Hour 3 – Bill Belichick’s Future, Chris “Mad Dog” Russo

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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Are they two teams going in different directions? The Jags and the Chiefs final hour in the program. Glad to be part of your day, whether you're listening or you're watching, or you're doing both. Peacock is our streaming partner. Download the app if you haven't done so. By the way, speaking of Peacock, it's Big ten Saturday Night Michigan and USC Michigan USC. Is that right? That's NBC in Peacock. Here comes Saturday Night presented by Discover. So USC then has Notre Dame next week?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Paul, Yeah, Michigan at USC this weekend. Wow, Okay, USC slightly favored.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I like that.

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Speaker 2: And then they go to South Bend and we'll be there a week from this Thursday. We'll be outside the stadium. And do we know the name of the bar. We're Bar Pub that's right there, Todd Legends, Legends.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna be right outside Legends in the big parking lot there, right near the stadium.

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Speaker 6: So it should be.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, Okay, and we're going to have They're going to allow us to have an audience there. I don't know what the weather's going to be like, but you know, come out and have some fun. And once again, anybody who shows up and if you stay, we will get pictures and autographs after every show. That's something that we've started at Super Bowls. And if we get the opportunity, you guys make the effort, then we'd love to say hello, Yes, Paul, well.

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Speaker 3: Heather, it looks good. We're right in the shadows of the stadium. Great place to be. Folliage time Midwest.

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Speaker 2: Oh peak foliage, Yes, peak foliage. So that'll be big ten Saturday night in Michigan against USC eight seven to seven, three DP. Show operator Tyler sitting by. He'll take your phone calls. I don't know if they're two teams headed in opposite directions, but I will say maybe that gap between the Chiefs and everybody else in the AFC is not as wide as it used to be. The Chiefs two and three through five games for just the second time in the last ten years, and then you have the Jags are four and one, their best start since two thousand and seven when they started out four and one. Chiefs had their opportunities, a bad kickoff by Harrison, Butker put the Jags at the forty and give credit Trevor Lawrence had a couple of dimes there and then the stumble Rooskie. It sounded like this, Trevor under center.

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Speaker 1: He literally fell down.

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Speaker 7: Trevor fell down on the play.

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Speaker 8: Charn't you to.

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Speaker 5: Play run cut down down?

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Speaker 9: He got up under the play.

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Speaker 2: I got Tampa Tenny, Trevor Lawrence, Okay, they didn't have any timeouts.

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Speaker 4: He was probably gonna spike the ball.

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Speaker 2: Stop the I don't know if the call matches the actual play because Lawrence makes way. It makes something out of nothing because his guard comes back and then trips him up and falls down, and then tries to get up and then falls down, and then he eventually sees a little opening and scores the touchdown. Patrick Mahomes through a pick six. He's never won a game when he's thrown a pick six, zero for five in the regular season and owen one in the postseason. All right, Seaton Poll question for the final hour of the program. Christopher mad Dog Russo will join us in about twenty minutes from now.

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Speaker 8: Let's see, we got a new one here from Polly uh Next fall, Bill Belichick will be dot dot dot North Cary four. Oh, okay, the North Carolina head coach working for an NFL team, working in the media or unemployed.

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Speaker 2: I had somebody and somebody that I respect in the business, who said, could you see Bella going to the Miami Dolphins.

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Speaker 4: I go, I would say.

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Speaker 2: No, but I don't like Miami's ready to move on from Mike McDaniel. But maybe And I said, wait, are you talking about now? And he said no, at the end of the season. Could you see Belichick just going back to the NFL? I said, I don't see him coaching, don't. I don't know if he has the enthusiasm to do this.

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's not college like, there's nothing college like him. He's not one of those raw ra guys. I can't imagine him recruiting. Cannot imagine, you know, meeting with parents and being awkward and like, you know, your son, he's really good. You're meeting with boosters and you got to get him fired up. And just I can't The reason why we're talking a little bit more about Belichick because there is an article w r A L sports anchor and reporter Pat Welter. Multiple sources with knowledge of the inner workings of Bill Belichick's program say North Carolina's football losses a product of a divided locker room, a disorganized coaching staff, and a failure to communicate. Now, when you say a divided locker room, that's because you have players who came in transfer portal seventy players and then you had probably thirty to forty who were leftovers and they probably didn't get nil and some of these players coming in did get nil money. Multiple sources with knowledge of the inner workings of Belichick's program say results in the field or a product of a divided locker room. It's an unstructured mess. A source with firsthand knowledge of the program told WRAL there's no culture, no organization. It's a complete disaster for a guy who made his reputation on being a defensive guy. And North Carolina's program was being sold as the thirty third NFL team. Through five games, the tar Heels rank one hundred and twenty eighth in points allowed per game. Do you realize there's only one hundred and thirty six NCAA Division One football programs in FBS, so they're one twenty eight out of one thirty six.

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Speaker 8: Statu, the day stata, the j stata, the j oh damn give us.

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Speaker 4: Say thank you? Thank you? Yes, Paul.

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Speaker 3: You know, usually great college coaches that go to the pros flame out, they could always go right back to college because it worked. Like Nick Saban when it didn't work out with the Dolphins, there was a line to sign him when he went back. Steve Spurrier goes to Washington, doesn't work out. Who wouldn't want to bring in Steve Spurr. Does it not feel that way with Bill Belichick and the NFL, Like it feels like it's the flame out is too big right now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's because of his age too. Nobody's going to take on his seventy three year old guy. How long is he going to coach for? How enthusiastic is he?

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Speaker 3: I disagree a little bit because, like Pete Carroll gets another job, if Nick Saban announced today he wanted to work again, he would have fifty teams calling. I just think that the brand of Belichick has been so hurt the past year and a half that it's not even salvag role in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Well, Pete Carroll has enthusiasm. Pete Carroll, you know he looks alive. I mean, if Sabin went back, do I think he'd be successful? Well, how long? Where's he going? And you know the turnaround time. It's not like Mac Brown ran a terrible program there. They reached for the stars and they got Belichick. I don't think Bill was getting hired any other place. The Falcons didn't hire him Welkins, So I don't think he's I can't see him coming back and all of a sudden he's got magic to I just want to know if he's all in like that would be. It feels like they thought this was going to be easier than what it is and you're in the ACC. I mean it's not the SEC and it's not the Big Ten.

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Speaker 10: Yes, Marvin, I think post tom Brady, his reputation really took a hit right after Tom Brady left because a lot of people this is the great coach, Like, we don't want to put up with this if we don't have Tom Brady and win all these championships.

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Speaker 11: We're only putting up with this.

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Speaker 10: Because we know we'll get to a super Bowl or at least content for one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he doesn't have his quarterback. He brought in one that got injured. Now he's got Brad Johnson's son who's in there as well.

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Speaker 4: You're just watching it.

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Speaker 2: They just don't seem like there's any pulse, like there's no excitement. They almost feel that it gets to the inevitable. We're gonna lose, but by how much. But as far as Belichick, I'm going to give him the respect that he's coming back for one more year. But I don't know what his personal life is like. Is he excited about being a coach. That would be the one thing I would wonder. And you're bringing in all these transfers. It's hard to bring in transfer no matter if you're an established coach or not. Bill hasn't coached in college, not as a head coach, and you're bringing in seventy players, new players, and then a quick turnaround.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pulling Deon Sanders did this exact same game plan with transfers in twenty twenty three. They got a lot of pub They were only four and eight that year, but the following season he had a lot of talent. They were nine and four and for Colorado fans, nine wins. They were begging for that for fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're not exactly playing a you know, a tough schedule. You got your son as your quarterback, and you got Travis who is the best player in America. I mean they were going to improve and then they got an offensive line and then they were formidable. But this isn't happening with Bill. I mean, Dion's gonna sell now. He's got a personality. Bill doesn't have that. Bill doesn't He's not doing that. You're lucky to play for him. It's not he's lucky.

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Speaker 4: To have you. Aiden in Utah? Hi, Aiden? What's on your mind?

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Speaker 12: ADP? Good morning? I got two things real quick. First thing, Fritzy twenty thirteen Super Bowl Denver Seattle. When Seattle scores their seventh touchdown, how do you want Broncos radio network to react to that? You want them to have some enthusiasm.

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Speaker 6: They probably do not have enthusiasm. You have to recall it as it is.

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Speaker 5: But I understand the emotion has to be you know, you have to consider the emotion when you're doing a local game.

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Speaker 6: But there's got to be a little bit of a happy medium.

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Speaker 4: It's you're not getting out of this. You know that I'm not getting out of it. No, you're not.

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Speaker 6: You stuck that enthusiasm What I mean everyone's jumping on that.

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Speaker 4: Well, I was looking for the word there that you were finding the word. Okay.

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Speaker 5: Well then now somehow acknowledging a big play by the other team that but not enthusiastically. There's got to be another word for that, not reveling. You're not cheering for that to happen.

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Speaker 2: Rody in New Mexico. Hey, Rody, By the way, if Belichick would go to the Dolphins, then he could become the all time winning his coach while doing it with Don Shuler's team. If that would actually happen. Okay, Hey Rody, Hey Dan, good more, good morning.

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Speaker 9: So I got two things I'm allowed Fritzy, I'm a Denver Bronco fan. Last Friday he said I'm gonna watch Denver probably lose to the Eagles or something like that. We got to stick together, we got to have better attitudes. And another things, Dan, is the Chiefs are they getting Are they worse? Or is the rest of NFL learn how to play them to beat them.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that was a couple of years ago that they were going to keep everything defensive backs would keep everything in front of them. They weren't going to allow Tyreek Hill, you know, the speedsters to get behind. There weren't going to be these big plays. So they became a defensive defense first team, and they ran the ball and then it felt like Mahomes would figure something out late in the game and that was their recipe.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for the phone call, But yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Think that they defense has figured out this is the best way to be able to compete with Kansas City. Do I think Kansas City is still a very good team. I do, But that's a game that they should have won. They had their opportunities. Mahomes with a pick six, bad kickoff, and Jacksonville answered. Jacksonville, did that we something that we didn't expect them to do. They answered against the best quarterback in football. And that's saying a lot. And you know, maybe it's not as much Jacksonville as regressing. Maybe or the Chiefs are regressing Jacksonville. Maybe he is improving. You know, new coach was the offensive coordinator with Baker Mayfield, so maybe maybe you're seeing the beginnings of the Jags being a playoff team, a good team.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Paul the new coach to the Jaguars co and he caught a lot of heat with that first press conference, and it was like his bandwagon didn't last a day, and you know, like everyone's like, this guy is off putting. It's kind of it was.

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Speaker 4: It was awkward.

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Speaker 2: But also remember they didn't know if he was going in for the interview.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was kind of back and forth.

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Speaker 2: Buck Well, they didn't know where he was. And then he's not interviewing, and then he is interviewing, then he takes the job, and then he gets there and that opening press conference doom maaull.

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Speaker 3: He was goofy's but it's good when he's when you're winning, he's goofy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, let's see Kinsley in Indiana. Kinsley, Hi, hey Kinsley.

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Speaker 13: For ten eighty three pounds.

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Speaker 4: All right, what's on your mind? Kinsley?

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Speaker 13: I'm homesick with my dad watching the show. We're just calling to ask where you're going to be at the little game show?

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Speaker 12: What building?

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Speaker 4: Well, we're going to be outside.

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Speaker 2: Now you would probably have to take off from school, but we'll be outside of a pub called Legends, and that's right on campus there right by the stadium.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Paul I sent a sore throat coming later next week for Kinsley.

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Speaker 2: Sell it kid, if you would like to come out and say hello, that would be great. Kinsley.

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Speaker 13: We'll be on Fabreak that week.

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Speaker 2: All right, then you're good. We'll see you there in South Bend either Thursday or Friday. And thanks for calling, and I hope you feel better.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: All right, that's that's Kinsley.

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Speaker 6: That's adorable.

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Speaker 2: So thank you, Todd. We have two people who are going to show up. It'll be Kinsley and his dad, so two people will be in the audience.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Paul, do any of you guys? I know the answer. But have a memory where your dad pulled you out of school healthy to go see a game, a show, whatever it may be.

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Speaker 14: No, none, no, wow, All right back to you, Marvin, I know no, yeah, Mark, Marvin, definitely, definitely, yes, Todd.

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Speaker 6: I had the opposite happened to me.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to pitch in a little league game, but because I had a little cough and cold, my mom wouldn't let me go downstairs and pitching in a little league game, And.

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Speaker 6: I got to watch.

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Speaker 5: I could see the little field from my apartment building, watching us lose thirty two to two in.

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Speaker 6: The game that I was was repitching it.

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Speaker 4: You could have shut him down.

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Speaker 5: We probably still would have got killed, but it wouldn't have been thirty two to two. I could assure you of that.

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Speaker 4: You were Clayton Kershaw before Clayton Kershaw, weren't you.

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Speaker 6: I had my moments.

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Speaker 5: I struck out eighteen bats in a six inning game once I lost three to one because I hit some bat as I walked the through to whatever did go all the out of strikeouts though.

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Speaker 2: Mariners at the Tigers, Today, Blue Jays at the Yankees, and the Yankees down two.

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Speaker 4: Springing.

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Speaker 2: Christopher mad Dog Russo host a mad Dog Unleashed on Sirius XM channel eighty two, and he's also on First Take. You can usually see him on First Take every Wednesday with Steven a and Tomorrow the season finale of Vice TV's NFL Classics.

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Speaker 4: Upon further review.

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Speaker 2: Nine Eastern, it'll be Phil Simms with Kyle Brentant discussing the Super Bowl between the Giants and the Broncos. Chris, good to see you again. Finish this sentence. If the Yankees get swept, what.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, big embarrassment. Good job, Danny, why's a pleasure? Bull's going nowhere? I think you could have made a case if they had lost the Red Sox again, then maybe despite his contract extension, you could have made that case. You know, he's had a lot of injuries. He navigated the team pretty well. Good job there by beating Boston. You know, maybe they ran into a bus soil here. You know, I'm the Yankees will probably chuck it up to you know, they were in a hole. Next year they got the young pitcher in Shittler throwing cole back. You still have Wrdawn sitting there with Freed. You know they'd be a little better off. But again, this would be another year where the Yankees don't, you know, go they here's the bottom line. Since two thousand and nine, they won one World Series game.

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Speaker 7: That's it. I mean, you can debate this anytime you want.

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Speaker 17: This is the Yankees, who have the biggest payroll in baseball and right there with the Dodgers, and they've won one World Series game in fifteen years, and chances are they won't win another one this year.

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Speaker 7: Because I do think you and I probably you love the baseball.

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Speaker 17: I think the Blue Jays will probably figure out a way to win another game, and then the Yankees are going to lose the divisional series to Toronto and that is going to sting.

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Speaker 7: But I don't think there's going to be any drastic changes.

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Speaker 17: I think they're relatively pleased with how the year went based on losing Coal Boone. The fans don't like Boone, but the Yankee brass loves them. So if imagine he's a good representative for them of you know, his good media guy. He sends the message correctly, he listens to what they wanted to do, so he's not going anywhere either.

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Speaker 7: I think they're chalcoling up.

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Speaker 17: They ran into a buzzsaw in his Blue Jay team.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned this in the first hour of the show. There have been one hundred and eighty nine pitches of at least one hundred miles per hour in the postseason.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Yes, that's where we're headed. That is That is analytics, correct.

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Speaker 7: That is analytics, Danny. And there's too many relievers.

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Speaker 17: You know, it was so much fun to see Scruble against Cleveland early in that series because he went seven eight innings. Cloche against the Yankees when he pitched him to the bottom of the eighth last week. The entertainment aspect of baseball, we've lost it. You and I grew up with Gibson with sever You maybe with Kofax, not me, but you maybe with Kofax. Where you saw these big pitchers go out there and have to navigate a lineup the.

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Speaker 7: Third time through.

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Speaker 17: Jim Palmer's another one, catfish Hunter, and that was always fun to see the big Hall of Famer how he gets through.

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Speaker 7: You know that big three, four, five.

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Speaker 17: In the lineup in the eighth and ninth inning, and you don't have that anymore.

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Speaker 7: I mean, look it, what look of what has occurred here?

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Speaker 17: I mean the Yankees took out heel bottom of the third the other night with two outs. I mean, the kid had a no hitter about the top of the sixth the other day in Toronto, in the sixth inning, and they took them out of.

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Speaker 7: The game after seventy eight pitches.

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Speaker 17: Boyd got taken out of the game against the in Game one against San Diego after fifty eight pitches.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's just the way it is. It's unfortunate.

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Speaker 17: They've ruled the aspect of it, the entertainment aspect of it. You and I and most fans can't pick out You can't pick these relievers out of a lineup, yet they dominate these games in a sixth, seventh, eighth and ninth inning. You know, it is the way it is it's you know, baseball needs to fix it.

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Speaker 7: I don't know how they're going to do it.

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Speaker 17: The analytics have become more important than the entertainment aspect of the sport, and it's a problem.

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Speaker 7: That's why it was good to see the Yankee.

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Speaker 17: Right hander pitch in the eighth inning, ninth inning in Game three, win eight innings in that game.

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Speaker 7: There's something different. It was something fun again. The great pitcher, the starter.

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Speaker 17: Watching him perform late in these playoff games when you and I were growing up was theater. And we've lost out in the sport and it's a major problem, and Baseball knows it.

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure what they can do about it, though they know it. They know it's a problem.

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Speaker 2: But you know, the dog your starting staff has been great. It's their bullpen that's terrible, terrible they're starting and that has been unbelievable, right.

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Speaker 7: And that's you know, that's the weakness that the Dodgers have.

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Speaker 17: I was lose surprised last night in bringing a kid from Japan living earlier in that ninth inning, you think he wanted to try trying to see if he can get three outs with a three one lead, so to get him back on track.

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Speaker 7: But Snell comes out after six innings. But if the Dodgers have a buggaboo, that's it. If the Dodgers are going to lose, it's going to be that you know.

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Speaker 17: Eighth, ninth, seventh innings where they're gonna lose a terrible game.

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Speaker 7: And last night could have been that game.

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Speaker 17: I mean last night, I mean, let's face it, Snell comes out, they got a four up in lead, and you know, if they don't make a great play in that bunt, who knows, they might lose a historically bad game blowing a full one lead in the ninth, and maybe they show some vulnerability together a little nervous Philadelphia feels good about themselves.

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Speaker 7: They get to split it home.

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Speaker 17: And you know, we have a situation where the Dodgers gonna get kicked off. Now you know they're up to Oh, they're going to figure out a way to win another game and they're.

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Speaker 7: Gonna win that series.

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Speaker 17: The Dodgers issue, as you just said, is that short relief in that seventh, eighth and ninth inning. And now we'll see maybe this twenty one year old is going to be the answer. They spend the game two on and fifty million, and he did a great job in Game one, so maybe they have corrected that too. I mean the Dodgers are you know, they don't. They're a great team. I mean, Dan, think about their team. They are top three in the lineup, is tremendous. Then you got Taoscar Hernandez, kik Hernandez gets big hits, Will Smith, who's hurt.

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Speaker 7: We all know how good he is. Let's throw on Max Muncy.

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Speaker 17: And then they have, you know, guys like snell Yamamoto, Old tany Oh.

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Speaker 7: And by the way, here's Glasno making two in a million a pitch him in Game four. I mean, they are a great, great team.

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Speaker 4: Let's be honest talking to you.

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Speaker 2: Christopher mad Dog Russo mad Dog unleashed on Sirius XM channel eighty two and he is one of the host co hosts of ESPN's First Take. I thought about you on this topic that we use championships as a metric for greatness for quarterbacks and NBA players, but we don't do that for baseball players.

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Speaker 4: Why yeah, I.

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Speaker 17: Mean, because you know Ted Williams never won a title, but he only gets up four times a game, and is it his fault?

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Speaker 7: That they never had any tremendous starting pitching.

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Speaker 17: You know, cob never won a title with Detroit, and he's one of the all time greats.

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Speaker 7: Never won a title, lost a couple of World Series. Yeah, I mean it is a little tricky. I mean, you know Madden, he never won a championship with the Yankees.

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Speaker 17: I think it's because the pitcher dominates so much. So if we look at baseball from from an eight man perspective, we don't look at it that.

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Speaker 7: Way because there's not as much impact they can have on a game.

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Speaker 17: With the baseball debate about the great Hall of Famer in the big spot, we do with the pitching because he's going to get the ball a couple of times in a short series. And that is where I have always had some trouble with Kershaw because Kershaw he's won of I and Kershaw is a tremendous regular season pitcher, but if you look at Kershaw in the postseason.

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Speaker 7: He's been very mediocre.

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Speaker 17: He's got a four to four to five ERA, he's given up thirty home runs in his postseason starts, and he has never been a great postseason performer.

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Speaker 7: That is the one.

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Speaker 17: Guy that you can label like the quarterback, like the center in basketball, that for whatever the reason, his regular season prowess doesn't translate into the postseason. And he did win a title in twenty twenty in the in the pandemic and beat Tampa, and he pitched pretty well in that run. He pitched good in Game five. But we don't look at it the same way because the everyday player Danny, as you know, doesn't have the same influence on a game as the starting pitcher has. So when we look at it in baseball, if you want to grade the starting you know, Maddix was never great in the postseason.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 17: Three, seven, four, lifetime, all right, never great in a postseason.

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Speaker 7: And that's why a guy like Smolts and that's.

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Speaker 17: Why a guy like you know, to a certain degree shilling, that's why you know you'd like to have them in a big game because you're confidence in them in a big spot. Their regular season isn't as good, but you know what a big game you can rely on it. So I think it's more the pitcher that you discussed more than the everyday player.

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Speaker 2: I got into it with Peter King. We kind of went back and forth on the Hall of Fame and we were talking about, you know, that is Russell Wilson playing himself out of the Hall of Fame, And I said, you know, Matthew Stafford has one Super Bowl win and I think he was a pro bowler one time. Russ got to two Super Bowls and he was a pro bowler ten times. So his regular season stats are better than Eli Mannings. But so it feels Manning's going in. People don't debate that, but Russ is playing his way out of the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 4: Do you agree.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, that's a very that's going to be a very close vote. I think that pass hurts him too. The interception against the Patriots. You know, with Malcolm Butler one of the worst.

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Speaker 7: It hurts Pete Carroll.

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Speaker 17: It's one of the worst players of all time, and he throws a pick which would't won a Super Bowl. I think that is a little bit of a factor. You know, he's been on a million teams. Now, you know, Denver didn't work well, the Giants hasn't worked well, Pittsburgh didn't work well, ended poorly in Seattle. I think that's a problem too. I think your point about Stafford is fair. He's very underrated historically. I mean he was on a bad Detroit team. I understand, you know, God played well for the Lions, but he was on a bad Lions team.

00:27:38
Speaker 7: He's done a great job for the Rams. He plays well in big games.

00:27:42
Speaker 17: You know last year they had the Eagles beat he played great, played well in the Super Bowl, played well two years ago in Detroit in the playoff game. Stafford's very underrated historically, and he's going to be a Hall of Famer. And Manning, Danny is about five games, Let's be honest. Manning is about a game in two games in Green Bay. It's about a game in San Francisco, and it's a two games against Brady.

00:28:05
Speaker 7: That is Manning's career.

00:28:06
Speaker 17: Now, five heroic games beat Brady, especially the second one you know, got beat up against the Niners was great, you know, green Bay and minus two degree weather, he out played far he and he won two titles.

00:28:21
Speaker 7: So and he did it in New York, which you know is a big factor too.

00:28:26
Speaker 17: Very few quarterbacks outside of Plunkett, you know who didn't get He's not going to make the Hall of Fame. But if you win two Super Bowls, chances all you're gonna make it.

00:28:34
Speaker 7: And he did it in New York, and he beat Brady twice. But his career, if.

00:28:38
Speaker 17: You look at Manning and you be fair about it, his career comes down to five games.

00:28:42
Speaker 7: Now they're postseason games. They come down to five games.

00:28:45
Speaker 17: Wilson's a better regular season quarterback than Manning, but not the postseason success. Stafford is a better quarterback than Manning, but not the postseason success too. And you and I probably if my life came down to it, I would definitely take Stafford over Manning. Would you take Wilson over Manning? Game the win field life? Who would you take Wilson or Manning? I'd probably take Manning. I probably would.

00:29:15
Speaker 4: Well, let me throw this out.

00:29:17
Speaker 2: I wouldn't take it, stef If David Tyree doesn't make that catch, Chris, they don't win the game.

00:29:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, so like that's he didn't go to the Hall of Fame.

00:29:26
Speaker 7: I agree with you. Excellent play and the and the.

00:29:30
Speaker 2: And the first win in the Super Bowl was the defensive front. They crushed.

00:29:34
Speaker 7: That was it. Yeah, they and he won the MVP in that game, Manning.

00:29:38
Speaker 2: And yeah, but he shouldn't have been you know, that should be in the defensive line.

00:29:41
Speaker 17: Absolutely, very much like Grady's first year against Saint Louis.

00:29:45
Speaker 7: Yes, he shouldn't have won the MVP either, ven A Terry could have wonted.

00:29:49
Speaker 17: The defense did a great job on Warner, but the quarterback gets to break.

00:29:52
Speaker 7: But you are one hundred percent right.

00:29:55
Speaker 17: You can make a very strong case that David Tyree is the reason.

00:30:01
Speaker 7: Eli's going to be in the Hall of Fame.

00:30:03
Speaker 17: Yeah, because one super Bowl would not do it.

00:30:05
Speaker 7: It would have.

00:30:06
Speaker 17: Taken It needs the eaty, his body of work needs a second title, and he got it, and he got it.

00:30:12
Speaker 7: That turned out to be his first title, but he got it. Now.

00:30:15
Speaker 17: He did a great job in the play. He dodged the rush. He you know, he found the open man. He did score two touchdowns in the fourth quarter with his offense. They would you know it was what was the score? I think it was seven to three, maybe whatever the score was. I mean he did have two drives in the fourth quarter, Kevin boss Court, the t you know.

00:30:33
Speaker 7: The tight end quarter pass.

00:30:34
Speaker 17: But you're right one hundred percent now, But that goes back to the original question.

00:30:39
Speaker 7: You had a game of Dan Patrick had a game for his life. Would you take Manning or would you take Russell Wilson.

00:30:52
Speaker 2: If if I get Russ Seattle, Seattle, Russ, I would take.

00:30:57
Speaker 17: Him because of his run and things like that.

00:31:00
Speaker 2: Yes, he was the best player on the field in that game, that Super Bowl that he lost.

00:31:05
Speaker 4: New England had no answer for him. He was unbelievable in that game.

00:31:09
Speaker 2: And it's you know, do you agree that Pete Carroll and Darryl Beble wanted him to be the MVP and not Marshawn Lynch.

00:31:16
Speaker 4: You call the pass.

00:31:18
Speaker 2: Play, it's like we blame Russell instead of crediting Malcolm Butler with an unbelievable play and Russ, why you would call that instead of a run pass option, Like I don't know, I don't understand it.

00:31:33
Speaker 4: But you know.

00:31:34
Speaker 7: If you well, Pete Carroll, I agree with you on that point. Pete Carroll's a number one goat of that game. It's not Wilson.

00:31:41
Speaker 17: I mean, they called the wrong play and they got more Shawn Lynch sitting there, So you're one hundred percent right.

00:31:47
Speaker 7: Wilson is not that, but he's number two or Bevil's too. Take your pick.

00:31:51
Speaker 17: The coaches are one and then the quarterbacks two. But I think that your other point is a good point. I think they're a look at mat but he had a bad back.

00:32:01
Speaker 7: But you get the idea. Sometimes how you.

00:32:04
Speaker 17: End your career, if you're a borderline Hall of Famer, is more important than what you did in your career. And Wilson is going to end his career, you know, in a way that is not impressive, and that is going to be your lasting memory of him against you know, the Steelers and the Giants and Denver and Peyton and Sean Payton got him out of there, and he didn't finish well in Seattle, and I think because of that, we seem to forget for an eight or.

00:32:33
Speaker 7: Nine year period he was a great quarterback, and you are right, he was.

00:32:36
Speaker 17: Great, but the last three or four, four or five he's been very average. Manning ended his career with the same team, and the lasting impression of Manning in a lot of ways and Troy Aikman, we even brought it up last night, was the Mario manningham pass which beat Brady. He mentioned it in the game last night. So as a result of that, I.

00:33:00
Speaker 7: Think that you know, I think Manning, you know, you don't have a bad taste in your mouth. Now, do you agree with me go back to pitching for a second.

00:33:09
Speaker 6: Now.

00:33:09
Speaker 17: I know everybody loves Kershaw, but do you agree with me that Kershaw's postseason almost gets forgotten because he's been so good in the regular season and the average baseball fan doesn't realize that he's been a bad postseason pitcher. You think I'm being too harsh there, or do you think there's a good point to be made.

00:33:26
Speaker 2: I heard you say this on your show and it felt like you were going out of your way to it.

00:33:32
Speaker 7: Did you felt that? Yeah?

00:33:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, Maddix and Glavin weren't good postseason pitchers. I agree, and we don't mention that very often about those two guys. And Maddix won three hundred and fifty four games, I mean Kershaw, Yes, that that is bad, bad numbers, bad numbers, but when you win that title, I mean, Maddox, they won one World Series, so that's it.

00:33:58
Speaker 4: I mean, Hershaw just I don't understand this.

00:34:02
Speaker 2: There's certain guys that were great in the postseason and they were good in you know, Jack Morris or Smoltz or Shilling. They just love the moment and I you know, I just have great appreciation for them. But yeah, it did feel like you were.

00:34:17
Speaker 7: Well, I gotta be careful with that. Dad just said that.

00:34:19
Speaker 17: I take when you tell me that, I'll be careful and I'll be fair about Kershaw.

00:34:23
Speaker 7: And well, I know you got to run, but I'll be fair on Kershaw. You know the old eye.

00:34:27
Speaker 17: You know what happened in Game five in twenty and seventeen again juice, I mean, supposedly that's when the Astros are cheating folks with your cans. And supposedly they laid to Tom Praducci to me this, and he would know. Supposedly they laid off thirty eight sliders in the game and he got bombed. In that game they lost thirteen twelve. They laid off thirty eight sliders. Now did they lay off thirty eight sliders or they know where they were coming. If that's the case, maybe you give Kershaw a big break. I don't know how you feel about it, but that's Chris.

00:34:58
Speaker 2: I ran into somebody who in the Astros organization this summer and he said that Kershaw was tipping his pitches. So yes, he said, we knew because I talked about the cheating. He goes, No, Kershaw, who's tipping his pitches? I said, but you guys still cheat it. He said, yes, yes, well.

00:35:20
Speaker 17: Then you gotta trust So then the question becomes, do you trust a guy who told you that or is he trying to protect his team from not taking something away from that?

00:35:29
Speaker 4: Great, it is great to see you. Thanks again for.

00:35:37
Speaker 2: That's Christopher mad Dog Russo you'll see him on First Take tomorrow Mad Dog Unleashed Serious XM eight two, also part of the NFL Classics Upon further Review on Vice TV at nine am EA nine pm Eastern tomorrow with Phil Simms and Kyle Brandt. Take a break, last call for phone calls, what we learn, what's in store tomorrow after this.

00:35:58
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00:36:10
Speaker 2: We started out the show, we were talking about Lebron James. He's going to make his quote unquote second decision and would this be.

00:36:17
Speaker 4: About his retirement and I was saying.

00:36:21
Speaker 2: No, this is going to be something that is product related. Well, here is Lebron James talking about making his second decision.

00:36:31
Speaker 18: Well, everyone's on pens and needles. Across the country. You ready to go, Lebron, where's the powder left it at home? Lebron? Fans want to know where you're taking your talents this year. What's your decision In it's fall, man, this is tough.

00:36:48
Speaker 1: In it's fall, I'm going to be taking my talents to HENNESSYVSOP VSOP.

00:36:55
Speaker 18: And this was the conclusion you woke up with this morning.

00:36:57
Speaker 11: That was a conclusion I woke up with this morning.

00:37:00
Speaker 10: Why I feel like it's gonna give me the best opportunity to win more at hosting.

00:37:04
Speaker 11: Not only that, win a signature cocktails. We're not having a good time. We had a pressing guests, ween at.

00:37:11
Speaker 10: Making memory, we at making it look easy, win at leaving people wanting more.

00:37:22
Speaker 2: Hmm Okay, well it went as I thought it would. That they would kind of mock the Jim Gray decision and when he took his talents to South Beach, so kind of went as scripted. Didn't know what the product was going to be. But now it's it's Hennessy.

00:37:42
Speaker 4: Okay.

00:37:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, Paul had the opposite effect on me and pick up some more Hennessy after the show. It worked if I could buy more and buy.

00:37:51
Speaker 4: More okay, all right, Uh, Marvin, how would you grade that?

00:37:59
Speaker 11: Laugh?

00:38:03
Speaker 4: Todd? How about you?

00:38:04
Speaker 6: Yeah? I found it a little cringey. Didn't love it.

00:38:06
Speaker 4: Yeah, seating exactly what thought it was going to be. Yeah. Yeah, he's not announcing his retirement like this. Slightly embarrassed for even paying attention to it. Really from being here. Yeah yeah. As soon as he started, you know, they did the well where's the powder?

00:38:27
Speaker 2: I no, okay, Well, you know, maybe Hennessy's getting what they wanted. You got publicity here, yes, Mormon.

00:38:36
Speaker 11: I know Michael Jordan wouldn't do this, couldn't help us.

00:38:44
Speaker 4: Sorry, alrighty.

00:38:47
Speaker 2: Final results of the poll questions, Seaton, if you'll run through those this day in Sports History, last call for phone calls. Mike Greenberg. Greeney is going to join us on the program tomorrow, Get Up and Uh. Jimmy Raw former Philly he's doing some TV work while rooting for the Phillies during the Phillies Dodgers series, So he'll join us, all.

00:39:08
Speaker 4: Right, Satan.

00:39:10
Speaker 8: Seventy percent of the audience, Ay, Trevor Lawrence's career is going to be disappointing rather than great, and next fall, Bill Belichick will be unemployed. That's fifty two millions, followed by working in the media.

00:39:25
Speaker 4: I don't get that.

00:39:27
Speaker 2: I guess maybe in a studio role, but can't see him breaking down games during a game moves too quick.

00:39:36
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:39:37
Speaker 8: Do you think Bill Belichick in that situation would be more likely to be fired or quit if he's no longer at North Carolina.

00:39:46
Speaker 4: Uh, it'll be a buyout.

00:39:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, So maybe a combination of we don't want you, okay, pay me, and then I'll leave.

00:39:57
Speaker 5: Yes, Tom, Yeah, I see that mutual parting of ways, which we all know was never fifty to fifty down the middle of that.

00:40:02
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:40:03
Speaker 2: I just don't know how much enthusiasm he has for this. I just I never get that feeling.

00:40:09
Speaker 4: You know.

00:40:10
Speaker 2: It's priorities appear to have changed a little bit this day in sports history, Paul, just.

00:40:16
Speaker 3: One of our favorites. Nineteen eighteen, Georgia Tech football beat Cumberland College two hundred and twenty two to zero. Georgia Tech ran the ball every play for nine hundred and seventy eight yards, not one.

00:40:26
Speaker 2: Pass, okay, and then they named the Heisman after John Heisman, who was the head coach at Georgia Tech.

00:40:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, front runner.

00:40:35
Speaker 2: What happened to sportsmanship? Yes, like John Heisman scheduled Cumberland College.

00:40:42
Speaker 3: Cumberly got a payout check though big payout.

00:40:44
Speaker 2: Oh they did ah huge? Yeah yeah, yeah they're nil. Players didn't step up back then, Todd? Would you learn today?

00:40:52
Speaker 5: You don't know how good his team is going to be, but you're calling it seven five point center?

00:40:56
Speaker 6: Wendy will be the NBA MVP this coming season.

00:41:00
Speaker 2: Well, you know what I forgot that? I said Luka don Chik would be the MVP, so I have to go with that. But Wemby will finish second, all right, Seaton stumble Rooskie is a new play. Yeah, the stumble Rooski. Marvin, what did you learn?

00:41:14
Speaker 11: Apparently going to a cookout is a punishment?

00:41:19
Speaker 4: Paul? What did you learn?

00:41:21
Speaker 3: It's Tennessee time?

00:41:22
Speaker 4: Yeah, Todd, what did I learn?

00:41:25
Speaker 6: We all learned?

00:41:25
Speaker 5: You got caught up in Cooper flagging all the NBA preseason action last night that was going on.

00:41:29
Speaker 2: Have a great day, everybody. We'll be back tomorrow. Dan Patrick's Show,