183 | Navigating Child and Adult Therapy Coexistence in a Group Practice: Expectations, Communication, and the 'Why'

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You're listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr

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Brenna Hicks. Your source for centered and focused play therapy coaching.

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Hi, I'm Dr

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Brenna Hicks, The Kid Counselor.

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This is the Play Therapy Podcast where you get a master class in child-centered,

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work with children and their families.

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In today's episode. I am answering a listener question who called in to the

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voicemail line

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and she asked to be

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anonymous and she asked for me not to read

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well or to

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have you all listen to the entire voicemail

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for protection because other people at her place of employment,

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listen to the podcast as well.

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But I'll give you the gist of her question and then I will

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share some thoughts.

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So the,

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the start of the question was that when she began at her place of employment,

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she was the first child centered play therapist.

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And subsequently, there have been more that have come on.

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So now there are quite a few child centered play therapists

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at the practice, but the practice also sees

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other clients. So they have adults and I assume probably couples and

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individuals that obviously are going to want a more quiet

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therapy environment,

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but there are enough child centered play therapists there that there are quite a

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few children and their families that are coming in for sessions as well.

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And so the,

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the owner of the practice

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said that because of the kids and the noise

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and the distractions and the disruptions and the behavior

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that the owner was thinking about putting up signs

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in the lobby

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that

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in my opinion, were quite restrictive.

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And so, you know, it's

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children must be accompanied at all times.

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Even into the restroom, children are not allowed to run up and down these hallways.

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Children are not allowed to be in the sta on the stairs,

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children are not allowed to be loud.

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If your children cannot be allowed, you need to take them out or they cannot be quiet

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and they continue to be loud, they need to be removed from the building and go outside

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and I'm not really sure what other components were intended to go on the sign,

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but essentially trying to

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make it clear that when families with their children, are there,

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either clients or siblings of clients,

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there are going to be rules in place for the behavior and the noise level.

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And so the the listener's question was,

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is that going to somehow create shame or guilt for families?

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And what are my thoughts on having signs like those

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and just overall suggestions on what to do to handle that.

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So, first of all, thanks. So much for calling in and,

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and letting me answer this.

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So

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we're gonna hit three main topics here and I'll kind of

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cover those first and then go back to each one separately.

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So I think really importantly is expectations. So we're gonna talk through that

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the communication process is going to be invaluable and then also

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making sure that the why is involved in all of this.

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So those are the three main topics that I'd like to cover. But

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let me kind of circle around to it.

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So I want to share some other thoughts before I get to those main points.

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So let's start with first,

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when children are coming for play therapy,

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there are usually

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this regulation issues.

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we kind of

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have an understanding that if children are needing therapy,

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there's likely disregulation of some kind.

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And often if children are coming to play therapy,

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it's also a parenting issue.

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So either parents are lacking their confidence, they are ill equipped,

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they are handling things in ineffective way.

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There's usually a parenting side of this as well.

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And then finally,

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if the situation is pretty dire at home and they reach out for therapy

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more often than not, the entire family is burned out,

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they're overwhelmed,

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they're stressed,

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they're emotional.

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So you combine those conditions together

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and you can almost predict

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that there are going to be behavioral issues

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with the client,

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with the client's siblings or with the client's parents or all of the above.

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So I think it's really important to recognize that

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children are loud, children

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are emotional,

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children make messes. I mean, there are just standards of child behavior and that's

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in the best case scenario.

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And then when you have children that are struggling and

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families that are struggling and parents that are struggling,

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that's going to just be par for the course.

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So I wanna make it really clear that when

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you choose to work with children,

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which the owner of this practice has chosen to see children

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and the owner of this practice has chosen

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to have child-centered play therapists

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as part of staff.

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So by choosing to work with children,

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you are also choosing

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noise

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and mess

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and dysregulation

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and behavior and emotion

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and everything that goes with children.

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So and I don't mean that to be

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harsh, I don't mean that to be critical.

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the act of choosing

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to see children at a practice

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is the act of choosing accepting

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what comes with working with children.

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So I think there's likely a crisis going on in the owner right now

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over.

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Should I really continue to see children when it's disruptive to the adults?

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And which one should I prioritize?

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And if I get rid of children,

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you know, the adults will be happier, but children really need to be seen.

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So should I really not see children?

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I suspect there's a little bit of an existential crisis going on

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with the owner of the practice because if you choose children, you choose noise,

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that's just the way that it goes.

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So I think we needed to be really clear on that and that's for all of us. Right?

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If we are going to be the play therapist, if we're going to be a CCPT

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at a group practice in an environment where there are other clients

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and other therapists and other sessions going on,

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there is inevitably going to be a disconnect between the quiet talking

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sessions

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that adults are having

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with the loud play sessions that kids are having

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and the lobby dynamic changes and behavior and emotions are different

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between children and adult clients. So

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this

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goes with the territory

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is what I'm trying to say and

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there's no way around it.

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So then the options become, how do we best handle this,

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which are the three points that I wanted to share

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in the first place. So let's start with

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setting expectations.

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Almost any situation

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can be addressed

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clear expectations,

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but they need to be clearly expressed and the expectations need to be known

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from the very beginning.

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So at this point,

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if parents have already been coming, already,

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been bringing their children already been bringing siblings of clients

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to all of a sudden, set up expectations that were not made clear. At the beginning,

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there can be

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a negative outcome there

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without fail. Setting expectations from the very beginning

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is the way to preserve the relationship.

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I stress this in the coaching program all the time,

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we have to make expectations known and clear as soon as possible

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to prevent any potential obstacles and barriers.

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So setting expectations is going to be a huge piece of this moving forward.

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My second thought is communication.

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you already have existing clients,

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it's going to be really important

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for either you

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my listener, which I don't know your name. So I'm sorry, I'm calling you, you but

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you as the listener are either going to have to have personal conversations

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each of the families

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and then all of the other child centered play therapists,

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there are going to have to have personal conversations with their families.

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This is not a, you post a sign and it just surprises people kind of scenario.

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This is you have a personal conversation with existing clients

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and you communicate what's going on

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again, just like families can handle almost anything. If expectations are known,

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families can handle changes and can handle complying with limits

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if there's a personal conversation that takes place.

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But this is a communication issue.

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It's a failure of communication on part of the practice.

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And so now to fix that

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there needs to be personal,

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intimate, honest conversations rather than just a sign that shows up on a wall

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that can be misread, misperceived. The tone is not known when it's written.

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When you speak to someone, it preserves the relationship.

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So you might wanna say

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Hey, I just wanted to let you know,

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the owner of the practice has been a little bit concerned about the

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noise level because they're seeing adults as well at the same time.

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And so the owner has asked that

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we try to keep the noise level down and if your child starts to get upset in any way

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that we might encourage you to have them go outside so that the noise isn't so loud

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and we just don't want kids to be,

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you know, unaccompanied for safety's sake

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and blah, I, if you have that kind of conversation, and again,

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this needs to come from the,

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the therapist because the therapist already has a relationship with these people.

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Parents already are in a relationship with their therapist.

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So you're going to get a lot further having a personal conversation

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from someone that already has a relationship with them.

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Then all of a sudden a sign just showing up

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and then my final thought is,

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you know, as always the why matters,

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what, what is the purpose of the having this new set of rules?

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Is it for safety?

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Are they concerned that if a child is walking down the hallway unattended,

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that it's a safety issue.

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If they're climbing stairs unattended, it's a safety issue.

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If they are in the bathroom alone, something could happen.

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Is this a safety concern? I'm not saying that it is. I'm saying we have to drill down.

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What exactly is the reason that this is needing to be addressed.

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Is it a liability issue?

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Is there a concern that

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someone's going to

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do something that they shouldn't, something's going to get broken?

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Someone, a child's going to walk into a session

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and be disruptive.

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Ok. There are all kinds of reasons that, that might be a concern.

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What about discomfort of the other clients? The adult clients

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have any of the clients raised concerns,

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have they said?

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Oh my gosh,

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I don't even like coming here because it's so noisy or I can't even

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think because I'm trying to tell you what's going on in my life.

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And all I hear is, you know, whistles and tambourines

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or is it a discomfort issue on part of the owner,

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the owner every time that the owner hears noise

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internally is in a state of discomfort?

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Oh my gosh, this is just unacceptable. This is, this is not ok.

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We cannot have this level of, of noise in here.

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And I have no idea how we're gonna handle this, et cetera, et cetera.

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why

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is the reason?

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Therefore the, why dictates

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the solution?

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So we have to know what's going on

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if it's a safety issue that is communicated

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to parents,

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if it's a liability issue

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that is communicated to the parents.

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If it's a discomfort of clients issue,

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that is communicated to the parents,

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we've had several adult clients

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express discomfort with the level of noise

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when they're trying to have their session.

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You know, their sessions are usually pretty quiet

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and obviously kids are not. And

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the way that it's presented matters, it needs to be neutral,

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it needs to be light hearted,

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it needs to be just a statement of fact, there's no guilt, there's no shame,

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there's no blame.

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There's no, there's nothing other than,

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hey, I just wanted to make you aware.

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We've had a couple of people say that it

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was really difficult for them to have their talk sessions

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because of the noise level. So we're trying to just let parents know

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that we're trying to keep the noise volume down a little bit

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and kids need to be with parents at all times just so that we can make sure that they

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stay in the lobby and they don't get closer to

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those therapy sessions because obviously the noise gets louder,

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the further back down the hallway, you go

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blah, blah, blah, blah,

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blah, write a script

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and make sure that every therapist is saying the exact same thing

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to the parents

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because there needs to be consistency in communication

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and there needs to be an effective and appropriate

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way to handle this that preserves the relationship.

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So final thought

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in lieu of conversations and or signs,

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there are a lot of things that can be done

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on the owner's behalf for noise reduction.

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So you can have white noise machines in the talk therapy rooms

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that will drown out some of the noise.

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You can have music playing down the hallways and in the lobby

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which will drown out some of the noise.

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You can have TVs on in the lobby that will drown out some of the noise.

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You can put sound absorbing panels

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in the play rooms or in the adult rooms.

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bottom to make sure that no noise is carrying under the doors.

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that carries and echoes. So you would want to put rugs down.

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There are all kinds of ways that you can dampen the noise a little bit.

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allow the noise to continue at the same volume,

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there are things that can be put in place to mask that

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for the owner, for the adult clients, for everyone involved.

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So those are my thoughts.

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So thank you so much for calling in.

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I hope that all of you find that helpful because I know many,

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many of you work in situations

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you feel a little bit concerned about the level of noise.

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So I think that this is a really helpful topic to discuss

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because you can't get around noise when you work with kids. So

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anyway, thanks so much for the voicemail. I really appreciate that.

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And last thought before we wrap up for today,

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if you would like to be able to ask me questions directly

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instead of waiting for me to answer them on an episode.

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Please consider joining the Collective, go to ccptcollective.com

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and you will be able to be with a whole bunch of other CCPTs and

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have live Q and A and all kinds of interaction

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with child centered play therapists around the world. It's an amazing group.

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It's so much fun. So

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anyway, love you all so much. Thanks for spending time with me this week.

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We'll talk again soon. Bye.

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Thank you for listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr Brenna Hicks.

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