Ep:200 The Blinking Fog

<v Speaker 1>So I'm sitting there, going do I bring this up
<v Speaker 1>to my dad?
<v Speaker 2>Because I'm either going to get an earful or he's
<v Speaker 2>not going to believe me. I kept going, all right,
<v Speaker 2>do I bring this up? And I was I was
<v Speaker 2>trying to get up the courage to ask him, because, like.
<v Speaker 1>I said, he's a great guy.
<v Speaker 2>But I was like, I don't know if I want
<v Speaker 2>to get an earful here or not. And I finally
<v Speaker 2>got the courage and I'm like, Dad, Man, I got
<v Speaker 2>to ask you something, did you?
<v Speaker 1>And he goes, did you see the fog too?
<v Speaker 2>This morning? And I'm like, you're freaking kidding me, man,
<v Speaker 2>Like you saw it? And so it was almost like
<v Speaker 2>he was waiting for me to bring it up. Once
<v Speaker 2>I brought it up, He's like, you saw the blinking fogs?
<v Speaker 1>Who didn't you?
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, you're freaking kidding me, Yeah I did.
<v Speaker 2>And so we started talking comparing notes. He said the
<v Speaker 2>same thing. It was this dull gray. It definitely wasn't bright,
<v Speaker 2>but it was this on off, same cadence and everything,
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, what the heck is that? And
<v Speaker 2>he's like, Chris, I don't know. Man.
<v Speaker 3>At the end of each episode, I like to remind
<v Speaker 3>people that there's something in the woods, and sometimes that's
<v Speaker 3>not Bigfoot. There's other things out there that people experience
<v Speaker 3>that we don't have an explanation for that hasn't been proven,
<v Speaker 3>but that doesn't make them any less real. And my
<v Speaker 3>guest on this episode is a person that has experienced
<v Speaker 3>one of those things that has really intrigued me, and
<v Speaker 3>I was fortunate enough to have him agree to come
<v Speaker 3>on and talk about it. Chris, Welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads.
<v Speaker 1>I Matt, thanks for having me man.
<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate the opportunity to share my experience and
<v Speaker 2>see if anyone else has experienced this as well.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so before we get to that, you're a listener
<v Speaker 3>and enjoyer, I hope a Bigfoot podcast around the internet.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, sir, listen to them all the time.
<v Speaker 3>Boy, got you interested in that?
<v Speaker 1>Oh?
<v Speaker 2>Good question. So my dad is kind of an outdoorsy
<v Speaker 2>guy and loved all the National Geographic and all those
<v Speaker 2>kind of mystery things growing up, and I just remember
<v Speaker 2>him watching a documentary on the Patterson Gimblin film and
<v Speaker 2>watching the film and being like, Wow, what if something's
<v Speaker 2>out there like that? And so that was when I
<v Speaker 2>was a kid. I don't know, probably eight or less.
<v Speaker 2>Hard to say, but it would probably been in the
<v Speaker 2>late eighties early nineties when I saw it and piqued
<v Speaker 2>my interests. I've been curious about it ever since, ever since.
<v Speaker 1>So that's where it started.
<v Speaker 3>Now, did you have experiences growing up or anything with
<v Speaker 3>you know, what I call the unexplained paranormal cryptids and
<v Speaker 3>anything like that.
<v Speaker 2>A good question. No, I really haven't. The experience we're
<v Speaker 2>going to talk about is really the only thing I
<v Speaker 2>can think of that ever was like weird enough to mention.
<v Speaker 2>So now I didn't have any paranormal anything happened growing up? Nope.
<v Speaker 3>I think that's important to mention, you know. I like
<v Speaker 3>to point out that sometimes there are people out there
<v Speaker 3>who they'll experience something, or they'll have like kind of
<v Speaker 3>a lifelong thing going on where they experience one thing
<v Speaker 3>after another, or sometimes they experience something and then they
<v Speaker 3>start experiencing other things. But then every once in a
<v Speaker 3>while that's not the case. Sometimes there's a person who's like, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>nothing ever happened until this happened. That's it, and that's
<v Speaker 3>kind of where you're at. And so yeah, let's just
<v Speaker 3>get right into it walk us through everything. You know,
<v Speaker 3>what was going on that day, what you were doing,
<v Speaker 3>and what you experienced.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, sir, Yes, sir.
<v Speaker 2>At any point you want me to clarify or have
<v Speaker 2>a question, please interrupt me. I don't mind.
<v Speaker 1>So I grew up in a small town.
<v Speaker 2>In northwestern Illinois.
<v Speaker 1>It's called Sulton, Illinois if you look it up.
<v Speaker 2>It's around the Missippi River right on the Highway Illinois border.
<v Speaker 2>So I like to joke that I'm a redneck and
<v Speaker 2>a river rat combined. But my dad and I we
<v Speaker 2>would hunt and fish like in all our spare time.
<v Speaker 2>So I grew up more in concrete with him, and
<v Speaker 2>then in our free time we'd go hunting fishing. So
<v Speaker 2>my dad was just loved being out in the woods
<v Speaker 2>and he'd take me with him. So deer hunting, square
<v Speaker 2>hunt and rabbit and all that stuff basically spent my childhood.
<v Speaker 2>If I wasn't playing sports or in school, that's what
<v Speaker 2>me and him were doing. So but anyway, so this
<v Speaker 2>would have been the time frame I would have been
<v Speaker 2>in college, so it was somewhere between. If I had
<v Speaker 2>a guess, November two thousand and four or November two
<v Speaker 2>thousand and five, it was opening a week of deer season.
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember which specific day it was, but in
<v Speaker 2>Illinois first season back then, I believe it was a Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
<v Speaker 2>and it would have been one of those days. And
<v Speaker 2>so it took place north of where I grew up,
<v Speaker 2>in a really small town called Mount Carroll, Illinois. If
<v Speaker 2>you look it up on a map, it's off Skunk
<v Speaker 2>Hollow Road up in Mount Carroll, Illinois.
<v Speaker 1>So kind of cool.
<v Speaker 2>Have you heard of it?
<v Speaker 3>I have not, But Skunk Callow Road is an interesting name.
<v Speaker 2>Wow? Cool? All right? Why is that?
<v Speaker 1>Why does that jump out to you?
<v Speaker 3>Back in the day, whenever I was going out with
<v Speaker 3>hitting boots on the ground research, one of the things
<v Speaker 3>we would look at geographically was place names, old place names,
<v Speaker 3>specifically hollows and roads and things like that. And skunk
<v Speaker 3>is one of the things that we'd look for because
<v Speaker 3>we found that sometimes those places were named that because
<v Speaker 3>people always smelled skunks whenever they were in the area.
<v Speaker 3>And sometimes it's not a skunk, so I just yeah, no, head, devil, monkey.
<v Speaker 3>Those were all names that we would look for to
<v Speaker 3>look for potential bigfoot areas.
<v Speaker 1>That's awesome, that's really cool. I never thought of that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, yeah, So my dad was very.
<v Speaker 1>Passionate about deer hunting. It was like the thing he
<v Speaker 1>loved to do most.
<v Speaker 2>He's still alive, he's in his late seventies, but his
<v Speaker 2>memory is starting to fade a little bit. So at
<v Speaker 2>least I've asked him some of these questions along the
<v Speaker 2>way too. I can interject what his thoughts were along
<v Speaker 2>the way. But anyway, so in that time, so my
<v Speaker 2>dad was very passionate, and so like we'd be up
<v Speaker 2>at two thirty in the more because we have you know,
<v Speaker 2>I'd got to be in the timber at like four
<v Speaker 2>point thirty. You know, I did not spook anything away.
<v Speaker 2>He was one of those guys, which I certainly appreciate
<v Speaker 2>about him. But so we get out there super early dark.
<v Speaker 2>We'd be walking out there with little flashlights or or
<v Speaker 2>red lights on just to get out there and wait,
<v Speaker 2>and we'd sit for hours before the sunrise would come up.
<v Speaker 2>And that's what happened this morning. So I get up
<v Speaker 2>in this deer stand and so we're probably hunting. It's
<v Speaker 2>probably a fifty acre property or so something like that.
<v Speaker 2>I would guess forty acres was a cornfield, and then
<v Speaker 2>there were ten acres of timber, but the entire field
<v Speaker 2>or the property we were on had timber like basically
<v Speaker 2>all around it in kind of a U shape. And
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, we're hunting ten acres, but we were kind
<v Speaker 2>of waiting for all the deer. So what I guess
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to say is it was really remote for
<v Speaker 2>at least northwestern Illinois. It's about as remote, I think,
<v Speaker 2>as you could probably get.
<v Speaker 1>And so I would hunt at one end.
<v Speaker 2>My dad was at the other end, if I had
<v Speaker 2>to guess, we were probably three hundred yards apart, maybe
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more. And so I'm sitting in the
<v Speaker 2>stand that day, and I was at the bottom of
<v Speaker 2>this hill looking up at the hillside, so my back
<v Speaker 2>was the cornfield, and I was right on the edge
<v Speaker 2>of the timber, looking up into the timber, which would
<v Speaker 2>have been probably I don't know, seventy five or one
<v Speaker 2>hundred yards up to the crest of the top of
<v Speaker 2>the hill, and it had to be the sun had
<v Speaker 2>not been hadn't risen yet, So it's kind of that.
<v Speaker 1>Twilight I guess we would call it.
<v Speaker 2>If I had to guess, I don't know, five thirty
<v Speaker 2>six o'clock something like that, and when it was just
<v Speaker 2>starting to get the coloration in the sky, I mean
<v Speaker 2>just barely the light.
<v Speaker 1>And then there was a fog rolling in.
<v Speaker 2>And I had seen fog plenty of times up there,
<v Speaker 2>it was not uncommon. But what was weird about this
<v Speaker 2>one was as it was rolling in, it kind of
<v Speaker 2>rolled i'll say, down the hill. It covered the whole hillside,
<v Speaker 2>and it would blink very dimly as it went down
<v Speaker 2>the hill. And so I'm looking up there and I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>am I really seeing what I'm seeing? This whole hillside
<v Speaker 2>would blink, and so the cadence was something like it
<v Speaker 2>would blink on off, on, off, on off about that tempo,
<v Speaker 2>and it was weird. And I remember looking around going
<v Speaker 2>is there a blinking light around here? And you know,
<v Speaker 2>mattis again, as far as this place is concerned, it's
<v Speaker 2>pretty remote, man. Yeah, there's farmhouses, but I couldn't see
<v Speaker 2>anything but one farmhouse and it was like a mile
<v Speaker 2>behind me, three quarters.
<v Speaker 1>Of a mile to a mile behind me.
<v Speaker 2>And it was one of those old, crappy like probably
<v Speaker 2>sodium fluorescene or sodium lights that we had barely I
<v Speaker 2>mean it was barely on, but it wasn't but it
<v Speaker 2>wasn't flashing, and that was the only thing I could see.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm looking around and I'm like, what is this again?
<v Speaker 2>It was dim, It was not bright at all. If
<v Speaker 2>I had to guess, it was like gray, just like
<v Speaker 2>the color of the mist or the miss the fog,
<v Speaker 2>I guess, And again off on, I don't know, five
<v Speaker 2>minutes at most, probably is at least three minutes maybe
<v Speaker 2>five minutes total about waste height, and it just kind of,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, rolled down the hill and I just
<v Speaker 2>could not see a light. I had no idea what
<v Speaker 2>was going on. And so I was like, is that
<v Speaker 2>fog really blinking? Am I losing it? Is it my
<v Speaker 2>heart beat?
<v Speaker 1>Because it was almost like my heart beating, And I'm like.
<v Speaker 2>Is it blood flow to my eyes? I mean, I couldn't.
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't really place it. But then I'm like, why
<v Speaker 2>has this never happened before? I've been in the timber,
<v Speaker 2>you know, hundreds, if not thousands of times that early
<v Speaker 2>and never had an issue, you know. So I was like,
<v Speaker 2>there's something unique about that. So I wouldn't say it
<v Speaker 2>freaked me out, but it was pretty eerie to be
<v Speaker 2>like what the heck is that it to like pause
<v Speaker 2>and go, um, I believing what I'm seeing here? You
<v Speaker 2>know that sort of thing. So yeah, so fast forward.
<v Speaker 2>I get you'd have to know my dad to understand
<v Speaker 2>what I'm about to say. But my dad is a
<v Speaker 2>wonderful guy, a good dude, blue collar, hard worker, like
<v Speaker 2>his integrity is everything to him, and.
<v Speaker 1>He didn't tolerate.
<v Speaker 2>He would listen to everything I had, but lying and
<v Speaker 2>making up stuff was not his bag.
<v Speaker 1>That was definitely something he instilled in me. And so
<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting there going do I bring this up to
<v Speaker 1>my dad?
<v Speaker 2>Because I'm either going to get an earfull or he's
<v Speaker 2>not gonna believe me. And on the other side of that,
<v Speaker 2>he'd make fun of me a little bit, and in
<v Speaker 2>a good way, like that was our that's our relationship,
<v Speaker 2>joking and kind of picking and poking at each other.
<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, do I want to take the laughter
<v Speaker 2>that's going to come if I tell him what I
<v Speaker 2>just saw? So all morning I didn't see it deer
<v Speaker 2>that day, but all morning I kept going, all right,
<v Speaker 2>do I bring this up? Because usually around noon or so,
<v Speaker 2>I would go down to his stand and he had
<v Speaker 2>this huge built up scaffolding stand that he built and
<v Speaker 2>then we just go down and sit in the stand
<v Speaker 2>and talk to ear and look for deer and just
<v Speaker 2>hang out and stuff, you know. But so I went
<v Speaker 2>down at lunch and I was I was trying to
<v Speaker 2>get up the courage to ask him, because, like.
<v Speaker 1>I said, he's a great guy.
<v Speaker 2>But I was like, I don't know if I want
<v Speaker 2>to get an earful here or not. And I finally
<v Speaker 2>got the courage and I'm like, dad, man, I got
<v Speaker 2>to ask you something, did you?
<v Speaker 1>And he goes, did you see the fog too? This morning?
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, you're freaking kidding me, man, Like you
<v Speaker 2>saw it? And so it was almost like he was
<v Speaker 2>waiting for me to bring it up because he's the
<v Speaker 2>guy like between the two of us, he wasn't going
<v Speaker 2>to say nothing because he's like, you know, it's just
<v Speaker 2>one of those hardcore, you know, blue collar guys though,
<v Speaker 2>you know. And and so he once I brought it up,
<v Speaker 2>he's like, you saw the blinking fog too, didn't you?
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, you're freaking kidding me, Yeah I did.
<v Speaker 2>And so we started talking comparing notes. He said the
<v Speaker 2>same thing. It was this dull gray. It definitely wasn't bright,
<v Speaker 2>but it was this on off same cadence and everything,
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, what the heck is that? And
<v Speaker 2>he's like, Chris, I don't know, man, And he said
<v Speaker 2>he had never seen any anything like that before. My
<v Speaker 2>knowledge has not seen anything like that after and either
<v Speaker 2>of I it was a one and done. We both
<v Speaker 2>saw it, same day, same time, and we're both a
<v Speaker 2>little nervous to bring it up to each other, but
<v Speaker 2>once we did, we've talked about it for twenty years
<v Speaker 2>and his story has never changed and in neither is mine.
<v Speaker 2>And so that's the that's the blinking fog man. I
<v Speaker 2>don't remember anything after that. There was an incident that
<v Speaker 2>I was not there for. This is this is my
<v Speaker 2>dad's story. This would have been I think after that,
<v Speaker 2>if I had to guess, it would have been in
<v Speaker 2>a December, because the reason I say that is it
<v Speaker 2>would have been deer season. But I think it would
<v Speaker 2>have been second season, which is later in December. So
<v Speaker 2>when I was in college, I would have to stay
<v Speaker 2>at college to take finals. It was always around that time, right,
<v Speaker 2>like the fall semester would end in December, right, And
<v Speaker 2>so I would always have to skip day one or
<v Speaker 2>two so that I could finish five and then drive back.
<v Speaker 2>So it was one of those. It was either a
<v Speaker 2>Thursday or a Friday. I don't believe it was the
<v Speaker 2>same year. I think it was after that. And he's
<v Speaker 2>walking out to his stand even earlier than what I
<v Speaker 2>did that day was the blinking fog thing. And the
<v Speaker 2>funny thing was he never told me what I'm about
<v Speaker 2>to tell you until we had like like years later,
<v Speaker 2>when we were talking about the fog, and he goes, Hey,
<v Speaker 2>did I ever tell you about this other story? And
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you're kidding me, you know anyways? Come on, man, Yeah, thanks? Dad, Like,
<v Speaker 2>what are you doing to me mad? So he brought up.
<v Speaker 2>He goes he's walking out to his stand again, he's
<v Speaker 2>by himself. I'm not there, and he gets in his
<v Speaker 2>stand and he goes, Chris, the forest next to us
<v Speaker 2>that we could not hunt and we never we never
<v Speaker 2>would trespass, but you could see like the whole hillside
<v Speaker 2>of someone else's timber. He said it exploded in light,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, what do you mean. He goes the
<v Speaker 2>entire timber lit up, and I'm like, Dad, I don't,
<v Speaker 2>I don't understand and like, what do you mean and
<v Speaker 2>he goes, I don't know else to say it, Chris,
<v Speaker 2>the entire timber just exploded in light, like I'll say,
<v Speaker 2>a spotlight, but it wasn't like headlights or anything like that.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, are you sure it wasn't a truck
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, no, it wasn't a truck.
<v Speaker 1>He was I never heard anything. I never heard anybody
<v Speaker 1>talking like. He goes, there's no one walking out there.
<v Speaker 1>The light wasn't bouncing like someone was walking.
<v Speaker 2>He goes, the entire timber lit up, like exploded in
<v Speaker 2>light maybe I don't know, for five to ten seconds,
<v Speaker 2>and then it went out and never happened again. It
<v Speaker 2>was as he was walking to a stand, That's what was.
<v Speaker 2>He was walking through the cornfield and this whole timber
<v Speaker 2>lit up and I'm like, did you I was joking.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, did you see the craft or anything? He goes, Nope, nope,
<v Speaker 2>never saw anything. It was only the light. And again
<v Speaker 2>you'd have to know my dad for this part of
<v Speaker 2>the story. But my dad ain't scared and nothing, man,
<v Speaker 2>there was nothing. That guy wouldn't walk out in the
<v Speaker 2>timber to go hunting like that stop him and he
<v Speaker 2>goes Chris. It kind of freaked me out, and I
<v Speaker 2>hesitated to go to the stand that morning.
<v Speaker 1>He still went he's the man, you know what I mean. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>And so it sounds like, you know, guys just.
<v Speaker 3>Like my dad, like my great grandfather that raised me,
<v Speaker 3>was exactly like that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, so you know exactly what I mean. Like
<v Speaker 2>for him to even admit that he was scared was
<v Speaker 2>kind of a big deal. I don't know if scared
<v Speaker 2>but like frightened or just enough to hesitate and be like,
<v Speaker 2>oh crap. Yeah, but he went anyway, Like I said,
<v Speaker 2>he's in his late seventies.
<v Speaker 1>His memory's going a little bit, and so when.
<v Speaker 2>I ask him questions now about it, be like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I do remember that, but it's like the details have
<v Speaker 2>become fuzzy, if that makes sense. So all I have
<v Speaker 2>is kind of the story that he told me around
<v Speaker 2>that time. So so really that's the one man, Like
<v Speaker 2>the blinking fog and then the explosion in the light
<v Speaker 2>that my dad saw also a skunk hollow road Carol, Illinois.
<v Speaker 2>So that's what I reached out to you about. And
<v Speaker 2>I have I'll say I'm cagy maybe that's a good term.
<v Speaker 2>Or I'm hesitant to share the story with people until
<v Speaker 2>I get to know them, But I do bring it
<v Speaker 2>up with friends and acquaintances from time to time, and
<v Speaker 2>usually I'll I'll just say hey, most of them are
<v Speaker 2>hunters or campers, and I'll just go, hey, have you
<v Speaker 2>ever seen anything strange out there?
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, what do you mean?
<v Speaker 2>And usually I start off with a story about my
<v Speaker 2>dad and I seeing a mountain lion in the same
<v Speaker 2>area and they were not there. The DNR said, no,
<v Speaker 2>there's no such nut here, and I'm like, well, that's
<v Speaker 2>a load of crap, because we've both seen it with
<v Speaker 2>our own eyes, sitting in the same stand and we
<v Speaker 2>know there's mountain lions here. And then that gets going,
<v Speaker 2>and then I'll be like, hey, have you ever seen
<v Speaker 2>or heard of like a blinking fog? And I've brought
<v Speaker 2>that up no more than twenty times to maybe twenty
<v Speaker 2>different people, maybe more a dozen to twenty people, and
<v Speaker 2>no one has ever understood what I was saying. They
<v Speaker 2>were like, what are you what And I'm like, don't.
<v Speaker 2>Clearly they don't know what I saw.
<v Speaker 3>They haven't seen it.
<v Speaker 2>They haven't seen it, and I was like, well, I
<v Speaker 2>sat on it for twenty years and I would bring
<v Speaker 2>it up. But then after I was listening to your
<v Speaker 2>podcast and honestly, I just appreciate.
<v Speaker 1>How you interview people and no judgment.
<v Speaker 2>I was like, maybe I'll just shoot them in an email,
<v Speaker 2>because I would imagine you get emails constantly, and not
<v Speaker 2>everything you hear makes it on the show.
<v Speaker 1>There's just not enough time. But I was like, maybe.
<v Speaker 2>Something people reach out with things other than Bigfoot, and
<v Speaker 2>maybe this would be something that you've heard about or
<v Speaker 2>someone had reached out before. So mainly I was just
<v Speaker 2>seeing if anyone else has ever run across this blinking
<v Speaker 2>fog that I call So that's where it came from. Man,
<v Speaker 2>that's the story.
<v Speaker 3>So first, like you just said, you were reluctant to
<v Speaker 3>come on and share. Originally I did ask your permission
<v Speaker 3>to share the story because it piqued my interest. I
<v Speaker 3>wanted to know if anybody else as witnessed this or
<v Speaker 3>heard of this before. You did agree to come on
<v Speaker 3>and share the story. Awesome, I'm glad you did.
<v Speaker 1>I hope it's worthy.
<v Speaker 2>Man. I don't know if it's very cool, but I
<v Speaker 2>you know.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, it's worthy. But yeah, If anybody out there listening
<v Speaker 3>has experienced blinking fog or something similar, please please contact me.
<v Speaker 3>You can send me an email, you can message me
<v Speaker 3>directly through the website Bigfook Crossroads dot com, find me
<v Speaker 3>on Facebook or Instagram, wherever you need to reach out at.
<v Speaker 3>Please do so because I'm sure Chris wants some answers,
<v Speaker 3>and I want some answers to my first question. This
<v Speaker 3>is property that you guys hunted yearly for a while?
<v Speaker 3>I take it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we were there for a long time, man, probably
<v Speaker 2>I would guess around two thousand ish too, probably when
<v Speaker 2>I was done with grad school, med school stuff, so
<v Speaker 2>that would have been two thousand and ten. My dad
<v Speaker 2>kept going, I would say twelve to fifteen years. We
<v Speaker 2>hunted that same piece of property basically every year for
<v Speaker 2>deer season. Multiple times. Yeah, yes, sir, it was a
<v Speaker 2>private It was private property. A farmer that my dad
<v Speaker 2>went to high school with. They remained friends, and he'd
<v Speaker 2>just go, hey, can we go hunting up there? And
<v Speaker 2>he's like absolutely, So it was just the two of
<v Speaker 2>us that were only ever in that particular area.
<v Speaker 3>Did you guys ever talk to the property owner about this?
<v Speaker 2>Great question? I wish I would have. We didn't. It
<v Speaker 2>never even dawned on us. And honestly, I don't know
<v Speaker 2>if the guy is a great guy and he's a
<v Speaker 2>good friend of my dad's, but he's kind of a
<v Speaker 2>no nonsense farmer and I think he would have brushed
<v Speaker 2>it off anyway.
<v Speaker 1>As like an So I guess I didn't get the
<v Speaker 1>courage to ask him.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and as far as I know, my dad's never
<v Speaker 2>brought it up. He's had some health problems and so
<v Speaker 2>I I guess I haven't seen him in a while.
<v Speaker 2>But no, So long story short, we've not asked him.
<v Speaker 2>But that's a great idea. I should, I really should.
<v Speaker 3>Did you hear about any other unrelated strange experiences in
<v Speaker 3>the area growing up from like other people or whenever
<v Speaker 3>you were asking about the fog? Maybe?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>Nothing, nothing paranormal.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we'd have a random wildlife that would come
<v Speaker 2>through that would be extremely rare, you know, like wolverines
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that for the area, but like, nothing
<v Speaker 2>weird that I can remember anyway, Nothing like that.
<v Speaker 1>No, man, not much to go on, is it?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean yes and no. From your description, it
<v Speaker 3>sounds like it was pulsing DeMar and then brighter.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, pulsation or pulsing is a good term for it.
<v Speaker 2>Again at that cadence and when it when it got brighter,
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't bright. I'm saying brighter comparison to like when
<v Speaker 2>it was dark like off and on. Yeah, but when
<v Speaker 2>it was on, it was it was dim, but it
<v Speaker 2>was noticeably there pulsating, yeah, off and on, if that
<v Speaker 2>makes sense.
<v Speaker 3>And it was rolling down the hill towards your location.
<v Speaker 2>From my right to my left, which is kind of
<v Speaker 2>where the hill would kind of fall. So it was
<v Speaker 2>like any other rolling fog that you've anyone's probably seen
<v Speaker 2>that's been any time outside, right, But this one was
<v Speaker 2>noticeably pulsating is a great term. It is a great term.
<v Speaker 3>Manh Did it have a visible top to it or
<v Speaker 3>did it extend up into the air above where you
<v Speaker 3>could see.
<v Speaker 2>It? Did have I have a top? If I was
<v Speaker 2>in my stand, which is twelve to fifteen feet, so
<v Speaker 2>my head would have been fifteen to twenty feet above it.
<v Speaker 1>If I was on the ground, I would have guessed
<v Speaker 1>it would have been my waist height. I'm six' four
<v Speaker 1>so probably you, know three or four feet off the. Ground,
<v Speaker 1>YEAH i could see you, know like, fog you can
<v Speaker 1>see through it for the most, part but you could
<v Speaker 1>again see it kind of roll down the hill covered
<v Speaker 1>the whole. Hillside so from my, perspective WHERE i really
<v Speaker 1>saw the bulk of the i'll say the pulsating or the,
<v Speaker 1>BLINKING i would have guessed thirty yards something like, that
<v Speaker 1>twenty to thirty yards to WHERE i could really.
<v Speaker 3>See, it so it never encompassed, you.
<v Speaker 1>No, note just kept rolling down the hill and watched.
<v Speaker 2>It and then as like as the sky kind of
<v Speaker 2>the lights came on with the, sun basically it kind
<v Speaker 2>of faded away or just WHAT i was unable to
<v Speaker 2>see it at that, point like it was being i'll,
<v Speaker 2>say bleached out by the.
<v Speaker 3>Sun any experiences that you recall of missing?
<v Speaker 2>Time, ooh good. Question, no not THAT i know, Of
<v Speaker 2>not THAT i know, Of AND i THINK i know
<v Speaker 2>why you're asking If i've heard that question. Before but
<v Speaker 2>to my, KNOWLEDGE i don't have any experience with missing
<v Speaker 2>time That i'm aware.
<v Speaker 3>Of, so LIKE i, said you piqued my interest with this.
<v Speaker 3>One and there was one email THAT i had received
<v Speaker 3>a year or two ago from a guy in THE
<v Speaker 3>uk which had just like an amazing story and he
<v Speaker 3>actually sent me some materials where there was some historic
<v Speaker 3>case in the area that was similar to his in
<v Speaker 3>what they. Saw they saw it basically what sounds like
<v Speaker 3>a bigfoot, creature but there's some definite things to it
<v Speaker 3>that stand out beyond just like our Typical american bigfoot.
<v Speaker 3>Stuff but one of the things he mentioned was a
<v Speaker 3>mist and that this mist had THESE i think he
<v Speaker 3>used the word kind of like a, pearl iridescent points
<v Speaker 3>of light inside the mist that were pulsing brighter and.
<v Speaker 3>Dimmer but that was like the closest thing and the
<v Speaker 3>only thing THAT i could remember of mention of anything
<v Speaker 3>that involved like a fog or a mist and like
<v Speaker 3>it behaving. Strangely, Yeah so from THERE i did what
<v Speaker 3>everybody does these, days AND i asked CHAT. Gpt according
<v Speaker 3>to CHAT, gpt this is something that, yeah people have
<v Speaker 3>reported before throughout, history different versions of, it pulsing fog
<v Speaker 3>just seemingly to just disappear, suddenly not like, dissipate but
<v Speaker 3>just be gone and then come back the pulsing LIKE i.
<v Speaker 3>Said and something kind of interesting was it's oftentimes reported
<v Speaker 3>IN ufo situations and was actually connected to the famous
<v Speaker 3>accounts Of foo. Fighters so whenever you said that your
<v Speaker 3>dad mentioned the bright flash of. Light that's kind of
<v Speaker 3>interesting BECAUSE i mean it kind of goes along in
<v Speaker 3>lines with that sort of. Thing, clearly you did not
<v Speaker 3>see A ufo or you, know any aliens or anything
<v Speaker 3>in the deer.
<v Speaker 1>Stand, no it definitely definitely not can not see.
<v Speaker 3>That, no missing. Time missing times also something that's brought
<v Speaker 3>up with this sort of.
<v Speaker 2>Thing so for, Myself, No i've never actually asked my
<v Speaker 2>dad that. Question i'll ask him AND i can follow
<v Speaker 2>up and. See The only downside of that is he's
<v Speaker 2>in his seventies AND i can clearly see his memories
<v Speaker 2>starting to kind of go a little, Bit SO i
<v Speaker 2>don't know if he says, no it's still, maybe you
<v Speaker 2>know WHAT i. Mean SO i don't know how trustworthy
<v Speaker 2>it would. Be but BUT i can ask him and.
<v Speaker 2>See but that wouldn't that be? Wild can't?
<v Speaker 3>Wow, yeah at least there are some instances where, like
<v Speaker 3>you're not the only people in existence to experience this
<v Speaker 3>sort of. Thing apparently it's something that other people have.
<v Speaker 3>EXPERIENCED i can send you the information that it gave.
<v Speaker 3>Me how correct and accurate that information IS i don't,
<v Speaker 3>know but it it did there were several different uh you,
<v Speaker 3>know it went through the whole cabitt of like, yeah in,
<v Speaker 3>folklore these things are, said and then this, happened and
<v Speaker 3>this sas said and all, that and then here's like
<v Speaker 3>some natural phenomenon that take, place, Right and SO i
<v Speaker 3>then inquired, Specifically, okay well let's just narrow it down
<v Speaker 3>specifically to this type of behavior and would that potentially
<v Speaker 3>be explained by some naturally occurring? Phenomenon and CHAT gpt
<v Speaker 3>was like, no not, really so, like, YEAH i don't
<v Speaker 3>really know what to make of. THAT i don't know
<v Speaker 3>how accurate that, is LIKE i, said but it's something
<v Speaker 3>where apparently there is a breadcrumb trail that can be
<v Speaker 3>followed a little bit more and maybe there's some you,
<v Speaker 3>know documented cases of this that you or you AND
<v Speaker 3>i could look.
<v Speaker 2>INTO i, mean that's super.
<v Speaker 1>Cool that's super. COOL i GUESS i WOULDN'T i wouldn't have.
<v Speaker 2>Guessed you mentioned missed versus, fog just just So i'm
<v Speaker 2>being clear and What i'm trying to. DESCRIBE i think
<v Speaker 2>it was way more fog than missed in my, experience
<v Speaker 2>just to be clear on. That it looks just like
<v Speaker 2>fog to, me like regular. Fog, Right so, yeah, man
<v Speaker 2>that's pretty.
<v Speaker 1>Cool, man that's pretty.
<v Speaker 3>Strange what's the nearest like body of water to this?
<v Speaker 1>Location so The Mississippi river is probably the main.
<v Speaker 2>Thing, well, no now That i'm thinking about, IT i
<v Speaker 2>mean from a Landmark. Misissippi but there, is as the
<v Speaker 2>crow flies kind of through the timber to someone else's,
<v Speaker 2>property there are i'll say two retention lakes are kind
<v Speaker 2>of square shaped to the northeast of this. Property they're
<v Speaker 2>probably the size of a football field or, less would
<v Speaker 2>be my. Guest two of. Those is? That so is
<v Speaker 2>that you talking about like a farm. Pod it's basically
<v Speaker 2>like a farm pond and like a rectangle or square. Shape. Right,
<v Speaker 2>yeah they're like two right next to each, other with
<v Speaker 2>like a road right in between. Them but there there
<v Speaker 2>was a creek that ran right through the middle of the,
<v Speaker 2>cornfield but at most it would have BEEN i don't,
<v Speaker 2>know the cafe deep ankle deep for the most, part you,
<v Speaker 2>know that sort of.
<v Speaker 1>Thing so but other than, that that was.
<v Speaker 3>It any electrical right of ways.
<v Speaker 1>Let me, Think, NO i don't remember seeing any of.
<v Speaker 2>Those just regular power lines going down the of, course
<v Speaker 2>the roads and all that to feed the.
<v Speaker 1>Farmhouses but no of.
<v Speaker 2>The gigantic power power. Line nothing like that THAT i can.
<v Speaker 3>Remember any railroads.
<v Speaker 1>Railroads uh not near, There, Nope, no not THAT i can.
<v Speaker 3>Remember, man you are not checking any of the. Boxes i'm.
<v Speaker 1>Not i'm, Sorry, MAN i WISH i.
<v Speaker 3>Was, No, no this is the kind of STUFF i,
<v Speaker 3>like this. Is this is something, new. MAN i just
<v Speaker 3>WISH i had some. Answers just the fact.
<v Speaker 2>That you're willing to listen and just maybe he'll broadcast
<v Speaker 2>it out there and see if anyone else has more.
<v Speaker 2>Experience like that's, cool, MAN i really appreciate, That like
<v Speaker 2>this is it's not eating away at my, brain but
<v Speaker 2>it comes up from time to time And i'm, LIKE i, wonder, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>If anyone else has noticed.
<v Speaker 2>That and SO i appreciate you just listening and maybe
<v Speaker 2>you know the platform to share. That that's totally. Cool.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah of, course speaking of, which you did send me
<v Speaker 3>some interesting.
<v Speaker 2>Photos, yeah we can talk about that if you. Want.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah so you were listening to a guest on an.
<v Speaker 2>Episode, yeah, yes, YEAH i. WAS i.
<v Speaker 1>WAS i heard an. ENCOUNTER i am so fascinated with
<v Speaker 1>the Big foot.
<v Speaker 2>Topic it's just a fun, topic you know for me
<v Speaker 2>AND i don't have any answers to, anything BUT i
<v Speaker 2>heard this particular, encounter witness his experience and kind of
<v Speaker 2>what he was, doing AND i kind of reconstructed where
<v Speaker 2>he was. Talking he said some clues in his, interview
<v Speaker 2>AND i was, like that sounds, familiar AND i slowly
<v Speaker 2>pieced it, together and In april of twenty twenty, FOUR
<v Speaker 2>i was driving back to my. HOMETOWN i live in
<v Speaker 2>The memphis area, now BUT i was driving home Towards, Fulton,
<v Speaker 2>illinois WHERE i grew.
<v Speaker 1>Up my mom was having surgery at a local.
<v Speaker 2>University she had a brain tumor and is doing well,
<v Speaker 2>now but she was going to go through, that and
<v Speaker 2>SO i was just driving home to be there to
<v Speaker 2>support her and my dad as that. Happened AND i
<v Speaker 2>had a little downtime AND i REALIZED i was going
<v Speaker 2>right by this, place and so it was really a
<v Speaker 2>very short detour on the way up to see my,
<v Speaker 2>parents and SO i.
<v Speaker 1>Was by, myself and SO i was, like let me
<v Speaker 1>go check this place. Out and so it was in Southeast,
<v Speaker 1>missouri north Of Cape.
<v Speaker 2>GIRARDO i pieced it together and found This it's The
<v Speaker 2>Apple Creek conservancy, there AND i was, LIKE i could
<v Speaker 2>get that, far AND i started walking around AND i
<v Speaker 2>found this trail AND i just walked up it like
<v Speaker 2>hiking up. It it was Not it's not a trail
<v Speaker 2>like game trail or hiking trail per. Se it was
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a utility. Trail they were putting
<v Speaker 2>in power. Poles AND i followed it for about a
<v Speaker 2>mile and ran across maybe maybe some, footprints and that's
<v Speaker 2>WHAT i sent you some tracks. There they were not
<v Speaker 2>the greatest, quality to be. HONEST i stopped on the
<v Speaker 2>way there and then on the way back from over
<v Speaker 2>a few days and it had rained and kind of
<v Speaker 2>washed it. OUT i didn't even think about taking pictures
<v Speaker 2>WHEN i the first, time BUT i saw them and
<v Speaker 2>they to, me they looked clearer than the pictures THAT i,
<v Speaker 2>got you, know a couple of days. Prior BUT i
<v Speaker 2>should have coulda. Would so on the way, BACK i was,
<v Speaker 2>LIKE i should really stop and take a. Picture so
<v Speaker 2>after thinking about, IT i. Stopped put my driver's license
<v Speaker 2>next to the. IMPRESSIONS i guess probably better to call
<v Speaker 2>it an impression than a, TRACK i suppose for size,
<v Speaker 2>Comparison AND i took three pictures AND i sent them
<v Speaker 2>to you again admittedly they're they're not great. Quality, man
<v Speaker 2>if you look IN i feel, like if you squit really,
<v Speaker 2>hard maybe you can make out some. Toes but it
<v Speaker 2>was really weird WHERE i followed this, Track, LIKE i
<v Speaker 2>don't think people go up. There it was behind a gun.
<v Speaker 2>Range it was probably risky to do. That no one
<v Speaker 2>was shooting that, day, thankfully but, like who would walk
<v Speaker 2>up behind a gun?
<v Speaker 1>Range you know? Otherwise and you.
<v Speaker 2>Know and THEN i found these tracks right on the
<v Speaker 2>right in this little, opening and that's WHAT i took
<v Speaker 2>the pictures. OF i never did the calculation for however
<v Speaker 2>big the driver's.
<v Speaker 1>License, is to compare to the.
<v Speaker 2>TRACK i don't know WHY i didn't do, That but
<v Speaker 2>IF i had to, GUESS i don't, know thirteen fourteen
<v Speaker 2>inches MAYBE i.
<v Speaker 1>Don't what do you think or have you that you've
<v Speaker 1>seen it?
<v Speaker 3>Yet, YEAH i was going to say probably between twelve
<v Speaker 3>and fifteen.
<v Speaker 2>Inches, yeah that sounds very. REASONABLE i remember putting my
<v Speaker 2>boot next to. It i'm around at twelve and a
<v Speaker 2>half or, thirteen and it was wider than my boot
<v Speaker 2>and a little bit.
<v Speaker 1>Bigger so that's kind of WHERE i was just.
<v Speaker 2>Guessing and AGAIN i don't, KNOW i hate to, say,
<v Speaker 2>yes these are what they, are BUT i wanted to
<v Speaker 2>pass them along and see what your thoughts would. BE i,
<v Speaker 2>mean you've probably seen clearly way more THAN i ever
<v Speaker 2>dreamed of, seeing and it was kind of cool THAT
<v Speaker 2>i could kind of reconstruct it and kind of go
<v Speaker 2>to that area and just kind of EITHER i got
<v Speaker 2>lucky Or I'm i'm fooling myself into thinking it's something,
<v Speaker 2>not you know WHAT i.
<v Speaker 3>Mean, WELL i mean they're the right, shape and they're
<v Speaker 3>in a good, location and you, know one end of
<v Speaker 3>the track is rounded like a hill and the other
<v Speaker 3>one is kind of jagged like. Toes they're pressed down
<v Speaker 3>into the. Ground your feet were not pressing down into the,
<v Speaker 3>GROUND i would assume not like.
<v Speaker 1>That it wasn't definitely.
<v Speaker 3>NOT i, mean it's they're very, defined which to me
<v Speaker 3>tells me that there's some weight behind. Them you, know
<v Speaker 3>usually our own tracks on you, know just regular ground
<v Speaker 3>surface that you don't leave like a solid impression like.
<v Speaker 3>That sometimes you can if the ground's wet enough and
<v Speaker 3>soft enough in the right, substrate with you, know a
<v Speaker 3>hard sold shoe or, whatever because of the you, know
<v Speaker 3>the density of the sole of the. Shoe but a
<v Speaker 3>barefoot doesn't leave a clear impression like that unless you've
<v Speaker 3>got some serious weight behind. It they were definitely too
<v Speaker 3>wide to be a human, foot even if there was
<v Speaker 3>some sort of you, know you're six or, four so
<v Speaker 3>maybe there was like a seven foot tall guy with
<v Speaker 3>giant feet walking around barefoot out behind the gun. Range,
<v Speaker 3>yeah it.
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't sound very likely where this. WAS i, mean it
<v Speaker 2>was it was, rocky and that was the other. THING
<v Speaker 2>i was, like, barefoot is it? Possible you're right gun? Range?
<v Speaker 2>Uphill you're basically walking on partly up there on like, gravel,
<v Speaker 2>right and like who would walk up? There and on
<v Speaker 2>my way up there actually saw a pretty big Snake
<v Speaker 2>And i'm, like who would be walking around up your
<v Speaker 2>barefoot in gravel behind a gun range clearly in snake?
<v Speaker 2>Territory LIKE i don't.
<v Speaker 3>KNOW i just know you you would be doing all.
<v Speaker 1>That, yeah, yeah, Yeah i'm not that courageous. Man i'm
<v Speaker 1>a big whimp when it.
<v Speaker 3>Comes to that. Stuff and the best thing, is like
<v Speaker 3>you found the location based on a, witness.
<v Speaker 1>You, know, yeah pieced it.
<v Speaker 2>Together and ACTUALLY i tracked him down and we had
<v Speaker 2>an exchange over email, too just and he was, like,
<v Speaker 2>yeah we usually don't check that, area he, Was they
<v Speaker 2>go somewhere else on that that, Proper i'll, say the,
<v Speaker 2>property but like that state, land they don't really go up.
<v Speaker 1>There SO i thought that was cool one and whatnot from?
<v Speaker 2>There so, yeah, Man so as far AS i, know
<v Speaker 2>those are the the fog and these potential questionable bigfoot
<v Speaker 2>tracks or the weirdest things THAT i know of That
<v Speaker 2>i've experienced in the.
<v Speaker 3>Woods, WELL i appreciate you coming on here and talking
<v Speaker 3>about it and sharing those, experiences and hopefully somebody out
<v Speaker 3>there listening can shed a little light on the blinking
<v Speaker 3>fog and we'll reach out And i'll connect.
<v Speaker 2>You that'd be. Awesome. Man, hey if you if you got,
<v Speaker 2>time COULD i ask you one other question or discuss something?
<v Speaker 2>Quick is that? Cool?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah of, course.
<v Speaker 2>So. HOPFU i won't give my entire WHO i am,
<v Speaker 2>away But i'm an eye doctor by, training and so
<v Speaker 2>the eyes intrigued me.
<v Speaker 1>Greatly i'll say.
<v Speaker 2>That and my understanding, is and please correct me If i'm,
<v Speaker 2>wrong that there are many who believe That bigfoot can see. Infrared, yes,
<v Speaker 2>yes that is a fair.
<v Speaker 3>Statement there are a large number of people that Believe
<v Speaker 3>bigfoot can see into the infrared.
<v Speaker 1>Spectrum that's pretty.
<v Speaker 2>Wild SO i may not be the best, SUBJECT i,
<v Speaker 2>mean But i'll share WHAT i know and WHAT i,
<v Speaker 2>think knowing that it's just a.
<v Speaker 1>Theory how about.
<v Speaker 2>THAT i don't want to like stand on, it you,
<v Speaker 2>know But i've been wondering for a. While so to my.
<v Speaker 2>Job the background here Is i've Mentioned i'm an eye,
<v Speaker 2>doctor but part of my background IS i do some
<v Speaker 2>of our clinical what we call. Electrophysiology it's where we
<v Speaker 2>flash lights into people's eyes and we watch or we
<v Speaker 2>measure the signal that is produced due to different strengths
<v Speaker 2>and or sometimes even colors of. Light if that does
<v Speaker 2>that track so? Far?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Yeah and SO i know that with that particular
<v Speaker 4>test we can set the stage to kind of tease
<v Speaker 4>apart the photoreceptors in the back of the eye of the, retina,
<v Speaker 4>right and so there's two main. Photoreceptors we have rods and.
<v Speaker 4>Combes and forgive me.
<v Speaker 2>If i'm insulting your, Intelligence i'm just being very clear, here.
<v Speaker 3>A third grade, level.
<v Speaker 2>Fair, enough. Man so with, rods they're very very sensitive
<v Speaker 2>at detecting small amounts of, light just like that's kind
<v Speaker 2>of what we see in dim light, conditions but they're
<v Speaker 2>not good at discriminating. Color it's basically saying yes or,
<v Speaker 2>no there's a light, there, right just a little. Bit
<v Speaker 2>so that's what we use predominantly in low light conditions
<v Speaker 2>or darkner. Conditions, well on the other end of the,
<v Speaker 2>spectrum we have cones of the second type of, photoreceptors
<v Speaker 2>and generally with the, cones we have three types of
<v Speaker 2>cones and normal, individuals we have a cone that's sensitive to,
<v Speaker 2>red so it's hees red. Better you have a cone
<v Speaker 2>that sees better with, green so it sees green. Better
<v Speaker 2>and then we have a third one. Blue so with our,
<v Speaker 2>eyes by combining different amounts of, red, green and, blue
<v Speaker 2>that's where we see all of these colors from all around,
<v Speaker 2>us if that makes, sense, Right and.
<v Speaker 1>We only see a small.
<v Speaker 2>Sliver of the electromagnetic radiation that's actually going on around,
<v Speaker 2>us so we call it the visible. Spectrum it's based
<v Speaker 2>upon wavelength of, light because all electromenetic radiation is a, wavelength,
<v Speaker 2>right and so it's around four hundred to seven hundred
<v Speaker 2>if we really want to mensure, IT i think it's
<v Speaker 2>like three hundred and eighty nanimeters to maybe seven hundred
<v Speaker 2>and fifty nanometers and the higher, end the seven to fifty,
<v Speaker 2>end is kind of where red and infrared kind of
<v Speaker 2>are near each, other especially get up in the eight
<v Speaker 2>hundreds and above that for a little. Bit so, anyway
<v Speaker 2>the REASON i set the stage there is it got
<v Speaker 2>me thinking that if the, infrared if they can see,
<v Speaker 2>infrared that kind of makes, sense whether if they're walking
<v Speaker 2>around in the. Dark it makes me wonder if if
<v Speaker 2>we're able to compare retinas to what we know about,
<v Speaker 2>humans which is which is a leap, admittedly but just
<v Speaker 2>like as a starting, point we generally have about one
<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty million rods in our, eyes and we
<v Speaker 2>have six to seven million cones in our eyes as,
<v Speaker 2>Well and it makes me, wonder are there different types of,
<v Speaker 2>photoreceptors or different ratios or maybe different spreading out of
<v Speaker 2>the photoreceptors in the back of the eyes that make
<v Speaker 2>them likely to see the? Infrared if that makes. Sense
<v Speaker 2>SO i guess What i'm posing, is is there really
<v Speaker 2>an anatomical thing that if we were to get our
<v Speaker 2>hands on a bigfoot, retina you, know or, whatever could
<v Speaker 2>we predict that they would have different types of cones
<v Speaker 2>or rods that were compared or that we would see in,
<v Speaker 2>HUMANS i guess What i'm. Saying and on top of,
<v Speaker 2>that IF i were to take a, Leap now this
<v Speaker 2>is a. Theory. MAN i almost sound silly bringing this,
<v Speaker 2>out But i've just thought about, it And i'm just
<v Speaker 2>posing the. Question, right if humans can only see up
<v Speaker 2>to say seven hundred or seven, fifty if you go
<v Speaker 2>a little bit above that in the red spectrum that's
<v Speaker 2>where the infrared comes. In what if they have more
<v Speaker 2>red cones than green or blue and they're just slightly
<v Speaker 2>more sensitive to that spectrum of. Color if they have
<v Speaker 2>more and they're more, sensitive and at the expense of
<v Speaker 2>downgrading the green and blue and the, rods they might
<v Speaker 2>be color, deficient, right because you need three cones in
<v Speaker 2>order to see detect color how we see it as, humans,
<v Speaker 2>Right and that's definitely been shown in, humans, right as
<v Speaker 2>far as color deficiency more common in men than women
<v Speaker 2>and things like. That and so the REASON i wonder
<v Speaker 2>if that's important is and this is where AGAIN i
<v Speaker 2>almost seem stupid saying.
<v Speaker 1>This i'm just posing, it.
<v Speaker 3>Right you don't sound. Stupid if you sound, stupid THEN
<v Speaker 3>i sound stupid because this is something THAT i have
<v Speaker 3>rattled around in my head for. Decades, OH i got
<v Speaker 3>good at one point in. TIME i went down the
<v Speaker 3>eyesight rabbit hole and learned all of this information that
<v Speaker 3>you're talking about right, now AND i think we ended
<v Speaker 3>up at the same, place which means a lot to
<v Speaker 3>me since you're an.
<v Speaker 2>Id, well that's pretty cool man that. YOU i, mean
<v Speaker 2>you beat me to, it. Obviously but so here's the
<v Speaker 2>next step beyond. That if if they are color, deficient
<v Speaker 2>AND i don't know how we could do, this but
<v Speaker 2>if certain cameras you could play with the wavelength of,
<v Speaker 2>light could we find one that they can't see and
<v Speaker 2>get better luck at detecting? Them does that make sense
<v Speaker 2>using like a variation instead of the one standard infrared
<v Speaker 2>for the trigger that they clearly at least from WHAT i,
<v Speaker 2>Gather and you tell me If i'm. Wrong they seem
<v Speaker 2>to see, that or that's the theory that they see.
<v Speaker 2>It So i'm always, wondered if we change that wavelength
<v Speaker 2>a little, bit is it possible that we could hide
<v Speaker 2>in plain sight AND i have them not see. It so,
<v Speaker 2>anyway that's my. Theory SO i went from background to
<v Speaker 2>maybe color, blind and then the next step would, be
<v Speaker 2>could we design a camera to test that theory and
<v Speaker 2>see where it?
<v Speaker 1>Goes so, anyway man just nerd?
<v Speaker 3>Out There, no, NO i like nerding. Out so let
<v Speaker 3>me see if we ended up at the same, place
<v Speaker 3>WHICH i think we. Did so WHENEVER i was looking
<v Speaker 3>at all, this see this is the, PROBLEM i get.
<v Speaker 3>Sidetracked SO i reached. OUT i looked up the person
<v Speaker 3>that seemed to be the leading authority on mammalian, eyesight
<v Speaker 3>specifically primate eyesight in The United. States he was a
<v Speaker 3>professor at a. UNIVERSITY i don't remember specifically his name
<v Speaker 3>or the. University it's been a really long. TIME i
<v Speaker 3>emailed the guy through the UNIVERSITY i, did AND i
<v Speaker 3>just took a leap of faith AND i, Said, hey
<v Speaker 3>this is WHO i. Am you, know humor. Me if
<v Speaker 3>these things, exist and if they are a, primate would
<v Speaker 3>they be able to see in the infrared? Spectrum and
<v Speaker 3>his response was an explanation of how there's no primates
<v Speaker 3>that we're aware of that can do. That there's you,
<v Speaker 3>know certain animals with specialized sensory organs like, snakes you,
<v Speaker 3>know pit vipers and things like that that can sense
<v Speaker 3>infrared or. Whatever but he went further to explain that
<v Speaker 3>The sun produces a tremendous amount of infrared and that
<v Speaker 3>if something had the ability to see, infrared it would
<v Speaker 3>pretty much be blinded during daylight hours because of all
<v Speaker 3>the infrared that's produced by The. Sun it would be
<v Speaker 3>way brighter to it than it is to. Us so
<v Speaker 3>that would be my question to you first is if
<v Speaker 3>something did have the ability to see in, infrared would
<v Speaker 3>that be the? Case would it just be blinded all
<v Speaker 3>the time by all the infrared that's around that we
<v Speaker 3>can't normally. See, man that's a great. Question i've not
<v Speaker 3>thought it through that. Far IF i had to, guess
<v Speaker 3>and this is.
<v Speaker 2>Me, layman, LIKE i may change my mind IF i
<v Speaker 2>do some digging and maybe talk more about. It, Right
<v Speaker 2>but IF i had to guess there is a ton
<v Speaker 2>of visible light coming from The sun that we do,
<v Speaker 2>see why would that be different than?
<v Speaker 1>INFRARED i don't.
<v Speaker 2>Understand the infrared is more heat and it's, wavelength, Right
<v Speaker 2>it's just, wavelength and so we're in the Same we're
<v Speaker 2>not even like that crazy high beyond some of the
<v Speaker 2>visible light as far as the wavelengths and all. That
<v Speaker 2>So i'm, like, well wouldn't they be blind with any
<v Speaker 2>of the other light coming off the, Sun like there
<v Speaker 2>is an incredible, amount don't get me, wrong but there's
<v Speaker 2>ALSO uv A uv B ubc visible, spectrum and then
<v Speaker 2>some of the. Infrared LIKE i don't, KNOW i GUESS
<v Speaker 2>i would For i've never looked in an infrared camera
<v Speaker 2>just as a rough jumping off point in the, Daylight,
<v Speaker 2>like is everything just like washed?
<v Speaker 1>OUT i would, assume Like i've never spent much.
<v Speaker 2>Time, yeah so maybe that's what he's.
<v Speaker 3>Inferencing, yeah like back in the day using like night,
<v Speaker 3>vision if you turn it on in like daylight or light,
<v Speaker 3>situations it just it ruins. It it actually broke the,
<v Speaker 3>device so it flooded The, yeah it flooded the receptors or.
<v Speaker 3>Whatever BUT i mean, again we're talking about, Wavelength so
<v Speaker 3>the infrared coming off the sun could be a much
<v Speaker 3>greater wavelength or you know What i'm saying completely AND
<v Speaker 3>i follow higher wavelength than what they would be able to.
<v Speaker 2>See. Yeah maybe now when you when your when your camera,
<v Speaker 2>broke were you looking at the sun with it or
<v Speaker 2>were you just looking at the environment and it.
<v Speaker 3>Broke, no it was just an in general thing like
<v Speaker 3>you you couldn't have them like, you like you never
<v Speaker 3>wanted to turn your night vision on in like a
<v Speaker 3>room that had the light, on because it would just
<v Speaker 3>break it it was too much light coming.
<v Speaker 2>In Because i'm not an expert, there SO i don't
<v Speaker 2>want to leave anyone, astray but it's just it's a.
<v Speaker 3>Guess, well and you're way more educated on the subject
<v Speaker 3>THAN i. Am but my so to go on what
<v Speaker 3>you were talking about and my own, research the CONCLUSION
<v Speaker 3>i reached was that there was a possibility that they
<v Speaker 3>would have a higher number of rods than what we would.
<v Speaker 3>Have and if the cones were a different, ratio like you're,
<v Speaker 3>saying where they could see in the, infrared and that
<v Speaker 3>most likely meant that they would be more color deficient
<v Speaker 3>in the blue spectrum.
<v Speaker 2>Potentially, yeah the if you so of the cones the, red,
<v Speaker 2>green and, blue let's say, it the red and green will.
<v Speaker 2>Dominate and yes there's blue in, there there's just not as,
<v Speaker 2>many if that makes. Sense and so when you combine
<v Speaker 2>the red and, green you get as far as maximal,
<v Speaker 2>sensitivity you get tennis ball. Yellow that's why tennis balls are.
<v Speaker 2>Yellow that's where our eyes have their highest, coloring, right
<v Speaker 2>there they overlap right at that tennis ball yellow and
<v Speaker 2>then so, yeah potentially it just it depends on how
<v Speaker 2>the ratio would. Go if it leans more towards red
<v Speaker 2>and there's less green or blue than those spectral curves
<v Speaker 2>can shift a little.
<v Speaker 1>Bit and, yeah they.
<v Speaker 2>Might have a harder time with blue as an. Example
<v Speaker 2>so then i'd, go, well can you develop a camera
<v Speaker 2>with like blue or start with?
<v Speaker 1>Green you?
<v Speaker 2>Know in? Humans again we don't, know but in humans
<v Speaker 2>the most common color defficiency is either red or, Green
<v Speaker 2>and so, yeah LOGICALLY i might play around with the
<v Speaker 2>red or green spectrum BEFORE i did the, blue just
<v Speaker 2>to kind of see if we could find like a
<v Speaker 2>wavelength that might be less detectable or something like. That
<v Speaker 2>and it's funny you brought up the, rods because the
<v Speaker 2>rods can't detect. Color so if there were less less
<v Speaker 2>cones and way more, rods they'd be very sensitive for
<v Speaker 2>like walking around at night and things like. That but
<v Speaker 2>absolutely THEN i would think their color vision would decrease
<v Speaker 2>significantly if a lot of that was shifted one way
<v Speaker 2>or the. Other, now, again these are my. THEORIES i
<v Speaker 2>don't want to claim to be an. Expert it's just
<v Speaker 2>little Things i've thought about AND i just wanted to
<v Speaker 2>bounce them off of you and see what your thoughts.
<v Speaker 2>Were and sounds like we're kind of thinking similar. Things
<v Speaker 2>that's really cool that you reached out to like a
<v Speaker 2>vision expert like. That i'm not familiar with that ONE i.
<v Speaker 2>Do this person does not know, me BUT i know of.
<v Speaker 2>Them there's One university Of houston that does some comparative.
<v Speaker 2>ANATOMY i understand it with retinas of you, know apes
<v Speaker 2>and things like. That and so IF i could and
<v Speaker 2>maybe that would be something that'd be awesome if you
<v Speaker 2>could interview her or something like, that, yeah and agree to.
<v Speaker 2>It so AGAIN i don't know, her but but, anyway
<v Speaker 2>that would be kind of. Cool that was one anyway
<v Speaker 2>those on my other questions was, like have you ever
<v Speaker 2>interviewed someone that like an ocular comparative anatomy? Professor you
<v Speaker 2>know that sort of, Thing and clearly you have based
<v Speaker 2>upon what you've.
<v Speaker 3>Said SO i emailed one.
<v Speaker 2>Once that's.
<v Speaker 3>OKAY i would love to find one that's interested in
<v Speaker 3>the subject and is open minded to it to talk
<v Speaker 3>to about all this. Stuff another thing that fascinates me
<v Speaker 3>THAT i have a hard time understanding from a logical
<v Speaker 3>standpoint is the report worts of eye, glow where witnesses
<v Speaker 3>are reporting eyes producing their own, light that it's definitely
<v Speaker 3>not a reflection from a tape tom, lucidum that it's
<v Speaker 3>actually producing a glowing usually a red. Color and for,
<v Speaker 3>ME i just how would, that even even if the
<v Speaker 3>science was, there even if the chemistry was there where
<v Speaker 3>there's some sort of you, know bioluminescence thing, happening why
<v Speaker 3>would it be in the. Eyes that seems counterproductive to.
<v Speaker 2>Me, YEAH i, mean if you're having your own light produced,
<v Speaker 2>inside so the goal of the eyes is to catch
<v Speaker 2>light from the, environment not really send it back out,
<v Speaker 2>Right AND i mean it's been a long time Since
<v Speaker 2>i've looked at that particular part of, it BUT i
<v Speaker 2>feel like that would make your vision. Worse like that
<v Speaker 2>would be the worst thing you could do for, vision
<v Speaker 2>because if you're projecting light, out then the light it's
<v Speaker 2>going to bleach the light getting in that you would
<v Speaker 2>use to.
<v Speaker 1>See so, so.
<v Speaker 2>And IF i understand it, right the tap of them
<v Speaker 2>lucidam is not found in, apes not found in. Mammals not, Mammals,
<v Speaker 2>Sorry i'm, sorry not. MAMMALS i meant apes, sorry.
<v Speaker 3>One PRIMATE i think that has it that's nocturnal entirely
<v Speaker 3>and it's you, know, Nothing it's not like an, ape
<v Speaker 3>it's a something entirely, different.
<v Speaker 2>Gotcha SO i, mean SO i don't know the tap
<v Speaker 2>of the lucidam. Thing MAYBE i, mean if it's found
<v Speaker 2>in other nocturnal, animals and then maybe that would be
<v Speaker 2>something to think.
<v Speaker 1>About, AGAIN i would just be.
<v Speaker 2>Guessing BUT i do know that if you're part here's
<v Speaker 2>WHAT i THINK i shouldn't.
<v Speaker 1>Say, no here's my theory on.
<v Speaker 2>This if their eyes are as big as what people
<v Speaker 2>witnesses report that have seen, THEM i mean they describe ginormous,
<v Speaker 2>eyes like huge, Ones so then their pupils would be
<v Speaker 2>way bigger than what we would have right in.
<v Speaker 1>The same type of.
<v Speaker 2>Illumination and if they're seeing them at, night obviously the
<v Speaker 2>pupils are going to be ginormous compared to. Normal and
<v Speaker 2>the back of the eye there is a layer called the,
<v Speaker 2>choroid which is like a big bloody, sponge and its
<v Speaker 2>job is to bring nutrients to the, eye flush it,
<v Speaker 2>out keep the temperature down so we don't burnt holes
<v Speaker 2>in our. Eyes and the choroid has depending on how
<v Speaker 2>you measure it either is one or two in the
<v Speaker 2>highest blood flow in the entire body per unit, Volume
<v Speaker 2>so it's depending on how you. Measure it goes back
<v Speaker 2>and forth between the coid and the, kidneys if, that you.
<v Speaker 2>Know and So i'm going there's a high amount of blood.
<v Speaker 2>Flow is the reddish color just from the pupils being
<v Speaker 2>huge in the in the dark and it's reflecting the
<v Speaker 2>ambient light even though it's super. Dark it doesn't mean
<v Speaker 2>that there's not just a little bit. There, SPECIFICALLY i
<v Speaker 2>don't infrared absorbs infrared and then you get kind of
<v Speaker 2>a reddish glow coming back. Out could that be? It
<v Speaker 2>you know WHAT i?
<v Speaker 1>Mean or like the red eyes on cameras and things like.
<v Speaker 3>That, YEAH i mean that was another thing THAT i
<v Speaker 3>thought about was if there is some sort of reflective
<v Speaker 3>membrane that they have to help them in their night.
<v Speaker 3>Vision is it potentially possible that with the larger eyes
<v Speaker 3>and the larger, pupils like you're, saying taking in more,
<v Speaker 3>light that it maybe bounces around to magnify the amount of,
<v Speaker 3>light so it spends more time in the eye processing the,
<v Speaker 3>light and because of, this it changes the wavelength and
<v Speaker 3>produces a red.
<v Speaker 2>Light, yeah we have cameras that we shine into people's
<v Speaker 2>eyes and we selectively let wavelengths come out to give
<v Speaker 2>us different information about the.
<v Speaker 1>Back so, like for, example we could.
<v Speaker 2>Shine in, uh you, KNOW i would WHAT i guess
<v Speaker 2>like a like a like a bluish light into the
<v Speaker 2>back of the eyes and then we can get like
<v Speaker 2>a greenish color. Out so it's not out of the
<v Speaker 2>realm of possibility that you shine one wavelength in and
<v Speaker 2>it gets absorbed or changed comes out.
<v Speaker 1>Slightly, different if that makes.
<v Speaker 2>Sense we do that for florescian angiographies and like just
<v Speaker 2>it's a oh electronic like excitation and uh fluorescence and
<v Speaker 2>things like. That so there's different ways to do. That,
<v Speaker 2>man IF i have any of my colleagues out there
<v Speaker 2>that they might just like. Rip these are all theories
<v Speaker 2>And i'm just having, fun like nerd and, Out so
<v Speaker 2>please don't take WHAT i say as. Gospel they're just
<v Speaker 2>ideas based upon what i've you, know What i've learned
<v Speaker 2>and WHAT i do and just a jumping off point
<v Speaker 2>AND i am open to any criticism or anything like.
<v Speaker 2>That it's just fun to think, about, Right and sometimes
<v Speaker 2>this converse stimulate other ideas and like, huh or maybe
<v Speaker 2>someone comes out and corrects, me or maybe they're, like,
<v Speaker 2>no maybe that is. True and then you, know we
<v Speaker 2>just having the dialogue to be, like, hey what if
<v Speaker 2>or what? About this opens up so many. DOORS i
<v Speaker 2>don't know if you agree with, that but it's been helpful.
<v Speaker 3>For, me, absolutely AND i appreciate. IT i appreciate you
<v Speaker 3>taking the time to throw this stuff out there and
<v Speaker 3>talk about. IT i, MEAN i enjoy. IT i know
<v Speaker 3>the listeners enjoy hearing that sort of, thing at least
<v Speaker 3>some of. Them and you, know you got me thinking
<v Speaker 3>about THINGS i haven't thought about in a long. Time, awesome, man.
<v Speaker 2>Awesome, WELL i can't thank you enough for just letting,
<v Speaker 2>me you, know babble on and share my. Experience. MATT
<v Speaker 2>i really appreciate. IT i really really. Do thank you
<v Speaker 2>for taking the time to just hang out for a little.
<v Speaker 3>While, oh no. PROBLEM i appreciate you coming on and
<v Speaker 3>taking the leap of, faith and hopefully it will open
<v Speaker 3>some new.
<v Speaker 1>Doors that'd be pretty.
<v Speaker 2>Awesome that'd be pretty.
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<v Speaker 3>there's something in the. Woods