Monie Love on Queen Latifah's genius, Cardi B's star power & Fat Joe's Native Tongues connection

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Speaker 1: And you can pull up the tape from our sinio. You can pull up the tape from you was pregnant on them. Oh yeah, I was on showtime at the Apollo talking about money in the middle, brillly in the middle, money in the middle, Brilli in the middle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what up, y'all? This is Joe Cracked the Dawn.

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Speaker 3: Know what it is, your boy, Jada, This is the Joe and Jadas Show. Every show legendary, every show iconic. Today is very special. Not only do we have an iconic, legendary icon of the culture, you have one of my friends. You have somebody that contacted me to get on the show, and she's here because she's a legend. She was gonna be here.

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Speaker 1: Begad.

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Speaker 4: The fact of that for my business partner over here owes her an apology because he was.

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Speaker 2: You know, help me.

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Speaker 4: He might have asked our first. It might have been expensive, fair rubbing against it's something, or you know, it might have just had a little brain freeze at the moment. It happens to the best of us. But you know, we're going to get into that before we get.

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Speaker 3: Into a deep conversation, ladies and gentlemen. Makes some noise for to guests today, moody long.

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Speaker 1: Yo, that legend legendary introduction. You like that right?

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Speaker 2: Money observed that mony yo?

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Speaker 1: I wish yet No y'all did that deliberately. Yeah, I did it.

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Speaker 2: I prold it all.

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Speaker 1: You guys did that deliberately.

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Speaker 2: You're the first artist to be in the middle. I said, y'all, come on me.

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Speaker 1: I don't get ready to sit over there. And Joe was like, a right here.

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Speaker 3: I like, you're like, man, you made the middle famous.

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Speaker 1: Can I please tell you? I had no intention of it becoming a thing within itself. When I wrote that song. It felt good. The music was talking to me. It told me to write that. What I wrote came up with the hook. It felt good. But I really didn't think that it was gonna grow legs of its own. I mean surpassing. You go to your kids school, the teacher be like, we're gonna put her in the middle, like you like you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you should have patten. She's supposed to get some money off the middle of the middle of the mall the middle of.

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Speaker 1: Anything besides the song doing well. And it was the first song that I was up for a Grammy four besides any of that. I didn't know that. Years later people would see me and they wouldn't necessarily say that's mony love. They will say that's money in the middle, like it grew its own leg.

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Speaker 3: She's like the female mill schlick rick bitch with Dana Day. How could you still got such a strong action at the being Hevid, You've seen everything in there.

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Speaker 1: I'm that strong. So this is that strong.

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Speaker 5: One of my questions I was going to ask, you know, when I go to Puerto Rico, there's some Puerto Ricans that look at me like a fake Puerto Rican. They'd be like, yo, you ain't Puerto Rican because I didn't grow up there. I wasn't born there. Like are you more considered American in London? Or they like she's from here.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's a really interesting question at this point. I'm fifty five now, right, So, so at this point in my life I've actually spent more time in the United States than I have in the country of my birth because I left England when I was seventeen years old and I was born there. I did all my schooling there, I grew up there pretty much, you know what I mean. I came here after I got a record deal. I got a record deal at sixteen, and then I came here when I was like seventeen. Yeah wow, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Did you was slick Rick? Because Slickwrick grew up in the Bronx. I think he might have came even younger than you.

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Speaker 1: He came when he was a toddler. He came must have came when he was like four or five or something like that. Because we didn't even in England. We developed our own scene based on what was happening in the United States at the time. We watched Wild Style, you know movies. We watched break Dance, we watched Beech Street. We were enthralled and totally absorbed into the culture to the point where we created our own pseudo hip hop scene in England and all the surrounding areas and then all the way in all the countries in Europe. That's how much in love with the culture that came from the United States that we were. So we didn't even know that we could embrace Slick Rick as our own. When we were listening to Slick Rick on the radio, we didn't realize and then we started to realize, oh wow, he's originally from here. As in the UK, and then we realized he you know, oh, he's one of us, but he must have moved to the United States when he was five or something like that, because it's not like he grew up and we came to know of Slick Rick in England before coming to America.

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Speaker 5: Growing up in London, right, because we have guests all the time, legends and all that. Everybody's story is similar but unique, right, So how the hell does somebody discover them only love in England and give us a record deal as sixteen and you come over here rended pop saw.

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Speaker 1: So the first record deal that I signed was in England. Like, like I said, we fell in love with the culture from watching movies and also getting like tenth generation cassette tapes of radio shows recorded, you know what I'm saying. Like we would listen to Red Alert and stuff like that, but it would sound like eggs and bacon cooking when we're listening to it, because it's like been dubbed a good fifteen times, you know what I mean. And so we fell in love with the culture. We created our own scene and then we started putting on our own little shows in England as young, young teenagers, you know. And then at the same time it was blowing up in the United States. So record companies in England started to see what was happening in England and they wanted to sign their own artists also, so a lot of us were getting record deals in England, you know. So I got my first record deal with Chrysalist Records, which was latest swallowed by EMI Records. But Chrysalists Records is where I had my original deal, and that was a sixteen years old. My parents had to sign my recording contract and you know my dad Okay, you met my dad at the Palladium right in New York. There's a whole nother story I'll tell you, right, But so my Jamaican Rastafarian father looked at this contract and was like, oh what it is and was like, ma, nah, sign this this? What is our contract? Is this?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 1: My dad was not impressed. It took some go back and forth with another attorney to straighten out some stuff that my dad was looking at before my father.

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Speaker 5: In them days, nothing was straight even if you have it was tenlor attorneys on this.

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Speaker 1: It was terrible.

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Speaker 5: Now they robbed everybody at the back, every everybody.

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Speaker 1: It was terrible, and then it looked like everybody nobody did not get robbed.

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Speaker 5: Every I could break down Missy Ellie, I could bring down Telly Roley got robbed, and he went and robbed them over there and this that everybody.

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Speaker 1: Got robbed and robbed and robbed and robbed, wobbed? Did he did?

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Speaker 6: He?

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Speaker 1: I don't know what.

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Speaker 5: I never said, Rob Basse, Yeah, well you know I used to be on one hundred thirty second and he from the projects right there? What's that Washington Projects on one hundred and thirty second in park eveny rob basis from there? Okay, No, Rob basis from all of them, man, Tom Fell one hundred thirty second. I used to see rob base where he was like the biggest in the world.

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Speaker 1: All of them, man, all of them loved the run based.

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Speaker 5: From all Dont do that? Yeah, your kids, man, we in fucking London. You sidetrack us to all of them.

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Speaker 1: With how we get to all of them from talk too much?

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Speaker 5: How do you come over here and we select with the legendary native tongues? And did that happen? How did you get into that crew right there?

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Speaker 1: So Dave Klein that used to work for theft jam god Rest his soul was like an ambassador and used to bring artists from the United States to England and the surrounding European countries to do mini tours, and he bought over Queen Latifa and the Jungle Brothers. On one particular tour, it was Queen Lazi for the Junger Brothers, Chugy and True Mathematics. They all came over to do a mini tour. They went to Germany first and then on a tour bus on a ferry, came over to London and then was doing shows in London. I was at one of those shows and I had built like a reputation for myself in London. You know, there's this girl coming up, she's from South London, she's dope, blah blah blah. And I was at this show. So the guy that run the club introduced me to Dave Klin and then Dave Klink who was with you know, Latifa and Jungle Brothers and stuff. And Dave Clin introduced me to Jungle Brothers, Queen Latif for the other groups that were there, and that's when me and Latifa first met. And that's when me and a Jungle brothers first met and the Jungle Brothers, Tri Corp, Quest and dail I saw the three head groups of the native tongues. So whatever they say is going to happen as far as native tongues and who's going to be a part of it, that's what goes. And for me in Africa and Ryman to Latifa, Ryman to Africa, them getting the gist of who I am and that I was indeed dope, and so then they were like, Yeah, she's gonna be down. We're gonna put her down. And it was during that trip that Latifa was like, we're going to do a song together at some point. And then it was eight months later that me and Latifa recorded Ladies First at Power Play Studios and Queen who, what does Ladies First mean to you? For me when we did Ladies First, it was I'm here, I'm ramming on this. This is dope and I'm gonna spit and it's gonna be dope. That's what it was for me. Latifa had a bigger plan when she invited me to do Ladies First. She had a bigger plan. And now, in hindsight, when we do shows together, because we still do shows together. Latifa is like a mad scientist where she'll call me yo yo light a rage like out the blue, and it'll be like we form Voltron. Like she'll be like, what are you doing such and such a day? All right, let me call yo yo, what are you doing?

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Speaker 7: What are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Like, what do you doing? Rage? And we'd be like back, we're with it, and we'll just all go out to wherever Latifa is and we'll form Voltron and get on stage and do this like two hour ensemble show crazy, which is which is crazy, right? But Latifa always seems to have this like science, this mad scientist mindset where she knows what she's doing. So back then we were eighteen years old recording ladies first, we were actually in our late seventeenth year, so we didn't turn eighteen year right, recording lay very mature track, and she knew what she was doing. I'm just the rowdy one that the you know, the ramaholic that's just happy to be here. But she knew she wanted to do something that made sense that spoke to women as far as big ups to women, strengthening women, fisting the air for women type vibes. She knew us what she wanted to do. So once she gave me the gist of all right, this is how this is where we're going with it, I was like, cool, So we're in our respective corners right in the studio, so I write a verse. This is how excited I was. I would write a verse right, and it'd be like, li, wow, listen to this, listen to this, go over to her corner and be like and then stay to rhyme.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: She'd be like, Yo, that's dope. I'll be like, and then she kick me hers. I'd be like, yo, that's dope. We run back to our respective corners. We write another eight bars, yo, yo, yo, listen to this, come back to each other. I spit the next eight bars. She spit the next eight bars. Excited as ever. We did the whole session like that. The whole session was just electric.

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Speaker 5: Yeah they losing that now now they send your ship to Colorado. Yeah yeah, it's not it's not in your face no more.

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Speaker 2: It's not that energy. I forgot.

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Speaker 5: Who came up in was like, yo, we was in the I think it was daylight, so somebody was up there. It was like they was together and they was just jumping in and rapping with like you know, when I did Flow Joe, I didn't even know what what punching it is. I did the whole Flow Joe without punching in, and they was dead when the hook came and you gotta float, yo, everybody we need.

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Speaker 1: I'm said that right, I'm glad you said. I'm glad you brought up Flow Joe. I bet that you have absolutely no idea how we, especially us Native tongues looked at you and loved you and was so excited for you when you first came out, because there's a there's a huge bloodline between you and Native tongues. I bet you didn't even know that. No, I want to hear it. How do we know? Giving me goosebumps, you're Chris's artists, that's right, do you know? Chris? Chris Chris was our road manager before he made any business moves, as far as having an office, as far as having violated records, as far as having I mean, I'm getting choked up just thinking about this right now. Chris was our road manager. Chris was one of the violators as far as red alerts posse, that's who the violators are. You know what I'm saying, I remember us walking all of native tongues, all the groups, Daylight, Jungle Tribe, me Latif for walking into a venue one night. And this is how the violators and the bronx this is and me coming from England, I'm looking for all of this, Like, yo, are we being road managed by the mafia? Like what's going on right now? Because the violators walk up in the venue with these long leaven off trenches and with the belts, sit us in the room. All the groups like I just named, sit us in the room. Wait here. Nobody touches a mic, nobody shows their face to the public, Nobody does nothing until we get this bread. Stay in this room. Violators walk off, Chris walks off. Couple of them, stay with the rest of us. Chris comes back. Everybody out huh, we're not performing. Nope, everybody out right. And basically what that is is if we get in the building and the venue money ain't right, Chris is like, nobody's touching a mic. Nobody's touching nothing. The promoters are looking at this, the Jungle Brothers, this Daylight, Soule's drug. Everybody's here. It's gonna be crazy. You can't like they gonna tear my club up. Chris is like, that's not my problem. You ain't got my money, right everybody else. Chris has always been thorough, so it was no surprise to me that he then made his business moves and created violator records. And then when he put you out, We're all looking at you like, that's our little brother, that's our little brother. We are super proud of him. Look at this. Wow.

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Speaker 5: You know what I man put beyond man changed my life. You know he came, I was in the streets signed me And what was crazy now that you saying that, right, because I know christpins Streets every time I did an albumuse he was involved with my first three albums. Even though I was just signed in for Don Carter Gina, we still had this rich you will. We sit in the car now playing the album. If it wasn't gangster, Chris ain't want to hit, he'd be like, yo fat yo the gangster, fuck that, I need some ship, yo yo. He used to sit there. I don't think he ever wanted me to be commercial and be like yo fat Joe the gangster, I need the hard ship sitting there. Yeah, yeah, this that shit He was just so proud of us, you know, you know, like everybody you know, like d J. Galla was Terror Squad, then he went and made me the best. So if you if you're about the culture, you really love your brothers as well, get happy for them to go.

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Speaker 2: From Rough Riders.

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Speaker 5: So even though I went and did my own thing, Chris Lidy would come to the album released for Big Pond Now he felt like you saying, Yo, that's our little brother. He don't know it. He would show up when they saying Fat Joe's the Terror Squad, the Big the Dawn. He would always show up.

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Speaker 2: And he'd be like, yo, proud of you, and then walk out the joint. You know what I'm saying. Russell Simmons was like that too.

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Speaker 5: Russell Simmons every time we did some Terrorist Squad album releases something, he comes show his cheek bone for two minutes.

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Speaker 2: It's a flag.

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Speaker 5: That you know, they got these things here that you could throw whenever you get upset or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Mon he's chilling, man, She ain't down with that ship. You know what, man? Do I have that? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You have it. Everybody has it.

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Speaker 5: I do okay, okay, the way they usually do it is any guess that comes they tell you ahead of time before we record. Joe says some dumb shit. What they don't say, Jady kiss, they take fat. Joe's gonna say some dumb ship know.

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Speaker 1: That it was originally made for you flag on the play.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to say that I want to ask her this because you see how hip hop and the game evolved with female mcs now became almost like it became like civil They have a chokehole on the game for a nice amount of time. Yeah, but when you seem like native tonguees time, it was very protective of you would lie and whatever. Even the females that wasn't native tongue, it seemed like, I don't know, is it the money, is it.

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Speaker 7: The success of now or that changed.

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Speaker 4: Even though something, it's still we're gonna make sure the females is always good if we somewhere at Redmansdale or anybody. Yeah, that's just because we from a different cloth. But I'm talking about as the game hip hop as a whole now is when the females is rocking, it's just like the female is not.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 7: They segregated the game.

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Speaker 1: I think I know what you're saying. Are you saying that? Like you've noticed that a lot of the successful women seem to be kind of just like rolling and not necessarily with their their male brothers and counterparts, like it used to kind of be like families rolling, like you know what I'm saying, Like that is that? Is that more or less what you're saying, That's what I'm saying. I don't know. I definitely think that women do have a really strong chokehold on on the forefront of the game right now, Like I really do see that. I can't be mad at it. I think that there's just a lot more independent artists, not independent artists like putting an independent records out, I mean, just independent entities. It's less kind of like family rolling. You know what I'm saying. Let's let's wear your crew. You got remy and it's all of y'all. You know what I'm saying, and you're rolling like that. It's it's native and it's me a lot and we're rolling like that. I think I think it's more independent individualism entities like like that.

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Speaker 5: You know what I was thinking about when in Miami for the Big College game, when Indiana.

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Speaker 7: Incredible experience, incredible.

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Speaker 5: And I'm standing on the sideline and I see all the legends right and they amping up these kids. These kids are what eighteen nineteen and something that came to me. Do you think they watched footage of these legends? Like a young kid eighteen nineteen? Does he go back and says, why is this og keep screaming at me telling me what to do?

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Speaker 8: Now?

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Speaker 2: Do they go to the video?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 4: You know, I think the coaches, you know, like Coach Rich and them up, show them tapes. And then the ones that want to make it, they really want to see who their forefathers was at that position last time they won the chip?

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Speaker 7: Who was the best at this particular position?

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Speaker 1: Is you know what I mean? It starts here right. The females, do they go back and belying the lady first?

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Speaker 5: When they listen to us, like y'all bo these allegend, do they go back and say, let me check out what they were doing at that time?

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Speaker 1: Okay? So do y'all think that the younger, the newer guys do that. I think certain ones like the interview guy.

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Speaker 4: That's why I actually knows everything, every one of your projects, everything from live everything from somebody like that who.

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Speaker 1: Say her name again? And that's why she's an anomaly.

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Speaker 2: A fact.

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Speaker 1: Well, you asked me to give you one. No, but that's what I'm the reason why am I gonna get a flag? Right now? I got a flag. I got a flair. But that's but that's why I asked you that specifically because you said. Key thing that you said is some. That's the key some. You know what I'm saying, Because I think that the viral explosion and and and just the bigness of the Internet and social media and everything has allowed a lot of folks to feel like a lot of folks that's been here a lot a lot less time to feel like they know every thing. And so that's why, and so that's why it's some people do their research. And I say that not to be snotty or snitty or anything like that. I say it because in any field, not just music, and any field, in any business and any occupation, it behooves a person to know what came before them because it helps them to do what they do even better. You know what I'm saying. You don't have to learn everything from your own accord. You can learn some stuff from some other people. That's why it's called research, right, you know what I'm saying. You know, in fact, Joe's wicked way thinking.

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Speaker 5: You know, a guy like Floyd maywhether his uncle is father with Champs and Floyd Mayweather became dead.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 5: Floyd watched a lot of take Okay, I watched one fight where he was doing the Floyda he was he was losing six rounds in the world. I think some Mexican.

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Speaker 2: Guy was on.

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Speaker 5: Stuck the whole style like in the seventh rownd and just he started doing some other shit.

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Speaker 2: He beat the guy senseless for the rest of the fight.

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Speaker 5: When they interviewed him, he was like, yo, I mean he was ready for me, and I switched up.

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Speaker 1: To Jack Dempsey.

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Speaker 2: You know, like I thought about the fight Jack Dempsey.

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Speaker 5: It's so I don't know if it was Jack Dempsey, but he said one of them old guys, and he was like, yo, from watching the film, I had to figure out who I had to fight, like to beat this guy because if I'm just straight up Floyd Mayweather, he got my number. So about the sixth round, he just switched the whole style up on him and was like killed him.

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Speaker 1: Like killed them. But he was like, and I remember looking, I so damn he really watches the footage chasing point. That's it right there, And you're talking and that was a beautiful analogy because you're talking about about boxing, which is another fine art within itself. And I'm saying it makes sense, you know what I'm saying. And to bring it back to hip hop, how you think when the DJ battles were going down right back in the days, and how you think they got nice enough to be able to get to the world final championships and go up against each other's because they're all sitting watching tapes. I said it in another interview. One time they're sitting Clark Kent would sit in his basement and have some of us sit there in his basement and watch videotapes of other DJs and their routines as see. Look you see when Jazzy Jeff did this right here, Moony you see. And I'm sitting there like, I'm an MC. Why am I here? You know what I'm saying, all.

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Speaker 7: Of djyes, why am I here?

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Speaker 1: No? But I'm trying to show you something because Clark can' did make me learn how to dj.

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Speaker 2: A DJ.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I want to shout out rock Radar and that's what I'm saying. That's another one. That's another one. Yeah, give it up. That's another one. That's another one right there.

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Speaker 5: That the scratches on flow Joe. See, Raider was like damn with digging in the crates.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Exactly how, but he was down with us, and whenever we need his scratches, I'd be like, you're right.

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Speaker 2: He was the coolest guy in the world.

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Speaker 1: And rock Raider is nasty. Rock Raider was nasty, Like I noticed. I remember this yelling at and he.

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Speaker 5: Was smiling while he's doing the moves and the roucines like rock Rader was exactly super smooth.

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Speaker 1: And so it was the same thing with mcin same thing like for me. I used to listen to set it off by Big Daddy Kane, Like how singers have people that they do the scales with singers and trainers that be you know, let's do the scales and stuff like that to get their voices right. I used to listen to Big Daddy Kane set it off to get myself right because it was a chopping let it get bull I just can't hold, but you know what I'm saying, and I would be doing that. I could disco take in the school's well's next. You know what? You get your mouth right. You know what I'm saying, and that's how I developed a style to be on some excuse me, but I think I'm about to get into precisely what I am about to do. I'm compensating to the folks weapon what's the web clue? So listen very carefully. Is I break it down for you? Remember you may you know what I'm saying. Doubt to bring it back to what you're saying. Absolutely, The study of what comes before you is what helps to make you great at what you do in any field.

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Speaker 4: Clock forced you to learn how to did you did you? What did you take with that?

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Speaker 1: It gave me a deeper respect for hip hop in itself because I started in London when we first embraced the culture. I wasn't rhyming at first. I was I was breaking. I was a beager girl. Yeah too, right, So it allowed me to embrace another element of the culture. When Clock was like, no, you're gonna learn, You're gonna learn how to bring a record back, You're gonna learn how to recognize it here. I put the tape markings on it. That's the one. Bring it back to the one. Flip the fader. Bring it back to the one. Flip the fader. Put the earphones on one side, have the other air kind of open so you can hear what's going on. Bring it back, flip the favor, Bring it back, flip the failure. You know what I'm saying, Cut it back, cut me around something.

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Speaker 2: You know, graffiti.

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Speaker 5: I just didn't made a train the other day, New York City train the other day.

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Speaker 2: Huh, it's spray paint.

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Speaker 1: Man. You don't know. I'm a graffiti.

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Speaker 5: I watched you doing your No, I'm gonna show you the pictures being byered. But listen, so graffiti of the boy came out the brook. One thing I try to do is DJ, and that sucked. I've never ever successfully nowhere, And you all used to go to storage house every day and I just sucked.

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Speaker 1: Like there's nothing that I can't DJ. But you can't write. Huh but you can't? You you right? Tag you? Okay, well then you got that. You got I got to you break down. Yeah, I still do. I still get on.

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Speaker 5: We got fluidding I mean I still got w.

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Speaker 1: Missen.

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00:30:06
Speaker 2: Let's step back to like social media.

00:30:09
Speaker 5: If you think now is the birth of moony love and there's social media, do you think your career would have been super amplified more now that they're social media.

00:30:21
Speaker 1: Honestly, I think any of us, any of us from my era or y'all, because I'm the big sister, y'all, my little brothers, you know what I mean, So go back to me, Go back to your big sister and all of my set. If we had the platform of all of these platforms. Now, absolutely everything would have just been magnified for sure, you know what I mean, that's a fact.

00:30:44
Speaker 5: And who do you think there's a female artist that does social media well uses it now and you'd be like, man, she know what she knows how to play that game.

00:30:54
Speaker 1: Oh we all know that's Cardi Cardi. Yeah, I mean that's just that's that's a no brainer. That's an absolutely, that's a that's a no brainer. She could wake up first thing in the morning and don't even be any of her outfits yet. And it's a top post because there's always a level of relatability in there, you know what I mean, she just without even trying.

00:31:18
Speaker 5: Yeah, I always said people loved her first, and then she made great music and then it is addict I think that's really and then and then she just hited out the bar with.

00:31:30
Speaker 1: That boat act dealer like her first. You for saying that I did like her first before anything, Yeah, I did. And and and what's really cool for me about Carti is regardless to the fact that she's like, she's not my age group, right, So like some people would be like, well, how do you how do you relate to CARTI b at all. For me, it's her mother ring when she wakes up and she has her her whatever gripes she's having that morning about being a mom, or the kids is doing this or acting up or whatever, and oh I got to get this, and kids making any little remarks in the background. I get it because when I look at it, I'm like, oh my God. And then I'll say to my daughter, who's in here, right, I'll be like Chanlene to look at this. You remember when I used to guys used to say things and embarrass me, and then I used to do this or I used to say that to you guys. It's just I find all of these relatable moments in her parent world for me. And I had four kids, you know what I'm saying. At her age, I didn't no no car Cardi beat me a little bit. I wasn't having more. I spread mine out a little bit more. But I do have the same amount of kids as well.

00:32:44
Speaker 2: Cardi Mike hearty.

00:32:45
Speaker 1: Next week, I'm pregnant again, guys.

00:32:48
Speaker 5: She and I think she's the first female the ever intentionally got pregnant in her prime and still worked and went on to our pregnant still popped.

00:33:00
Speaker 1: Up intentionally maybe, but first no, that was me. And you can pull up the tape from our sinio. You can pull up the tape from you was pregnant on them?

00:33:11
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was.

00:33:12
Speaker 1: I was on showtime at the Apollo talking about money in the middle, really in the middle, money in the middle, brill in the middle. That's a fun time. The tape up. I'm glad you said that, because that's another reason, one of my early reasons why I related to Cardi, because when she was pregnant that first time and came out and was like on stage and publicly and everything, I was like because I understood it because I was there. I was in that exact position on stage front doing everything.

00:33:41
Speaker 5: On every thing they used to do with hip hop, and they probably still do it. That's why I hate these people. The business always got like the stereotype like a female artist can't have a voice.

00:33:52
Speaker 1: Oh no, they shamed us. They shamed us, especially in my time. They shamed us like the record label. I was signed to Chris List in England, but I was signed to Warner Brothers to the United States and Canada, and I was pretty much without them actually saying it, like I was three months pregnant with my daughter that's in here, my oldest one now right, she's thirty four. I was three months pregnant with her, and on the label reps were like, well, what are you gonna do? And I was like, I said, I'm three months pregnant. What you mean what I'm gonna do? Well, you know what are you gonna do? And I'm like, it means I'm having a baby.

00:34:30
Speaker 7: Like what you think it means?

00:34:32
Speaker 2: Like they're telling you taking abortion.

00:34:35
Speaker 1: Get without saying it, without saying it, you know what I'm saying the record rep at the time, and I was, I was just like I was ninety sexist business. I was because it was that summer around my birthday that I that I found out, right, And so she was born right before I turned twenty one, right because I was twenty when I found out I was pregnant. So by the time I turned twenty one, she was here. I thought back to the time, and I'm like, I'm so glad I made that this, Like there's nothing I would It would have never went any other way, you know what I'm saying. And my kid, my daughter has asked me that before. She's like, mom, do you think that you would have did it any differently and maybe you would have not had kids so early? And I was like, no, if it happened all over again, I would have did it the same way all over again. Like it wasn't a question for me. And that again, bringing it back to Cardi is another reason why she spoke to me, and that's and that's why I took a like answers.

00:35:33
Speaker 5: I'm sure they were telling that you're a signa in Boo, you're you're that, And she was like, no, I'm pregnant.

00:35:40
Speaker 1: I'm outside, like because Bailly outside women.

00:35:44
Speaker 2: Were having babies but they were hiding it.

00:35:46
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. It was on tour, so I was seven months pregnant. I was on the Triple Threat tour, Bell Biv Devaux, Keith Sweat and Johnny Gillow and I opened up for them till I was seven months pregnant. You know, the workflow, It continues, The workflow continues.

00:36:05
Speaker 3: Did you ever think you would lead into getting into radio?

00:36:09
Speaker 1: No?

00:36:10
Speaker 7: Why did that happen?

00:36:11
Speaker 1: That was an accident. Do y'all remember Steve Smith? Yes, God rest his soul because he passed away. M hm. Steve Smith actually is the person that created Hot ninety seven as what it was the flagship in the first place.

00:36:26
Speaker 5: Right.

00:36:27
Speaker 1: He called my manager one day and by that time he had had certain people in place already at the station. It was newly flipped, and you was there already, and you was at the station before it flipped to hip hop format exactly. She was already there so and I think she worked her way up. She's like foundational at that station, right, flex was there already and I think they had ed and dre on in the morning. And Steve Smith called my manager one day and was like, oh, do you think you could come in and take a meeting with me and you know, to discuss maybe more. He loved being on the radio. So my manager, my manager came from England with me. My manager's name is Steve. He's from Liverpool, right, which is outside of London. So we went. He didn't tell me what we were going there for. In the sack. Spoke to Steve Smith. He's like, what do you think about being on a radio? And I was like, I am on the radio. My music's played on the radio, right, And he was like, no, being an actual radio personality, I was like like a disc jockey like, why would I want to do that? And he was like, I think you have a really good personality. I was like, yeah, but I'm on the other side getting interviewed by the disc jockey. I don't see myself as a disc jockey, right. So he's like, let me teach you, let me help you get your FCC license. What's an FCC license nowadays?

00:37:44
Speaker 6: Huh?

00:37:45
Speaker 1: Nobody needs an FCC license to be on a radio now, but back then you had to have an FCC license. So I trained on air in the unsociable hours so nobody could hear me because there was a lot of mess ups and as a matter of fact, myself a miss Jones, we were training at the same time together on the radio at two o'clock in the morning, talking about our love lives and how we can't stand these men, not realizing the microphone was on. This is the type of mistakes we were making on air at two o'clock in the morning as we trained to get our FCC licenses, you know what I'm saying. So the bottom line, we got out FCC license. I got mine and then I was on weekends on Hot ninety seven. Tracy Cloherty that was working underneath seat or remember Tracy. She used to put me on all the time. And whenever Angie went on vacation or whenever Wendy went on vacation, I was the go to, like, we need you to work two weeks, Wendy's going on vacation for her birthday or whatever it is, we need you to work. Or Angie's taken off of vacation, We need you to work. Angie doesn't want anybody else interviewing her guests, but you can do it. Angie said, she'd trusts you, blah blah blah. So that's how I got my chops in radio, you know. And then I was at Hot ninety seven for ten years. I was there for ten years, and the year that I left and went over to Power one of five to one was when Steve Smith been left Hot ninety seven, went away for a little while, came back and then created Power on a five one. Yeah and yeah, and then I got hired over there. And the year that I my first year of working there was the year when there was a lot of mess happening between Hot ninety seven and Power on a five to one that involved jay Z, that involved NAS that involved some noose hanging thing that was supposed to happen.

00:39:38
Speaker 2: Turning power to switch.

00:39:40
Speaker 5: The first thing they was doing at power is they was making the hardest duties almost that said I made switch.

00:39:48
Speaker 2: That was like that was you got to understand how.

00:39:50
Speaker 5: Named seven in the whole country was known like the first full hip hop station, and they had so much power and leverage in this market. Think about New York City didn't have two stations. It was just High ninety seven. And when Power opened up, the first thing was like your lots come here, say you made this switch. As an artist, you was scared because Hogh ninety seven was saying you could go over there. But if you say you made this switch, don't come back here, come back.

00:40:22
Speaker 1: I mean it was a real you know yo, you know New York so serious. I wasn't. I was. I wasn't. I was the power of five to one, still going this summer jam, like I was chilling the kid. This My daughter just in here right teen at that time, we're going where I'm going to summer jam. She wants to go. I got her tickets. We go. We're sitting in the stands watching the show. Okay, Styles is on stage doing I get it.

00:40:54
Speaker 7: Right every day.

00:40:56
Speaker 1: My daughter's next to me. I get I was like, what every day right? Right? And then while we're there doing that, Patty Duke comes up the stairs to where the section I'm sitting and he's like, you know what's going on at your station right now? With the mean twist face, and I'm like what he was like, nas is on ear right now talking smile. I was like, what that got to do with me. I'm at the concert, my daughter's singing, I get high. I'm like, but it was serious, like the beefing.

00:41:35
Speaker 2: It also happened. You know.

00:41:36
Speaker 5: What also happened was because I'm a prime example of that, right, Like prime example I had, Like if I had beef for fifty cent and somebody I thought I was cool here, or I gave an opportunity or I put in the game rocked with them in any way, I was tight.

00:41:54
Speaker 2: I'm just like, Yo, we're not rocking no more. We're not.

00:41:57
Speaker 5: You know it's over like this that you got to pick a side, and I just think all of that Biggie Tupac all that it was the first time that type of stuff was happening, and.

00:42:08
Speaker 2: We didn't really know how to react.

00:42:11
Speaker 5: Now when I look at a hip hop beef, I've seen it forty times a betty, so I really know how this thing's gonna play out, whether in a good way or a bad way. You know, back in the day, somebody disched you you have to jump out. You didn't have to, but that's how it was. You jump out. Now you got eight guys, this and the a fifty cent. Guess what he ain't put gas in the car. He said, I ain't even talking about I don't care.

00:42:38
Speaker 2: And it went away.

00:42:39
Speaker 5: You know, but that's after years of watching rap beefs on fold and what happens and this and this and that. That's after experience. But when that first came out, it was like High ninety seven was the only show in town.

00:42:51
Speaker 2: That power came out of nass up.

00:42:53
Speaker 1: There and what are we gonna do? The world is sad? You know what I wanted to ask you. I know it was real.

00:42:59
Speaker 4: When the label, the label joffer single or drop of project, they send you out in ninety seven, they do whatever they do, boom boom boom.

00:43:09
Speaker 7: Then they pat you on the back.

00:43:10
Speaker 1: Well you got your own relationship with power and then go you take that what the fuck is? That's what I would That's what I wanted to tell ask you.

00:43:19
Speaker 4: You're literally telling me you only supporting me over at this I gotta go hand Lou, that's the fun.

00:43:27
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to ask you to because at that time it was different for me because I hadn't transitioned into being on radio by that time. I was. I was being on air eleven twelve years, so I had transitioned. You guys were still actively putting music out. So how was that.

00:43:48
Speaker 5: I've always been a boss, so like I've always worked my own records. I've always worked like you know. It was different from me. Even George halfway during my career, I had like this debution deals. I didn't have way I gotta I'm signed to the Laby. So the thing I knew, I knew the real politics, like I still know the real politics.

00:44:10
Speaker 2: So the real.

00:44:10
Speaker 5: Politics is Yeah, Hot ninety seven is the grandfather of this shit and they want it, and we gotta be a little bit loyal to them because they did put us in the game. They played Flow Joe first, so we gotta be like that. But they were also telling me Power one on five is owned by a company that owns forty other radio stations. So if you try to front on Power one O five, they will not play your shit in America. So now what do you want? You want to keep it real way hot ninety seven. Meanwhile, you got call it what it is. You got dictators like ebro on fucking hot ninety seven, like you don't come here, we run this shot he go, people like that.

00:44:54
Speaker 1: So I need my water now, hold on, hold on, I need my yeah, yeah, yeah, I need my water now. People, this is you just now I'm getting a hot flash. You just bought some other ship on this because you're there now.

00:45:10
Speaker 5: No, I'm just trying to say that people like that were like trying to control the game, you know, almost like in the muscle way, but without flexing the muscle. But just like you know, we won't play ship. We've got the number one station, We did this, this and that. And he was quick to be like, yo, matter of fact, we know you've seen that interview when the man told Kodak Black he's the hottest guy in the world. Remember, get out of you if you want leave, Like he was bigger than Kodak Black, like they was. I'm not singling in our ebo because it was a lot of that ship there when they felt like, y'all, we birthed y'all this, we got to them, and then y'all going over there.

00:45:50
Speaker 1: But what day was up against.

00:45:53
Speaker 5: What they didn't realize is that that station came with forty other stations. So it was like, do you want to be the hottest on High ninety seven, which we all know and loved, or you want to get played in forty other stations. Now if you go over here, you say, fuk power, You're done in the country.

00:46:13
Speaker 1: Yo. It was that type of shit.

00:46:16
Speaker 5: Going on, and so you had the final way to finagle both situations.

00:46:22
Speaker 1: It was hard, That's what I thought. It was just really really really hard. And it's not fair because y'all, but you had to do. We just want to make That's what I'm saying, y'all. As an artist, you shouldn't have to worry about that. You shouldn't have to worry about that. Should just be creating, you know, the art, and then let that rock and then bring it to the cities and perform it. Shouldn't have to worry about the politics of the radio stations, which none of us own. Shares in. You know what I'm saying. So that's that's what and that is that is my lass.

00:46:57
Speaker 5: What you say ya, he said, say it's slow walk slow to talk slow to them. Yeah, that's like motherfucker's dying over the hood talking about this my block.

00:47:07
Speaker 2: They don't own ship, not.

00:47:09
Speaker 1: Even the ship. They live it, you know. But but that is why bringing it back to me being at the concert when that was happening, and that whole thing was happening on air, on power with nas and all of that.

00:47:20
Speaker 5: You know, that's why thaithing yo, I just got a better job, but we still family.

00:47:25
Speaker 1: I worked with y'all fi which exactly, and my daughter wanted to come to summer jam. Like I knew that it.

00:47:34
Speaker 4: Was cracking ship when I went to one of the women, the other one that a little radio over there playing.

00:47:39
Speaker 7: The other one than the other one that a little ready.

00:47:42
Speaker 4: Oh it was listening to what every Yeah, you know the power They got a little radio tuned in in ninety seven.

00:47:49
Speaker 5: You go over there, simony, tell me a couple of female artists that you respect their contribution to the game, you know, from day one till now.

00:48:01
Speaker 1: Oh, I love this question. Okay, Pebbly Pooh. I love me some Pebbly Pooh because when I first came here and people in this country first started hurting hearing me rhyme, a lot of the elders at that time, when I was a baby in the game told me that I remind them of Pebbly Pooh. And so I started listening to her, and she instantly was like one of my favorites. Roxanne Chante put the battery in my back because because she was fearless, she was fearless. She'd take on anyone, anywhere, anytime, doesn't matter. So watching her and listening to her that gave me the courage that I needed to leave, to leave the bathroom and not stop being a toothbrush in the mirror wrapper. She put the battery in my back. I would say that Salt and Pepper to me, all of the girls that are that embrace their bodies in their image today to me, took a page out of Salt and Pepper's book because they were really Yeah, they were the the that's for sure. Shout out to sorts yea, yeah, yeah, they beyond legend. Yeah yeah. And then of course my immediate sisters like like I went to school with. I went to George Wingate High School in Brooklyn.

00:49:30
Speaker 2: Like, yes, she was a superstar, very young.

00:49:33
Speaker 1: She was a superstar then when I was going high school with her, Yes, she was a super star video yes high school, yes, yeah, yes, And on Friday nights gets get special ability to be able to be that young and be able to walk up in the Latin.

00:49:48
Speaker 2: Quarters, And.

00:49:50
Speaker 1: I was so jealous. I would was her world like she was. She was a kid phenom EMC wow yeah mc mc like is that.

00:50:01
Speaker 5: Around the time Special Land was killing your special language?

00:50:06
Speaker 2: Especially remember we used to think he had like a fake.

00:50:09
Speaker 3: Hand, right who used to think especially had faked that was a room and the head started.

00:50:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, he always hit his hand inside.

00:50:20
Speaker 1: Signing the video for I got it made because they filmed it in winter a Grand Army Plaza first. That was the beginning. That was the beginning to kill on all three. Show Man Light is just incredible.

00:50:38
Speaker 5: I like where she's at, Yeah, yeah, where her voice she's doing voiceovers now and now for movie.

00:50:44
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah that.

00:50:45
Speaker 5: Was every day and she's producing and directed movie a lot of stuff.

00:50:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was that, she was that kid back then that was just like you still in high school and you tearing up a club on her Friday night, like what you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Light, Light was And I didn't tell her that I could rhyme. I was at George Ringate High School for like six months my mother moved here. I was living at my grandparents' house on East twenty eighth Street between Clarendon and could Till You in Brooklyn, and I went to the high school and I met Light and we were cool. But I did not tell her that I could rhyme, because I'm like what, She comes to school on a Monday with stories about being up in the same club as Big Daddy came getting on stage after him. What do I have to say? I have nothing. I'm not telling her that I even utter a word much less. It wasn't until I went to England and then she came over there doing shows and obviously knew me because we went to high school. And then I told her I also do this w yeah you know it. It was then and then you know, we got tight as far as on the artistic level also, so that was pretty cool. But yeah, she was that kid. Yeah, those are the ones that I would honestly say influenced me. Put the battery in my back, gave me the gusto, allowed me to feel brave to enter this world.

00:52:12
Speaker 7: You know that those were diff Oh your first big show, yo.

00:52:26
Speaker 1: My first big show was that the New Music Seminar when I was the formed Ladies first with Latisa for the first time. It was at some high school in Manhattan somewhere, because the New Music Seminar happened every year as the Marriott Marquee Hotel exactly all the all the labels had all their top artists or new artists that they wanted to showcase the show off. That makes sense.

00:52:49
Speaker 5: Going to see Clark, he had a battle and we was online and he had my vinyl from my album. I'm like, man, how you my album wasn't even I don't feel like four months outter.

00:53:01
Speaker 2: I'm like, how you get the buying and was like, yo, I'm a DJ. Wecame tight from there.

00:53:06
Speaker 1: That's it, so way before that, because you know, do you gotta remember I'm old compared to you young'in's right. I did perform at the New Music Seminar, and that's when Latifa performed because Tommy Boy was putting her as one of their new artists at the time to perform in a showcase, a Tommy Boys showcase. So I was there. I performed, and I never will forget that Guru ran up to me at the end of the performance. It was the first time I ever performed Ladies First. I hadn't heard Ladies First for six months after it was recorded, until the day I had to perform it on stage with Latifa at that show shot. Him shoved me in the bathroom with a walkman.

00:53:50
Speaker 7: With a walkman.

00:53:53
Speaker 1: And said, just listen to it over and over and over. We go on in ten minutes. What And that's why I did And I was scared and I didn't want to come out the bathroom special led with then knocking.

00:54:03
Speaker 7: Your mooney, you gotta come out, You're gonna come out. I'm like, I'm.

00:54:09
Speaker 1: Going to crap myself. I'm so scared, got up, went into autopilot, performed it, tore it down like Latifa tore it down when she did Ladies First and brought me out, tore it down right, ran up to.

00:54:23
Speaker 7: Me, Yo, I didn't know you karame like that, And.

00:54:30
Speaker 1: That was like so special to me that Guru did that. That's actually why on my epeds out now I redid skills. But a mil Is did the hook. Mmm yeah, a retirement and mil did the hook on that. What's the name of the latest project. It's called love Notes. Yeah, love Notes. Everybody out there Love Notes. But that's a tribute to Google. And that's the only reason why Emil did it is for hip hop, because it was a tribute to Guru. That's the only reason why she did it. Because she flat out was, I'm not messing with this no more. Mom, I'm so far removed from any of this. I'm not And so she was like, the only reason why I'm doing this mode is for you and for Gouru and for hip hop. And that's the only reason why she she she got on that hook.

00:55:26
Speaker 2: Respect.

00:55:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, man, that that that that was a tribute to him. You know, shout out to E Love Hello J Camp. They lost a brother. Yeah, I gotta do it.

00:55:44
Speaker 2: That was that.

00:55:48
Speaker 1: In every video, Like we knew this is e you know what I'm saying. So rest in peace to eat.

00:55:55
Speaker 5: You know, that's crazy because the way you just did that. That's how I always looked at Eric Beach.

00:56:01
Speaker 1: I thought he was the originator.

00:56:03
Speaker 4: I thought he was the originator, he said, the originator of ice grilled.

00:56:07
Speaker 5: Though he was the originator of ice grill, he was one of the originators of fly. They had all the jury on. He was the first one with like, I don't know, I'm just saying to sometimes when I say, like historical facts, Mellie Meller, come into d M somebody come and be like, somebody call you, because, like you said, Joe's our little brother. Everybody feels like that. So if I say something and the timeline is or something like that, they'll hit me.

00:56:39
Speaker 1: Which reminds me, since you say this, I'm fried.

00:56:45
Speaker 2: Don't debate me on it.

00:56:46
Speaker 1: He goes right to the flying with it.

00:56:48
Speaker 2: I get it wrong all the time.

00:56:50
Speaker 1: No, but listen, let me just give everybody the quick synopsis. Right. So I love this show.

00:56:55
Speaker 2: Right.

00:56:55
Speaker 1: So I watched the show and I saw Joe say something one day when he was like, you know, when when when daylight was on here and I was like, and Joe was like, you know, I wish she would have came out with something on her own. And I was like, I was at a radio station event for the station U because I'm gonna kiss one A four point one in Atlanta from three to seven on weekdays and every day.

00:57:14
Speaker 9: Right.

00:57:15
Speaker 1: So, I was actually at an event for the station when I when I saw the clip, so I hit pass, but wait, pass looked so confused in clip right because it's like he's thinking about it, but it's like so then I was like, I filmed myself saying Joe, come on, Joe.

00:57:35
Speaker 5: I was like, come on, Joe, let me miss think starning you. The part you're missing is that I called you phenomenal super No.

00:57:42
Speaker 1: I didn't miss none of that. Oh no, No, I didn't miss none of that. I didn't miss none of that. I was just like, I'm gonna get him in his ribs. I was like, I'm gonna get Joey in his ribs.

00:57:52
Speaker 2: I got that message from you.

00:57:53
Speaker 5: I was confused, No, because of the I'm going to get the third moves and one blue jeans and I.

00:58:03
Speaker 1: No, I get it. Let me make it make sense for your viewers, right, why don't you tell them when you first moved to Miami. I am going to let me make it make seed. That's that. That is how far Joe goes back with me. Right, let me make it make sense to your viewers. So I filmed myself after I saw that clip, and I was like, come on, Joe, we're gonna help you out. I had two albums out, Joe.

00:58:26
Speaker 7: I'm gonna help you out. We're gonna help you out.

00:58:28
Speaker 1: Right like that now, So the average person that doesn't know our history, that doesn't know our connection, and it's fair. I don't expect everybody to know, right, that's fair. But the one thing that I do not like about the viral explosion and social media platforms is that it has given way to a false sense of entitlement. So people get on and their thumbs be gangsterized, right, and they start to type all this craziness right now. Granted, you don't know how far this man and I go back. You don't know this man is like a little brother to me. You don't know that my ex road manager that passed away and and has created so much avenues for several artists in hip hop culture period, right, was my road manager put this young man on the map. See he's special to me. You don't know all of that, right, See if little gangster thumbs get on on Instagram and start to say all kinds of wild stuff, get right, say all kinds of wild stuff to me right about how I'm speaking to Joey. You don't get to tell me how I speak to Joey, because that's my little brother. And if you have a little brother in your household that may have skipped something, missed something in your opinion, and you want to get get him in his ribs, you can do that. Joey and his family look out for me and my family. When we first moved to Miami, I had no radio job. I left Philly. I didn't I was doing radio in Philly. I left Philly. I went to Miami with my kids. I left a bad relationship in Philly, picked up my kids, went to Miami with nothing but my kids and whatever we had, whatever we could have, right, no radio job, no shows, no nothing happening, right. Joey and Lorena picked me and my kids up, took us out to his house. You were in plantation at the time. Took us out to his mansion, fed us, took care of us. You know, it was like, what do you need? They put together a care package for us because we're newly in Miami, right with nothing. Okay, there were ups, there were downs in this business. It was the the it was a down right give us a care package, pots, pans, towels, necessities, everything that you need in a brand new apart when you're starting now, right, And that's when I first got to Miami. This is within the first week, right looked out for us. You know what I'm saying, But again, I don't expect anybody to notice off the back. But the point to what I'm saying is relax on on on on social media. Okay, no, seriously, relax because the people know.

01:01:22
Speaker 5: They said, I'm gonna stop attacking the guys.

01:01:27
Speaker 2: To do that, he said, now it's time.

01:01:29
Speaker 5: He told me, Yo, I need you to stop, Joe, stop attacking these guys.

01:01:33
Speaker 2: I'm like, he said, Yo, Joe, I need you to stop.

01:01:36
Speaker 1: So I'm stopping.

01:01:38
Speaker 2: I'm letting mon stop.

01:01:41
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and then and then and then I wound up taking the post down because people were saying wild stuff towards me, and people were saying wild stuff towards you, And I was like, that wasn't my intent with my post.

01:01:56
Speaker 5: And Bony immediately was like, Bonie, we fucking love you, We worship you. You know I love you. Don't take this no wrong way. Sometimes I say some shit that gets mister shude and I'm crazy and people know that shit side it's the truth a thousand Sometimes he allered you do with me?

01:02:15
Speaker 2: He was like, yo, Mody, I'm like, yo.

01:02:20
Speaker 5: Look, I can't even with this guy right here. But what I'm saying is the way you know your career was laid out right, it's that energy, right, It's an energy, and now it's actually the same thing like so so say French Wantana, right, French Wantana.

01:02:39
Speaker 2: I got his demo wayed on nobody.

01:02:44
Speaker 5: They had beef with the powers that be and nobody was playing they shit and they was bubbling in the street.

01:02:51
Speaker 2: I took this shit and was like, yo, he from the Bronx. You know you playing this.

01:02:57
Speaker 5: I don't want to say it like that, but you know I had to do that as soon as they played it. Six months later, he was a superstar and had popped at but the energy was he was already bubbling in the streets.

01:03:08
Speaker 2: Give him the song.

01:03:09
Speaker 1: That's that?

01:03:10
Speaker 2: What's that joint?

01:03:12
Speaker 1: Sure you got pretend to see that.

01:03:15
Speaker 5: And then six months later he had a song with Drake and Rick Ross and he's a superstar, but it's an energy. So Fat Joe got flowed Joe and then Elo koolj puts me on.

01:03:27
Speaker 2: I shotcha.

01:03:29
Speaker 5: So you hear it coming. This happens with every artist. It's a it's a it's an energy. And I've always felt like your energy for being on Buddy and Ladies first and all that, maybe if now you'd have been.

01:03:44
Speaker 2: Even bigger than you were.

01:03:47
Speaker 5: That's what I was trying to allude to, you know, That's what I was trying to get out, like saying, like, you know mony love to me. Of course we know you legendary. Of course we know you got classic goblems. Of course we know.

01:04:01
Speaker 1: But you know how they classified you. See, you gotta do it. Give him some time. How long did it? How long was the six months? I know it was four months.

01:04:15
Speaker 2: You're the first thing he did. He walked there.

01:04:17
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know you gotta apologize. I'thing like apologize. This is all stuff we know they don't know.

01:04:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, off comments like you just said.

01:04:32
Speaker 5: You know what, you know, there's a resurgence in the originators like this year we had they love, we had go nas and.

01:04:45
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're absolutely right, you have.

01:04:47
Speaker 2: A problem and for a long qualm.

01:04:51
Speaker 1: Different kids. He got a joint. Now I used to love Man and and somebody.

01:04:57
Speaker 5: I wanted to say earlier, but I didn't want to cut you because you know, that's my new wolves around here.

01:05:02
Speaker 2: They don't let me because they were lost.

01:05:04
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a new one, okay, right, even though I try to tell him the DNA is all right.

01:05:10
Speaker 1: It's working.

01:05:12
Speaker 5: Shout out to Chubb Rock. He's somebody you'll study. He's somebody'll studied.

01:05:17
Speaker 3: Like you said you were.

01:05:20
Speaker 1: Ever ever Green episode. Chubb was the first person that was going to sign the lot. That's no what. Yeah, we were supposed to say we was gonna sign with Chubb. Chub was up for Chub first.

01:05:36
Speaker 2: I remember making my first out wait to wait a minute.

01:05:39
Speaker 1: You can't just say that and then be like, no, you got to tell I gotta bring here that.

01:05:49
Speaker 4: I really remember everything and Chuck, you gotta bring Chubb up here.

01:05:54
Speaker 1: Then yeah, okay, okay, Dave, make that happen.

01:05:58
Speaker 5: You know, recresents all of you know. They gave me the key to the city and it was a big day for me. Like right, they gave me the key. This wasn't my city.

01:06:12
Speaker 3: They gave me mad keys. None of them is in my city. Gave me Jersey City East Orange mad ship.

01:06:20
Speaker 1: I see.

01:06:23
Speaker 5: They gave the match. They gave me that he's some ship, fright. We got days all of that they didn't give me. I think they might have gave it Pee that's might got a key. Why never gave me ship?

01:06:37
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

01:06:37
Speaker 7: I didn't give me.

01:06:38
Speaker 5: Jersey City New Building a wild like the stated are crazy out of this world.

01:06:43
Speaker 7: Can't fitch your sneakers in me. You chucked it out city, you sneakers.

01:06:51
Speaker 1: The outside.

01:06:54
Speaker 5: It's like that building you lived in a Jersey that the fucking apartment was this little, but it was the Flyes Building.

01:07:00
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you never let me say my story. I'm sorry.

01:07:02
Speaker 5: So while I got the key to the city, the whole Bronx is out there, crazy and on your beach. I turned around and Chubb Rock is just happens to be standing on stage. I stopped the whole ship and I told them how much he influenced me in front of everybody. You know, the Bronce was out there, soldier. I was like your child. Because a lot of time, as men, right in this type of business, we don't really sit people down and tell them how much they influenced us, or how much you know, we'll save what's.

01:07:35
Speaker 2: Up, We'll be cordial head at but we don't grab them and be like yo.

01:07:38
Speaker 5: Look when I did that represent album, my first album, I was listening to chrub Roy chub Rock's tape. I kept playing that every day before I wrote the next song. I just his flows. No, She'll say say, is is grobo cops? Well, the biggest line on that was remember use of hawks.

01:08:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were just talking about him today too.

01:08:10
Speaker 2: And I've seen Sean Bell's wife. She has a movie.

01:08:14
Speaker 1: There's a movie out absolutely shout out the many, yep, man.

01:08:19
Speaker 5: So I just seen them at Trust thee called Nicole Bell Bell Experience.

01:08:24
Speaker 1: If y'all don't know who shown.

01:08:26
Speaker 5: The kid got killed a day before his wedding in New York City back in the day. So his wife put out a movie. But you know what's crazy is the action because you know, now I'm mature whatever whatever. But back in the days, I was the most harassed person from the police in the universe. And I caught asked whippers like I don't understand killing yourself or being But I got bullied more than anybody in the world, Like I got beat up by the cops more than you could ever think in your life. So they invite me one day to a what was it, a Black Lives Matter police summit, and I come up in there and you know, in great tradition, if you're thinking new music seminar, what would Chuck d say?

01:09:12
Speaker 1: What? You know?

01:09:13
Speaker 2: I was in the crowd watching all this.

01:09:15
Speaker 5: So when they put me on a panel and it was like, yeah, you know this, this, that, and they think I'm that Joda rapper, and I said, remember use of Hawkins when you walking?

01:09:24
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that was the.

01:09:25
Speaker 2: First line I said.

01:09:26
Speaker 5: And they knew all he came on bullshit, right, They knew the police he came on bullshit. I'm telling the man, Louimba Sean Belle, he's the wrong guy to bring up bays. They were like, oh no, he know too much, Like let's get him off the stage run you know a line like that. The consciousness in music care Rest did that for me too. I remember hopping the train, were talking about the Walkman, and I'm thinking it's just gonna be against the album.

01:09:53
Speaker 2: I'll put in criminal Minder.

01:09:54
Speaker 5: He's like heir plane's flying overseas, people dying, politicians lying, and I'm sitting there like.

01:10:01
Speaker 1: Yo, what the fuck does he talk?

01:10:03
Speaker 2: But it opened us up to conscious.

01:10:06
Speaker 1: Carris One used to shut his show down and start straight up talking like Malcolm X to somebody, Seriously, does anybody remember car Wash? The no the club car Wash? Don't know? Okay again, I'm showing my age, which I have no problem doing.

01:10:22
Speaker 2: Right, Karen.

01:10:24
Speaker 1: Chris used to shut the show down halfway through and start talking and dropping all that knowledge. Nothing. Oh, nobody left, nobody left.

01:10:35
Speaker 2: Nobody, And then he got, oh you know who else did that?

01:10:40
Speaker 5: Nos? Nos with that eat your panther kings and they cut off the nose, right, I don't I care?

01:10:49
Speaker 2: Yo? He was dropping jewels on that.

01:10:52
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, and that's we missing that you're missing out of hip hop today. People dropping them type of jewels where the next generation could feel proud and know where they came from, because we don't know where we came from. I was in the car we rich the ball, and I was like, yo, you know they chopped off the noses in the statues in Egypt because they had black noses, Nigga noses, tell us.

01:11:19
Speaker 2: But they chopped their nose off.

01:11:22
Speaker 1: European son. So but this was deep.

01:11:27
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying this, This was deep.

01:11:29
Speaker 7: And you ever finding nose?

01:11:34
Speaker 1: Iron?

01:11:35
Speaker 2: She want something for the nose?

01:11:37
Speaker 1: You know that happened.

01:11:38
Speaker 7: Somebody found their notes.

01:11:40
Speaker 5: It's the first story that the people said, I ain't cat.

01:11:43
Speaker 1: I never knew Iron.

01:11:44
Speaker 2: She got arrested.

01:11:45
Speaker 1: Everything. Somebody's just saying, nobody knows.

01:11:48
Speaker 2: Nobody knows.

01:11:49
Speaker 1: No.

01:11:50
Speaker 5: I told the story last time iron Ic. We bumped into Iron. Shek the wrestler and he was from Iran. So he comes by with some Mexican dude. They drinking liquor. He asks for some liqu perhaps some liquor.

01:12:04
Speaker 2: They gave him.

01:12:04
Speaker 5: The guy soon smoking weed. Thirty minutes state he come by, perhaps some weed. He came back thirty minutes stady, he said, perhaps something for the nose. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, Yo, don't give the Iron seek something for the.

01:12:21
Speaker 1: Yo, Yeah, I want nothing with.

01:12:24
Speaker 5: Soa birabl I watched all the comments, was like, first of all, I didn't know he had a nickname.

01:12:29
Speaker 2: His nickname is shiky Baby.

01:12:32
Speaker 5: So in the comments, everybody who knew him off wrestling was saying, yo, that's shaky baby. He used to get get arrested every week for cocaine yo. He used to This is that like they were, Like Joe did.

01:12:44
Speaker 2: Not cap on this.

01:12:47
Speaker 5: That's crazy Joe and Jay the baby. Let's go legendary. This ain't that, That ain't this.

01:12:52
Speaker 1: It's cracking.

01:12:53
Speaker 2: Kiss makes so noise for Mody Law.

01:13:00
Speaker 7: Get that new album, Love Notes EP.

01:13:03
Speaker 1: Love Notes EP

01:13:09
Speaker 5: M