A Veteran and His Son Encounter Bigfoot in Colorado’s Rawah Wilderness | Sasquatch Near a Dead Cow

<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, and welcome back to Sasquatch Theory. On today's episode,
<v Speaker 1>we have Mike from Colorado and his encounter took place
<v Speaker 1>in the raw Wah Wilderness. Before we get into it,
<v Speaker 1>I want to say this episode comes from someone who
<v Speaker 1>knows the outdoors. Mike is a military veteran, a lifelong hunter,
<v Speaker 1>and someone who spent years in remote wilderness areas across
<v Speaker 1>the West. What he describes didn't happen all at once.
<v Speaker 1>These encounters built over time through repeated trips into the
<v Speaker 1>same area of the raw wa Wilderness in Colorado. At first,
<v Speaker 1>it was small things that didn't really make sense. Then
<v Speaker 1>it escalated into sounds, smells, physical evidence, and eventually a
<v Speaker 1>clear visual encounter that both Mike and his son witnessed together.
<v Speaker 1>This isn't a story about belief. It's about what happens
<v Speaker 1>when experienced outdoorsmen run into something that doesn't fit any
<v Speaker 1>known animal. If you enjoy listening to real life bigfoot encounters,
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<v Speaker 1>at Sasquatch Theory at outlook dot com. All right, guys,
<v Speaker 1>with all that being said, let's dive straight into Mike's
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot encounter from the state of Colorado. All right, Mike,
<v Speaker 1>welcome to Sasquatch Theory. How are you doing today.
<v Speaker 2>I'm good. How are you?
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing excellent. Thank you so much for asking, Mike
<v Speaker 1>if you would tell me a little bit about yourself,
<v Speaker 1>where you're from, and your bigfoot encounters and experiences from
<v Speaker 1>the very beginning. Please.
<v Speaker 2>Well, am I originally from Nevada. Avid Hunter, grew up
<v Speaker 2>around you know, camping Oliver, northern California, now out of Utah.
<v Speaker 2>Hunted quite a bit, and then I did thirteen years
<v Speaker 2>in the military and army. And after that I got
<v Speaker 2>out and my family and I get a really good
<v Speaker 2>job here in Denver, Colorado. So about twenty ten we
<v Speaker 2>moved over here and here we are, started going up
<v Speaker 2>in the hills, you know when we first got here,
<v Speaker 2>but really didn't know anything about this place, so just
<v Speaker 2>stayed around, you know, normal campgrounds because our son was
<v Speaker 2>young at that time. But by the time he was ten,
<v Speaker 2>we started I wanted to get out of those campgrounds.
<v Speaker 2>I don't like being around people. I'm poor. I like
<v Speaker 2>being out in the middle of nowhere. You can see
<v Speaker 2>some critters and you know, hike around and just check
<v Speaker 2>stuff out and not not listening to neighbors screaming or
<v Speaker 2>playing loud music. Right, So what you know, I was
<v Speaker 2>basically looking around on Google Maps and found a few
<v Speaker 2>places that we'd start going to to explore and scout out.
<v Speaker 2>You know, we've been starting to go out in the
<v Speaker 2>woods around twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, but really found our
<v Speaker 2>fun places to go around twenty eighteen. And that's when
<v Speaker 2>I was looking around you know, Wyoming, northern Colorado for
<v Speaker 2>places of camp and using Google Earth, and I found
<v Speaker 2>this really cool looked like a hunter's camp up up
<v Speaker 2>the north side of the raw Wah Wilderness, northern side,
<v Speaker 2>just pretty near the town of Walden and just south
<v Speaker 2>of the Wyoming border. So up in that area there
<v Speaker 2>is some forest service roads, but in the wilderness aar itself,
<v Speaker 2>it's all hiking. There's no access and there. So the
<v Speaker 2>place we found was we drove in, found a little clearing,
<v Speaker 2>the parked truck and then we could hike our gear
<v Speaker 2>and about one hundred yards to this little hunter's camp
<v Speaker 2>and it has a beautiful view of the Laramie River,
<v Speaker 2>about one hundred and eighty degree view the whole valley
<v Speaker 2>looking down toward Estes Park that way, and then toward
<v Speaker 2>the back of us it goes up, you know, worried
<v Speaker 2>about eighty five hundred feet at that camp spot. It
<v Speaker 2>goes up about one thousand or two thousand more feet
<v Speaker 2>to the top and it's heavily wooded. The place we
<v Speaker 2>found was great because you can drive in and circle out,
<v Speaker 2>but there's a huge tree right in the middle, and
<v Speaker 2>it's it's really flat, beautiful camp place. There's already a
<v Speaker 2>huge fire pit there. So we just started camping there
<v Speaker 2>and that's how come we just fell in love with
<v Speaker 2>the place. And you know, it's been what eight years
<v Speaker 2>since we started going there, and every time we go
<v Speaker 2>there something else is very interesting. And that's why I
<v Speaker 2>called it and wanted to share.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I appreciate you for sharing that with me. So
<v Speaker 1>what was the first experience that you've ever had and
<v Speaker 1>kind of guided me through that?
<v Speaker 2>Uh, you know, I've been camping all of the place,
<v Speaker 2>even over there by where the Sierra Sounds was captured
<v Speaker 2>in northern California, near Sonora. I've been all up in
<v Speaker 2>that place, and you know, I've been hunting, you know,
<v Speaker 2>in northern Nevada, a place called jaw Bridge, that the
<v Speaker 2>job edge that you know, I got got my first
<v Speaker 2>year at, and they'd say that place is packed with
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot too. So I've been, you know, hearing all this
<v Speaker 2>lure pretty much all my life, you know, growing up
<v Speaker 2>campfire stories. I think one of the first movies I
<v Speaker 2>seen too was The Lodge the Boggie Creek when I
<v Speaker 2>was a little kid. So you know, it's always been
<v Speaker 2>in the back of my mind. You just don't believe
<v Speaker 2>it until you see it. Right now, everybody they talk
<v Speaker 2>about it, and they talk about sightings, but you know,
<v Speaker 2>you really, I guess you don't know what you're looking
<v Speaker 2>at until you know you actually have an encounter or
<v Speaker 2>something like that. So the first time when I actually
<v Speaker 2>found the spot on Google Maps, my son and I
<v Speaker 2>took off up there. He's about ten or eleven, and
<v Speaker 2>we're going to stay two nights. So we went up
<v Speaker 2>set up a camp. You know, I always go into
<v Speaker 2>the woods heavily armed because I've been around predators, so
<v Speaker 2>I'm not too afraid of those guys. You just never
<v Speaker 2>know what's going to be out there, right, you know,
<v Speaker 2>you never know what circumstance you might find yourself in
<v Speaker 2>because a lot of people go in they're very naive.
<v Speaker 2>They just go in and they had these horrible experiences,
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, well, maybe if you just were a
<v Speaker 2>little bit more prepared, you could have gotten out of
<v Speaker 2>this much easier. So I mean, I make it a
<v Speaker 2>point to, you know, take first aid, kids, camping gear,
<v Speaker 2>all kinds of extra gear just in case. Right, So
<v Speaker 2>we had the spot. We are only going to stay
<v Speaker 2>there two nights. We got up there about I think
<v Speaker 2>we left Denver about seven o'clock in the morning, so
<v Speaker 2>we're up there easily by eleven. Nice and nice and
<v Speaker 2>beautiful day, no clouds. You can see all the way
<v Speaker 2>down the valley where the Laramie River is going south
<v Speaker 2>toward Rocky Mountain National Park. Just beautiful, Just a great spot.
<v Speaker 2>I had a little chain sauce, so you know, there's
<v Speaker 2>plenty of deadfall there to cut for wood because all
<v Speaker 2>the beatles eating up these horses up here. So we
<v Speaker 2>got camp all set up and I was like, hey,
<v Speaker 2>let's let's just go for a walk and check this
<v Speaker 2>place out and see if we can see any critters
<v Speaker 2>or find any tracks or you know, something cool. So
<v Speaker 2>we started walking about, you know, maybe a mile around
<v Speaker 2>the perimeter, up and down the hills and through the
<v Speaker 2>tree lines and stuff like that, just around the camp
<v Speaker 2>to get a general idea of what was going on there.
<v Speaker 2>And my son stops and goes, what's this And it
<v Speaker 2>was it was in the in the like some some weeds,
<v Speaker 2>right by the side of a trail and a game trailer,
<v Speaker 2>and so I looked at it, and I was like,
<v Speaker 2>let's get clothes. So he got a stick and pulled
<v Speaker 2>it up, and I looked like somebody left their pajama
<v Speaker 2>bottoms there. It's like, what tell's that. That's kind of
<v Speaker 2>weird right way up here, way out in the middle
<v Speaker 2>of nowhere. So I figured that, you know, the hunters
<v Speaker 2>were up there because they had a they put a
<v Speaker 2>pole in between two pine trees where they could hoist
<v Speaker 2>their their gear up there and skin it, right, So
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's kind of a hunter's camp. So we
<v Speaker 2>kept walking, just following these game trails all the way around,
<v Speaker 2>checking stuff out, checking all the birds out. You know,
<v Speaker 2>didn't see any any animals at that time. But as
<v Speaker 2>we got over the top of our camp up in
<v Speaker 2>the tree line that goes up higher elevations, my son goes, well,
<v Speaker 2>what the hell's that? I look up and there's a
<v Speaker 2>backpack throwing up in a tree about forty or fifty
<v Speaker 2>feet up in the tree and wedged in some branches.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm just sitting there staring at it, like, what
<v Speaker 2>the hell? What did that? You know, why would somebody
<v Speaker 2>just throw backpack up there? So, you know, that was
<v Speaker 2>the first time we went out there and nothing happened,
<v Speaker 2>very nice, fine evening, found a great place to camp. So,
<v Speaker 2>you know, the later in the fall, we thought we'd
<v Speaker 2>come back, and this time we brought my wife back
<v Speaker 2>up there, and you know, we came the back road
<v Speaker 2>this time we left. We left from Fort Collins and
<v Speaker 2>her leveland and came up to Restas Park checked out that,
<v Speaker 2>and then backtracked and went up to hear the report
<v Speaker 2>that way, and then cut in going the highway to Walden,
<v Speaker 2>which is I can tell you it's Highway fourteen, I think,
<v Speaker 2>And then you know, then we cut the back road
<v Speaker 2>up the Laramie River valley and then got back up
<v Speaker 2>into the the wilderness where we found our camp spot.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, the second time we went this is
<v Speaker 2>probably this is fall of two thousand and eight, probably
<v Speaker 2>August before school starts, so it would have been the
<v Speaker 2>first or second week August before school started for my son.
<v Speaker 2>So we set up camp. You know, we're having fun.
<v Speaker 2>We all had revolvers on. My wife wanted to shoot,
<v Speaker 2>so she's, you know, a little petite lady and you know,
<v Speaker 2>has her big, big blaster on. So we're you know,
<v Speaker 2>shooting rounds not you know, just having fun. That night,
<v Speaker 2>you know, we were listening to art Bell Goes to
<v Speaker 2>Coast am at about twelve o'clock at night at aliens
<v Speaker 2>or something. You know, Art's always fun. And that's that's
<v Speaker 2>when all of a sudden, out of no where, this
<v Speaker 2>flood curdling, female like scream happened on the top of
<v Speaker 2>the ridgeline and it just went on for maybe a
<v Speaker 2>minute or two, and I was like, that sounds like
<v Speaker 2>a mountain land. I wonder if that's a cat up there.
<v Speaker 2>And then right after that, this like deep guttural scream,
<v Speaker 2>even in lower pitch than that high pitch cat type
<v Speaker 2>of scream happened, and then it it went on for
<v Speaker 2>about half a minute to minute, and I'm like, we're
<v Speaker 2>all looking at each other. I stopped the the podcast
<v Speaker 2>were released listening to, and they're like, what is going
<v Speaker 2>on here? And then right after that, about two minutes after,
<v Speaker 2>a whole pack of coyotes went just crazy and just started,
<v Speaker 2>you know, how barking and howland and you know this
<v Speaker 2>this went on for at least five minutes, and like,
<v Speaker 2>what's going on up there? Something's getting killed, you know,
<v Speaker 2>And I'm thinking, but you know, the first the first scream,
<v Speaker 2>it really sounded pretty much like a cat to me,
<v Speaker 2>mountain lyon which I've used to you know, used to
<v Speaker 2>hear when I was up in the mountains in Nevada.
<v Speaker 2>You know, coyotes, you know, a pack of coyotes when
<v Speaker 2>you hear them. But that that middle, that middle scream
<v Speaker 2>or vocalization was very interesting in it. It was just
<v Speaker 2>deep and guttural and didn't sound like anything I've ever
<v Speaker 2>heard before in the woods. And we just sat there
<v Speaker 2>next to the campfire for about ten minutes just listening.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, the next morning, you know, we get up,
<v Speaker 2>we're walking around about ten steps from our tent. There's
<v Speaker 2>cat tracks going through our camp. So there was a
<v Speaker 2>mountain lion came tur in the middle of the night.
<v Speaker 2>So whatever, you know, whatever the hell is going on
<v Speaker 2>up on the top of the ridgeline behind us. I
<v Speaker 2>have no idea what was going on. If there's something
<v Speaker 2>was fighting each other, but that was very interesting. So
<v Speaker 2>I was like, Okay, this is kind of getting weird.
<v Speaker 2>So we left didn't come back until the spring of
<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen, and this is it was just my son
<v Speaker 2>and I and we thought we'd do a thing that's
<v Speaker 2>called the Viking Night. We started it off right, so,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I collect the medieval armor and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 2>I'm a historian engineer by trade, but I left history,
<v Speaker 2>so you know, we dressed in authentic Viking armor and
<v Speaker 2>listened to Viking music and had a projector screen with
<v Speaker 2>Liking videos on and so we had some meat and
<v Speaker 2>some beer and some other stuff for my assignment. We're
<v Speaker 2>just having a great time. That was the first night
<v Speaker 2>we're there. So I'm like, let's go and blow the
<v Speaker 2>the Viking warhorn. So we went up on a little
<v Speaker 2>ridge next to our camp where you can look down
<v Speaker 2>and oversee this other valley, and he blew the war
<v Speaker 2>horn about three times and it just echoed all the
<v Speaker 2>way down the valley, and you know, just everywhere there's
<v Speaker 2>the sound just went everywhere dissipated down in the valley. So,
<v Speaker 2>you know, we had fun that night and crashed about
<v Speaker 2>one o'clock in the morning. And I'm a light sleeper,
<v Speaker 2>so you know, by about two o'clock in the morning,
<v Speaker 2>I start hearing you know, like knocks, tree knocks, rock clicking,
<v Speaker 2>and something moving behind our tent in the heavily wooded
<v Speaker 2>section of the area, breaking like really thick branches. And
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking maybe it's just you know, an elk or
<v Speaker 2>something moving around back there, but you know, I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I would tend to think that the animals would take
<v Speaker 2>the least path of resistance and just take the game
<v Speaker 2>trails that were there. But whatever it is, this thing
<v Speaker 2>was intentionally moving around behind her tent and just breaking deadfall.
<v Speaker 2>There's really thick deadfall that it fell because of the
<v Speaker 2>beetle kill up there, So this one's whatever it was,
<v Speaker 2>was just snapping these big, you know, pre branches and
<v Speaker 2>all night long, just moving back and forth behind her tent.
<v Speaker 2>And I had my forty five ACP with me. I
<v Speaker 2>had insult shotguns, so I was like, oh God, maybe
<v Speaker 2>this a bear or something. Hopefully it doesn't come over here.
<v Speaker 2>I don't have to shoot it. But you know, I
<v Speaker 2>was ready. I don't I sleep light, So you know,
<v Speaker 2>we stayed there a couple of days and then headed out,
<v Speaker 2>and then by August two thousand is when the really
<v Speaker 2>weird stuff happened to us. We drive up, you know,
<v Speaker 2>left Denver early in the morning on a Saturday. I
<v Speaker 2>took Monday off, I think it was a holiday weekend.
<v Speaker 2>Got up there about eight o'clock in the morning or
<v Speaker 2>left at eight o'clock and got up there, you know,
<v Speaker 2>right around the time takes us to get there if
<v Speaker 2>we take a quick way through Wyoman. So we're up
<v Speaker 2>there about about eleven am tonoon. Beautiful, and nobody else
<v Speaker 2>is there. We rarely see anybody else up where we're at,
<v Speaker 2>usually down belowed about six thousand feet. There's some pullouts
<v Speaker 2>where you see some you know, trailers and people with
<v Speaker 2>their four wheelers and stuff like that. But APPI where
<v Speaker 2>we're at, it kind of gets it's overgrown, so you
<v Speaker 2>can't take trailers up there. It's great for high clearance trucks.
<v Speaker 2>But any type of car or anything that you think
<v Speaker 2>you're going to get damage or stuck, people don't go
<v Speaker 2>up there. So maybe the isolation is part of that.
<v Speaker 2>But this, this August two thousand thing was by far
<v Speaker 2>the weirdest encounter up there. And what happened was, is
<v Speaker 2>we get up there, we set up camp. This time.
<v Speaker 2>I have these twelve gage plants and they go on
<v Speaker 2>these little traps. You can put trip wires across areas
<v Speaker 2>around your perimeter, so I put some of those up.
<v Speaker 2>We got all our food out, set up everything we needed,
<v Speaker 2>and the wind changed and we got this like really sickening,
<v Speaker 2>horrible dead smell coming at us, and my son and
<v Speaker 2>I are like, now, what what is that? And I
<v Speaker 2>was coming right over the right from the ridgeline. We
<v Speaker 2>walk over to look down into another little valley that
<v Speaker 2>kind of is about maybe one hundred yards away in
<v Speaker 2>about thirty forty feet an elevation lower. So we hiked
<v Speaker 2>the game trail down there and we found a a
<v Speaker 2>dead heifer. A dead cow had been there maybe I
<v Speaker 2>don't know a couple of days. It was just starting
<v Speaker 2>to bloat and rot, but no signs of rotting. It
<v Speaker 2>was just starting to bloat. But the weird thing was
<v Speaker 2>its bottom jaw and its tongue were ripped out of
<v Speaker 2>the head, So we have no idea what the hell's
<v Speaker 2>doing on there either, right, So we're like, oh, this
<v Speaker 2>is really weird. So it was like, should we move
<v Speaker 2>camps because this smell. If it keeps wafting this way,
<v Speaker 2>there's no way we can stay here. It's getting nastier.
<v Speaker 2>But we persevered because the wind kept going in the
<v Speaker 2>upper opposite direction, so we didn't have to, you know,
<v Speaker 2>smell that dead animal all the time, and you know,
<v Speaker 2>we had to didn't set up. We're up all night
<v Speaker 2>and hearing some weird stuff out in the woods. Nothing much,
<v Speaker 2>you know, went to sleep that night and did hear
<v Speaker 2>some weird like like burden noises that you normally think
<v Speaker 2>you want to hear during the day, some owls, stuff
<v Speaker 2>like that. The problem next morning, it was really early.
<v Speaker 2>I was like, the worst thing when you're camping is
<v Speaker 2>when it's cold at night and you have to pee.
<v Speaker 2>So my son and I are like, oh my god,
<v Speaker 2>let's just wait all the morning, and finally we just
<v Speaker 2>couldn't hold it. We had to get up and go.
<v Speaker 2>We walk out and we go up to this ridge
<v Speaker 2>line that overlooks where the cow was down in that
<v Speaker 2>little valley, a little, uh, little gusture right below us,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, we relieve ourselves and I'm like, let's
<v Speaker 2>walk up on this thing really slow and see if
<v Speaker 2>we can see anything. Maybe there's something eating on that cow.
<v Speaker 2>So we start walking up there, and I really wasn't
<v Speaker 2>paying attention to where the cow was, but my son goes, hey, Dad,
<v Speaker 2>what the hell is that? And I looked down and
<v Speaker 2>right as I look down, this thing, this creature I
<v Speaker 2>would I would say it's a sasquatch, probably six or
<v Speaker 2>seven feet tall, was walking briskly into the tree line
<v Speaker 2>from from where the cow was. And my son caught
<v Speaker 2>more of it. But it was walking from our left
<v Speaker 2>to the right, going right into a tree line, and
<v Speaker 2>I caught the right hand side of it, the right
<v Speaker 2>hand side of it. It was black, a little brownish
<v Speaker 2>tint to it, maybe because of the sun. Not really
<v Speaker 2>long hair, not a giant conical head, but there was
<v Speaker 2>a conical head. The head was enormous. The head looked
<v Speaker 2>like it just was built right into the neck. From
<v Speaker 2>the right hand side, I couldn't see the face. I
<v Speaker 2>could see some of its features. It looked like it
<v Speaker 2>had a nose, It looked like the face wasn't that
<v Speaker 2>covered with hair. I've seen it walk and I was like,
<v Speaker 2>at first, I was like bear, and I was like no,
<v Speaker 2>because I looked and it was just amazed. Because as
<v Speaker 2>this thing swung its arms, I could see it moveing
<v Speaker 2>its fingers and its hands were right about the knee level,
<v Speaker 2>or a little bit lower than knee. And it only
<v Speaker 2>took it a couple seconds to get into the treeline.
<v Speaker 2>So I caught maybe one or two steps so that
<v Speaker 2>before it it v lined into the weeds in the trees.
<v Speaker 2>And this place is thick, it has askeden has got
<v Speaker 2>pines and all kinds of other types of foliage in here.
<v Speaker 2>So once you're in that growth, you're in there and
<v Speaker 2>it's like instant camera, right. But I stood there for
<v Speaker 2>a minute. I looked over at my son and I
<v Speaker 2>was like, what the hell did we just see? And
<v Speaker 2>he goes, that was a bigfoot. Dad. I was like,
<v Speaker 2>are you are you serious? Did we see something? I
<v Speaker 2>thought I was going going nuts, right, and I was like, well,
<v Speaker 2>what did you see? So we stopped and just sat
<v Speaker 2>there for like an hour, just talking about what we seed,
<v Speaker 2>and we weren't scared. We're scared, No, We're this I
<v Speaker 2>would say, amazed, amazed and shocked at the same time
<v Speaker 2>to see that we actually got a glimpse of something
<v Speaker 2>that people say is only legends, right, And we talked
<v Speaker 2>about it for an hours, like did you see its face?
<v Speaker 2>He's like kind of but you know, he caught maybe
<v Speaker 2>maybe five or ten seconds of it walking where I
<v Speaker 2>caught maybe four or five seconds because he had to
<v Speaker 2>direct me to where it was walking into the trees.
<v Speaker 2>The scene wasn't that massive, you know, maybe six to
<v Speaker 2>seven feet tall. I don't think it was a female
<v Speaker 2>because from the side, I don't see any breasts like
<v Speaker 2>you know, like the like the Patterson Gimlin film. It
<v Speaker 2>wasn't overly thick, but it didn't move. It did move fast,
<v Speaker 2>and why would somebody in a suit be up there
<v Speaker 2>walking around it? Stupid? So yeah, we talked about it
<v Speaker 2>all the way home. We left and packed up and left,
<v Speaker 2>but before we did that, we went down walked down
<v Speaker 2>in that mountain meadow area again to look at the
<v Speaker 2>cow to see if maybe the big foot like was
<v Speaker 2>eating it or something. And it didn't touch it, but
<v Speaker 2>then we walked, we kind of followed into the trees,
<v Speaker 2>and it looked like almost like something had built a
<v Speaker 2>nest about fifty yards from where that kill was. It
<v Speaker 2>wasn't too fresh, but it was definitely flattened out, kind
<v Speaker 2>of like just a burden essmate out of pine bows,
<v Speaker 2>and it looked like it was rather it was old.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't that fresh, but you could tell that something
<v Speaker 2>had intentionally built it and was sleeping in it. So yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's that's a very weird thing. And after that, we've
<v Speaker 2>been going up there pretty much every year. I've tried
<v Speaker 2>game cams a couple of times, and you know, got
<v Speaker 2>pictures of regular, regular animals like elk and moose and
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. But then we started gifting, and you know,
<v Speaker 2>you'd come back and the apples and stuff would be
<v Speaker 2>gone a week later. But then you know, we started
<v Speaker 2>leaving out marbles and action figures and something would take them.
<v Speaker 2>So this time I got thermal and a drone and
<v Speaker 2>some more night vision equipment. So we're gonna we're gonna
<v Speaker 2>set up this next trip and see if we can
<v Speaker 2>actually catch something. I think I'm gonna leave my trail
<v Speaker 2>cams up there for a while on some of these
<v Speaker 2>difting insights and see what happens.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's incredible the fact that you saw this, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you saw this creature by the dead cow that had
<v Speaker 1>its tongue ripped out. I mean, I would think that
<v Speaker 1>creature was responsible for that dead cow. What do you think?
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I mean quite possibly. I mean, did
<v Speaker 2>it inadvertently piss off the sasquatch and the squatch killed it?
<v Speaker 2>Because I mean, it didn't look like it was eating
<v Speaker 2>it for food. There was no like predation like you'd
<v Speaker 2>see like from birds or any other scavengers on it.
<v Speaker 2>Nothing touched it except that that bottom jaw and the
<v Speaker 2>tongue was just gone. It wasn't even near the animal.
<v Speaker 2>Totally bizarre, totally weird. And you know when you see
<v Speaker 2>a dead animal like that's weird enough and you're thinking, well,
<v Speaker 2>here we go with the uh, the animal mutilation stuff, right,
<v Speaker 2>and then on top of that, a day later, you
<v Speaker 2>see something walked into the woods that you're like, is
<v Speaker 2>that real? What the hell are we seeing here? It's
<v Speaker 2>really bizarre, and you know, I can only say what
<v Speaker 2>happened to my son and I it's just bizarre, and
<v Speaker 2>I really can't explain what happens up there, but it's
<v Speaker 2>definitely a fun place to go. I mean we're I'm
<v Speaker 2>not afraid up there. I mean that's never been We've
<v Speaker 2>never been attacked or never had anything thrown at us.
<v Speaker 2>But I can tell you there's something up there, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely so was this cattle or was it like
<v Speaker 1>a cow elk?
<v Speaker 2>No, it's cattle. And about a year later we went
<v Speaker 2>back up there well, and the reason we had to
<v Speaker 2>leave early the next morning after we had our sighting
<v Speaker 2>that with that squatch and it went down there and
<v Speaker 2>found that nest air. We woke up in the morning
<v Speaker 2>and the smell of smoke was just overwhelming, and I
<v Speaker 2>freaked because I thought we left our campfire on and
<v Speaker 2>it burns something was catching on fire. But I'm really
<v Speaker 2>good at dowsing those and flooding those campfires at night
<v Speaker 2>and making sure nothing's gonna light right. We got up
<v Speaker 2>and the whole valley was full of smoke. So we
<v Speaker 2>actually got chased out of there at a five day
<v Speaker 2>camping trip in around day three because of the Cameron
<v Speaker 2>Peak flyre. And that happened in August thirteenth of twenty
<v Speaker 2>twenty and that thing raged and started burning down parts
<v Speaker 2>of raw Wa Worlderness. So we had to actually leave
<v Speaker 2>and go up the backway into Wyoming to get out
<v Speaker 2>of there because they had all the roads clothes going south.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's why I remember that date because you know,
<v Speaker 2>we basically got chased out of there after that. Weird
<v Speaker 2>stuff happened from the fire. And then we went up
<v Speaker 2>there a year later and went down to check out
<v Speaker 2>where the cow was, and the cow bones were everywhere,
<v Speaker 2>but we did grab the tag off its ear. The
<v Speaker 2>tag was laying there, so we do have the tag
<v Speaker 2>from it, but I don't know what rancher it belonged to.
<v Speaker 2>You know, probably had some grazing rights up there, and
<v Speaker 2>there's some open range grazing going on. But yeah, it's
<v Speaker 2>just weird. We go up there and sometimes it's just
<v Speaker 2>nice and quiet. Sometimes we have weird stuff happened, you know.
<v Speaker 2>I think the last time we went up there was
<v Speaker 2>probably a year and a half ago, and something was
<v Speaker 2>setting off my trip flares in the middle of the night,
<v Speaker 2>the trip wire alarms, and I had night vision, and
<v Speaker 2>you know, I didn't see anything when it popped out
<v Speaker 2>of the tent. But then again, you know, if those
<v Speaker 2>things are up there and they're stealthy, you're you're not
<v Speaker 2>going to see them. So that's why I would have
<v Speaker 2>had and uh bought some bought some thermal imaging equipment
<v Speaker 2>this time.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's pretty cool. It's always good to have
<v Speaker 1>gear when you're going to an active bigfoot area. How
<v Speaker 1>did that make you feel when you light eyes on
<v Speaker 1>this creature?
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't just oh, I couldn't believe it. And if
<v Speaker 2>people if people are like, why didn't you take a picture? Well,
<v Speaker 2>you're just staring at this thing, going am I own
<v Speaker 2>drugs or something? Or did I actually see this thing?
<v Speaker 2>Do you know? My son's sitting there just watching this
<v Speaker 2>thing too, and like is this like a mass hallucination
<v Speaker 2>that we're seeing weird stuff? And I know we just uh,
<v Speaker 2>every every once in a while when we go back
<v Speaker 2>up there, we stand at that same spot and look
<v Speaker 2>just look at where that that carcass was and where
<v Speaker 2>that that bigfoot walked into the trees, you know, and
<v Speaker 2>it's just it's just like being there again.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, It's almost like you float out of your body
<v Speaker 1>when you lay eyes on one of these creatures and
<v Speaker 1>you're not thinking about your cell phone or anything else,
<v Speaker 1>like your mind is trying to grasp what it's looking.
<v Speaker 2>At exactly exactly it was. It was uh awe and
<v Speaker 2>just wonder that. You know, the people talk about this stuff,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, you know, people have stories and you
<v Speaker 2>don't know which ones to believe or if they're hoaxes
<v Speaker 2>or but you know, if you see it for yourself,
<v Speaker 2>then they're like, this is really weird, you know. And
<v Speaker 2>we don't talk to very many people about this. I
<v Speaker 2>mean I brought it up to a couple of my
<v Speaker 2>friends who are professional cowboys, and he laughed at me
<v Speaker 2>and they said, I've never seen nothing in the woods.
<v Speaker 2>Said wow, okay. You know. Then I talked to my
<v Speaker 2>uncle and he kind of rolled his eyes at me,
<v Speaker 2>and Kenny chimed in her my son chimed in and said, hey,
<v Speaker 2>you know, we've seen this up in the mountains. And
<v Speaker 2>so then my uncle started getting interested in it. He
<v Speaker 2>lives down in Texas, so we might go down there
<v Speaker 2>for an expedition sometime. But yeah, I see all these expeditions,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I don't you know, I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't want to go out there and
<v Speaker 2>try to bang on trees. Or yell or anything like that.
<v Speaker 2>But I do believe that night we we blew that
<v Speaker 2>Viking horn and it, you know, went, you know, carried
<v Speaker 2>through the valley. I think that peaked the curiosity because
<v Speaker 2>there's something different, something weird they probably never heard. I
<v Speaker 2>think maybe the music we play it there is they
<v Speaker 2>make some curious. I don't think they're they're hard on us.
<v Speaker 2>I just think they're probably just curious. They don't get
<v Speaker 2>too close to our camp spot, but they do take
<v Speaker 2>stuff we leave, and you know, I'm pretty sure a
<v Speaker 2>lot of the food we leave, you know, the local
<v Speaker 2>critters are getting it. But if you're leaving marbles and
<v Speaker 2>action figures and stuff like that like that. We even
<v Speaker 2>left a hot wheel and by the time we came
<v Speaker 2>back the next summer that was gone too. So yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I think I want to do some long term game
<v Speaker 2>camera action and put that on some of those gifting
<v Speaker 2>areas and try to camouflage it with some camo netting
<v Speaker 2>or something. I don't think they can see the camera,
<v Speaker 2>but if you don't have it camo, I think they'll
<v Speaker 2>they notice it because the you know, the cameras, they're
<v Speaker 2>passive ir so they're only looking for a change in
<v Speaker 2>the temperature around them to go ahead and try to
<v Speaker 2>snap a picture and kick on me the IR light
<v Speaker 2>at that time. But when you're just walking by it,
<v Speaker 2>it's not gonna I don't think those things will see
<v Speaker 2>anything because there's no active spectrum going on, nothing transmitting.
<v Speaker 2>But it does, you know, those passive IR cameras, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Some people say they can see them,
<v Speaker 2>some people say they can't. I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, even if they couldn't see the IR, they can
<v Speaker 1>see the cameras just hanging on the tree. And I
<v Speaker 1>mean even if you put it up high. I mean
<v Speaker 1>I notice it like whenever people have cameras out in
<v Speaker 1>the woods and I just walk around them. So I
<v Speaker 1>suspect that these things do the same thing, and they
<v Speaker 1>can do it a lot better than humans.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm thinking of like, you know, camouflaging them somehow,
<v Speaker 2>or sticking them into like hollow trees or somewhere where
<v Speaker 2>I get a good advantage point where but they're not
<v Speaker 2>easily seen, and then you know, set up a gifting
<v Speaker 2>area somewhere around there, get a good get a good
<v Speaker 2>a good picture. But I don't know. It's it's very interesting.
<v Speaker 2>I see all those all those folks that are trying
<v Speaker 2>pheromones and all kinds of stuff. So you get a
<v Speaker 2>drone too, So I'm curious to see what that's gonna do.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, you should try a fair day cage. And it's
<v Speaker 1>like a material that blocks the EMF from the device,
<v Speaker 1>and I think that would work best. They sell it
<v Speaker 1>in a camouflage color, so if you wrap your trail
<v Speaker 1>camera around that, you might have a better chance. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, there's a lot to it. People have
<v Speaker 1>told me to try. I haven't done it yet. I
<v Speaker 1>just have trail cameras out there and whatever walks by
<v Speaker 1>walks by. But I do need to try. I need
<v Speaker 1>to buy some of that material. What kind of drone
<v Speaker 1>did you get for this this type of research?
<v Speaker 2>Just a little cheapy off of Amazon that had that
<v Speaker 2>has a thermal in it. You know, it's not one
<v Speaker 2>of those giant quad copters. But you know, if I
<v Speaker 2>do reckon, I won't be tear jerking over it. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I got some. I got some thermal monocles. And I
<v Speaker 2>think what we're what we're gonna do is we'll, uh,
<v Speaker 2>we'll do some military hasty positions and bury ourselves kind
<v Speaker 2>of in a dirt and then make blinds and cameo
<v Speaker 2>ourselves really good with cameo dding and you know, the
<v Speaker 2>foliage from behind us and and just covered all so
<v Speaker 2>we just have a little hole to look out of
<v Speaker 2>with the uh you know, with the I R or
<v Speaker 2>the infrared or the night vision. Mm hmm, yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I just ever since then, it's kind of fascinate.
<v Speaker 2>It needed me because you know, I was on the fence.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't necessarily dis but you know, I was skeptical,
<v Speaker 2>but I knew there's something something legit with that Patterson film.
<v Speaker 2>So that's what's always kind of And the Sierra sounds too.
<v Speaker 2>Like I said when I first started talking to that,
<v Speaker 2>I spent a lot of time up in nor Kelsa,
<v Speaker 2>you know, all the way up there Bluff Creek and
<v Speaker 2>all the way you know, down there by Sonora and
<v Speaker 2>Yosemite Camp, and I've never heard anything. I've never seen
<v Speaker 2>anything in there. But as soon as I get to Colorado,
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's where that's where the weirdness starts.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, in the Rocky Mountain National Park. That's an
<v Speaker 1>awesome looking area. I mean it almost seems like just
<v Speaker 1>another world, like you're in heaven or something. That place
<v Speaker 1>is just amazing. And I can't imagine the feeling that
<v Speaker 1>you get when you're up there camping.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, you never know what you're going to see.
<v Speaker 2>My wife, you know, she lives wayan So she went
<v Speaker 2>off to have She walked about fifty yards from our
<v Speaker 2>camp and she was watching this big meadow and she
<v Speaker 2>had a chair and she had a cigarette and her
<v Speaker 2>boxed wine. She was drinking wine, and all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 2>this small herd of moves came out and we were
<v Speaker 2>just walking right in front of her like they didn't
<v Speaker 2>even care. And I just told her just stay in
<v Speaker 2>their chair, don't move, just don't cause any trouble and
<v Speaker 2>nose just walk by. And it was amazing. She got
<v Speaker 2>them on camera. They were just walking right by, like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, thirty forty feet in front of her.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Colorado's a while there.
<v Speaker 2>Elk. Yeah, the elk. They come up in the middle
<v Speaker 2>of the night and they start bugling and scares the
<v Speaker 2>hell of you. The end of the cats. But you know,
<v Speaker 2>I've been around all all those animals. The only ones
<v Speaker 2>of you know, have any fear of is probably a
<v Speaker 2>grizzly because I've never had to deal with them. You know,
<v Speaker 2>we don't have an grizzlies in northern California. I never
<v Speaker 2>heard of that.
<v Speaker 1>Ever, there's rare sightings of them in like northern California
<v Speaker 1>and in Colorado. So people say that they're not there anymore,
<v Speaker 1>but there's people that claim they have seen them, So
<v Speaker 1>anything's possible. There's a lot of wilderness there. I used
<v Speaker 1>to live in Broomfield, between Lewisville and Broomfield. It's pretty
<v Speaker 1>close to Boulder, and oh yeah, yeah, I went into
<v Speaker 1>the mountains and I mean before you even get into
<v Speaker 1>the mountains, you're seeing elk in the fields. And like,
<v Speaker 1>the strange thing was it was like eighty five degrees.
<v Speaker 1>It was hot in Denver, and as soon as you
<v Speaker 1>get into the mountains and you start driving up higher
<v Speaker 1>and higher, it starts snowing. It's like, what the heck?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it makes you wonder if these these critters
<v Speaker 2>are you know, just I think they migrate, you know,
<v Speaker 2>because you see them in one area Colorado during certain
<v Speaker 2>parts of the year, and then they'll have sightings it's
<v Speaker 2>a different one. I think they're probably cracked and you know,
<v Speaker 2>falling the elk in the deer.
<v Speaker 1>I would agree with food or yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And what time of year was this sighting? Do you
<v Speaker 1>remember the month?
<v Speaker 2>Uh? The one where we actually where we see the
<v Speaker 2>dead cow with the with the sudsquatch, that was August.
<v Speaker 2>So I think the the fire, the Cameron Peak fire
<v Speaker 2>started in August thirteenth and twenty twenty, so this would
<v Speaker 2>have been August eleventh.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so getting close to it's pretty much in the
<v Speaker 1>fall seasons, okay.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, because we we go up there early in
<v Speaker 2>the spring because it's cool, and then later in the
<v Speaker 2>fall because it's cool, and then sometimes we'll go down
<v Speaker 2>into New Mexican places to camp out in out in
<v Speaker 2>the desert out there, but when it's when it's cool too.
<v Speaker 1>What time of day was the sighting?
<v Speaker 2>Oh? It was in the morning. Oh wow, So it's
<v Speaker 2>probably because we you know, we didn't want to get
<v Speaker 2>out of our tent because it was cold and we
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to have to pee. But then the smoke
<v Speaker 2>that was the day before, but you know, we didn't
<v Speaker 2>want to pee, so we just waited until we absolutely
<v Speaker 2>had to go, and it was it was like first light,
<v Speaker 2>so probably six o'clock in the morning at six am. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>we had good, good visibility and good light.
<v Speaker 1>I wonder what elevation you were at when you had
<v Speaker 1>this encounter. I don't know if that matters.
<v Speaker 2>But eighty five hundred feet okay.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, maybe these things are staying at a certain
<v Speaker 1>elevation to stay away from people and to keep cool.
<v Speaker 1>And there's a lot of springs in Colorado. I know,
<v Speaker 1>there's fresh water that just pours out of the mountains.
<v Speaker 1>Was there a waterway nearby a lake?
<v Speaker 2>There is lots of lots of springs and little creeks,
<v Speaker 2>right And that's where I like to go now, because
<v Speaker 2>the only thing I want is a cast. If I
<v Speaker 2>can find a cast, and and you know, if I
<v Speaker 2>can find the track and cast it, that would be
<v Speaker 2>that would be like the you know, the cream, the
<v Speaker 2>cream on the coffee right there. Yeah, you know, I'll
<v Speaker 2>look at those. We'll go around these little springs and
<v Speaker 2>around these these little creeks and look and it's it's
<v Speaker 2>mostly you know, elk, deer, moose, and and in the
<v Speaker 2>summertime you'll see that you'll see the range cattle up there. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>very very weird. I know. The story kind of started
<v Speaker 2>off slow and you're like, where's this going. But you
<v Speaker 2>know what, this is been an habitual situation. We don't
<v Speaker 2>go up there just one time. We've been going up
<v Speaker 2>there since twenty eighteen, and every time we go up there,
<v Speaker 2>you know something different. And you know, one of the
<v Speaker 2>other times we did go up there, we went where
<v Speaker 2>that backpack was up in the tree and it was gone.
<v Speaker 2>We couldn't find that, we couldn't find the scraps, closed anywhere.
<v Speaker 2>So it's it's a weird place. We love it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the way to do.
<v Speaker 2>It's a big tree and you got a big you
<v Speaker 2>got a big fire going at night and you can
<v Speaker 2>watch the stars and yeah, it's it's a neat place.
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if it was just some homeless person camping
<v Speaker 1>out there, or if it had something to do with
<v Speaker 1>like missing people, because some of the bigfoot structure areas
<v Speaker 1>that I've found in wilderness areas you just find like
<v Speaker 1>a pair of shoes sitting there and it's like brand
<v Speaker 1>new shoes. It's like, what is this? Why is there
<v Speaker 1>just clothes sitting here? And there's all kinds of sasquatch
<v Speaker 1>sign like did something happen to them? Or is there
<v Speaker 1>just some homeless person that's been camping here? What the
<v Speaker 1>heck is going on? And I found like abandoned tents
<v Speaker 1>and other sasquatch areas too. It's like, why would someone
<v Speaker 1>just leave a tent? Like it doesn't make sense.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's yeah, that's weird. Yeah, like I said,
<v Speaker 2>I mean this looks looks to be a hunter's camp, right,
<v Speaker 2>so I think nobody's up there hunting until you know,
<v Speaker 2>hunting season in the fall, but by then it's too
<v Speaker 2>cold for us, so we stay out of there, so
<v Speaker 2>hunting shoes, you know, starting in September, October, November, I
<v Speaker 2>think that's when when you'll see more people up there
<v Speaker 2>going after these elk and other things. Right, yeah, but
<v Speaker 2>by that time, you know, by mid August, my son
<v Speaker 2>was in high school, so you know, we didn't spend
<v Speaker 2>a lot of time up their winter camping. So it's yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It's a very interesting place. And you know,
<v Speaker 2>the word rahwah means wild. It's a Native American word
<v Speaker 2>that means wild place. So yeah, it's a wild place
<v Speaker 2>all right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it certainly is. What did the vocalization sound like,
<v Speaker 1>I know you said it was like a blood curdling scream.
<v Speaker 1>But can you describe and like you compare to sounded.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, the first one I think it was definitely
<v Speaker 2>a lion screaming. But right after that is when I
<v Speaker 2>heard this like a and it went the pitch went
<v Speaker 2>really low and then went way up hi and then
<v Speaker 2>just stopped right. So it wasn't It wasn't like a cat,
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a coyote. It wasn't anything I've ever heard
<v Speaker 2>before doing something like that. And I don't I don't
<v Speaker 2>know if they're if they're fighting over something or you know,
<v Speaker 2>if you've ever seen that silly movie Sasquat Sunrise. Have
<v Speaker 2>you seen that?
<v Speaker 1>I have not movie.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's it's crazy. You're gonna watch it. If you
<v Speaker 2>see the part where with the cat, you'll understand. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, it's it's it's weird. It's just a weird place. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>but we love it and that's why we keep going
<v Speaker 2>up there.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. And I noticed when you hear sasquatch vocalizations, it
<v Speaker 1>will trigger the coyotes and the owls. So yeah, the
<v Speaker 1>fact that you heard coyotes after that scream.
<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, and it was in the general area of
<v Speaker 2>that too, So we're wondering what the ruckus was, right, like,
<v Speaker 2>what is going on up there?
<v Speaker 1>There's a kill nearby?
<v Speaker 2>Probably, Yeah, I'm wondering if they were fighting over a
<v Speaker 2>killer or something, if if if the cat got something
<v Speaker 2>and then the squatch came in and took it from
<v Speaker 2>the cat, or you know, the coyotes. I don't, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know. It's it's weird. Yeah, there's a whole pack
<v Speaker 2>of coyotes up there. We hear them all the time
<v Speaker 2>out there. Apply only had that one issue with the
<v Speaker 2>cat coming to our camp. But you know, that's why
<v Speaker 2>I put these these perimeter defense systems in there, just
<v Speaker 2>to let us know if something is trying to sneak around,
<v Speaker 2>because I get kind of paranoid like that. I don't
<v Speaker 2>like stuff sneaking into my capatite. Yeah yeah, I mean
<v Speaker 2>I stayed out there all night just listening, and this
<v Speaker 2>time I get some uh also get some recording equipment
<v Speaker 2>to some microphones. So I'm gonna put those the lock
<v Speaker 2>up that ridge where the where the screaming is from
<v Speaker 2>and try to find a good place to stick that
<v Speaker 2>for a few days.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that'd be awesome. Hopefully you run into them again
<v Speaker 1>and hopefully they're they're kind to you, because I would
<v Speaker 1>think if they're a predator, you know, you you better
<v Speaker 1>be safe than to be sorry, because like even a
<v Speaker 1>deer can can hurt you, like if you ran too
<v Speaker 1>a bison, Like they eat grass all day, but a
<v Speaker 1>bison can kill you. These things are predators, so imagine
<v Speaker 1>what they could do to a person.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, that's that's why I'm armed up.
<v Speaker 2>It's not necessarily that, you know, after I came back
<v Speaker 2>from a couple a couple of combat tours, I never
<v Speaker 2>hunted again after that. I don't like hunting, it just said,
<v Speaker 2>doesn't appeal to me anymore. But going up in the
<v Speaker 2>in the woods, I love it because I get to,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I get away from all these lunatic people
<v Speaker 2>that down here in Denver that try to run me
<v Speaker 2>off the road, and I get to, you know, stay
<v Speaker 2>up in the camp where the moose try to run
<v Speaker 2>me off the trail. So I don't know, it's I
<v Speaker 2>love being out in the hills because it's just kind
<v Speaker 2>of kind of it's all my all, my stress and
<v Speaker 2>stuff just go away. I just love being up and
<v Speaker 2>watching the critters.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the best thing is being out in nature
<v Speaker 1>is peaceful. And I've spoken to a lot of retired
<v Speaker 1>law enforcement people or military people that started looking for
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot and researching the subject, and I think, you know,
<v Speaker 1>instead of looking for suspects, now they're chasing these hominids
<v Speaker 1>and it takes the same type of gear. You're still
<v Speaker 1>using your firearms, you know, just for safety, and you're
<v Speaker 1>using thermal devices, drones, audio recorders, and you're trying to
<v Speaker 1>track them down. So it's a lot trick a lot
<v Speaker 1>more trickier than tracking down a human.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. See, you know, my our story, my family story
<v Speaker 2>is pretty tame. But you know, if something like you know,
<v Speaker 2>you eight foot tall one came out in the middle
<v Speaker 2>of the night and started ripping stuff up, that's a
<v Speaker 2>whole different scenario. So I don't know about that. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if I'd still be going in the woods
<v Speaker 2>if I had something like that happened to me. But
<v Speaker 2>as far as I know the ones that around that area,
<v Speaker 2>I think they just want to be left alone and
<v Speaker 2>do their own thing, and you know, they're kind of curious.
<v Speaker 2>I think they know my truck. So yeah, a very interesting,
<v Speaker 2>very interesting thing. And you know, I don't. I don't
<v Speaker 2>do this for any like, you know, I'm just doing
<v Speaker 2>this on my own, just to learn and to just
<v Speaker 2>have fun with my son and my family out in
<v Speaker 2>the woods. Yeah, so absolutely, Yeah, I'm very curious to
<v Speaker 2>see how that's grown. Any stermals work.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hopefully you have some luck. If I was a sasquatch,
<v Speaker 1>Colorado would be the place to be. And like you said,
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of waterways out there, there's multiple game species.
<v Speaker 1>When I drove into the mountains, there were people fly
<v Speaker 1>fishing off the side of the highway and there was
<v Speaker 1>like spring fed creeks right off the side of the
<v Speaker 1>highway and it's like, wow, they're trout fishing just right there.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, imagine how easy it would be for a
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch to snatch up one of those fish, or to
<v Speaker 1>kill an elk. I mean, there's a lot of food
<v Speaker 1>sources out there, and that would be the ideal place
<v Speaker 1>for these creatures to be.
<v Speaker 2>A oh man, and if you ever had elk meat,
<v Speaker 2>it's just like the best.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's better than beef.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you can't go wrong with elk. So I
<v Speaker 2>guess if I was a Scotch, I'd beating the hell
<v Speaker 2>out of elk too.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's very interesting. I just wanted to just share
<v Speaker 2>my story with you and kind of get your point
<v Speaker 2>of view and get it off my chest to share it.
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I think they were curious. You guys were
<v Speaker 1>camping in their area. There was a kill nearby, and
<v Speaker 1>you guys happened to see the creature. And it's a
<v Speaker 1>good thing that it went its own way. And it
<v Speaker 1>doesn't sound like they were being territorial, but maybe them
<v Speaker 1>letting you see them is them being territorial. Like they
<v Speaker 1>give you like this glimpse so you can like back off.
<v Speaker 1>What do you think.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it didn't really, it didn't look at us.
<v Speaker 2>It just bolted, right. But yeah, they don't come into
<v Speaker 2>our into a camp per se, but they let you
<v Speaker 2>know they're there. I think their territories probably higher up,
<v Speaker 2>higher up in altitude, because there's some state state areas
<v Speaker 2>up there that you can't even stay overnight and they're
<v Speaker 2>like day use hiking and stuff like that. And there's
<v Speaker 2>a lot of places up there where, yeah, you can't
<v Speaker 2>even camp at night up there, and they got state
<v Speaker 2>stuff and it's a mix, right, it's national forest, it state,
<v Speaker 2>it's blm. It's all kinds of stuff going on up there.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I don't hopefully we're not in their territory
<v Speaker 2>and you know, making them mad. But you know, we've
<v Speaker 2>been going up there so long, I would have thought,
<v Speaker 2>you know, they would have moved off on us already.
<v Speaker 1>But did you notice anything different about its stride when
<v Speaker 1>it was moving, Like, did it glide or did it
<v Speaker 1>walk more like a human or a like, how can
<v Speaker 1>you describe that?
<v Speaker 2>I've seen from like the knees, right below the knees
<v Speaker 2>where its hands were, it didn't looked like it was
<v Speaker 2>just walking effort effortlessly in that train, and there was
<v Speaker 2>rocks there and.
<v Speaker 1>You could see the fingers, so it had to be
<v Speaker 1>pretty close, right.
<v Speaker 2>That's what freaked me out because I was I looked
<v Speaker 2>at it, and I looked down and I seen him
<v Speaker 2>moving his hands moving you know, the right hand, like
<v Speaker 2>from a fist to open and then letting it swing
<v Speaker 2>as it walked, and that was just amazing. I was like, well,
<v Speaker 2>that didn't that didn't something you see every day, and
<v Speaker 2>that's that's definitely not a bear or that's gotta be
<v Speaker 2>a squatch. And so yeah, I mean, my son and
<v Speaker 2>I were just I guess we're got lucky.
<v Speaker 1>You got to see it, so yeah, and your son
<v Speaker 1>got a better look at it, right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep. And he's he's he's going to be helping
<v Speaker 2>me out. We're gonna go up there in a couple
<v Speaker 2>of weeks.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's extra space. When you have an eyesight
<v Speaker 1>and encounter and you go back to an area, it's like, oh, man,
<v Speaker 1>they're in here, because you know for sure that those
<v Speaker 1>creatures exist and they're in the area.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The only thing different I see weird stuff we're
<v Speaker 2>going back in. Like last time, there was a bunch
<v Speaker 2>of big trees knocked down on the road. I didn't
<v Speaker 2>think about it at the time, but I had to
<v Speaker 2>get out and chain saw them up to get in.
<v Speaker 2>And I wonder if they pushed those over to keep
<v Speaker 2>people out.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're known to do that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and all that way that the Want One game
<v Speaker 2>trail where you walk down from where we camp down
<v Speaker 2>into the meadow below us, that had all this dead
<v Speaker 2>fall and all these huge branches and stuff pushed over it.
<v Speaker 2>So I had to change all that to get in
<v Speaker 2>and down into the game trail. I don't know it's yeah,
<v Speaker 2>so hopefully this time. I heard they like fig Newton's
<v Speaker 2>and I can't confirm that, so I've heard this is. Uh,
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna put some jars of peanut butter because if
<v Speaker 2>you know that, if they can open the jar, they
<v Speaker 2>have hands, right m hm. So I'm gonna try stuff
<v Speaker 2>like that at this time. Maybe put out some more
<v Speaker 2>action figures.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's a good idea. And look for
<v Speaker 1>tree structures for sure, because if you had a siding
<v Speaker 1>in there, there's got to be tree structures in there.
<v Speaker 1>And definitely look for x's arches, trees blocking the road
<v Speaker 1>and just strange twist in the trees. I think you'll
<v Speaker 1>be able to find that if you go up there,
<v Speaker 1>so definitely keep an eye out and you'll have to
<v Speaker 1>do a lot of exploring, possibly a lot of driving,
<v Speaker 1>but I feel confident that you'll be able to find it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think they're up in this valley, you know,
<v Speaker 2>above us where we can so yeah, I want to.
<v Speaker 2>I want to walk some of those game trails and
<v Speaker 2>see what I can see and maybe uh yeah, maybe
<v Speaker 2>see something something else that I've never seen before. But
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's very interesting and yeah, I think that's
<v Speaker 2>about all I have.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, do you have any questions for me or anything
<v Speaker 1>else you can think of?
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So you're from Colorado too, that you lived here
<v Speaker 2>for a while.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I lived there for about a year and then
<v Speaker 1>I ended up moving back to Missouri.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. Yeah, so you know, you know the mountains, you
<v Speaker 2>know how Stats Park.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's beautiful there. I mean, it's it's like a
<v Speaker 1>whole other world once you go past Denver.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. When I seen that that recent sighting up there,
<v Speaker 2>you know that they put in the BFR page. You know,
<v Speaker 2>that's not very far from or recamp. So I'm wondering
<v Speaker 2>if they just they just go back and forth up
<v Speaker 2>and down the range, they stay up above where people are.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that they need to. That was fifteen miles
<v Speaker 1>away and that was fairly recent.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it was the last book. Wow.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're definitely up there.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean, yeah, not very far.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, if I ever make a trip to Colorado,
<v Speaker 1>I'll definitely give you a call. I've been wanting to
<v Speaker 1>go there and do research. I just feel like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that'd be an.
<v Speaker 2>Awesome way to come along. You're you're yeah, you're welcome
<v Speaker 2>to I don't take very many people up there, but
<v Speaker 2>accept my family, but I'll take you up there.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, that sounds great to me. And yeah, I
<v Speaker 1>appreciate you for getting in contact with me and sharing
<v Speaker 1>your encounter with me openly here on Sasquatch Theory. And
<v Speaker 1>you did an excellent job.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, sir. Look forward to talking to you again soon.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, and if you encounter anything else in the future,
<v Speaker 1>feel free to reach back out.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, sure, thank you very much. I appreciate it. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>take care, thank.
<v Speaker 1>You, and you'd be safe. Thank you very much, Mike
<v Speaker 1>for sharing your bigfoot encounter from Colorado with me here
<v Speaker 1>on Sasquatch Theory. After that encounter, Mike didn't walk away
<v Speaker 1>from it. He leaned into it. He went back to
<v Speaker 1>the area with intention. He paid attention to patterns, sounds, smells,
<v Speaker 1>and behavior. Mike documented what he could, experimented with gifting
<v Speaker 1>and started using equipment to better understand what was happening
<v Speaker 1>around him. Over time, whatever was in that area didn't leave,
<v Speaker 1>It stayed, and the distance between Mike and these creatures
<v Speaker 1>seemed to shrink, not through force, but these things became
<v Speaker 1>very familiar with his presence. You don't spend years returning
<v Speaker 1>to the same place unless you're trying to understand something real.
<v Speaker 1>Mike wasn't chasing a story, he was studying an environment
<v Speaker 1>that kept responding to him. I can see why sasquatch
<v Speaker 1>love Colorado because it's beautiful and the wilderness is pristine.
<v Speaker 1>There's all kinds of wildlife and they have everything there. Food, water,
<v Speaker 1>and cover. That seems to be the main thing that
<v Speaker 1>these creatures need to survive, and humans needed that to survive,
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