Morgan Huelsman: Sending condolences to the man that used my dog's toothpaste.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're listening to in the Vets Office with doctor Josie Horchak.

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Speaker 2: Hi, everyone, and welcome back to in the Vets Office. I am your host, Doctor Josie, and today I have a very special guest. She is no stranger to the mic. She's a key member of the Bobby Bones Show, known for her sharp wit, her impressive production skills, and of course her role as Morgan number two. Most importantly, she is a dog and a cat mom. Welcome to in the Vets Office, Morgan Hulsman.

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Speaker 1: Hi, if you heard a little bit of Morning and growny, I believe it was Remy on the microphone over here.

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Speaker 2: Morgan bro I'm actually very excited because this is a byod or C bring your own dog and cat to the podcast, and we haven't been able to do that because we've been in the iHeart studio, but we're turning things around. You brought both.

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Speaker 1: I decided why not bring my whole zoo with me for you.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. We've got Remy here, who is sitting on your lap, and then we've got your little kitty Hazel. She is in her like little is she in her backpack?

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Speaker 1: Yep, she's sitting in it. She's in her space backpack. I like to call her the astronaut kitty when she's in there.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. I love those people bring their cats and all. We're actually going to talk about this in all different crazy things to the vet, and this is one of my favorite, the little space backpacks.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's the most that she's comfortable in Versus if I tried to bring her in a crate or a blanket, her and I are both going to have a hard time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And when you're carrying them, I feel like in the crate, the crate's like bonking on your side and the cats in there like getting a concussion. So the backpacks are.

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Speaker 1: Great, Yes, no, they're perfect.

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Speaker 2: Highly recommend. Okay, Well, before we dive into all things Remy and Hazel, I always like to start this podcast with a case of the week. So without further ado, this was a case that happened to me when I was practicing in Chicago. I had I actually never saw this patient because the owner was getting out of the car walking through the parking lot with their cat. I'm trying to remember the cat's name. This was like almost ten years ago now. It was a little girl kitty. And what kind of kitty? It was just a gray tabby. Okay, beautiful little gray tabby. Again, I never met her because as the owner was coming into the clinic, the cat was in her arms, jumped out of her arms and ran away. No, and this cat was missing for weeks. We everyone at the clinic went outside. We're all calling for the kitty, looking everywhere for her. She was missing for weeks. Finally, maybe two or three weeks later, the owner gets a call and the cat was fifty miles away outside of the city of Chicago and Aurora, Illinois, and someone found her on the streets and was able to take her into the vet. They checked her microchip and they got her back to her owner.

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Speaker 1: See this is my microchips are so important, exactly, it almost travel so many miles exactly.

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Speaker 2: And actually this made me think, because I just read a story on the internet not too long ago of a cat that was at going to Yosemite, a very well traveled cat with his owners, and the cat, his name is Rainbow, ran away. I think something startled him. He ran into the forest. The owners stayed at Yosemite for days looking for him. Finally, they're like, Okay, well we have to go back home. So they drive all the way back to California, and I think it was like maybe two or three months later. This cat made it nine hundred miles from Yosemite to northern California, only like two hours from his home. Like I think he was trying to get home and an owner, another owner found him on the streets, took him in, and they got him back to his owner.

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Speaker 1: That is so crazy. Also, just an animal's intuition amazing. I've seen so many stories where you're like, there's no way, but then you see him do it right and you get it, like he's smart animals did he know?

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Speaker 2: I mean, nine hundred miles is crazy to think about. How did he know to go.

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Speaker 1: West exactly in the right direction. Their sense of smell stuff is crazy too, like that. Their ability to just utilize a smell and just stay on track of it is crazy.

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Speaker 2: They're so much smarter than we give them credit for.

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Speaker 1: Which is why when you try and train them and they don't allow it, they are choosing to do that correct.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, wait a second, so you're just telling.

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Speaker 1: Me no, Yeah, It's like you know, Hazel loves to hang out on countertops all the time, and I've tried and tried to train it out of her, and she just refuses to listen to me. And that is a choice, that's oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: She just is like, no, this is my house, you just pay the rent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Cats, That's like one of the big things that I hear owners talk about all the time is cats getting on the countertops. They are so frustrated by it. I mean, I guess, if you think about it, your cat's going in their litter box and then potentially like jumping onto your kitchen counter afterwards, which probably is not the best thing in the world, but it's so hard to keep them from getting up there.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I tried the foil thing. And Hazel came from a rough background, so I think she was actually used to counters being her bed and that's where she laid.

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Speaker 2: She doesn't really know much different her, what was her background.

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Speaker 1: She was found as part of a one hundred and thirty cat hoarding situation in Mississippi.

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Speaker 2: Was it really in a house?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were in all one home together, and I think there's also some deceased. The one hundred and thirty were the ones that were alive.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: And she came out the Humane Society of America. I feel like that's what they're called, is the one that came in and like got all of these animals. But then multiple shelters across the country took some in and thirty The Nashville Humane took in thirty of them, and Hazel was one of them. Wow was she?

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Speaker 2: How old was she? When she was eight?

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Speaker 1: Okay, which was crazy. I didn't really know. I had just told somebody there that I really wanted a Siamese and I wanted to adopt. So if any Siamese came in, just kind of let me know, I'd foster. Because I had no idea how Remy was gonna like cats. Remy had been an only child her whole life, right, So I was like, ill, foster and we'll try it. I never asked age. I just took her in and tried it out and had no intention of figuring out like, Okay, what's her health, what's her backstory? I just kind of took her in and as she's getting done with a dental surgery, she had to have all of her teeth but one little snaggle tooth pulled.

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Speaker 2: Funny you say that the minute you said Siamese, and like, I bet she has bad dental disease. They're like one of my poster children for having dental problems.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and she so when I first got her, they're like, yeah, she needs like dental and they give her back to me. This poor cat only has one her one little just snaggletooth.

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Speaker 2: I will say for all the listeners out there, if you're a cat or your dog has to have multiple teeth extracted, they do amazing. I think a big misconception for us is like, oh my gosh, how are they gonna chew? How are they going to do this? And they do amazing without teeth, so they're not really out there hunting for their food. They'll be just fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Hazel gums it. And now Remy just had two teeth pulled recently too, so she's also leaning into her gumming side. But she still has all four of her canines were at least working with that. But yeah, they're both both little old ladies now and they're amazing both.

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Speaker 2: Famar, did you notice a difference in her personality after her dental It was.

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Speaker 1: Hard because I was fostering her, and she still really hadn't come out of her shell, and so she did start to come out of her shell after that, so more. I think that helped significantly and at least her starting to trust me that she was starting to feel better. And Remy too, Like I had tried everything. We've talked about this, like I brushed Rummy's teeth every single night. I did everything I could to keep Remy's teeth healthy. And yet still, yeah, it just happened. She happens to have some breeds in her that that's where it is, and so I took her in and she ended up having to have two of her teeth bowl, then the rest cleaned, and she just she always acts like a puppy. I think, just a testament to me really taking care of her health. But even more so now she's like we're playing all the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like this is amazing. Yeah, she does act like a puppy. I can't believe she's ten.

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Speaker 1: Oh nobody ever believes it. They see her and she's adorable.

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Speaker 2: He comes waddling in, she's got like the little puppy like booty wiggle going on.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but what I call her helicopter tail. It goes all the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. She can get some air with that thing.

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Speaker 1: She could.

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Speaker 2: Okay, back to Hazel really quick, because I'm so interested in this hoarding situation. Yeah was this this was one person that had all these cats in their house.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my understanding.

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Speaker 2: And when she came to It's so interesting because people adopt pets all the time and we may not know their backgrounds, and it's really, I think, kind of a beautiful thing. When they first come to you, they're kind of a shell of themselves, and then you really start to see their personalities. How long do you feel like it took for her to really start like warming up and coming into her own in your house.

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Speaker 1: I really feel like it took at least six months till we really kind of started to establish a relationship. She's she's gonna go on the board, she's Hazel is wandering the studio.

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Speaker 2: We are getting brave now. The mic goes out, it's because of Paul. Is there cat food in here?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Am I smelling cat food?

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Speaker 1: It could be it could be her little like body though, who knows. It also could be her little thing. I think I've put treats. I'm selling cat treats, but she Yeah, it took her a long time and even still to this day. Like she loves, loves, loves people. If somebody starts petting her, she'll push herself into to continue being petted. But she's definitely unsure of environments and she's not sure what's happening around her. She also came with me, came to me with she was already starting to lose her sight, but we just recently confirmed she definitely has cataracts, so she's not seen super well, which also doesn't add to that. Yeah, so I think a lot of those factors took her a little bit longer to adjust, but once she did, man, I mean, and she's great with kids. She's been around my niece and nephew who she adored and wanted them to pick her up and.

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Speaker 2: Love on her. That is very unusual.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like she really really came out of herchelle and she loves if you just even start petting her a little bit, she just purse constantly, just constant.

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Speaker 2: Per I think really when we talked about this a little bit before we started recording, is that a big bonus here is that she is Siamese, and for all the Siamese owners out there, they'll tell you they are like dogs, and so it'd be interesting, you know, if she wasn't Siamese, if she would have adapted that quickly because they are like so social and they love to be around people and interact. So I feel like her true nature is probably able to come out.

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Speaker 1: I think so too. You know, it's funny there's so many people who are like, I'm not a cat person. I'm like, but you have you had a Siamese, because they will make you cat people because they're so social and how they interact with the world, and like even just she mimics Remy. They'll both greet me at the back door. Hazel will open cabinets to communicate with me that she is hungry. Right. She is very much a he's so cute little adventurer, and she just loves to like act like a dog very much. So, so I think I've just always been used to that with cats and that personality. I don't even know a bad cat because I've just always had this experience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, they're the best. And they also are very vocal. We call them like the huskies of of cats. I should say, because they're always like wroun wow. Like they will have a full blown conversation yep.

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Speaker 1: If i'm me out back, show me out. We'll sit there and me out each other and I'm like, I don't know what we're saying, but this is fun.

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Speaker 2: She's like, oh, yes, tell me more about the weather.

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Speaker 1: Yep, exactly, there's something going on, but yeah. The funniest part, though, is hurt between her and Remy. They'll Hazel loves to open cabinets when it's food time, and Remy loves to bark at her when she does that because we're not supposed to do that and the house Remy is very much the sheriff. And so it's this funny dynamic that happens three times a day at my house and they every time it's like, Hazel says, mom, food time, cabinets open, Hey, Remy barks at her, and then if I don't listen, she then comes and sits in front of me and barks until I feed both of them.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, they're really tag teaming it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, they absolutely are.

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Speaker 2: I feel as though you were This is not your home, this is their home, and you were just I just pay for it.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, that's it, but everything else is theirs.

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Speaker 2: I love it now. Okay, So Remy is the sheriff and I'm curious because I see her and immedia. I was like, huh, I wonder what breeds she is? What did your DNA test her?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So funny enough when I went in, I was volunteering at a shelter when she came in as a stray puppy and on her little tag her name was Vulpricks. Vulpricks yep of Pokemon names.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm like, am I missing something?

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Speaker 1: I didn't know either.

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Speaker 2: I had to do.

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Speaker 1: I was like, you kind of.

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Speaker 2: Looked like a Pokemon a little bit. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love to call her an e walk. She gets very much like an Ewok from Star Wars totally. But it said Vulpricks and it also said Maltese mix. Well, my parents at the time had a Maltese and they adored her. They were looking kind of to get another dog. It's like, oh my gosh, she's adorable. This would be perfect. My parents come to meet her and we're all out in the yard together and Remy is just not leaving my side. They're like Morgan, that's your dog. She chose you. I mean, we love her, she's adorable, but she's chosen you. And so I'm like, okay, whatever, And I of course I ended up going on to adopt her. But as I'm leaving, they're like, that's gonna be a big dog. She has big pause and I was like, it said Maltese mix, And now you're telling me we're gonna have a big dog. So which one is it? You really never know, No, you really don't. And at that point I was like, why ared adopted her? Whatever's gonna happen is.

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Speaker 2: That I've already been chosen, So it's happening.

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Speaker 1: This is what it is. And as she got bigger, it was funny when she I actually adopted her, she was all black. She had all black.

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Speaker 2: Friends and trying and like make guesses in my head of what I think she might be. Okay, all black.

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Speaker 1: Yep, So I'm giving you clothes and then you can guess. Okay. So she was all black and then kind of as she got a little bit older, she was a little bit more tan, okay, And now she's kind of grown into this kind of more white beige and with still a little bit of her black on it.

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Speaker 2: Does she have wheaten terrier in her?

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Speaker 1: She does not? Okay, everybody thought she did. I could totally see that she has the coloring of a wheaten terry.

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Speaker 2: She does is she does she have terrier in her?

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Speaker 1: No? No? Really, Well, there could potentially be a version depending how you identify one of these breeds.

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Speaker 2: Okay, a Yorkie, I guess would be not a Yorkie. Hold on, where are you come back over, Harry?

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Speaker 1: She's laying like a little rug on herd. No, she does not shed can no shit?

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Speaker 2: Sue there she comes have anise?

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Speaker 1: Nope?

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Speaker 2: Lost off? So remy, what are you? I would have guessed a million dollars? She would have. Oh you're so gorgeous. Hi, Okay, I need to know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, she's a poodle okay, yes, and a cavalier in a cavey.

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Speaker 2: Okay, she has.

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Speaker 1: Twelve percent Chihuaha in her.

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Speaker 2: Oh, my favorite breed's a cavapoo.

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Speaker 1: I'm not really sure where the cavapoo comes into play. Maybe when she barks is about the only time I really kind of hear it. She's not very lot She's not a chatty dog at all, so definitely woo wah. Yeah, definitely more of the kava poo with the h at the very end.

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Speaker 2: You know, people pay a lot of money for those. I know she's an expensive girl, but we got her for free ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I love that, I guess. Yeah, now that you say that, that makes sense. But the whole like changing of the coat is very wheat and Terrier esque.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very much. So that's why for a long time I really thought she was and so many Wheat and Terrier owners would come up to her and be like, you're a puppy Wheat and Terry. No, this isn't an adult dog you like, she's nine? Yeah, and no she's not either a whit terrier. It's crazy. I don't get it. And everybody always thinks she's a puppy and everybody always thinks that she's like three years old.

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Speaker 2: Well that's amazing. She's got eternal puppy face and like butt wiggle.

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Speaker 1: I love it she does her. But the butt wiggle is signature of Remy too as well. It's to die for.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you and Remy do volunteer work together. Tell me about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we are. We are a therapy Animal Team Remy and I when I first got her, so we kind of went through the very big puppy woe phase, you know, where, oh what did I get myself into?

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Speaker 2: I definitely know about this. This is really important for other listeners to hear because I think people feel alone in that where the first puppy visit, they come in and they're like, oh my gosh, this is like the best. This puppy so cute, it sleeps all day long. And then they come in for their second puppy visit four weeks later and they're like, what the hell have I done? This is so much work, And I feel like they're like, is this a bad puppy? Is it me?

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Speaker 1: Is it them?

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Speaker 2: And I'm here to tell you, like it is a very universal feeling. You are not alone.

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Speaker 1: Yes. I love to say that any puppy or kid at that phase is like a toddler and they don't speak, so you're not gonna understand them or what they want. You just have to constantly kind of guess yeah. And also training them to potty outside is a nightmare in itself. Full time job is I think I got maybe two hours of sleep every night for the first several weeks of that experience. It's rough, and I lasted one day with her being in her kennel at night before I was like, just sleep in the fricking bed and wear a diaper and then I'll take you out every two hours. This is what we're gonna do.

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Speaker 2: Like I need my beauty sleep, I do.

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Speaker 1: This is not working for either one of us, right. So after she got kind of through her puppy phase, she was about like six months, she had had all her shots and stuff, and I took her to a puppy class. We went through basic puppy just socialization together, and then from there we did basic training and she started to love that. I started to really notice she loved just us being a team together. And then we went to advanced training after that. Each of these were like six week courses and it was us together, so I wasn't sending her off or anything. We were just as a team working on training. And after the advanced one of the instructions had come over and be like, she's a really great dog. I don't know if you'd ever be interested, but you should look into therapy work at some point, and I did, and I like thought about it but they had to be at least over two years old because that helps make sure the puppy stuff is out of them, because therapy dogs go into hospitals and retirement communities and schools, all kinds of situations, and they have to be very gentle, and being a puppy is not very gentle.

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Speaker 2: No, They're like, let me parcore off this elderly man.

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, yeah, And so I sat on it for a few years, and then it was like, right before COVID I had went to I found a place called Therapy Arc here in Nashville, and I was like, we'll just go try the test. We'll see if you even passed the exam to do this. And she passed with flying colors. She loved her. She immediately even knew to go into a room and go up to every single person that was in the room without even having been trained.

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Speaker 2: That's so cool. What else was like in the test?

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Speaker 1: They also see like are they able to sit on command? Like do they listen to your commands very well? Or they pulling a lot? Do you have control over them in situations? Are they more gentle, more calm? How do they interact with people? How does the person interact with people, because I think what people forget in the therapy animal team is that you it's both you and the dog, right so, or you and the animal. We've had we have giant rabbits that are also therapy teams. We have cats that are therapy teams. It can kind of be any type of animal.

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Speaker 2: Giant rabbits are a dream come true.

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Speaker 1: They are. They're the size of Remy. They're both the same pound.

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Speaker 2: People don't realize they're huge, and they're so amazing.

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Speaker 1: They are, and they're so fluffy they.

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Speaker 2: Are their big long ears.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The therapy woman who has them, she always pushes them around in a stroller and it's the cutest thing ever. God, I love it. So they can be any kind but as long as they have this very gentle demeanor. And so Remy passed that with flying colors through to go into the training program, which we did for six weeks together. And why I say it's so important on the human side because when you take the final exam to get it's this whole process. You have to know how to go on elevators. You have to be able to avoid temptation like toys and treats. They can't say that word out loud. You have to like just have all of these basically be a good canine citizen, but then also just have this extra layer of a calm demeanor and a loving animal. And so when we went through training, they were like, you're going to interact as a human with the people more than actually rimy is. Rimy's just the kind of the gateway to get them to start talking to people or have interactions. And they weren't wrong.

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Speaker 2: You're a huge part of the equation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And if I don't know how to communicate, and I don't know how to listen to them or ask them questions or engage in conversation, then we're both just gonna be sitting there and it's not gonna do anybody any good. So it was very much a testament one to our bond together, but also just having the ability to be wanting to communicate with people. And she was just kind of that mode of transportation, if you.

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Speaker 2: Will, that is so special. And something you said is it's a testament to your bond. And I find that the owners that really do invest time in training and doing activities like this, the bond that they have with their animal I mean, yes, everybody's bond with their animals is very strong, but it's just enhanced even more.

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Speaker 1: It is. I can since almost immediately when Remy's not feeling well, she can tell when something's going on with me. We just have it. It's a much deeper connection than just your basic pet and human love, which is already so big. But Remy and I just on a different level, are like we're literally it's soulmates in way. It's how I see it. And Hazel's coming into that equation too. But like Hazel and I have a different bond because we weren't able to bond when she was really little and we didn't go through all these training courses and things together. So it's a different type of bond.

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Speaker 2: It is, But that's really special. One thing you said is you can tell when she's off. And recently we had a little bit of an episode, yeah, where I got a phone call from yous are like seven in the mo Was it from you or maybe Bobby text me was like, you need to talk to Morgan too, right now? Yeah, tell us about that.

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Speaker 1: Well, So it's very rare that I don't come into work. If I don't come into work, something's wrong, Like I make a point to always be here, And I texted Scuba, who's our EP, and I was like, I'm pretty sure Remy's about to have an allergic reaction. I cannot leave until this is under control. I'm hoping it will be soon, but I don't know when that's going to be. And then he I guess he told Bobby, and Bobby text me is like, is Remy okay? I was like, at this moment, yes, but I don't think it's going to go well as this progresses, and I was right. She started to blow up like a balloon, like her whole body. Because miss Remy is allergic to everything and something or another. It wasn't anything that she particularly ate because her food is we've gotten that out of the equation, but she's allergic to so many environmental factors. She's allergic to grass, so.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of hard to eliminate.

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Speaker 1: It's everywhere, and she this dog loves to roll in it on purpose. So we do really great at avoiding our allergies. Yeah, but so's something got on her and she just blew up her whole eyes and her mouth and her little body. She had hives all over her whole face was red. She was getting to the point where she wasn't gonna be able to breathe very well.

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Speaker 2: There's a couple of things as an owner that are really scary, and one of them is watching your dog have like a very acute allergic reaction. You feel very helpless, and they're becoming more and more swollen, and you're like, what do I do? I almost feel you're like running around in circles like do I go to the bed, do I not go to the bet and just trying to figure out what in the heck you're supposed to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's really terrifying because you feel I feel like that, and I've watched so many CPR PET videos to be prepared in case whatever happened. Those are the two scenarios where I just feel like you feel so helpless because you're gonna try everything you can but it may not work right. And sometimes you either live close to a vet or you don't, or like in our case, we have you who is a concierge met and who does amazing work, but some places don't have that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. My general rule of thumb for listeners is if your dog is starting to swell up, their eyes are starting to swell, their muzzles swollen. You want to seek veterinary care, whether that's calling like you calling me, or calling your vet clinic and just checking in with them, something that you want to take really seriously, and just like you did, Like I never would have left her at home alone, because we have seen them get so swollen that their airways start to close, they can't breathe, and it can be life threatening. So it's not something to take lightly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's you know, it's a really struggle. I feel for the people out there who are like single pet owners because I don't have anybody at home that I can say, hey, I have to go to work and you can stay here, or we can flip flop or whatever. It's just me. So in that situation, I can't call work and be like hey, y'a, i'll be there. We're gonna I'm like, no, this is me, this is on me, and I'm really sorry, but this is my priority right now. Yeah, And it's hard to make that call, but you have to.

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Speaker 2: It's really hard to make that call. But being a pet owner means you know, making them your priority, and sometimes you have to make sacrifice, and so yeah, I applaud you for doing the right thing. Is she end up coming to the studio that day or no.

00:24:06
Speaker 1: So she did come up to the studio because then I was able to get her into my vet, and so she had actually what we found out, she had an allergic reaction to a flea bite, and whatever flea medication stuff she was on wasn't working anymore. She had either been on it for so long that it just stopped working for her, or it was no longer strong enough. We don't really know. But we basically gave her one of the pills that you can do immediately that gets that to kind of start activating, and then I had to wait a couple of weeks and just bathe her. I was bathing her like every three days. In one of the Don's dish up, you just see a little tail in the microphone that was Hazel Don dished up like every three days. And then finally we got to a point where I could give her some new medication. And now we haven't had that issue again.

00:24:47
Speaker 2: But we just did a whole episode with Doctor Isabella this season about allergies, and yes, I feel like is made for remy a Hazel and we talked about how one fleabite because the saliva of the flea is what causes allergic reactions and our pets can send a pet into a full allergic spiral. So she's like textbook for for that sort of response.

00:25:12
Speaker 1: Oh and I did on both of them. I did. There's which I'm sure you probably probably heard of the five strands allergy. Are they having a little fight over there might be okay, they love to playing.

00:25:25
Speaker 2: They're doing sibling sibling love. I think my foot got in the middle all of that. Oh, Andrew ground shrif.

00:25:35
Speaker 1: And Hazel has a really great left right hook.

00:25:38
Speaker 2: I know those little videos. I don't know if people out there watches or maybe it's just me. Of the cats that are like hitting the like pawing the dogs is so funny to me.

00:25:46
Speaker 1: She's so good at it, like literally just left right right away. I'm like, girlfriend, we got to make sure those nails are always keep the nails in. Yeah, it's really cute when the nails come out, it's very scary. It is. They have very long nails, and she's not declad. I would never do that to her and she but I have to cut her nails every week, and thankfully she's really good about it. But now I don't Now, I don't remember what you had asked me.

00:26:07
Speaker 2: What was I What were we asked talking about?

00:26:11
Speaker 1: We had a dog cat fight, little sibling rivalry.

00:26:15
Speaker 2: Shit is hitting the fan in the BET's office. I can't actually remember what we were just talking about. Definitely okay, yeah again, yes, oh, five strands strands.

00:26:27
Speaker 1: Yes, I had found this environmental Remy Levy's old one. Literally, dog and cat fighter. There's a five strands allergy and environmental tests that you can do with like the follicles of their hair, and I send it in for both of them, and you know, I just got really blessed that I have to animals allergic to everything everything. I changed both of their diets, I did all kinds of things.

00:26:47
Speaker 2: The whole shebang. Yeah, I only to stay consistent with the episode that I did. I don't really love those tests.

00:26:55
Speaker 1: Interesting.

00:26:56
Speaker 2: The hair and blood tests are like the over the counter ones that you can buy off Amazon and not super accurate. Okay, it's when it put like a ton of weight into them. But if you're making the changes and you're seeing improvements, that's great. Otherwise, if you're not. Ohy's like, what come on?

00:27:14
Speaker 1: Hey?

00:27:14
Speaker 2: Changing everything? What's going on? Do I need to pick one of you up?

00:27:23
Speaker 1: Just like sits there? And I told you Remy is the sheriff. If Hazel does anything that, yeah, I know.

00:27:30
Speaker 2: Heel get in your back back.

00:27:31
Speaker 1: We have we have only child syndromes. It's definitely a thing.

00:27:36
Speaker 2: She's like, wait a second, you're telling you this test didn't work all that for nothing? Yeah?

00:27:40
Speaker 1: She so she I really paid attention to the ones that were in the red that were super intense, okay, more than I focused on all the other ones. Yeah. I was like, which things can we start to kind of pull out? That seemed to be just so overacting? And that's kind of what I took from it. That's fair because honestly, other than that's very overwhelming.

00:27:57
Speaker 2: It is very overwhelming. I'm not sure how accurate they are, so I think taking them with a grain of salt.

00:28:04
Speaker 1: So if that's something that isn't super accurate, How do you determine allergies for animals?

00:28:08
Speaker 2: Like how is that the most accurate way is to do intradermal testing? Like how you and I if we went to the allergist they would do prick you, like all those little pricks and seeing what you flare up to.

00:28:19
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, these poor animals, there's no way.

00:28:21
Speaker 2: Then we do it all the time. I don't do it, but the veterinary dermatologists do it.

00:28:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like the animals are okay with it. Yeah, I feel like I would be okay with it. That's why I say that I'd be a huge baby.

00:28:31
Speaker 2: Honestly, the animals are better because I feel like we are like, oh my gosh, this is so scary. I hate needles, blah blah blah blah, and animals like it's such a teeny tiny like they don't even really feel the prick. They don't have that like preconceived notion that we do. So they typically do great. So, Yeah, they can make allergy shots and allergy drops, but that's really the most accurate way if you're like, I really want to get to the bottom of what is causing them to be allergic.

00:28:55
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I do think so much of Hazel's has started to get better. I think Hazel it was just changing honestly to a healthy diet and having enough food in her system and a lot of the things from her past.

00:29:04
Speaker 2: Actually coming from the hoarding situation, it's like hard to even know what her baseline is exactly.

00:29:09
Speaker 1: So I think we're getting back to there with Remy. Remy's always been allergic to different foods, and that was really where a lot of her started. As a puppy, she would start to react to different things. So I've gotten used to having to change her diet a lot.

00:29:21
Speaker 2: I'm used to this.

00:29:22
Speaker 1: I am so at least the diet side, we've done well. And you know, like I said, it gave me knowledge instead of not having any absolutely, but I'm not totally wrong.

00:29:33
Speaker 2: But just you know, there's other options out there. Is if you ever were like, hey, I feel like I still we could do more. She still seems to be really suffering. There's always that option.

00:29:41
Speaker 1: That's crazy. I never even knew they did that, I know, you know, because most places we'll be like, well, we can do allergy shots. I'm like, well, I don't want to keep her on. I want to help her, not just you know, write quick fix right now. I want to know what it is we're doing right.

00:29:53
Speaker 2: Get to the bottom of it.

00:29:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:29:54
Speaker 2: The other thing too, is you could always try We talked about this with doctor Isabella. But you could always try the hype wallergenic food and where they do a diet trial and they eat that and only that for eight weeks, they don't eat anything else, and then by week eight, if they really do have a food allergy, you would see pretty like big improvement.

00:30:12
Speaker 1: Interesting, we may have to try that, although I'm not sure Remy would approve of that. Remmy really likes to eat cheese. Wait a second, Like I don't get any of this anymore.

00:30:21
Speaker 2: The hard it is. The hardest part is like sticking with the plan, especially people that have like toddlers and they're throwing things over their high chair. But if you can get on the same page and I tell owners it's only for eight weeks and then you know at the end of it and do they have a food allergy or not, it's definitely worth it.

00:30:36
Speaker 1: Well. And it's funny because Remy, Remy's always been I always joke that es in Hazel when she came into the picture, they have a better diet than I do. Like they eat the healthiest food that you can possibly find. Hazel eats two different types of canned food of all kinds of different flavors that I rotate all the time because she doesn't like the same one multiple days in a row. And they're the like a super healthy brand. And then Remy gets half of this brand called the Honest Kitchen and then half of a human food that I make, which is mixture of turkey and stowed potatoes, green beans and carrots, like the dream the most best foods you could possibly be giving. And it's but it's a lot. It's a lot to keep up with. And Remy also has to have supplements and just different things to help her as she's gotten older.

00:31:20
Speaker 2: It's a huge undertaking cooking for your pets too. It is my toet owners, and like that is a lot of work. People don't. I mean, I can't even food prep for myself, let alone my animals.

00:31:29
Speaker 1: So that's why I say I've gotten really good for Remy and Hazel. But look at me. I'm like, nah, I'm fine, but.

00:31:33
Speaker 2: They can they can all just go to Taco Bell.

00:31:35
Speaker 1: Literally, I'm like, this is so not how we all need to be doing this.

00:31:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, you know, well I love that. Do they sleep in your bed with you?

00:31:46
Speaker 1: Remy does? As you just heard the little scuffle between them, Remy doesn't really allow Hazel to come sleep in the bed. Sometimes she will if she's so tired. She doesn't pay attention because Hazel's a little sneaky, But yeah, Remy does, and Hazel would love to whenever she does. Especially when I go back home, they both sleep in the same bed together. But for some reason, at my house, it's.

00:32:04
Speaker 2: Really so when you travel back to your hometown, they'll sleep in the same bed together, like we're not in our normal environment. We've got a band together.

00:32:12
Speaker 1: It's kind of like that because my parents have three dogs, and they both kind of like like their space and they like being a little independent, So I think they choose to be together versus separate.

00:32:21
Speaker 2: On that that's totally fair. But then we go back home and it's all back for this week, only we are on the same team.

00:32:28
Speaker 1: It's funny how that works.

00:32:30
Speaker 2: And when we get home, it's over.

00:32:31
Speaker 1: Are you about to tell me not to let her sleep in the No?

00:32:32
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm definitely not. I feel like I'm like the fear of bad news.

00:32:36
Speaker 1: No.

00:32:37
Speaker 2: I have three dogs. Two of them sleep on the floor because they just get hot at night. And then my little ones like wrapped around my head see, and.

00:32:44
Speaker 1: I don't I get it. I know there's like, you know you sleep better or whatever. I'm like, honestly, I don't know that I would sleep better. I'd be like, where are you? Why won't you cuddle me? I like having used to snuggle.

00:32:53
Speaker 2: I love to sleep with my little dog. Biggie is his name, and he's a small dog.

00:33:00
Speaker 1: I know.

00:33:01
Speaker 2: His name when we adopted him was baby Bear, baby Bear, and he only came to the name baby and my husband was like, I'm not calling this dog baby. So we called him Biggie because it sounds, you know, similar to baby Yeah, and he comes to Biggie though he come, oh yeah, he's totally Biggie is for sure his name now. But no, like, he's like my little space heater, and he's so cuddly and that I'm all about. If you want your pets to sleep in your bat with you, I support you.

00:33:25
Speaker 1: You know. It's funny too when I'm on the couch hanging out with both of them, like Rimy will be cuddled like she's little spoon with me, and if I'm like kind of turned it all, Hazel will be in between my knees like back and we're all just I'm just like, well, we're here until one of you moves.

00:33:38
Speaker 2: I feel like I am just gonna have to hold it for the next twelve hours.

00:33:42
Speaker 1: That's exactly. Sometimes I will fall asleep on the couch if we're all peacefully sleeping there, I'm like, I'm just gonna sleep on the couch to night best.

00:33:48
Speaker 2: There's no better feeling.

00:33:50
Speaker 1: There really isn't, and I know there will become a day that I'm going to miss that, so I'm gonna soak it up every time that I can.

00:33:56
Speaker 2: So you're single, have you ever dated anyone that didn't get along or like your pets?

00:34:02
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, really no, I didn't date them for very long.

00:34:06
Speaker 2: That's what I don't know why I'm saying, really like I asked the question.

00:34:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it didn't last very long. That's honestly. One of my first questions before I even really start to consider even going on a date with someone is if they like animals, because I am a massive animal lover. I me and you're producer of this podcast have had this conversation I can't date a hunter, which is funny because yeah, I just I can't. I could if it was like out of sight out of mind, you never bring it home. Yeah, but I just know most hunters that's not the lifestyle. No, And I just I love animals so much that if you don't, we're just going to be vastly on different scales. And you're also not going to understand me as a human being.

00:34:44
Speaker 2: One thousand percent. It's like in your DNA. I feel like, if you're an animal lover and you know all the values like finances, children, all of that, of course is super important, but like if you don't like animals, that is right up there.

00:34:55
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And it's funny. I had I dated one guy and he oh, he had and all kinds of red flags, but he was actually really good to my animals. But something that's really important to me is that I if I see a straight animal, I am going to find a way to get it, and I'm gonna get it to safety. That's just all my plans will be curtailed. I don't care.

00:35:13
Speaker 2: Correct.

00:35:14
Speaker 1: And we were headed to dinner and I saw a dog. I was like, pull over right now, like I'm gonna go find out and he was like, no, we're not, and we're gonna keep going. And I sobbed about this dog I had never met in my life, but I was like, this is not going to work for me. And I remember like sitting in that car being like, this is so important to me that I can't overlook this. We broke up for a multitude of other reasons, but that was something that really stuck in my brain. For future partners, Yeah, they have to be okay with this part of who I am.

00:35:43
Speaker 2: I feel like you at the first date need to be like, would you or would you not stop on the side of the road for a straight animal? I guess check, No, just save us some time, Josie.

00:35:53
Speaker 1: There's also people that I've met who like purposely hit squirrels.

00:35:57
Speaker 2: Oh, don't tell me that.

00:35:59
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. Like, they'll purpose and they'll see or they'll see possums or something. I'm like, stop, I don't what is that animal doing to you?

00:36:06
Speaker 2: I'm calling nine one one on them.

00:36:08
Speaker 1: That's how I feel.

00:36:09
Speaker 2: Not only am I not going to date you, You're going to jail. See that is horrible.

00:36:14
Speaker 1: Oh, the toothpaste one's funny. The toothpape story is funny. What's this? So I did? I did date a guy and you know I brushed Ramy's teeth every single night. Miss Hazel doesn't have to have her teeth brush teeth, but Rammy gets her teeth brush every night and it is with my toothpaste. So I never forget that this is something I have to do. Right. Well, I was dating a guy and we were at the point of him he was staying over and he had went into my bathroom to brush his teeth and he came out and he was like, oh, that toothpaste is super weird. And I was like, what are you talking about. I have Colgate, Like why is it weird? He's like in the green bottle and I was like, can you show me what money you use? And he comes out, I'm like, it literally says dog faced on this bottle.

00:36:57
Speaker 2: You're like, you just brush your teeth with the dog's toothpaste. I did, and you may or may not be illiterate because it says dog toothpaste.

00:37:03
Speaker 1: O like, it says it Vet's best dog enzyme toothpaste. Wait, that is disgusting.

00:37:10
Speaker 2: They like put like chicken flavor in there.

00:37:13
Speaker 1: Yeah. Ah, that's why it tasted a little weird for this poor guy. And I was like, I'm really sorry, but that is not my tooth face and he's like, no, died, what did you guys? Yeah, we didn't work out for other reasons. But I'm I'm not sure if that did or did not play a part in that. It's very possible it did. That is hilarious.

00:37:32
Speaker 2: I have never heard of an owner brushing their teeth a dog toothpaste.

00:37:35
Speaker 1: Well, and I did it. That's the best part. It's in my thing all the time. But yeah, that that poor guy. I think about him often.

00:37:41
Speaker 2: You're listening to this, sir, We are sending you our condolences, our thoughts and prayers.

00:37:47
Speaker 1: Very sorry.

00:37:47
Speaker 2: You might want to use some extra mouthwlaw.

00:37:49
Speaker 1: I might have to make sure I also change that up next time. My data man to have separate toothpaste places.

00:37:54
Speaker 2: I don't know. I kind of feel like that's like a good test.

00:37:56
Speaker 1: It is a little bit.

00:37:57
Speaker 2: Are you aware of your surroundings? Are you can you read the labels?

00:38:01
Speaker 1: Apparently we don't pay attention. That's okay.

00:38:03
Speaker 2: If you start brushing your teeth and he's like, chicken, are you gonna stop?

00:38:07
Speaker 1: Dang?

00:38:08
Speaker 2: Okay, this is good to know. Remy and Hazel are helping you sift through the red flags.

00:38:13
Speaker 1: Oh they sure are. They're so great at that. And honestly, if Remmy doesn't like someone, it is a red flag because she loves everybody.

00:38:19
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. They know and I trust them implicitly. If you come into my home and my dogs don't like you, I'm like, I guess you gotta go. Like they have the best intuition you know.

00:38:29
Speaker 1: Also too, like there was a moment in my dating life where I was in an abusive relationship and Remy was my main concern. She was a reason that I couldn't get out, and so I really sympathize with people when they're in situations like that. And I remember I got on like a red eye. This is all at the same time as Bobby's winning Dancing with the Stars and we're about to go home for Thanksgiving break and I get on a red eye with Remy. This is when back when she used to be able to fly, because she's my emotional sportannel For a really long time, I had some really bad mental health problems and she was a great flyer by the way, like never made a peep, passed out on my lap. She was wonderful. But she flew home with me and I had to leave her with my parents for three weeks so I could go back and get out of my situation. It's the longest turn I've ever been apart from each other. Wow, And it was It was huge because that me being able to take her to my parents was the only thing that allowed me to get out of that relationship, because she mattered to me more than I was even picturing myself in that moment. Right.

00:39:24
Speaker 2: Gosh, it sounds like, I mean, you have told me that your bond is strong, and clearly we've already articulated that, but you guys have really been through it together.

00:39:33
Speaker 1: We really have. She's been through every moment. I often say, I'm like, I really have to get married at some point because she has to be at my wedding. That's the only requirement I have.

00:39:40
Speaker 2: He's the maid of honor, she is.

00:39:42
Speaker 1: She will be there wherever I am.

00:39:43
Speaker 2: So it's gonna make me cry, beautiful.

00:39:46
Speaker 1: This has to happen, and I will be there too, But I don't know that Hazel will want to be there.

00:39:50
Speaker 2: So they're like, no, thank you.

00:39:51
Speaker 1: I like, I'll stay home for this time.

00:39:53
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm sending you my thoughts on prayers I have said it once and I will say it again. The dog that you have in your twenties, through all of your dating and your heartbreaks, and just like growing up and learning about yourself, Like, there is no stronger bond than that. You guys are a testament to that for sure.

00:40:09
Speaker 1: No, there really isn't. And I really cannot possibly fathom the day that she's no longer here. It breaks my heart even thinking that that's the possibility. So we like to think that she is not even halfway there yet.

00:40:21
Speaker 2: No, she has got decades ahead of her.

00:40:23
Speaker 1: Yes, she might be the one dog that lives forever.

00:40:25
Speaker 2: We are going to bet on it, all right. We are going to transition to our paw and Order and we'll be right back. All right. We are back with Paw and Order, where I tell you things that I would not do with my own pets as a veterinarian. Number one on the docket for today is I would never give my dog a pill without putting something around the pill. A lot of people will shove it down their throats or just stick it in their mouth. And my friend actually just took a pill, laid down and the pill sort of burnt a hole in ter esophagus, which humans too. We should always remember, like drink with lots of water, take with food, because if those pills or tablets get stuck in your esophagus, they can cause serious issues.

00:41:22
Speaker 1: No, you're you're putting on my fears that I already have. You should see me take my like all my stupplements I take every day. I'm like throwing my head back because I don't like to swallow it.

00:41:30
Speaker 2: The pawn order segment is very anxiety doucing. I'm not gonna lie, I'm stressed, but no, it's really important. There's great things like pill pockets that you can get on Amazon. I also really like American craft cheese singles. I mean you can get really any kind of cheese singles, but I always.

00:41:45
Speaker 1: Cut up little cheese cubes and I'll shove it in there.

00:41:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, cheese, rab it and lunch meat, just something to coat it. And if you have to give your dog the pill, like just the plain pill, make sure you like squirt some water into their mouth afterwards, because I've seen it and really badly.

00:42:01
Speaker 1: Oh that's a great tip. I would have never known that that actually was. I just always did because it's the only way I can get her to take it.

00:42:06
Speaker 2: But that's makes sense, It's a real thing.

00:42:09
Speaker 1: Okay.

00:42:09
Speaker 2: Number two, I this goes back to earlier, but I would not take my pet to the vet and not keep them on their leash or in their carrier. And this obviously goes for the kitty that ran away and the parking lot. A lot of cat owners especially will walk into the clinic holding their cats. I see a lot of pillowcases, like kitties tucked into pillowcases. Those are always so crazy to me, which is very cute, and honestly, if like you're not, it's better than just like holding your cat, I suppose. But I am a big proponent of putting them in a carrier or the backpack, having them zipped up, because them getting loose is horrible. And then even inside the clinic, like we have dogs and cats and people and all these things, and I've seen fights break out in the clinic between the pets. So just keeping them on the leash, no matter how good your dog is, it doesn't mean that like everybody else's pet wants to be greeted.

00:43:00
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, with Hazel, she's really gotten very curious of the outside. So even when I let my dog out. I have to be like a guard to the door and say you cannot come outside. There's a camera footage of me running being outside and she peeks her head out because I didn't think this was gonna be a thing. And I come like scrambling pig wrestler and get her back inside. Because you leave, I'm never gonna find you again.

00:43:23
Speaker 2: It's like wwe SmackDown, yes and coming for you.

00:43:26
Speaker 1: I do have like she'll go on road trips and she runs the car. She's so great at road trips, which is funny. Most cats aren't, but she loves them. And I put on a breakaway collar with an apple tag just in case because at the very least I can find a path where she might have gone.

00:43:39
Speaker 2: I love that You're a great owner.

00:43:40
Speaker 1: I try to be. I'm also kind of a helicopter owner. Well.

00:43:44
Speaker 2: The other thing you could get her that I think are so cute if she really wants to go outside as the cadio. Have you ever seen those? Are like little outdoor.

00:43:50
Speaker 1: Geocgor Josie, I'm about to this is I'm admitting this. I'm about to get so. I have a deck in my house and I'm looking into estimates to get it all closed in so that she can start going with this is amazing.

00:44:05
Speaker 2: This is not a cadio, this is a penthouse.

00:44:07
Speaker 1: Yep. I'm like, you get more than that. We're gonna step this up and not. She had eight years of who knows what.

00:44:11
Speaker 2: So I love that she's gone from hoarding to living the dream she is. Okay, please send pictures when that takes place. I want to see all right, Last, but not least, I would never get a pet off of Facebook or cragslist, and this brings me back to I did an episode with Tarin not too long ago and she got one of her dogs off of Cragslist. I am not knocking her, I'm just saying that that can be very dangerous. A I don't want any of my listeners to get taken, but also be a lot of times those are backyard breeders that are breeding and then probably not doing the most ethical breeding practices and then selling puppies and dogs to make money. And we don't want to support backyard breeders.

00:44:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, doctor Josie. I'm a huge advocate of rescuing, and if you want any particular breed, you can find it in a shelter, I promise you.

00:44:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what that's It's such a great point. Even here in Nashville, I do a lot of work with wags and walks, and we get standard Poodles, Golden Retrievers, Labradors, like, all the peer breads are coming through the shelters. So if you were a helmet on having a peer bread, I'm not gonna judge you. I support you, but make sure you check your shelters first. And if you absolutely want to go to a breeder and make sure they're reputable.

00:45:21
Speaker 1: And for sure, I will tell you, like I've had so many friends who've tried to get Remy alikes because she is a great dog, and it never works out because I often tell them the biggest characteristic of her is that she's a rescued exact, and so much of that comes from appreciation and understanding that she was saved.

00:45:37
Speaker 2: So one million percent, I say, like those little trust fund babies that come from the breeders, they do not know what it's like to live on the streets. They do not, So the street dogs are where it's at and they're usually the healthiest. So yeah, I mean I could go on and on. All right, Well, that really wraps up our episode for the day. Thank you so much for coming on.

00:45:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me.

00:45:58
Speaker 2: You have your own podcast. Can you remind me what it's called the AA. It's called Take this personally, Take this personally.

00:46:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of Wags and Woks, I had the founder on recently Wags and Box Nashville. She's talking all about like the animal and rescue crisis that's happening right now. It's really sad.

00:46:12
Speaker 2: She's like the queen dog Lady of Nashville. She is.

00:46:16
Speaker 1: And it's like, I say sad because it's heartbreaking, but it's also just hopeful too at the same time that there's a lot of people that are doing some awesome work. Yeah.

00:46:23
Speaker 2: It definitely restores your faith in humanity absolutely. Well, thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate having you. I love your pets. Even though like it kind of broke out into a little bit of World War three and here.

00:46:33
Speaker 1: Welcome to my life. This is the zoo. I did text you and say I'm bringing the zoo.

00:46:36
Speaker 2: You did, and I was like, bring them.

00:46:39
Speaker 1: Well, we really went out with a bang, a dog catfight bang.

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Speaker 2: Actually, hey, you're right we are going out with a bang. And actually this is very fitting because this is our final episode of season two, which has gone by so quickly. I've had the best time. At the end of season one, I was like, gosh, I can't believe it. Now we're already at the end of season two and it's going to be a pretty short break. We're already working on season three, so don't worry. We will be back and in the meantime, be sure that you are subscribing, reviewing, rating, doing all those important things that make this podcast successful. And as always, you can find me on Instagram at doctor Josie Bett. Send me your questions, feel free to DM me and I can't wait to talk to you guys soon