Episode 91 - The History of The Amityville Horror

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<v Speaker 1>[inaudible]

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<v Speaker 2>Hello everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>And welcome to the lunatics radio hour podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Abby Brinker.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here with Alan Kodak.

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<v Speaker 2>And today we are talking about the truth behind the Amityville horror.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to peel back the curtain of mystery here though.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's not, it's pretty, uh, broadly understood, I think, but we're going to talk about the true events that inspired the film and the

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<v Speaker 3>Book film or films.

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<v Speaker 2>Well films, I didn't realize before taking on this topic that there's like 32 films total.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>This'll be a deep dive into every single one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it certainly isn't.

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<v Speaker 2>But we will talk about the original film and we will talk about a lot of real life events that went into it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>And how the film plays into this story, because it does meaning, right.

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<v Speaker 2>That it perpetuates certain versions of, of the events.

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<v Speaker 3>So w what do you mean by the film perpetuates the true events?

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean that the version of things that happen as represented in the film right, and is, is said based on the film and opens, right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's based on true events, which is true, but it's based on claims of a family that may or may not be a little bit different than how they're portrayed in the film.

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>So people assume because the film, you know, title card says based on true events, that the Amityville hauntings were accurate or happened, that it's almost like a documentary.

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<v Speaker 2>I see those things were claimed to have happened, but there's a lot of conflicting evidence around them that we're going to talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>Gotcha.

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<v Speaker 3>So, right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's I forget what the nomenclature is, where there it's like, based on true story, based on real events, there's a whole bunch of like different vernacular that is required based on how much Liberty you're taking when you're trying to claim something actually happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the complexity is that it's based on the claims of the family, but the claims of the family are what we're going to call into question today.

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<v Speaker 2>I see.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is bringing up thoughts for me, relevant thoughts, because I'm kind of deep right now into this documentary series is two seasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you are called Hellyer and it's

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<v Speaker 3>Tell them what's about,

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not going to tell you the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say it's paranormal in nature.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's about a group of paranormal investigators who are contacted somebody from Hellyer Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're saying there is something that is terrorizing my family, my house here's photos, like there's all this back and forth.

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<v Speaker 2>And it sort of kicks off this major investigation, which certainly evolves away from sort of like the idea of goblins, which is really what the focus is into something bigger spoilers.

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<v Speaker 2>If you were into moth man at all,

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<v Speaker 3>We love Mossman here.

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<v Speaker 3>It

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<v Speaker 2>Is definitely worth checking out.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, I just finished there's two seasons.

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<v Speaker 2>I just finished the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to get you to watch it so we could kind of discuss it more deeply at some point, but it is very fascinating to me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also really, well-made, it's like cinematic to watch there, you know, some of the investigators double as filmmakers, so it's just very well done.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's, it feels professional.

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<v Speaker 2>It's intriguing whether or not you kind of buy into the paranormal.

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<v Speaker 3>It's incredibly professional.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, of what I've seen of the series, because we watched the first episode together and it it's really cool.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really well done.

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<v Speaker 3>And like, I'm someone that doesn't really enjoy paranormal investigation shows.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, but this one, this one got me.

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<v Speaker 2>And also just the, the setup for me is what's so intriguing about it because they get this email from this guy to this, like, it's a whole thing, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Weird goes into a weird account, this, that, and the other thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But they have this correspondence with this real person who sends photos and there's all of this back and forth, which regardless of again, whether or not you believe in the paranormal part, which I do, you have to acknowledge that somebody, either something's emails, somebody saw this group out and ask them to help.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they get emails from other people, like as the series goes on.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's something about that, that I just can't like, let go of, because it could be something really creepy or it could be something really intriguing.

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<v Speaker 2>What's so

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<v Speaker 3>Odd about a professional being hired to do what they do.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's the thing, that's odd.

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<v Speaker 2>This group of professionals, professional paranormal investigators.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how old they are out there, at least in their thirties.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they're like adults, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they are.

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<v Speaker 2>They have, uh, you know, like you could contact them easily through any of the channels where they are adult professional paranormal investigators.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>The email though comes in to this old email, that one of the main guys, Greg, he, when he was like 12 or 13, him and his friends, like, you know, a long time ago had like a silly thing you do when you're teenagers.

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Like we're a pair where the local paranormal investigators and they made silly videos and they uploaded it to this website and they kept to the website close

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<v Speaker 3>To home.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they kept the website active because it was cute and they wanted to have the memories of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the email comes into that website, which he checks, like, I think he says like every six months or once a year or something.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he just happened to check it.

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<v Speaker 2>And he had just gotten this email from this guy or had been a little while.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, if you look at the website, which they show on the show, it's so amateur looking, it's like, why would you email a group of 12 year olds?

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<v Speaker 2>Which is what it looks like, because it hasn't been updated in however many years and ask them for help.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just like a weird that's, what's weird about it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like he emailed this guy through his like adult professional channels.

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<v Speaker 2>He reached out to him through like an old thing.

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<v Speaker 2>When he was a kid, it was like, he just Googled his name and, and like found the first way to reach out to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he says, somebody put like, somebody pointed me in your direction.

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<v Speaker 2>Like somebody told me that you're going to be the one to help.

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<v Speaker 2>And then eventually that person emails them.

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<v Speaker 2>So it just kind of like, so regardless of what I, what the point of what I, the, my hook right here it comes is that people are actually emailing them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, it's not just like, they're going into a cave by themselves because they heard that there's ghost stories there.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole reason that they're getting involved is that real people in real life or emailing them and feeding them information.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the part that's interesting to me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, who are these people?

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<v Speaker 2>Why are they doing this?

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<v Speaker 2>Why did they reach out to them?

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<v Speaker 2>Why did they reach out to them through this weird website?

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<v Speaker 2>What's up with that?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they're professional investigators,

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<v Speaker 2>But they reached out to them through this weird channel.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So they don't appear to be adult investigators.

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<v Speaker 2>They appear to be kids and the website.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not weird to you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like if you had like a YouTube channel from when you were making films right.

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<v Speaker 2>In middle school and you ha that's what you did, you uploaded them there.

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<v Speaker 2>And somebody contacted, commented on one of your videos or messaged you or whatever on YouTube and was like, Hey, based on this, I want to hire you to work on my film for, you know, for an academy award.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, I'm an adult sound mixer and videographer.

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<v Speaker 2>And I have websites and other like ways you can get in touch with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Why would you email me here?

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<v Speaker 2>You don't think that's weird.

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<v Speaker 3>I suppose if it happened to me, I'd be like, huh, that's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And the point is that it's not just like, oh, we're going into an old house.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're listening.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, there's some third party influence that is either setting them up for something or really desperately wants their help.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's hard to understand which, you know, as you watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Like they travel to Kentucky, they're from Canada.

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<v Speaker 2>They traveled to Kentucky to try to help this person visit these emails, how to real life consequences for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't seem that interested.

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<v Speaker 3>I I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it seems like an interesting situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't see the paranormal hook.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they get down to Kentucky and then there's stuff that they do.

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<v Speaker 2>Like they investigate and weird happens.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not telling you the paranormal hook.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you the real life hook.

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<v Speaker 2>Cause I thought you'd be more sympathetic to that cause.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you hate

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<v Speaker 3>Ghosts.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate ghosts also.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say it's really more so about like aliens and other dimensions than paranormal ghosts, but I, yeah, but I kind of classify that all as paranormal.

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<v Speaker 3>Th this is a series I'm really excited to check out.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, I love the way that it was put together.

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<v Speaker 3>Um, I, this has been, this series has been recommended to me by, uh, multiple people already, uh, including one very, uh, trusted other spooky filmmaker.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, you got to check

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<v Speaker 2>This out more trusted than me.

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<v Speaker 2>No,

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 3>Second, second check.

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<v Speaker 3>Second trusted.

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<v Speaker 3>But speaking of paranormal investigation shows my, the very first paranormal investigation show that I ever worked on, which was called

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<v Speaker 2>You.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to say that on this podcast?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want them to come at us.

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<v Speaker 3>Good luck.

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<v Speaker 3>We we've we've lawyered up.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was only a pilot.

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<v Speaker 3>It never, it never took off.

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<v Speaker 3>However, one of the professional paranormal investigators.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's like a team of, you know, celebrity, paranormal investigators.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, one of the guys was one of the lead investigators from the Amityville horror.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I wonder if we'll talk about him today.

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<v Speaker 2>Quite

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<v Speaker 3>Possibly.

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<v Speaker 3>Except I don't remember his name.

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<v Speaker 2>So he was an older guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>What was your, like, what is you feel about him when you met him?

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<v Speaker 3>I thought he brought so much, you all, I mean, he brought so much clout to the show, which is why he got hired to be one of the hosts.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, when you have, like, I think Amityville horror is like probably the only household name of a paranormal experience.

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<v Speaker 3>I honestly can't even think of the single other one that people who aren't like, oh, well, let me tell you all about my hobby.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, w you know, would know, right.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was really interested to like, watch this guy's methods and his workflow and be like, oh my God, how is he going to find the ghost?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll, you know, I'll keep it ambiguous.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>He may or may not have been a big fat phony, but it was still is, it was interesting to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's really interesting that you feel like Amityville is such a household haunting name, and I don't disagree with you at all, but I think that's very interesting, especially considering what I know now about this case, which we will all learn together over the course of this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't want to minimize, because there is real tragedy that happened there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think there's, there, there, there is some interesting evidence on both sides, but I want to check in with you on that at the end of this and see how you feel about it.

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<v Speaker 3>So, I mean, I say household name, because again, I can't think of another paranormal experience.

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Can you,

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>But we have very different interests.

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<v Speaker 3>What I mean is like, can you think of another one that Joe Schmoe did that minister Mr.

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<v Speaker 3>Schmoe would know?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, no.

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<v Speaker 2>I think like, I think regardless Amityville certainly is one of the more popular or famous paranormal claims because of the film

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<v Speaker 3>Because of the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>And actually as soon as you said that, is there another real life haunting that got made into a movie?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>So many the moth man.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>An endless amount.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me one more.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm sure Enfield, poacher guys has inspired a lot, was that the shining is based on real things

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<v Speaker 3>And Spire Poltergeist.

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<v Speaker 2>It could have, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd have to look into it, but

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think any of these movies start with like, based on relevance.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the shining, like Stephen King had an experience at the Stanley hotel.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So no, it wasn't one-to-one right.

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<v Speaker 2>He fictionalized and expanded it by a thousand percent, but like one thing that's really interesting actually that is very related to this is so a lot of the cases that the Warrens have investigated the ed and Lorraine Warren, the Connecticut base, very famous paranormal investigator, a couple have been turned into films like the conjuring films, all of these things are based on.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why, part of the reason why Amityville has 32 films and it's, and it's a sequels yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Anthology because they're counting the ed and Lorraine film versions of these events as all kind of like sequels of each other.

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<v Speaker 2>So like the conjuring two are being counted in sequels of Amityville, but those are based on different events at the Warren's investigated.

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<v Speaker 3>The Warren's did Amityville.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I forgot that the Warrens were like, was this their first claim to fame?

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<v Speaker 2>Um, no.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think they were established enough because they were sort of brought in later on in the case.

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<v Speaker 2>So

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<v Speaker 3>I think they were the first one.

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<v Speaker 3>Um,

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they get brought in after the fact, like after the family moves out Mia, like ed, Lorraine, Warren have had a lot of involvement with some of the stuff we've talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>Like for example, Dudley, townie, Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 2>We did that whole episode on that.

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<v Speaker 2>They went there and they, I will say though, my parents met them a few times and they, we have sort of like a connection to them as a family.

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<v Speaker 2>They always seem to claim things are haunted.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>That's if they didn't they'd lose business.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess so I think we've learned a lot about the annual.

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<v Speaker 2>Should we get into the sources?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>W so my only source is the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So my sources are an article from biography.com called the real Amityville horror, a New York post article by Tamara Lapin, the real Amityville horror, a full documentary, which I definitely took a lot from interviews with George Lutz and Lorraine Warren and Wikipedia in September of 1977 writer, Jay Anson published a novel called the Amityville horror, which was supposedly based on the true life experiences of the Lutz family.

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<v Speaker 2>Though.

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<v Speaker 2>There have been disputes to that claim, which we will discuss today.

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<v Speaker 3>I was trying to think why the Lutz sounds so familiar, but that's because they were in the movie,

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<v Speaker 2>The novel was turned into an iconic horror film with 31 sequels.

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<v Speaker 2>If you count the conjuring movies and a 2005 remake

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<v Speaker 3>Question.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Conjuring and Annabel are the same franchise.

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all worn stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the Annabel doll exists and the Warren's have it like it's, well, they've died, but it's in the Warren's museum of a cult paranormal items.

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<v Speaker 2>You could go visit it today.

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<v Speaker 3>Ha you know what?

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<v Speaker 3>This explains our fun trivia fact from like a thousand episodes ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, the hi.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, actually it was from the deep dive into Halloween of highest grossing film franchises.

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<v Speaker 3>And like the conjuring was like one or two.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's because they've got 32.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>So today we're going to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about from a to Z, what's happened with Amityville, but we're going to start with the true events that inspired the books and the films.

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<v Speaker 2>And this part, I think is lesser known 30 miles outside of New York city at 6:30 PM on November 13th, 1974, Ronald's DeFazio Jr.

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<v Speaker 2>Age 23, the oldest of the DeFazio siblings walked into a local bar called Henry spar in Amityville New York, which is on long island and exclaimed.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to help me.

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<v Speaker 2>I think my mother and my father are shot DeFazio.

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<v Speaker 2>Then let a group of people from the bar back to his home at one 12 ocean avenue on the south shore, the group located to Pharaoh's dead parents shot inside.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone called the police, who soon discovered that there were six deceased individuals in their beds inside the home inside the police discovered the bodies of Ronald's parents, Ronald DeFeo, senior and lowest FAO, both 43 years old.

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<v Speaker 2>And Ronald's four siblings, Dawn 18, Alison age 13, mark 12, and John Matthew.

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<v Speaker 2>They had been killed with a 35 caliber Marlin rifle at three in the morning, the parents had been shot twice in the siblings.

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<v Speaker 2>Only once each all victims were discovered laying face down in the bed, though.

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<v Speaker 2>It was believed that his mother and sister Alison were awake at the time of the murders.

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<v Speaker 2>A post-mortem investigation revealed that a silencer was used.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, which made sense since a Marlon should have been heard from four to five blocks away, but no one heard anything.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously if there wasn't a silence or the rest of the household would have been able to wake up, you know, before he was able to shoot them all sleeping

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<v Speaker 3>Two quick fun facts.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>One silencers aren't actually that quiet, but still like, I guess the house had pretty good walls or something and you know, people were asleep and it may be just didn't set.

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<v Speaker 3>It does just doesn't sound like gunshots.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess second fact, the guy that invented the, uh, automatic machine gun, uh, ended up going deaf because well, all the testing, right?

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<v Speaker 3>His son invented the silencer, but not in time to save his father's hearing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think they all sort of, uh, helped ruin humanity in a way.

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<v Speaker 3>Why?

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to, well, there was one person who heard one thing, which was a neighbor who heard a dog barking in the house between three and 3:30 AM.

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<v Speaker 2>And there was evidence that the victims had been giving a sedative though.

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<v Speaker 2>There's is like a very complicated piece of the story because it was not reflected in the autopsy.

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<v Speaker 2>So some people refute that drugs were ever found in the systems of the bodies.

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<v Speaker 3>When did that come into play?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, well, who said they've they were drugged.

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<v Speaker 2>He was brought up later.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're going to get into it as we go through.

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<v Speaker 3>But sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>You were saying that someone who was walking a dog heard something.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 2>A neighbor heard a dog inside the house barking at like 3:00 AM inside the[inaudible] house and it woke them up.

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<v Speaker 2>Did the dog

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<v Speaker 3>Survive?

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<v Speaker 3>I think so.

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<v Speaker 3>That's important.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no evidence of a struggle.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's something eerie about how methodical the killings were.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It was done very purposefully and strategically and many conspiracy theories sink.

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<v Speaker 2>There must've been an accomplice because in the middle of the night, somehow, even though to your point, he has a silent star.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make it a silent gun.

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<v Speaker 2>He is able to one by one execution style shoe, everyone in their beds, really without much of a struggle and nobody wakes up, nobody escapes, you know, without a sedative that seems or an accomplice.

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<v Speaker 2>It, you know, it seems like a lofty order.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So Ronald Jr.

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Who is the right?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the right word.

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<v Speaker 2>The defendant, the one who is accused of this crime, the oldest son.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>He originally told police that he feared a mob hit man.

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<v Speaker 2>Louis Fellini was behind the killings.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the police actually originally took Ronald into protective custody.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So even though now he's largely known to be the killer,

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<v Speaker 3>Allegedly.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a writ well he's been tried, but he was originally taken into police custody because the first thing he said to place was this is the mob fairly quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>The investigators notice severe inconsistencies with his story.

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<v Speaker 2>And within 24 hours, he confesses to the

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<v Speaker 3>Murders such as what kind of inconsistencies.

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<v Speaker 2>Well also Fellini, the mob person that he accused was out of state with an alibi at the time of the murders, right?

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<v Speaker 3>He was murdering someone else at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>So DeFazio told detectives once I started, I just couldn't stop.

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<v Speaker 2>It went so fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Ronald DeFazio stood trial and was found guilty on November 21st, 1975 on six counts of second degree

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<v Speaker 3>Murder.

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<v Speaker 3>Is there no justice,

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<v Speaker 2>No justice, no peace.

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<v Speaker 2>He was given six sentences of 25 to life.

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<v Speaker 2>And the judge declared defame.

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<v Speaker 2>His crimes were quote, the most heinous murders committed in Suffolk county since its founding and whoa, that's exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>While defame is wild, I look is often compared to Charles Manson, especially as he claimed the devil made him do it during the trial.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, this guy looks like a psychopath.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he probably is.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm no doctor, but

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<v Speaker 3>I think this is from the trial.

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<v Speaker 2>So tho Ronald Jr, and Ronald senior, his dad had a notably unstable relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>There's still no clear motive for the mass killing in the documentary.

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<v Speaker 2>Neighbors describe him as a quote, unquote punk.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a reputation for being a rough kid into drugs, drinking, gambling, fighting with his father in shore.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone immediately assumed that it was Ronnie.

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<v Speaker 2>Like nobody was surprised by that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, though, there is some speculation that the murders were related to his parents' life insurance because DeFazio asked police how he could collect it

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<v Speaker 3>And see that that right there is what the police call a bad.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a good luck.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, and he, and this, this piece of evidence was used against him in the trial.

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<v Speaker 3>Mr.

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<v Speaker 3>DeFazio, did you indeed try to collect your parents' life insurance?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I did

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<v Speaker 3>Well moments after murdering them.

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<v Speaker 2>I also confessed.

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<v Speaker 2>So I guess I'm guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>The, his initial story was that he was watching a war movie and had taken drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>When he woke up, he heard his family whispering in another room, conspiring against him.

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<v Speaker 2>He claimed that a woman with black hands and a hood gave him the rifle.

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<v Speaker 2>Ronald often referred to it as quote unquote, the murder, not the murders, which led people to think he had helped.

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<v Speaker 3>I see.

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<v Speaker 3>But most importantly, what movie was he watching?

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<v Speaker 2>Just described as warm movie?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, could be apocalypse now.

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, 1974.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>We, we could see what was a hit at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the world war one movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, uh, all silent on the Western front.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't watch it and kill your family though.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, watch it though.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>Sober.

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<v Speaker 2>Herman rays was a criminologist that the defense hired and a closed courtroom.

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<v Speaker 2>He told the judge that there was evidence as some of the bodies had been moved after the victims had been killed.

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<v Speaker 2>He also told the judge that he believed multiple weapons had been used, not just a single rifle.

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<v Speaker 2>Additionally, there was a drug enforcement officer who actually had the home under surveillance at the time of the murders.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't come forward until years after the trial.

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<v Speaker 2>But when he did, he told a journalist that he had actually seen Dawn, the oldest sister, you know, under Ronnie.

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<v Speaker 2>So she was 18.

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<v Speaker 2>He saw her.

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<v Speaker 2>So the right, let me, let me say this in a normal way, please.

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<v Speaker 2>At the night of the murder, totally separate from everything we've talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>So far there happened to be like a narc watching the house because of the, you know, there's obviously some drug use going on here.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was a drug enforcement officer surveilling the house, the night of the murders.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't come forward until years later, right

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<v Speaker 3>After he collects his pension.

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<v Speaker 3>But

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<v Speaker 2>When he does, he told a journalist that he had actually seen Dawn the 18 year old sister, leave the house, wearing a hooded jacket, gloves, and carrying a rifle.

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<v Speaker 2>And he

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't find that to be suspicious.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, maybe he did.

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<v Speaker 2>He obviously did, but he didn't come forward at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>So he, according to his claim, she put the rifle in the back seat of her car and drove out to the water.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Or the weapon was later found.

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<v Speaker 2>So she drove out to like the shore area, which happens to be where the rifle was found later.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So some people believe that Don DeFazio was actually responsible for some of the murders.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a conspiracy theory, but we're going to present the findings here.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't our guy, Ronnie D yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Say that a woman with black hands and a hood gave him the gun.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So she was found in close with unburnt powder, which indicates that she may have fired a rifle that night.

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<v Speaker 2>Unburnt powder.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it said in the documentary.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it would have been the back spray or whatever versus the front spray.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's still burned powder.

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<v Speaker 3>I think she would have just been loading ammunition.

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So some theorize, here's the, here's the theory that Ronnie and Dawn siblings had plotted to kill their parents together, but that Ronnie was so stoned or high, whatever he was on, that he was not able to participate.

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<v Speaker 2>So Don committed the murders of the parents, but was unable to stop and also killed the young children.

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<v Speaker 2>Ronnie was so upset that Don had killed the kids that he killed her.

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<v Speaker 2>There are also rumors that Ron and Don had an incestuous relationship, but even if that isn't true, people who knew them often remarked that they were close friends, you know, that they were, they were just tight

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<v Speaker 3>Bosom buddies.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is echoed in the fact that her body was found in the worst condition content warning here, skip ahead.

00:27:36.779 --> 00:27:40.950
<v Speaker 2>But her head was completely exploded from the gunshot blast.

00:27:41.339 --> 00:27:41.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

00:28:08.089 --> 00:28:09.410
<v Speaker 2>So is that all make sense?

00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Right?

00:28:09.950 --> 00:28:13.160
<v Speaker 2>That Ronnie was like a known drug user.

00:28:13.190 --> 00:28:13.430
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:28:13.431 --> 00:28:19.250
<v Speaker 2>So he could have been, I don't know what he was taking, but say he was on like heroin or something really heavy.

00:28:19.789 --> 00:28:24.740
<v Speaker 2>And he sort of hallucinating, he, he doesn't really like, he's watching this war movie.

00:28:24.740 --> 00:28:26.240
<v Speaker 2>He gets really paranoid.

00:28:27.019 --> 00:28:29.509
<v Speaker 2>This woman, who's his sister, hands him the right.

00:28:29.510 --> 00:28:40.009
<v Speaker 2>Like, there's a lot of weird, uh, synchronicities, if you will, in, in this guy coming forward and making these claims later things that originally the police hadn't released, you know?

00:28:40.010 --> 00:28:44.960
<v Speaker 2>So it's just interesting, but it could all be a conspiracy theory and he could have just snapped and killed his family.

00:28:46.130 --> 00:28:47.059
<v Speaker 3>I mean, okay.

00:28:47.089 --> 00:28:53.599
<v Speaker 3>I see the lure of the conspiracy theorists cause already I'm like, well, this could do this or this could be here.

00:28:54.289 --> 00:28:54.950
<v Speaker 3>And you know yeah.

00:28:54.980 --> 00:29:01.069
<v Speaker 3>If he's addicted to drugs, you know, something that just get, you know, basically taking crazy pills.

00:29:01.099 --> 00:29:01.460
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:29:01.819 --> 00:29:07.609
<v Speaker 3>You know, if he's mixing heroin and meth or something that he's just out of his mind all the time.

00:29:08.089 --> 00:29:08.089
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:29:08.180 --> 00:29:18.950
<v Speaker 3>And they have this whole insurance and life insurance policy, which would fuel the drug habit and she has her own, you know, nefarious motives.

00:29:20.059 --> 00:29:21.470
<v Speaker 3>They have this whole plan.

00:29:21.500 --> 00:29:24.950
<v Speaker 3>And then he is just, she does all the murder.

00:29:24.980 --> 00:29:26.660
<v Speaker 3>Most of them, or he does some of the murder.

00:29:26.869 --> 00:29:27.380
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't remember,

00:29:27.380 --> 00:29:29.210
<v Speaker 2>Well, either way sh he heals her.

00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:29.900
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:29:30.500 --> 00:29:32.509
<v Speaker 2>And so that's why, because she ends up dead.

00:29:32.510 --> 00:29:36.740
<v Speaker 2>So even if you believe that she was part of this, she was executed that night.

00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:44.630
<v Speaker 2>So that's why when people think was, he always says the murder that she killed everybody else, but you know herself and he killed her.

00:29:44.690 --> 00:29:45.890
<v Speaker 2>That's what some people think.

00:29:46.250 --> 00:29:46.250
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:53.240
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't really matter either way because he was the only surviving villain matters tiller.

00:29:53.420 --> 00:29:55.069
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, it matters.

00:29:55.070 --> 00:29:57.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm not trying to like, we, obviously we all want to get to the truth of this.

00:29:58.269 --> 00:30:00.049
<v Speaker 2>That's why true crime is such a thing.

00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:05.150
<v Speaker 2>But I'm just saying like, there's no way to, you know, it's not like we can bring her to justice.

00:30:05.180 --> 00:30:08.750
<v Speaker 2>Even if she's guilty, she's deceased.

00:30:08.750 --> 00:30:09.559
<v Speaker 2>She was murdered.

00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:17.420
<v Speaker 3>I think we might be onto something just like talking about these stories on a podcast, you know?

00:30:18.049 --> 00:30:18.049
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:30:18.109 --> 00:30:19.190
<v Speaker 3>People like true crime.

00:30:19.191 --> 00:30:19.910
<v Speaker 3>It's interesting.

00:30:20.269 --> 00:30:21.049
<v Speaker 2>They love it.

00:30:21.380 --> 00:30:22.460
<v Speaker 2>They go crazy for it.

00:30:23.059 --> 00:30:31.970
<v Speaker 2>Myself included after the trial to fail, gave Bearius interviews where he claimed other family members had actually done most of the killing before he stepped in.

00:30:32.809 --> 00:30:35.869
<v Speaker 2>He also is just like the worst like witness.

00:30:35.900 --> 00:30:36.140
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:30:36.141 --> 00:30:39.170
<v Speaker 2>He's just so unreliable at every time he does anything.

00:30:39.171 --> 00:30:42.559
<v Speaker 2>It just changes wildly from the thing he said the other day.

00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:43.250
<v Speaker 2>He's the guy

00:30:43.250 --> 00:30:44.839
<v Speaker 3>That also wrote turn of

00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:46.740
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:51.390
<v Speaker 2>The father of ambiguous narration in a Newsday

00:30:51.390 --> 00:30:52.680
<v Speaker 3>Army that was Henry James

00:30:53.250 --> 00:30:54.480
<v Speaker 2>In a Newsday article.

00:30:54.480 --> 00:31:01.829
<v Speaker 2>He claimed that his sister Dawn had killed his father and his mother had killed the children until de fail murdered his mom.

00:31:02.430 --> 00:31:11.099
<v Speaker 2>In 1990, he filed a new motion, claiming that in a silent had killed his parents and fled the house before Don had killed the other siblings.

00:31:11.609 --> 00:31:18.359
<v Speaker 2>These claims are insanely complicated and they also involve fabrications around him being married and living in other states.

00:31:18.361 --> 00:31:24.779
<v Speaker 2>At the time, it gets to be a very complicated web that I didn't really have the emotional bandwidth to explore.

00:31:24.900 --> 00:31:27.900
<v Speaker 3>The weird part is every single one of them is true.

00:31:29.490 --> 00:31:32.670
<v Speaker 2>DeFazio died on March 12th, 2021.

00:31:32.700 --> 00:31:35.940
<v Speaker 2>So recently he was 69 years old.

00:31:36.210 --> 00:31:38.670
<v Speaker 2>His official cause of death has not been determined.

00:31:39.930 --> 00:31:41.160
<v Speaker 3>That's a little suspicious.

00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:42.150
<v Speaker 3>Like what do you mean?

00:31:42.151 --> 00:31:43.049
<v Speaker 3>Wasn't determined

00:31:43.500 --> 00:31:44.460
<v Speaker 2>TBD.

00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:49.950
<v Speaker 3>I guess it's not even a year from then at the time of this recording.

00:31:50.130 --> 00:31:50.369
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:31:50.730 --> 00:31:51.809
<v Speaker 3>So yeah.

00:31:51.810 --> 00:31:52.049
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

00:31:52.380 --> 00:31:56.190
<v Speaker 3>COVID yeah, it could've been COVID and they don't like, cause that's the thing.

00:31:56.191 --> 00:31:58.980
<v Speaker 3>If you, if you under report the COVID numbers COVID goes away.

00:31:59.460 --> 00:32:00.000
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:02.519
<v Speaker 2>And I know it's a huge issue in prisons.

00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

00:32:03.121 --> 00:32:03.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:04.380
<v Speaker 2>All right.

00:32:04.381 --> 00:32:09.390
<v Speaker 2>We're going to move on from the true crime portion of this podcast to the paranormal portion,

00:32:10.019 --> 00:32:13.589
<v Speaker 3>But I'm telling you this whole true crime podcast thing, it's got some legs.

00:32:14.940 --> 00:32:20.460
<v Speaker 2>You may think that this is where the true events end and the discussion about the book and film start.

00:32:21.150 --> 00:32:23.190
<v Speaker 2>But we're first going to discuss the hauntings.

00:32:23.430 --> 00:32:25.079
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I shouldn't have set this up twice.

00:32:25.349 --> 00:32:25.349
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:32:25.470 --> 00:32:26.279
<v Speaker 3>What do you killing me

00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:26.430
<v Speaker 2>Here?

00:32:27.059 --> 00:32:40.470
<v Speaker 2>So in December of 1975, just one month after Ronald[inaudible] was found guilty and sentenced the Lutz family, George and Kathy and their three children moved into at one 12 ocean avenue.

00:32:43.710 --> 00:32:46.980
<v Speaker 2>So less than a month after the trial.

00:32:47.789 --> 00:32:49.019
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I'm sorry.

00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:55.859
<v Speaker 3>I thought you were saying a month after the trial, the family that got murdered moves into the house.

00:32:55.861 --> 00:32:58.019
<v Speaker 3>Again, that'd be crazy.

00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:02.279
<v Speaker 2>No, the new family moves in essentially.

00:33:02.309 --> 00:33:06.450
<v Speaker 2>It's a beautiful, gorgeous house on the water in long island.

00:33:06.451 --> 00:33:06.660
<v Speaker 2>Right?

00:33:06.661 --> 00:33:07.529
<v Speaker 2>It's gorgeous.

00:33:07.530 --> 00:33:18.299
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course they are only able to afford it because it sells for only$80,000, like a severely reduced rate because nobody wants to live there.

00:33:18.300 --> 00:33:18.450
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:33:18.451 --> 00:33:20.069
<v Speaker 2>Because the whole family was murdered.

00:33:20.220 --> 00:33:20.460
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:33:20.579 --> 00:33:23.700
<v Speaker 3>It's like, it's like the, uh, the Myers house, right.

00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:30.089
<v Speaker 2>The family later said that they discussed the history of the house as a family and decided that they wanted to move in.

00:33:30.090 --> 00:33:38.730
<v Speaker 2>Despite the events that took place there, the couple only lasted 28 days in the home before they fled, claiming that the house was haunted.

00:33:39.569 --> 00:33:44.440
<v Speaker 2>So let's talk about their claims really quick content warning.

00:33:44.441 --> 00:33:48.970
<v Speaker 2>And there's a moment we're going to discuss about an animal in distress.

00:33:49.869 --> 00:33:53.710
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be quick, but it will be about the next minute or so if you want to skip ahead.

00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:54.160
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:33:54.849 --> 00:34:06.309
<v Speaker 2>In an interview, George Lutz said that one of the first things that happened within the first hour of moving into the house was that the family dog quote, unquote, tried to hang itself.

00:34:06.490 --> 00:34:06.640
<v Speaker 2>Do

00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:07.599
<v Speaker 3>We know the dog's name?

00:34:08.260 --> 00:34:08.500
<v Speaker 3>No.

00:34:08.949 --> 00:34:10.059
<v Speaker 2>Don't want to get too attached.

00:34:10.329 --> 00:34:12.309
<v Speaker 2>He said that the chain, the dog, right.

00:34:12.311 --> 00:34:19.510
<v Speaker 2>The chain that the dog had was too short and the dog jumped over a fence and they kind of found it hanging there.

00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:20.559
<v Speaker 2>It didn't die.

00:34:20.590 --> 00:34:25.059
<v Speaker 2>But it was, it was like not, it was a very graphic, horrific thing, right.

00:34:25.061 --> 00:34:25.420
<v Speaker 2>To happen.

00:34:25.420 --> 00:34:25.630
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:34:25.630 --> 00:34:27.599
<v Speaker 2>When you moved into this house, I mean, that's

00:34:27.909 --> 00:34:29.349
<v Speaker 3>Great that they got to the dog in time.

00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:31.179
<v Speaker 2>I know, but still right.

00:34:31.181 --> 00:34:32.320
<v Speaker 2>It's like unnerving,

00:34:32.530 --> 00:34:33.639
<v Speaker 3>Not a supernatural thing though.

00:34:33.641 --> 00:34:34.989
<v Speaker 3>That it happens to a lot of pets.

00:34:35.530 --> 00:34:39.219
<v Speaker 3>That's why folks don't let your cats wear collars or

00:34:39.219 --> 00:34:41.139
<v Speaker 2>Get the quick release ones or

00:34:41.139 --> 00:34:41.980
<v Speaker 3>Get even better.

00:34:42.099 --> 00:34:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:34:42.670 --> 00:34:45.610
<v Speaker 2>We had the quick release ones on our childhood cats.

00:34:45.789 --> 00:34:46.750
<v Speaker 2>Cause they're outdoor cats.

00:34:46.869 --> 00:34:47.980
<v Speaker 3>That's a very important.

00:34:48.610 --> 00:34:49.030
<v Speaker 2>And James.

00:34:49.030 --> 00:34:49.269
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:34:49.300 --> 00:35:02.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean, my cat, even now, it was like 10 years ago when I first got him, it was one of the first, within the first few weeks I was taking a shower and I heard him screaming and I came out and the collar was caught on the heater and he was fine.

00:35:02.681 --> 00:35:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Like he wasn't like hanging or anything, but he was just caught against like the heater.

00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:10.329
<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't like scolding him, but he was freaking out because he was caught.

00:35:10.331 --> 00:35:12.250
<v Speaker 2>And ever since then, I was like, you're not wearing a collar.

00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:13.360
<v Speaker 3>Yup.

00:35:13.389 --> 00:35:14.889
<v Speaker 3>Or the break breakaway ones are fine.

00:35:15.309 --> 00:35:15.309
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

00:35:15.699 --> 00:35:16.480
<v Speaker 3>Cause then you can have the bell.

00:35:16.481 --> 00:35:18.010
<v Speaker 3>So the jingles, they don't get the birds.

00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:18.699
<v Speaker 3>That's important.

00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:19.690
<v Speaker 3>You gotta protect

00:35:19.690 --> 00:35:20.170
<v Speaker 2>The birds.

00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:20.349
<v Speaker 2>You

00:35:20.349 --> 00:35:20.739
<v Speaker 3>Do.

00:35:21.429 --> 00:35:23.889
<v Speaker 3>They're they're decimating bird populations,

00:35:24.460 --> 00:35:27.070
<v Speaker 2>Like animal content is over for the birds.

00:35:28.030 --> 00:35:34.869
<v Speaker 2>George lots claim to wake up at three 15 every morning around the time that the murders took place 13 months earlier.

00:35:34.900 --> 00:35:37.360
<v Speaker 2>Why it's the witching hour?

00:35:37.780 --> 00:35:44.079
<v Speaker 3>Y oh, he claimed as if like he had no choice, but he was always awakened.

00:35:44.380 --> 00:35:44.530
<v Speaker 3>He

00:35:44.530 --> 00:35:45.789
<v Speaker 2>Was awakened at three 15.

00:35:45.929 --> 00:35:46.860
<v Speaker 2>He set his alarm.

00:35:47.010 --> 00:35:47.380
<v Speaker 2>That's why I

00:35:47.380 --> 00:35:54.760
<v Speaker 3>Was like, okay, well, no, of course he was finding things in the middle of the night when you're deliberately waking up to go looking

00:35:55.480 --> 00:36:00.610
<v Speaker 2>When he awoke, he would feel restless and often would hear strange noises in the home.

00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:01.599
<v Speaker 2>Around this time.

00:36:02.650 --> 00:36:07.960
<v Speaker 2>George also said being in the house made him sick and he lost a lot of weight and days of work from it.

00:36:08.860 --> 00:36:13.269
<v Speaker 2>And that George was constantly cold chopping wood to build fires.

00:36:13.539 --> 00:36:15.369
<v Speaker 2>And that he was often snapping at his family.

00:36:15.371 --> 00:36:15.550
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:36:15.550 --> 00:36:16.960
<v Speaker 2>He became super irritable.

00:36:17.769 --> 00:36:17.769
<v Speaker 3>Juicy.

00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:21.130
<v Speaker 3>I remember that in the movie he was amusing and irritable guy.

00:36:21.190 --> 00:36:21.969
<v Speaker 3>A real jerk.

00:36:22.030 --> 00:36:22.449
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah.

00:36:23.349 --> 00:36:23.739
<v Speaker 3>Kathy chopping.

00:36:24.309 --> 00:36:24.579
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:28.929
<v Speaker 2>Kathy felt that she was embraced by a female spirit in the home.

00:36:29.170 --> 00:36:32.260
<v Speaker 2>And if you've seen the film, you'll recognize this detail.

00:36:32.500 --> 00:36:43.760
<v Speaker 2>They famously claimed that the house flies, which were out of season and the winter had infested certain rooms in the house, they experienced cold spots and strange smells.

00:36:44.659 --> 00:36:53.210
<v Speaker 2>The family also claimed that they saw strange green ooze around the home, especially on the walls and coming through the key holes.

00:36:53.269 --> 00:36:55.940
<v Speaker 2>So kind of like a haunted slime, like

00:36:55.940 --> 00:36:56.840
<v Speaker 3>Ectoplasm.

00:36:57.500 --> 00:36:57.769
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:36:57.800 --> 00:36:58.969
<v Speaker 2>But green.

00:36:59.389 --> 00:36:59.840
<v Speaker 2>So like

00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:01.429
<v Speaker 3>Ghostbusters ectoplasm.

00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:10.909
<v Speaker 2>Additionally, they claimed that the doors were ripped clean off the hinges that the kids' beds would lift and slam onto the ground.

00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:16.280
<v Speaker 2>And that George was unable to help as if he was paralyzed by an unseen entity.

00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:18.289
<v Speaker 2>Of course, right?

00:37:18.291 --> 00:37:21.019
<v Speaker 2>At this point, the couple called a priest to come and bless the home.

00:37:22.130 --> 00:37:29.570
<v Speaker 2>The priest claimed to hear a disembodied voice scream get out and something invisible slapped his hand.

00:37:29.989 --> 00:37:33.980
<v Speaker 2>He also told the Lotz family to never sleep in this specific room, right.

00:37:33.981 --> 00:37:37.460
<v Speaker 2>Where he had that experience, which was being used as a sewing room.

00:37:38.019 --> 00:37:48.500
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I worked out most alarmingly daughter, Jodi claimed to see a red eyed pig, like creature staring down at her from outside a window.

00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:53.690
<v Speaker 2>And that the creature told her that he was glad she would be living there forever.

00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:54.530
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's

00:37:54.530 --> 00:37:54.949
<v Speaker 3>Good.

00:37:55.389 --> 00:37:56.840
<v Speaker 3>It means an animal spirit friend,

00:37:57.650 --> 00:37:59.210
<v Speaker 2>Maybe even more alarmingly.

00:37:59.449 --> 00:38:03.590
<v Speaker 2>George claimed to have seen Kathy in the children, levitating in their beds.

00:38:04.130 --> 00:38:10.639
<v Speaker 2>And to top it off, he said that Kathy also transformed into an old woman as if that wasn't enough.

00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:17.510
<v Speaker 2>There's also an incident that happened on the last night that the family lived in the house, which they haven't fully talked about.

00:38:17.780 --> 00:38:36.469
<v Speaker 2>But in an interview, George says that it's something that the boys experienced and he will never forget their faces or what they said when they came downstairs in the very early morning of January 14th, 1976, the Lutz family decided to leave the home again after only 28 days of living there.

00:38:36.739 --> 00:38:37.130
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

00:38:37.699 --> 00:38:39.500
<v Speaker 2>The family stayed with Kathy's mother.

00:38:39.769 --> 00:38:43.250
<v Speaker 2>George wanted to get the house investigated by a paranormal expert.

00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:47.030
<v Speaker 2>So he contacted a pair of psychologist named Kaplan.

00:38:48.260 --> 00:38:52.219
<v Speaker 2>So Kaplan explained that what he was about to do, right.

00:38:52.221 --> 00:38:57.380
<v Speaker 2>He agreed to investigate, but he said it was a public service that the family wouldn't be charged.

00:38:57.380 --> 00:39:07.340
<v Speaker 2>So he's not going to charge them to investigate, but that whatever he finds, he's going to share with the public, including if they suspected that the Lutz family was putting on a hoax.

00:39:07.730 --> 00:39:11.119
<v Speaker 2>To me, in my opinion, this isn't a very important part.

00:39:11.179 --> 00:39:20.360
<v Speaker 2>This is a telling part, if you will, because this guy Kaplan goes to the newspaper and he says, Hey, I'm going to be investigating the Amityville house.

00:39:21.019 --> 00:39:25.699
<v Speaker 2>So he kind of sets up with the public that this is about to happen.

00:39:25.849 --> 00:39:26.179
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:39:26.989 --> 00:39:32.239
<v Speaker 3>At this time, was he already a very established and famous paranormal investigator?

00:39:32.449 --> 00:39:33.380
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so.

00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:37.130
<v Speaker 3>I mean, as famous as a paranormal investigator can get outside of the Warrens,

00:39:37.869 --> 00:39:39.059
<v Speaker 2>He had a reputation, I think.

00:39:39.179 --> 00:39:39.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure.

00:39:40.860 --> 00:39:46.050
<v Speaker 2>So George Lutz freaks out at him saying that he didn't want any publicity.

00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:50.670
<v Speaker 2>Here's the part that that's the important part, right?

00:39:50.730 --> 00:39:51.539
<v Speaker 2>The spooky bit.

00:39:52.860 --> 00:39:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Because earlier that day, the same day George tells Kaplan, you.

00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:58.440
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want publicity.

00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:05.400
<v Speaker 2>George and Kathy actually gave a press conference about their experiences in the home to obviously right.

00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:13.889
<v Speaker 2>The very obvious conclusion is that George is afraid that this person is going to say that they're faking it because they clearly want the attention.

00:40:13.891 --> 00:40:15.269
<v Speaker 2>They gave a press conference.

00:40:15.420 --> 00:40:15.420
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:40:15.630 --> 00:40:17.940
<v Speaker 2>He went to this very famous investigator.

00:40:17.940 --> 00:40:19.050
<v Speaker 2>They want the buzz.

00:40:19.380 --> 00:40:25.500
<v Speaker 2>But now because the investigator was so clear that he may expose them.

00:40:25.739 --> 00:40:25.739
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:27.030
<v Speaker 2>Georgia's scared.

00:40:27.030 --> 00:40:29.460
<v Speaker 2>That's the conclusion one could draw.

00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:29.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:40:30.150 --> 00:40:31.829
<v Speaker 3>I second that conclusion.

00:40:32.219 --> 00:40:32.460
<v Speaker 3>So

00:40:32.460 --> 00:40:40.710
<v Speaker 2>This gets even more convoluted though, because apparently this press conference was actually organized by William Weber.

00:40:41.730 --> 00:40:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Weber was the defense attorney of Ron DeFazio who is currently petitioning for an appeal.

00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:40:48.090 --> 00:40:51.239
<v Speaker 2>This is where it gets a little bit disgusting.

00:40:51.780 --> 00:40:59.610
<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, the Lutz family gets tangled up with the defense attorney of Rhonda fail.

00:41:00.989 --> 00:41:02.039
<v Speaker 3>What do you mean by tangled up?

00:41:03.030 --> 00:41:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, let me tell you romantically engaged.

00:41:05.340 --> 00:41:06.300
<v Speaker 2>We're going to get into it.

00:41:06.570 --> 00:41:06.960
<v Speaker 2>The whole

00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:07.500
<v Speaker 3>Family,

00:41:08.699 --> 00:41:18.570
<v Speaker 2>The response from George Lutz was that they felt whatever was happening in the home could have actually influenced Rhonda FAO and caused him to murder his family.

00:41:18.630 --> 00:41:19.380
<v Speaker 2>Oh geez.

00:41:19.469 --> 00:41:23.789
<v Speaker 2>Which of course is like an incredibly dangerous claim, right?

00:41:23.909 --> 00:41:24.179
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:41:24.420 --> 00:41:27.809
<v Speaker 2>The less family starts to have regular meetings with William Weber.

00:41:28.170 --> 00:41:29.489
<v Speaker 2>The attorney have to fail.

00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:41.730
<v Speaker 2>And these initial meetings over wine Weber admits to revealing vital details from deface trial, which would go on to be important in the lots as later claims.

00:41:42.030 --> 00:41:49.289
<v Speaker 2>I see Weber also claims that during these meetings they had collectively come up with the haunting narrative together.

00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:56.369
<v Speaker 2>One example of this Weber had showed images to the lotses of the greenish fingerprint powder.

00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.360
<v Speaker 2>That was all over the house during the investigation, after the murders.

00:42:00.750 --> 00:42:00.750
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:04.679
<v Speaker 2>And this was obviously spun into the green ooze sightings.

00:42:04.949 --> 00:42:05.550
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:14.849
<v Speaker 2>There was also photos from the investigation of Dawn's room with dead flies all over it, which the Lutz family turned into the room with the fly infestations.

00:42:15.210 --> 00:42:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Got it.

00:42:15.630 --> 00:42:22.559
<v Speaker 2>All of these claims appeared in a book that the Lutz family published, what they like their, their claims,

00:42:23.730 --> 00:42:30.210
<v Speaker 3>The Lutz family published a book that says they made up their own claims.

00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:30.389
<v Speaker 3>No.

00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:35.849
<v Speaker 2>Um, that like their claims up here, they publish a book about their quote unquote experiences.

00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:36.480
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:42:36.820 --> 00:42:39.039
<v Speaker 3>But the whole thing of the meeting with the

00:42:39.670 --> 00:42:40.869
<v Speaker 2>Defense attorneys, none in there.

00:42:41.170 --> 00:42:41.980
<v Speaker 2>No, that comes out later.

00:42:42.070 --> 00:42:42.250
<v Speaker 2>I

00:42:42.250 --> 00:42:42.489
<v Speaker 3>See.

00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:42.880
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

00:42:42.940 --> 00:42:43.210
<v Speaker 3>Thank you

00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:55.869
<v Speaker 2>With the clarity, the Lutz's claim that Weber was already in the process of a book deal for DeFazio and had approach them with a contract to tell their story as well, which would have given 5% to fail.

00:42:56.110 --> 00:42:57.639
<v Speaker 2>So the less family declined.

00:42:57.880 --> 00:42:58.119
<v Speaker 3>Well.

00:42:58.179 --> 00:42:58.570
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:42:58.570 --> 00:42:59.440
<v Speaker 3>And also that's

00:42:59.440 --> 00:42:59.949
<v Speaker 2>Illegal.

00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:03.789
<v Speaker 2>So you see though, where it gets very muddy, gross.

00:43:03.791 --> 00:43:04.030
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:43:04.269 --> 00:43:04.570
<v Speaker 2>It muddy.

00:43:04.570 --> 00:43:20.349
<v Speaker 2>But like that this family is clearly trying to turn this story where regardless of whether or not we think it happened, which almost becomes on an irrelevant, they're trying to turn this into a media frenzy for themselves right.

00:43:20.351 --> 00:43:21.610
<v Speaker 2>Into something for themselves.

00:43:22.059 --> 00:43:22.389
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:43:23.139 --> 00:43:30.159
<v Speaker 2>And so maybe they did have experiences there as someone who believes in the paranormal that could make sense a horrific crime happened there.

00:43:30.429 --> 00:43:34.719
<v Speaker 2>That being said, the way that it's being handled is not great.

00:43:35.230 --> 00:43:41.710
<v Speaker 2>And I mean, they do decline the deal that would give 5% to the murderer, but that doesn't make them heroes in this situation

00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:43.690
<v Speaker 3>Does good for them.

00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:51.250
<v Speaker 2>At this point, local reporter, Laura Didier calls in ed and Lorraine Warren, oh, here they come.

00:43:51.579 --> 00:43:53.440
<v Speaker 2>She thought that the family needed help.

00:43:53.530 --> 00:43:54.610
<v Speaker 2>And she felt sorry for them.

00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:55.579
<v Speaker 2>Right?

00:43:55.750 --> 00:43:57.940
<v Speaker 2>Because the narrative at this time is like a bunch of

00:43:58.510 --> 00:43:58.510
<v Speaker 3>Phoneys.

00:43:58.840 --> 00:43:59.170
<v Speaker 3>This

00:43:59.170 --> 00:44:08.769
<v Speaker 2>Couple moves into this house and what their young family and boom they're hit with these terrible hauntings like that sort of the headline says sweep the nation.

00:44:09.340 --> 00:44:11.260
<v Speaker 2>So people are starting to feel bad for them.

00:44:12.190 --> 00:44:19.630
<v Speaker 2>At this point, Laura said that George met her in the warrants at the edge of the property, on ocean avenue that he wouldn't even set foot on the lawn.

00:44:19.750 --> 00:44:20.050
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:44:20.380 --> 00:44:42.940
<v Speaker 2>Lorraine Warren said she could immediately tell that quote, this house was infested with something other than human spirits and quote bugs on the evening of March 6th, 1976, a local TV station arranged for a group of psychics and paranormal investigators to enter the home together for a proper investigation, including the horns.

00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:43.269
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:44.769
<v Speaker 2>Very quickly.

00:44:44.771 --> 00:44:46.510
<v Speaker 2>People started to act differently.

00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:56.710
<v Speaker 2>The first thing that happened according to Laura Didier is that the camera man, Steve came up to the second floor landing and bent over like clutching his chest.

00:44:56.710 --> 00:44:58.690
<v Speaker 2>Like he kind of like semi collapsed.

00:44:58.750 --> 00:45:01.030
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I thought gonna say he bent over presenting himself.

00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:10.900
<v Speaker 2>He claimed to feel stabbing chest pains, psychic Mary Downey claim to see the face of a young girl, looking at her from a window and said she heard weeping.

00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:17.170
<v Speaker 2>Mary tried to guide the spirit to the quote white light during a sands.

00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:24.130
<v Speaker 2>Lorraine Warren claimed that there was evil in the house from quote the bowels of the earth and quote Lorraine.

00:45:24.190 --> 00:45:29.530
<v Speaker 2>The queen of quotes also said, I hope this is as close to hell as I'll ever get.

00:45:30.010 --> 00:45:30.340
<v Speaker 2>So a

00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:31.150
<v Speaker 3>Little quote right

00:45:31.150 --> 00:45:31.510
<v Speaker 2>There.

00:45:32.380 --> 00:45:33.190
<v Speaker 2>That's a good soundbite.

00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:33.639
<v Speaker 2>Lorraine.

00:45:34.210 --> 00:45:39.469
<v Speaker 2>Mary claimed when she flicked holy water in the home, it sounded like water on a hot stove.

00:45:39.471 --> 00:45:40.099
<v Speaker 2>Sizzling.

00:45:42.710 --> 00:45:42.710
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:45:43.250 --> 00:45:43.820
<v Speaker 2>Very good.

00:45:44.510 --> 00:45:50.630
<v Speaker 2>Ed horn while holding a crucifix claimed he was assailed by a Legion of demons.

00:45:50.820 --> 00:45:52.789
<v Speaker 2>Come on, reporter.

00:45:52.791 --> 00:45:59.510
<v Speaker 2>Laura Didier said that beyond the reactions of those around her, she did not see or feel anything during the investigation.

00:45:59.570 --> 00:46:00.110
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

00:46:00.110 --> 00:46:04.099
<v Speaker 3>The, can we just back up for a moment again, it's being a sailed by a Legion of demons.

00:46:04.909 --> 00:46:05.989
<v Speaker 3>That's a bowl claim.

00:46:06.530 --> 00:46:06.829
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:46:08.059 --> 00:46:09.860
<v Speaker 2>That is what Legion of demons.

00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:10.159
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

00:46:11.300 --> 00:46:13.489
<v Speaker 2>How do you even know that it's a Legion?

00:46:14.030 --> 00:46:17.719
<v Speaker 3>If I was just like, whoa, I just got attacked by 5,000 tigers.

00:46:18.380 --> 00:46:18.769
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:46:18.771 --> 00:46:20.150
<v Speaker 2>It would be impossible.

00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:22.250
<v Speaker 2>Are there even 5,000 tigers?

00:46:23.059 --> 00:46:24.949
<v Speaker 2>I think there are in one place.

00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:25.610
<v Speaker 3>Oh.

00:46:25.610 --> 00:46:27.739
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you'd need to arrange some transport, but

00:46:28.340 --> 00:46:29.329
<v Speaker 2>Just to prove.

00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:30.650
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

00:46:30.710 --> 00:46:33.170
<v Speaker 3>But for no one else to notice when

00:46:33.170 --> 00:46:33.949
<v Speaker 2>They're right there.

00:46:34.099 --> 00:46:37.429
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there are probably invisible demons, right?

00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:37.909
<v Speaker 2>Why

00:46:37.909 --> 00:46:38.809
<v Speaker 3>Would they be invisible?

00:46:39.590 --> 00:46:40.699
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever seen a demon?

00:46:41.929 --> 00:46:42.769
<v Speaker 3>Got me there.

00:46:44.750 --> 00:46:45.739
<v Speaker 2>This is interesting.

00:46:46.429 --> 00:46:52.340
<v Speaker 2>So they had set up a camera on a tripod and the second floor hallway, which took photos every few seconds.

00:46:52.340 --> 00:46:58.039
<v Speaker 2>Very similar to the tactic that the investigators used in the Enfield Poltergeist case.

00:46:58.460 --> 00:47:06.380
<v Speaker 2>This is where they captured the famous ghost boy photo ghost boy, which looks like a little kid looking out from the banister I'm out here.

00:47:06.380 --> 00:47:07.369
<v Speaker 2>You can look at it right now.

00:47:07.820 --> 00:47:17.119
<v Speaker 2>I will say the photo undeniably shows a little boy, everyone there, including the reporter claimed that there was absolutely no children in the house that night.

00:47:17.630 --> 00:47:19.550
<v Speaker 3>Oh, this I've seen this photo.

00:47:20.150 --> 00:47:21.920
<v Speaker 2>The ghost boy was a boy.

00:47:22.429 --> 00:47:22.760
<v Speaker 2>Right?

00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:24.469
<v Speaker 2>It's it's undeniably a boy.

00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:26.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's undeniably a child.

00:47:26.510 --> 00:47:27.949
<v Speaker 3>You know, a lot of girls this age

00:47:27.949 --> 00:47:28.610
<v Speaker 2>Have short hair.

00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:30.710
<v Speaker 2>It means undeniably a kid.

00:47:30.860 --> 00:47:31.880
<v Speaker 2>That's what it looks like.

00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:34.969
<v Speaker 2>It's not like an orb or a trick of the light.

00:47:34.971 --> 00:47:36.500
<v Speaker 2>It's it looks like a human being.

00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:37.579
<v Speaker 3>It's a human.

00:47:37.699 --> 00:47:38.150
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:40.250
<v Speaker 2>Like no doubt about it.

00:47:41.090 --> 00:47:42.199
<v Speaker 3>Only childish age.

00:47:42.260 --> 00:47:42.739
<v Speaker 3>Correct?

00:47:43.550 --> 00:47:46.289
<v Speaker 3>Mostly possibly boy leaning, leaning

00:47:46.460 --> 00:47:48.050
<v Speaker 2>Towards a kid, the kid,

00:47:49.579 --> 00:47:51.710
<v Speaker 3>Or it's like a really, really old person.

00:47:51.889 --> 00:47:53.239
<v Speaker 3>That's just small with good skin.

00:47:53.389 --> 00:47:53.900
<v Speaker 3>No, it's

00:47:54.230 --> 00:47:55.940
<v Speaker 2>It's, it's a human being.

00:47:57.170 --> 00:47:59.119
<v Speaker 3>It's a humanoid being.

00:47:59.300 --> 00:47:59.599
<v Speaker 3>Sure.

00:48:00.139 --> 00:48:02.090
<v Speaker 3>W was this the Legion of demons that you saw?

00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:03.230
<v Speaker 3>Cause it's just one,

00:48:03.769 --> 00:48:09.530
<v Speaker 2>As you may expect many people question the claims that this group experienced that night.

00:48:09.829 --> 00:48:10.460
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course.

00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:12.349
<v Speaker 2>Their motivation money.

00:48:12.500 --> 00:48:20.900
<v Speaker 2>The Lotz family was said to be struggling financially, but came into money when they sold their story though.

00:48:20.900 --> 00:48:23.630
<v Speaker 2>Eventually Weber said verbatim that it was a hoax.

00:48:23.630 --> 00:48:24.829
<v Speaker 2>So William Weber, right?

00:48:24.831 --> 00:48:29.809
<v Speaker 2>The defense attorney to DeFazio said, this is a hundred percent a hoax.

00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:30.500
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:48:30.530 --> 00:48:45.150
<v Speaker 2>George lots, the father of the family that moved in right stood by his claim that the house was haunted and every single event that he claimed happened, he stood by those claims until he died in 2006.

00:48:45.300 --> 00:48:46.199
<v Speaker 3>Oh, he's a big fat phony.

00:48:46.201 --> 00:48:46.969
<v Speaker 3>What you would expect from

00:48:47.070 --> 00:48:47.070
<v Speaker 2>Him.

00:48:47.579 --> 00:48:48.030
<v Speaker 2>There you go.

00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:52.170
<v Speaker 2>George's son, Daniel essentially ratted him out.

00:48:53.039 --> 00:49:00.869
<v Speaker 2>Daniel was 10 at the time of the events and claimed that his father invited these evil forces into their lives because of his interest in the occult.

00:49:01.590 --> 00:49:03.000
<v Speaker 3>So sounds familiar.

00:49:03.001 --> 00:49:03.420
<v Speaker 3>A

00:49:03.750 --> 00:49:04.050
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:49:04.469 --> 00:49:04.469
<v Speaker 2>Alright.

00:49:04.530 --> 00:49:14.190
<v Speaker 2>Hey Christopher, who was Kathy son in George's stepson also came forward and said that the events were exaggerated to the point of fiction.

00:49:14.610 --> 00:49:21.900
<v Speaker 2>He also said that his stepfather's interest in the paranormal might have caused him to embellish some of the true events that did happen in the house.

00:49:22.769 --> 00:49:27.210
<v Speaker 2>Again, that things could have happened there, but they were exaggerated to the point of fiction.

00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:27.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:49:28.500 --> 00:49:32.130
<v Speaker 2>Quote unquote from Christopher, he's a professional showman.

00:49:32.130 --> 00:49:35.789
<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, I just feel as though we were being exploited.

00:49:36.389 --> 00:49:36.389
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

00:49:36.989 --> 00:49:37.949
<v Speaker 2>That's the stepson.

00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:43.949
<v Speaker 2>Eventually George and Kathy moved to California and the bank re possesses the house.

00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:46.050
<v Speaker 2>Their belongings were auctioned off.

00:49:46.380 --> 00:49:49.710
<v Speaker 2>Amityville becomes a media frenzy that sweeps the nation.

00:49:50.699 --> 00:49:53.130
<v Speaker 2>But our story doesn't quite and there,

00:49:53.219 --> 00:49:54.809
<v Speaker 3>No, there's like 31 more movies

00:49:55.440 --> 00:50:00.630
<v Speaker 2>On January 13th, 1977, renowned paranormal investigator, Dr.

00:50:00.630 --> 00:50:11.429
<v Speaker 2>Hans Holzer, attorney William Weber, reporter Laura Didier and famous deep trans medium Athol Johnson Myers enter the house.

00:50:12.539 --> 00:50:27.690
<v Speaker 2>The point of a deep transmedium is to be the vessel for the spirit to communicate through sort of like to be possessed by everyone in attendance claims that Ethel totally transformed her voice dropped several octaves.

00:50:28.019 --> 00:50:36.570
<v Speaker 2>She developed an Adam's apple and she was talking with a native American chief who said the house was on top of an ancient burial ground.

00:50:37.650 --> 00:50:44.820
<v Speaker 2>This group spread the narrative, that there were no spirits in this house beyond the chief who simply wanted everyone off of his land.

00:50:46.769 --> 00:50:50.340
<v Speaker 2>So that concludes our paranormal section of Amityville.

00:50:50.940 --> 00:50:51.539
<v Speaker 3>It does

00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:52.889
<v Speaker 2>We're yes.

00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:57.329
<v Speaker 2>We're going to move on to the pop culture section, unless you have final haunting thoughts to share.

00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:02.130
<v Speaker 3>Uh, this seems like a big, big old hoax with a bunch of big fat phoneys.

00:51:03.059 --> 00:51:13.289
<v Speaker 3>I think that these, this, uh, lot's family knew that they were moving into something that was absolutely horrific and possibly haunted POS.

00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:17.849
<v Speaker 3>And I think that was a draw for the dad who was like super into this whole world.

00:51:18.449 --> 00:51:22.650
<v Speaker 3>And then, you know, every little again, imagine yourself there.

00:51:23.489 --> 00:51:23.489
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

00:51:24.030 --> 00:51:26.699
<v Speaker 3>In the middle of the night, the house makes a noise.

00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:29.429
<v Speaker 3>You would be on the phone so fast.

00:51:29.940 --> 00:51:30.300
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:51:31.030 --> 00:51:32.230
<v Speaker 2>I mean, am I there alone?

00:51:32.409 --> 00:51:32.530
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:51:32.530 --> 00:51:33.940
<v Speaker 2>You're there alone, but yeah,

00:51:34.030 --> 00:51:35.829
<v Speaker 3>I would never have gone in the first place.

00:51:37.300 --> 00:51:37.300
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

00:51:37.329 --> 00:51:40.030
<v Speaker 3>You would be scared out of your mind for like the smallest thing.

00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:40.900
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

00:51:40.989 --> 00:51:46.420
<v Speaker 3>Now what if instead you're excited by and you're looking for proof and it can make you money, huh?

00:51:47.469 --> 00:51:47.710
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:51:47.710 --> 00:51:52.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, what I, my feeling is that there could be, there could be right.

00:51:52.389 --> 00:51:53.019
<v Speaker 2>Don't come at me.

00:51:53.050 --> 00:51:57.550
<v Speaker 2>There could be some trace of a paranormal event that happened again.

00:51:57.579 --> 00:52:05.409
<v Speaker 2>If we just suspend our disbelief for a second and say that if we do believe in paranormal, we could believe in it.

00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:08.199
<v Speaker 2>This location would be prime for it.

00:52:08.530 --> 00:52:08.530
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

00:52:08.530 --> 00:52:12.219
<v Speaker 2>Something in the most awful thing that could happen happened in this house.

00:52:12.221 --> 00:52:15.969
<v Speaker 2>One of the most awful things, a terrible horrific thing happened in this house.

00:52:15.971 --> 00:52:17.349
<v Speaker 2>A really brutal thing, right?

00:52:17.860 --> 00:52:17.860
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

00:52:17.980 --> 00:52:29.079
<v Speaker 2>A family member to turn on the family, regardless of the theories of who did what the truth is, a family killed itself and it was terrible and graphic and brutal and kids were killed.

00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:31.389
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

00:52:31.510 --> 00:52:32.800
<v Speaker 2>I do believe sure.

00:52:32.980 --> 00:52:36.730
<v Speaker 2>If paranormal stuff does exist, that might be a good place for it too.

00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:39.670
<v Speaker 2>There's unresolved things that are going on.

00:52:39.670 --> 00:52:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:41.530
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of bad energy there.

00:52:42.099 --> 00:52:43.510
<v Speaker 3>Psychic energy forged in violence.

00:52:43.630 --> 00:52:43.989
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:52:43.990 --> 00:52:48.519
<v Speaker 2>So maybe there was some sort of stuff that happened.

00:52:49.090 --> 00:53:03.099
<v Speaker 2>I think, regardless of what the truth is though, it became so discolored by the exaggeration and the sort of money-making schemes that happened, that it's hard to move past that.

00:53:03.101 --> 00:53:03.380
<v Speaker 2>Right?

00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:29.500
<v Speaker 2>And like the family loses the trust of us because we know that at least the large majority of their claims were exaggerated, whether or not they were totally made up in September of 1977, J Anson published the fiction novel, the Amityville horror, the initial printing was 25,000 copies and an instant bestseller.

00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:40.690
<v Speaker 2>The timing is important here because Amityville comes out several years after the book and the film of the Exorcist and with Amityville being based on true events.

00:53:40.690 --> 00:53:47.500
<v Speaker 2>So to speak, audiences went wild for it, feeling that it was so much scarier because it could really happen.

00:53:47.710 --> 00:53:47.949
<v Speaker 2>This

00:53:47.949 --> 00:53:49.809
<v Speaker 3>Is the book comes before the movie.

00:53:50.469 --> 00:53:50.469
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:50.980
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:53:51.820 --> 00:53:57.429
<v Speaker 2>Physically the top windows of the house also made the public feel like it was evil.

00:53:57.849 --> 00:54:00.429
<v Speaker 2>Like the windows had eyes that were watching

00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:00.820
<v Speaker 3>Way.

00:54:00.820 --> 00:54:01.630
<v Speaker 3>This is real.

00:54:01.659 --> 00:54:03.250
<v Speaker 3>That's what the house actually looks like.

00:54:03.309 --> 00:54:03.699
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:06.099
<v Speaker 2>The house has like a foreboding sort of look to it.

00:54:06.099 --> 00:54:06.489
<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah.

00:54:06.490 --> 00:54:09.309
<v Speaker 3>The house is super iconic by imagine that was just Hollywood.

00:54:09.789 --> 00:54:09.969
<v Speaker 3>No,

00:54:09.969 --> 00:54:10.719
<v Speaker 2>That's how it looks.

00:54:10.869 --> 00:54:10.869
<v Speaker 2>It's

00:54:10.869 --> 00:54:12.010
<v Speaker 3>A spooky house.

00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:12.309
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:54:12.789 --> 00:54:12.789
<v Speaker 3>Geez.

00:54:12.940 --> 00:54:13.210
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:54:13.929 --> 00:54:19.630
<v Speaker 2>And people start like the public really starts flocking to this house.

00:54:19.780 --> 00:54:25.000
<v Speaker 2>So I want to show that it's becoming incredibly problematic for the neighbors that people just can't get enough of it.

00:54:25.001 --> 00:54:27.789
<v Speaker 2>This case really does like sweep the nation.

00:54:27.820 --> 00:54:36.230
<v Speaker 2>People are taking buses two to one 12 ocean avenue to see what, you know, the site where all this stuff allegedly happened.

00:54:36.889 --> 00:54:44.570
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it sounds like, like, of course not all the pieces are clicking into place for an like just an amazing story.

00:54:45.139 --> 00:54:47.960
<v Speaker 3>And you mix it with all like the real life events and there you go.

00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:48.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:54:48.860 --> 00:54:52.250
<v Speaker 3>So there's a great subreddit called evil buildings.

00:54:52.369 --> 00:54:52.969
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah.

00:54:53.809 --> 00:55:02.090
<v Speaker 3>Uh, and this is all, of course, like one of the number one answers, but out there there's, there's a lot of evil buildings.

00:55:02.090 --> 00:55:03.260
<v Speaker 3>They're pretty darn spooky.

00:55:03.260 --> 00:55:03.949
<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you what,

00:55:04.940 --> 00:55:06.320
<v Speaker 2>There's also on long island.

00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:12.139
<v Speaker 2>There's like the massive Pika murder house, which I don't know a lot of, but I've had some coworkers tell me about it.

00:55:12.141 --> 00:55:16.849
<v Speaker 2>And it also has, I've heard like a sort of daunting exterior.

00:55:17.780 --> 00:55:18.320
<v Speaker 2>What was it called?

00:55:18.469 --> 00:55:20.119
<v Speaker 2>The Massapequa murder house.

00:55:20.210 --> 00:55:20.869
<v Speaker 2>What happened there?

00:55:21.289 --> 00:55:22.099
<v Speaker 2>I don't think anything.

00:55:22.101 --> 00:55:24.559
<v Speaker 2>I think it just has like a mystery behind it.

00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:29.690
<v Speaker 2>It's like, like local folklore, you know, of course like the haunted house in all of our neighborhoods growing up

00:55:30.019 --> 00:55:31.789
<v Speaker 3>Because it has the spooky windows.

00:55:31.909 --> 00:55:32.179
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:55:33.590 --> 00:55:39.469
<v Speaker 2>The original film of Amityville was released on July 27th, 1979.

00:55:40.159 --> 00:55:43.730
<v Speaker 2>It was directed by Stuart Rosenberg and written by Sandra stern.

00:55:44.179 --> 00:55:47.269
<v Speaker 2>It stars James Brolin and marker and Margot Kidder.

00:55:47.869 --> 00:56:00.590
<v Speaker 2>It was an instant success in brought in over$80 million, making it one of the most successful independent films at the time, it was nominated for an academy award for best original score.

00:56:00.769 --> 00:56:01.309
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:06.559
<v Speaker 2>The story was sold to producer Samuel Z Arkoff by Jay Anson.

00:56:07.190 --> 00:56:11.539
<v Speaker 2>The, the, so Jay Anson buys the rights from the lot's family.

00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:11.989
<v Speaker 2>Right?

00:56:11.990 --> 00:56:14.000
<v Speaker 2>And then he sells them to this producer.

00:56:14.659 --> 00:56:15.079
<v Speaker 2>So

00:56:15.590 --> 00:56:16.340
<v Speaker 3>Film rights.

00:56:16.369 --> 00:56:19.190
<v Speaker 3>So the Lutz family doesn't get royalties from this.

00:56:19.369 --> 00:56:19.849
<v Speaker 3>Correct.

00:56:20.210 --> 00:56:20.809
<v Speaker 2>That's good.

00:56:21.289 --> 00:56:28.159
<v Speaker 2>Anson who had written the book had also written a screenplay, but this producer was like, no, your spleen, your screenplay sucks.

00:56:28.161 --> 00:56:30.829
<v Speaker 2>And he brings in Sandra stern to start from scratch.

00:56:31.940 --> 00:56:41.039
<v Speaker 2>Roger Ebert describes the film as quote dreary and terminally depressing and quote, which I think is how we would also describe

00:56:41.690 --> 00:56:44.900
<v Speaker 3>Are we giving our review now it's boring.

00:56:45.050 --> 00:56:46.130
<v Speaker 3>It's boring.

00:56:46.130 --> 00:56:46.969
<v Speaker 3>And it's stupid.

00:56:47.179 --> 00:56:47.630
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:56:48.590 --> 00:56:50.389
<v Speaker 3>Like what a letdown.

00:56:50.929 --> 00:56:54.469
<v Speaker 2>And there's a remake like there's, you know, and there's, there's things that come with.

00:56:54.539 --> 00:56:58.099
<v Speaker 2>It's just crazy to me, how much buzz is around it.

00:56:58.460 --> 00:56:59.780
<v Speaker 2>It's this huge thing.

00:56:59.809 --> 00:57:01.159
<v Speaker 2>People are going crazy for it.

00:57:01.161 --> 00:57:04.400
<v Speaker 2>And then they make like such a boring, slow film.

00:57:04.730 --> 00:57:07.489
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, we are a modern audience.

00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:07.940
<v Speaker 2>I'll give them that

00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:09.289
<v Speaker 3>Are a modern audience.

00:57:09.409 --> 00:57:12.500
<v Speaker 3>I know this is a movie you like, but take a look at Rosemary's baby.

00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:14.179
<v Speaker 2>I don't like Rosemary's baby.

00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:14.599
<v Speaker 2>Perfect.

00:57:14.601 --> 00:57:16.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't like, what's his name?

00:57:16.041 --> 00:57:16.820
<v Speaker 2>Roman Polanski.

00:57:16.820 --> 00:57:17.510
<v Speaker 2>He's a terrible,

00:57:17.690 --> 00:57:18.289
<v Speaker 3>So yeah.

00:57:18.320 --> 00:57:19.760
<v Speaker 3>Take a look at Rosemary's baby.

00:57:20.179 --> 00:57:24.769
<v Speaker 3>This is a movie that it was like a Titan of horror back in its day.

00:57:24.829 --> 00:57:25.159
<v Speaker 3>Sure.

00:57:26.119 --> 00:57:27.420
<v Speaker 3>I think it's boring.

00:57:27.750 --> 00:57:29.340
<v Speaker 3>It's a slow, boring movie.

00:57:29.429 --> 00:57:33.179
<v Speaker 3>Full of little bit of suspense here and there.

00:57:33.329 --> 00:57:33.659
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:57:33.929 --> 00:57:36.179
<v Speaker 3>And the reveal is like lackluster.

00:57:36.539 --> 00:57:36.809
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:39.599
<v Speaker 3>Compared to Amityville horror.

00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:42.030
<v Speaker 3>Rosemary's baby looks like you're watching James Bond.

00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:42.750
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:57:42.780 --> 00:57:44.309
<v Speaker 2>I will give it that right.

00:57:44.590 --> 00:57:45.510
<v Speaker 2>It is.

00:57:45.570 --> 00:57:45.750
<v Speaker 2>It's

00:57:45.750 --> 00:57:55.199
<v Speaker 3>Boring and it's stupid, but it is so famous because a, it has the very iconic house that has endured over 32 more movies.

00:57:56.070 --> 00:57:56.070
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:57:56.969 --> 00:58:00.630
<v Speaker 3>Uh, and because of that long franchise, there's been much better.

00:58:00.630 --> 00:58:03.360
<v Speaker 3>Movies made that have stuck with people.

00:58:03.510 --> 00:58:03.840
<v Speaker 3>Sure.

00:58:04.590 --> 00:58:09.329
<v Speaker 2>Th the, just so many, there's so many in there, there's a lot of the sequels are things like the conjuring shore.

00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:20.699
<v Speaker 2>There's also a lot of them that are like Amityville, 3d Amityville for, I mean, you go flat, like there's a lot of Amityville specific sequels that it's just interesting to me because I've literally never heard of them before.

00:58:21.659 --> 00:58:26.849
<v Speaker 2>So even George Lutz admits that the original film takes a lot of liberties.

00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:34.050
<v Speaker 2>He actually took so many issues with the 2005 remake that he decided to Sue the filmmakers for what?

00:58:34.889 --> 00:58:38.340
<v Speaker 2>Because he thought this was, this is like defamation, this isn't what really happened.

00:58:38.940 --> 00:58:39.960
<v Speaker 3>Cause I still use his name.

00:58:40.110 --> 00:58:40.409
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:58:41.550 --> 00:58:43.860
<v Speaker 2>Kathy Lutz passed away in 2005.

00:58:44.489 --> 00:58:51.119
<v Speaker 2>And the, the, just to briefly talk about the remake, it was directed by Andrew Douglas and written by Scott Kosar.

00:58:52.050 --> 00:58:55.769
<v Speaker 2>The Amityville horror became an insane fascination.

00:58:55.860 --> 00:59:01.860
<v Speaker 2>Again, people literally by the busload started to flock to ocean avenue to catch a glimpse of the house.

00:59:02.309 --> 00:59:10.380
<v Speaker 2>People were so fanatic about it, that they even started running up to the house and grabbing pieces of the house pieces of the lawn, flooding neighbors yards.

00:59:10.380 --> 00:59:23.880
<v Speaker 2>It was chaos on the other side of things, the skeptics also started to raise their hands for one, some of the claims from the Watts family were obviously, as we've said, exaggerated and added onto at this point from the original claims.

00:59:23.909 --> 00:59:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Right?

00:59:24.121 --> 00:59:27.780
<v Speaker 2>So over the years, the lots and start to claim more and more things.

00:59:27.809 --> 00:59:28.050
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:59:28.050 --> 00:59:30.239
<v Speaker 2>Of course, especially as the buzz picks up

00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:36.630
<v Speaker 3>Or dies down rather either way, they start to lose some attention and everyone's bored at the same story.

00:59:36.630 --> 00:59:38.610
<v Speaker 3>So they make it up, but make it a little more spicy.

00:59:39.389 --> 00:59:41.969
<v Speaker 2>Others came forward to debunk certain claims.

00:59:42.300 --> 00:59:45.480
<v Speaker 2>For example, there was a fat neighborhood cat called pig.

00:59:45.929 --> 00:59:46.650
<v Speaker 2>Many believed.

00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:51.510
<v Speaker 2>Jodie was seeing this cat through her window and not a demonic pig that was talking to her.

00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:54.329
<v Speaker 3>The cat was named

00:59:54.329 --> 00:59:54.630
<v Speaker 2>Pig.

00:59:54.659 --> 00:59:54.929
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:59:54.989 --> 00:59:57.360
<v Speaker 2>He was like the neighborhood cat and everyone called him pig.

00:59:57.869 --> 01:00:00.239
<v Speaker 2>So she was probably like, I saw pig out the window.

01:00:00.240 --> 01:00:02.969
<v Speaker 2>And George was like, you saw pig out the window, you

01:00:02.969 --> 01:00:03.210
<v Speaker 3>Know?

01:00:03.389 --> 01:00:03.809
<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

01:00:03.811 --> 01:00:04.530
<v Speaker 3>And she's like, yeah,

01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:05.579
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:07.590
<v Speaker 2>I'm five people.

01:00:07.590 --> 01:00:09.269
<v Speaker 2>Also said that flies.

01:00:09.570 --> 01:00:17.820
<v Speaker 2>Uh, one of the actual investigators, like the police up investigators said that flies would actually be expected in this situation.

01:00:18.420 --> 01:00:21.449
<v Speaker 2>So the bodies were back to the original DeFeo murders, right?

01:00:22.349 --> 01:00:27.760
<v Speaker 2>The bodies were removed after 48 hours and the house was sealed and the heat was on.

01:00:29.019 --> 01:00:30.639
<v Speaker 2>So flies would be expected.

01:00:30.670 --> 01:00:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Right.

01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:35.739
<v Speaker 3>Did he kill them and then report it immediately?

01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:38.110
<v Speaker 2>It was the next day.

01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:38.650
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

01:00:38.650 --> 01:00:44.739
<v Speaker 3>So 72 hours since the murders, a body and heat for three days is probably,

01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:48.849
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's saying the bodies were removed after 48 hours.

01:00:49.150 --> 01:00:49.630
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

01:00:49.630 --> 01:00:52.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's since from murder or from reporting.

01:00:53.289 --> 01:00:53.289
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

01:00:53.530 --> 01:00:56.289
<v Speaker 3>If we take some liberties, they were there for a few years, just rotting.

01:00:57.400 --> 01:01:09.460
<v Speaker 2>So another claim that comes into question at one point, George lot's claimed, which we see in the film that a window slammed down on his son's hand and that they took the boy to Brunswick hospital to be treated

01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:12.489
<v Speaker 3>And everyone knows Brunswick hospital.

01:01:15.190 --> 01:01:16.630
<v Speaker 2>Well, here's the thing.

01:01:17.739 --> 01:01:26.409
<v Speaker 2>But when threatened to subpoena the records of the hospital, George changed his story to say that they actually treated him at home.

01:01:27.070 --> 01:01:33.369
<v Speaker 2>So like an investigator, a journalist, somebody was like, okay, we're going to subpoena the records to verify that claim.

01:01:33.820 --> 01:01:40.690
<v Speaker 2>And he was like, oh no, no, no, no, actually I forgot we treated him at home, but she don't forget bringing your kid to a hospital.

01:01:42.010 --> 01:01:42.250
<v Speaker 3>Uh, you

01:01:42.250 --> 01:01:45.159
<v Speaker 2>Can, if you do, then you're not someone who I trust.

01:01:45.190 --> 01:01:46.630
<v Speaker 3>There's some bad parents out there.

01:01:46.750 --> 01:01:47.019
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:01:47.050 --> 01:01:49.150
<v Speaker 2>But I don't believe

01:01:49.150 --> 01:01:49.719
<v Speaker 3>That they're not

01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:50.409
<v Speaker 2>Liars.

01:01:52.449 --> 01:01:59.860
<v Speaker 2>Also a reporter who was later in the home said that counterweights were actually miss set on this particular window.

01:02:00.309 --> 01:02:07.090
<v Speaker 2>And if you stepped in a certain place in the room, you could trigger the window to open or close just by standing in certain places.

01:02:08.309 --> 01:02:11.650
<v Speaker 3>Uh, I mean, have you ever worked with these like super old counterweighted windows?

01:02:13.030 --> 01:02:17.320
<v Speaker 3>Uh, I mean, it's actually kind of neat how this works because yeah.

01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:27.429
<v Speaker 3>The window because of the counterweight and if it's like all nice and greased and just like not too much friction, like you can actually move the window with like no effort at all.

01:02:27.639 --> 01:02:28.239
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of cool.

01:02:28.449 --> 01:02:28.989
<v Speaker 2>That is cool.

01:02:29.050 --> 01:02:30.460
<v Speaker 2>Just never even heard of it before.

01:02:30.820 --> 01:02:40.360
<v Speaker 3>Uh, it, you know, so, um, you ever been, here's a good example, you know, like the big factory doors, like the big slidey ones.

01:02:40.690 --> 01:02:40.690
<v Speaker 3>Sure.

01:02:41.289 --> 01:02:44.800
<v Speaker 3>So they are counterweighted because there are hundreds of pounds of steel.

01:02:45.130 --> 01:02:45.519
<v Speaker 3>Right, right.

01:02:45.969 --> 01:02:53.650
<v Speaker 3>But the counter, so like you can, you can move them almost effortlessly because, because the counterweight it's like, it's, it's a net zero.

01:02:54.070 --> 01:02:55.179
<v Speaker 3>Not, not exactly.

01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:57.909
<v Speaker 3>Um, but like it'll stay in its exact position.

01:02:57.940 --> 01:02:58.210
<v Speaker 3>Right.

01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:04.659
<v Speaker 3>Uh, so fun fact, uh, these doors are now illegal, uh, because they're on a slant.

01:03:04.869 --> 01:03:08.739
<v Speaker 3>And the reason behind this is because the counterweight would be made out of lead.

01:03:09.250 --> 01:03:13.780
<v Speaker 3>So if there was a fire, the led would melt, right.

01:03:14.230 --> 01:03:15.280
<v Speaker 3>And the door would

01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Slam shut and everyone will be trapped inside, but

01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:21.429
<v Speaker 3>It would contain the fire and saved some of the property.

01:03:21.789 --> 01:03:22.809
<v Speaker 3>Jesus Christ.

01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:23.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:03:23.001 --> 01:03:23.630
<v Speaker 3>A lot less.

01:03:23.630 --> 01:03:24.710
<v Speaker 3>A lot of people died.

01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:25.309
<v Speaker 3>That's

01:03:25.309 --> 01:03:25.849
<v Speaker 2>Terrible.

01:03:26.780 --> 01:03:27.500
<v Speaker 2>That's terrible.

01:03:28.730 --> 01:03:30.409
<v Speaker 3>Actually, as soon as, I mean, hang on.

01:03:30.739 --> 01:03:37.909
<v Speaker 3>So this is what I was told, but now I'm thinking about like, why wouldn't it just the rope burn, I guess it's either or either way.

01:03:38.019 --> 01:03:38.449
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:03:39.829 --> 01:03:45.349
<v Speaker 2>Even within the paranormal community, most belief that Amityville was a hoax.

01:03:45.860 --> 01:03:49.489
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of controversy over the publishing of the book, right?

01:03:49.690 --> 01:03:58.039
<v Speaker 2>The book that Jay Anson wrote, because it says on the cover a true story, but many people believe most of it was made up.

01:03:58.380 --> 01:04:04.489
<v Speaker 2>Sounds made up when confronted Jay Anson blatantly said that he was in it for the money and nothing more.

01:04:05.090 --> 01:04:05.869
<v Speaker 3>Can you blame him?

01:04:06.170 --> 01:04:12.260
<v Speaker 2>Actually, it's a kind of a funny part in the documentary because someone, one of the people who was being interviewed was the person who confronted him.

01:04:12.739 --> 01:04:19.639
<v Speaker 2>And he said that Jay Hanson's response was, I want to die like one day on an island with a case of cashmere sweaters.

01:04:20.030 --> 01:04:21.619
<v Speaker 2>And the guy was like, why is that your goal?

01:04:21.621 --> 01:04:22.820
<v Speaker 2>Like a case of sweaters.

01:04:22.820 --> 01:04:24.380
<v Speaker 2>Why is that your ultimate fantasy?

01:04:24.769 --> 01:04:26.780
<v Speaker 2>Like to have a case of sweaters.

01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:30.590
<v Speaker 3>Can you imagine though, you're on an island and you brought sweaters.

01:04:30.710 --> 01:04:32.510
<v Speaker 3>That's how rich money.

01:04:32.510 --> 01:04:32.630
<v Speaker 3>Right?

01:04:32.929 --> 01:04:33.710
<v Speaker 2>The island part.

01:04:33.710 --> 01:04:38.269
<v Speaker 2>I might've, I don't remember, but there was definitely like a chest of cashmere sweaters.

01:04:39.050 --> 01:04:39.230
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:04:39.829 --> 01:04:41.719
<v Speaker 3>You're bringing superfluous things out.

01:04:41.721 --> 01:04:44.570
<v Speaker 3>An airline that's that's that's money.

01:04:45.230 --> 01:04:49.340
<v Speaker 2>The Lutz family claimed to never sign a contract with author J Anson.

01:04:49.579 --> 01:04:56.210
<v Speaker 2>They walked away with$300,000 from the book and film Anson made millions from the project.

01:04:57.409 --> 01:05:07.070
<v Speaker 2>The original house still exists, but one 12 ocean avenue does not, the house had changed hands at least four times since the murders.

01:05:07.489 --> 01:05:14.900
<v Speaker 2>And the address was officially changed to 1 0 8 ocean avenue to dissuade people from tourists, from stopping.

01:05:15.769 --> 01:05:17.630
<v Speaker 3>But doesn't, isn't that like right down the street.

01:05:18.500 --> 01:05:18.500
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:05:20.210 --> 01:05:24.860
<v Speaker 2>They just changed the address so that it doesn't come up as easily when you look Google it or whatever.

01:05:24.860 --> 01:05:28.250
<v Speaker 2>And I think probably to just change the history of it, you know,

01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:30.199
<v Speaker 3>But you just told everyone.

01:05:30.289 --> 01:05:30.500
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:05:30.501 --> 01:05:31.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean, someone told me, so

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<v Speaker 3>Secret's out

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<v Speaker 2>Folks in February of 2007, which was the most recent sale.

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<v Speaker 2>It sold for$605,000, which was$200,000 less than the asking price.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to say like, that's actually a pretty good deal for a house that size.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Right

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<v Speaker 2>On the water on long island.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's

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<v Speaker 3>Amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>No wonder they were asking more,

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<v Speaker 2>They were asking$800,000.

01:05:57.141 --> 01:06:03.829
<v Speaker 2>But remember the Lutz family, we have to consider inflation, but they only got it for$80,000 because it was so reduced after the murder.

01:06:04.099 --> 01:06:05.630
<v Speaker 3>I always get into the good times.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you ever live there?

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<v Speaker 2>No.

01:06:10.190 --> 01:06:15.559
<v Speaker 3>If you were given, if you had the opportunity to buy that house and you could afford it.

01:06:15.619 --> 01:06:15.860
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Would

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>I just said, no,

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<v Speaker 3>You wouldn't sell it.

01:06:20.630 --> 01:06:22.079
<v Speaker 3>No, you wouldn't flip it.

01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:22.530
<v Speaker 3>You get people

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<v Speaker 2>Keep ever personally we're trying to sell it, loses money on it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to sell it.

01:06:27.190 --> 01:06:27.329
<v Speaker 2>You can,

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<v Speaker 3>You could rent it out

01:06:28.260 --> 01:06:30.570
<v Speaker 2>To the, if I had that much money, I would buy a different house.

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<v Speaker 2>That was nice.

01:06:31.409 --> 01:06:32.070
<v Speaker 2>That wasn't high

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<v Speaker 3>Rented out to these ghost shows.

01:06:33.960 --> 01:06:35.909
<v Speaker 3>They'd love that you'd make so much money.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the story of Amityville in all its glory.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a mess.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:06:42.389 --> 01:06:43.230
<v Speaker 2>A messy mess.

01:06:43.590 --> 01:06:43.889
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I, it kind of underwhelming, I feel like in a way, at the end of the day one, like I like obviously a paranormal story that has some legs to stand on and this one just doesn't because everything gets so clouded by the money.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It's

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<v Speaker 2>Stupid.

01:07:00.869 --> 01:07:08.789
<v Speaker 2>But I'm also glad we covered it because I feel like if we're talking about again, the history of horror, it's a very important one to dive into.

01:07:08.791 --> 01:07:11.940
<v Speaker 2>And I think it's important for us to address those things as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So even if they're not as fun or entertaining,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if they wrote the book on like haunted house, spirit movie.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's definitely an important movie despite the fact that it's awful.

01:07:27.809 --> 01:07:34.320
<v Speaker 3>Uh, it's like watching, uh, the original mummy, you know, it's a little underwhelming sure.

01:07:34.769 --> 01:07:35.070
<v Speaker 3>Things.

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<v Speaker 3>Aren't exactly what you're expecting and not in a good way, but you see all of what it's done to influence so much other media that's come along since then,

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:47.010
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:07:47.010 --> 01:07:52.469
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's certainly we can't deny how influential it's been and how much it really penetrated the country.

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<v Speaker 2>Despite what we know now.

01:07:54.150 --> 01:07:54.300
<v Speaker 2>Right.

01:07:54.300 --> 01:07:59.550
<v Speaker 2>Because also we're talking from a perspective of hindsight where a lot of these people didn't have that.

01:07:59.550 --> 01:08:02.369
<v Speaker 2>A lot of the stuff that I talked about came out years and years later.

01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:11.550
<v Speaker 2>So, you know, we all kind of, we condensed it down into this one episode, but it really, I'm not blaming anybody for believing in it.

01:08:11.550 --> 01:08:11.789
<v Speaker 2>Right.

01:08:11.791 --> 01:08:13.500
<v Speaker 2>Or whatever you feel about it.

01:08:13.501 --> 01:08:19.500
<v Speaker 2>But a lot of the opposition came out much, much later after the fact indeed.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you guys so much for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to say, and I'll say it again, that we are adding some new, really cool designs and products to our merch store.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just so I don't know, lucky to know really great designers and to have a lot of cool friends that we've made through this project or friends in real life that are just talented and are helping us add some cool stuff to our store that I would wear that Alan overbear like really beautiful designs, really spooky design.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you guys so much in advance for all of your support and for everyone who's already purchased merchant for us.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a lot of cool stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Check it out.

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<v Speaker 3>It

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<v Speaker 2>Really is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:09:07.800 --> 01:09:09.930
<v Speaker 2>Thank you guys again so much for listening.

01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:11.609
<v Speaker 2>We hope you all stay safe.

01:09:11.819 --> 01:09:12.630
<v Speaker 2>Stay spooky.

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<v Speaker 2>And we'll talk to you next time.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye bye.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah,

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<v Speaker 4>Hello.

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<v Speaker 4>My name is[inaudible] nurse and I want to tell you about my phone horror movie podcast called autopsy of a horror movie on my show.

01:09:32.841 --> 01:09:36.979
<v Speaker 4>I like to have fun dissecting out what makes a horror movie scary?

01:09:37.010 --> 01:09:37.789
<v Speaker 4>What worked for it?

01:09:37.791 --> 01:09:40.130
<v Speaker 4>What did it, what types of fears that's a play off of?

01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:42.319
<v Speaker 4>Isn't an allegory for any sort of message.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, but let's find out also.

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<v Speaker 4>I like to watch slashers.

01:09:46.551 --> 01:09:50.569
<v Speaker 4>I'm a big slasher guy, so I'll watch a slasher and do a kill grade for it.

01:09:50.750 --> 01:09:57.949
<v Speaker 4>I will cover the kills and I will tell you how I would grade it based on shock methods, style points, and a fourth category.

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<v Speaker 4>That is a reflection of the movie.

01:10:00.020 --> 01:10:06.800
<v Speaker 4>Besides those I'll have fun with special topics, episodes, commentary, tracks, interviews with guests, including some shutter directors.

01:10:06.930 --> 01:10:09.079
<v Speaker 4>So I just like to have a fun time over here.

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<v Speaker 4>If any of this sounds interesting to you, or do you want to come check me out, please head over to Spotify, apple podcasts, or anywhere that you listen to podcasts and search for autopsy of a horror movie.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 4>And I hope that you get to enjoy this show and I'll see you on Instagram by,

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<v Speaker 5>Um,