Ep:188 Supernatural Stories with Supernatural Station

<v Speaker 1>We're talking about a lot of supernatural stuff. Like if
<v Speaker 1>we're in a situation where we're talking to a group
<v Speaker 1>of people, my brother will give me a look and
<v Speaker 1>I'll give him a look and we just both smile.
<v Speaker 1>You know, it means awkward or like this is wrecked,
<v Speaker 1>or like we'll just say in our head even though
<v Speaker 1>we're not saying it, we can just tell what each
<v Speaker 1>other thinking, you know. I mean, since we were young,
<v Speaker 1>we had haunting experiences, We had all kinds of stuff.
<v Speaker 1>But I think that's where it really started, is we
<v Speaker 1>had a lot of ghost activity early on. And I
<v Speaker 1>woke up and I look over to my brother, and
<v Speaker 1>my brother's sitting there and he's sleeping fast asleep, and
<v Speaker 1>I look to the edge of the bed and there's
<v Speaker 1>a woman sitting on the edge of his bed. She
<v Speaker 1>is slightly translucent. She's wearing like an old school pioneer dress.
<v Speaker 1>Her face was very like gaunt. She was very skinny lady.
<v Speaker 1>And she was looking at my brother. And I'm sitting
<v Speaker 1>there staring at her and felt like forever and then
<v Speaker 1>she all of a sudden turns and looks at me.
<v Speaker 1>But when she looked at me, I forget to mention this.
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes her eyes were like a reddish I can almost
<v Speaker 1>see like red in her eyes.
<v Speaker 2>This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name's Matt In joining me
<v Speaker 2>are the Wonder Twins. Roman and Jaron Daniels are the
<v Speaker 2>Supernatural Station podcast. Two guys that I've been waiting to
<v Speaker 2>talk to for a long time, and finally here we are. Gentlemen,
<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the show.
<v Speaker 1>Thanks man, it's spooky season. This is Jaron, by the way, Hey,
<v Speaker 1>how's it going. N It's good to be here. We're
<v Speaker 1>really really could be here, so thanks for having us.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, luckily I got you guys on video where I
<v Speaker 2>can see you. The listeners obviously won't have that luxury,
<v Speaker 2>but I will be able to tell your voices apart
<v Speaker 2>through the visual cues the audience. This should be fun
<v Speaker 2>for them.
<v Speaker 1>It's part of the it's part of the problem. You know,
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about a lot of supernatural stuff and part
<v Speaker 1>of that is our voices at this point. So there
<v Speaker 1>you go. Good lucky guys.
<v Speaker 2>I'll love How did you guys meet in the womb?
<v Speaker 1>You know, I was growing with him and I was like, hey,
<v Speaker 1>how you doing. Nice to meet you. We actually, you know,
<v Speaker 1>we're we're the kind of twins that could have been Siamese.
<v Speaker 1>Luckily we weren't. Oh wow, but I guess it's like
<v Speaker 1>a rare kind right, like where it's like on a
<v Speaker 1>one egg that's split into two. I guess, so that's
<v Speaker 1>kind of scary. But luckily we split into two. When
<v Speaker 1>we're in that one egg together, we're like vibing, you know,
<v Speaker 1>we're best buddies. And now we're like, yeah, we need
<v Speaker 1>a little space sometimes.
<v Speaker 2>Who was born first?
<v Speaker 1>I was six minutes six minutes wow, So I give
<v Speaker 1>him a lot of crap. I'm like, you know, I'm
<v Speaker 1>the big brother, so got to listen to me.
<v Speaker 2>You know, Jared, you're you're lucky he didn't eat you.
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's the thing is, like I gained all this
<v Speaker 1>extra weight, you know, because I was in the womb
<v Speaker 1>for six minutes longer. So that's when he that's when
<v Speaker 1>you get like one hundred percent of the proteins. I
<v Speaker 1>was like whoa. And then I came out and I
<v Speaker 1>was like, what's up, friend? And he's like, ooh sick,
<v Speaker 1>what's up?
<v Speaker 2>Man?
<v Speaker 1>And I was like three times big enough?
<v Speaker 2>No.
<v Speaker 1>The thing is I've always been about an inch taller
<v Speaker 1>and that's about it. But besides that, yeah, he makes
<v Speaker 1>fun of me with the with the age.
<v Speaker 2>So I know you guys have been asked this a
<v Speaker 2>million times. I'm going to ask it anyways. You do
<v Speaker 2>you got the psychic twin thing going on?
<v Speaker 1>We have one story. There was one time, for the
<v Speaker 1>most part, like I mean, we can look at each
<v Speaker 1>other and like understand kind of like if we're in
<v Speaker 1>a situation where we're talking to a group of people,
<v Speaker 1>like my brother will give me a look and I'll
<v Speaker 1>give him a look and we just both smiled. You
<v Speaker 1>noign it means awkward or like this is wrecked, or
<v Speaker 1>like we'll just say in our head even though we're
<v Speaker 1>not saying it, we can just tell what each other thinking,
<v Speaker 1>you know. So that's a common thing. But there was
<v Speaker 1>one time that was like the total psychic thing where
<v Speaker 1>my brother was. This was in elementary school and my
<v Speaker 1>brother was getting beat up. He's getting bullied by somebody.
<v Speaker 1>It was like third grade, second grade whatever, and my
<v Speaker 1>my aunt, I believe, was driving picking us up and
<v Speaker 1>I was freaking out. I was like frantic. I was like,
<v Speaker 1>where's my brother. He's he's getting beat up. I can
<v Speaker 1>tell he's getting beat up by a bully right now.
<v Speaker 1>But we need to go find him. I got to
<v Speaker 1>save him, you know. And my aunt was just like
<v Speaker 1>beside herself. She didn't know what to think. So I
<v Speaker 1>led her. She parked, and I led her all the
<v Speaker 1>way to the back of the school way past where
<v Speaker 1>all the recesses and all that, and there's my brother
<v Speaker 1>like crying. He's like picking his bags up and stuff,
<v Speaker 1>and he's all wrecked and everything, and and and he's like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I just got beat up by a couple guys or whatever.
<v Speaker 1>And so it was. It was a total real thing
<v Speaker 1>where I could feel that he was needing help and
<v Speaker 1>I knew exactly where to go to find him and everything.
<v Speaker 1>So that was weird. And then I mean there's other
<v Speaker 1>there's other moments too, like and you know, bless her heart.
<v Speaker 1>It's old like text this thing to say. But mel
<v Speaker 1>Roman's wife. She'll be like she's such so good that
<v Speaker 1>because I'm a single guy and she's the one that's
<v Speaker 1>been putting up with my bs for as long as
<v Speaker 1>she's been with Roman. But it's funny because she'll she'll
<v Speaker 1>look at me in Rome when we're in like an argument,
<v Speaker 1>like we're in an intense like political debate or something.
<v Speaker 1>We'll be talking about something and she'll look at she'll
<v Speaker 1>look at me, and all of a sudden, I look
<v Speaker 1>at Roman and then she's like, stop, you guys, stop
<v Speaker 1>looking at each other, like because it's a it's a
<v Speaker 1>bigger problem we're looking at each other because now we're
<v Speaker 1>like we're waved up, you know. Yeah, it just seems
<v Speaker 1>like she like she understands that it's funny.
<v Speaker 2>So, so when did you guys become interested in all
<v Speaker 2>this crazy stuff? What was it like one before the
<v Speaker 2>other at the same time. How did that work out?
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's it's been kind of a it's been a lifestyle, honestly,
<v Speaker 1>like our whole life growing up, We've had My mom
<v Speaker 1>was into tarot cards and stuff back in the day,
<v Speaker 1>and she was very like open to you know, she
<v Speaker 1>had she had a gift. She had a kind of
<v Speaker 1>a paranormal gift where she she literally somebody that she
<v Speaker 1>knows before they were pregnant and she would just stop,
<v Speaker 1>take back and say, you're pregnant and I didn't know,
<v Speaker 1>And then like two weeks later they were pregnant and
<v Speaker 1>she could even name the gender all the stuff. So
<v Speaker 1>she was, and she's she was one hundred percent on
<v Speaker 1>that for years, and she was really good at just
<v Speaker 1>those types of things. She's had a lot of paranormal
<v Speaker 1>experiences growing up, so intel kind of hit us as
<v Speaker 1>we grew up, and she always gave us the opportunity to,
<v Speaker 1>you know, I guess flourish in that, and so we
<v Speaker 1>just allowed it. We didn't allow it. I didn't like
<v Speaker 1>it growing up, but because I was really scared all
<v Speaker 1>the time. But I mean since we were young, we
<v Speaker 1>had haunting experiences. We had all kinds of stuff, and
<v Speaker 1>we can get into some of those, but I mean,
<v Speaker 1>this is the how it's like a Halloween vibe right now.
<v Speaker 1>It's only a couple of days away, so we're excited
<v Speaker 1>to explain some of that. But I think that, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>how do you feel about that? Yeah, I mean, honestly,
<v Speaker 1>that's it. That is where it started. It seems like
<v Speaker 1>there's sort of a family line there a little bit,
<v Speaker 1>and we were lucky to have a mom like that
<v Speaker 1>that gave us the opportunity to to tell our truth,
<v Speaker 1>Like when stuff was happening, she would give us, she
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't make fun of us her. You know, you have
<v Speaker 1>those parents that unfortunately will deny what the kids are saying.
<v Speaker 1>And it's unfortunate because it's probably happening. You know, I'm
<v Speaker 1>not always going to say it is, but it probably is.
<v Speaker 1>And and so that especially in our case when I
<v Speaker 1>was when we were younger, I think I had a
<v Speaker 1>little bit more of the crazy activity up front. But
<v Speaker 1>I feel like now it's kind of reversed, like my
<v Speaker 1>brother kind of gets attacked more. But I think that's
<v Speaker 1>where it really started, is we had a lot of
<v Speaker 1>ghost activity early on. And one of the biggest stories
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to tell tonight is when we were eight
<v Speaker 1>years old. So this is really where it started. So
<v Speaker 1>we're at our dad's place and we shared a bedroom.
<v Speaker 1>We had one of those bunk beds, but they had
<v Speaker 1>taken off like one of the bunks and said it
<v Speaker 1>like on the side. So it's like these two twin
<v Speaker 1>beds basically, and I could see my brother. The way
<v Speaker 1>the room was positioned, I could see my brother if
<v Speaker 1>I sat up in bed, I could see his whole
<v Speaker 1>body basically in the room. And I was sleeping one night,
<v Speaker 1>and again, you hear this all the time and time
<v Speaker 1>again on our show, we hear it all the time
<v Speaker 1>from people, but about the three in the morning time
<v Speaker 1>frame somewhere around there. You just wake up for no
<v Speaker 1>reason at all. I woke up and I look over
<v Speaker 1>to my brother for some reason, I just had to
<v Speaker 1>look straight over there. And my brother's sitting there and
<v Speaker 1>he's sleeping fast asleep, and I looked to the edge
<v Speaker 1>of the bed and there's a woman sitting on the
<v Speaker 1>edge of his bed, and she is slightly translucent. She's
<v Speaker 1>wearing like an old school pioneer dress type thing where
<v Speaker 1>it's got the collar all the way up the neck,
<v Speaker 1>and she's got like that sort of tight waist, almost
<v Speaker 1>corset style, and then it kind of puffs up on
<v Speaker 1>the bottom of the dress. I could tell the dress
<v Speaker 1>was bluish gray in tone, so I could see color,
<v Speaker 1>and her face was very like gaunt. She was a
<v Speaker 1>very skinny lady. You could see all the features on
<v Speaker 1>her face, the pointy cheekbones, pointy nose, and she was
<v Speaker 1>looking at my brother and she had silvery gray hair
<v Speaker 1>that was pulled back in a really tight bun, so
<v Speaker 1>you could see the bun, probably really long hair if
<v Speaker 1>she let it down, and she was pulling the covers
<v Speaker 1>over my brother's feet, like his feet were exposed, and
<v Speaker 1>she was physically moving manipulating an object, which was the
<v Speaker 1>blanket over his feet. And I was like, oh my gosh.
<v Speaker 1>We at the time we had a step mom, but
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't. She was in our dad's bedroom and this
<v Speaker 1>was not my stepmom, right, or totally a different look.
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sitting there staring at this woman. And you know,
<v Speaker 1>you can tell when you're dreaming versus when you're awake,
<v Speaker 1>and it was totally the awake state because I was
<v Speaker 1>totally cognizant. I could see all this detail on everything,
<v Speaker 1>and it just, you know, dreams, you can kind of
<v Speaker 1>tell the difference. And I'm sitting there staring at her,
<v Speaker 1>and it felt like forever, and then she all of
<v Speaker 1>a sudden turns and looks at me as if she
<v Speaker 1>knew I was staring at her, and I was like,
<v Speaker 1>freak out right, So I jumped back in the bed
<v Speaker 1>and I pulled the covers over my head and I
<v Speaker 1>started to pray. But when she looked at me, I
<v Speaker 1>forget to mention this. Sometimes her eyes were like a
<v Speaker 1>reddish I could almost see like red in her eyes,
<v Speaker 1>which made me think evil, right, freaked me out. And
<v Speaker 1>so I pulled the covers, I started praying, and what
<v Speaker 1>was probably seconds but felt like minutes or whatever. I
<v Speaker 1>lift them up again, the covers, and she's gone. So
<v Speaker 1>that happened. I didn't want to tell my brother. I
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to wake him up, and went on with
<v Speaker 1>my life. I didn't even tell my dad because he
<v Speaker 1>was the type that, again, like I was making fun
<v Speaker 1>of those parents that don't give the platform for their
<v Speaker 1>kids or have that openness. He was the type that
<v Speaker 1>would be like, maybe because he's scared too, but he
<v Speaker 1>would just want to shut it down and say it
<v Speaker 1>was a dream or whatever. So I never said anything.
<v Speaker 1>This was an old rental house that my dad rented,
<v Speaker 1>so he didn't own it, and it was it had
<v Speaker 1>some other activity too, but never full bodied apparitions like that.
<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to go really far forward because it
<v Speaker 1>does tie into this story really fast. But we were
<v Speaker 1>about eight at that time, and then yeah, this was
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety six, so it's dating us there, but yeah,
<v Speaker 1>way back. Yeah, and then flashed way far forward, so
<v Speaker 1>like maybe I don't know, two thousand and eight or
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and nine or something like that. I'm hanging
<v Speaker 1>out my dad's place, and this is a different house
<v Speaker 1>by the way that he'd moved to, and I'm hanging out. We're,
<v Speaker 1>you know, hanging out, having some drinks and just chatting
<v Speaker 1>late at night, and for some reason I brought up
<v Speaker 1>the ghost thing. I told him about that story. All
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, I had the courage to kind of
<v Speaker 1>bring it up to him. And when I brought it
<v Speaker 1>up to him, he his face went white, like he
<v Speaker 1>went white as a ghost. His eyes got huge, his
<v Speaker 1>jaw dropped, and he looks at me and he says,
<v Speaker 1>you saw her too. I was like, yeah, I did,
<v Speaker 1>and he told me he went into the story that
<v Speaker 1>he had seen that same woman when he was about
<v Speaker 1>eight or nine multiple times in his parents old house.
<v Speaker 1>So I mean description was identical. So I just wonder
<v Speaker 1>if she was some kind of relative that maybe comes
<v Speaker 1>to visit the boys. And I was hoping and maybe
<v Speaker 1>my prayers worked. I don't know, but I have a
<v Speaker 1>nine year old son and I was like, man, it's
<v Speaker 1>going to happen to him. Luckily it didn't so far,
<v Speaker 1>but he's still in that range, that eight nine range,
<v Speaker 1>So who knows. But that's my original story as to
<v Speaker 1>dealing with something ghostly that really kind of put me
<v Speaker 1>into this trajectory that this thing is real. You know,
<v Speaker 1>the paranormal exists.
<v Speaker 2>At the age of eight, did you know immediately what
<v Speaker 2>you were looking at?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I did, because I had heard stories from my
<v Speaker 1>mom and others of ghost things. She was translucent, like
<v Speaker 1>I kind of mentioned before, you could kind of see
<v Speaker 1>what was behind her through her, and so that's kind
<v Speaker 1>of a typical apparition thing. So I didn't think intruder.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think it was somebody that wasn't supposed to
<v Speaker 1>be there. I just the right away that it was.
<v Speaker 1>And maybe it was just within me that I knew
<v Speaker 1>that it was something paranormal. One thing I want to
<v Speaker 1>mention for the for the listeners is and it's kind
<v Speaker 1>of funny now because I have a hard time watching
<v Speaker 1>this scene. I actually enjoy it, but I have a
<v Speaker 1>hard time watching it. You're going to bring this up,
<v Speaker 1>but when you watch Ghostbusters the movie, Yeah, yeah, when
<v Speaker 1>you watch that librarian scene down in the library, like
<v Speaker 1>she literally looked very very similar to that ghost that's
<v Speaker 1>down in the library, that's like, sh go watch it, guys,
<v Speaker 1>if you haven't seen. It's classic. But yeah, it gets
<v Speaker 1>me a little shaken up when I watched that scene
<v Speaker 1>because it was very very similar. I think in that
<v Speaker 1>scene she's wearing like a purple dress. Ours was the
<v Speaker 1>one I saw was more of a bluish grayish, but
<v Speaker 1>it was a very similar look. And it's not the
<v Speaker 1>part where she's like rah right right, she turns into
<v Speaker 1>a monster, well, just from the side when she's kind
<v Speaker 1>of just reading the book. So anybody who wants to
<v Speaker 1>reference that, they can go watch that. But well the
<v Speaker 1>way I picture it when I cause I didn't get
<v Speaker 1>to see her sadly, but why why did it have
<v Speaker 1>to be me? Why is she touch on my feet?
<v Speaker 1>First off? Second off, like you know, buzz off lady.
<v Speaker 1>But second off, I always picture like Peter Cushing in
<v Speaker 1>like a in like a dress or something like, because
<v Speaker 1>you know how he's super gaunt. Right, it did look
<v Speaker 1>like that kind of Yeah, so that that's another reference
<v Speaker 1>that helps.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, brand mof Tarkin, Yep, we don't have to
<v Speaker 2>like put this part on air. But is one of
<v Speaker 2>you sensitive?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I I am. I have seeing That's why it
<v Speaker 1>has to be me, right, It's that whole thing, you know,
<v Speaker 1>It's one of those things. And we can put this
<v Speaker 1>on there. But it's one of those things where, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I I always sense I can always So we're part
<v Speaker 1>Hopey Indian on my dad's side, so Native American. We've
<v Speaker 1>got a big part of it too. It's not some
<v Speaker 1>people say it's a smaller you know, the smaller portions,
<v Speaker 1>but I think that's where some of it comes from
<v Speaker 1>because you know, and then my mom on the other side,
<v Speaker 1>So it's like a good mix of both, I guess.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I definitely have like a sensitivity. Even now.
<v Speaker 1>There's moments where I sense stuff and I'm like, I'm
<v Speaker 1>just ignoring it because I yeah, I just I'm not
<v Speaker 1>a fan of I'm not trying to invite as weird
<v Speaker 1>as you know. We're doing a podcast. It's all about this,
<v Speaker 1>but you know, I try to still keep barriers up.
<v Speaker 2>Why did you guys decide to start doing a podcast?
<v Speaker 1>So for me, honestly, it started in a lot of
<v Speaker 1>ways because I've always been interested in this stuff, but
<v Speaker 1>I was also listening to other shows and I'm like, man,
<v Speaker 1>I think we could do this. I think I could
<v Speaker 1>do this. It started off with just me and I
<v Speaker 1>originally wanted to do sort of like a storytelling platform.
<v Speaker 1>I think like mister ballind mixed with like weird darkness
<v Speaker 1>or something, you know. And so I was I was
<v Speaker 1>just sort of doing that where I was telling stories
<v Speaker 1>and I was just doing it like all my lunches,
<v Speaker 1>Like I'd go on my lunch break and I'd go
<v Speaker 1>to this like quiet room and I just record into
<v Speaker 1>my phone and then I'd go back and edit it later.
<v Speaker 1>So those early episodes are hilarious to listen to. But
<v Speaker 1>so it did start out where I was doing that,
<v Speaker 1>and really I wanted to just I wanted to just
<v Speaker 1>tell stories. But now it's sort of evolved into wanting
<v Speaker 1>to have other people come on our show and have
<v Speaker 1>them tell their stories. My favorite thing is to talk
<v Speaker 1>with people, and so really I have a passion in
<v Speaker 1>that now and before I think I did because I
<v Speaker 1>listened to a lot of podcasts that did that, but
<v Speaker 1>I just didn't think I had the ability to chat
<v Speaker 1>with others. Maybe I didn't maybe didn't believe in myself.
<v Speaker 1>But now that we've talked to many people and we
<v Speaker 1>continue to do it, it's a passion of mine and
<v Speaker 1>I really enjoy hearing their stories and it's just amazing
<v Speaker 1>the stuff that you start to hear that's a similar
<v Speaker 1>story from multiple people. He starts to tie all these
<v Speaker 1>things and all these pieces together. It's just a remarkable
<v Speaker 1>thing really when you think about it. Yeah, and I mean,
<v Speaker 1>what is the supernatural? Right, It's like it's a good
<v Speaker 1>Schmorgasborg of everything. But like, what's weird about it is
<v Speaker 1>like you've seen probably with the stuff you talk about
<v Speaker 1>on this show, Matt a lot of the time, and
<v Speaker 1>the stuff we talk about, it's like every time you
<v Speaker 1>oh man, I'm pinning it, it's in the corner. I
<v Speaker 1>know what this is. Boom. Now you have like a
<v Speaker 1>million avenues like nerve endings everywhere that you can't all right, cool,
<v Speaker 1>I guess I didn't know. Now it's something different, you know,
<v Speaker 1>And that's just how it works. But and I think
<v Speaker 1>that's why I get a little bit nervous about doing
<v Speaker 1>the like, you know, opening that door a little more.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean we can get into there's so
<v Speaker 1>much more from when we were younger that we could
<v Speaker 1>get into for sure.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It's funny that you say that because just recently
<v Speaker 2>I talked to a guy that said just one thing
<v Speaker 2>that sent me spiraling down a new path. Of theories
<v Speaker 2>that I had never even entertained before, and now I'm
<v Speaker 2>just like so far out into left field with it.
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know what to do with it anymore.
<v Speaker 2>It's like starting all over again, like going back to
<v Speaker 2>the beginning and retracing through all the old stories and everything,
<v Speaker 2>trying to see, like, well, does this puzzle piece actually
<v Speaker 2>fit here? Is there one certain guest or story that
<v Speaker 2>you guys have had on your show that comes to
<v Speaker 2>mind that just really stood out to you?
<v Speaker 1>For me, it's PJ. It's a recent one, PJ from Arkansas.
<v Speaker 1>She's on YouTube and stead if you can look her up.
<v Speaker 1>But what I like about her is she's just like
<v Speaker 1>a simple wife, you know, like she's just out there
<v Speaker 1>living her life in her she loves her land. It's
<v Speaker 1>in Arkansas. It's a really pretty area. And man, she's
<v Speaker 1>had so many weird experiences out there, and some like
<v Speaker 1>class a bigfoot, you know, sasquatch sidings. As I mentioned before,
<v Speaker 1>it's my favorite. It is my favorite subject now, and
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of that goes down to, you know,
<v Speaker 1>a siding I had way back in not way back
<v Speaker 1>but not too long ago, but definitely hers she's had
<v Speaker 1>some strange, really scary ones, Like there was this big
<v Speaker 1>alpha male that was just pester in her and it's
<v Speaker 1>always when her husband's gone hunting or at work or whatever.
<v Speaker 1>But they had this hot tub in their backyard, and
<v Speaker 1>it would whenever she was in the hot tub, it
<v Speaker 1>would like show itself. So it'd just be up on
<v Speaker 1>the mountain side, boom out of nowhere, and it would
<v Speaker 1>just do this call, or it would vanish and then
<v Speaker 1>show up again. And it was just and there's a
<v Speaker 1>lot of weird stuff happening with that one. So I
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I think that one she was so scared
<v Speaker 1>she woven. She didn't know what to do. She would
<v Speaker 1>be stuck in this water. So that was a really
<v Speaker 1>cool episode and I definitely believe her. That was one
<v Speaker 1>of my favorites. See for me, Matt, the one that
<v Speaker 1>really stands out for me is this guy Nathan that
<v Speaker 1>we had on the show. And it's just because it's local,
<v Speaker 1>that's a big part of it. So we're in Utah
<v Speaker 1>and we have the ski ski slopes. There's like Snowbird
<v Speaker 1>and all these there's alta in the different places that
<v Speaker 1>people go skiing up here. Because it's kind of the
<v Speaker 1>big thing to do when you're out here. Funny enough,
<v Speaker 1>we don't ever do it. We've never done it. We've
<v Speaker 1>lived here our whole lives since. Really funny. But anyway, Nathan,
<v Speaker 1>he was at one of those resorts, which is those
<v Speaker 1>places are jumping in the wintertime. They're crazy and busy.
<v Speaker 1>And he was out there and when he walked out,
<v Speaker 1>they're starting to load their car up because I think
<v Speaker 1>they were about to leave the resort. And on the
<v Speaker 1>mountain side they he started observing what looked like for stumps,
<v Speaker 1>these like big black stumps, like tree stumps, you know,
<v Speaker 1>And he was looking at him closer, and I think
<v Speaker 1>he got like binoculars or something to look up close
<v Speaker 1>on him. After a while, they weren't stumps. He had
<v Speaker 1>one stand up and walk off into the top of
<v Speaker 1>the mountain, and then the other one, the little smaller
<v Speaker 1>that was probably the female, stood up and she was
<v Speaker 1>like doing this motion. And then the two other little
<v Speaker 1>ones stood up and they were like little baby ones,
<v Speaker 1>like juveniles, and they all just kind of went up
<v Speaker 1>the mountain side. But what was weird about his encounter
<v Speaker 1>was that he had this vision hit him in his
<v Speaker 1>mind of the alpha male the male that stood up first,
<v Speaker 1>and he got this clear, perfect vision of like all
<v Speaker 1>the details of this sasquatch, and he drew a picture
<v Speaker 1>of it. And it was crazy talking to him because
<v Speaker 1>he's like, I know that sounds crazy, but like it
<v Speaker 1>was this imprint that hit my brain and I saw
<v Speaker 1>him like I was looking right up in front of
<v Speaker 1>him and saw all the details, like the wrinkles in
<v Speaker 1>his face, the hair, everything right. And I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>That one just sticks with me because it's like a
<v Speaker 1>busy area. It's like they're watching people load the cars up,
<v Speaker 1>watching people ski. They're always kind of concerned about what
<v Speaker 1>we're up too. As people. It seems like it's their
<v Speaker 1>entertainment or whatever. And then having that weird image pop
<v Speaker 1>into his mind was pretty interesting to me. And he
<v Speaker 1>measured him after. He's like, after I looked at it again,
<v Speaker 1>I realized they were like tough shed size, all four
<v Speaker 1>of them. He described it like a tough shed when
<v Speaker 1>they were bent over. I'm like, that's insane, and he
<v Speaker 1>was like, you know, he's one hundred feet away or so,
<v Speaker 1>but like you can kind of measure that, you know,
<v Speaker 1>when you're comparing it to trees and stuff. Around and
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was really interesting.
<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, what's the deal with Provo Canyon?
<v Speaker 1>That place is a hot spot. I don't know what
<v Speaker 1>the deal is. There's a lot of food sources. We
<v Speaker 1>actually went up there. We've gone up there many times
<v Speaker 1>because we know it's a hot spot, and we've actually
<v Speaker 1>I've talked to this. My son plays soccer and I
<v Speaker 1>talked to one of his soccer friend's parents one time
<v Speaker 1>and brought up the uent to canyon which is the
<v Speaker 1>Provo area, and started asking him questions like we do,
<v Speaker 1>like you ever heard any weird screams out there when
<v Speaker 1>you're camping? Because they were talking about camp and up there,
<v Speaker 1>you ever had an end? They're like, yeah, what do
<v Speaker 1>you mean? And you know, I start describing it and
<v Speaker 1>they're like they were just getting freaked out, like how
<v Speaker 1>does he know all this? You know? And they had
<v Speaker 1>weird footsteps coming into their tent and all this kind
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. So it's definitely active. We went up there
<v Speaker 1>one time just to investigate, and we had these two
<v Speaker 1>mountain goats with these big horn sheep just hanging out
<v Speaker 1>with us. It was weird. They were on the mountain
<v Speaker 1>side with us and they just like almost like two
<v Speaker 1>brothers just like us. They came right next to us
<v Speaker 1>and they were just chilling and we were up there smoking.
<v Speaker 1>I was smoking my pipe, was smoking his cigar or whatever.
<v Speaker 1>And it's just weird. So there's a lot of like
<v Speaker 1>weird activity up there. It's very powerful, a lot of
<v Speaker 1>animal sources, so food. I went to a place that I,
<v Speaker 1>you know, went to go investigate. In parentheses, I just
<v Speaker 1>there quotes. Rather, I went out there just to go
<v Speaker 1>check out this area that is a pretty big hot
<v Speaker 1>spot from a different podcast, I won't mention. There was
<v Speaker 1>a specific episode that blew me away. I was literally
<v Speaker 1>blown away by this episode. I went to this area
<v Speaker 1>because they named certain names on there, right, and it
<v Speaker 1>was on the map. It was on the map. I
<v Speaker 1>get there, boom, I'm going by myself, dangerous whatever. I
<v Speaker 1>get up to this area and I see something on
<v Speaker 1>the mountain side that was darker than the rest of
<v Speaker 1>the trees right there, and it was hunched over similar
<v Speaker 1>to that tough shed thing, and I was like, what
<v Speaker 1>is it kept catching my eye like what is that?
<v Speaker 1>What is that? What is that? And I was far
<v Speaker 1>enough away that like I don't know, right, but all
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, I took a few photos, and then
<v Speaker 1>I took another photo as I was about to leave,
<v Speaker 1>and it was in a different shape and I'm like whoa.
<v Speaker 1>And it was in the same area, but it was
<v Speaker 1>more slender the last time I took a picture of it,
<v Speaker 1>like it was standing up or something, and I'm like, oh, oh,
<v Speaker 1>So I was like, maybe I'm in the right area.
<v Speaker 1>Then I drove across the road and it says US
<v Speaker 1>government property all around here. Keep out. So there's so
<v Speaker 1>many areas right there that are government related, right next
<v Speaker 1>to the place that I went to. And after I
<v Speaker 1>did a video on a YouTube thing like hey, I'm
<v Speaker 1>going out to this place, everyone check it out. When
<v Speaker 1>I did that, the very next time I went up
<v Speaker 1>with Roman to show him and Chips and some of
<v Speaker 1>the guys we went with, it was off the map.
<v Speaker 1>You can't find it anymore. Like the name is gone.
<v Speaker 1>They took it away. And and there's elks. There's tons
<v Speaker 1>of elk on the other side of the mountain. There's
<v Speaker 1>turkey out there. It's just a head. There's a river.
<v Speaker 1>There's a huge lake. It's called Jordan or Deer Creek Reservoir.
<v Speaker 1>It's all right, there, and we had found a footprint
<v Speaker 1>up there too when we were up there at that moment,
<v Speaker 1>and it was a pretty good decent footprint. It was
<v Speaker 1>a smaller footprint like a juvenile, but it was definitely
<v Speaker 1>like really wide, not kind of like our feet are
<v Speaker 1>a lot wider. Well, and get this matt to last thing,
<v Speaker 1>Prova Canyon if you go right behind that area though
<v Speaker 1>I was investigating, there's a canyon from the old eighteen
<v Speaker 1>hundreds that they named Ape Canyon. Uh, why why would
<v Speaker 1>you name something Ape Canyon in the Utah?
<v Speaker 2>You know, why do those place names exist all over
<v Speaker 2>the United States?
<v Speaker 1>It's weird.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's always Ape Canyon, you know, Monkey Hill, no
<v Speaker 2>neck Hauler, uh, Devil Ridge. You know, it's always these connotations.
<v Speaker 2>And that's actually something that we used to look for,
<v Speaker 2>you know, whenever we'd go scouting new areas, if we
<v Speaker 2>found a place that had some of those names in it,
<v Speaker 2>we would check it out and look for certain geographical features,
<v Speaker 2>and if it had it, we would go there. And
<v Speaker 2>that's led to a lot of adventures.
<v Speaker 1>So, I mean, we have it right outside our neck
<v Speaker 1>of the woods. I mean it's like forty minutes away
<v Speaker 1>from us, right here or a little less, and so
<v Speaker 1>I go up there like on occasion when and by myself,
<v Speaker 1>I've heard hotbeds timelines are you know, fall time, like
<v Speaker 1>right now, right before winter, and like in the spring.
<v Speaker 1>So obviously summer might be a heavy migration area where
<v Speaker 1>they're going further up where you can't see them as easy.
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know. I definitely think there's some truth
<v Speaker 1>to it going on over there.
<v Speaker 2>Does other weird phenomenon happen in that area.
<v Speaker 1>Not that we know of as much, but obviously we
<v Speaker 1>have the whole U in a basin out here, the
<v Speaker 1>whole Skinwalker ranch thing. That area for sure is supercharged
<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot of weirdness. We have land out there,
<v Speaker 1>so there's a lot of even happening on our land,
<v Speaker 1>which is only an hour away from Vernal, which is
<v Speaker 1>close to where Skinwalker ranches. But yeah, there's a lot
<v Speaker 1>there's I mean, there's definitely hot areas that have a
<v Speaker 1>lot of weird activity. I wouldn't say Provo has a
<v Speaker 1>lot of weird activity, but it definitely has the sasquatch stuff.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why, besides the food thing we talked
<v Speaker 1>about in the geographical.
<v Speaker 2>Stuff, I know, we got sidetracked for a second.
<v Speaker 1>No, that was a good sidetrack.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I was just thinking about some things, and I
<v Speaker 2>knew I wanted to ask you guys about, you know,
<v Speaker 2>the Provo Canyon stuff, because whenever it was, you know,
<v Speaker 2>we had like a bunch of sightings happening all at once,
<v Speaker 2>and a bunch of different videos. And I know that
<v Speaker 2>some of the videos are kind of eh, you know whatever,
<v Speaker 2>people probably just trying to cash in on it, but
<v Speaker 2>it's been a hot area for so long, and then
<v Speaker 2>you hear about those places where you do have a
<v Speaker 2>bunch of different things seemingly happening all in the same
<v Speaker 2>geographic region for some reason. So I was just curious
<v Speaker 2>because I'd never talked to anybody that had firsthand knowledge
<v Speaker 2>out there.
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, for most people they've seen those videos.
<v Speaker 1>There's the two that come to mind. The one of
<v Speaker 1>the one standing on the hill that's snowy and it's
<v Speaker 1>this big, giant guy and they're filming from a distance.
<v Speaker 1>That one made the news. And then there's the one
<v Speaker 1>with it's like you can see the leaves on the ground.
<v Speaker 1>He's up kind of on the hillside and he's like
<v Speaker 1>throwing something huge, like a big boulder, right, So those
<v Speaker 1>are the two that come to mind, and and I
<v Speaker 1>think those both would be hard to mimic or to
<v Speaker 1>fake because obviously the giant guy was way huge, and
<v Speaker 1>then the other guy throwing that big boulder is pretty tricky.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's pretty interesting. I invested in that. So
<v Speaker 1>the area, the one with the like the leaves, the
<v Speaker 1>second one Roman said where it's like throwing a little
<v Speaker 1>rock or a bigger rock or whatever at them, that's
<v Speaker 1>right by where, really close to where I investigated that
<v Speaker 1>stuff that I was just saying. So yeah, it's a
<v Speaker 1>it's a heavy area, and I'm I'm always if I
<v Speaker 1>get a chance, I'm always either heading to Provo Canyon.
<v Speaker 1>There's another one called Logan Canyon, and that's another hotbed.
<v Speaker 1>So those are the only two that I've heard of
<v Speaker 1>in Utah. But it's weird because like right up above
<v Speaker 1>Skinwalker Ranch, there's another area that's like Wyoming Border that's
<v Speaker 1>also very heavy with bigfoot encounters. So I mean it's
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's everywhere, right, Like the more you've done this,
<v Speaker 1>the more you start seeing that that's there's really not
<v Speaker 1>like a there's not really like a hot I mean,
<v Speaker 1>there's hotbeds, but there's not. It's everywhere, you know what
<v Speaker 1>I mean.
<v Speaker 2>There's a guy I can't think of his name, but
<v Speaker 2>I ran across him on the internet years ago, and
<v Speaker 2>I know he does a lot of podcast appearances, but
<v Speaker 2>I guess he's like the property owner next to Skinwalker Ranch.
<v Speaker 2>Do you know who I'm talking about.
<v Speaker 1>His name is Ryan Burns. He's a friend of ours,
<v Speaker 1>kind of Ryan Burns. He's cool.
<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, so like I've heard about that stuff. Is
<v Speaker 2>he experiencing the same sort of stuff that's happening on
<v Speaker 2>Skinwalker Ranch?
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, it's like it's like that and more
<v Speaker 1>like I feel like he's got more evidence than those
<v Speaker 1>guys do, and he keeps it close to the chest
<v Speaker 1>because I think he's worried about the public and how
<v Speaker 1>interested it in it is in all this stuff. But
<v Speaker 1>you'll see him post so if you follow him, you
<v Speaker 1>guys can probably follo him on Facebook or whatever. But
<v Speaker 1>you'll see him post things all the time. And I'm like, dude,
<v Speaker 1>that picture is insane, like just amazing UFO. It looks
<v Speaker 1>like it's coming out of a portal or something. Well,
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Wow, dude, we got the opportunity to after
<v Speaker 1>this last convention. We actually got the opportunity to hang
<v Speaker 1>out with his buddy Jeff, and they invited us onto
<v Speaker 1>their land and well his land, Ryan's. But the cool
<v Speaker 1>thing is it was a very small group. We did
<v Speaker 1>a little ghost investigation out there. Was a lot of fun,
<v Speaker 1>but it was crazy because when I got it handed,
<v Speaker 1>we went across this bridge and a buddy of ours,
<v Speaker 1>GEO that we met there, a nice guy from Vegas.
<v Speaker 1>He gave me the spirit box to hold on too.
<v Speaker 1>Right when I grabbed it again, the sensitive thing. Right
<v Speaker 1>when I grabbed it, it just said twins. It just
<v Speaker 1>said twins, like the first thing it said right when
<v Speaker 1>I grabbed it, Get out of here. Yeah, no for real.
<v Speaker 1>And then as we go around the corner, everyone's getting
<v Speaker 1>this weird vibe to the left, like there's these bushes.
<v Speaker 1>It looks just like Skinwalker Ranch because it's right next
<v Speaker 1>to it, so those heavy bushes and stuff, and then
<v Speaker 1>there's like big pastures. We were like looking into this
<v Speaker 1>heavy bush area because we all had weird feelings, and
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden we literally audibly this guy had
<v Speaker 1>one of those like where you can listen in and
<v Speaker 1>have the parabolic You could hear growls coming from that area,
<v Speaker 1>like and we all heard it. It was it was
<v Speaker 1>five or six eye witnesses. And as we come around
<v Speaker 1>the corner, the most audible intelligent thing we heard on
<v Speaker 1>the space box besides the twin thing. We come around
<v Speaker 1>and we're all holding flashlight red flashlights and equipment and everything.
<v Speaker 1>All of a sudden, we hear this thing say hey,
<v Speaker 1>and we look over. It goes always says turn this way,
<v Speaker 1>and so we all turn this way and it says
<v Speaker 1>hello or whatever. So we all say hello, and then
<v Speaker 1>it just goes. I hate these investigators. It just said
<v Speaker 1>that out of nowhere. It was the weirdest thing to
<v Speaker 1>say on that And we're like, okay and so, and
<v Speaker 1>it's very hotbed like Native American burial ground. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of stuff out there. So it was
<v Speaker 1>it was fun. It was a wild experience.
<v Speaker 2>Did you guys ever have spirits interacting with you in
<v Speaker 2>your personal lives?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've had more of a scary like demonic situation
<v Speaker 1>happen a lot. I don't know if demonic whatever the word.
<v Speaker 2>Is, But are you guys religious? Uh?
<v Speaker 1>I consider myself Christian, but I'm not like a I'm
<v Speaker 1>not like a church goer, if that makes sense. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I just believe in Jesus, that's it. Besides that, you know,
<v Speaker 1>I still like research, you know. I think there's a
<v Speaker 1>lot more openness out there. So I don't know. I
<v Speaker 1>don't knock on anything, though, but you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>So and Roman, you're a Satanist.
<v Speaker 1>That was opposite. No, I believe I can control things
<v Speaker 1>with my mind. No, No, I'm the same as him.
<v Speaker 1>I consider myself a Christian. I'm not baptized or going
<v Speaker 1>to any specific church or any of that stuff. But
<v Speaker 1>I definitely again believer of Christ. And I think part
<v Speaker 1>of that does come from this background that we've dealt with,
<v Speaker 1>because I swear the only time you can get rid
<v Speaker 1>of these things is when you say, in the name Jesus,
<v Speaker 1>you got to get the hell out of here, you know,
<v Speaker 1>And in my experience, that's the only thing that's worked.
<v Speaker 1>And it may just be my belief system. I'm open
<v Speaker 1>to that, but it seems to work so well. And
<v Speaker 1>speaking of what you said, Matt, here's a good one.
<v Speaker 1>And I know we're gonna jump ahead a little bit
<v Speaker 1>from the previous nineteen ninety six experience that Roman had.
<v Speaker 1>This one was in two thousand and two. It's called
<v Speaker 1>Pleasant Valley Days. So it's up in Schofield, Utah. If
<v Speaker 1>anyone wants to look that up. It's an old mining town.
<v Speaker 1>It's a really cool town. Actually, there's a lake off
<v Speaker 1>the side of it. It's really pretty. I think the
<v Speaker 1>Beetle Juice town, you know when it's like the intro
<v Speaker 1>Beetlejuice and you got the little guy wave into people
<v Speaker 1>at the barber shop. It's like that. And the cool
<v Speaker 1>thing is like they have this, They have this island
<v Speaker 1>off the lake, and so Pleasant Valley Days is in July.
<v Speaker 1>So it's basically a celebration of independence in a way,
<v Speaker 1>and so they do a lot of the red, white
<v Speaker 1>and blue. They shoot fireworks off the island. There's a
<v Speaker 1>lot of people out there, but it's only for a
<v Speaker 1>few days. But we would go out there during like
<v Speaker 1>a family or reunion with our dad's and as we
<v Speaker 1>were out there in two thousand and two, so we
<v Speaker 1>were around thirteen or fourteen years old, we decided, hey,
<v Speaker 1>let's go to Winter Quarters. And Winter Quarters was the
<v Speaker 1>mining area that they would actually mine copper, coal and silver,
<v Speaker 1>and it was in nineteen May first of nineteen hundred
<v Speaker 1>there was a mining disaster that happened that blew the
<v Speaker 1>whole mine to smitherings And you can actually see old
<v Speaker 1>training carts, like you know, coal carts and stuff on
<v Speaker 1>the other side of the mountain. So it blew like
<v Speaker 1>two hundred feet like it was that bad, yeah, and
<v Speaker 1>really quick. Just to throw a little visual and a
<v Speaker 1>little just a little awesome thing in there, well, scary
<v Speaker 1>and sad thing. But every man that lived in that town,
<v Speaker 1>which was probably more than it is now, husband, father,
<v Speaker 1>all that they everyone worked at the mine. That's like
<v Speaker 1>the only job that was there. And there was also
<v Speaker 1>a town nearby called Price, and everybody who lived in
<v Speaker 1>Price also worked at winter Quarters, So it was kind
<v Speaker 1>of this main hub of like this is the only
<v Speaker 1>job in town sort of thing. And then if you,
<v Speaker 1>I guess, you could start your own business for like
<v Speaker 1>medicine and little stores and things like that. For the
<v Speaker 1>most part, everybody was at the mine. But basically it
<v Speaker 1>was the biggest mind disaster in the West Coast during
<v Speaker 1>the time of nineteen hundred. Two hundred and fifty men
<v Speaker 1>lost their lives or more. They don't know exactly the number.
<v Speaker 1>But when that happened, they couldn't identify the bodies. So
<v Speaker 1>what they would do is they'd put a lot of
<v Speaker 1>these bodies that were charred up in the old school
<v Speaker 1>because the school was the biggest area to put, like
<v Speaker 1>the gymnasium upstairs. So they'd put a bunch of bodies,
<v Speaker 1>you know, have the parents and or families come identify
<v Speaker 1>them if they could, and if they couldn't, they would
<v Speaker 1>just put them in a gravestone and it was unmarked.
<v Speaker 1>There was a lot of unmarked ones up there, and
<v Speaker 1>so that's the sad, tragic part of it. But we
<v Speaker 1>were all right, let's go investigate the school, right because
<v Speaker 1>we're kids, we're going to break into the school. So
<v Speaker 1>we broke into the back of the school. We had
<v Speaker 1>one of those old cam quarters. It was still HD
<v Speaker 1>but it was old. It was like seven to twenty
<v Speaker 1>boom super old school. And my cousin and myself in
<v Speaker 1>Roman were together, us three and also one of our
<v Speaker 1>other cousins. But we put we broke in the back.
<v Speaker 1>There's a little table in the gymnasium. We put the
<v Speaker 1>camera there. We left and all of us left for
<v Speaker 1>about twenty minutes or so, and right after you can
<v Speaker 1>tell when we leave because the audio we still have
<v Speaker 1>it on YouTube, but the audio dissipates right and then
<v Speaker 1>about a minute later, all of a sudden, you start
<v Speaker 1>hearing basketball is bouncing. You hear a kid laugh, you
<v Speaker 1>hear a weird sinister laugh. I don't know what that's
<v Speaker 1>all about. And then you hear a bunch of other
<v Speaker 1>like kids playing. It literally sounds like a full gymnasium
<v Speaker 1>of people. And so that was one of the best
<v Speaker 1>evidences we caught. And it tried to move the camera,
<v Speaker 1>like you can tell when the camera's sitting on the table.
<v Speaker 1>Something was tapping it, like trying to move it. So
<v Speaker 1>after we got that, we didn't know what we caught yet.
<v Speaker 1>We're like, oh, let's go see this when we get home,
<v Speaker 1>because you can't just review it at the cabin. And
<v Speaker 1>we get to our tent and we're staying in a tent.
<v Speaker 1>It's just roaming. Myself and my cousin again, Sean, and
<v Speaker 1>all the older people stay in the cabin. Right, So
<v Speaker 1>we're in this tent and there's a street light that
<v Speaker 1>shines on the tent. This is just giving you context
<v Speaker 1>later for what happens. But we go to sleep, and
<v Speaker 1>as we're all trying to sleep, all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 1>it just sounds like a really, really really windy night.
<v Speaker 1>That's what I thought. I was in the middle, Roome
<v Speaker 1>was on one side, Sean was on the other. So
<v Speaker 1>I look up, I'm like, what's so windy outside? And
<v Speaker 1>as I look up into the like the top of
<v Speaker 1>the tent canvas, I just see, and I'm not joking,
<v Speaker 1>little kid hands pushing on the tent from every angle
<v Speaker 1>of the tent, on the very top, on the sides,
<v Speaker 1>in the middle, everywhere you can look, they're pushing their
<v Speaker 1>little hands, two pairs at a time or a pair
<v Speaker 1>at a time, and trying to push into the tent,
<v Speaker 1>and in giggling too, And there's a little giggle going on.
<v Speaker 1>So I look over at Sean to see if he's awake,
<v Speaker 1>and as I look over, his eyes are wide and
<v Speaker 1>he's just staring at me and not making a sound.
<v Speaker 1>So he's wide awake seeing the same thing. And we
<v Speaker 1>both just sat there in silence until it was done.
<v Speaker 1>I had to pee so bad and I was scared
<v Speaker 1>as hell, and I didn't know Rome was turned the
<v Speaker 1>other way. But when we woke up the next day,
<v Speaker 1>Roman told us the same thing. They were pushing at
<v Speaker 1>his face, actually the two little hands, and he saw it.
<v Speaker 1>But the context of the street light was you should
<v Speaker 1>be able to see a shadow of somebody messing with you,
<v Speaker 1>right if it was like other kids or something that
<v Speaker 1>we knew, and they would have fell into the tent
<v Speaker 1>if they're at the top, so we know it was
<v Speaker 1>something weird. There was no shadows, it was just hands.
<v Speaker 1>It was crazy.
<v Speaker 2>That's terrifying.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, it was so bad, and I got
<v Speaker 1>chills thinking about it right now again because it's too much.
<v Speaker 2>I've heard a lot of haunting stories centered around old
<v Speaker 2>schools and old school grounds. What do you think draws
<v Speaker 2>that child energy to those locations like that, because typically
<v Speaker 2>whenever we think of haunting, we think of like spirits
<v Speaker 2>attaching themselves to people or like objects or like very
<v Speaker 2>personal things, and like, I get it, you know, we
<v Speaker 2>spend a lot of time in schools and everything. It
<v Speaker 2>just it always seems really strange to me that you
<v Speaker 2>have those type PNEs. Do you think it's actually the
<v Speaker 2>spirits of children or do you think maybe it's something
<v Speaker 2>just trying to portray itself as children.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, that's where I was going to go with this, Matt,
<v Speaker 1>that's a good question. That's where I was going to
<v Speaker 1>go with it. Is that I think that it's something
<v Speaker 1>mimicking children for the most part, because yeah, I think
<v Speaker 1>I have a prime example of it now. I have
<v Speaker 1>a like a seventeen month old daughter and a nine
<v Speaker 1>year old son. Myeenth year seventeen month old daughters so
<v Speaker 1>attached to my wife, right, it's just and so it
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter what age. I think kids just they go
<v Speaker 1>to what they're attached to, and I don't think a
<v Speaker 1>school is always what they're going to be attached to.
<v Speaker 1>I hated going to school as a kid, you know myself.
<v Speaker 1>The only fun part was having friends and stuff. You know,
<v Speaker 1>I hated doing homework and all that. So I I
<v Speaker 1>that's my mindset is that it's probably something wanting you
<v Speaker 1>to believe that it's children, and it's a whole gotcha thing.
<v Speaker 1>And so that makes me a lot more stressed when
<v Speaker 1>we do deal with something like that. And I should
<v Speaker 1>mention when we first got into the school, I went
<v Speaker 1>downstairs at first with a friend with or one of
<v Speaker 1>the cousins, and it felt like so heavy, like there
<v Speaker 1>was this weird err in there that felt like like
<v Speaker 1>out of this world. And it's so hard to describe,
<v Speaker 1>but it just felt like there was no sound right there,
<v Speaker 1>and it just felt like I was in a void.
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if there was a portal there
<v Speaker 1>and that's like attracting demonic entities, who knows, but yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and I feel very similar to that. Man, I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I just can't foresee, you know, especially being a Christianist,
<v Speaker 1>I can't foresee like a kid just being here, you know.
<v Speaker 1>I feel like, I don't know, just an age of
<v Speaker 1>accountability and all that. I feel like there's a there
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be a reason somebody should be stuck here like
<v Speaker 1>that at that age. But hey, you know, I don't know, right,
<v Speaker 1>that's why we do this. And I will say that
<v Speaker 1>like maybe this is my opinion of that situation is
<v Speaker 1>maybe just maybe right, we're the only adults, well we
<v Speaker 1>were adults. Yeah, we were still adults that they well
<v Speaker 1>not really, we were thirteen. Maybe that was the area
<v Speaker 1>where all the bodies were sitting, right, So maybe there's
<v Speaker 1>just a lot of unrest and sorrow because those are
<v Speaker 1>the kids that didn't know who their dad was, you know,
<v Speaker 1>didn't get closure that their dad was the one that
<v Speaker 1>died or something. I don't know, and maybe they were
<v Speaker 1>coming to hey, don't leave us, like we were stuck here.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It just felt weird. Something about it
<v Speaker 1>was just off. But yeah, it's a good question.
<v Speaker 2>Is that the scariest event that you guys have experienced?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would say, like probably supernaturally, Like, yeah, ghost
<v Speaker 1>related probably. You know, There's been smaller things where like
<v Speaker 1>there's a mimicking somebody, something was mimicking my mom or
<v Speaker 1>my grandma and my stepdad in our old house and stuff,
<v Speaker 1>and it would sound just like them and you know,
<v Speaker 1>kind of throw you off. But it wasn't anything like
<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing. So yeah, I would definitely say
<v Speaker 1>that was probably our scariest ghost encounter.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and along the kid lines, I just want
<v Speaker 1>to tell one really short one that it's kind of
<v Speaker 1>interesting because I guess my son was involved in this one.
<v Speaker 1>We were living in this house. It was just a
<v Speaker 1>rental house. Well, we owned it, but we were living
<v Speaker 1>in the basement and we rented out the top half.
<v Speaker 1>And there was one time where I was sleeping in
<v Speaker 1>the master bedroom, and again I woke up for the
<v Speaker 1>for no reason, middle of the night, and my wife
<v Speaker 1>was next to me and everything. And this was when
<v Speaker 1>my son was like two and a half three years old.
<v Speaker 1>He was a toddler. And there was this this doorway
<v Speaker 1>to the big walk in closet that I could see,
<v Speaker 1>and for some weird reason, my eyes just went straight
<v Speaker 1>to it, and there was a little girl looking at me.
<v Speaker 1>And again it was one of those things where I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>am I dreaming? This time I was like, am I dreaming?
<v Speaker 1>Am I not? So it was harder for me to
<v Speaker 1>tell if I was awake or dreaming. But now when
<v Speaker 1>I look back on it, I know I was awake.
<v Speaker 1>But I look over and I see this this little
<v Speaker 1>face peering at me from within the closet, and she's
<v Speaker 1>got like red hair coming down with red curly hair,
<v Speaker 1>and I can see kind of the clothes she's wearing,
<v Speaker 1>because I can kind of see your body sticking out
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, and she's wearing like the girl scout
<v Speaker 1>style like clothing, and she has kind of like the
<v Speaker 1>eighties sort of look with her hair and style and everything.
<v Speaker 1>And she's looking at me and I see blue eyes
<v Speaker 1>and everything so I see a lot of detail, and
<v Speaker 1>it's as soon as I look at her, she goes.
<v Speaker 1>She does this like reaction like you're not supposed to
<v Speaker 1>see me, And in my mind's in my mind, I
<v Speaker 1>didn't say this out loud, but in my mind, I said,
<v Speaker 1>you need to go. You're scaring me so bad, like
<v Speaker 1>I was freaked out, So in my mind, I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>you need to go, and she instantly runs, like I
<v Speaker 1>see her run out of the closet and through the
<v Speaker 1>hallway that we have and gaunt, like I just can't
<v Speaker 1>see her anymore. So that happens, I freak out. I
<v Speaker 1>kind of find myself falling asleep again. At some point,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how, I tell my wife about it,
<v Speaker 1>and she's I don't know if she believed me whatever.
<v Speaker 1>But then maybe a few months later, a few weeks later,
<v Speaker 1>my sons. My wife tells me this because I was
<v Speaker 1>at work, but she tells me that he was in
<v Speaker 1>his room and he was so again, he's like a
<v Speaker 1>toddler two three years old and he's playing by himself,
<v Speaker 1>but he sounds like he's talking to somebody or trying
<v Speaker 1>to talk to someone. Back then he just mim it.
<v Speaker 1>He was mumbling and stuff, and also he starts screaming
<v Speaker 1>like crying, like he got hurt or whatever. And so
<v Speaker 1>my wife goes to console him, and we could kind
<v Speaker 1>of understand what he said as parents, just knowing how
<v Speaker 1>he talks and stuff, and he basically referenced that a
<v Speaker 1>little girl was in his room and she hit him
<v Speaker 1>with his toy on his head and then ran out
<v Speaker 1>the room. And when my wife was asking what he
<v Speaker 1>looked like, he described red hair. He said she had
<v Speaker 1>red hair, and so I'm like, wow, and so super weird.
<v Speaker 1>My son doesn't remember it now. We tried to look
<v Speaker 1>up the history of the house and there's nothing weird there.
<v Speaker 1>Nobody died or anything there. We still own the house, actually,
<v Speaker 1>my wife and I, and nothing weird happens there. So
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it was. I think, if I
<v Speaker 1>remember correctly, I did a prayer because I felt weird
<v Speaker 1>that it was a child, like you said. It bothers
<v Speaker 1>me too, So I did a prayer. And she hasn't
<v Speaker 1>been around, so I don't know if she went back
<v Speaker 1>wherever she goes to the light or whatever. But again,
<v Speaker 1>we have renchers that live down there now, and we've
<v Speaker 1>never had any trouble. Yeah, yeah, Well and the weirdest
<v Speaker 1>part too, Matt real fast on my end of that,
<v Speaker 1>as I used to stay at his house a lot.
<v Speaker 1>I had gone through a pretty heavy divorce at the time,
<v Speaker 1>and I was just like, I need I need somebody around,
<v Speaker 1>so I would hang out with him, and you know,
<v Speaker 1>blessed Mells heart again for allowing me to stay there
<v Speaker 1>as much as I did. But I would sit there
<v Speaker 1>and watch shows and then we'd I'd fall asleep on
<v Speaker 1>the couch right there. All the time with these guys, uh,
<v Speaker 1>you know, they'd be in the room whatever. But when
<v Speaker 1>I was on the couch, I would look I would
<v Speaker 1>be sitting looking towards like the living room, and I
<v Speaker 1>used to get this really weird feeling, like really weird
<v Speaker 1>feeling that something was like looking at me really close,
<v Speaker 1>like looking at my eyes, like as close as it can.
<v Speaker 1>So I would and I always saw it as like
<v Speaker 1>a something small and so that and I never knew
<v Speaker 1>this story yet. And then I would turn the other
<v Speaker 1>way and I would look towards the couch cushion that
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you'd normally put your back on and that
<v Speaker 1>would protect me. I'd put a blanket over and I'd
<v Speaker 1>just sleep and I'm like, I'm like thirty one or
<v Speaker 1>something at the time, you know, it's only been a
<v Speaker 1>little while. But then we talked to a guy on
<v Speaker 1>our podcast and he was like, yeah, that's exactly what's happened.
<v Speaker 1>And there was somebody looking any new exact because he
<v Speaker 1>was as sensitive too, and he has like a lot
<v Speaker 1>of like psychic stuff. But I don't know if that's true,
<v Speaker 1>but all I can say is I had that weird
<v Speaker 1>feeling all the time over there, every night pretty much,
<v Speaker 1>so that was weird.
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<v Speaker 2>all out of the ordinary. And speaking of out of
<v Speaker 2>the ordinary, your story just reminded me of this event
<v Speaker 2>we'll call it. At the time, I wasn't staying at
<v Speaker 2>my cousin's house, but I was over there a lot.
<v Speaker 2>There was a period of time when I was staying
<v Speaker 2>there and at the time his first child was born.
<v Speaker 2>This was his daughter and she was a toddler at
<v Speaker 2>the time He had two boys later on, but they
<v Speaker 2>weren't born yet. You know, we grew up as close
<v Speaker 2>as brothers, maybe not as close as you guys, but
<v Speaker 2>generally speaking, we weren't like distant cousins or anything. And
<v Speaker 2>so he had been around me, and he had been
<v Speaker 2>around my house, and he had experienced things, and he
<v Speaker 2>knew that stuff was there, but he wasn't into it
<v Speaker 2>like I was. I don't know if he was afraid
<v Speaker 2>of it or if he was just kind of on
<v Speaker 2>the fence with it, even though he had experienced things themselves.
<v Speaker 2>There's a point in time where he talked to me
<v Speaker 2>and said that every night his daughter was waking up
<v Speaker 2>at the same exact time, there would be laughter. She
<v Speaker 2>would start cracking up, and this would go on for
<v Speaker 2>about fifteen or twenty minutes, and then she would go
<v Speaker 2>back to sleep. And this is every night, and so
<v Speaker 2>he wanted me to come over and check it out.
<v Speaker 2>So I'm over at his house and his living room wall.
<v Speaker 2>On the opposite side of that wall was her bedroom
<v Speaker 2>and her crib. She was still in a crib at
<v Speaker 2>the time. She was probably I don't know, maybe two
<v Speaker 2>years old at the most. You know, she was starting
<v Speaker 2>to talk, but still needed to be in a crib
<v Speaker 2>and everything. Couldn't get out of the crib on her
<v Speaker 2>own or anything like that. So we're sitting there and
<v Speaker 2>I had honestly forgotten about it. We were probably playing,
<v Speaker 2>you know, video games or something. I'm just going to
<v Speaker 2>say the time was one forty five. I don't remember
<v Speaker 2>exactly what the time it was that He told me
<v Speaker 2>that this happened at every single night, but enough one
<v Speaker 2>we hear her just bust out laughing in her bedroom.
<v Speaker 2>She had been quiet the entire night before that. And
<v Speaker 2>then and I'm like, I look up at the clock
<v Speaker 2>and I look at him. I was like, oh my god,
<v Speaker 2>you were serious. So this started sort of an investigation,
<v Speaker 2>and like every night, same exact thing. The second night,
<v Speaker 2>I'm over there when this happens. I sneak down the hallway.
<v Speaker 2>Her bedroom door is closed. I'm staying there listening, and
<v Speaker 2>you can hear her talking to somebody, and I'm just like,
<v Speaker 2>what is going on? And I sit there and listen
<v Speaker 2>for a minute, and I'm like, dude, there's somebody in
<v Speaker 2>her room. I mean, I'm hearing whispering, you know, throw
<v Speaker 2>the door open. She's standing in her crib looking towards
<v Speaker 2>the closet whenever the door flies open, and then she
<v Speaker 2>stops and turns and looks at the door. There were
<v Speaker 2>several instances where she had a dresser in her room
<v Speaker 2>and items that were on top of the dresser, like
<v Speaker 2>stuffed animals and shoes and things would be thrown into
<v Speaker 2>the floor. Like the next day whenever you went in
<v Speaker 2>there and she would still be in her crib. She
<v Speaker 2>can't reach it. The last time it happened, it sounded
<v Speaker 2>like there was a big bang, and we believe that
<v Speaker 2>something may have picked her up and dropped her back
<v Speaker 2>in the crib. It was so intense that at one
<v Speaker 2>point in time I actually slid a piece of paper
<v Speaker 2>and a pencil underneath the door, just to see if
<v Speaker 2>anything would happen. Nothing did, but like I said, at
<v Speaker 2>the time, she was just starting to really talk, you know,
<v Speaker 2>And I asked her who she was talking to, who
<v Speaker 2>was in the closet, who came and played with her
<v Speaker 2>every night, and she said Henry. No Henry in the family,
<v Speaker 2>nobody named Henry. Don't know where this Henry name came from.
<v Speaker 2>And it's kind of a weird name, just for you know,
<v Speaker 2>a little toddler like that to come up with on
<v Speaker 2>their own. But then just like how it all started
<v Speaker 2>out of nowhere, it stopped out of nowhere and there
<v Speaker 2>was nothing else. I don't think she remembers it either.
<v Speaker 2>I don't think she recalls any of that stuff happening.
<v Speaker 2>There was no explanation for it, like the house didn't
<v Speaker 2>have activity or anything like that prior to that or
<v Speaker 2>after just one of those things. And so, like, I know,
<v Speaker 2>I experienced stuff as a kid, And I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>do you guys think that kids are magnets for that
<v Speaker 2>stuff or are they just more sensitive to it? Or
<v Speaker 2>what's going on with.
<v Speaker 1>That that age that you said where they're just starting
<v Speaker 1>to talk, that's when Ezra was seeing that his little
<v Speaker 1>boy was seeing that little girl. And I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's like a weird veil thing
<v Speaker 1>or what. But I will say another thing that happens
<v Speaker 1>with us is, like Roman said it, he wishes he
<v Speaker 1>kind of he comments about it sometimes like wish is
<v Speaker 1>there'd be more that happens because then he gets some clarity.
<v Speaker 1>But I'm like, no, you don't, because like it's still
<v Speaker 1>happened to me sometimes. But but yeah, for kids, there's
<v Speaker 1>something weird about it. It's like they're closer to the
<v Speaker 1>veil whatever it might be. But they're just or maybe
<v Speaker 1>just they're just open, like their world hasn't messed with
<v Speaker 1>them yet. That's what I think it is. I think
<v Speaker 1>it's an openness because the more you open up to it,
<v Speaker 1>even as an adult, it starts to come around it.
<v Speaker 1>I just think that they're not so closed off. They're
<v Speaker 1>not jaded by the world yet they're not. They don't
<v Speaker 1>heuro judgment. Yeah, they believe everything is possible right, Like
<v Speaker 1>as a kid anything, and that's what's so scary about
<v Speaker 1>being a kid myself, is like anything is real, everything's real, right,
<v Speaker 1>And that also is the most magical. Like I remember
<v Speaker 1>feeling like Peter Pan, like jump off the stairs and fly,
<v Speaker 1>like we could fly. We could feel that way at least,
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I don't know possibility. I think you're
<v Speaker 1>right on that realm.
<v Speaker 2>So now that you're older and you realize that some
<v Speaker 2>of these things are in fact out there. The thing
<v Speaker 2>that I've been working on and questioning everybody about, do
<v Speaker 2>you think that there's a connection between all this stuff
<v Speaker 2>or is it centralized around the person? Is it the
<v Speaker 2>person that's special because like yourselves, I mean, you guys
<v Speaker 2>have had a lot of experiences, and I'm sure you've
<v Speaker 2>talked to other people that have had a lot of experiences,
<v Speaker 2>and those experiences aren't just you know. Sure, sometimes you
<v Speaker 2>do get an instance where like, oh, well, yeah, there
<v Speaker 2>was this one time at my house and I heard
<v Speaker 2>some voices and nobody else was there. But that's the
<v Speaker 2>only thing. But then you have these other people who
<v Speaker 2>are like, yeah, I've been visited by ghosts my whole life.
<v Speaker 2>I've seen UFOs, I've seen Bigfoot, and there's just all
<v Speaker 2>this stuff going on. Do you guys think there's a
<v Speaker 2>connection between the different phenomenons Do you think it's people.
<v Speaker 1>I think there has to be a connection somewhere, and
<v Speaker 1>we're seeing that as we do our show and as
<v Speaker 1>we talk to more people. I agree with you, it's
<v Speaker 1>weird that there are individuals that seem to have and
<v Speaker 1>sometimes it's like you said, they have all the above,
<v Speaker 1>the UFOs, the Bigfoot, the ghostly stuff. Maybe there's something
<v Speaker 1>that like a magnet, like you said, maybe they can
<v Speaker 1>see maybe the other side can see us easier. That
<v Speaker 1>are those ones that are more open in some way
<v Speaker 1>shape or form. Maybe they are gravitating towards it because
<v Speaker 1>they need help or whatever, especially on the spiritual side.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know about the big Foot side, but it
<v Speaker 1>does seem like there are people that have many, many
<v Speaker 1>encounters with Sasquatch Bigfoot, and I don't know. We're still
<v Speaker 1>working it out, honestly, We're just like you. We're still
<v Speaker 1>working it out. And the more you hear, the more
<v Speaker 1>you get confused. The more you hear, the more you
<v Speaker 1>sort of connect. So it's like this double edged sort
<v Speaker 1>of what the heck is happening out there? I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I don't really have an answer on that myself. Well,
<v Speaker 1>but you will, like you'll hear like in the native
<v Speaker 1>tribes and stuff, there's a medicine man and they've been
<v Speaker 1>trained to be a medicine man, right, so, and then
<v Speaker 1>a good point, they're able to see things that no
<v Speaker 1>one else can. Skin Walker is a good example of
<v Speaker 1>the evil side of that, and being able to twist
<v Speaker 1>one's body into something different, right, and really really twist
<v Speaker 1>the fabric of reality in general. I don't know if
<v Speaker 1>it's like, you know, the ones that are more open
<v Speaker 1>and they don't want to be maybe there was. I
<v Speaker 1>don't know, if you believe in past lives, which we've
<v Speaker 1>done a lot of past life study on different episodes,
<v Speaker 1>and if that's the case, you know, maybe there is
<v Speaker 1>levels to your past lives. And if there is levels
<v Speaker 1>to your past lives, maybe you're the one that's The
<v Speaker 1>ones that are getting it here are either way down
<v Speaker 1>here on the level or they're way up here on
<v Speaker 1>the level. They've gone through a bunch of lives. Maybe
<v Speaker 1>they've been a hero in some of their lives and
<v Speaker 1>that's why these beacons are reaching out to them. I
<v Speaker 1>don't know. Maybe there's a reason behind it in the
<v Speaker 1>afterlife that we don't really have an answer to. And
<v Speaker 1>also time is relative, it seems like in the afterlife,
<v Speaker 1>So who knows, right, But that's a speculation as well.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, I don't know, But we don't know, Matt.
<v Speaker 1>We just don't know. It's a psycho out there. Come on,
<v Speaker 1>give us some answer, somebody.
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's just interesting because you talked about earlier that
<v Speaker 2>guess that you had on that had the Bigfoot encounter
<v Speaker 2>where the image of the alpha popped in his head, right,
<v Speaker 2>and then you have you Jaren, who's got some gifts
<v Speaker 2>of his own, goes out to an area looking for bigfoot.
<v Speaker 2>There's bigfoot, but you don't have any of that psychic
<v Speaker 2>paranormal stuff happened to you? Do you think that you know,
<v Speaker 2>the paranormal bigfoot stuff that people experience, is that bigfoot?
<v Speaker 2>Is it something else?
<v Speaker 1>It's getting heavy in here. Man. It's weird, right, It's
<v Speaker 1>it's a weird thing. Like like I said, I mean
<v Speaker 1>I was out looking for it in a way when
<v Speaker 1>that happened. I know, we're a great team because we
<v Speaker 1>got the cryptid guy and the ghost guy, so it's
<v Speaker 1>like we can kind of yeah. But I'm like, but
<v Speaker 1>why why was it? Why again? Why was it me
<v Speaker 1>that that sees it? I mean, I don't know. It's
<v Speaker 1>a good question. And then there's people that will do
<v Speaker 1>this for forty five years their whole life and they
<v Speaker 1>never have one Class B or A siding. They don't
<v Speaker 1>have any sighting, but they love it. They're still interested, right,
<v Speaker 1>So it's like, why is it that somebody that's still
<v Speaker 1>interested can't And why is it that somebody maybe isn't
<v Speaker 1>interested has a really horrifying siding and they never want
<v Speaker 1>to see it again. I don't know. It's a good question.
<v Speaker 1>And that's for everything. That's not just for Bigfoot, right,
<v Speaker 1>that's for there's people out there that are like, ah,
<v Speaker 1>I'm a sensitive like myself. I don't really want to
<v Speaker 1>do deal with a ghost showing up in my room
<v Speaker 1>every night trying to ask me help me. I drowned
<v Speaker 1>last night, Like, no way. But you find out these
<v Speaker 1>connections really quick. That like with alien abduction for example,
<v Speaker 1>where you know people are hearing the telepathic communication and
<v Speaker 1>then their body gets frozen and stuff. You get that
<v Speaker 1>with like we're gonna do a show. Our next show
<v Speaker 1>coming out is going to be on sleep paralysis, and
<v Speaker 1>that's like a very You get that with ghosts or
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is that's doing that to you if it
<v Speaker 1>is not scientific, which it could be scientific as well,
<v Speaker 1>but it's like, I don't know. Yeah, the more we
<v Speaker 1>do this, the more it's like you are seeing those connections,
<v Speaker 1>and it's across the board from different different entities. It's
<v Speaker 1>not just ghosts. And again, Bigfoot sort of speaks telepathically
<v Speaker 1>apparently to a lot of different eyewitnesses, and that image
<v Speaker 1>going in that guy's head is sort of a telepathic
<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. If it did come from that entity.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it just came from the man. That's the other thing.
<v Speaker 1>You don't where's the who's the egg, and who's the chicken? Right,
<v Speaker 1>It's like, it's just hard to know. We have no answers.
<v Speaker 2>We don't know anything. So let me just clue you
<v Speaker 2>guys in twenty years from now, well, you're still not
<v Speaker 2>going to have those answers. I mean, hopefully you guys
<v Speaker 2>will you know, hopefully the answers will come out eventually,
<v Speaker 2>but I don't think they're going to.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we're still trying to figure out what anything is.
<v Speaker 2>Like.
<v Speaker 1>We don't even know what's in the deep sea yet
<v Speaker 1>all the way as science says, right, we don't even
<v Speaker 1>know what how light specifically works one hundred percent or
<v Speaker 1>how like sleep process. That's when we're going to talk about,
<v Speaker 1>like he was saying, some of it has a science packing,
<v Speaker 1>but they still don't have an answer as to why
<v Speaker 1>these entities show up in the room.
<v Speaker 2>Too.
<v Speaker 1>There is those other things that are science based, but
<v Speaker 1>there's always that other thing, and it always has a
<v Speaker 1>connection with other people that have had that same experience.
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know, it's I think we're almost there.
<v Speaker 1>There's pieces of the puzzle we're figuring out. But it's
<v Speaker 1>the same thing you always say, like or all of
<v Speaker 1>us always say. It's like, you know, you go down
<v Speaker 1>a path, you're like in a corn maze. All of
<v Speaker 1>a sudden there's another and now we've got to go
<v Speaker 1>back and go the other way. And then all of
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, you went down that same path you thought
<v Speaker 1>you went down. Now it's open again. It's like, I
<v Speaker 1>don't get it. But I will say, Matt really quick,
<v Speaker 1>just to time on my brother's comment there. I think
<v Speaker 1>that's why I don't know. I think that's why it's
<v Speaker 1>good to be more open, Like this is the way
<v Speaker 1>at least my mentality is, and I think my brothers too.
<v Speaker 1>We just want to be a little bit more open
<v Speaker 1>and not try to like stay in one specific camp
<v Speaker 1>or line, because the more you kind of box yourselves in,
<v Speaker 1>the more you kind of cut off like certain things
<v Speaker 1>from people's experiences because you're like, that doesn't fit my
<v Speaker 1>idea of what's going on. So, like you said, you
<v Speaker 1>were I don't know if we were talking off air
<v Speaker 1>about your thing that you mentioned that you're going off
<v Speaker 1>sort of a rabbit hole and doing all this investigation
<v Speaker 1>that's taking you a different way, and that that's true,
<v Speaker 1>that's just that's just what comes of it. But the
<v Speaker 1>more you're open to it, I think we're going to
<v Speaker 1>find answers faster than if we put ourselves in little boxes.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's interesting.
<v Speaker 2>Are there any certain rabbit holes that you refuse to
<v Speaker 2>go down? Well?
<v Speaker 1>One thing that terrifies me one hundred percent, and I
<v Speaker 1>really don't want I'm actually more in a dog Man
<v Speaker 1>than this. I really want to know about dog Man,
<v Speaker 1>even though that's really scary, and I you know, there's
<v Speaker 1>like the new best thing. There's like all these connections
<v Speaker 1>where you know, real werewolf floor from the Pritt you know,
<v Speaker 1>UK times in the old sixteen hundreds, and now there's
<v Speaker 1>dog Man sidings and it's like is it all the
<v Speaker 1>same thing? But also so that one I'm into. But
<v Speaker 1>the one I'm not into is the rake the peal
<v Speaker 1>crawler thing. I don't even want to get involved in that.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that is, but it doesn't seem
<v Speaker 1>anything good whatsoever. There's just no good in it in
<v Speaker 1>my opinion. So I don't know. I just don't want
<v Speaker 1>to get down that rabbit hole. I'm a little scared,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm a little scared of involving myself in like
<v Speaker 1>the DMT world because I'm actually scared in my own
<v Speaker 1>mind a little bit. I'm still maturing, and I do
<v Speaker 1>feel like I'm not I wouldn't be ready for that
<v Speaker 1>rabbit hole of experience. What about you, Roman, Oh man,
<v Speaker 1>I've been trying to think about it. I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I'm open to all rabbit holes. I don't think there's
<v Speaker 1>any that I'm concerned about going down. I just I
<v Speaker 1>just don't want to get too That's the other thing.
<v Speaker 1>You can get too lost, and that scares me. I
<v Speaker 1>think this is what drives people mad. These are mad times. Yeah, No,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm pretty open. There's gonna be something
<v Speaker 1>that's gonna pull me back, but right now I'm pretty
<v Speaker 1>open to it.
<v Speaker 2>You guys were talking about doing an episode on sleep paralysis,
<v Speaker 2>and that's what caused me to ask that question, because
<v Speaker 2>there was a point in my life where, for a
<v Speaker 2>period of time, randomly in my twenties, I started experiencing
<v Speaker 2>sleep paralysis on a regular basis and it was super weird,
<v Speaker 2>and there were some things tied to it that were
<v Speaker 2>different than what I had heard people talk about and
<v Speaker 2>what I've read about whenever it comes to sleep paralysis,
<v Speaker 2>and so it's a thing like it stopped, it eventually disappeared.
<v Speaker 2>It was also after it went away, I started sleep
<v Speaker 2>walking heavily, which I had never done. And then that
<v Speaker 2>also went away, and I was talking to somebody and
<v Speaker 2>they brought up some things and asked me some questions
<v Speaker 2>regarding my experiences during that time, and it caused me
<v Speaker 2>to think about things, and that is a door that
<v Speaker 2>I've just kept closed because I'm afraid of you know,
<v Speaker 2>what might be waiting on the other side of it.
<v Speaker 2>The why are you guys doing an episode on sleep paralysis?
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's not like you can't. It's a great
<v Speaker 2>topic and all, but is there a certain reason what's
<v Speaker 2>piquing your interest?
<v Speaker 1>I had I had an experience one time. It was
<v Speaker 1>kind of like, kind of freaky. I think I was
<v Speaker 1>in my twenties two when that happened. And we just actually,
<v Speaker 1>this is more of a listener request. I think we
<v Speaker 1>get this from listeners. They want us to do certain topics,
<v Speaker 1>and this has been one that comes up over and
<v Speaker 1>over again. This and they did time slips for the while. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>there's a Pandela effect, which is also part of that.
<v Speaker 1>Everyone's interested in all that kind of stuff. But yeah,
<v Speaker 1>we just we want to do it because you know,
<v Speaker 1>if our listeners want to hear it, let's let's dive
<v Speaker 1>into it. But also I have like a heavy like
<v Speaker 1>I said, with the DMT thing, that's tying into what
<v Speaker 1>you guys are saying, Like I'm fearful of where that
<v Speaker 1>would go. What if like what if I don't come
<v Speaker 1>back to my body right, Like it's that whole thing
<v Speaker 1>it's like, or am I even leaving my body when
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing that, Like it's the whole astro projection thing
<v Speaker 1>like all that. So I think all of that kind
<v Speaker 1>of ties into it. Maybe when you're in your sleep phase,
<v Speaker 1>you kind of you come out of your body just
<v Speaker 1>a tad bit to where you're in that astral realm,
<v Speaker 1>and that's when you're seeing all that weird stuff. I
<v Speaker 1>don't know, that's a good question, I guess, Matt really quick.
<v Speaker 1>I just came to my mind. But the the path
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to go down is like the CE
<v Speaker 1>five event with Steven Ger a doctor Greer. I'm not
<v Speaker 1>doing that. I'm not going going out to in the
<v Speaker 1>middle of nowhere and trying to call aliens and that
<v Speaker 1>that freaks me out.
<v Speaker 2>So dude, why is it okay? So I mean, if
<v Speaker 2>you go out calling something, how do you know what's answering?
<v Speaker 1>That's the whole abyss stares back thing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, I mean, you know, I've talked to a
<v Speaker 2>few people over the years that have talked about, you know,
<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot mind speak stuff and all that, and I'm like, well,
<v Speaker 2>how do you know it's Bigfoot talking to you just
<v Speaker 2>because you want it to be Bigfoot talking to you?
<v Speaker 2>You know, do you guys ever think about you know,
<v Speaker 2>mimics and demons and things like that that might be
<v Speaker 2>uh pulling the strings on some of this.
<v Speaker 1>That's what scares me about doing things like gifting when
<v Speaker 1>you're a sasquatch researcher, because what are you gifting to?
<v Speaker 1>Like it's almost like you're giving an offering.
<v Speaker 2>To exactly that's a ritual.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, Like what even as Bigfoot, we still we
<v Speaker 1>don't really even know. I mean, we know that it's
<v Speaker 1>like an ancient thing because Native navid tribes like traded
<v Speaker 1>with them and stuff, and at least that's the consensus
<v Speaker 1>and that they're around the world, but like, yeah, same thing,
<v Speaker 1>what are these are we gifting to an ancient nephlum?
<v Speaker 1>Like they always say maybe, and then that that means
<v Speaker 1>it's part demonic, right, And now you're I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>it's a good question, but it definitely those are always
<v Speaker 1>the question. We always talk about this stuff always.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've become extremely conscious recently of the fact
<v Speaker 2>that a lot of the stuff that researchers and investigators
<v Speaker 2>do are really just modern versions of things that were
<v Speaker 2>going on a very long time ago that usually led
<v Speaker 2>to really bad things. Have you guys ever experienced any
<v Speaker 2>missing time?
<v Speaker 1>Okay, oh my gosh. Perfect. We wanted to close out
<v Speaker 1>like whenever. We just wanted to tell this one story,
<v Speaker 1>so it ties in perfectly, which is.
<v Speaker 2>Perfect, going to bust into flames or something at the end.
<v Speaker 1>You're ready for this trick now? Okay, so this was
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty one. All right, now we're getting into
<v Speaker 1>the weeds with the I'm just going to give it
<v Speaker 1>up a potential alien abduction, all right, of who you
<v Speaker 1>guys and me and Roman, Yeah, and we and we
<v Speaker 1>have some good reasons behind this. Like I know it's
<v Speaker 1>gonna say it sounds crazy, right, like everyone, oh man, everyone, everything,
<v Speaker 1>just bear with us. So twenty twenty one, it was
<v Speaker 1>our thirty third birthday, all right. We went into the canyon.
<v Speaker 1>Mel Roman's wife bought us a yurt, like it's like
<v Speaker 1>a cabin's rental, but it's really pretty and it's just
<v Speaker 1>a circular area and there's a fire pit and it's
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the canyon. It's a little cottonwood
<v Speaker 1>canyon if anyone wants to look it up. And the
<v Speaker 1>area that we stayed out was called Tanner Flats, which
<v Speaker 1>is a really pretty area up there. It's kind of
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the canyon and we're hanging out
<v Speaker 1>having a good time. We found it's in the summer.
<v Speaker 1>Our birthdays in the summer, so we're like, oh, let's
<v Speaker 1>go find a place in the river. We stayed there
<v Speaker 1>one night by ourselves already, and that was a really
<v Speaker 1>fun time. Actually, we had a really good time, but
<v Speaker 1>we stayed up really late and we had the fire
<v Speaker 1>going and it was pitch black in that canyon. Everyone
<v Speaker 1>else went to bed, And I think that ties into
<v Speaker 1>this because we were being loud, having a good time,
<v Speaker 1>just me and him. We go to sleep. Next day,
<v Speaker 1>we go to the river. We find this really cool
<v Speaker 1>pot where we can sit in the river. And we
<v Speaker 1>had some friends over at that time, and it was
<v Speaker 1>just a guy and a girl and us two and
<v Speaker 1>we sat in the river, had a good time. We
<v Speaker 1>did have a few beers, right, but nothing, nothing crazy.
<v Speaker 1>It was like three beers each or something like standard.
<v Speaker 1>And as we're hanging out over there, all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of this river, which is the weirdest
<v Speaker 1>place to do this, we all we all blacked out,
<v Speaker 1>all of us, and I woke up and I'm in
<v Speaker 1>the biggest days of my life. Like it felt the
<v Speaker 1>same way it felt when I got my wisdom teeth out,
<v Speaker 1>when you're coming out of that anesthesia and you're like whoa.
<v Speaker 1>I felt like that where I'm like like I got
<v Speaker 1>drugged or something. And I look over and I see
<v Speaker 1>Roman and he's like on the side of the like
<v Speaker 1>the the river. I'm sleeping in the river whatever. I
<v Speaker 1>was in the river the whole time. Mind you really quick.
<v Speaker 1>This is snow melt water, so it's freezing cold, and
<v Speaker 1>it's going to tie into the story because we had
<v Speaker 1>missing time in that situation. I look over Roman, he scrambling.
<v Speaker 1>He looks the same as me. We're both fighting through it,
<v Speaker 1>but the other two are gone. They're not there our buddies.
<v Speaker 1>I found out later they're fine, but they also had
<v Speaker 1>lost time, so they were super weird and they stopped
<v Speaker 1>talking to us for a while, which was also weird.
<v Speaker 1>But I look over Roman and he's looking for his phone,
<v Speaker 1>his keys, his wallet, everything's gone. And we're both barefoot,
<v Speaker 1>we're both in our swimsuit. We're like, we just go
<v Speaker 1>out of our way. You didn't find your phone or
<v Speaker 1>your keys yet. I didn't find my phone. I found
<v Speaker 1>my keys and my wallet and they were in the water.
<v Speaker 1>They were in the water. Oh my gosh, Like so
<v Speaker 1>I pull them out of the water and then we
<v Speaker 1>start crawling out. We crawl up this mountain rockside and
<v Speaker 1>it's heavy. It's like we're hurting ourselves on rocks and
<v Speaker 1>everything because we're so out of it. We walked down
<v Speaker 1>this mountain side to get back to the camp and
<v Speaker 1>then we lay down on the beds boom. We have
<v Speaker 1>this dream. I have this dream. I didn't know he
<v Speaker 1>had it yet. I have this dream and I'm laying
<v Speaker 1>on the on my stomach on the bed on the
<v Speaker 1>yurt and there's two beds, so Roma had one two
<v Speaker 1>And in my dream I wake up and it feels
<v Speaker 1>in the dream it felt super real. I didn't wake up. Sorry,
<v Speaker 1>I was in the dream and I it was The
<v Speaker 1>landscape was like a Kansas or something like where it's
<v Speaker 1>there's not a lot of mountains. I'm in this cornfield
<v Speaker 1>and I'm by myself, and I'm frantic and I'm worried.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Where's Roman, Where's Roman? And as I'm frantic,
<v Speaker 1>I know something's chasing me. So I look back and
<v Speaker 1>I see this thing. I don't know what it is yet,
<v Speaker 1>and I start running away from it. And as I'm
<v Speaker 1>running away from it, I'm running towards this little shack
<v Speaker 1>and a little truck that's over there. And as I'm
<v Speaker 1>trying to run towards this, I look back up because
<v Speaker 1>there's this big shadow over me. And as I see
<v Speaker 1>the shadow, I look up and I see what it is.
<v Speaker 1>And it's a big osprey, like a massive white and
<v Speaker 1>gray bird that's as big as me, and it's a
<v Speaker 1>you know, beak and all, and it looks down at
<v Speaker 1>me with this beady and it's like trying to get
<v Speaker 1>me and I to this truck, almost to the truck,
<v Speaker 1>and then it lands on the shed and the shed
<v Speaker 1>that I was trying to get to, and it starts
<v Speaker 1>pulling these wires off the top of this roof. There's
<v Speaker 1>like all these wires, like it's almost like a telecommunication shack.
<v Speaker 1>And then I wake up and I'm freaking out. And
<v Speaker 1>when I wake up, I go Roman, and I thought
<v Speaker 1>he was gone because I still feel like this is real.
<v Speaker 1>He's right next to me. And then he wakes up
<v Speaker 1>and you can tell you're part of it. Yeah, So
<v Speaker 1>in my dream, and this has all happened at the
<v Speaker 1>same time, same night, and everything in my dream again,
<v Speaker 1>same sort of setting. It's this cornfield, this like flat lands,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm barefoot in the dream, which ties in because
<v Speaker 1>we were barefoot in real life. Couldn't find our shoes,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm running. I'm frantic. I can't find my brother,
<v Speaker 1>same vibe. I'm like, where's Jaron, Where the heck's Jaron?
<v Speaker 1>And I'm terrified because I know that we need to
<v Speaker 1>get It's this frantic thing, like we need to get
<v Speaker 1>out of there, like we gotta get going. And I
<v Speaker 1>look over and I see this like this little farmhouse,
<v Speaker 1>this little like shack farmhouse thing, and there's a like
<v Speaker 1>a little tacoma like a little truck next to it,
<v Speaker 1>like a little farm truck. And I'm like, oh man,
<v Speaker 1>I need to get to that truck and just get
<v Speaker 1>out of here. I need to see if there's keys
<v Speaker 1>in it, and just speed off. And in my mind,
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking that this is some kind of airbnb or
<v Speaker 1>something that we're staying at, which is weird too. I
<v Speaker 1>always forget that part. But anyway, I'm like, but we
<v Speaker 1>got to go. I'm so scared, and I can tell
<v Speaker 1>there's something coming same thing. All of a sudden, I
<v Speaker 1>look up in the sky and above me there's this astronaut,
<v Speaker 1>this guy wearing a white astronaut suit, and he's got
<v Speaker 1>his arms spread out like a T shape, you know,
<v Speaker 1>like he's flying. And he's got an astronaut helmet on.
<v Speaker 1>But what's weird about the astronaut helmet? So he's wearing
<v Speaker 1>white and gray like you see on a typical astronaut suit.
<v Speaker 1>What was weird about his helmet is it had like
<v Speaker 1>the two eyes, like instead of the full visor, it
<v Speaker 1>has like the two round eyes. They're like glass eyes.
<v Speaker 1>And he's flying overhead and then he lands on top
<v Speaker 1>of the shack the house thing, and there's like a
<v Speaker 1>almost like an ac unit on top of that, and
<v Speaker 1>he starts ripping wires, just like starts ripping the hell
<v Speaker 1>out of these wires and cutting them and stuff, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what's going on. So then I get to
<v Speaker 1>the truck and wake up, like I was trying to
<v Speaker 1>take off, and he's looking at me, so he sees me.
<v Speaker 1>He's like trying to stop me. I wake up. When
<v Speaker 1>I wake up, I look over looking for my brother.
<v Speaker 1>I see him. He's on the bed next to me,
<v Speaker 1>so crazy, and when we look over at each other,
<v Speaker 1>we're like freaking out. I'll oh, I'm so glad to
<v Speaker 1>say I just had this dream, and Rom was like, oh, well,
<v Speaker 1>I just had the same dream, but it was a
<v Speaker 1>little different. And then I looked at my arm that
<v Speaker 1>was hanging down off the bed on this side, and
<v Speaker 1>I had this little red mark right here that was
<v Speaker 1>fresh and it was like sore. And then Roman had
<v Speaker 1>the same one on the other house side in the
<v Speaker 1>same area yep. And so it felt like we had
<v Speaker 1>like an ivy recently or something like when you do
<v Speaker 1>that you get that little prick mark. So it was
<v Speaker 1>really weird. And since then, we still don't know what
<v Speaker 1>it was or anything. I have a little like bump
<v Speaker 1>in my back that's really small that I never had
<v Speaker 1>until after that moment. So I wanted to get chilled out.
<v Speaker 1>But it's just really strange to us. We don't know
<v Speaker 1>what it was, but it feels like an alien abduction
<v Speaker 1>that was sort of a screen memory. Yeah, try to
<v Speaker 1>hide what actually happened to us. What do you make
<v Speaker 1>of that, Matt, just from your side.
<v Speaker 2>Have your buddies said anything about their experience.
<v Speaker 1>No, that's the thing, like they just kind of they
<v Speaker 1>just kind of distanced themselves from us, and we just
<v Speaker 1>haven't had a good conversation. They almost don't even talk
<v Speaker 1>to us anymore. And I don't think there was a
<v Speaker 1>falling out. It's it's more more of a weird thing, right,
<v Speaker 1>like they may have had an experience or they saw
<v Speaker 1>something or I don't know. And this person was close
<v Speaker 1>to me by the way, he was a pretty close friend,
<v Speaker 1>like it was since seventh grade, you know kind of thing.
<v Speaker 2>Any smells associated with the memory.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, we've been asked that before. We were on a
<v Speaker 1>space out radio or one of those Element one fifteen.
<v Speaker 1>I think they asked us that because we told the
<v Speaker 1>story on that show. I don't think so, remember, but
<v Speaker 1>I dirt definitely dirt, Yeah, maybe dirt smell.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. To me, the Matt dream thing really seems like
<v Speaker 2>some sort of kind of like you're saying, like a
<v Speaker 2>false memory implant or something like a placeholder to a
<v Speaker 2>mask what you're actually experiencing at the time. If you
<v Speaker 2>think about missing time, Yeah, this is going to get
<v Speaker 2>deep for a second. So think about think about a balloon, okay,
<v Speaker 2>or just like a piece of rubber and you take
<v Speaker 2>your finger and you poke the balloon and it stretches
<v Speaker 2>out and then you let go and it comes back right.
<v Speaker 2>So imagine if something had the ability to do that
<v Speaker 2>with time. So I'm wondering if, like maybe the dreams
<v Speaker 2>that you guys experienced is whenever the time was stretched
<v Speaker 2>forward and then whenever it's released, you snap back and
<v Speaker 2>you wake up in the river. Yeah, that's how the
<v Speaker 2>missing time thing happens. So in your mind, you go
<v Speaker 2>forward in time and you go to bed and you
<v Speaker 2>have that dream, but in actuality that had already happened.
<v Speaker 2>If that makes sense, This is so complicated.
<v Speaker 1>Man, I've never thought of that. That's that's what that makes
<v Speaker 1>sense though.
<v Speaker 2>That's huge, the Osprey and the Astronaut.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're both the same colors too, that's the weird part.
<v Speaker 1>And they're both the same size basically.
<v Speaker 2>And it could have just been something as simple as
<v Speaker 2>like your different brains trying to process, you know, what
<v Speaker 2>you were seeing, and that's what it ended up being
<v Speaker 2>processed as.
<v Speaker 1>I kind of picture like we we got away somehow,
<v Speaker 1>like we were being abducted, we were in their ship
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, somehow we got away for a second. They
<v Speaker 1>were trying to get us back, and maybe the whole
<v Speaker 1>wire thing. I don't know what the wire thing is,
<v Speaker 1>but it reminds me of like trying to get a
<v Speaker 1>door to shut, you know, like to stop it sort
<v Speaker 1>of thing, or like or changing the IV stuff to
<v Speaker 1>make it so we don't wake up sort of thing.
<v Speaker 1>And the screen memory of the creature he's on Astronaut
<v Speaker 1>with the two separate eyes, I saw big, beady like
<v Speaker 1>osprey eyes. And I'm still a little bit fearful of
<v Speaker 1>osprey to this day, so I have a fear towards that,
<v Speaker 1>and I love wild big birds like falcons.
<v Speaker 2>It's a very specific bird too.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I never saw one before that actually Yellowstone
<v Speaker 1>after we went the next year at Yellowstone, which I'm
<v Speaker 1>repping the shirt right now, but we went there later
<v Speaker 1>to the lake and I saw an osprey and it
<v Speaker 1>freaked me out. I was like, well, that's weird. But
<v Speaker 1>what I was going to say is I wonder if
<v Speaker 1>that's a screen memory, like you're saying, of what we pictured,
<v Speaker 1>what we were actually dealing with. But it was actually
<v Speaker 1>like a standard gray you would see, yeah, because you
<v Speaker 1>get the whole owl thing all the time where people
<v Speaker 1>see owls instead. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm wondering what your buddies saw.
<v Speaker 1>I know, I've tried to get a hold of him.
<v Speaker 1>I think he changed his number. I don't know, there's
<v Speaker 1>a lot. He was already going through a little bit
<v Speaker 1>at that time anyway, with life, family changes and stuff,
<v Speaker 1>so maybe they moved back to California. I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>It's been a while since I've talked to him now,
<v Speaker 1>and he's not active on social media or anything. Haven't been.
<v Speaker 2>Any follow ups with alien stuff that you've experienced since then?
<v Speaker 1>No, not really. I mean, that's the weirdest thing about
<v Speaker 1>it is a lot of times when this stuff happens,
<v Speaker 1>people have other things that come up. Oh, I've got
<v Speaker 1>to say really fast, there's one more parts of this softer.
<v Speaker 1>Ever since that happened, right, this has been an ongoing thing.
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm gonna say now, Oh yeah, oh yeah,
<v Speaker 1>ever since then, I would this never happened to me before.
<v Speaker 1>But now, like, let's just say a car's driving like
<v Speaker 1>fifty feet away and it's in my peripheral, I'll freak out.
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I'll think it's right next to me, like like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>the noise is so loud, like it's and then also
<v Speaker 1>the picture looks closer, so I don't know what that's
<v Speaker 1>all about. But it happens a lot, like lately it's
<v Speaker 1>died down. But for the first like years, a couple
<v Speaker 1>of months, yeah, it was like I would just freak
<v Speaker 1>out over the weirdest little things, like just a little
<v Speaker 1>light ray next to me and I jump. We both
<v Speaker 1>didn't think like it was it was a constant thing,
<v Speaker 1>and it was like on the opposite side, it's weird.
<v Speaker 1>Though it freaked me out. It's been freaking me out,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, wow, you know what, Like maybe I
<v Speaker 1>was just fighting something, and I've just been fighting ever since.
<v Speaker 2>This is making me, this conversation is making me very uncomfortable.
<v Speaker 2>I would say that's a reaction to what you experienced.
<v Speaker 2>I think whenever you were in the river, something ran
<v Speaker 2>up on you that was very scary all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 2>and your mind subconsciously remembers that event, but you don't,
<v Speaker 2>So you're basically having PTSD from the event. Whether that
<v Speaker 2>was an entity of some kind or a craft of
<v Speaker 2>some kind, or I don't know, but that is definitely
<v Speaker 2>I mean, what you're describing is like PTSD of a
<v Speaker 2>very specific event.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it feels weird. It's definitely weird. And that makes
<v Speaker 1>a lot of sense now thinking about it like that,
<v Speaker 1>which is scary to think about because you know, we're
<v Speaker 1>always like talking about we talk about it like it
<v Speaker 1>could be an abduction. But where I was like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>maybe it was just but that's a lot of string
<v Speaker 1>of events that doesn't make a lot of sense, you know.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So because I've experienced missing time once and it
<v Speaker 2>was nothing like that. It was actually with that same
<v Speaker 2>cousin I was talking about earlier, and we were coming
<v Speaker 2>home from a bigfoot event. One of the very first
<v Speaker 2>ones I ever went on. There was this town down
<v Speaker 2>in Texas, and on the way down to where we
<v Speaker 2>were going, uh, I remember driving through the town very specifically.
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's all new and like back then, we
<v Speaker 2>didn't have GPS or anything, so I'm paying attention to
<v Speaker 2>the road and the map and okay, up here we
<v Speaker 2>got to get you know, turn right, and then we
<v Speaker 2>go by this university and we turn left and we
<v Speaker 2>go down this you know, this old brick road and
<v Speaker 2>the old part of downtown and everything, and then it
<v Speaker 2>connects with the loop and we leave out of town.
<v Speaker 2>So on the way back, trying to remember that whole
<v Speaker 2>path to get back home. And it's the middle of
<v Speaker 2>the day. Okay, it's not storming, there's nothing crazy. We're
<v Speaker 2>coming back and we turn on that old brick road
<v Speaker 2>that I was talking about, and we're headed towards the
<v Speaker 2>university where I'm going to now have to turn right,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm just remembering my path and we were talking.
<v Speaker 2>Nothing weird happened, and then all of a sudden, it's
<v Speaker 2>thirty minutes later and we're out of Tyler on the
<v Speaker 2>opposite side, and we were just like looking at one
<v Speaker 2>another and it's like, what just happened? Where did Tyler go?
<v Speaker 2>Like neither one of us remember driving through the town,
<v Speaker 2>and like we're talking, it's multiple stoplights and intersections and like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's a small city that we're having to
<v Speaker 2>drive through and it was just gone. It never happened,
<v Speaker 2>and we're just on the other side and it's literally
<v Speaker 2>thirty minutes later and we have no explanation for it.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, it's so freaky. It's like you're going through these
<v Speaker 1>dangerous stop lights and it's like you have no memory. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's a freaky. Yeah, that's a freaky thing. And we've
<v Speaker 1>heard this from other people too. This is pretty common.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I don't know what that is, if it
<v Speaker 1>is alien related or not, but it's interesting.
<v Speaker 2>Where can everybody find the Supernatural Station podcast? I assume
<v Speaker 2>it's everywhere that they can find Bigfoot Crossroads, so it
<v Speaker 2>should be pretty easy.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, exactly. Yeah, all the all the platforms, we're there.
<v Speaker 1>We're starting to get heavier in the YouTube game, so
<v Speaker 1>right now we're not super active there, but we do
<v Speaker 1>post some stuff that's going to change fairly soon. We're
<v Speaker 1>on TikTok, We're on Instagram, pretty heavy if you want
<v Speaker 1>to message us. A good place to reach us is
<v Speaker 1>Instagram and our email Supernatural Station five at gmail dot com.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, find us wherever you like to listen. I
<v Speaker 1>know some people have preferences on Spotify or Apple or whatever,
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, there you do have to search Supernatural Station podcast.
<v Speaker 1>You have to put podcast in it in order to
<v Speaker 1>have it pop right up. I think I don't know
<v Speaker 1>what's up with that, but we'll get to the bottom
<v Speaker 1>of that. But yeah, but yeah, I do the TikTok
<v Speaker 1>Roman does a lot of the Instagram and then we
<v Speaker 1>do a lot of the YouTube stuff together trying to
<v Speaker 1>do so, I mean, and it's cool because it's fresh
<v Speaker 1>in different places. So we do different.
<v Speaker 2>Things, and you guys cover a range of all supernatural
<v Speaker 2>type stuff and interviews and everything else.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, we nothing's off the table as far
<v Speaker 1>as we're concerned, and we hope people will reach out
<v Speaker 1>if they have something they want to talk about with us,
<v Speaker 1>we'd love to have them on our show. And yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we're just We're just a couple of guys
<v Speaker 1>asking questions and hoping that our platform is comfortable enough
<v Speaker 1>for people to want to share. And we want to
<v Speaker 1>mimic you, Matt. We want to be like a guy
<v Speaker 1>who is trustworthy, you know, we want to be trustworthy
<v Speaker 1>and do our best to let people know that we
<v Speaker 1>believe them in that that this is a safe space
<v Speaker 1>form for the most part. And that's why we don't
<v Speaker 1>mind sharing our show are our stories, because and this
<v Speaker 1>world's weird, stranger than you can ever imagine, and it
<v Speaker 1>keeps getting weirder.
<v Speaker 2>If you've had your own encounter with Bigfoot or something
<v Speaker 2>else you can't explain, and you'd like to share your
<v Speaker 2>story on the podcast, email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at
<v Speaker 2>gmail dot com. Check out the website Bigfoot Crossroads dot com.
<v Speaker 2>You can find links to social media, past episodes, merchandise,
<v Speaker 2>everything you need all in one place. And until next time,
<v Speaker 2>remember there's something in the woods.