't want to get married. If you don't want to get married, we're going to stay engaged with theirs to of our life. America would look at it so much better and different and be like, they're owning it. So what who's that? Who's that couple? Goldie Hawn and what's his name?

00:48:15
Speaker 3: Yeah?

00:48:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, they never got married, and they were together for their whole life and have still be Aren't they still together? I mean still together yeah, twenty or thirty years. But you know what, no one ever questioned them because they didn't get engaged, and they never said yes bad man, never said we'll get married at one point, never had to defend their relationship because there was no lying or deceit going on. I think the reason the women are questioning, well, but who buys the groceries and when are you getting married is because it looks like they're trying to portray something that that's not Why would you go say your vows before a a They said it was an ordained minister, before an ordained minister, if you had no intention of ever filing that to be a marriage. I mean, it does not make sense to me other than they wanted to Maybe maybe they wanted to say those vows and it meant the world to them. But then it's just more called a ceremony. It's like we just had a ceremony of love. That's what it should because yet not portraying anything that's false. It's just a ceremony of love, and the end of the story.

00:49:16
Speaker 3: Yes, it's I listen, I agree with you. I agree with Heather just own as your relationship. Who cares.

00:49:22
Speaker 1: But it is very interesting and I thought I was very funny when Andy said, look, I thought you guys did that to get a Bravo wedding special so that we could pay for it.

00:49:30
Speaker 2: Carlos, I jumped up out of bed because I had to watch this after last night, right after the whole party that we went to. I jumped.

00:49:38
Speaker 3: I was like, going, oh my god, that was so gag.

00:49:41
Speaker 2: I literally got up out of bed because I was like, what the heck did you? Did you just do? I was gobsmacked, like baffled. I was like, holy heck, he really just went there. But it's so true.

00:49:53
Speaker 1: Yes, no, it's I think it's what it is too. And it's funny because you saidness and I agree with you. That's near forever fiance. I don't think they will ever get married.

00:50:04
Speaker 2: No otherwise. When they asked, when they they asked her point blank, another thing that makes it look like the level of deceit like she's trying to deceive what the relationship really is. The other thing they asked her was someone said, well, when are you going to be ready then, and she's like, I'm ready now. I do know. No, you're not, because if you are ready now, you'd say, we put a date on the books for next June twelfth of twenty twenty six, you know. Like it's like, it's like, don't deceive, just say we're going to stay engaged, and that that's what means the world to us. That's so much more respectful, isn't it. Because look, my last engagement, my last engagement right before Johnny, we didn't have a date on the books. We had no date, and I didn't know a date. And the minute I got engaged to Johnny, we put a date on. But I was never going around town saying we don't know. I honestly thought if I ever did marry him, or we ever did get a date on the books, it would be way down. He had a lot younger kids. I knew it was going to be a long ways away. But I didn't try to deceive people in the community by saying we are going to you know, like, I was just very honest with it. We don't know, we're engaged now, we're excited about this. We're living in the you know, the relishing in this engagement forever.

00:51:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, no years, mark my words.

00:51:15
Speaker 1: The only way Gretchen and Slade are getting married is if she's asked back to be a housewife next season, and that's her storyline.

00:51:27
Speaker 3: I promise you.

00:51:28
Speaker 2: I don't promise you. I don't even think then. I think he has too much debt and too much that she can't she doesn't want to take on. I think I forget. I was filming back when that scene happened that they flashed back to that Gretchen had said. Heather called Gretchen out back then. That was like two thousand and eight or nine or ten, one of those seasons that I was on, and Heather called out her out and said, yeah, but you don't want to marry him because he's got too much debt and you don't want to carry it that on. And Gretchen was honest at that point and owned it and said, yeah, I don't. I don't want to take that on. That is so respectful and understandable. I get that, don't take his dead on, don't take his you know. So, I don't think even if they got asked as full time cast, they because I you know, Slade is basically works for her and does all her job. But if they got us back next season as as she did as a housewife to have an orange, I still don't think she would marry him.

00:52:21
Speaker 1: I don't well, baby, we will wait and see and part two next week we have the showdown between Gretchen and Tamera.

00:52:30
Speaker 3: And I do want to say this shout out to Emily.

00:52:34
Speaker 1: Emily my thoughts and purse with your son, as Emily talked about her son possibly having pandas and how you know the strep the bacteria affects your brain and the brain swelling. So my thoughts and priss go out to Emily and and and Shane's son. So I want to make sure that Alexai said that she agrees to. So Alexi, before I'll let you go, let.

00:53:00
Speaker 3: The rain drops know what you got bombard it last night.

00:53:04
Speaker 1: You're gonna give bombard it next week because you will be at Bravo Con.

00:53:10
Speaker 2: I am gonna be there for three of the days. Yes, I'm I'm not gonna be at the Bravos, but I'll be staying. You know, I'll be at a lot of the places that everyone's at. I am working for iHeart to do a couple podcastings and uh interviewing and the celebs and all of that. So it's gonna be a lot of fun. And yeah, I'm really excited. And then it's oh, it's Gollina's birthday. Let's give a shout out to Gallina. This is I'm wearing her T shirt on interview today, Galina because it's her birthday while we're there.

00:53:39
Speaker 3: So that's birthday.

00:53:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're gonna do a little birthday celebration there too, So yeah, it's gonna be fun. And you're not coming, Carlos.

00:53:48
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, I know, but I will be able to get you back next week to hear all about it, because Friday I'll be.

00:53:56
Speaker 2: I'll be in the thick of Bravo Con Friday morning from my hotel room when we you and I are are are doing recapping the reunion. I may look a little bit retired. I'll probably have glasses on and be barely woken up, but we're going to because I'm working all day Thursday, and then I have to work all day Friday too. I actually might be in hair and makeup when we have to do that. Oh my gosh, we got.

00:54:18
Speaker 3: I'm like even better but we'll figure it out.

00:54:21
Speaker 1: We'll get Spencer on it. But congratulates. I'm proud of you, So rain Drops. Next week Alexi will be back recapping part to the reunion and giving us some tea of our Bravo conscin Ot agains that who.

00:54:34
Speaker 3: Knows, maybe will be a storyline season.

00:54:38
Speaker 1: So Alexis Janson, I love you, having a great weekend, my love.

00:54:43
Speaker 3: So Johona said hi, and I'll see you next Friday. By rain Drops one Bye Boo.

00:54:52
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00:55:00
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00:55:02
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