#316 - Why Gun Forums Push New Shooters Away

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I was going to say, this is probably
the easiest episode we've ever done.

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To sum up.

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Don't be a jerk.

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You know?

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I said.

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Stop!

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Hi there, and welcome
to this episode of the Guns Podcast,

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Well, you are, you are, I appreciate it.

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Well, right.

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We're we're pulling one of our patented
left turns with this episode

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because we had something planned,
and we'll probably do it next week.

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But we got we got to complaining
and bitching and moaning about something.

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And I said, you know, stop right there.

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We're going to hit record
and we're going to do an episode.

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So we're going to talk about
internet forums, which quite frankly, my

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there's there's whale doo doo
and there's product liability lawyers.

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And then there's internet forums
right below that.

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So we, we, we're
folks are going to get an earful today.

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And, I'll say one thing
before we get started, not every person

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that hangs out on forums is a knucklehead,
but if you hang out on forums,

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you have to admit
there's a lot of them out there. So.

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Right.

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You were kind of the one that started us
on this conversation with some real

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great examples of
of morons on the internet.

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So, when somebody
says forum gun forum to you,

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besides
rolling your eyes, what do you say?

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Well, you know what?

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They could be something very good.

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Yeah. You know.

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And like you say,
we're not disparaging all of it.

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And everyone

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I know, people who they work very hard,
they try very hard to police their forums.

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You know, and frankly, I think it shows,

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you know, I've found that the,
the sort of dedicated collector

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forums here are the cold collectors
or the Smith and Wesson collectors

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or people like that.

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Their forums
are usually pretty well-behaved.

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You know, people tend to be polite.

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You know, if somebody says, hey,
I have this new gun,

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I can't, you know, I don't know what it is
rather than the next post being

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or you're a moron because you
and you should never own any guns.

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Usually the next post
is something like welcome to the forum,

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you know what you have

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is a is a very classic Smith
and Wesson Model ten from pre-war.

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You know and then there's usually
this engage conversation afterwards.

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Well gosh that's fun.

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You know there's nothing wrong with that.

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But I

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foolishly went to a forum the other day,

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about a reader brought it up
and he said, hey,

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I thought you'd be interested in this.

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And against my better judgment,
and with the quaking mouse finger,

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you know, I clicked on the link and,

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and it was it was very typical of it.

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So, somebody came on and said, hey,
I have this rifle and,

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you know, I have some questions about it.

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And then
and so the next poster was was very nice.

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Hey, welcome to the forum.

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You have a really cool gun.

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It's a this and this and this and this
and this and this.

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And the very next post was

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if you don't know what you have
and how to work it,

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then you have no right to own a gun.

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But, you know.

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I mean, it's like really

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you have this guy who is
it was pretty obviously a do gun owner.

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This was your chance to, you know, shine.

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Yeah.

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And then it basically went,
you know, to poop after that, you know,

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well, any man who doesn't know
what that is, you know, must be a moron.

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And, you know, and so I thought, right,
I have no words for this.

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Why are people why is the default mode

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to be an aggressive jerk?

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Yep. Yep.

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And you made a good point that
I really wanted to make out of the gate.

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And I failed to is this is kind of
directed at, well, really two people.

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First and foremost, though,
it's at the newer shooters who are going

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to the internet to try to find things,
and they immediately get flamed alive.

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And as you pointed out, Roy, I'm
sure a lot of them go, are you kidding me?

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Really I don't yeah.

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And then they then. They sell their gun.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They say, well I, I want to hang around
with these guys. Yes.

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Yeah. Exactly.

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And I will tell you
and I'm not going to say what it is

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because
I don't want to get the angry emails.

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But I was actually having a conversation
the other day with somebody and he asked,

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are you this? Have you done this?

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And it's not shooting related, but
it is something that we all kind of know,

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something about.

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And I said no,
because every time I've been on a forum,

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I've never gone to get my license,
shall we say, because every forum

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I've ever been on, I said, those guys are
the most crotchety, hateful.

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Snarky, sarcastic,

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rude bunch of people
I've ever been around.

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And I said, if that is how that particular

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hobby is run,
I don't want to be part of it.

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And he's like,
oh, wow. Well, yeah, you're kind of right.

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And I said, well,
you know that right there.

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There's there's another hobby
that I might get involved with

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and I'm completely turned off because it
in those forums, it tends to start with,

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well, you know, I know all this and you're
just an idiot for asking that question.

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And it just kills me
when I see that in In the Gun world.

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And it's it, it's
it's elitist snob syndrome.

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Yeah.

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And what I have found is that the people

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who usually know the most
and who have the most experience

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are usually the most modest

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and helpful kind people.

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Yeah, it's it's the ones who don't

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and are usually
they turn into these aggressive asses.

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Yeah.

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And I mean,
I think if you it's that whole thing about

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beware the old guy with green,
his mustache, his shooting revolver.

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You know what?

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I absolutely promise you
that if you walk up to that guy

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on the shooting range and say, hey,
would you tell me about your revolver?

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He would say, sure.

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Would you like to shoot it? Here. Let me.

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Right.

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He's not going to say, well, you're
an idiot if you don't know what this is.

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Yeah, yeah, you know, it.

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It astounds me because, well,

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first of all,
why would you be that way to strangers?

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It's.

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Imagine if you were on the street.
It's like.

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Hi. Pleasure to meet you, Bill.

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Well, you're stupid, you're an idiot.

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And I can't believe you're even here.
And it's like, what's.

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It's the. It's the bad guy.

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No, it's the anonymity.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's like I've used the analogy
that if somebody comes to your front door,

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you open the door, you punch them
in the mouth, then you close the door.

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Yeah, right.

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That's what I mean by the internet.

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On the rare times
that I've ever posted on a.

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Forum.

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I, I log in with my real name.

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I, I say exactly what it is,
my experience.

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Is it all verifiable?

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You just have to Google my name, right?
Yeah.

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I'm not hiding behind anything.

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This is my opinion.

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This is why it's my opinion.

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And if you want to talk to me about it,
this is how you find me, you know?

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But yet then somebody you know,
big John 44,

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you know, we'll say, well,
you know, you're just an idiot.

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And all you gun writers are scabs
and Perino and it's like, well,

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so who are you? And what did you know?

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Well, didn't.

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You just tell somebody that?

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Well, you know, okay, you're right.

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Based on my 60 years of shooting
and having shot everything everywhere.

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Well, you know,

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I, I'm sure your experience is far
greater than that, so I'll listen to you.

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I know, but you can't get to him.

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It really doesn't matter.

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I mean, if if

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I was on a forum not too long ago,
I had a car question about my Ranchero.

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And I got
and and they were actually really nice.

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It was a nice forum
branch collectors or something like that.

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And, and I had a question about,

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the brake system
that was a little bit complicated for me.

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And so this guy came on
and I did a couple things.

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Number one, you look at their post, you
know, and he's got like 8000 posts, right?

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So I found they're either idiots
and all they do is post or they

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actually really know what they're doing
and they're there to help people. Right.

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And this guy was one of those.

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And he said, you know, dear Mr..

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He'll welcome to our forum
as a retired Ford mechanic.

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Oh wow. Oh, you know how.

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I worked on your car when it was new?

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Yeah.

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And this is what you need to go.

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Here's a good link.

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You should go to buy these parts, Ford.

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And if you have any questions,
private message me.

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And it's like angels were singing
in the background, you know, and then.

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And it was like the next guy posted,
he says, hey, Roy, welcome on the farm.

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You should listen to Bill.
He's helped all of us before.

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He really knows what he's doing.

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You know?

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And I mean, that's what it should be like.

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Exactly.

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Well, and another thing that

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we got fired up on and this
this is a personal pet peeve.

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It's like fingernails on a chalkboard
is when the argument starts, then

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a guy will say something to the effect of,

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well, I don't own that gun,
or I've never shot that gun, right?

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But yet, why don't you just

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give me your opinion on something
you've never even handled?

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Yeah, why?

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I read on.

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A forum somewhere that somebody said that
that was a bad gun.

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Because his brother in law
said that he knew a guy who had one.

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Yeah.

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You know that. Yeah.

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That is not adding to the conversation.

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And frankly, your opinion,
you're pulling it out of your butt.

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Well,
you know, there's an old saying in it,

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I have to paraphrase it, but
it's something about choose your friends

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wisely,
because the people who who build you up,

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you know, are that supportive
and that's good for you.

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But then there are the ones
who take you down, and that's negative.

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And I think that too many of these forums
are involved like that.

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You know, somebody like you
say, who's new to shooting,

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they can on a forum,
hey, I'm new to shooting.

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You know, what holster should I buy?

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And then if the first post is, well,
if you don't even know what holster

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you should buy,
well then why do you own a gun?

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Well, and you're right,
it's like click off.

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You know, and I don't know what the.

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Satisfaction is for being negative
like that.

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I get a lot of satisfaction
from helping somebody like that.

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Yeah. You know, and I know you do, too.

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That's part of the fun
of being an editor of the magazine.

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And what that is,

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that people have questions
and we draw up on our experience,

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and we try to steer them
in the right directions.

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And they they invariably appreciate
it, though.

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Yeah.

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I will say
a little personal kind of anecdote here.

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Now that the print version of gun's
magazine is gone

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and I don't have that daily responsibility
anymore,

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you know, I'm still writing and I'm still
writing for guns magazine.com.

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We're doing the podcast and all that,
but I

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my day is not as nearly as full
as it used to be. So.

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So I'm trying to figure my next act,
and I had some good advice

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from somebody that said, the
best thing you can do is mentor people.

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I think it's it's
it is a certainly generates a,

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a positive effect usually on
because there's a reason

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why you're a teacher or a mentor or,
you know, someone who volunteers

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at the local food bank or something
because you like to reach out like that.

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I've always found, though,

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I know

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most of the top gunsmiths
in our industry, right.

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And what I've seen countless
times over the years

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is that a new gunsmith
will come under the stage,

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and they've got an attitude,

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and they're flashy, you know,
and they're opinionated

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and they, they'll often get a fanboy group
following them.

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Right? Yeah.

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But then they're the other guys
that have been around for a long time.

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And if you if you were to meet them
and talk to them,

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you wouldn't even really know what it was
they were doing, you know?

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Hey, what do you do?

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You know, I'm a gunsmith.
I build guns sometimes. Really?

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What kind?

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Oh, you know, just interesting
old Smith and Wesson revolvers, you know?

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I mean, they would never say
I build the best

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revolvers ever built by humankind.

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Yeah.

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You know,

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And those are the guys, though,
who always do the best job and who always.

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I mean, if I call Hamilton Bolt and say,
Hamilton, I'm doing this gun thing

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and I have a question, he doesn't say,

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well,
you know, if you had any sense at all,

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you would even do what you're doing,
right?

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Yeah.

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Hamilton says, boy, you know,
I hear you and I struggle with that, too.

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You know, here's what I do. Yeah.

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And, you know,
I think you hit on another point there

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that folks that take that attitude
don't last very long.

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If you want to have a long career
as a gun writer, a gun Smith, whatever.

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Any or anything.

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You don't come in and immediately
start tearing folks down and acting,

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you know, the old fake it til you make

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it is fine to a point
until you start tearing others down.

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Because generally what happens, invariably

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what happens is 15 years later,

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people going, hey, do you remember that
Roy Huntington guy now?

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Man, he was he was all over
and would flash in the pan,

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and I can make a whole list of gun riders
that were that way.

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And their YouTube personalities really?

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One manager at the top the next minute,
nobody knows who you are.

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Gunsmiths, you know, even even brands.

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Same kind of thing.

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So, slow and steady wins the race and slow
and steady and being a decent person, a

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decent human being, you don't have to kiss
everybody on the lips.

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But you at least

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have to be a decent person
until somebody gives you reason not to be.

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Well and then just distance yourself
from them.

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You know, I'm I don't follow sports,
and I know that's heretical, but I don't.

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It just doesn't interest me at all.

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And but what I have noticed when you're
looking in the news or something,

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is there.

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There's always some new hire
football player.

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His first or second year,
they're paying him $20 million a year.

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And what does he do?

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He beats his girlfriend,
or he gets arrested for having narcotics.

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Or he drives his new Ferrari 120 miles
an hour and smashes it and kills somebody.

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Right.

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Then there's the guy who's been playing
baseball for 22 years.

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And he,

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he's a spokesperson for a hospital
that treats children's cancer.

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Yeah, right.

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And he doesn't take any money,
you know, or,

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you know, they mentor
a little league teams in there.

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You know, I mean, they're just,
like, decent fellows.

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Yeah.

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And they have a long, successful career.

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And their fans
really appreciate what they do.

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But these other flash in the pan guys,
you know, it's like, yeah,

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you think you're pretty hot
but you're not going to be hot tomorrow.

328
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Yeah.

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You know I and I'm going to say something
else.

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It's really funny if and you will know
exactly what I'm talking about

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is that people die in our industry
right there.

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Everybody dies everywhere.

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And to me, there's a real touchstone
that happens afterwards when people die.

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You're going. Yeah, when people die.

335
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And of course,
you know your friends hate you here.

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Bill died or something like that.

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Well.

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It's always two ways, right?

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You open up the email and it's like, hey,
did you hear Bill died?

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Good riddance, you jerk.

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Right? Yeah.

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Or else.

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Hey, did you hear Bill died?

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Gosh, he was always so darn nice.

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And he mentored me through this.

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And he gave me an opportunity
when I was first opening my business.

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And if it wasn't for him,
I wouldn't be here.

348
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You know,
the industry is less for him being gone.

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Yeah. And so,

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I mean, I know which one I want to be,
you know,

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but I think there's a lot of people
who that there's just a, I don't know

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what like a separation in their brain
and they just don't see that difference.

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You know,
they're they're narcissistic ego.

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I don't know.

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They think, you know, when you

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when you demean someone else, it's
supposed to make you elevate you.

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Right?

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But unfortunately,
it's exactly the opposite.

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So yeah.

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And I'm just going to make the point that,

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I think we talked about it
here, a long time ago.

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I had a conversation.

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Well, yeah, this guy said this and this.

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I said, did he say anything positive?

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Well not really.

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Well, there
you go. It's easy to tear down.

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It's it's harder
to point out the good and the bad.

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Well, you know, I

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noticed with the forums they

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if you see an immediate personal attack,

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you know, where you're an idiot
and you shouldn't even own that gun.

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Well, that's because they probably don't
have a lot to say.

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Yeah.

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You know, I mean, they've got opinions
and they have what they think

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people are going to like them to say
and all that, but they don't have

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really well-founded personal opinions,
you know, everyone.

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So on our YouTube videos,
which is a lot like forums

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because there's comments,
you know, you engage and they post things.

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You know, a lot of times you'll say,
I had one the other day, a guy said,

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well, yeah, as a matter of fact,
it was about the podcast.

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And they said, well,
I just wasted ten minutes of my time here.

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You guys obviously
don't know what you're talking about.

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You're just a couple of thuds,

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and if you knew what you were
talking about, you would have said that

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this about this guy
and this and this and this by right.

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I said, okay,
so I'm a little bit curious, right?

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So I try to answer them, I'm
sorry to see you go.

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You know, I mean, we were talking

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based on our 80 years of experience
in doing what we do.

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And so we may not know much
about what we're talking about.

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But I saw I clicked on this guy's, YouTube
handle.

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Right? Yeah.

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Of course, they never have
their real name, you know, and

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and he had like two videos
and it was about

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weird things you do with eggs.

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And it was like how to make a black egg
when you're cooking or something

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like that. Right. And you know. Yeah.

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And so I had.

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I did I couldn't help but I posted,
I said, I said, you know,

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I noticed on your,
your YouTube channel you have egg videos.

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But if you're a topic expert

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on what we were talking about on the show,
maybe you should make some videos

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and show us what it is
we were doing wrong.

404
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Yeah, I'm sure other people would like to
see your opinion and see your expertise.

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So, yeah, you know, just saying.

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And then I sign my name. Right? Yeah.

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It it's interesting because I almost
never hear back from those people.

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Yeah.

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And sometimes when I hear back,

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they surprise me
because they say, Dear Mr.

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Harrington, sorry,
I was kind of a jerk on that.

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I didn't really I didn't realize
that you would actually read my comment,

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and that you would take the time
to respond.

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I got caught.

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Yeah, I got caught, you know.

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And especially when you go there, they're,
you know,

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they tell you all about all your mistakes
and tactics and all that.

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And you go to their website
and they've got like, you know, Japanese

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kitty cat videos on their website.

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You know.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's like.

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Really, you know,
I was talking to someone who is is

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very well known
in the industry who has since retired.

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He was a custom gunsmith,

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and he started one of the very first gun,
a knife forums.

427
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I, I don't know, 25 years ago maybe. Yeah.

428
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You know, a long time ago and,
and it was very popular then.

429
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It was kind of high end, you know,
so it was

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these are people who really like custom
19 levels and custom guns in general,

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or a lot of custom knife people,
you know, and

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and I remember when it started, it was
it was really nice, you know, it was like

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these people
were really sharing their experiences,

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sharing
what they liked about these new designs,

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you know, sharing pictures of their custom
guns they had had made.

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And it was like,
gosh, this was a lot of fun.

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But I know

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4 or 5 years later the forum was down.

439
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And so I contacted him.

440
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I said, hey, you know, it seemed like
that was a pretty nice forum.

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What was what was that?

442
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:36,400
And he was they said, you know,
he said it was initially nice.

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He said, but it got to the point
that all I did was have to police it

444
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to make sure the idiots didn't post,
you know, as hopelessness.

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Comments.

446
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,480
Yeah,
but he said they single handedly destroyed

447
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what you know, we had going here,
which was a really nice, positive

448
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,600
kind of a forum. Yeah.

449
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And I thought, you know what, that
I and I have no idea why this is.

450
00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:04,080
I have no idea why someone goes, here's
this new poster.

451
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,160
Hey, I just bought a gun.

452
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And I'm curious
to know about concealed carry ammunition.

453
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My friend told me I should use this, and
another friend told me I should use that.

454
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Would anyone here
please give me some advice?

455
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Okay. No.

456
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Well, that's a magical moment now, right?

457
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Yeah. This.

458
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You have every opportunity
to respond this person in a way that's

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helpful and supportive and,
you know, positive and educational and I,

460
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I just do not know why

461
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people insist on
just simply firing a broadside.

462
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You know, I, I the only thing I can
think of is it's the old.

463
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They don't have a lot of self.

464
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What self-confidence, self.

465
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Self-Esteem. Esteem. Yeah.

466
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So they think that by by demeaning
these other people that it makes them

467
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bigger, better, stronger, you know, when
in actuality it's exactly the opposite.

468
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I was going to say I was going to address
that very point, that here's the secret.

469
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I don't care if you're 20 or you're 80,
if that's how you deal with people

470
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on internet forums, it doesn't make you
look better, stronger, smarter, faster.

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It makes you look like an idiot.

472
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And the entire 99.99% of the world
is going, that guy's an idiot.

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So the only person.

474
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,720
Yeah, the only person you're fooling
is yourself.

475
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,360
It's it's so true. You know, I.

476
00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:28,400
I happen to I'm not a rabid fan,

477
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:33,000
but I've been known to fly a
an electric, radio controlled airplane.

478
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,800
You know, I've got 1 or 2.

479
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:39,080
A big old tundra,
you know, a high wing plane.

480
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:42,840
And, so I fly it every once
a while, and it's always enjoyable.

481
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,160
So sometimes I. Will.

482
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,200
Be looking

483
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,200
at products or something
and they'll you'll do a search, right?

484
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,680
You know, hey, what about this?

485
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,240
And you will land on a forum,
you know, when you click on a link

486
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,920
and I will say this with the RC forums,

487
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,000
they they almost always are
what a forum should be.

488
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,800
In other words, there's
there's always an influx of new people.

489
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,160
Hey, new to RC.

490
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,160
Just bought this, you know, $100 kit.

491
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,040
You know,
can you give me any tips or tricks?

492
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,320
What batteries should I buy?

493
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,120
And I mean, invariably
the people are helpful.

494
00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:19,560
Hey, welcome to RC
fly. You're going to love that.

495
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,120
That's a great first kit.

496
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:23,280
You know, here are things you should do.

497
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:24,920
And then somebody else wades in.

498
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,160
I just bought one of those for my son.

499
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,200
He's really liked it.

500
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,800
Here's a good link for buying spare parts.

501
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,480
You know, I mean, it's it's
they don't start out with.

502
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:34,200
Well, you're an idiot

503
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,160
because you bought the cheapest airplane
possible, you know, get off our forum.

504
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,280
You're not worthy.

505
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,280
My airplanes cost $1,000.

506
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,120
Why should I, you know, even talk to you?

507
00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:45,840
They will do that, you know?

508
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,480
I mean. I will say this, though.

509
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,240
I have a drone that I fly sometimes.

510
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,360
Take pictures and things like that.

511
00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:54,360
Not all the drone forums are the same way.

512
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,800
Right? Sometimes they tend to be a little.

513
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:58,440
You know.

514
00:24:59,440 --> 00:24:59,920
I mean, they're

515
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:03,000
like, you know, well,
I was stupid that you bought that drone.

516
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,800
You obviously don't even.
It's like, really?

517
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,240
And I've noticed something and this is a

518
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,280
I wouldn't say this is an absolute
because I've seen folks that this

519
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:18,400
does not apply to, but generally
in forums, when a guy says Bill Smith,

520
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,640
you know, first of all, or,
you know, super drone guy 15

521
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,840
and they have 60 different,

522
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,000
pieces of kit,
I've got this drone and just understand

523
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,000
these propellers and these, it's
like the more they put there, generally.

524
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:37,680
The. Shorter they are with people
asking beginner questions.

525
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,360
And it's like very often.

526
00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:40,240
Yeah I agree.

527
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,000
Yeah yeah, yeah.

528
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,160
Well this I got. To be that guy.

529
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,160
On a gun forum.

530
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,480
You know if a guy is you know, 1911 killed
dude is his hand.

531
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,800
And then you look down a lot of times
and down there they'll say

532
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,440
four less autos, seven
nighthawk customs from.

533
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:56,680
Yeah.

534
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,080
He's he's like, you know,

535
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,560
he's building up his testosterone level
to those around him.

536
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,400
And then but then the guy who doesn't
he doesn't doesn't have anything.

537
00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:07,280
And then you find out that.

538
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,920
Well,
no, actually, he's a retired, you know.

539
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,560
1911 master

540
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,640
gunsmith, you know, and he just quietly.

541
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:17,560
Yeah.

542
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,960
Can you imagine if and and we
I would say we're middle ground

543
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,480
in terms of numbers and, and gear

544
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,040
and all that stuff, because we both know
guys are got way more than we do.

545
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,880
But we do have a considerable number.

546
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,920
Can you imagine if we listed all that
on our our handle on these fly, or.

547
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,080
Else it.

548
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,440
Will be embarrassing as what it. Would be.

549
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:39,960
He'll be like, yeah. What?

550
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,920
You know, because these people I will say
when these people who, you know, a

551
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,200
lot of times I was on I was telling you
about earlier, I was on a farm yesterday

552
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,240
in response to a request,
what I please come on and and comment

553
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,280
and, and I

554
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,120
commented and, and it was like immediately
they were just, well, you're an idiot,

555
00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:01,000
you don't know this and blah blah blah,
you know, five, six, seven, eight, nine.

556
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,160
Yeah. And,

557
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,680
finally somebody sent me a private message
that said, you know, dear Mr.

558
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,560
Harrington, nice to have you on the forum.

559
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,240
I've read about you for years.

560
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,480
You know,
I've always respected your articles,

561
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,480
and I like the podcast
that you and Brant do.

562
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,400
Sorry, but we have a lot of assholes
on this forum,

563
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,920
and it's a shame that one of them
or that they took it out on you.

564
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,080
And so I thank you, miss,
I appreciate that.

565
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,840
It's certainly
been my experience on for us.

566
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,360
But something struck me, though,
is that he felt it necessary to do that

567
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,280
personal as a private message

568
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,200
as opposed to just posting it, you know,
sorry

569
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,720
there's so many idiots on this forum
because I would post it

570
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,600
on, you know, it's like, yeah, hey,
why are you guys acting the fool?

571
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,120
We should be making this guy feel welcome.

572
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:51,720
Years and years ago,
it was when Smith and Wesson,

573
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,680
reintroduced
the classic series of revolvers.

574
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,720
It was in the really early 2000, and
it was Clint Smith and I and Mike French.

575
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,600
Reno did like a one year certified effort

576
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:10,960
at Smith and Wesson to get them
to reintroduce the classical guns.

577
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,000
Tony Mealy was in charge

578
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,120
of the, Performance Center,
and he was the one who would, like,

579
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,600
be able to open the door
because they came out initially

580
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,160
as performance Center guns.

581
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,320
And the president was Roy Cooney.

582
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,400
And and I got along great with it.

583
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,920
You know, like I told him, I said, hey,
I have a really good first name, you know.

584
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,920
So, and,

585
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,920
and so we were at the show one time and,

586
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:40,120
and, Roy Cooney
was there and Tony Mealey and Clint

587
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,160
and Mike and Tony said, yeah,
I'm not having any luck, man.

588
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,720
They're just not going for it.

589
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,720
And I said, well, let's go talk to Roy.

590
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:48,640
He's right there.

591
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,000
And Tony was like, oh, okay.

592
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,960
We went over and I said, Roy,
you need to bring back these guns

593
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,160
because people would buy them, right?

594
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,640
You know, we'll put them on the cover
of our magazines.

595
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,400
And, and he looked at Tony
a certain is that true?

596
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,480
And he said, well, yeah.

597
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,120
And so he said, okay, let's do it.

598
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,440
And he turned around. He walked away.

599
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,680
Roy looked at me and he said,
do you realize what just happened?

600
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,200
And I said, yeah,

601
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,520
so but my point is
I wanted to build the behind

602
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,960
is that we put
I think the first thing was,

603
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,560
a Thunder Ranch special.

604
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,760
That's
how we kind of got a foot in the door.

605
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,400
So it was a N. Frame.

606
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,520
44 special fixed sight,
forged pencil barrel.

607
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,520
It was like a really cool gun. Right.

608
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,120
So it was first of the old school
revolvers back.

609
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,320
We put it on the cover.

610
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:41,400
Huge hit.

611
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,320
Everybody loved it, you know.

612
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,320
Oh my God. Plainly thank you. Right.

613
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,840
And I got a note from a
like a one of the moderators or something

614
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,640
on the Smith Wesson forum and he said,
hey, this is really lit up the forum.

615
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,200
I was wondering

616
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,120
if you'd be kind enough to come over and
and sort of tell the backstory.

617
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,040
And I said, sure.

618
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,040
I didn't have a lot of experience
with forums at the time.

619
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:05,280
Yeah.

620
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,000
So I logged in, identified myself
where I find to enter American Handgun

621
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:14,040
or Magazine, and I will say that like I o
and I asked, Clint

622
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,800
and I asked Mike venture Reno
and John Tavern, would they please log in?

623
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:19,840
Right.

624
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,520
So yeah. So there you go.

625
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,120
There I was, there was John Taff
and making suppose

626
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,160
there was Mike Venture Reno making
there was Clint Smith making some posts.

627
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:27,680
Right.

628
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,480
And these guys didn't
get that every day you know.

629
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,320
Yeah. So

630
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,280
initially it was going pretty good.

631
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,200
You know, and then.

632
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,320
And then it just went.

633
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,640
To crap.

634
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,640
I mean, then it was just like, well,
all you guys are

635
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,760
just, you know, all your shills
for the gun industry.

636
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,880
And the only reason you put that on
the cover was

637
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,400
because you probably got a free win,
which I didn't.

638
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,840
Yeah.

639
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,440
You know, you guys, John.

640
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,800
Just doesn't know what he's talking about.
Yeah.

641
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,720
John Taffer doesn't know anything
about big boar, Smith and Wesson handguns,

642
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:02,960
you know, and.

643
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,880
I mean, it was just it was. Unbelievable.

644
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,480
How how it.

645
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,480
It twisted like that, you know.

646
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,480
Now. No, to be fair,
there were some people who said,

647
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,920
my gosh, I'm just thank you.
We're so honored.

648
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,480
We have I mean, hey, guys.

649
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,600
Look, Mike Venture

650
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,200
Reno is posting here, talking to us
about how this happened behind the scenes.

651
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,640
You know, you know, Royal,
I've ridden handgun for years.

652
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,360
Thank you for coming on Clint Smith.
Oh my gosh.

653
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:28,840
You know.

654
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,720
Yeah. John Taff in a row
a lot of people are really happy.

655
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,840
And we were really flattered and thrilled.

656
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,600
You know, we thought this is fun.

657
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:36,600
It's nice to be able to go

658
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,600
one on one with these people
who've been reading the magazines.

659
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,720
But a boy, after
about six pages, it was like,

660
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:45,600
Yeah.

661
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,600
And then I got emails from John and Clint
and and Duke

662
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,640
just and they all basically said, well,
that went so fast.

663
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:55,960
I don't know.

664
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,400
Well, you know, it's great when you
and they never but they never went back.

665
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:00,600
You know.

666
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,120
I never went back,
you know. So yeah. So Mr.

667
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,160
Troll on the forum did that serve you.

668
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,160
Well, you ran these guys off.

669
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:09,520
You know, I don't care.

670
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,520
Which is a shame because like I said,
you know, generally

671
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,480
like I said, the Smith and Wesson
forum, the Kolbe forums, the,

672
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,480
you know, Browning high power forms,
they're usually pretty nice.

673
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,960
And those first few page posts, I was
thinking, wow, okay, this is pretty cool.

674
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,040
This is a new one.

675
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:25,480
Yeah.

676
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,400
And even then the the moderators gears,

677
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,640
a couple of moderators
waded in and said, hey, gentlemen,

678
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,600
could we be a little bit more respectful
here?

679
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,120
These guys are taking the time to come to,
you know, and it was like, right.

680
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,560
Kind of after that, you know,
but still I mean, I don't know, this is

681
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,720
I think the point is
we want to talk about forums.

682
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,000
We both had terrible experiences
on forums.

683
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:46,760
I think

684
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,880
many people don't go to forums
because of that.

685
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,520
I see a lot of fanboys go to forums
because they all get together,

686
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,320
you know, typing on their computers
in their mothers basements.

687
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,040
And, you know,
they all argue about tactics, right?

688
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,160
Are they all argue why the new fill
in the blank gun isn't any good,

689
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,280
although none of them have ever actually
seen one or shot it, you know. And.

690
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,360
So I don't know if it's
a mutual admiration society or what.

691
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:19,000
You know, for me, it should be more
of a kind of fellowship thing, you know?

692
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,480
Hey, I really like single shot
rifles, actually.

693
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:22,640
That's a good forum.

694
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,200
I've been on a couple of single shot
rifle forums.

695
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:26,520
They're always respectful.

696
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:27,720
They're always interested.

697
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,360
They always are helpful there, you know?

698
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,880
And it's fun, you know.

699
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,360
And so to me it should be fun. So

700
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,120
I don't
know there's anything we can do about it.

701
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,280
I just got to say this is probably
the easiest episode we've ever done.

702
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,280
To sum up, don't be a jerk, you know?

703
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,120
But I've realized this.

704
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,360
This kind of applies to life in general,
but it applies here.

705
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,920
We don't have any, shame anymore,
and we don't have any respect.

706
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,160
You know,
we're not respectful of each other.

707
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,720
Driving any place you drive in the country
used to be.

708
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,720
There was a few cities known
for having awful drivers.

709
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,800
It's everywhere
across the entire world now.

710
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,320
And shame.

711
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,080
Nobody's embarrassed of doing stupid,
awful things anymore.

712
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:13,920
You should too.

713
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,400
If you did something dumb, for
the most part, you'd be embarrassed by it.

714
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,640
And now a lot of that stuff's
even held up is.

715
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,960
See, I'm assertive now.

716
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,760
You're still a jackass to the rest.

717
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,760
Of us, so don't be that guy.

718
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,160
Our freedom will be in in sharp
focus here, because I.

719
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:32,960
I saw this thing not too long ago.

720
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,160
I was about traveling.

721
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,200
I mean, when I first

722
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,840
started to travel in the late 60s,
I was young, 14, 15 years old.

723
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,280
Well,
I mean, you you dress nicely right now.

724
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,960
I mean, I remember in 63,
when my parents flew

725
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,680
across the world to Australia, to
my dad was stationed at the embassy there.

726
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,480
I mean, I actually wore this, like,
little boy sport coat with a tie.

727
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,680
You know, my mom was dressed in a long
sleeved nice dress with white gloves,

728
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,600
you know. And a hat.

729
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,400
And everyone was was very polite
and very well-behaved.

730
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,360
And there were no screaming
children running up and down the aisles.

731
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,200
That would have been unthinkable,
you know? Yeah. Because.

732
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,320
Because one of the stewardesses

733
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,320
would have grabbed him by his ear
and marched him back to his mom.

734
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:17,760
Yeah. You know. Yep.

735
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,600
And and then
and they were talking about how the,

736
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,000
the average airport crowd,
if you look at today, what is it.

737
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,280
They're in their jammies.

738
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,720
They got their would be blankets.

739
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:31,080
You know, they're all got their head
buried in the phone.

740
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:36,040
Just there's nobody has any personal,
you know, care or attention or pride,

741
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,400
I think. And of course, like you said,
if you talk to them, they say,

742
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,680
oh, what's it matter?

743
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:40,200
You know.

744
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,400
Well it's.

745
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,720
Self respect, you know, and,

746
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,720
and the forums,
if you're one of those people who do that,

747
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,760
well then I'm,
you're not showing your self

748
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,320
respect more then you're not showing
the other guy respect I think you know.

749
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,240
So yeah. But and you know everyone's.

750
00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:01,440
Well I get this much enthusiastic wait,

751
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,920
wait that much enthusiastic.

752
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,120
About starting right.

753
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:07,960
Yeah.

754
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,440
About starting a forum
because I think, well, you know what?

755
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,680
We'll have something different.

756
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,800
But I don't know how to manage it,
because how do you vet people?

757
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,040
How do you.

758
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,960
You know, and you have to monitor everyone
constantly, you know, it's.

759
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,960
Been tried and it's failed. Badly.

760
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:28,720
Yeah.

761
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:28,960
You know.

762
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,960
The only thing I will say is,

763
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,040
I think revolver Wkyc.com.

764
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,160
Is that it? Revolver guy?

765
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:36,400
Yeah.

766
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,200
Mike wood, world revolver guy, dot com.

767
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,120
I'm pretty sure that's it.

768
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,040
It's good website and his

769
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,840
his comments at the end of articles
are it's essentially a forum right.

770
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:50,240
Yeah.

771
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:51,600
But he does two things.

772
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:56,400
Number one, when you post a comment,
he vets it

773
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,320
before it gets live.

774
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:00,800
Right.

775
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,800
And I think that has that means a lot.

776
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:04,440
Yeah.

777
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,000
You know because that way it's like.

778
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,440
Causes my comfort.

779
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,120
Well and that's
the thing is like I don't know how I mean

780
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:15,480
when I post something
because I sometimes will go on as a favor,

781
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,640
like he'll do some article
about something I know about

782
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,000
and I'll go on and I'll say, gee, Mike,
it was nice to see that great information.

783
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,120
And but mine don't go

784
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,960
live for at least a day or so
because he vets even mind that small.

785
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,520
Yeah, right.

786
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,200
But I will say, though
that it's it's really nice to read a

787
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:34,520
you read an article and not.

788
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,000
I really enjoy reading the comments
because it's always people who say things,

789
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,000
you know, like, yeah, I had one of those
revolvers and this was my experience.

790
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,800
And, and another guy will wade it and say,
my father carried

791
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,440
one of those as a police officer,
and this is what we found.

792
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,960
And or, you know,
I mean, it's like, yeah, this is fun.

793
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,520
But gosh, if we had a forum, but we would
it would be full time.

794
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:59,280
Just answering the comments in the YouTube
video is almost a full time job for me.

795
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,960
It is. Oh, and I will, I will, you will.

796
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,520
I will say
I have discovered the delete button.

797
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,000
And I'll tell you,

798
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,520
if somebody just wades in
and they do periodically.

799
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,600
Well, this is stupid.
Nobody knows anything.

800
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:18,360
What they're talking about.

801
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,560
Anyone who watches this is an idiot.

802
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,840
And you're going to die in hell, right?

803
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,600
I used to try to go, gee, I'm
sorry you hear it

804
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,600
that way or I'm sorry, you know,
and now I just go.

805
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:31,360
Delete by,

806
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:32,600
Yeah.

807
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:33,240
When I do that,

808
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:37,200
I pretend that they're physically
being thrown into a garbage dumpster

809
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,440
and they're screaming the whole way down,
and it makes me feel good.

810
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,920
So. And that's. Very funny.

811
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,800
We've gone way too long on this,
but I was gonna see it.

812
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,080
It inspired
a lot of enthusiasm on our part.

813
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,000
But I got to say this too, and this sounds
this a little self-serving,

814
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,320
but I'm going to say it when you write
that stuff in the comments or the emails.

815
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,960
We long ago learned to have
very thick skin as gun writers.

816
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,240
So you're not harming us at all.

817
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:07,200
You're just not.

818
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,400
Don't waste your time though,
because we had delete or we just go,

819
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,200
if you're really awful, occasionally
we'll send them to you

820
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,200
to see what this jackass said.

821
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,080
This is. Great. Oh, yeah.
You believe. Him?

822
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,640
We do share that. Yeah. And you know what?

823
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:21,760
I'll be honest with you, too.

824
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,440
If you posted. And this is your real name,

825
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:25,960
which there

826
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,960
are some people who do that, you know,
I've had people with.

827
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:29,240
And you,

828
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:33,240
because you click on their channel, it's
like, oh, it's there's an actual guy. And,

829
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:37,680
you know, here's his contact information
and he does a lot of gun videos.

830
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,880
And so maybe he's
taken me to task for something,

831
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,760
but they do it in a positive way.

832
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:43,480
You know, dear Mr.

833
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,960
Hannity, I saw your review of this.

834
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:46,600
I had one.

835
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,520
My experiences are different.
Here's what I be.

836
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,880
That's great. What's for?

837
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,320
And he's not afraid to post
with his real name, you know,

838
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,800
but yeah, people are doing these open up
the door, punch you, and close the door

839
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,920
so you never know who it is
they're hiding behind.

840
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:05,720
You know, the anonymity.

841
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:08,280
It's like, sorry. You're just afraid. Cat.

842
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:10,600
It is.

843
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,440
And I'll close real quick with a story
I told you right before we start

844
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,000
recording.

845
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,840
I've got, you know, I'm a freelancer,
so I've got part time jobs.

846
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,920
I'm doing some work
for a government agency,

847
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,760
and we posted a positive,

848
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,120
PR piece the other day.

849
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,120
And one of the first comments
on social media was,

850
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:30,120
politicians are corrupt and you suck.

851
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,320
And you wrote awful.

852
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,440
And I thought, wow, okay,
I wonder who this person is.

853
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:35,320
I clicked on them.

854
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,280
They don't even
they don't even live in our state.

855
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,120
That's like,
what dog do you have in this fight?

856
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,080
That you're so hateful
that you had to go to the trouble

857
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,400
to find the post we made, and then you
you spent the time to comment on it.

858
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,600
I thought, man,
that is a sad human being, so.

859
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,400
Or mentally ill
and it may go together, who knows?

860
00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,240
But just don't be that guy or that gal
and you know they're still out there.

861
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:03,360
But, for the most part,
I think I really do

862
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,240
think most of the people that do
that are under the influence of anonymity

863
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,800
and they're, they're, behaving to their
dark side instead of their light side.

864
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,320
There's a few people that are just flat
jerks always going to be jerks,

865
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,280
and they're going to be the one that
will have three people at their funeral.

866
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,720
And two of those
are probably paid to be there.

867
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:24,400
But I think the vast majority of them
and like you said, right.

868
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:25,640
I get comments cause I'm,

869
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,960
I'm sorry I said that I was I was just
being this or I was having a bad day.

870
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,320
I completely respect that.

871
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,000
But, don't be that guy.

872
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,880
And if you do own it. Yeah.

873
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,880
So it's all it's it's the.

874
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,120
Yeah, it's the ready fire aim syndrome.

875
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:43,720
You know, they do.

876
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:47,440
They just fire something off and
then they do or do not apologize later.

877
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,880
So I think to me
and I'll wind my end of this up,

878
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,520
is that if you're one of those people
in your real life or on a forum

879
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,200
or wherever to where you're just the king
of the grumpy forest no matter what,

880
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,200
I think that it's it's

881
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,200
a real self-image issue there.

882
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,240
I have you ever met somebody
who is a very calm and very peaceful?

883
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:11,640
And do you mean.

884
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,640
Like Roy Huntington, the Missouri Buddha?

885
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,560
But they they don't seem to really get
wound up about things, you know?

886
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:24,120
And if somebody messes up, you know,
they may be more inclined to say,

887
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:25,120
you know what?

888
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,120
I can see you're struggling with that,
you know, can I help you?

889
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:28,760
You know. Yeah.

890
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,960
Rather than or you're a deal.

891
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,080
What?
Why are you doing that? You're an idiot.

892
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:34,800
To what? To me?

893
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,520
That only just means that you're

894
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,440
you're
you're tearing down the other people

895
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,240
because you have a lack
of self-confidence.

896
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:42,880
And so, sorry.
Are you negative forum people.

897
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,560
Yeah. We're on to. Yeah.

898
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,080
Yeah. So exactly.

899
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,360
And I was going to say and when the guys
that are always very calm

900
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,160
when they get wound up,
the rare times they do

901
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,160
you got to stand back and go, oh,
oh this is important.

902
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,760
This is a big deal.

903
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,520
So that's yeah. One. Yeah.

904
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,560
When everything's shouting
nothing's important.

905
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,000
So anyway well we,
we I'm looking down at our timer, man.

906
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:06,640
We went long.

907
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,640
This may be
one of our longest episodes in years,

908
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,880
but I am glad that we made it to 2026.

909
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,720
And hopefully
we'll have a lot more episodes.

910
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:17,440
And of course, we welcome.

911
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,840
Roy is now our official co-host and glad
that, he's still with us

912
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,160
after all these years.

913
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,360
So, make sure that you check out our
our great new sponsor, Tango Down.

914
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,240
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915
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:34,560
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916
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,720
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917
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,120
So leave us a comment or course
you can reach us

918
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,560
editor at Guns Podcast
dot U.S and check out Guns Podcast.

919
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,320
Dot us for more information.

920
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,920
And other than that, Roy here
as we start 2026,

921
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,000
any final words of wisdom
or the floor is yours.

922
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,600
Don't let it get you down,
ladies and gentlemen.

923
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,040
You know, life truly is what you make it.

924
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:06,120
Yeah.

925
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:11,800
And you know, the, the Stoics,
the old stoic guys used to

926
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:15,840
they said something, and I was struck
a chord with me as they said,

927
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,120
if you meet resistance or failure,
then make that the way.

928
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:21,680
Right.

929
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,400
And and I know it's
hard to get your head around that kind of.

930
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,440
But, I had somebody not too long ago
who called me up and he said, oh, man,

931
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,200
I got laid off from my job.

932
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,120
And I said, well, man, that's great news.

933
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,680
And he said, well, what do you mean?

934
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,680
And I said,
look at all the opportunity you have now.

935
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,920
I mean, you just you,
you've opened up so many doors

936
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,160
and yeah, like three days later
he had a better job.

937
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:46,960
You know.

938
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,480
And he just went, gosh, I didn't
even think of it like that before.

939
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,480
So anyway, good luck in 2026.

940
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,480
Be nicer if you're on a forum, please.

941
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,320
And as Brant says,
make a comment down below.

942
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,320
Tell us why
we're idiots for feeling this way.

943
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,520
And you just opened the door.

944
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:06,640
But that's fine.

945
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,400
You got that that delete button.

946
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,440
Anyway, Roy, thanks again.

947
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,320
Thanks for everything you've done
for the guns podcast, and I'm glad

948
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,520
that we're still here,
still talking about fun gun stuff,

949
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,960
and hopefully we'll be doing it
for a long, long time.

950
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:25,080
So, as I always say at the end
of every single episode on behalf of Roy

951
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,320
Huntington and Brant Weed saying,
now get out there and get shooting.