Former Bachelorette Andi Dorfman

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody to another episode of Bachelor Happy Hour. And you guys, today it's a big day because it's our last ever recapping session of a Bachelor Goat episode. Who I know, it's a it's a good day because I think bigger and better things to come from here. But last night on ABC we had the airing of the highly anticipated Nick Vile season, which, of course, Rachel, we got to see you a little bit, so it's always so fun to watch. And then next Monday, we have our final episode ever of Greatest of All Time with one Pablos season, which will then jump start us into Claire's season of The Bachelorette. And it's just crazy to think about that we've already aired ten whole Bachelor Goat seasons because I feel like it wouldn't buy really fast, but it was. I love the guests that we had on and some of the past Bachelork contestants that I feel like usually we would have never had the opportunity to bring on. So we have to think the recapping of the old seasons to have these women on. But you know, where did the time go? It's crazy to think that one Pablo season is going to be jump starting Claire's season, and I cannot wait for the countdown to begin because I have a feeling her season is going to be one of the as Chris Harrison would say, most dramatic seasons ever. Yeah, they need a new word for Claire season. Whatever is gonna I've never seen so many rumors flying around, so much speculation. I mean, I get it. Times are hard, We're in desperate need of content and Bachelor Nation news, and so people are just creating their own stories. And I've seen some of them. I've seen some of them, and I'm gonna be honest with you, guys, it's ridiculous, Like, let's just all take a beat and realize that it is not plausible for some of this stuff to actually be happening. Something you said to Becca one Pablo season is going to jump start Claire season. Who would have ever thought that would be the case, right, No one. I think anyone saw it coming. I've never even I had never even seen one public season like Full Out when it aired. I wasn't watching the show then, but I've heard the horror stories. It's like, once you start getting your Bachelor Nation history. They always talked about one Pablo season, and never did I think we would be seeing it again, And never did I think that that would be what started Claire's season for the Bachelorette, you know, like what an entrance, you know what I mean, like one of the introduction to her season. So I think that just shows, you know, you never know what's gonna happen in Bachelor Nation. They're full of surprises. There's so many twists and turns because let's just admit it, we're all crazy, and so you never know us gonna go down. But yes, the time did fly by with this Bachelor greatest seasons ever. It flew and now it can just fly away. We don't need to see it. But it was great to reminisce and like you said, and to be able to talk to like some of our legends in this whole Bachelor Nation world. And so I mean, part of me is exciting to see Juan Pablo season, and for multiple reasons, right, like number one, Claire, Right, we get to see Claire do her thing, we get to see the rise of Claire, we to see her tell Juan Pablo off. And then also we get to see our girl, Andy Dorfman, who also had an epic tell off from what I'm told of Juan Pablo seemed to be a theme of that season. And speaking of Andy Dorfman, not only was she on Jan Pablo season, but it was on her season that we were first introduced to Nick viall my ex boyfriend. Remember how I used to say that I feel like everyone's ex boyfriend boyfriend to Sha too, Sha, more than anybody else can say. So now, grant listen, we were introduced to him like six more times, which is why you say he's everybody's boyfriend right after that. But if I want for Nick, I wouldn't be sitting right here on a zoom call virtually talking to you right now. So for that alone, I love Andy Dorfman period, But I also love her for so many other reasons. I mean, she is my sister in the law. You know, she paved the way for lawyers on the show. And according to my r DMS, our little baschlor Happy Hour listeners, you all love Andy just as much as we do, and that's why we listen to you. We did, we heard you, and guess what, you guys, we got Andy Dorfman on the podcast today. So I can't wait to get her on and ask her all of our questions and your questions. Yes, I'm so excited to have Andy on. She is one woman that I met her for the first time in person at the Bachelorne reunion that we had last year, and like Stanley, clicked with her. She just she's just such a good, like spunky woman just always like she's just open to everyone. Like I remember watching her interact with some of the fans from like I mean because her season, what was I don't even know, Like I don't want to like age anyone, but like five six years ago. It was sixty years ago, yeah, six years ago, And it was so funny because like she's sitting back, she's like, no one knows who I am, No one remembers me on from this reunion and all these people came up to her and they're like Andy, and I was like, you're wrong. People love you. But yes, as you said, we've been wanting to have her on and chat with her for a while now, and I think she's the perfect guest to round out the Bachelor Greatest of all time. So if you guys don't follow Andy on Instagram, she has this amazing running club and for somebody who doesn't run. I'm even inspired by her. It's all the Endorphins, which is obviously a very cute name. It's a play on words, and each day she sets running goals for her followers, which got me thinking, Rachel, you know I love a good club. I'm all about like I started this random cross stitche club like a couple of weeks ago, and then it really didn't go. But I made one cross stitch and that was about it. So maybe I should pick it back up. But speaking of clubs, if you had one, what would it be, What would the name of it be? What goals would you set for your followers? Because everyone needs a new hobby or passion or something to get started, especially in this year. Yikes, that's a tough one. That's a tough question to answer. I guess the way I've because Andy's killing it with her club. I mean, I like you. Back at I even was like, you know what Andy does it? She looks awesome. She seems like she's in great spirits, you know, like it's it's also about the way you feel. Yeah, so like what Andy's doing, it's like taken, like caught on, like wildfire and it's, you know, a cross country thing. It's it's it's crazy that she moved from New York to LA two because it's almost like she's taken the movement across the country. So I guess when I think of clubs, I think of the purpose of them. Obviously it's to create a community, but I also think it's about accountability. And I'm saying all this to say, if I had to pick a club, what would I want to create a community of And what is something that I struggle with? Consistency? And I would want people to hold me accountable, So I would start a meditation club. I really have found meditation to be so extremely helpful for me and to also help me set my intention throughout the day and the mindset, because if there were a spectrum of being positive and negative, I lean more towards the negative side and a super negative. People call it being real being more realist, and Brian is the most positive person ever, and so it's a good balance and I'm aware of it more. But if I set my intention through the day and I take ten minutes out of the day to meditate and really focus, it really set changes my mindset throughout the day. Because I'm always going back to what it is that I had centered my intention on at the beginning of the day. So it's just helped me relax and release and be in a more positive mindset. And I've just really found it really beneficial. And there's so many ways that you can do it, whether for me, it's sitting outside and doing it in the morning, whether I do it through prayer, or I do it through yoga, or sometimes I just randomly do it throughout the day, like while I'm walking my dog. It's great. But if I had people holding me accountable for it, like did you meditate today? Have you meditated? Maybe sharing what their intention was, I think that it would really help me stick to it every single day. What would you do that's well, I first of all love that my mom has. Oh my god, I just said that, Like I'm English my mom. My mom meditates every day and she puts herself in the compute at a room in her little office and she listens to this ten to thirty minute audio book on her computer. And I would always walk by, like when I was staying back with her Minnesota, and I'm like, okay, it's a quiet time. Like I have to walk gingerly like I can't bother her. But I props to people who can meditate and do you I cannot. I don't know, like I just can't shut my brain down. I wish I could. I wish I had it in me. So maybe maybe Rachel I could be your first follower meditation. You could guess what, well, what we would call ourselves. I'm not sure about that, but I think if you do it in the morning, it because yes, you're thinking about what you have to do for the day, but if you carve out that time that for me, that's when I found out it's the best or like walking the dog when you have to do those things. But also as as my first member, yes, I would say, don't try to start with like big minutes, to start with two minutes. I'll try one minute and then just build on that. You know, I'm going to make you hold me accountable and check in with me every morning and be like back and did you get your two minutes in? I'm gonna be night. I think I am. Well. I love that you said that you wanted something that has purpose and that can be held accountable. When I think of a club like for me, I just think of something that maybe I mean, I think of like things that I enjoy that I really love. And two things that right now come to mind are cooking and I also am like, I don't know what it's been in the past year. I love true crime and like murder mysteries, and I've talked about this on my Instagram with like I follow another podcast called crime Junkies. But I feel like if I could combine the two, you know, because like every day I'm cooking, like that's where I spend a lot of my time is making meals. I just enjoy it. And so I think it'd be fun to start a club where, like here on my foods with my sister, whoever wants to join, we could just like do Zoom calls as really making a recipe together and like talking about true crime, like each week we would like, you know, you're making your ravioli talking about Ed Gaen. I don't know, it really has no concept. That's just what I'm going off of right now. But I just love those two things. Um, I don't know what I would call it, like crime in the kitchen or uh killing killing the kitchen, killing it in the kitchen. I don't know what it would be something like that, but I feel like the more people I talked to when I like, listen to my crime podcast, like people are fixated on it, and so I feel like it could really bond people in a way, like a weekly check in where you're like making something fun and drinking drinking glass of wine talking about serial killers. Yea, I did well killing it in the kitchen. I don't know, we'll finess it. We obviously know how we do with names on this podcast, so we'll see what I like. I mentioned I did start a random h cross stitch club. The only member as of right now is Tia Booth. She wanted to heart it too. I don't know if she's actually like a legit member because Tia, if you're listening, I don't know if you've got your your string and your cross stitching materials. But um, that's something I could definitely. I'm just I'm not good at clubs, Like, I'm not consistent, So I just need some people to hold me accountable and keep it up. Yeah, I mean I like which I'm not into the true cross I've tried, but I have a lot of friends that are ye and it's a big community of it. I feel like I need to give it another try. So you know, okay, join my club, but i'd start with you. We'll join it, you know. Yeah, And well here's the thing. I'm always trying to make cookings sound be more fun, Like I just don't enjoy it. So maybe, you know, if I'm killing it in the kitchen, yeah, maybe I'll enjoy it a little bit. We'll we'll like have chefs join in on these like virtual zoom calls and as we're chopping up carrots, we're talking about like the Golden Sake Alert whatever it might be entertaining for all. Gosh, this sounds gory. Okay, see, maybe Becca and I need to give this some more thought and we should just leave the club thing to Andy, somebody who's killing it and who's been pretty successful with creating her own community called the Adorphins, which I just loved. Do you know? I even had her actually, like I got so inspired. I was like, Hey, I'm not really I'm a sprinter. I'm not a long distance runner. My knee locks up when I do when I run for a long time. Can you create something for me? And she did. She took the time to create her own plan for me, and I never did it. I'm pitiful. I'm like, I'm I never I still have it saved, and maybe since we'll both be on the West Coast, I can do it. Started it together. Back to someone who's killing it, killing it not in the kitchen, but maybe killing it on the pay streets, in the streets. So Aside from the adorphins, Annie has so much going on. She's in New York Times best selling author. How many people can say that? Okay, not once, but twice. She's a fellow former attorney, my sister in the law, and like some other people I know, she's made a big move to La. Needless to say, you guys, everybody, welcome. You asked for here she is. Let's give a big round of applause to Andy Dorphan. Welcome to the show, Andy Dorphan. It's about damn time. Yes, it's so good to see you. You are looking great for all of our listeners who can't look at her right now. Her hair is long, her skin is glowing. You're looking lovely. Maybe, how the hell are you? I'm good, it's that California sunshine. I don't know it's going well. For me, took the move from New York City to LA. Been here I think, like officially two months and already yeah, two full months. Okay, I've did a new empty apartment, but I've got the beach and sun. I feel like I've got some color, Like I feel good. How has the just I've been from New York? I mean, other than realizing like how much stuff has to be done, including like my stuff from storage getting moved, furniture, or like starting over looking for a house, looking for a car, which is all stressful stuff. The fact that like I get to be out here on the West Coast, it's like a whole new chapter of life is exciting for me. So I feel like the excitement probably outweighs all of those stresses. But I definitely do get stressed about that kind of stuff, Like I have the moments in the car where I just start crying because the movers are delayed a month or whatever it may be. Talk to me about this cross country move because I'm literally shipping so much stuff from Miami to LA right now. And yeah, we'll talk. We'll talk about that. But it's interesting what you say. I never I get I get to New York hustle and the mindset. Yeah, the moment you hit the streets of New York, you feel like you feel motivated. I there's there's nothing like it. If you've never been, when you go, you'll feel it. You're like, shit happens here and grime, but that's it. That's it York because and you have now made the move to the West Coast, it's totally just just think of your apartment alone space. The rent is like sixty percent cheaper. Grass probably outside. I started about planting, like I just know I have a full but I have no furniture, but I have a full balcony of plants, Like I have plants, Like what, It's insane. I won't say this though I loved New York. I lived in New York for five and a half years. Um. I went there kind of running away from broken engagement, which we all know about, and New York like gave me exactly what I needed. I started over there. I there was a grin, it was fun, I felt like librand, which was exactly what I needed. And I think with New York there comes a point where you're just like, Okay, I'm either going to stay here forever and risk possiblity of like waking up in five years and being in the same exact spot, because it does kind of become like this cycle and you know, or you just say, all right, I've had my fun, and for me it was like I'd had my fun and now new chapter of life, like I needed to get away from that good. I want to ask, and I probably should ask this like later in the interview, but we did mention that you are a twice over New York Times bestselling author and you keep mentioning this new chapter. So is there perhaps another book in the work now that you are settled out in La Total change, Total probably heart change. Yeah, everything there is. There is a third book coming. No telling exactly when because the thing called COVID happened, but yeah, there's a third book coming, and at of it has to do with more of the reasons of why I moved out of New York City and why it was just kind of time for that change. And it's not just it wasn't just the fact that I was there for five years. It's the fact that I'm thirty three years old. And I'm sure you know, we all kind of feel this way when you start watching people your age have kids and settled down and you start to wonder like, oh shit, what have I been doing this whole time? So the book is definitely going to be like a major departure from that little single girl having her fun in the city, which we all know I did, into kind of market this serious like what am I doing with my life? Type of boy. I can't wait. As fun as this conversation is, let's let's let's make it take a turn a bit. I know you don't want to talk about this, but we're going to. How do you bring it? How do you feel about watching one Pablo season? I imagine something you never thought you'd see on national television again, I mean, Andy, Yeah, But then again, I finally realized that, like, never expect that nothing's going to resurface when it comes to the Bachelor World. I mean, honestly, I'm probably not gonna watch because like I already did it, I already experienced it. Like, I'm glad it's not my season. Put it that way, I'm glad that more of the focus is shifted on everybody else and that I don't have to relive my season again. Um, feel kind of bad for Juan Pablo that he's gonna have to relive his Oh my part is short and sweeting me, so that's it. Well, I will say, you know, he'll be breaking news in between, like I'm always breaking news that pops in, but like my specific part. Yeah, well, you know there's been obviously we know Claire's the next batch short, and there's been this whole movement around, like the moment Claire told Juan Pablo off and like she really stood her ground and it was firm. But you also had that moment like I remember watching it when it aired, being like hell, yeah you go girl, when you were sitting with him after the fantasy sweet moment when you're like it's not okay, Like that moment that was another moment on his seat and where it wasn't just one girl who told him off. It was multiple for very similar reasons. And so it was such a good, badass moment for you. But yeah, I'm sure it's weird rewatching that and him. I mean, the whole it's not okay thing. It's like, sometimes I love it, sometimes I wish I never said it. The thing at that moment though, that a lot of people don't realize. It's like that was a season of built up of it's not okay. So girls would go on dates and they'd have like major life stories to tell them, whether it was about their parents or their childhood, and his response was always like, it's okay. And it started kind of becoming a running joke, but it was also annoying within the house amongst the girls, and for me, I think in that moment, it was like, Lee, it's just okay. Like I've been sitting here for days, like contemplating how to do this and feeling this and going through the emotions, and it's like I kind of likened it if you were dating some guys like six months and you know, you decided to break up with him and he's like it's fine, but like, were you just not invested? And so I think that's where the fresh ration came from. It wasn't about a language barrier, it wasn't about you know, him being how he was. It was just like, how are you just okay with you know, somebody's feelings and all that time and it just didn't seem to matter to him. I mean you I've never met or talked to him, so I have no idea. How do you think it is for him knowing that it's going to reair? Do you think he even cares? I don't think he has to care. I do think he has the capacity to care. Like, I mean, the guy is not evil by any means, but like, I just think he's probably done with it. I think, you know, he had a choice going to stay in or stay out, and we haven't really hurt from him very much. But yeah, yeah, I don't know. I'm probably nicer on him than I should be. Well, I mean, enough time has passed, you know what I mean. Like I saw him within the last year. I didn't. I didn't meet him because I mean, I'm out here in Miami and so is he, I guess. But we were all at the same event and he was playing volleyball, so I didn't see him. But his mother came up to me and like cornered me and gave me her phone number and was just like, I would love to talk to you about how they aired my son's season. And I'm like, wasn't that like five years ago? I mean, Almo, don didn't he get married or something. I'm confused as to why she was so concerned that he wasn't depicted in the right way, and she felt I would understand it because I'm married a Latin man, and she was like, you know how it is. I'm like, is it like? That? Was? That was the thing too though, that was annoying during our season was it was always the excuse was always it's the Latin culture or there's a language barrier, and that wasn't been an excused. The excuse was that he just didn't really care about a lot of us, which is fine, but don't like waste our time. And you both probably know that, having been in the position where you're responsible for twenty five guys and yeah, you know you don't get to cut everybody on night one. But there's a fine balance between like letting it go to a certain point in involving people's families when like you just don't genuinely care. Yeah, yeah, right, Why are you happy they're not showing your season? Because I wouldn't want them to show mine either, So I mean, but I'm just curious as to, like, I mean, to your marryat of reasons. Obviously the nick part, it's like, Okay, I don't need to relive that I don't like watching myself on TV anyways, like I cringe and I'm just like, oh that alt of the choice or oh that remembered that face, Like it's just I donated. I'm good on Bachelor World, But can I just say that you were my motivation as to how I wanted my season to end. I like, I did not watch your season at the time. I was the Bachelorrette, but you hear so much about different people, and I would ask questions, So I specifically ask questions about you because you were an attorney and then like you had reached out to me too when I was announced and they told me how you got to send someone home before the royal ceremony and I was like, adamant, I said, I will do whatever you want, but I want an ending. Before I even met the guys, I was like, I want an ending like Andy season. Yeah, I have two people standing up there, and I think that's what bothered me and still to this day, and like Nick knows this that bothers about it. It's like he's always kind of like treated I would say Caitlyn in a nicer way publicly than me, and I'm like, dude, I'm the one that like didn't make you get down on one knee like I'm no one had saved you from that, and then you blasted me on live TV like I don't know why you're upset, but yeah, that was a big thing for me, Like I'm sorry, but if somebody's going to pick out an engagement ring, like I'm not going to let them pick out engagement ring knowing that I'm going to say no. Yeah. Yeah, it's so crazy to think that because of Nick, I am now talking to both of you. We also have Caitlin because like if he brings people together in such this weird way. And Andy, I wanted to tell you this because so when it was my season, I met Rachel, Caitlin and Joejoe, and they gave me this batched bible like going into my night one with all the dudes and I so I recently sent it off to where they're filming the new season of the Bachelorette for her to have. But one of the notes and I feel like you would so love and to appreciate this was said if Nick shows up, just say no dot dot dot, and I have a photo. I have a photo of it, and I think I sent it to Caitlin a couple of days ago. I should send it to you, but um, but it's just so funny how there's all these weird incestuous tie like we've Rachel said it before, like it's this incestuous family of like everyone's dated someone or know somebody through and it's just like crazy to think because all three of you women are so different in your own unites. It's like, what is this type like the Bachelorette. Yeah, strong women are for sure. Whoever's the Bachelorette might be in nice. But it's funny. It's so true though, Like it's so incestual. And I even think, like people don't give my guys enough credit, Like we got out of my guys, Chris Souls, that's still in the mix. Nick obviously on Paradise, on Caitlin's season, and as his own, that's still all in the mix, and like, yeah, those guys are kind of the gift that keeps on giving. Yeah, the whole like your season, Yeah, Chris Souls is the bachelor after my season. Yeah, yeah, because Caitlin's on, say okay, yeah, sometimes you're just like it all like blends in together. So how do you feel about Claire being the bachelorette. I'm excited for her. I mean, I think it's gonna be It's hard because I know some stuff. I feel like it's gonna be difficult for her, knowing her and knowing how like emotional she is and how much she wants this specific outcome, and I've talked to her about it and told her, you know, like the outcome's not guaranteed. I feel like it's gonna be emotionally tough for her. Yeah. I mean again, I'm trying to choose my words carefully here. I think we all are. I We have Claire on the podcast, and Claire was very She's very matter of fact, and she's the one who knows what she wants. And I think that that's a gift and a curse when it comes to entering this world, especially when you're so far removed from it, because you almost don't want to play along the same way that some people are too. And then let's just add the fact that like it's Palm Springs, it's hot, the devils. The Devil's on every single day with you, and it's just like it's just it's just too much, you know. So I think it'll be it'll be interesting, I think, But I feel like and I don't know how the season, like how it all plays out, but I feel like people will enjoy watching a Claire you fell in love with her for as certain reason, and I think people will really love to see her tape control because I think that's the type of bacheloret she's going to be. I mean, look, her motivation will never be questioned, like she is absolutely going in there to find a husband. And my advice to her I had already before she left, was like, look, I know what your motivation is, Like you're you're on the right track with that. No one's going to question like you're reasoning for being there. But if that person isn't there, you don't have to, you know, manifest a husband out of this, Like there's no guarantee. So I don't think interesting to see. That's my only thing with it being tough for her is I don't know if she's willing to like open up a little bit and have this potentially not work out. And that's scary, by the way, Like you feel like you've got one shot at this. We all know that feeling, like, and some of us have probably made some decisions that weren't right based on that feeling myself fluted. And so like you think you've going got one shot at it, and you think you have to have this this ending that you come in with within your mind, and truth is, it doesn't always work out when you have that. I think that's such a good point. And the fact that you know we're all past batchelorettes, we can probably all relate. Like the pressure, which I think that's the people don't take into consideration when they're watching the season's back, is the pressure on you is astronomical. It's like you you know, like you go in knowing how the show works and knowing that for the most where people usually get engaged. And I mean, obviously it's been a little bit different in so of the past seasons, but it's a it's a hard thing, like especially for Claire to have had some more time off prior to filming, like sitting in the quarantine and like being able to like look up the guys and know a little bit more to go in being like I, you know, I have to make this work some way somehow. And again, yeah, I don't want to say too much, but like I just hope she does it in her own way. Consider everyone. It's so different. Andy. Speaking of that short, if it was ever offered to you again, would you do the second time around? Because the people are talking, I mean I never say never. There you go. I don't think i'd be good at at it the second time around, Then that means you'd be fantastic. I really don't think i'd be that great at it the second time around, because you would be too, like you would know too much of how it kind of works, or just more what great I would want to watch you think, Oh, I don't know. I don't know. I think I would just be more um more matter of fact, like I would want to probably cut fifteen guys on the first night, right. But I think the reason I think you'd be great is because they'd really have to step it up for you. I mean literally, you've literally written a book about living a single life and dating in New York, and you dated some heavy hitter hitters, and so I feel like it's like they they couldn't they couldn't be like no offense, but like I don't want to I'm not gonna call itu a specific job, but it's like you couldn't have somebody unemployed, you know, unless they have an inheritance with the trust fun And I'm not saying it's not saying I'm not saying that you're all about money. What I'm just saying is it's like guys would just have to you have to step it up. There's certain people you're willing to date when you're a lot younger and explore it and figure it out. But you're in a place in your life where you're settled and you know, and you're you're grounded and you know where you're going, and it's like you don't have time to date people who are who are trying to figure out who they are. That's I guess that's what I'm trying to figure out. Like whether it be an influencer and all that shit. I'm just like I can't. I don't know. I will give you a great season if they could pick those type of in the right one. But I think also how can those men take off? That's the other thing. It's like it has nothing to do with the money. For me, by the way, like I'm I'm driven by I think ambition is so sexy and a guy like I don't hear what you're doing. And so my question, this is what I kind of thought about on my season. It's like there's only a specific amount of people men in particularly that can just like take six to nine weeks work. Maybe if they had like a workstation at the Bachelor mansion, how about that, like, yeah, something to it where it's like these people taking nine weeks off, Like I don't know, I didn't put a hitting camera in the corner and see who's actually getting work done and who's like on their Instagram checking to see how many followers they have or how many girls you know, And I'd like to throw some exiting there. Yeah, yeah, like five xs to compare them too. But this works so easily because it's right, like, as the lead, we need to be the ones who are protected from searching on the internet, so we don't look at our guys for the guys you're in, you know what I mean, Like I mean, unless you're going to google somebody to tell on them, you know, to the lead, it doesn't really matter if they're on the internet as much, you know what I mean? Did you quite your job? I got to do well. I took leave, but I took two weeks vacation, and then I just came back eight weeks later. Sorry, did you think you would be gone, like you know, week by week for you're like, oh, I'm still here, like because when I left, I was like, my mom will see you in two weeks, yep, I do. I packed the two suitcases. I actually the first night, it kept getting later and later. You know how they have us in the hotel room for the first row ceremony, and I thought for sure by like ten pm, I was like, I'm definitely an alternate. I didn't even think I was going to make it into the mansion the first night. And then I was like, definitely getting caught night one. Like everyone has that fear, I feel like, and so I packed for two weeks. I packed the two suitcases like they said everyone else brought like five pieces of luggage. I ran out of close like three weeks and I showed back on the work. I was like, sorry, I didn't realize I was gonna be there that long. I think everybody does that. I definitely told my boss. I was like, oh yeah, black girl goes five really fast. I was like, I'll be I'll be sit home in like two weeks lately and then I then I came home after nine weeks and then took another two weeks off. I was like, I'm not mentally ready to come back. It's just ridiculous, just us, just yeah. So Andy, you shared this post on Instagram that Becca and I both loved and if real, the three things to keep private your love life, your bank account, and your next big move. Um. So, while we won't ask you about your your bank account and never never never speak you, never speak of money, we are nos either. We are nosy, and we want to ask you about your love life. U. We know we shouldn't, but who are you dating? We shouldn't ask this, but who you know? One? Okay though? From us? Yeah, yeah, I've got a list. We've got a list. I love to match make. I always brag on this. I have set people up who've been married more than once. I think I'm really good at this. And yes I will toot my horn. I think I am great at setting people up. Um, but have you tried to date during the pandemic? I mean, I know you had a big move, so that's a lot in itself. It's like a whole life adjustment. But like, does it look like to even date right now during the pandemic. I don't know. Um, I mean I always a roster. Yeah, maybe we're all playing in this season, but they're still you know, still keep a roster. I always always keep a starting five. Always. I lu trade sometimes you have to trade one out, like whatever. I just don't. The thing is with dating during the pandemic, Like you can't go to a restaurant or like you're not like meeting people at a bar. So I feel like I'm kind of lucky that I've just moved to LA and like figuring all that out and starting new stuff with and orphans, Like I don't really want a guy right now. Some of my friends that are single, all they can do is rely on the dating apps and like the internet. Not meeting guys at a bar, you're not really like meeting them anywhere else. Yeah, no one can. I mean in California, like you can not really do much whatsoever. Besides Like I mean, I was gonna ask, like, do you like when you go out running, do you ever like stop and you're like, oh he's kind of cute, or like go up and approach anyone when you're I don't approach him but I definitely do like the look back. I have no problem doing a long, hard look back, and then I'm just like, I'm gonna go running with you one of these days. Nobody ever approaches me though, because maybe it's not working. Well, you know, it's it's hot. It's hot in California right now, I'm like, whatever, it's a good eye candy. Like, yeah, so speaking of my endorphins. And we talked a little bit about this prior to having you on, but I mean, we personally think it's amazing. We s like, I mean, you know, I messaged you a couple of times, like I've taked doing Instagram, like I cannot run more than two miles. I don't know what my deal is. I need you in my life to help me. But like, truly, what you are doing is amazing and we've seen it just grow and grow and grow with each story that you're posting and Instagram in feed post and it's just amazing. So I want to know more about the how and the why did you just you know, talk did you decide to start doing that going I started during the marathon, Like when I was training, I had like no idea what I was doing In the start, I got paired up with a coach in New York City. We did this whole training plan and I would just like Instagram story while I was running, and people kept messaging me with their stories, and they started telling me the reasons they were running, and they were really deep, like people were either going through like postpartum depression. There were people that were having in like dramatic weight issues, or people that were depressed from breakups, all types of these things. And I was like, wow, this is actually like a community of people instead of just me and somebody that's reposting all these things or reading these messages. I was like, people want to hear this. So created the hashtag, which everyone voted on, was and orphins. And it's funny because things and it's like it's one of those hashtags that's used exactly how a hashtag should be, where like you click on it and it's everyone from around the world is able to put that tag on and you can find that inspiration from everybody else. Like it's not me sitting there being like, hey, go do this or go do that, it's other people doing it, and like I feel like you can see how proud people are once they've accomplished like one of the challenges, and I think that energy kind of just has been growing. It's been like a snowball and just getting bigger and bigger, and so I guess I could go ahead and give it away, but we're doing I know this is like an exclusive. Maybe, um it's gotten so big that like Instagram, now I can't just do Instagram. So we're going to do an and Orfen app. Yeah yeah, yeah, I like it. Yeah, Yeah, that's insane. Yeah, so that was part of the LA moved too. But I kind of give a toushows you don't mean, I don't say anything until it's like done. I'll be like peace at the airport. I'm moving to Laho, like what I'm like, No, this has been an amergenster a month or so. But yeah, that's kind of the next move, just to let Joe. But it's just cool. Like I honestly just the experience that I had from running the marathon and a lot of this is what makes up the third book. Like I was in a very specific like funk in my life when I ran the marathon, and just what it did for me is something that I just want to be able to give other people the opportunity, like the way it changed my confidence, the way it like just changed my life. And so for me, it's just that experience for everyone else, how because you know, I try to run, I can't, So I'm just going to pick your brains. I'm sure that there's listeners out there who are kind of like me, who they hit their two mile mark and they're like, oh, I can't keep that going, And especially like in the LA heat, what advice would you give them to just keep pushing through it and like day by day, just keep working at towards whatever goal they have. I mean there's a ton of it. Like first of all, that's why we're doing the app with like the challenges on there, so that you can kind of mix it up. I mean it's very easy to like for running to get mundane and you kind of pique at a certain number of miles. I think, first of all, it's like setting goals for yourself. But also I see running lessons like an exercise and more of just my free time, Like it's a one hour a day that I take for myself. I put my phone on do not Disturb, listen to some music like it's my own me time. And so I think so often we get hung up on like what the number is or how many miles you're doing, and instead just like, hey, I've got forty five minutes that I'm just gonna like to vote to me, like I can walk it, i can run it, I can do whatever. But like it doesn't matter the actual number of miles. It's just like, think of it in a different way. I think it is your own therapy, your own moment of calmness. It's so true what you're saying, because I was sharing the story before how I's like, any I want to start running, I'm sprint, can you please? And you took the time to design something for me and I still haven't done it yet. I say that. I know I called myself out on it, but it's interesting when you're saying you were running and you were recording yourself, and so many people were giving you their reason for running. And I think that's so important because I grew up running track and I ran as a sprinter. So it's like always a goal. You're always trying to beat the clock. It's there's no purpose behind it other than to win. And I've never run for a purpose. Except very recently in May, I have not run outside. I don't even know. I don't even know the last time I ran outside. But everybody was doing the run for a mod aubrary and I was like, I'm gonna get out and I'm gonna run. And that is the only time in my life I have run for something that didn't have to do with me. And it was crazy, how the time how fast. Now I walked a little bit as well, but it's crazy how fast the time went. I couldn't believe it. But yes, so I think it's so important. So to answer your question back, I guess for me, what gave me the motivation and it sounds like a lot of endorphins was to have a purpose for running that was bigger than myself. Yeah, and that's what mentally pushed me to get there. It really, it really helps. And then it comes in like all different forms, like even if it is about you, or even if it's like I started running because I was traveling and I'd be somewhere when wouldn't be a gym or whatever, and I started running and seeing cities by foot, and like the way you see even your own neighborhood by the foot is so different than how you're driving by, like let's all golf or run just like look at how Yeah you know I'm not gonna buy that, Like yeah, it's kind of just like incorporating like a run into things that you may or may not already be doing. Like it's so but you see the world differently. Yeah, and it's something that you, like you said, you can do really at any point wherever you're at. You don't need weights, you don't need bands, you don't need a parachute. That's it anything, Yeah, exactly. And before you got on actually, originally I were joking about if we were to start a club what it would be and Rachel to play into what you were saying, like for meditation, like it's even running could be that for you or for me because I want to join your meditation club. Great. I feel like running would be great for you. Actually, I know it would. It's just a mental block because I'm like very up up tight, I'm very type A and I know I would release a lot if I ran. Um, I know it would, And I'm gonna put this. I'm gonna everybody hold me freaking accountable. I truly have no excuse being out here in LA with this one. I mean, I'm gonna be a good mile behind you, but it doesn't matter. I'm sure if you're a mile accountable. If you're a mile behind Andy, I'm like five miles behind you both. I'm also kill you to run a freaking marathon. I hope I'm a mile ahead. I'm like, come on, my friends, so you guys can look for me. I bet I'm not far from you because I'm just like on the other started the freeway from you, Andy, So it's probably like I'll run to you and then no, but I run with my friends, you guys, honestly, Like I'll run with my girlfriends that don't run at all, and they're like, oh, I feel so bad. It's like not a workout for you. I'm like, it's not about the workout, like I'll stop, I'll walk, Like if you look at the challenges, most of them have walking involved, because it's just about like getting out there. And I ran with a friend the other day, um who did the brent Wood Loop and it's like two miles and she still wanted to go. I was like, you want to go one more? And she was like, I don't think I could do it. Like shit. I was like, we can just like walk if you can't do it. She did it, and she was like, fuck, I feel so good. I'm like, see you like you never regret going to actually while like you're never gonna regret going for a run. I have to ask, are you when you run with like your friends or with anyone, are you a talker? Are you a runner and talker at the same time. I can be because I have one friend who back him in a side think I am. I'm oh my god, I'm not. I'm like, I'm just trying to breathe right now. I'm trying to stay live. And one of my best friends always talk to like wants to have this conversation. I'm like, can you just tell me a story and I'll run next to you and like go try to go at the same pace. Yeah no, actually been I'm not a conversational it's been running. I mean, I don't if I run with someone, I don't like to stick my head one and listen to music. But if I but I'm not sitting there like talking the whole time, I'd be completely out of brad. Yeah, yeah, no, I would be like, don't talk to me, just just just just don't talk to me. Let me just get for this pace please, that might make me run faster. We make you a playlist, Rachel, like you're doing it. Oh no, I'm I'm there, I'm I'm yeah, I'm trying to get I'll trade out. I'll do something outside of my comfort zone. You're getting. We talked about I'll do or no. No, do you hate yoga? You hate yoga? You don't like yoga. That's what I'm doing. Man, that's it, you guys. She can't stay yoga right behind me. I have three yoga mats. We can move all of the furniture. I got the hardwood floors. We're doing it. Yeah, I'll do something like because I love yoga, I clearly don't. I've never done a peloton in my life. Is that like I should say I've never done a peloton. We'll all switch. You come over and you swat peloton one and then you're doing wine after yeah. Oh yeah, so yeah, that's all you need. Front towards the bottle in New York, to the bar. I would see your stories. You would just treat yourself to like a cocktail or some bubbles. I'm like, that's God, she's doing it right, That's what I used to go at least a booze. I'm like whatever, running to the bar. Something that you said earlier that I want to touch on because we've already talked about you being a two times New York two times New York Times bestseller. Um do I say that? Right? Yeah? It's just the Times the Time Listen, it's because I'm not one, so you know, I don't get me right, I have two times New York Times bestseller. You mentioned though, because we've been on this whole conversation about running and like, naw, I'm I'm pumped. If it wasn't so hot where I am right now, I would literally get out and run bare foot. I don't even my running shoo, it's just barefoot. I'm pumped to the pool. Um. But you said that your next book, or at least some of it, will be about you know, running the marathon and why you got into that and where you were in your life. And I'm very curious because you're writing your third book and like most people, a lot of people stop at one right because they don't have either they don't have that much to say or people realize it's very very hard to write a book, and you're on your third one here, so I'm very curious, like have you always known what exactly that it is that you want to write? And whatever you're answer me be how is it that you get your ideas for your books? Great question actually, because it explains why the third book is taking longer. So the first book, you know, I journaled the breakup. That was kind of like an easy one to get out. The second one, I moved to New York. There were like plenty of stories there for that. And the reason that it's taken a while for the third book is because like you can't just make stuff up in your life like that's you know, a fiction book, which is fine, but for me, it was like I kept trying to write, trying to write, but there was nothing really going on with my life, which ends up being part of the book. I had just kind of like hit that lall. I didn't have the motivation. I didn't really have anything to write about. And I will say that, like the ending for this book has obviously shifted, like it was going to end at a certain point and now look where we are and so the ending changes. So you have to be like open to like let the story come to you. I think you can't force the stories. You can't force the life that you're writing. You kind of have to just live life and see where it goes. If it takes you five years, it takes you five and like, and I've really really learned that with this third book. I had to just take a deep breath and be like, I can't force these stories. Like they will come eventually, and when they do, you know they'll be as raw and as you know, genuine as possible, and you just have to kind of like wait for it. I'm so impatient, Like that's the hardest thing to I'm one of the most impatient people. Like, but I feel like we've all read books where the ending is mediocre and it leaves you want and more and it lacks. And so I think that that's good that you have the wherewithal in the mindset to be open to waiting and yeah, and I do that right ending, Yeah, finding the ending, and like, also for me, it's so personal. I mean, I you too know this, Like my method of like communication voicing my feelings is definitely through writing. I've learned that it's not on social media. I just I convey my feelings when I write, and so for me, it's something that's always personal, and so I want to take that time and want it to be like carefully crafted and in a way that's obviously raw and real, but it's so personal to me. Yeah, I can't wait. And I know it might not even be an ending. It could be the start of your fourth or fifth and sixth book. I think you should after this, you should write a fiction book. I think it would be a lot of fun. I would write a fiction book, but I'm too terrified too, because I would, like, I think I'm too funk of an head, Like when you start thinking of the stories that you can go like, oh shit, I think we're gonna be a fucking wa sounds that sounds like a movie to make, sounds like a page turner already, and we're gonna find out how whack I am. But you know what, no one's gonna know, like, and no one would know, like what is your story or more of the character that you're writing, your characters that you're writing about. You can kind of weave them all together. I mean, I could tell a story or listen, that's what That's what I say because I'm like, man, I could write a fiction book off my twenties, but you would like loosely based off the life that I lived before. Oh man, come on. I always tell people when they're like I want to write a book, I'm gonna do it, Like what about the publishing When I'm like, before you get to the publisher, you got to write a book and just start writing, like I literally write all the time, like everywhere. I have fun too, but I love the old school note book, the composition book, and I write my notes. I write on my notes a lot. Yes that come you ever go back and look at and sometimes when you're like I do because I'm big in manifestation and so there are things that I have written that have come to fruition, Like lately things have really come to get So I'm very big on that. Um so I'd like to go back and look at things like that. I always take notes, like before bed, if I'm like, well, this is let's say, like like a guy or something begin to fight, I'll like type the note down and then if I still want to send it the next morning. Copy base usually it's like a delete that one, but even like a voice I do voice. Oh that's good. I would love to just go into Rachel's voice. I will listen to. No, you don't delete actually, oh my god, m so andy. You obviously have a lot going on other than just like moving across the country and getting starting business, start of the country, a new book, like all the things, like besides what we touched on, what else can we see from you? Is there anything else that you want to share with us? Uh? I think that's about it. I'm making the babe cave here. I'm gonna have a bachelor pad for both of you to come crash out. Yeah awesome. No boys on the way, no babies on the way, just business. I guess. Hey that's a baby in itself. Yeah that's my baby, right yeah. Yeah, Like, seriously, you've got enough on your plate. I know. I get to be the father of this one. Yeah, no one. We'll talk back to you. Yeah. I love it, though, but I feel like the next time we'll talk to you have something else going And as you've always said, you don't like to make an announcement and soil like things are already happening, which I love. That's how I am. Like, like when when you know what's going to happen, yeah, then you make the announcement. So I'm sure you've got some other stuff cooking and we'll learn about it soon enough. Before we end, though, we got to ask you, of course, I know, a bachelor's centric question. So it was like waiting at our bachelor's stuff, like back to a happy hours. So you're interesting, You're interesting enough, Yeah, Like we want to talk to you and people want We've we've seriously gotten a lot of dms and questions about you. People want to know what's going on, because she said, like, you're open, but you're also very private about what's going on. So I think, you know, people really are curious as to who is this Andy Dorfman and what's going on in her life. Keep in my profile, that's the way to do it. Um. Okay, So, in anticipation of Claire's season and the Bachelor Greatest Seasons airing that thing, Um, we've done a lot of reflecting on our time on the show. Becca and I have, and we've got an opportunity to talk to some great people in the franchise. But we're curious to know from you. What's the best thing that came out of being on the show and what was the worst. We call this your Rose and your thorn. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's your thorn, was my ex Sure? Sure, yeah, uh my rose. Honestly, I would say just like this life. You know, It's funny every time I have like those moments where I'm like, damn, I'm on the beach in California, like I live here with the you know, it always comes back to The Bachelor. It always comes back to like that being that pivotal moment in my life and just all of the good, like pinch worthy moments, i'd say, or the Rose and that. Do you check yourself? Oh? Sorry, very good. I check myself all the time. Like, for example, you're like, I'm sitting on the beach right now, you know, writing whatever it is that you're doing, just still camp the sun. I'm always like, it's Monday, one twenty five pm. If I had never gone on the show, what would I be doing. I always do that to myself because it puts things in a perspective and it keeps me really mumbling, grounded and grateful for exactly where I am right now. Yeah, I love that I do that, and when people ask me like do you ever regret the show? That question always sparks within me like, hell no, look what I'm doing now, Look who I've met. I mean, I'm sitting here like talking to you people. I always joke like that scene from Titanic, you know, where he's like talking, He's like, well, talking to you all. You think of that scene and I'm like, you know what I'm saying right, like, yeah, I wouldn't be here and doing these things and having these conversations and meeting these people if it weren't for that. So always goes back to that moment. I will say, it's I mean, and I've asked all of the past Batchlottes that we've had on you know, do you wake yourself up like from a nap or in the mornings and pinch yourself and you're like to this day, like, holy crap, I was about Selorette like that, like was a big part of my life and it's led to so many things. I want to say, Andy, like you know because I followed your season and it's so funny that I'm sitting sitting here now talking to you because I remember when you first moved out to New York. You had posted a photo I think of you like drinking a martini and that was what five and a half years ago, I think you said when you had moved out there. And I was sitting with like two or three of my best girlfriends from Minnesota, you know, and this was pretty me being on the show. Like I was just like working in this small pr agency. We were sitting around drinking martini's and we're like, oh my god, like she's we're like her, like we would hang out with her, like she like we want to be friends with her. And the fact now of that, like we're sitting here talking, having this conversation and like, I know, once this podcast airs my girlfriends who in text and be like you and Andie had the podcast, how was she? All the funny things that like, you know, I still like, I so appreciate it and like you can never take anything for granted, because we really like, in a weird way, the show switches your life up so much, but it leads to some really cool, great fun moments like this, yeah, and it's all like how you look at it, like you can look at it like, oh, the show changed my life and like look at all this pressure blah blah, or like you can look at as the show changed my life and look at all the cool shit I get to do now I just choose I get to do now, and all the cool clubs that we can be part of now. Oh yeah boy through YouTube seeing all, I like, I think I live for this too because I can't be out there and I love today like I was a serial dater and I since I I can't do it anymore, It's like, let me, let me just do it vicariously through my friends, let me help them out. Sounds like most of my married friends. Yeah, yeah, Like how can sometimes I do it just for you guys. Sometimes I'll just do the story just are and we appreciate it. Thank you. Andy. This has been so much fun. Definitely worth the way, but like fun, Like I feel like this was also very therapeutic. You know, like we can't just talk batch where we talk live, so we reminiscent like where we've come from and where we're going and sound like we're all going to la. Yeah, we're all gonna be together, so the world together much more. Andy, it has been such a pleasure. I mean, I'm going to text you after this to make oh you great. I love seeing you. How we's seen this. It's awesome, get ready for yoga. How just amazing and wonderful as Andy, I've always loved her, but it's always good catching up with her. I know, like she's she's definitely one of the first bachelorettes that you had introduced themselves to me. And she's somebody that I've always connected with, Like I feel like we have a lot in common and very similar personalities. But I really appreciate hearing your story about how the picture, like to go back and say, I remember her taking this picture, and you remember what you were thinking and how you were with your girlfriends. Like I love stories like that. It's almost like you manifest at that moment and like that's gonna be me. Only you're not just friends with her, you actually became the bachelorette as well and had a journey like she did. I think that's so cool. Yeah, and you know I And that's the thing, like throughout all of these recaps of former seasons, like it brings people together in such a weird way, and we have all these amazing women on that we probably would you know, I would hope that we would have had Andy on at some point, but because she was on one public season and world really connected, it's perfect timing. But I mean, she is killing this life. Yeah, like she has so much going on. She's always had a lot going on, but it sounds like she's really taking time for herself to know, like's what the best move and next steps are for her. And I love that, And I think a lot of women and men out there listening can relate and really like take note and learn and maybe join her running club with us. Absolutely. And one of the things she shared that I also love is people think they see us, they see the finished product. They think we're perfect. They think we don't go through our own issues or have our own struggles. And she shared, listen, when I got into running, I had a reason for it, which we'll learn in her book. But she talks about being in a funk. And I appreciated her being so open because, like she also shared, she's very private and she doesn't let people in and you should, like we should be telling people all of our business. But I appreciate it that she opened up to us and our listeners about that. And it sounds like there's going to be so much more to come with that in her book, and I can't wait. I'm so excited. I just can't wait to see her now that we're all in LA. So yeah, it's going to be good to be close. But yeah, whenever that book, whenever the ending is set and writing, you know it's going to be a good one. But everybody, thank you so much for tuning in today. What a fun episode, and of course we have really fun new episodes coming to you in the weeks to come, with some more surprise guests, so make sure you tune in in the meantime, Please keep writing to us on social you hopefully might now know where to find us, but if not, on Instagram, you can find us at Bachelor Happy Hour and it's at Batch Happy Hour on both Facebook and Twitter. And last, but not least, don't forget to subscribe to our podcasts on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you're listening to us right now. Okay, guys, before we completely end this episode, I did want to take just a couple of minutes to address what's been going on with me and in my relationship over these past couple of months. And although this is very difficult and quite a personal matter for me. I do truly value and care for all of our listeners and the questions and concerns that you've had these past few weeks, and so I just want to go ahead and share with you guys directly what I've been going through. So I want to preface this with I'm sitting in my apartment alone recording this by myself. I didn't think it was fitting to bring anyone else into this conversation when my relationship was only made up of two people, which was obviously myself and Garrett. And I know that there has been so much speculation and curiosity out there regarding where him and I stand. I've seen countless headlines and stories run by news outlets, and you know, countless Instagram posts confirming something that, to be honest, I don't think was anyone else's place or right to do. No one else has the right to confirm this unless it comes directly from the source and from the horse's mouth, which is this moment me. So I don't think it's going to come as a shock to anyone, but Garrett and I have decided to end our engagement. And if you have followed us on Instagram for the past couple of months. You'll have noticed that I spent a lot of time in Minnesota. I was with family and close friends, and he was out on the West Coast doing the same. And we were really just trying to take time and gain some clarity on as to what was the next best step in our lives, whether that was together or as individuals. And after many conversations, we came to this decision. It wasn't something that we just arrived at one night. It wasn't based solely off of one Instagram post or somebody else's opinions or comments. There's much more to it, you know. There's any relationship, there's a lot of layers, and it's not for me to divulge details. It's no one's business other than what I'm telling you right now. But you know, for anyone out there who has gone through a breakup, you know that it's never easy. It's a roller coaster of emotions and you have these ups and these downs, and you just try to take it day by day and to navigate as best you can, which is why it's taken either of us so long to say anything. I think now that we've finally kind of come to terms with it and have been able to sit in this decision for a little bit. You know, we've realized that we still have so much love and kindness and compassionate our hearts for the other person. But sometimes people's paths just go different ways. And you know, we we went on this crazy TV show over two years ago in hopes of finding love, and we were lucky enough that we did. We really truly did, and I'm so grateful for that opportunity and to have had the two plus years with Garrett. Like I said, I still have so much love and compassion in my heart for him. And just because we've arrived at this decision now doesn't take away all of the years and the colorless memories that we've made together. You know, those will always be carried in my heart, and I'll always look back at this time in my life with so much gratitude and love. And it's it's really hard to be sitting here talking with you all today and admitting this a because I don't think anyone is prepped for giving like a public statement for a breakup. It's not normal and it's not something I ever thought i'd be doing. But we also thought that we had a future that would be set in stone. We thought that we'd buy a house together and have a dog, and you know, probably add children to the mix one day. And again, life happens, and people sometimes drift apart and have differences and they go their separate ways. So all I can ask is that you please respect us as humans and our privacy and growth to move on from this and just allow us time as individuals to determine what's best for us and how to navigate this difficult time. You know, I don't quite know how to end this type of conversation other than you know, we do just need some time to heal. But I also want to thank people out there for you know, following our journey and supporting us since the beginning. It really does mean the world. And also to anyone out there going through a difficult time or a breakup, just know that you're not alone. All are emmy if you need to talk or vent, because I'm here for you. Twenty twenty has been a hell of a year. But you know, I'm not the only one who's had to deal with this. I'm not the only one who will ever have to deal with this, and so it's important now more than ever to lean on each other and just to give out a little bit more kindness and grace to others out there, because we could all use it with everything going on. So I'm going to leave it at that. Thank you for listening to me ramble the past couple of minutes. But now I just hope that from here on out the rumors can be put to bed and that Garrett and I can now move on into the next chapter of our lives that's hopefully fingers crossed the best the best ones yet. I don't know you know, but thank you.