Bachelorette Michelle Young Is Here!

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Speaker 1: What is a Bachelor? Happy Hour listeners, We had another episode for Michelle's season in the books, and it's one that we're going to be getting into with the Woman of Herself today. But I have my girl Tasia back with me. Thanks for joining again, Tasia. Absolutely hello, Happy Hour listeners. I am so excited to be back and give you all a little tea and inside scoop about this season. But you're right, I am so freaking excited. We have the woman of the hour. Our special guest today is a bachelor at Michelle Herself joining us, and I cannot wait to pick her brain about everything that's been going down. Oh my gosh, same, I've missed this one. I cannot wait to have her on. I know usually each week we do a quick little recap or we give our highlights, you know, of what really stood out to us. But I figured this week, why do we even need to do that when we have Michelle on, Like, we can pack her brain on everything that we saw about down last night. I do have some questions about premier or night Night one that I know she's probably sick of talking about by now, but we just need to get into it with her because well, you both have all the behind the scenes you lived in. Michelle definitely was in the thick of things. So I think we should just get straight into our interview with her, because I know all of our listeners are just dying to hear from her right now. Yeah, I mean, let's bring her on. We got Minnesota in the house. Michelle, the woman of the hour of this season, my Midwest girl. I'm so excited to have you here. Welcome to baut your happy hour. Thank you, Thank you for having me. It's so nice to be back on for anyone who can't see you, because obviously this is a podcast and we're all listening. Michelle is glowing. Michelle, you look absolutely stunning. We need to just tell you how good you looked in these first couple episodes. It's incredible, incredible, Thank you, And like we've Tachion, I have obviously met you in person, we've hung out a few times now, and you're just as radiant in real life. But I have to say, the confidence and the kindness that we have just seen from these first couple episodes just radiant through the TV screen. I'm so glad that you are our Bachelor Edge. How have you been now that it's finally airing and the world gets to see the beginnings of your journey. I don't know if I'm excited. I don't know if I'm more nervous. I think you call of it. Love to ask you too how you both felt in this position. But you know, Tasian, I have talked a lot about when is it kicking in? Like when does it kick in that you're the Bachelor? And you have these moments where you truly feel that you are the bachelorette and all of this just happened, and then I've you know, kind of been sitting with it a little bit and then back to normal life and now the whole world gets to follow along. So I'm super soaked and yeah, I'm ready to go. I have to tell you, I don't think it ever hits. I still have moments we're all wake up from a nap and I'll be like, what actually happened to my life Alee years ago? Like it still doesn't seem real. I want to ask you really quick, because you just mentioned you know, obviously it's an adjustment, and you did go from filming your season, which is a whirlwind in itself, but then you went back to Minnesota and back to teaching, and now you're immersed back in this world. Now that it's airing, What has that been like? I can only imagine how much of a roller coaster. It's fun. I mean, lesson planning in the hair and makeup chair before you know, on your way to this premier brunch. It's just it's this total double life. I feel like that I'm living right now, and it's busy, it's hectic. I'm definitely tired. But I will say that being back in the classroom has made me feel so much like myself. And it's nice because, as you both know that, like this world, it can get kind of overwhelming at times, it can get a lot and sometimes you just need to be able to put it down. And I feel like being in the classroom, being with my students. When I'm there, I'm truly miss young, and I'm able to have like that old piece of my routine and my old life with me still, and so it kind of keeps me a balance in a way, even though I'm insanely busy. I can attest to that. I remember the night before You're a Bachelor brunch, I texted you and you're like, oh, I'm just working. I'm like, yeah, Bachelor, it's a lot of work. You're like, no, I'm doing lesson plans and you know it's like DM, I'm like, oh my god, you really do it all. But I have to say, I really think that diving right back into teaching and like going in back into that world might truly be the best thing for you. I think that it keeps you not that you need to be grounded, but like I think it just really keeps you grounded and doesn't let you get so caught up in everything that's going on, because people are going to have so many opinions and you're gonna have so much coming your way. But this kind of allows you to kind of like shut it off. You can't be on your phone. You're kids that you know matter the most to you, and it kind of just allows you just to like again keep a piece of yourself. And I think that that's actually genius. So yeah, it's a nice I mean, it was definitely how about your system kind of thing. When you do it in you film, you fly home and then you're back in a classroom. But it's my kids definitely keep me humble that's good well, And I don't think for most of our listeners and viewers of the show, I don't think people realize how crazy life gets, you know, when you're in the limbo phase between when you actually filmed and when it airs, like, you know, assuming all goes according to plan and you end up with somebody. I remember the days, like every week and a half, I'd be whisked back to California for a happy couple time with my partner. You're so all over the place doing press. It's not just like you have this downtime like these couple months, Like you're back and forth on a plane constantly. So it's got to be a whirlwind. And I'm sure it's gotta be tough for the students too. What is the weirdest thing that one of your kids has asked you so far since everything has gone down? Oh my god, I'm dying to know this. I feel like this group this year, they truly know me as miss young. I mean, coming into the classroom, they know that I was gone that first week of school because I was doing some filming. But as far as details about everything, that's pretty much all they know, which is nice. Now after night will that change Potentially when I go back to the classroom next week, might it look a little different, feel different? Good? But I definitely make sure to set that line between Miss Young and Michelle and make sure that everything's focused around learning and honestly, the kids this year, the biggest thing that they ask is like, just just tell us, just tell us, like are you with somebody? Are you not with somebody? Won't tell anybody, we won't tell anybody. I'm like, yeah, okay, you like you're cute, but no, I know, yeah, I know. Do you know. One of the kids's moms is like, go ask Miss Young, like get the details. We won't tell yeah, Or I'll even say like I'll tell you at the end of December, like when the finale is already you know previous Yes, Like she's gonna give it of December. And I'm like, little do they know that's like the last episode. Like I love that. I'm not gonna lie. I loved seeing them on this episode and we have so much to talk about that. But I just also love they really keep it real with you, um and I feel like they they made you feel kind of comfortable and like brings it back home in a way. But um so we know we can speak from experience that nothing could truly prepare you for the role of being the bachelorette. But I'm actually curious to know what are some of the important conversations and qualities you were looking for that were important for you to convey as a bachelor at I think the biggest one that I wanted to set the tone was set the tone with was just authenticity and really making sure that these men coming in stayed true to who they were. And that's hard at times when sometimes you're still figuring out who you are and where you stand. And that's okay, And you know, I personally believe that I'm always on this personal growth journey and always will be, but you do. You have to know who you are, I think, in order to be in a relationship and a healthy relationship at times, and you know that tantem can kind of obviously move a little bit, but in this world, you can really lose who you are easily, and you can get lost with that. And so knowing who you are being genuine and then being humble because you comment as this normal person and you leave and then the world around you starts to change. And I think it takes somebody who can really stay grounded, has a good head on their shoulders, doesn't care about the spotlight, you know, because it's like you could but like my biggest worry was I could fall in love with somebody and who they are, and you know, after this and after the same kind of strikes and the spotlight strikes, are they still going to be that humble person? You know? And that's like that biggest thing, because it is a huge change that takes place. Oh, spoken like a true Midwesterner. I I love that right now, with that happened, we got to come back to Minnesota with us. But I love that you said that because that's actually when I was leaving to go on The Bachelor, you know, years ago. That was the one thing my mom said when she sent me off was stay kind and stay humble, And I think was so apparent. We saw it with you in you know, taking it back to your premiere and when you did the hometown package with your parents, when you sat down and just you know, had the barbecue and caught up with them and and they just showed such a great portrayal of, you know, a very positive relationship that you were lucky enough to grow up with. But you just I think any of you or felt that love that your parents had for one another for you and you back with them. It was it was really beautiful to watch. But I'm sitting there, I'm like, it seemed like my people like And that's one thing too, that just knowing you and having conversations with you, you know, and for all of our listeners who don't truly know you and have spent time with you, like you have stayed the same since I would say day one, since we first sat down, And that's what I think is such a beautiful thing. And I love that you drove that home with the men because you know, now speaking from experience and TATIONA, I'm sure you've experienced this as well with some of your guys from the season. As you you you kind of get to know these guys in one way, right, you have up to two months of no distractions with them, no phones, no TVs, nothing, But then they get out in the real world after the show and you kind of see fame go to some of their heads and they blow up. And not that people shouldn't soak in the opportunities because everyone definitely should, but but it definitely can change some people. And so I love that you win in night one, and I think the first speech with all the men fresh out the gate, you know, drove that home, which I think just set the tone for hopefully the entire season. Let's get back to just the premiere. I know you've been talking about it like crazy. We really want to get into what we saw go down last night. But just going back to the Limo entrances and you standing there and the nerves, coming back to what was one of your either I would say favorite Limo entrances or just one where you met a man and he just made you feel calm, where you're like, I can do this, this is going to work. I think one of my favorites was Rick coming in on that service flatter. His head was on this tray of lettuce with this silver top to it, and it just got me in a moment where I just genuinely laughed. And I feel like that first night, I feel like I laughed a lot, but with this, it had me laughing, It had me scared, It got the adrenaline going again. If I but I needed any more adrenaline. But and it showed dedication and commitment. I mean, I don't think I would put myself in a table for however long, let alone the first time meeting somebody. But when it comes on to my favorite entrance, hands down, it's Rick and clearly hit off Michelle. He was committed to that. How long do you think he was on that table for? Can you imagine how uncomfortable he was? Absolutely drink. Did anyone feed him drinks? I hope so. I hope someone checked on him. I hope they allowed him to use the restaurant if he needed to. I don't know how long he was in there, but I do know that it was hours, because he came in and when by the time I gave my toast, he was still in the table. By the time I sat down and they rolled him in to talk to me, he was still in the table. And that hours later, that night long he had to whole. If he had to go to the bathroom, he would have had to help hold it for a long Can you imagine someone He hadn't to tell someone to wheel him out in order for him to go the bathroom. Y, I gotta go. Can you take me out of here? Oh my god, I'm telling you, though, I have to agree with you. The commitment on that was he definitely gets a gold star for his entrance. I hadn't seen anything like that before exactly. It was so unique. It really was. We're Rik fans over here. Yes, Okay, Okay, so last night we saw you go on three dates. By the way, we're going back to like the second episode. Now, Okay, thank You've been doing Night one this whole time, and so I just want to I just want to like make your mind ready. Okay, So last night we saw you go on three dates. Which day activity wise was your favorite because you did rock climbing, you did the classroom, and then basketball. Oh yeah, then basketball. I would say basketball was my favorite, just because in your element, I know I am, but like being there in that element, you can also see a competitive side. Yeah, and I'm a really competitive person. But also when I lose, I'm not a sore loser. Like I put effort in, I give it my all. But if I lose, I'm not like salty. I'm not a sore loser. And so seeing the guys in this environment where they get to tap into that competitive side, I get to see that. But then you know, if it doesn't go how you plan, how do you handle yourself? Like are you in a I mean, I've been in relationship where we both were very competitive and if I won and the other person lost, like yeah, I don't want I don't want that line. So yeah, so it was nice to Gott to see that. And I think they were really nervous though, because I knew that I've had a long history at basketball, and so I think they were really just self conscious of I don't know, the bested their level of skill. I would have been so intimidated. Not only are they trying to wow you and stand out and date America's most eligible bachelrette, but like you can hoop, you're freaking good. Like It's not like if I would have not on that date, I would have zero intimidation because I'm the most inathletic person ever, but like you are actually so incredible with the balls and on the court and everything. I was just like, dam I'm gonna turned on, like watching Michelle right now. But but who obviously we see you gave Joe the MVP that day, who else like really stuck out to not even him like skill wise, but just somebody who handled the entire day very well. Um, okay, part Deep, part Deep has metatious, nothing has my heart and I feel like you can't agree on this. He was just so excited. He was just so excited to be here. He knew that all these other guys might be more athletics than him, but he knew that he had the smarts and just put the effort in. And there's just so much sincerity with him that anytime I was watching him, I was smiling and so him. Who else I'm trying to think of. I remember when party like made this like incredible shot. He had been shooting all day and he hadn't made anything. He made an incredible shot and we all lost it. We all screams like in the stands. And it was by the time the guys were playing five on five. The winners got to go to the after party, the losers had to literally go home. And it's the first week and like so many of these guys, I still haven't had conversations with ya and her. Deep made the first shot for his team and literally the stands when I say, everybody in a while, and yeah, it was. It was so fun. It was amazing. I kind of think who else I killed it that day? Who else? Start? It looked really good. Martin was sleek good. I didn't realize how good he was, very like what was we call like shifty? Like he was quick and agile um nate six eight nate super close to the basket, couldn't put ball in the basket. To say, it was like, I don't know how you can get that close to the basket and missed up. Really so I guess that could be another level of challenge, but uh, but yeah it was. It was a good day. And I mean the guys got to shoot their shot and some of them did and some of them did with some of them are bald literally and figuratively. Okay, wait, so I have a question for you how scary it was rock climbing because I have never professionally done that before. But you look at the pro and honestly, Jamie was really helping you, which I really appreciated that, and I feel like, okay, well, that's a really good skill set for a man, is to actually be able to speak like in a loving way and try to be like Okay, I've tried this one, and try this one, and you got the hang of it and you felt really comfortable. So how fun was rock climbing? It looked incredibly scary. Did I look comfortable out there? You kind of like, well you're athletics. How hard you try? But you also just gave it your all because you would you you'd be like at times you would say like, okay, but where do I put my float or my hand or where do I grab? And then you would just do it, even if you were nervous, you would just do it and be like, oh, that's actually it's right there, I can grab. I got this. Like you were just like balls to the walls, ready to do whatever, even if it scared you. It was one of those things like looking off on it in the distance, like the actual rock formation, it looks tall, and then you walk up to it and you're like, oh my god, like I was supposed to climb that. You're supposed to like trust this rope, you're supposed to trust this person who was blaying you, and all these different things. But I mean, Jamie was he was really good at like talking me through things. Once you get up close to the wall and you're actually rock climbing and someone's telling you okay, well, like the rocks right there. It is very hard to find. It's like the camouflage, and so I was like, I'm just gonna trust you reach it was it was like this huge trust but like relationship bonding moment that Yeah, it was. It was special. You both balance each other well on that and like bill to each other up and helped each other when you needed tom. I thought that was really special. I think I would have probably been like before I, before I got strapped in, I would have been like, can I take out some life insurance real quick? I don't know if I, you know, just met this guy last night. I don't know if I trust in fully? Yeah, I mean the room, Like, why did I know like liability way so quick? Did I really did I read the fine point? I'm not sure? Okay, going back to the very first state of the week, you had quite a variety of dates. Do you feel though, like what really set the tone was that first date with the kids in the classroom and the men. Did you feel like that just comforted you in a way where sometimes you just need a specific date at a certain time and to really, just like I said, set the tone for really this entire season to come and to just have both of your worlds collide. How did that feel, know, when you were able to bring some of the men into your world. I think you bring up a really good point. It was so comforting because you are outside your comfort zone a little bit, a little bit, you're it's uncomfortable, right, and like the cameras there, you're still kind of getting used to this, getting your bachelorette legs underneath you, like your group date legs. It's a weird concept. But being able to be in the classroom, it's like it's like this default mode that I feel like I have and I understand, and so put me in any classroom, whether it's in Minnesota and it's my classroom, whether it's a different classroom, and I kind of feel like I'm at home a little bit. And was able to kind of jump in the groove there and then basketball as well, and so I felt like that first week with dates, it was just really encompassed who I was. It gave the guys a really good look at who I was, and it was a good start and it also kind of put the guys in their place. I mean, oh yeah, those kids were on it. She's like leave her alone when when who kep calling you? What was his name? We're goings? Bring your name Peter? All did I feel like they are Peter? He's like, She's like leave, Rollo got you? Yep? Yeah, no they in the back did? They really did? And they were so smart? Um was there anyone that surprised you? Good and bad? I guess like who kind of? Yeah? Romeo, I don't know if Romeo got a question wrong? Romeo hit everything. I mean, he's a mathematician, right, he's a he's a smart man. Yeah, he's a very smart man. Casey Casey as well, like Casey's has an extensive vocabulary. Um L team and me laugh. I don't know if he's ever failed to make me laugh. Going back to Peter on that date and the whole who wasn't the beef between him and it was Will correct who called him the narcissistant rown. Okay, I have to say, first of all, right, before Will and all the other guys turned their boards around, I said, somebody needs to write Peter's name. But what did you feel in that moment? Because obviously we go into the night portion, things got very heated. It blew all between the two of them. But did you think it was that big of a deal. At the time when Will wrote Peter's name, I was so hard as I don't know, like I and I still didn't know their relationship up until that point. But also we're just getting started, and I felt like everyone was fairly playful with each other. I mean, they their guys. They call each other out, but they laugh, and that one hit home for Peter and that's kind of why there was that reaction, and then it just continued to snowball into this, like into that evening. But at that time I didn't really see too much by it. Although I feel like Mia, one of the kids by me, like she like looked at me. I was like, didn't that. So the kids picked up on it right right, it was interesting. I felt like, yeah, as a viewer or you know, it was lighthearted again, like it's kind of a competition. You want to still make your name and stand out in a way. And I really didn't think it was that big of a deal. So when I saw them yelling at each other as you were trying to have a nice conversation with another man and you can hear them yelling behind you, I'm like, you guys, it's too early for this. This is just the first date. Come on, people, so sunny. I was like looking around, like who is talking? It was like, oh my god, wait, are those that guys in the background. I literally did not know that was so loud. I didn't know either, though. It took me. It really did take me a minute because it was the first it was literally the first group date. Yeah, and I'm sitting there talking to Olu and I do hear it, but I also felt like it was a really loud group of guys and they would like banter back and forth. They would laugh with each other. They six times, and so that felt like that was going on. And then I saw it in OHL's eyes where he was like, oh and hearing it. I'm like that yelling and he's like, yeah, it is so old coming in conversation. Already knew that there was beef between Willie Beaterer. Yeah, got it, got it. It's always like kind of I remember being back in that position where you can hear the guys and you know, sometimes tensions are high, but like when you actually hear the fighting or you hear from the other guys what's going on. I just remember laughing, being like, is this what we're fighting? What is this the drama right now? But it's always fun to get like the snippets from other people and then to see it all unfold on TV, it seems way more. You're extreme and heightened. Okay, I'm totally going off tangent here, but I need to ask you. I need to go back to Night one and all of this Ryan stuff when Tasia and Caitlin confront of you, because Michelle, first of all, I'm so glad that you just seleb rate through the BS and sent him home. I have to say I knew Ryan beforehand, and so for him to be like, oh, I have no idea what the Bachelor world. He was our bachelor for Bachelor Live on stage about a year and alow two years ago, and he was like he knew a lot about the show. He had like all this knowledge bank about everything, was like very invested, and so when he was trying to lie to you, I'm literally yelling through my screen of like that's oh shit, don't lie to her mind. Okay. I just talked to Ben Hans about this and he mentioned that he was on your show when you guys were doing that like traveling me and I was like, oh, interesting and whatever, But for whatever reason, I didn't put it together that that whole piece added on top of it was when he was talking about being a part of the Bachelor world and how he had no idea because wow, yeah, so that's just the whole add it like again, like you put all these pieces together. There was just so much drama with that where I'm like, this is not this is not how you want to start a relationship, right it was. It was just so much information and even honestly, even the papers aside, even like the information that I had found aside. When I go back and have watched it, it's like in a conversation, I felt like he contradicted himself so many times that that complication standing by itself, it's like, you're not a bad person. I'm not sure where this is coming from, the dishonesty, but it's not where I'm putting my energy. Nope. I mean, honestly, let's just call it as it is. He's a bad apple, and honey, we're only looking for the good apples. So speaking of apples, okay, can we talk about Rodney's apple taste test because I'm not can you what? I was laughing so hard. This man is hilarious, but I need to know he really mixed up the Granny Smith in the Fuji apple. Yes, this man doesn't apples. Yes, this man does not know his apples. I mean the fact that he called himself Granny Smith right off the bat. I'm like, is this a red flag? Is it not? Bit into a green apple? And he didn't well going into that apple taste testing. I swear if he bit into a red apple, he identified it as some type of green apple yellow delicious, and then vice versa, like when he bit into the Red Delicious, like, oh, that's a Granny Smith. I'm like that could not be farther from the truth. And then it just completely finished it out perfectly when I sat him a piece of pizza and he was like lasagna and I'm like, it has no idea. I like Rodney. We actually had Nate on last week's podcasts and he had nothing but great fun stories about Rodney. So I will say I'm excited to see more of him. His taste buds might be off, but he is entertainment for us viewers and I'm here for it. Absolutely. Let's get into the end of the episode, because that's where most of the drama was, right and you know, we saw since the beginning you have like this this weird history with the dms with Joe. You know, it's kind of that lingering storyline and obviously now fed into your first week of dates and into your first cocktail party. What were you going through that night of the row ceremony, you know, hearing what was going on, hearing what Jamie brought to your attention, and ultimately deciding to cancel that cocktail party, Like talk us through that night in your mind, coming and taking the role as like the bachelor atte Like, you know there's going to be drama. You know that there's going to be highs, you know that there's gonna be lows and all these different things. But I think one thing that I really talked to Taship, I was just like, there's these moments where I'm like, I have no idea who would trust And that was definitely that moment where when Jamie sat down and spoke to me about what he was hearing and his perspective of things, it kind of launched everything in the air, and not so much where I turned around, and I was upset where like, who's questioning me? I mean, I guess a little bit, but like all these different I just didn't know what to think. I didn't know what to believe. I was upset that my character was even being question because I was like, what do you say? I feel like I'm a good birth and I feel like that's shown, like why are we questioning my character like this? But also just not knowing who believes in you? And I've been in relationships where I've my partner didn't believe in me, and that was really difficult. And so you're trying to stay vulner when you're trying to stay open and there's all these different layers that you're trying to like navigate and figure out who believes in me. I just met all these guys. I don't know who believes in me. I don't know who's telling me the truth. And so it's a hard moment where you actually feel kind of lonely. Yeah. I remember talking to outside and you don't really see our conversation at all, but I just remember, like that really upsetting you and you feeling like, look, I'm doing everything that I'm supposed to be doing. Like my walls are down. I'm being as vulnerable as I possibly can. I'm being as honest as I can. Like him and I had exchange dms, but that was the extent of us ever being involved with each other. And I just remember you feeling like I don't know who to trust and that's a very scary place for me to be in. And it broke my heart hearing you, like even in your interview and talking to the guys, just saying like I really want to put those walls back up right now, and it's the very beginning of your journey, and for someone just to kind of create this storyline, it just really frustrated me just to watch you go through that. But I think you handle it so well and I'm happy that hopefully you watching it back, you can kind of understand that it was literally just Jamie and not really the rest of the guys. Like you guys were like, I'm sorry, it is what just happened. Like I know, when I was watching it back, I'm like, okay, Like you know, I mean, okay, I got it. I wasn't so off, but it definitely is. It's like, I'm not a person who reacts to a lot or even is did buy a lot of drama. But I think the one thing that really got to me was the questioning of character. I think that I think could have gotten to me like it would be that and so it wasn't like this thing of like I'm quitting, I'm done. I was like whoa where? Like where do I even go from here? It's like me physically feeling like I'm like shoving these walls back down because I didn't want to talk to anybody. I you know, well and correct me if I'm wrong. But I feel like just from watching it, because to add at quotation said, I think you handled that situation very maturely. You went to the group of men, you had them all sit down, you addressed it. You kind of gave the context of you know, look my characters being questioned. Right now, here's the minimal history that Joe and I had, you know, between a couple dms. That's really not that big of a deal. But I think the part that got me, and if I was in your position, I would have been frustrated with, is the fact that you then opened it up for questions and opened it up for this dialogue for any of these twenty five or however many you had at the time, men to ask you about it, to talk to each other about it, and they just all shut down and no one even you know, it was crickets. And so for you to be that vulnerable, to be like, this isn't an easy position to be in. I probably don't want to be addressed in this right now. But here you go, like, let's open up the floor and no one said a damn thing, and you're I could totally see why you're just like, okay, did I'm out of here right now? Like I would have totally reacted the same way. I would have probably won the canceled the cocktail party, because at that point, it's like you had the opportunity to talk to me or to each other and you chose not to. So like, why are we going to keep this going any longer if we don't have to? Was it? Two part questions? So for you, what was that like in your head? And what were you going through when you did open the floor up and no one said anything? And then to now watch it back and kind of see how you know, Jamie confronted you and he had no problem bringing that to your attention. But then totally shut down and took no accountability in front of the men for what he did. It was a confusing moment, and watching it back, I can see why I was confused, because they were like truly two different storylines that were going on. And so in that moment when I'm asking, you know it was? It was? It was brought to my attention in this very pointing manner that it needs to be addressed, that it's taking off his life of its own. And That's how it made me feel. And so I'm an open person, and so I'm like, let's talk about it, because I even though I was upset and my character was getting question, I'm like, let me make you guys feel better, so that you know that you didn't come here for somebody who wasn't genuine. Like my first thought was the guys, like, please know that this is not true. I'm a genuine person. But then when I, like, you said back, like when I opened it up, and that first time I did open it up, like there were crickets and I'm like, okay, Like if we're talking at the house then and we're saying these things and we should be able to talk about it. But after that moment, you know, I responded how I responded. Nobody said much at all. There was very much a lack of response, and then you know, moving forward, watching it back, it's like they all were talking to each other like I'm really confused, like who said this, which is understandable, But then they could have also did that right there, and then you know, like me, I guess I would have said I would have appreciated it if they would have been like, okay, like what are we talking about? And then I'm like cool, like yeah, let's have a round table discussion about it. Does any part of you a very good point? That's a very good point now watching it back, and obviously hindsight is always twenty twenty. Do you wish at that moment when you did it, open it up and leave it, you know, open and in discussion and let them ask you questions. Do you wish you would have brought up Jamie, like you know, Jamie, you came to me, you were very open about having this conversation. You made it seem like multiple men in the house we're talking about this, like what's going on? Do you wish that just would have like cakes started that entire conversation more because we have to see it ended now where all of the men are still very confused, and it seems like they're going to be confused Quinn into next week now. It's it's so hard when you're in like the seat where like someone is bringing something and confiding in you and tell you a piece of information. It's like, yes, we are all the adults and we should be able to talk about it. But at the moment when it was brought to my attention, it came off very tasteful, and I guess I wanted to keep that confidentiality on my part, whereas if Jamie would have been like, hey, yeah, we did talk about this and this is what I'm referring to. It was hard to jump in that way right away, Like the first person who tells you something, it's like, we have this discussion and I'm like, boom, tell me what you said, tell everybody what you can try out into the Wolves. I was trying to like navigate that, and I think like as the season goes on, I get better at doing that and being very honest. But I was definitely trying to figure that part of the roll out still. I mean, I definitely feel okay. So number one, we could always say like I wish I would have done this, but when you're in that situation, it's so hard to navigate those waters. But also almost feel like it was an abuse of power on his end, like he had made his way into your heart, he had the first one on one, he had this vulnerability with you. You guys had created a like established a connection to where you can open up. And you're right, he did come to you in a very like quote unquote tasteful way, Like it wasn't like this like you need to go talk to this guy, and like it was like, hey, I just need to know I've walked into and this is the line that kills me. I've walked into several conversations you know this week about like what's going on between blah blah. And so he really made it to make it was an issue amongst all of the men. And then and I could see how like when you do address the guys, you do kind of you know, honor him and kind of keep that private to yourself because you have that rapport with him, you have that established connection. And it's just really sad that he kind of abused that. But I guess that just yeah, you're completely right. It was like this level of connection, the types of conversations we had on our first one on one we're really just vulnerable, intense conversations. And he was so honest and open about everything that he's been through, and he's been through a lot, and I hearing his words and then my perspective of things as I mean, he could he could visibly see me hurting when he was telling you that my character is being questioned, and then to go back and say, like she Na, we've engaged something here, like we're not on the same page anyway, especially when he knew he lied. That's not cool. It was my opinion. Yeah, and it's and I've said this for you know, any episode, any season. There's so much more that none of us are pretty too. You know. Now now is when you're listening to all of the interviews back and you're seeing the private conversations between the men back like this is the first time for you too, And so I'm sure you know because you're viewing it alongside up, like it's stirring up different emotions as you go along. I obviously I have no idea what happens next week. I hope that at some point he apologizes for that because it put you in such a difficult situation where ultimately you did end up canceling the cocktail party going into that row ceremony. Then after you finished the night early, did you just like, how were you feeling just unsettled? Obviously you mentioned like the guards were close to coming up again, Like what were you feeling in those moments at that night? I was just feeling exhausted, honestly, And yes, I mean I am a person who pushes their exhaustion and like I always want to be there for other people, give everything that I have, and in that moment, I was like, I've nothing less in the tank right now. Within the conversations, I wanted to be present, but all the conversations you know, would soon start to right and become about this topic that I tried to open the panel up too, and we didn't talk about really much at all, and so um so with that, going into it, I went off of where my heart was at and which people I felt like believed in me from our conversations, um, which people I felt like I had a connection with, and then you know, using that to make my decisions, and that doesn't mean that every man who went home that week is somebody who was questioning my character. But you know it just played into the level of connections and my comfort. Listen, we get it, two best us. Those Sometimes those nights are hard where you're still there's still a lot of people that you don't really know, and you just have to go off that gut instinct. Yes, m m. Well, let's look, let's let's talk about what we're going to be looking forward to in episode three. There's a lot to come. What's coming can we expect? I mean, Michelle Young gets her bachelorette legs underneath there. Yeah, yeah, and you know, I really start to become more honest with what I am needing from these guys. And group dates are definitely a heavy task. They're uncomfortable, but when you're trying to get engaged at the end of this, like, they have to be productive and so you're going to kind of see me battle back and forth with that and kind of just figure out what I need, what I'm getting, what I'm not getting, And drama always the drama. Well, I did want to ask is earlier when you were answering one of the questions. You said you were still trying to find your Batchelrette footing, which I totally get. I think any of us can attest to that. Like the first couple of weeks is fun and nerve racking and the anticipation of what's to come, like that's all so much. But when did you feel like you fully like found your footing where you're like, Okay, I got this, I have the hang of things now, like I'm finding my voice, I'm finding my way. I honestly felt really good during cocktail parties, during after parties, during one on ones. It was a group dates that was the real stinger for me because just past experiences and other emotions that come from that kind of started to bubble to the surface a little bit with just how group dates were going, and it took me a minute to find my footing. I don't know if it was my footing to find basically, going into that first week on group dates, the guys really struggled to make connections during a group date, and I really brought to the light that I I wasn't wanting attention. I was wanting them to go out of their way and like have a conversation with me because I felt like I was seeking the men out and having conversations and trying to get to know them, but when I didn't go over to them to start the conversation, they were hanging out with each other and wouldn't come over and talk to me. Whether that's they were nervous, they weren't trying to figure out, like they weren't able to you know, they were they were yes, and it was yeah, And I think that was like the hardest thing where I'm like, I need to see that you want to continue to get to know me during these group dates, Like you can't just think on the after party time. That's not how this works because group dates, like you spend a lot of time in group dates. That's precious time. And I kind of had asked for that, asked for that, asked for that, and it wasn't being reciprocated. And then there's definitely a moment where it just kind of hits me and yeah, it's it's tough stuff. Group dates are really tough to juggle, and it's for the guys but also for you. And like you're saying, like I feel like they your dates are really fun because there's like a lot going on, and the guys can kind of be silly, but then there's like romance almost happens and you're like, Okay, that's all fun in games. But like you, I think and I think you were kind of experiencing that a little bit. And like the guys, whether it be let's just say, they were a little intimated or like they didn't know what they could go, like come up to you and just like have a conversation, like they need to make the most of every single moment they have as opposed to like you were saying, just the cocktail parties at night, and you were kind of experiencing that back to back to back, and it was kind of like, okay, so do you really want to try or do you need to constantly have me come up to you? And I think that that's something that was really frustrating because also what female, what woman wants to vocalize that, you know, like, Hi, I'm still over here by myself, you all are romancing over there. It's just it was I think it was really frustrating for you. It was really hard. But I'm glad you spoke up because I think it changed after that. Yeah, definitely, definitely it. Did you ever feel like, because you know, and this is something I struggled with just in my time a couple years ago, Tation, maybe you felt this at some point, I'm not sure, But because you are the bout shurette and you were announced pretty early, like back in March, so all of the men coming onto the season knew you were going to be the bout shirrette, so they of course could do their homework and research and get to know you when your interests. Obviously we saw Ryan do that night one, but I'm sure he wasn't the only guy to kind of google you or look you up or creep on your Instagram, whatever it might be. But did you ever feel like because of that that the guys weren't necessarily asking you the right direct questions to get to know you. Did you feel like they already just kind of assumed they knew you and they were having you do the heavy lift you did in the work to ask them everything. I think. I think the first night was more where the guys were sharing so much about themselves and really wanted to make that connection just because you almost have to. It's like speed dating in a way. It's like this is what I have to offer. I only have a few minutes with you, and I know you're gonna make it into the decisions like this is where my mind's at, and like I totally get that. I will say that I did feel like my guys truly wanted to know who I was. And they knew that I was a teacher, and they knew that I played sports in those things and they loved those things about me. But they did during after parties and during cocktail parties and one on one days, I feel like they really did want to go pass that level and they really wanted to know who I was as a person, and I felt like they were able to do the heavy lifting during those parts. I just wanted more of that during the group date as well, you know, not so much like we are now doing to handle it like well, dribbling and that's all you're thinking about, that's all you're doing. It's just, yeah, you want to interact a little bit, you know exactly, and you want to feel pursued. You are about cheurette, to be honest, and yeah, it's it's it's tough when the men, of course they live together, they spend much more time, especially upfront, with each other than they do with you, and so maybe it was just more of a comfort thing. I mean, I'm excited to see it all unfold and to see you put these men in their place, Michelle. Eventually it's gonna be so good. Impatient for a certain amount of time, and then you know, and then I'm not patient, and then I'm done geting cretient. So of this season with no spoilers, because we've only seen two episodes and we still have a lot more to con what so far has been your rose and your thorn. My rose would definitely be the effort that was put in tonight one, with all of the different ways that these men showed up and showed their personality, and my thorn would be having to cancel the cocktail party because my character is a question. Yeah, I think I'd have to agree with you. You're into that kind of thing. Not all right, Michelle. I mean, I feel like I miss you. I could keep talking to you for hours, but you are a very busy woman these days. So before we let you go, we love to play games with all of our guests. So we're gonna play a little game called this or that bob Shret's only game. So basically, we're going to ask you a situation that only us, as bob Shrets, we probably know how to handle. So this is gonna be interesting because it's gonna just be rapid fires. So we'll give you this or that, just you know, whatever you're feeling in the moment, just say, and it'll be interesting to see how it would line up with how tatian I would answer. So I'll just kick it up. So this or that? Would you rather send someone home at a row ceremony or on a one on one date row ceremony? Oh everyone on the first night, or have a few meaningful kisses, meaningful kusses, break up with someone or be broken up with broken up with you. I'll take the fall the time of the season too. I'm like I'm sweating, I'm already. Okay, let's see watch fireworks or a surprise concert, surprise concert, head on the platter or no pants? Um? Would you rather take your men on a physical date or a date where they have to perform? Physical date? Perform how so like like put on an act, sing a song silly, you know, like really put them out there. Okay, actually perform I'm changing my answer. Okay, two different light all right, Apta and Caitlin on a group date or at the Rose ceremony group date. You need your girls, let's go We're an extravagant dress or something more simple. Simple share something personal with a guy, or have them share something personal with you, Have them share something personal with me. I love that. Give a guy the group date Rose or the Frost. Give a guy a group date Rose or the first Rose at the ceremony group date Rose. Yeah. Yeah, but honestly, people us until like whose name is called first at the roast ceremony by the way, Like it's like a thing too. I mean, don't you remember. Oh I never realized until people started calling it out. And but you can kind of tell Michelle. I can so tell who you're into already. And I don't know spoilers or anything. It is so apparent to me, finals like, oh, she is into this guy or she is not into this one. I think it changes though. I think she does a really good job. But yeah, I do. I open up and it's like yes, at the beginning, like that initial attraction, but there are definitely multiple men who surprised me. And I'm like din out, where where did you come from? Your credit? You're really good about being very attentive to each and every conversation, like and I get it. I remember like there were nights square because they go so late, they're so long, there's so many conversations. You're trying to remember information for each man man, and it's it's really hard to compartmentalize at times. But you are very good about being so alert, attentive, kind to each and every man and every every conversation that you're having so far. And I mean, maybe it's just because you're incredible human because you're a teacher and you have to already deal with thirty plus students. I don't know, but you are. You're crushed it so far at dispatchword thing. You really are. Yeah. I feel like there's nothing worse so than like being in a conversation with someone and them not like not feeling like they're listening or in that conversation. Yeah, I mean there were definitely times where I feel like I accidentally like flip flop things, you know, and I'm like, oh, I can remember that, Yeah, that's the other one, that's the other moving on. I've been there, done that's not a good look. Did you ever forget? Did you ever forget anyone's name? I didn't get On the first night, Spencer walked in and I called him a different name, and I'm like, names are so important, like and I said it confidently, like I don't know whose name he said. But they walked in and I was like, yes, I was like, nice to meet you. He's like, it's Spencer. I'm like, oh, we all have been there, we get it. Michelle. It has been such an absolute pleasure. I hope I'm well, I'm not hoping. I know we'll have you on later in the season, but until then, we understand that you are a crazy, busy woman. You have so much point on. There were so many other people that you'd probably be rather having conversations with right now. So we're gonna let you go, but we absolutely love you. Thank you for joining Happy Hour today. I love you, guys, and I will talk to you soon. See you, Lata. I love Michelle and I love seeing the bonds that you have with her too, Like you can just tell that she feels comfortable with you. It's like just like a girl's night where we can just chit chat and you know, share some tea. Honestly, I have to say, like it was like a pleasure I get to know her, and the fact that we were able to open up with each other and just like really create that relationship is amazing. And I think the Duchess really helps her journey, you know, and I'm allowed to help her a little bit more because I get to know her and she truly is amazing. And I'm not gonna lie I felt really left out that I'm not from freaking Minnesota. I'm like, I want to start like saying my as like you guys like, I don't whatever. I'm coming to Minnesota and visiting both of you because I'm gonna be the honorary sister. Okay, Dasha you are. I'm just gonna drag you back with me. We're gonna go hang out. Well, I know you were there for a few weeks. I'm Michelle Season, but we're gonna give you like the real hometown tour, so just see away. You are in for a treat. A huge, huge, huge thank you to Michelle for joining us today. I'm so glad that she was able to pop on, Like I know, her schedules so insanely packed right now, so the fact that she could be with us for an hour just means the world. So thank you, Michelle, and a huge thank you to all of our Bachelor Happy Our listeners. 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