#323- Stop Blaming Your Gun: The Truth About Trigger Control

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If you can do a good trigger pull,
you can shoot just about anything.

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And if you have a terrible trigger pull,
you'll always

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shoot awful.

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Hi there.

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Welcome to this episode of the Guns
Podcast.

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I'm your host, Brent Wheat,
along with co-host Rory Huntington.

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We'd like to thank you

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for joining us here on one of the world's
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As we talk about all the stuff
that we find interesting

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about the world of shooting.
So howdy, Roy.

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How's it going today?

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You know what?
I don't have any complaints.

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And Susie doesn't listen,
even if I do, so you know.

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Oh, what the heck? I know.

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Should I cut that part out in the edit?

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Yeah. Maybe not.

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Yeah. Good idea. So.

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Well, today we're going to talk about
a, a topic that I've done zero research,

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but yet I've done an entire lifetime
of research about.

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And it's.

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Why does your trigger pull suck
so badly and.

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Wait for as well?

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As I like to say, why are you a jerk?

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You're a trigger jerk.

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Well, Roy, are you accusing me

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being a jerk, a trigger jerk?

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Yeah, trigger
is the key word there, Exactly.

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If someone today says you're
a jerk, right?

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You know,

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that would be different if they come up
and they say, are you a trigger jerker?

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Yeah, yeah.

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And today we're going to talk about
something that non trained

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people think is completely insignificant.

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And well trained people realize
it's the entire,

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almost the entire, process

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of shooting
wrapped up into one important point.

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And that, of course, is trigger pull.

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If you can do a good trigger pull
you can shoot just about anything.

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And if you have a terrible trigger
pull, pull,

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you'll always shoot awful
until you fix that problem.

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So, Roy, you were police firearms
instructor for a long time.

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Trigger, Paul,

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how important is Trigger

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Paul to shooting whatever.

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It's like only
the only most important thing, period.

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Because you can have
you can really have a crappy stance.

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You could be shooting left weak handed.

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You know,
you could have a terrible sight picture.

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But if you have a marvelous trigger
press, chances are pretty good

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you're going to do whatever it is
you were trying to do, you know?

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Yeah, but if you have the best stance

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ever seen on Earth and a sight picture

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that the gods will be amazed by,

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and then you jerk
the trigger you're going to miss.

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Exactly.

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And don't you agree
that that untrained people,

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they really it's like,
okay, I understand the importance,

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but let's get down to the good stuff
of kicking in doors

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and jumping and rolling and shooting
seven, you know, bad guys.

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It all starts with trigger pull.

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And that's that's why I thought
this was such an important topic,

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because untrained folks
just don't seem to get that.

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And I guess
because it's such a, physically small

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part of what you're doing.

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But it is, as you said, it's
only the most important part

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of whether you shoot in a pistol or rifle.

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Shotgun, crew served weapon.

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Well,
I don't know about that, but anyway, so,

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let's start with Roy, your philosophy.

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How do you explain and how do you teach
how to pull a trigger?

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Well,
you don't know what you don't know, right?

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And, new shooters especially,

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don't know that they don't know
how to pull the trigger.

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Right.

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And I think once you tell them

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that this is important,
many of them will respond positively.

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And then you can take them
through the learning process.

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But I found the ones that are most
challenging are the oh, I grew up hunting.

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My grandfather
showed me everything about guns.

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I already know how to do this.

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And no,
they don't, with very rare exceptions.

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You know.

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I went to basic training in 1972.

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I spent a whole eight hours on range.

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Yeah, I'm an NRA certified firearms
instructor.

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So, but this is a timely topic

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because literally about two days ago,
there was a young man here.

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He just bought his first gun,
a Glock, in December.

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I bumped into him somewhere.

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We started talking about guns.

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He said, you know, I'm really.

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I kind of am struggling
because all my shots are going

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low left all the time, and I just really
don't know what to do. And,

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so I said, well, you know what?

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Why don't you stop by?

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I'll be happy to help you with that,
you know?

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And so he was really surprised
and appreciative.

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He knew me a little bit from magazines
and videos and stuff.

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And so he came over,
we spent a couple of hours and,

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and it was a classic case
of just jerking the trigger, you know,

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and once I made him understand
that the stance you have is fine, right?

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Your sight picture is fine,

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but it's how you press the trigger
that's causing us problems.

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And how I illustrated that with him
was that I put my back to the target

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and I said,
your job is only to aim the gun.

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And I put my finger on top of his
in the trigger guard.

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And then I said, let me press the trigger.

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I said, but
you just keep the sights on the target.

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And so I would press the trigger.

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And we shot about a five round group.

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And so I turned around, I looked
and it was this really nice little teacup

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sized group at about eight yards when
normally his would have been maybe 20in.

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Right.

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And I said, so what have we just learned?

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My back was to the target. Right.

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You aimed the gun.

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All I did was press the trigger smoothly
and look what happened.

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And I have to end his.

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He just, like, went, Holy cow.

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This is.

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I had no idea, you know, and I think
we need to also talk about something else.

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There are people who are better
at teaching this that I am, definitely.

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But people say squeeze the trigger

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and and yes, that's the case.

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But I a lot of people
and I had somebody tell me this

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was they said,
oh well when you said squeeze the trigger,

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I thought you meant like, you know,
squeeze the gun and squeeze it all.

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Because if you if you do like squeeze,
then your whole hand

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tightens up and stuff like that.

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And so there needs to be a way
of where you isolate the grip from

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the press of the trigger.

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And I

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and so
that's what I've explained to people now,

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I also stumbled onto something and I think
I stole this from somebody was I said,

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hold the gun like you would a small bird
so tight enough that it can't fly away.

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That, but not so tight
that you're going to kill it,

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you know, because you we've all seen
those people that squeeze

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a white knuckle, you know, and pretty soon
their hands are shaking

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and they're scared
to death of everything. So,

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the other thing
that I have introduced to people,

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when it's possible with the type of gun
they have, is, a laser.

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And so I don't personally advocate
carrying lasers as a defensive tool.

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But if you do, that's fine.

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Just make sure you're training
and you understand there

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limitations, you know, and advantages.

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But what they're great at is

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you put that laser on a target.

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And when you squeeze the trigger,
if you have a smooth trigger pull,

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then the

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laser just barely dances around because
you can never hold him perfectly still.

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Right.

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But but if you have a jerk, that laser
beam dances

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across the target
like it's doing the Macarena out there.

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Yeah, right.

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Yeah. And.

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And then that's an easy way to practice
drive firing in a safe area

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at home or something. Is that you?

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You put that laser on the wall
and then just keep pressing that trigger

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until it stays smooth, you know, and that
that's a huge advantage right there.

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And somebody did ask me, they said, well,
what about those laser snap caps?

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You know, they make a thing

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that it's like connected to an app
and you can have a screen

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that's reflective and you put a, a laser
dummy around in the chamber.

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You probably seen those.

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And so when you pull the trigger it fires
a little shot, a laser onto the target.

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Well that's fine,
but all it does is show you

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where you happen to be aiming
at the time that you pulled the trigger.

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It doesn't show the laser dancing around.

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So, so, yeah.

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Invest in a $50 red laser
that clamps on the rail

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of your pistol
from Amazon and, practice that way.

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Yeah.

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So I suppose we should define this.

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What if,

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you had to write a

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definition of a good trigger
pull for most guns?

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What does a good trigger pull look like?

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Actually, it's the same for every gun,

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you know,
because ultimately you will always meet.

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But a lot of people call the wall,
you know, which is on a semi-auto.

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It's obvious.

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You take up the slack

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and then you reach a point to where now
the sear actually starts to move, right?

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And then that's when the critical moment

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of the smooth press
and follow through occur.

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If you're shooting a double action
revolver, there's a lot of take up,

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of course,
which is you could consider that to be

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just the initial part of take up
like you would on a single action.

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But then just before the gun fires, you
hit a slightly invisible, smoother wall.

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But that's just before before the,
sear releases.

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And so those two parts of the press
are the most critical press.

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So you can hurry through the beginning.

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You can take up slack like a son of a gun.

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You know, you can stage a double action
trigger pull until

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just before it lets off.

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But then that's the moment of truth.

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And then that's
where everything has to calm down.

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And that's
when everything has to become smooth.

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When you practice your press, you want to
experiment with, if you put too much,

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finger in the
trigger on the trigger, chances are good

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you're going to pull the gun down
and left.

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For instance, if you don't put enough in,
you might pull it in another direction.

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And so finding a spot on there
to where you can press straight back,

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because it's a state of mind
more than anything.

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Because your fingers bending in an arc
so you can't really press straight back.

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But if you imagine
that, press straight back.

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That's the goal there.

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Oh. The other thing
while we're talking about that is,

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and this young man who was here
the other day,

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he tended to ride the reset,
which means in his semi-auto,

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he would he would let the trigger forward
until it just barely reset, you know,

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and then because he said show YouTube
channel or somebody told him that,

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you know, that way you don't have to take
do the take up right now.

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You can shoot faster and more accurately.

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What's that?

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The only thing was,
sometimes his gun wouldn't go off

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because he he
he didn't let it fully reset.

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And so I had to teach him to.

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No, actually, get your finger
like come off the trigger even, you know.

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So it resets fully.

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But, trigger press. Yeah.

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That's
what it's all about. Sight pictures.

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Adequate. You.

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I know for a fact
you will agree with me on this,

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because we have both pointed
guns at bad guys.

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And in all of the, I don't know,

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hundreds of times in our career
where we pointed guns at bad guys,

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I absolutely do not ever remember
looking at my sights.

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I never once aimed through

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my sights
and got a sight picture on a bad guy.

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I would always index
over the top of the sights

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because your eyes will not allow you
to not look.

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It's a threat.

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Yeah. You know.

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Yeah.

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If you're if you're looking at the threat
and then you force your eyes

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to look at the sights,
they will fight you.

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You know.

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And so I think that's proof, though,
that the sight picture

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is secondary to the trigger press,
because we've all seen a lot of cops

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make really good hits.

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They weren't looking at their sights,

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but they were pressing the trigger
really well.

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So. So. Right.

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What do we do?

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Practice. Practice?

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I was going to say.

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And and I'm just going to say,
I think one of the biggest problems is,

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as you kind of alluded to, with that,

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the guy you were training is, you know,
I need to shoot faster.

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And I think that's where you can
I've seen this.

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You can train
folks in a decent trigger pull,

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and then you say, okay,
go a little faster,

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and then it goes
to hell because they think,

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speed means you

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throw all those, fundamentals out
and you just start going really fast

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and they get back into that whole thing
of just snapping their finger back as as,

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hard and fast as they can
and creates a whole host of problems.

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So if you've got to shoot faster,
you do the same thing with maybe

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a little more alacrity, but
you don't change anything at all in it.

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I think that's hard for for complete
beginners to really understand.

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What do you mean?

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I can do all that and think about take up
and but still do it faster.

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Well, that comes with
what's that word you came up with, Roy?

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Practice. Yeah.

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Practice.

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Well, you know,
it's like you don't buy a piano

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and then try to play Tchaikovsky.

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You know, you
you learn where the notes are

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and you learn how to play chords,
and you become smoother,

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and you become more experienced,
and then you can play better,

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and then you can play faster.

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And that's exactly the same as shooting.

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And so when, when you're a new shooter,

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you put all of this
shooting fast out of your brain.

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You're months away from that.

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If you're smart.

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The other thing is, make every shot count.

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One of my favorites targets to use
are those cheap eight

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inch paper plates you buy,
you know, like 500 of them in a thing.

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They're like $3, right?

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So I'll tape up.

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I did what I made the other day.

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I tape
up, 8 or 10 of them on this tall target.

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I have.

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And I said, okay, now let's stand here.

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We set up at about eight yards, and I
said, I just want you to take one shot

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on each target, take your time.

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And then I walked him through.

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Okay. That's it.

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Take up the slack.

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You're at the wall now. Slowly press.

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Think about what you're doing.
Think about the press.

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Be smooth. Don't hurry.

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His particular issue
was that he had a really good press

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and I guess you could even see his trigger
finger move.

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And then they get anxious and they go,

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I have to shoot now.

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You're exactly right.

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And then that last little bit,
it would go actually slow motion

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videoed him and it was
it was clearly obvious in the video

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you could see nice smooth,
you know, trigger pull.

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You could see his trigger
moving back slowly.

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And then all of a sudden, that lad
right at the break, he hurried it through.

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And but the beauty of these targets
like this, where you're putting one bullet

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on each one, is that your
your inconsistencies are obvious.

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So if you're putting 25 shots on
in the center

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of a silhouette, you have no idea
where they're going, right?

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They're spread all over the place.

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So and I just going to hit on that, that,

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you know, I've, I've been to a lot of
training as, as you have to Roy

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and I've only been to a couple that I felt
were a little sketchy and,

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the common denominator in those,

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with those trainers that I

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didn't feel really
did a good job, in my opinion.

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It was that whole idea.

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They didn't
really talk about trigger press,

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or its role in, in, marksmanship.

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They were really focused on speed
and getting those rounds downrange.

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And like you said, now you've dumped
three magazines into a silhouette.

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Well,
did you learn anything? Or you just learn?

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Keep pulling that trigger really fast.

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And, you know,
I contrast that with, say, gunsight.

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And I think Clint, Smith at Thunder Ranch
did this too.

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Is okay.

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Here we are, kids.

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Everybody's ready.

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Make ready one shot, you know, wherever.

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Okay. One shot.

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Wherever.

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And it's funny because about a third of
the class is real impatient.

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So, like, okay, I can do one shot.

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I want to do three and five and mag dump.

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We're building that fundamental.

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And it goes back to that.

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You know my favorite phrase?

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Yeah.

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Slow down, Speed Racer.

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It's when you're when you're, training.

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Certainly.
But when you're training by yourself.

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And I know Roy does this and I do it,
I spend time

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one slow fire shot at a time

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because I'm focused on getting everything,
set up.

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Right.

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And that will show that glaring error of,
oh, man, I really you know,

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I pulled the trigger, I bad trigger pull
whatever my, my issue was.

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But you

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you will not diagnose that and fix it
if you're just mag dumping all the time.

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And if your instructor wants you
to start out, you know, dump a mag

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every time and,
you know, pairs and triples and all that.

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I don't know that that instructor
really knows what they're talking about.

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But when you go to a class
and they start out one single boring shot,

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that's somebody that understands,
you gotta

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you got to build the foundation
before you can put the house up.

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No, I agree completely.

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And I think it's very important
and very beneficial.

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I have a little drill that I do and,

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if someone's new to their semi-auto
pistol is, I have them load

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a magazine with one round
and then close the slide.

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And so when we're ready to shoot, they
put the magazine in, they run the slide,

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they get their shooting stance,
they use their sights, they press.

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We see where the bullet goes.

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The slide locks back
when now they have to stop.

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So they have to drop the magazine.

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We talk about what happened.

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Did you think about it?

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Do you even remember pulling the trigger?

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You know, what were you thinking about?

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They loaded up the round, closed
the slide, put it back in.

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So that does two things.
Number one, it slows things down.

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It gives us a chance to talk about
what just happened.

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And the hidden benefit of this is it
gives them

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manipulation
skills and gun handling skills.

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Right.

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So they get the practice loading the
magazine, putting the magazine in the gun,

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dropping the slide,
locking the slide back.

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And it helps them to practice
all this kind of stuff.

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And, I mean, I think when that young man
was here for two hours,

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I don't think we shot 50 rounds
total, really.

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You know, we went very, very slow.

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And then the other thing we did
was I broke out a single shot rifle

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and he had never shot a single shot rifle.

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Actually, I don't think he'd ever shot
a rifle before, now that I think about it.

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And, so I had him hitting an eight
inch round

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gong at 100 yards
with this rifle pretty fast.

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And it was interesting because that's

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when he really realized
how important the trigger press was. Yep.

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Because it, you know, a rifle.

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You're good in silence on a rest,
you squeeze the trigger.

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I had him kind of jerked the trigger
a couple of times.

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It was. Became real obvious, you know?

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So, I mean, I don't know,
I think if you're new to it,

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don't be in a hurry.

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It's a train.

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Methodically and slowly. The.

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If as you get smoother, you'll get faster.

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I mean, you're not going to become
Robby Latham.

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Probably because he's inhuman, but,

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Yeah.

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And he does it

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wrong according to doctrine,
which we won't get into it for this test.

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It's true.

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He slaps the trigger
like sudden. Slaps the heck out of it.

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But he didn't choose 50,000.

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Yeah, he shoots 50,000 rounds a year.

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You know, I've seen him shoot rings around
people when he was using, a,

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high point, you know, with an 8 pound
trigger pole.

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So, yeah, eight.
But I think take your time.

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Concentrate on that trigger press drive.

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Firing is your friend.

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Get a laser so you can see what's
happening when you pull the trigger.

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Another thing I like to do is tell people.

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Imagine that you have a dime
balanced on the top of your front sight.

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And when you press the trigger,
you don't want the dime to fall off.

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Yeah. And so keep that in your mind.

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We actually used to do that.

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I was going to say I'm laughing because.

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Yeah, that.

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Yeah, that

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because it was hard to get the dime
even balance on the top of that you know.

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Yeah. Model 19. But yeah. Right.

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You know

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now the Glock, you could stack
three rolls of quarters up there.

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It wouldn't move.
It's still a valid drill.

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But you know what was interesting
too with this young man

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is that at the end of the time he was,
he said,

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you know, because I let him shoot up
an, excuse me,

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a single action
which had a crisp purple and he said,

440
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so this trigger pull on my Glock
isn't very good,

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Learning has occurred, grasshopper.

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Yeah.

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And I said, no, it's not,
I said, but you can still shoot it.

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Yeah, I can, because I shot it.

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And he saw I could shoot little groups.

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I said, but it takes practice.

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And so,

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he wants me to install a new
trigger in his Glock. Now.

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Well, that's a that's a good,

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illustration of that fallacy, though.

451
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You can put that new trigger
and it'll be a better trigger.

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But unless he,

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knows how to use that trigger, it's
not going to do him any good whatsoever.

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And that goes back to
that whole discussion we have of Americans

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in general.

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Shooters specifically think
if I buy this new whiz bang,

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5000 accessory, suddenly I'm Robby Latham,
and that's not how it works.

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Young Russ Young, we talked about that.

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Yeah.

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Because he was saying, well,
you know, if I did this, if I did that,

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if I bought this computer program
and I hooked it up to my gun and out

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and I said, no, I said,
if you were already really good,

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I said, then a custom

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trigger will give you another few percent.

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Yeah.

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You know, if you were already really,
really good, then better

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sites will help you a few percent, I said.

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But if you're jerking the trigger
and you put a better trigger and bigger

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sights on it, you will still be jerking
the trigger, you know?

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00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,560
So you have to overcome all that first,
you know, before you make that,

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make that next step.

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00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,160
So but yeah, get so get a laser
if your gun can hold one.

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Truly that is one of the best things.

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And the other thing
when you're practicing with your semi-auto

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or either have your friend load

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your magazine 5 or 6 rounds,
but put a dummy round in there,

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because it's hard to fool yourself,

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00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,480
but you know, but have him do that,
or have your wife or somebody.

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And then when you're shooting, it's
really interesting to be going bang, bang.

480
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And then you go click.

481
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It's for experienced shooters.

482
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That should be horribly embarrassing.

483
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:46,000
And you know, I was going to say I've,
I've still do that on occasion.

484
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:46,800
Not very often.

485
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,840
Typically it's with a new gun,
but you get some kind of malfunction,

486
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,080
you're testing
and you get okay, here we go.

487
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,040
Click oh well, that was embarrassing.

488
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,200
Everybody saw that.

489
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,880
Yeah.

490
00:23:58,880 --> 00:23:59,120
Yeah.

491
00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:01,280
I will say one thing about that though.

492
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,160
I've talked to top, competition shooters
and I've seen them do that.

493
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,200
Right.

494
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,560
Except what they're doing is

495
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,440
they're anticipating recoil
for the recovery.

496
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,040
And so when they're shooting,
they're so good

497
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,360
that as the gun is firing,
they're pushing back down against it

498
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,720
to recover from recoil faster.

499
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,640
Or at least that's what they say.

500
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:27,680
Yeah.

501
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,880
Well,
I was going to say, you know, when you're

502
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,880
truly a Zen master,

503
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,240
quarter point or court recognized expert,

504
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,280
you can break all the rules
and get away with it,

505
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:43,320
just like Robbie Latham, because
I remember we were at gunsight, and he

506
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:45,400
it was a media event.

507
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,760
We were talking about trigger pull

508
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,640
and the, the,
the coaches were working with us.

509
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,840
And then Robbie
kind of got this little look.

510
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,240
He says, I don't do any of that.

511
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,480
And it's like, well,
I guess I can't argue with the result

512
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,880
because obviously, like you
said, he'll shoot rings around anybody.

513
00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:01,200
But that's the difference.

514
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,720
Here's a guy that's been doing, you know,

515
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,720
how many ever rounds per year for decades.

516
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,240
Plus he's superhuman,
you know, I'd love to play in the NFL,

517
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,240
but I don't have the genetics for it, so,

518
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,440
I don't need to compare myself
to, you know,

519
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,360
an NFL player and,
you know, 40 yard dash times.

520
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,640
I need to compare myself
to 63 year old former magazine editors.

521
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,720
So you got to understand that
until you reach that level

522
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,360
where, you know, you can break the rules
and do something different.

523
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,760
I don't care what they taught you
in basic.

524
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,440
I don't care what Papa taught you
when it comes down to the

525
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,600
the magic secret of shooting,
you get your trigger, pull right,

526
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,360
and everything else is downhill
from there.

527
00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:50,400
You know, I've talked to Larry Michel,
like so over dinner and because people

528
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,760
who shoot revolvers, they want to learn
how to shoot double action revolvers fast.

529
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:55,440
Yeah.

530
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,160
You know, well, first of all, you don't
you have to learn how to stay, dude.

531
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,080
You have to learn how to shoot slowly,
methodically.

532
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,920
It will slowly come
as you get smoother and smoother.

533
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,880
Then you'll be able to shoot faster
and you'll be like Jerry Mitchell, like,

534
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:08,200
right?

535
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,200
But Jerry told me was he said,

536
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,440
my trigger
press, it's all about the trigger press.

537
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,280
And so even if he's shooting
six shots in 2/10 of a second

538
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,360
at a target, guess what?

539
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:24,360
He's still pressing the trigger smoothly.

540
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,920
You know, and and and it just
is the way it is.

541
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,360
If you're, if you're watching this,
if you jump on our YouTube channel,

542
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,440
do a search for, shooting small frame

543
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,320
revolvers or, you know, shooting revolvers
accurately, that kind of stuff.

544
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,160
And I've got a kind of a longish video
on how to shoot

545
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,080
small frame revolvers accurately.

546
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,440
And we talk about, sight picture
and staging the trigger.

547
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,240
And I actually show you how to do that.

548
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,000
And, and it's interesting because there's
hundreds and hundreds of comments and,

549
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,200
I mean, virtually all of them were
I never knew this before.

550
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,080
Nobody ever showed me this before.

551
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,440
And I tried it at the range.

552
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,600
And now I suddenly can shoot
my double action revolver accurately

553
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,040
and so it's not anything to be ashamed
about.

554
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,680
You just need to learn.

555
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,200
So. Exactly. Well, good.

556
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,520
Good stuff.

557
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,400
We've revealed the secret of shooting.

558
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,080
That would probably be
a good alternate title for this video,

559
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,720
because it
it really is the secret to shooting.

560
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,920
You mastered trigger
pull and everything else.

561
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,360
Like I said,
is is downhill from there. So,

562
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,320
reach out if you got questions
or comments.

563
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,000
Editor at Guns Podcast USA
or of course you can leave us a comment

564
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,680
if you're watching on YouTube.

565
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,920
And we love to hear what folks are,
thinking about

566
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,760
and their experience
and the questions you have.

567
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,440
And we'll try to help you
as much as we can.

568
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,160
But, you know, Roy,
we we talk about a lot.

569
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,520
We're violating the gun writers code
because we don't know everything, but,

570
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,440
well, at least give you the,
benefit of our experience and our opinion.

571
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,520
Speak for yourself.

572
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,520
By golly, I know. My goodness.

573
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,200
Well, another great episode.

574
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,240
And before we go, we need to,
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575
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,880
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576
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577
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578
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579
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,120
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580
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:28,800
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581
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:34,600
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