301 | CCPT Skills for Quiet Sessions: Narrative Summary & Commentary Explained

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You're listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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Hi,

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I'm Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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The Kid Counselor.

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In today's episode,

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we are going to talk about narrative summary.

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And narrative commentary.

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It's kind of just a topical episode instead of part of a series.

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We did a palate cleanse last time,

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this time I'm just bringing it up because

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it's come up so often

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and I talk about it so often,

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I decided it was probably going to need to be a podcast episode.

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So

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we're gonna dive into

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providing narrative commentary,

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narrative summary,

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in play sessions,

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what that looks like,

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considerations,

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how to implement.

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Etc.

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Before I do,

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a huge thank you to each of you who attended the live episode 300th

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episode.

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What a huge accomplishment we celebrated together.

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This is all of our celebration and win,

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not mine,

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and it was so amazing.

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We recorded that on Friday.

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We posted the episode

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on Saturday and that Saturday when that 300th episode was posted.

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It was the 3 year anniversary of the start of the podcast.

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So on the 3 year anniversary,

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we published the 300th episode,

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really cool,

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the way everything lined up.

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And I'm just really grateful to each and every one of you.

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Thank you for those of you who are able to attend and hang out with me.

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It was about an hour and a half.

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Lots of Q&A,

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lots of discussion,

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and it was just lovely to have faces and names and conversation.

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So I appreciate y'all.

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OK,

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so let's talk about narrative summary,

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narrative commentary.

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Why am I bringing this up?

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Well,

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a lot of reasons,

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I suppose,

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but probably the number one is

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pretty consistently,

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I get questions and posts in the collective and people wondering

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what do you do and say.

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To remain adherent to CCPT when the child is quiet.

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it's kind of funny to me because I know everyone has their thing,

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right?

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Every CCPT has their thing that is tricky.

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The thing that challenges them,

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their thing that kind of bothers them a little bit,

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that they struggle with,

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whatever.

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So I think a lot of people struggle with silence.

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I personally don't,

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but I think that is a really difficult thing for a

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lot of CCPTs because I'm asked about it all the time.

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And here's what

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ends up happening

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if we think about the reflective responses.

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We can always offer one of the three.

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We can either reflect content,

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whatever the child is saying to us,

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we say back

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in paraphrased form.

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If you say it exactly,

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you're going to get yelled at for being a robot and copying,

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so that that's just your public service announcement for the day.

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Don't,

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if the kid says,

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I'm going to build a tower,

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don't you dare say you're gonna build a tower

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because that gets irritating to a child real fast,

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and they'll call you out.

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But we're going to reflect the content of what the child says.

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However,

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that's eliminated when a child is quiet.

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Then we have the option of reflecting feelings.

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If the child is quiet

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and playing something repetitively,

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for example,

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there's probably not a lot of emotion to identify.

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Therefore,

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we don't really have the opportunity to reflect feeling in that moment either.

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So you have a quiet child that's not emoting.

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Now all of a sudden we're left with just tracking behavior.

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And that also becomes very laborious and monotonous very quickly,

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because how many times,

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if a child is coloring a paper,

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how many times can you say

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you changed to that color,

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you colored that there.

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You switched to that side of the paper,

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you picked up that colored pencil.

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I mean,

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holy Moses,

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it just,

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it's like,

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please can we do something else?

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And I think that's why it's so uncomfortable and I think that's

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why it's so difficult because if we're left with just tracking behavior.

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It makes it very tricky

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to not feel like it is just the most repetitive,

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irritating kind of dialogue.

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The child's not engaging verbally,

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the child's not engaging emotionally.

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all we're left with

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is say what we see them doing,

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and they start to just want you to stop talking.

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this is where narrative summary,

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narrative commentary comes in.

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This goes beyond

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just the tracking of behavior.

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And if you integrate both together

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in fluid conversation,

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it makes it flow.

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There's fluidity

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to the interaction so that it's not just

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one track to the next to the next.

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Here's my baseball analogy,

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and this is actually why I'm doing this podcast

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episode because I was on a coaching call this week

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and somebody asked about

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if you're just tracking behavior,

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that becomes really

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boring

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and I said,

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that's when you have to use narrative commentary and the

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baseball analogy popped into my head about the color commentators.

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So if you're not a baseball fan,

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just go with me.

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I promise you'll,

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you'll understand this.

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So when you watch a baseball game.

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By the way,

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the Tampa Bay Rays

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team

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for the broadcast of Dwayne Stats and Brian Anderson,

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they are constantly rated top tier broadcast

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and commentators across all of the majors.

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So we have an amazing

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commentator duo for the Rays.

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If you've never watched a Rays game,

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you should.

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They are top tier

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commentators.

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They're fantastic to listen to.

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here's what happens.

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the main commentator.

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it's Dwayne Stats.

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The role of the main commentator

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is to describe the action.

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So the entire focus

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of the main commentator in our case,

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Dwayne,

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is to help someone that is not at the game,

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understand what is happening.

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You can liken that to tracking behavior.

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I hope you're seeing where this is going,

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because they are describing action.

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When I'm not at the game,

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Duane is going to tell me what's happening in the game.

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there is never just one commentator on a broadcast.

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Why?

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Because the other one is the color commentator.

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Now here's the disclaimer.

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This is very much a United States phrase.

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So for those of you international listeners,

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hello and welcome,

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by the way.

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I know you're all over the world.

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Glad you're here.

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You have no idea what a color commentator is.

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they typically call them summarizers or commentators.

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So I just want to let you know

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that color commentator is kind of unique to the states as far as a term.

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And I find it very ironic that

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they call them in other countries summarizers and

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commentators because we're talking about narrative summary and narrative

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comments.

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So,

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so fascinating how this is all tying together,

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it's divine intervention.

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The color commentator,

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the whole purpose

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of having

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two people

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because you have the guy that describes the action or the girl,

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usually male,

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you have the guy describing the action

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and then you have the guy providing color commentary.

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What does that mean?

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They provide humor and insight.

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So one's describing the action,

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and then one is kind of talking in general

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with humor and insight.

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This is exactly what narrative commentary and narrative summary is.

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So rather than just going,

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you switched to that color,

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you picked up the pencil,

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you're coloring there,

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you shaded that in,

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you drew that,

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you moved to that corner of the paper.

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that's describing action,

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tracking behavior in its purest form.

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If you want to add

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some bigger picture insight,

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you can do the narrative summary,

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narrative commentary.

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You're working on filling up the entire paper.

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You're making sure that you're not just using a few colors,

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you're making sure that you're using lots of colors.

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Here's what you're doing.

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You're giving some perspective,

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you're giving some insight,

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and often you can do it in a very lighthearted way.

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Now you're not intentionally trying to be funny,

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let's be very clear,

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that would be agenda driven and that is not CCPT.

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So you're not trying to be funny,

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but a color commentator in baseball provides humor and insight.

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It's often more lighthearted dialogue

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the main commentator.

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Why?

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Because the main commentator is describing the action on the field.

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When you start doing the narrative summary and the narrative commentary,

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all of a sudden

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there's some objectivity,

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there's some insight,

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there's bigger picture,

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often it's more lighthearted.

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And this is where your personality

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is a little bit more

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on display

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because it's conversational,

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it's interactive,

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it's dialogue driven

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we're not just stringing a skill with a skill with a skill

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we're gonna track behavior

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and then we're gonna provide some narrative summary.

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We're gonna track behavior and then

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we're gonna provide some narrative commentary.

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And this is so useful

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when a child is quietly playing

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and doing a repetitive,

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consistent type of play.

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They're moving cars 1 inch at a time across the floor for the entire hour.

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They're stacking blocks in a tower nonstop for the entire hour.

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They're shooting at a target with the crossbow nonstop for an hour.

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Saying nothing

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You don't see a whole lot of emotion.

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It's just repetitive behavior.

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You get stuck in only having one reflective response option

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unless you start working in narrative summary,

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narrative commentary.

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so now you're gonna set up on the other side of the room before you shoot the target.

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Notice how different that is than

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you're shooting again.

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You can bring in

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just a natural flow

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to the whole process

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and it gets you out of saying,

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I just feel like I'm saying the same thing over and over and over again.

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And the kid gets annoyed.

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I get annoyed,

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neither one of us like it,

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but I don't know what else to do.

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And I know,

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and you all quote me all the time,

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and for better or worse,

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that's why I'm,

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I try to be so careful with my words.

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I don't want them to be misconstrued.

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You all quote me and come back to me and say,

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and I know that I can't do my job if I don't talk.

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Yes,

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100%.

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We cannot do our job if we don't talk.

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So then the pressure is,

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I have to say something.

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You moved that

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you picked that up,

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you set that down,

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you put the cap on,

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you laid it down,

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you straightened them,

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you,

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oh my gosh,

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we need some alternatives.

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That's where this comes in.

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So I hope my baseball analogy helps.

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next time you watch a baseball game,

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you're going to

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readily identify the main commentator and the color commentator,

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I guarantee you,

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and you're gonna think about this episode,

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so you are welcome for that.

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I hope that this gives you some.

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Thought

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into how you can make your sessions flow,

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feel at ease,

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feel conversational.

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The purpose is relationship.

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just tracking behavior with that reflective response,

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it's not going to rupture the relationship by any means,

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it's adherent and it's necessary.

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So there's not going to be any fallout from that,

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but the relationship is going to

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feel more easy

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and more natural and more genuine

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when you work in some of this narrative commentary and narrative summary.

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So I hope that that is helpful.

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I hope that gives you some thoughts and ideas on what to do.

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If you want to reach out to me,

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please do brenna@thekidcounselor.com.

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And I just wanna give you a little update.

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The CPRT

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training course through Corwell

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is officially edited and ready to go.

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So we are actively getting everything over to Joseph and Kate at Corwell,

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and we should be able to launch that this month.

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So this is for those of you that are going to listen to this later,

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this is May of 2025.

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So we are hoping to have that completely ready

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and CEU

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certification

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prepared

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for the end of May of 2025.

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So I,

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I know many,

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many of you have been waiting for that.

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And I apologize for how long it's taken.

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It's a lot of hours of content and editing videos is a very slow and tedious process,

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but we have finally gotten there.

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We're really excited about that and

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so many of you are wanting to add parent coaching to

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your suite of services,

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and CPRT is going to be such a helpful addition to your practice.

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And if you are a facilitator of that curriculum,

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it gives you the foundation.

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So that you can really be effective in helping parents implement

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CCPT with their own children and obviously conduct play sessions in their homes,

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which is really meaningful

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and so much research proves how effective that program is.

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So,

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really looking forward to that for you all.

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Can't wait to officially launch,

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but it will be this month,

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so I wanted to let you all know about that.

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I love y'all.

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Have a great week.

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We'll talk soon.

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Bye.

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Thank you for listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr.

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Brenna Hicks.

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For more episodes and resources,

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please go to www.playtherapypodcast.com.