#212 - Naomi Cooke from Runaway June on Living On a Bus as a Kid, Working as a Deckhand in Alaska and the Power of Meditation

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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode two twelve with Naomi from Runaway June. Naomi cooks, which which, by the way, I haven't done much by yourself. Huh. That was the big that That was what I heard that you three were like, I don't know if we can do it by her by herself. Now, I think that's a little misconception. We um, we don't do. I mean, we're just doing music stuff right now, so we don't. You know, if you'd asked me to come over here and play songs, I'd be like, well, you know, the girls can come, but yeah, we do stuff. You could important to have individuality. You could have played the Christmas party tonight, darn it. Yeah, we have Travis Dnni plans to ask me. He's gonna come play much better. Yeah. I was, I guess reading some stuff about you that I didn't know, because like we know each of a little bit, not a lot, not a lot, not a lot bit, but a little bit. And you had mentioned before we went on here that you mentioned meditation, and I was reading that you meditate the top of mountains. Is that true? I have before? Is that every day thing do you find at your nearest mountains trying to find him out every day. Um No, I really, I really get a lot of healing and fulfillment from nature, and so I'm outside as much as I can be. I mean, it's kind of it's kind of odd. But when you're on the road, I mean you kind of know this, but you don't get to get out as much as people think. You know, you're traveling a lot, you don't really get to see as much. So um, when I'm off the road, I'd kind of go back out and travel and try to see spots that I haven't been to. And I really love to meditate nature if I can. Isn't it crazy? You bring up a point that I think maybe people don't realize that as much as we travel. Because I was in Vegas. It did one you in Vegas and it was out and they were like, how' is Vega? It was like it could have been any city. The crowd was great, and I love the venue. But you don't do anything except go sound check me and great, do the show. You're so exhausted, you go to bed, then you get up and you do it again, you know in another city. Yeah, I mean, and it takes a lot. It takes real intention to get outside of that little wheel because if you keep if if you don't, you'll just get in that little wheel and you get really depressed. Like depression is a real thing out there. You're on the same people, you're in the same routine. So, um, I make an effort every day to like try to break that routine. I get off the bus kind of before anyone wakes up, and I just kind of do are you early morning, Naomi? I am an earlier rise, Yeah, and I wake up at three thirty or four every weekday. But I do it because I have to, never because I want to. I want to leave until noon every day if I could. But you're not like that. No, I really just enjoy that time of the day a lot. It's like quiet. No one's blowing up my phone yet. Like, um, I really like watching the world wake up. It's like kind of it's a meditation in itself. It's kind of spiritual, I think. So walk me through this. You come home, you have a few days off, you try to find a spot. Is that it? We want to go and find some I have a spot in my house some some woodland area. Yeah, um, squirrels nest I have Yeah, No, I've I've meditated in my art a couple of times. I think like meditation. Um. Some of the Master's meditation tell you to get in touch with nature, like get barefoot or or take a walk or something. It doesn't have to be elaborate. UM. So yeah, I've meditated in my yard. There's a little spot in my house that I find really there's like a good energy there or something, UM, And so I kind of do it there. I haven't meditated outside or something at home. So I have some friends that do transidental meditation, and I have some friends that meditate with the app, and they believe in it so much. They're all slightly different, but they believe in it so much. I have never meditated in my life. I tried. I had some severe PTSD for a long time where I got jumped and I got held at gunpoint, had some real issues with them, a house broken into. So the doctor was like, hey, you should really try to meditate because I tried everything because you have okay, because I just stressed out about it. Yeah, I mean it was literal PTSD where I had been on dry I've tried all this medication, nothing was working. And the doctor was like you just have to meditate. Like, try to meditate. I would sit on the bottom of my bed and now would try as hard as I could. You know what happened. I'll close my eyes and go I no wonder which episode of the Office is on right now, or I just couldn't separate myself from you know what. I'm not going to try to psychoanalyze you, but go ahead hit me. But you're such an achiever. I think that you're trying to achieve something for meditation, and that's like not really what it's about. When you start, I want to win meditation? How do I How do I win a meditation? Nothing's happening. Why am I not levitating? Like, come on, Bobby, it's just to quiet yourself. I mean I don't I don't have PTSD from being robbed. Um, I can't imagine, but I'm sure. I mean, meditations helps a lot of people with that stuff, for sure. But what is the purpose? And I asked this as serious and sincere as possible, because I just couldn't do it. What is the purpose of meditation? Like to you and in general to me, I guess I can only speak for myself. Um, to me, I'm so overstimulated most of the day, UM that it's just a moment for me to quietly quiet my mind, quiet all the voices that are at me all the time, my own included, that's the loudest most of the time. UM just gives you a quiet space and you can back up and watch all of that stuff happening and not be involved. And it, man, it just really gives you a perspective view of Like, it's really helps me make clearer decisions. And you don't go and how long how long do you meditate? Eleven minutes? Because I'm really I have a lot of questions now, Okay, okay, eleven minutes. It's okay. I could probably eleven minutes. I mean, some people do. I haven't achieved that yet, I really I can. I'm like, okay, I'm good at about twenty. Sometimes it feels like an hour though, mhm. The only time I've ever been able to really separate myself was because I don't I don't drink, and I'm never like done on a legal drug. I wish I would do all of them, like I just I would do them all at once, right, I just know I would be the winner of doing drugs and drinking. I asked you that before one time we were backstage somewhere. Don't you don't drink? And you're like no, I don't know if you're just not interested, and you're like, no, I'm very interested. I'm too interested. It's not a moral thing. It's like I just know I would be the champion drinker or champion. But um, the only time that I've ever felt like you're talking about, I would go to the dentist and that would get so high on laughing gas. Oh my god. No, I'm not kidding. I'm not being pastigious one bit. And I would be able to separate. I could separate all my worldly problems, and I actually was like thinking about the meaning of life. It was the greatest moment of my life. It's pretty amazing. Those chemical releases are within yourself, Like I'm not going to try to get all spiritual and weird, but it's like you can really unlock that stuff in your own brain. It's it's, um, do you feel like I do on laughing gas Without laughing gas, I don't know how you felt. I just definitely feel better, definitely feel better. It does feel like a drug sometimes when you're when you're that stem over stimulated and then you're I mean eleven minutes right to really calm yourself down. You feel like a completely different person. Do you sleep well? Um? At times I do. I'm not a great sleeper. Um. I sleep better when I meditate. I've been ice bathing too, which has been insane. All right, here we go down this. No, God knows. I don't want to be cold. I don't like cold anywhere. Cold outside. I don't like cold inside. I don't like and if it is cold, and I will keep my air down, but I keep a blanket over me. Why in the world would you get in an ice bath? Oh? Man? The benefits are wild. It's another thing. It's an antidepressant. Um. It's like the thermal regulation for your body is where you get like all this incredible um. You get your nutrient blood. I mean, it's got anti arthritic, anti carcinogenic. It really helps your skin. Where are you getting this ice going to the gas station and just getting him out of them lately? Yeah, and they're just dumping in your bathtub. So it's not like you're gonna buy an ice machine though, I mean it's getting very expensive. So you take ice bats for how long, um, three to six minutes? Uh, you're getting the real benefits at about two minutes. And that doesn't feel miserable to you. Miserable, But when you get out, you just get like this rush that you're like, it's a mental because you get a rush because you're getting Yeah, it's like, this feels so great being a normal human. Incredible, You're going to do it. I can tell yeah. I would have. Bit I played at football high school. We would have to get an ice bad and I would be like, this sucks, and every major athlete does these. That's why I quit. You done. Have you heard of cry? I've done cry when I was doing Dancing with the Stars and my feet and my knees were hurting, and I don't know that it works thing, but I don't know that it didn't right, So like I would go and do the cry when I would get in and you get up to your neck and they go and it's cold. Then you get out and you're like, maybe it did not work, so why don't I keep on. I've heard that there's there's a difference between that and actually water submersion because your body is made up of mostly water. There's like a difference there when you have kids, because you don't have kids right now. When you have kids, are you gonna do natural birth like in a creek or something? I mean, really, is that kind of the thing? I get a medall. You know. It's funny. Five of us were born five six were born underwater. My mom had all of us at home. All of us were born and I'm asking that doing at home world of birth. Yeah, I know, I'm really asking. I'm awa, so is that a thing? So why would you do it underwater? Like? What's that benefit? Well, the pain level is cut in half, um, and the baby, it's really a lot healthier for the baby. They're like really pulls back on all kinds of things that can happen during childbirth, tearing, you want to get into this, We get into whatever you want. That nothing scares me. Um. So I got to watch five of my siblings be born under water, and um and you know this, there's all this crazy like you see on movies, you know, childbirth, and it's pretty horrific in movies. But I never experienced that with my mom. She was like, you know, in a state of she was really excited to have the baby. It was very calm. My dad was there, all of us kids were watching um and you know the babies in water, So being born into water, it's breathing through interesting. I didn't think about that. So like being born into water is not shocking to the baby at all. I feel like the baby would feel like I was drowning. But I guess you're right. If it's in water already, yeah, I should be born. So were you born in water? I wasn't born in water. No, right after me, my sister right below me on down were born underwater. How many siblings? That's crazy? And I knew that. I knew that answer to I just wanted you to say it. That's crazy. So where where do you fall in the list of kids? I'm number five, I'm like I would be in the middle of technically pearls the middle. The one right blow me oldest is how much older than you? So my oldest brother passed away a few years ago, but he he would be thirty nine, okay, and you're youngest year and the youngest one is eighteen, just turned eighteen, Yeah, thirty eight. Because we're all even half of the year, we're all even numbers. Half of the year. We're all odd. So Christian would have been thirty eight this year. And so and I know a bit of your backstory. A lot of audience may not yet. But you know, an interesting picture that you posted was a picture of the bush that you put on your Instagram I guess maybe two months ago or so. Um. And it was a picture of the bus. And you lived in that bus for how long? We lived in it for like four and a half years, a little less than four and a half um, so nine, I know I was. I would just I turned nine in the bus, so eight to twelve. So and why do you get in the bus? And where does the bus go? How long is this podcast? As long as we are, as long as we want? Um? Okay, so we got in the bus. This this goes back. My mom was a midwife when I was growing up. Um, and she delivered We lived among the Amish communities for a long time because she delivered babies for the Amish. We weren't Amish, but we lived, we we went to church. We were involved in the community so much because of my mom that, um, you know, to live among them, you have to kind of look like them. And so some of the Amish sensibilities were we lived very plainly, um, but we weren't Amish. We still had a car. UM. My dad worked for the for the estate park. We were kind of just outside of it. But they didn't really care because my mom was so valuable to these communities. UM. And she was really young. She was like, you know, it was very taboo, still the midway free thing at this time. UM. And this is before social media and any of that. So she got her her mentor had a woman die in childbirth with her and she got charged with manslaughter, which women die in the hospital all the time with childbirth. UM. And so my mom got got scared that it was going to come down on her too, and her and my dad just kind of packed up, sold everything packed up, and they went on the road and my mom taught seminars on like, um, natural births and child rearing and living off the land and on the road. You mean, they bought a bus and everybody hopped in. And where were you living when that happened. We were living in Virginia at the time, and so she's like, all right, we're going and how does she tell you eight nine years old? All right? Time to get the bus. We're heading now, Yeah, we're going to travel. And all of us were stoked, you know, we we um, we were very adventurous kids. My you know, my parents let us be adventurous, and we were really excited. It was only supposed to go for about a year or two and then um, and then it just it kept going. It kind of went. Uh, it didn't. It started off really good. It ended kind of bad, you know what I mean, what do you do if school? Though, Like we did homeschooling and then like the last two years, we didn't do school very much. Honestly, what do you do all day as a kid traveling around with the family on a bus. So we lived in national parks and we explored and we played outside. Um, we did schooling like a few hours in the day, and then we like just we were just out. We just played in the woods. It's true. So you're sleeping in beds that are I'm assuming just kind of build all beside each other. Yeah, my dad designed the inside. So it was we had a little kitchen and a little bathroom and then you know, bunk beds and uh, a little a little front living area where two futons came down. There's plenty of beds. But it's crazy even for me in the in the bus that I'm in now, and how sophisticated that is the tour bus, not a house bus. You're not living in a bus again, right, Um, It's it's crazy to think that that that we did that for four years and such primitive state. You know, it's crazy. In the bathroom situation on the bus, we had a bathroom, yeah, and we had a little septic tank, but I mean we we weren't in it a lot really unless we were moving, so we would we would go outside or like in in the uh the state park stuff. Could you build fires and like you learned all that were encouraged to build fires, all the survival tips. We slept outside, oh you did most of the time, almost every night. Yeah, And being in a national park, did the like the park ranger they come up and you like have a relationships park ranger and be like what a park ranger? John? Yeah, I mean so interesting some of them, some of them. There were a couple of times. And so I'm really young here, Granite, like I'm eight, So I'm I remember certain bits and pieces of this, like some of them. We were in for a month. Some of them we were there for two weeks. So like if you have a long stay in a in a state park, you kind of like go to the corners, right. Um, there's not like a lot of human interaction there. Uh. We did meet a couple other families that we're living in buses, to believe it or not, and so we were kind of like hang out with them for a little bit. So by the way, you have music, I'm gonna play little bit of music and I'm gonna come back to this. Let's do buy buy my own drinks songs. Saw five songs for you guys, have congratulations on that. Let's see here when because we were rich, songs really good. I have to have all of them. I'm just gonna pick a few of them right now. I like we were rich a lot. Here's this one. I thought we were rich. We didn't have it all the wheel did. And then here is the current single, head over Heels stand. Let's great song, just saying right now in a show that you do with this in the set list, there's a song called Trouble with This Town that's been kind of a little bit of a little sleeper people love it. It's I it's a part in the show where I'm really kind of like jacked, you know, and ready to like perform that one. And it's just really fun. I feel like a rock star. Last night, you did a guitar pool with a bunch of folks. My god, we did a guitar pool Luke, Brian, Luke Combs, um Riley Green and Rodney Atkins. It was crazy. It was it was nuts. People flip out over these guys. It was crazy. It's a lot of fun. Um it was a lot of fun. If as the lead vocalist you get a cold, do they can they hop in a bit and take some of that? Could they if you blew your voice out? Could one of them sing your parts for a show if they had to? Or would you just go? We gott to cancel the show. We've canceled before. It's been really rare. We've been blessed. Um I it's so funny. Every time we go to Vegas. I get sick literally every time. Um I just pushed through it or uh, you know, we'll crank the harmonies up or something. But yeah, they don't sing my parts. That's what we do. Cranoni crank them up. You know, there are a little there are little places where um, you know, I'll either just change the notes around too if I have to. You guys, did a girl crush at CMAS last week? Is really cool? Yeah, part of that. Whenever you are on toard Carrie, what you guys just wrapped up? Does she get you guys a cool into tour gift or what? Yeah, she gave us this great gift. She um, she had like she gave us plaques that were kind of like the size of this and they have pictures of us with her from like the first time we ever met her all the way to the end of the tour. And it was really beautiful. I prefer gifts like That's something I'll have my entire life. Uh, there was a lot of thought that went into it. I loved it. I thought it was really great. Let's go back to the bus in the early life, very intrigued. When does music start? So my my my mom started, My parents started making tied eye. This is great. It sounds crazy even coming out my mom. Um, the seminars stopped. There's the inflow of that. Stop. This is before the internet and stuff, you know. So once my mom kind of moved out of that area where she was famous. It kind of started going away. Um, and so they were getting creative. My dad was kind of working on the road. He was doing like handyman stuff and um, and my mom like fell in love with Tight Eyes. So she started ordering Tight Eyes, and um, we found festivals and so my mom and my parents would be selling Tight Eye and I would sit out in the festival of my guitar and I have a little bucket and I would play songs like on the street corner for tips. Like early, I was eight and a half. We had one guitar, and um, that's where it started. I mean, how did you learn to play guitar? Where was Where was that the first here's a few chords? Where does that come from? There was a girl who was my age, uh, in this kind of like hippie commune that we happened upon, who taught me like three four chords on the guitar, and it just I just started playing. It's kind of funny people ask me how I learned. I just kind of taught myself. But I don't ever remember guitar being hard. I just like I got the chords and I was like, oh, it just really clicked easy. It clicked really quick. Piano was a little harder, but the guitar just felt so natural. Even when it was little, it was like wrapped around it, you know, it was huge. At what stage though, of you being a kid, I'm playing music, do you realize one, I love this, but too, I'm actually pretty good and not in kind of an arrogant way, but oh I could probably pursue this and this could be alive for me. Yeah, I'm I was. I was about nine when I was making tips. I was like, oh my god, like, you can do this and make money, you know. So I loved it. Um, And there were there were times where you know, we were completely broken, couldn't put gas in the bus, and I would go out and play my guitar and we'd get, you know, thirty bucks and we'd be able to move on. Um, And that gave me a lot of confidence as a kid. I was like, Wow, I can you know I can help my family. Looking back, I'm like, it's a little gnarly, but um, at the time, I was like, I knew that I'd do this forever. I've done lots of jobs in between, but I've always done music. What are you? What's in the what's in the jar over here? Is that charcoal vinegar that you milked from an eagle? This is a herbal and taste. You know, when someone goes tasted, you're not gonna tell me anything about what it is. It's a herbal infusion. It's got tons of chlorophyll in net. No, no, you know ho piste I would be as I tasted. Okay, so wait what it's a little bit bitter, but also kind of is it water based? Yes, it's like a I guess you describe it as a come on, it looks like molasses, so dark. This is a good bad Yeah, it's actually no, you know what, it's actually pretty good. So what is this and why are you drinking? So? This is um? This is nettle leaf and oat straw and comfree and it's just a herbal infusion mix that I drank when I when I'm feeling like my body is depleted, worn out. Um. I mean my mom's making these for her clients. When when I was little, I was drinking this in a sippy cup. You know, I'm talking like suit like this is way before this. You know, the whole foods was barely a thing then. Um, but yeah, I've been drinking that stuff for a long time. She still drinks some, your mom does. Yeah, you still close to your mom? Yeah? Does she have a cell phone? Yes? Look at me. Fortunately, my mom has a cell phone. I'm asking these questions with genuine curiosity because I don't know she has a cellphone and she has Instagram and Facebook, and it's like, oh, mom, what does she think about what you're doing and where you've gone. It's a good question, you know. It's funny people ask me about ask my family, my my siblings that, and they're not really surprised. And I don't mean to sound any any way by saying that, But it's not like I didn't win American Idol or something like after working at Target. I've been doing this literally since I was little. Um, so I think I'm surprised that I've gotten here a lot of times. But also it's like, you know, I've worked really hard. It's like people ask me that, you know, do pinch yourself, And I'm like, no, I know exactly what it took to get this, And I don't wake up and go how did I get here? Like I freaking know and it was a lot of hard work and sacrifice and it still is. And I know I love it that you say that, because you know, people be like, can you believe that you're on TV? I'm like freaking grinding it out, flying back and forth, killing myself. Yeah, I do believe it. It's almost like there's some way that we're supposed to be ashamed to say that. And I think it's because, um, maybe other people I don't want to see that that grit part that we've had to do. It's not as glamorous, but you know, they want to think it's kind of like a lottery. I it's just not. It's just not true. Like you know, this takes lifetime of dedication and giving up, giving up a lot and also gaining a lot. But yeah, I don't I don't pinch myself. So you're in the family bus until what age? Until I was ten eleven eleven? Then where do you go? So we came back to Tennessee. Actually after we got out of the bus, we were stranded in Arizona for like six months, and that was really tough. Why stranded? Run out of money? Are you trapped somewhere? Dad had some really like heavy depression issues, and um, he he started to kind of like crack in the bus, like towards the end. Um, it's like four, he like turned forty in the bus. I think that that kind of pressure it just really got to him, and he, uh, he started to kind of lose his mind a little bit, honestly. UM. And he would sleep all day and couldn't work. Um. And depression is debilitating. It's a real thing. People die from that too. UM. So we were stranded there. My mom was like doing everything she could to work. I'm playing the guitar. My brother was roofing with um a crew of Hispanic guys, my sister, you know, we were just kind of like trying to survive that. We ended up getting enough money to be able to make it across the state where we had some friends in Tennessee, and we landed in this little, like dilapidated farmhouse. But we'd always lived in like broken down homes, Like I don't ever remember having more than one bathroom in our house. Um, but it just felt good to like be grounded again. And like, you know, we had a mailbox and it was like that that whole thing. I felt like we my parents marriage might work out. They really started to fall apart towards the end of the bus um and uh, yeah, So we landed in Tennessee and and lived here for a few years. And my brother, my brother was in prison while we were in the bus, and he came back to that house and lived with us for a little while. So there's a lot of good memories there, even though, uh even though to look at it or to be there even then it was like, you know, pretty gnarly, I think, but I have a lot of fun memories from the house. As a kid, if you're thirteen or fourteen, you know, the pressure is what do you want to be when you grow up? What do you want to be when you grow up? Where do you what was at thirteen or fourteen when some momenta, hey, hey, what do you want to be? Naomi? Like, what was your answer to that? I want to be a country singer. So and it felt it's it's funny you mentioned those ages, because that's the age where I started to doubt this could ever happen because I just didn't know. I thought that, you know, you had to have voice lessons, or you had to have rich parents or connected some way. I just wasn't at all. Um. I did get some music lessons from some friends of our family who who recognized that I had talent and a hunger and they want me to pursue that, and so they paid for me to have lessons for like two months, and that really just gave me more confidence. Um, But I did. I wanted to be a singer. I didn't know even know what that meant, but I wanted to be an artist and a singer or an oceanographer. There always one weird thing you haven't want to be as a kid. It's weird. Yeah, you're Your story and my story definitely have some parallels in in the thinking process because I grew up, you know, a poor kid in Arkansas, and nobody around me did anything near what I wanted to do. I didn't heard remnants of your story. Well, I just never know from other people, and they're, uh, they're probably wrong. I made the whole thing. Probably. Yeah. I grew up a trust fine kid in Pennsylvania, but I lived, you know, in a town of seven hundred people in Arkansas, and you know, and it was a food stamp kid. But nobody around me was ever doing what I wanted to do. I always wanted to be a comedian and a radio host and and I want I wanted to do all these things, but there was no ready to tell me that I could do it. Nobody was there to say I couldn't, but there was and I didn't know how to do it, you know, as you're like, you want to be a country singer, and how do you know, one thing? How do you become a country I had no connections either. I want to beg to clean a radio station, you know, and and so that's what I did and that and you know, that's what's interesting about your story is like, how in the world, when you have no connection to the outside do you get outside to become a country singer? So I started gigging. I was about fifteen. And what does gigging mean? Where you are? Where are you in Tennessee at this point? So we moved to Florida. So you're in Florida, right. So my parents my brother passed away in a car accident, um, and my parents marriage just didn't survive that. UM. And so my mom packed all of us up and we moved to Florida and she raised nine kids down there, and we had a greenhouse that we all ran UM, and we were close to this little island called cedar Key probably like I stay close, but about like twenty miles UM. And I got a job playing my guitar. There was some other there was another kid there that played his guitar UM at some of the restaurants, and I was like, okay, I think I could do that. And I had a guitar. I had no equipment, UM, and I had some friends there that were like kind of like meddling musicians I call um that let me borrow some equipment. And I just started playing at some of the local restaurants. And that's where I I started gigging. Would you see big eyeballs when you would sing, meaning you start singing, they goat Yeah, yeah I did. I think, uh I got that for a long time, people didn't expect that. I guess for me to have as much, I really sang with a lot of passion, I think for my age. So you're fifteen or sixteen, you're playing shows, do you kind of feel like, all right, I'm good enough to do this. I just somehow I got to find a path. Yeah, um, yeah, I thought about going to school. There was a lot of that too. You know, I just didn't know what the next step was. I didn't really believe that I could go to Nashville. It seems so like something anything, don't do anything, doesn't feel like like real life. Just felt like how do I do that? Maybe I'm not meant to do that. Um. So I had a little bit of a detour where, uh, I got into a car accident. I was completely broke. Uh And I got a job offer to be a deckhand on a salmon boat in Alaska, and so I went up there for how does it, by the way, are you on Craigslist? Like, how does an offer come through? Like a random offer to be a deckhand in the state nowhere near you? Like if you offer at the local Chilis, I get it. There's a Rits nearby, there's someone looking for people to come. Like I was a waiter for a long time, and you're like, oh you need somebody, I'll go. But it's do you get a random all your in Alaska? Where does that job offer come from? So I'll break it down. We when I saw in Florida, right, So there's a lot of people that fish. Um My, my stepdad, my mom, remarried. Sorry, it's a little jumble, Okay, So my mom got remarried. Um, and he went to Alaska every year and had been doing it for about five years. So he went for the season and he called in the middle of the night and said that that their deck hand had fallen into efficient fishhold and broke his ankle and couldn't work anymore, and they needed somebody really fast. And what's the deck hand do? By the way, I mean, I've been fishing. Oh my god. You clean the nets, you you're fishing, you're driving the boat, you're cooking, you literally do everything. And they wanted you no offense. You're like five ft three. How tall are you? Yeah, and so you're like five three and they want you, Well, they didn't want me. I just I was the first one that volunteered. And and uh, and I think Rick knew that I had some grit and I was tough enough to like withstand that I didn't know I was I had no idea what I was getting into. This was like the gnarliest, hardest thing I've ever done in my life. Um, but I flew up there. I'm glad that I didn't know what it was because I wouldn't have gone, you know, I don't think I would have um. So I did that first summer, and then when I came back, I felt really clear about like, Okay, if I can do that, I can move to Nashville, Like I can I can move to Nashville, I can play music, Like what if it doesn't work, I'll never be as poor as I was before this, and like, like, what happens if I if I do? Like who knows? Isn't it crazy too? There's such freedom and I'm looking back now being so poor as a kid there. I was always like, you know what, the worst thing that can happen is where I am now, and you know, ain't so bad and I'm actually pretty good at being poor. I was always like, like, what is what is there to lose? Because again, if all this goes away, I had figured out how to survive on very little, and so there was it was a very dangerous person someone who's to lose. I can go back to nothing. Yeah. I was happy there and I and I felt that way a lot. It was what's the worst thing that can happen? I go back to where I've already been, and yes, and that was my normal. So you're you're in that spot again. I hear you say that, and that resonates with me because I felt a bit of the same way through my life, and you're you're there, and when do you finally go? All right, Nashville we go? And then what car do you go in? Oh? My god? Okay, so let's see what car did I have? I I bought a Blazer, a blazer that had no a C, so I only I only made like five grand in Alaska. Um, which seemed like so much at the time. Um. I bought a blazer for like twelve hundred bucks. And I my sister lived in Nashville with her boyfriend at the time, and I went and lived in her basement. I drove it up on I don't know. I think I did this one like two hundred and fifty bucks literally like nothing. Um, and I just I got straight to Nashville and I just walked down um Broadway and I just handed out these little demos that I had made in Florida. And I got a job at tutsis like two days later. And so you go and you're just singing at tutsis how many like like a four hour spot? Yeah? During the four hour thing. Yeah, yeah, I did that, but you know that one, that one had its own challenges. But I did learn how to like work with a band and work bigger crowds, and like you know, I learned a lot down there. And then I started working at the airport, which was like a totally different thing, but a lot more money, a lot a lot more chill. I'm interested in both of these. So let's start with a Tutsis. You're working at Tutsis. Do you see people come into Tutsis that you go, man, if they like and you would know who they were, and you go, man, and I just would like what I'm doing. They could actually give me a shot. Did that ever happen when you see something in the crowd, like an artist or a published at Tutsis? It's funny. I didn't. I didn't. I did see in a carter come in one time. She was so cool and she came up and sang with a girl who was singing Strawberry Wine when she happened like walk in, she's so cool. I never saw I never saw artists like that as like like, oh my gosh, if they could just I kind of knew that's not how it worked. UM. And I had met a songwriter in Florida who was in Nashville. His name is Rob Hatch and he's had some really good success here. Um and his wife worked at Sea Sack and they really really mentored me. Um. While I was cleaning houses and working at tutsies, I was I was writing, and like they really they really helped me. UM. But I never saw I I did. I saw, like Joe Nichols, you'd be surprised not a lot of people going to tutsis, but the people that I did, I just knew that's not how it was gonna work. It wasn't gonna happen like that for me. What was your song? Where did? What was the song that was like once or twice a night you would sing it, and you knew that's where you get a twenty or so, Like you knew then when you sang this one, people were gonna throw some real money wagon wheel really yeah. Actually I would have people request it and then tell them that it was a fifty dollar song, and they would they would pay for it every time they loved it. Let me back up just one second. Do you want to get to the airport when you're on a salmon boat. Do you have a boyfriend. I didn't have a boyfriend. Now when you're doing and moving around the country, did you have a boyfriend. I didn't date a lot. Um, I didn't date a lot I think I like a salmon like that wasn't like my focus salmon catchers. It's funny. They were like, here's the thing. When you're in Alaska on that boat, there's not like if you're having interaction. It's like you don't sleep there. It's you're going twenty two hours. You're going absolutely to the legal limit of not sleeping. Um. And then a lot of the other people fishing up there are Russian and there's some other Alaskans. But you just really you're not interacting like you're ust fishing. And I never I never even got onto land. I was literally out for five weeks on the water. Were you ripped muscular, like in great shape? It was in good shape. What would you eat? Just fish straight out of the net. We had some stuff, you know, stock I had, you know, we ate rice um, not a lot of greens, mostly fish, mostly raw fish. I mean it was the best fish, the most nutrients you can get. That's crazy. It was pretty crazy. Okay, So tutsis airport, So where and how do you get the job at the airport? As someone see you? So? Yeah. So a guy that I was playing with uh at Tutsis on music on a on Broadway, he kind of told me when we were counting on our tips one night that he was going to start playing at the airport. I've never even heard tutsis at the airport. Yeah, okay, So there's small tutsis the airport and you walk by and it's always somebody singing a bad version of Walk the Line as you're trying to get to gate. It's some guys singing walk the Line every time. So it's there, so you and he says he weren't gonna work there. Yeah, so he said he was going to start there, and uh. I was like why you know because I had been to the airport and uh he was like, I said, I heard the money is way better and like I can make my own hours whatever. I was like, okay, well, let me know how it goes. Well. About a month later he came back and I was like, how's it going out there? He was still doing gigs on Broadway. There's like a little club of musicians that do it. Um, and he said, it's going great. I'm making bank. I like love it. I'm not having to perform is hard, and I was like, okay, So I really started to think about that. I was dying to get off of Broadway. It was like just sucking my soul dry. I didn't feel like I was going anywhere. Um, it wasn't meeting anyone, and uh so I requested if I could just try it and it started working, and I like, it was so different and so much better. I was better, so much better. Why that's weird because the people that are coming to the airport, a lot of them don't get out, don't get to get out to Nashville. So it's like the first little piece of Nashville they see and they're enamored um and they buy your merch and they like love that piece of Nashville. It's like so unique, and uh they think they might be, you know, tipping a future superstar. Um. So I don't know. I just really had I had a much better experience there, and I only did that about six months. So you're there six months, you're paying the bills, you're working to get having to go to security every day. Do you have a different badge? Give you a badge. They gave me a little badge, but I mostly had an escort. Yeah, so somebody walk you through. You get walked through the at the airport and then when does it go? Okay, I think this is over? Like what was it? What was that step? I started cleaning houses? Um, and I just wanted to I just wanted to get out of the Tutsi circuit. It was just killing me. I wasn't able to write. Um, So I started cleaning houses more and that allowed me even more time on my own. Um. Then I got a Tyler Farr cut with before I had a publishing deal, and it became a single. So I got a little bit of a break veteran boots Okay yeah yeah, Um it didn't get super high on the chart, but it was a big break for me at the time. Um, so you have no publishing deal and you get a single with a major artist. Wow, how did that right? Did you get that right? And what was that whole situation? So the songwriter was telling you about him and his wife were setting me up on co writes and and trying to get me a publishing deal. Um, and that's how that happened. I just was in a writing room with Justin Moore, Justin Moore, um, Justin Wilson and Dave Pittinger. And so not only does he go, hey, we're gonna put this on hold, We're gonna cut it, and then it's a freaking single. Yeah, so to publish a company start going, oh, she has no publishing deal. We should we should get on this. Oh yeah wow, good for you. Yeah yeah, thanks. That was that was a huge stroke of luck. But I do and I think you believe this too, Like luck is preparation meets opportunity only um. And I was busting my ass still am but like it felt it was like a really it was like a break. Okay, you're doing the right thing. It was kind of like a little omen um. And then and then, uh, I was I was still trying to be an artist at the time. I didn't just want to be a songwriter. I really wanted to be an artist, but I was doing the solo thing. And um, I did a showcase and Benny Brown came to that he used to own our label, and uh, he called me a couple of weeks later and he said, Hey, I know this girl. Um, she has a hit with Eric Pasley right now. She's a great writer. I want to I want to see if f you'l right with her. He loved my voice, he thought I was a star, and he didn't like my songs at all, and uh, I was like sure, all right with her? And um, he introduced me to Jennifer Wayne. So you guys get together at this point that you have a publish I did have a p well, I waited. It really kind of happened quickly. So I got the Tyler Farr single, and then um, my record deal like came very shortly after, like we were offered a record deal. Kind I was still writing. I was writing with jen at this time. Has happened like within like two months of me getting the single. Let me back up one second. Because I used to clean houses to my grandma that well, yeah, and so whenever I always tip the cleaners good. Did that affect Does that affect you when you're staying in hotels or whenever you're staying places like I always stripped the sheets for them. Um, I leave tips whenever I have cash and you have to leave it on the pillow because if you leave it somewhere else, sometimes they don't know if you left it for them, that someone else is going to find it. What's the worst case scenario? Though, someone else does find it, like somebody. You know, it's funny. I heard a comedian say this one time, um where everyone's like, I'm not going to give that homeless person money. They're just gonna spend it on booze and drugs, and he's like, that's what I'm gonna spend And then on at the end of the day, Look at this time, homeless guy's going to spend it on, Like what do you want him to do? Buy a CD rack for his box? You know, it's funny, God forbid someone else finds it, like someone needs it. So yeah, I wonder if that's affected your because I waited tables for a long time, which everybody should have to be a server at some point, my non president, I think you know how a lot of countries make you serve. I want to make everybody be a waiter so they can understand. Yes, the plight of having to to deal with people, oh, the humility that comes with that, but it also is such a great tool for for life. And then you know, I feel like I tipped because I wanted to be tipped, because I actually know what that's like. Do you tip someone that gave you bad service? Yeah? Absolutely, I give him even more. Yeah. Yeah, because well, because I was a waiter and there would be times where I sucked but it was not my fault. And I also am in the place now where I finally have a good living, like I'm fine, and and so no reason not to tell you, Yeah, there's no reason to tip somebody because the times that people would come in that were in my situation, they would tip me. I could make an insurance payment much quicker because of that, Like it was life altering because I was living week to week and when someone would come in and give me twenty dollars at the tip, it would change the whole week for me. So I feel now like I wish that I'm just doing what I wish someone would did. I'm no bleeding heart great guy. I just wish that people had done that for me, and some did. So now I'm kind of playing it myself back in time. I feel like I'm just tipping me back in time. Yeah, I feel that I had I had some people, really really helped me out. I mean, I've had so many people that have helped me. Um, and it matters, and little things like that, like even the person paying for your lessons a huge, huge, like in two ways credits in the album. Really, yeah, I wouldn't. I don't think that I would be here with all people like that, and and and and two. There's two things. One, you got some lessons, but I think the bigger picture was you saw that someone cared enough to actually invest in you, which makes you want to invest in other people to the same way. And so that's so cool you did that. Yeah, yeah, I mean it didn't really Like I always knew that. I was like, if I get a record deal, if I get this stuff, like, I'm going to credit these people. You know. They were kind of the only family that we ever had really to my parents weren't close with their families, and they were the only type of aunt and uncle I knew. Um, it's huge, very very big. Okay, back on, we're gonna Sure, we're bouncing, but we're good. We're following you. No, no, I'm bouncing too. I'm bouncing to Okay, so you and gin R Jennifer Wayne, excuse me, decide. And I've known Jennifer for a while, um, you because and she also played tennis with one of our best friends. Yeah, a friend who's a pressure sennis player, and he was but her last name wasn't Wayne. And I was like, hey, dude, do you know jenn Wayne. It's like yeah, but her name when she played tennis. Yeah, I guess what was going by. And so you guys are writing and you're gonna become a duo? No, um No, we were just writing songs, um. And we were writing with another girl as another girl, you know, Caroline Hobby. Caroline wrote a lot of the songs that we have, um. And when we went in and wrote, when we went in and played those songs for the label, um, Benny Brown offered us to deal as as a group right then, which I knew he had that cooking all all along. Here. I think I'm writing for me, you know, and he's like, now I'm going to get this group together. I had to had to happen naturally. Um. And I'd never even considered being in a band, and I don't know why. I just never crossed my mind. But I I knew right that I was being offered an opportunity like the one. UM, and I think too. I'm like, you know you like you're like Braddy kid. You know you're gonna ask for a bike like I want to. I want a pink bike. I want a pink bike. And then you know, God gives you a black bike. It's a bike, like take the bike, you know. So that's how I looked at it. And I was like, all right, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this band thing. And I had a lot of people like what you know, you're gonna do this and you're the you're the you should, You're you should just keep on doing what you're doing, Just keep on. I was like, I don't think that's the right thing. So we we got offered a record deal as a group with Caroline and UM and we got into it down the road and and she was like, you know what, this is just not really my path. I don't think this is for me, UM and uh we it was pretty it was happened really fast, like Caroline kind of really knew right away. She was like I'm not I'm not going to be doing this, like this is not not my path UM. And so Jennifer knew this girl, Hannah Mulholland, who was an incredible songwriter, and she brought her in to write with us, and we asked Hannah to join the group once we had written a few songs. She was incredible, sing low harmony. She was great. So that's how this band formed that way. So if you're the hippie one, are the hippie one, the hippie one? Okay, you don't think the hipone? Don't you think the hip one? I would say, so, yeah, what would you say? That's not a bad to answer? Good thing. I don't think it's bad. You have a bandana on your arm, have a crystal on your neck, on your shirt, like, alright, fine, you're the hippie one. We'll be the hipster one. I would say. I'm like a little earthy. I guess okay, okay, I'm drinking hers over here. If you're the earthy one, what is Hannah? What's the's got like this? Like seventies? Like would she be more hippie than you? Though? Yeah, I mean I guess, Like there's different kinds of hippies. I only know the kind to do a piece sign and to definitely has some hippie vibes. She's like a vegan and she's she's kind of like earthy too. She's from Malibu. She's like so she is. She's like surfer hippie. She's not like very coordinated. I don't think she could surf, but yeah, she your earth all the all the Dwarf seven Dwarves had all you like, you're like earthy June. She's beach hippy June. What is Jen Wayne? Jen is Mama June. She's like the mama Hen. She worries. Um. She is a worrior worried. She'll text me and be like, hey heard this, Okay, is this happen? It's so sweet, you know. She she really is like one of the most empathetic people I know. UM, And she's very sensitive to like energies and feelings and stuff and um. She's also very kind of ethereal. She's very like light. She's kind of like a little angel, you know. When you see her, she's like tall and blond and like looks like this. It's funny, she tells. She tells everyone that she's Peruvian. Her grandmother is like full blooded proving and Jen looks like a Nordic, like you know, yeah. So, um, yeah, I guess that's how I would describe Jen. I think yeah, I think that's accurate. And you guys are still getting along. Yeah. Do you have boundaries? Yeah, that's because the boundaries are actually really good for relationships more so than a pillar to divide totally. Yeah, I mean we do counseling. We have before so important. It's such a great part of growing totally is to have someone that's keep talking. Because I'm such a big timer therapy all the time. I do therapy as much as I can. Um, here's the thing, you're you're we're not just a band. We're married. You know, we're legally bound to each other. We share money, we make all of our decisions together. You know, we have we have employees. Uh. That racks your relationship, really can rattle you. There's like little things, there's all these personalities. Were very sensitive people were you know, emotional and sensitive and creative, and we all have these ideas and we're all very different. Um, and we're all very very like. So you know, a small decision or a big one can like rattle you. You have to really really know each other, be extremely considerate, um, communicative, compromising, and you don't. You're not born with those skills, you know, you have to learn them. Uh, And we treat it like it's a marriage. I know a few other people who are actually in marital counseling in their band. It's like for a marriage. I know bands too that go because again, if you want to perform at a high level, you your mental capacity has got to be in that spot. To do that, you got to be in a healthy place. So it's a business decision something Otherwise you're making emotional decisions which will wreck your life. My my therapist, she lives near here, but she does relationships only she does cup I gone by myself and the first person she ever had gone by by themselves. And I sit in a chair and so it's like me and you if we were in together and she's over here, but there's no one in that other chair and there, but she's never were kind of like an experiment with each other. Do you talk to someone else? You talk to her, but you interesting because that's just her normal room. And she doesn't ever do solos. Never know, she's just I'm the only guy. I'm the only like you're like two people. That's much. Maybe that's what it is to this on and she thought it wasn't you're like two screwed up people. I'll take you. I was like, hey, it's a lot, and so she said, okay, let's try in the first couple of weeks. And I've been with her now for months, but the first couple of weeks that I went in, we were like, let's see if we both want to do this. I'm just such a big believer and I need someone from from an outside that doesn't have an investment in my personal life. Oh God, to lead me places. I don't need to tell me. You don't need you to take me there all the time. Just sometimes repoint me in a direct and let's see where I go. I am sure that you get this all the time, like people are if you read this book, or are you reading this book? But there's this book and it's called The Laws of Human Nature by Robert Green. It's incredible. It like talks about your emotional self and how people are not in touch with that thing. This is what my therapist is teaching me. Um, you make emotional decisions when you think you're being rational. Um, it's so crazy. People are very complicated and I think The first mistake that you can make with someone is thinking that they're not complicated UM and especially yourself, like when you're like, oh, I'm kind of like a simple guy. I've only got it. You know these certain things, are in particular about these things, but not this. It's like you're so wrong. People just don't even know their selves. So UM therapy has helped me a lot in that way to like get to know my emotional self because you in this job were emotionally stimulated and triggered all the time, and then you're set with like the big decision to make that involves a lot of people, and if you're not careful, like you'll just really really slip. And maybe you will. I know I have, but it's a it's something we have to be on our toes about because people are all around you and you're there's no one way to do this and uh so you just have to really be in touch with yourself and think mine just has me challenging negative thoughts. That's I leave going I need something I can come back with. I needed like an execution point every time, I like, what do give me something to work on? I left yesterday negative thoughts, Well, just chat because my question to her was and she was like, oh, no one's ever asked me that. I was like, hey, can you grow out of trauma? Like can you you know what, let's say something having me a twelve it was pretty awful. I'm thirty nine, Like I should be able to shake that by now. And she's like, you know, it's not that you grow out of it. So the answer is no, but you can have so much positive things kind of outweigh what do you sort of think differently about it? Because so much good has happened. Where if you have trauma that happens to you and it's a big part, it's a major part of your life and your decisions, it is, you know, if it's seventy part in your thinking process, that's that's a that's a wayer because but if so much good stuff is happening to you, the trauma still there, but you're starting to see, oh, great things can happen too. Does that mean that when you start to see other things that are good, you maybe start to understand that thing that gave you trauma a bit, which is super powerful, right, Yes, you know, and even when you say see things we were talking yesterday, not to go full therapy on it. Who cares, but let's right, it was because she's a like a love not just a love doctor. She's a like a doctor. That's what she works like, that's her thing, relationships, right, And she's like, you know, here's why you're not good at relationships. You've never seen a successful one. Like I never knew my dad. My dad left when I was, you know, five or six years old. My mom remarried into the worst. My mom died my grandmother and grandfather when she was forty six. She yes, she died from drugs, alcohol, older ish, but she was always an addict, So I never knew were not being an addict. Wow, do you have siblings? I have a sister and then like a half brother through a dad. I don't know. I have an Arkansas family where they kind of sprakled all over in different ways. Have like an eighth cousin. Ye don't try me. I can't have like a sister wife somewhere. It's a whole thing. And uncle daddy all of that, and but it was I've never seen a really successful relationship. So that's why they seem so foreign to me, because I'm like I watched these shows and I'm like, that's not true. She's like, you just haven't seen one. Like in a lot of my friends have also been like this isn't working. So they've all moved in with me at some point. And so that's that was the big, the big thing yesterday. And does not change your marriage, your your outlook on marriage, No, but it makes out kind of why you're seeing someone is to like that perspective, perspective vulnerabile. When you're a survival list your whole life. You've only built walls around you so long that you still live with those walls even though you don't need them anymore. So a lot of that too. But it's it's great you guys are going to therapy as a band. That's so exciting. Oh my gosh. I mean it's I know a lot of bands that do this. This isn't like something out of nowhere. We were advised that early on to do it. And it's like it's even with you know, if you're getting married, it's like pre marital counseling, like let's make this bridge strong before there's a break in it. You know, that's kind of it's not it's not because something happened or like something will you know, we should all be we should all be as prepared as we can be. Um, And we care about it. We care about this, and we care about each other enough to have the tools to not do damage while we're trying to build this thing. Um. And then I see a therapist on my own, which I love it. It really really helps me stay grounded. And you know, we're we're in a tumultuous little business here. It's like very very strange and different every day. And got your girl, your therapist minds a woman? Two? Do you ever do I was only raised by women, mom, grandma. I was adopting my grandmother for a while, So I only feel comfortable with older women telling you what to do. Yeah, that's gonna move. Um do you ever do the Were they just sitting? They were quiet at you? And you know, because that's a that's a technique, right, And I also do it in this But so since I talk to people and get things out of them with that technique, when she does it to me, she'll just sit there because silent. Yeah yeah, I'll just sit and stare out there too. I'll wait her out well, staring games. You know. The funny thing is that people love to talk about themselves. It's like, not if you just sit there and listen, like they'll tell you. They'll tell you all kinds of stuff. Well, I se her out, She'll look at me and I know the technique and it's not what therapy is. I'm trying to win. They yeah, yeah, I'm trying to win therapy. Let me roll there some quick quick answers here. Do you wear a go pro when you downhill bike? Um? I have before. I just bought one and I haven't used to yet. Insane. I will see your Instagram stories on that bike and I'm like, are you out of your mind? But that's the thing, how would you ride down? Love it? I love it? And have you ever done anything like that? Do you bike or anything? Do do anything? Like? What? God stop? You're super athletic, but didn't mean I wouldn't done this. You should go. I should go. I can insure things on me. I come on, I feel so alive. Like do they have bunny slopes? If you would take me to a bunny slope, I would do a bunny slope and then we would just I'm sorry, you just gotta get on the bike and go because you don't try to hero it, Like if you see a huge jump, just don't do it. But um, yeah, it's been really fun. I've been to Whistler in Canada and Aspen Jackson Hole. Um there's a little bike park around here, but like that's what I would do. Yeah, you can go to the little bike park and then we can do that. Put you on a bike and smack your as little bike, little hills, little helmet, your vintage stores or just really cool new stuff that looks old. What's what's what are we have? Um? Yeah, I use a mix of everything. Like I just kind of like I just wear what I what I like. How about your Instagram post? You take a lot of the picture over and over again to find one, or you just like boom, there it is, that's the one. What do you mean? Like, well, you any picture at all? You know? Do you do? You like take a hundred and I'll pick one. Yeah, okay, yeah, alright, just see not earth that you are? How do you know how real you are right now? How much do you filter? No? The realness is if you answer the question real not and how you actually do it? How do you feel about Instagram removing the likes. I love it. I think it's so smart. I think that, Um, when I first started Instagram, it was all about the photos, um, which I love that. That's kind of why I got. I don't have a Facebook page, and I haven't been on Facebook and years. But we're friends on Facebook. And I just sent you money last week. How do you send money on on Facebook? You? I thought you needed it, and you're like, please send me some money? Said correct, Then, mommy, I'm you're I'm an influencer. Now apparently let me influence you. Okay, I'm already influence. I'm gonna med. Okay, I'm gonna drink beat jam or whatever you have over this. This is a nourishing herbal infus. I love that the likes are gone. I think that it's like this there there have been extensive studies shown that it's harmful to us, um, and I think that it's going to be like social media will be like our parents was smoking, you know, when they used to smoke in the car with the kids, Like no one really knew the damage that was doing until like we know, and we're like, oh my god, it was gnarly that they would ask us smoking or not, like in a restaurant. You know, I think that's what our kids are going to say about social media. I say the same thing about sugar. That's saying to man, what a gnarly thing. That's gonna be years We're going to go what were we doing? Yeah? That's it. Well listen, let me say this. You should. Uh. I'm a big fan Runaway June, a big fan of your great singer. Um. Everyone should check out Blue Roses and this thing last forever. You probably have four records out. People be listening to this five six years from now. I hope, so um check out Blue Roses the record. I'll we were rich. Hey play some of the fastest you cover because this one. We played this last night. I loved Yokum and when I heard this, I was like, oh boys, am I And it's so it's real good. Yeah, it's real good. It's really good. I know he had a long night last night. We've done an hour that we hit one hour here. Some of this is usable. It all goes up immediately. This is it's all usable. There's no editing, no editing, no filters, no filters. So um follow Naomi at Naomi underscore cook on Instagram. That's right, right, you know somebody had Naomi Cook without the underscore. Who had that? I don't know you did, somebody? Why why would you get the underscore? Nobody wants an underscore like you just must have. I couldn't believe it. Who runs the runaway June page? We do? Clearly it's a mess. Dude. Guys slide into your personal d M all the time randomly. I actually don't check my d ms anymore. It just would bump me out. It just bumped. It was big time bum out because well, I've never I've never done any dating apps ever, um like, and so it kind of started to feel like a dating app, like I was just being hit up by like all kinds of people. Made me kind of feel like, whoa, there's just nothing natural left. And um I was like, I felt like I was being ordered like a pizza. I'm like, no, I just I just stopped. Don't hate technology, I don't. I don't hate it technology. There's been some good things that have happened, but I really don't check my like I'll talk to my fans in the comments section, like you comment on something. I'll talk to you there, but get out of my d MS. I comment on every picture and I never get a message it I don't comment. I should comment on stuff. I never did. You don't. I'm on a comment on everything, and I always always acknowledge you there where If you comment on something, do I I'd never go back and look what? What is this conversation? Why would I like your comment? If you're not going to go back and see that, you will comment on somebody's then go back and see if they've acknowledge your comming. You get a little you get alert, don't you right? Too many followers, I don't know, like a mild flex. They're so glad that you're a product of this. You're a product all right? Here we are, Episode two twelve, Runaway June. Check out Blue Roses. Thank you for coming by. Oh my god, thanks for having me. It's so fun. How did it feel rolling solo doing an interview? I felt pretty pretty cool with you, felt good. I don't know. I can't say for other ones, though, well, I say, just wrapped. Never do another solo one ever. And also let me say hi to Hannah Engine love them and I know they're not here, but if they want to come in individually to you. Guys, can all trash talk each other, would be great. We've cut out all the trash talking. By the way, if you're hearing this, we cut out all the trash talks. We're in therapy. There's no trash talking outside. Yeah, all right now me, thank you, Thanks Bobby,