Exclusive Poll: What Voters Are Saying About Housing

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Our numbers have been

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creeping up on a very nice
trajectory over this last year,

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and I'm assuming that everyone
in this room is giving it

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five stars and making that rating.

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I think we have a five star rating.

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- I hope so. I, I don't know, I don't,

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I don't read the comments.

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and then you guys can put them in.

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We've got lots of information to share

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with you over the next
20 minutes or so. Yeah,

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- So this is really exciting.

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So we had an opportunity
about two weeks ago

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to commission some national polling.

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This is with a company
called Public Opinion

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Strategies and Heart Research.

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We've partnered with them before

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and we got the results back on Monday.

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So we've spent the past
day sort of parsing

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through, through the results.

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And so this survey was 800
voters nationwide, margin

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of error of about 3.4%,
a very high quality poll.

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As, as the pollsters told
me on the, on the call

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that I had with 'em a few days ago.

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There was like, there
was no fat in this poll.

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It was a really, really good survey,

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and the numbers are quite interesting.

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And so what we did is we
asked the respondents some

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questions about housing affordability,

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and then we specifically
polled five issues

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that we've been advocating for.

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And so I wanna start, let's, let's start

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with the, with the grim.

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You want to, you want to get
that out of the way first,

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- Just jumpers get it out of the way.

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- Yeah. So on the grim side of things, we,

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we got a pretty depressing number back,

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- Depressing, but not surprising.

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We all know that
affordability is the buzzword

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of 2026 on both sides
of the aisle, both sides

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of the capitol coming
from the White House.

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And this is why 78% of
voters who we pulled say,

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it is not a good time to buy a house.

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And the most often reasons
mentioned are prices are too

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high, that there's an
affordability squeeze

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because other stuff they're
buying is just too expensive.

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There's economic uncertainty.

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And the respondents specifically mentioned

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that there's a lack of
affordable inventory.

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This is what you have been seeing.

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And we have been flagging for lawmakers

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for the last two congresses
since the pandemic

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that this is becoming
increasingly problematic.

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And those numbers are pretty dire.

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But with those numbers comes the data

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that we need to tell this story.

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- Yeah. And, and not surprising

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that 78% think it's not a
good time to buy a house,

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because every time you turn
on the news, you hear about,

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and especially the past few
years, it's, it's starting

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to alleviate great presentation from

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Lawrence just a second ago.

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Interest rates are coming down,

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but past couple of years
there's been a real inventory

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challenge and it's been in
the news pretty regularly,

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and that's just not surprising.

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- So, and how many of us
are locked in at a 3% rate

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that we're not letting go?

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Right? That's what's going
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- Two and a half.
- Oh, nice. Nicely done.

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- Every time I sell
that to somebody, they,

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they look like they wanna punch me,

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but never letting that go.

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So portability, so this really stuck out

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to me in the poll as well, Shannon.

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So 76% of non homeowners feel
that they will never be able

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to own a home.

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That was another figure that came back.

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So those are the folks
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almost like they've given up the

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deck is stacked against them.

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And, and we hear this
narrative all the time.

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So I was on Instagram a while back

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and I saw this video

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where this guy was saying it was cheaper

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to live in a five star all inclusive

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resort than to buy a house.

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And he was like trying to break it down.

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And I was like, yeah, well
dummy, you don't own a part

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of the resort at the end of the month,

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like you do your house,

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- But wait, which resort?

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- Well, you know, that might,
that might make a difference.

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But you know, there's a lot of stuff like

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that out on social media, you
know, people trying to say,

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oh, it's better to rent or whatnot.

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And so that narrative
has really crept in there

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with young people, or at
least it feels like it have.

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But that is not what this poll told us.

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So some of the positive news here,

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and this is the the number that I loved,

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- 85% of the respondents
say, owning a home is part

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of the American dream.

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They're not giving up on that.

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And that is up from 79%
of those who were asked

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that question in 2013.

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- There you go. So that
is, that's a huge number.

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So 85%

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of voters nationwide
still feel like owning a

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home is part of the American dream.

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- So not giving up on that dream,

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but they're just seeing
that it's insurmountable.

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And our job is to make
sure that they understand

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what policies, what tools,
what people are there

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to help make that a reality.

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- Yeah. And young people,
we did break this down

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by different demographics
and including by age.

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And so, you know, young people
were right there as well,

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wanting to own a home.

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So in fact, 82% of respondents 18

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to 34 believe owning a home
part of the American dream.

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So that is still high in that Gen Z sort

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of like younger demographic
where we're, where we,

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we think we're hearing this narrative

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that they don't want to own a home.

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- And, and we also ask, so

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that's similar across all
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genders, and also political leanings.

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88% of Republicans and
83% of independents,

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and 82% of Democrats who
all believe that yes,

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this is part of the American dream.

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- And that, that that age
bracket, 18 to 34, 80 2% said

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that owning a home is part
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That's up from 75% in 2013.

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So the, the, the sentiment

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of home ownership is actually
increasing for young people.

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So that's good news.

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So now that we're done with
how we feel about it all,

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we decided to also ask about
some specific policies.

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And so this was kind of striking.

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So I'm gonna, I'm gonna
tell you this number

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and then we're gonna come
back to it a little bit later.

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But only 9% of respondents said,

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current federal government
policies make it

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easier to buy a home.

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9% of voters think the government

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makes it easier to buy a home.

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Now, we've proposed a
lot of policy solutions.

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Some have been enacted into law,

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especially in the tax reform
bill that passed, but we,

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but there's, there's a few out there

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that we're still advocating
for that we are really pushing.

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And so we sort of tease
these five positions.

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And so tell me what sort of
came out on top among those?

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- Well, sure, and first,
it, it's important to note

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that this is an omnibus poll

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where we're going into
these issues one by one,

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but we're not going
deep into these issues.

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This isn't what they call a
push pull where you're like,

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well, if you knew that you
had a program called the FHA

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that allows for a 3% down
payment, would you think

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that federal government is doing more?

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So what that does show is that
folks are either not aware

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of current policies

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or they have been around so
long that they're just kind

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of taken for granted that exists.

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What are you going to do for, for us now?

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So one of the top items
that came out that, of this

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that we were not surprised

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because we've done
previous polls on this, is

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to allow prospective home
buyers to save money tax free

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to be used to purchase a home.

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84% supported that.

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And so we've seen this with policies

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where the president recently
came out with using your 401k

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and being able to tap
into further into that

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for home ownership.

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And also the savings
accounts that were a part

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of the tax bill last year that
allow for current deposits

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to be used by future
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It starts this year that
can also 100% be used

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for those home purchases.

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We also saw that tax incentives

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that require building developers

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to provide affordable rentals

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to low income households had 71% support.

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And that providing tax incentives

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to investors in the home rental
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homes to first time buyers, 71%.

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That is the policy that we
passed in November at next.

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And that we have shared
with lawmakers, we've shared

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with the White House and is
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president's executive order
from earlier this week.

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- And, you know, these are,
these are high numbers.

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I mean, when you pull
anything in politics,

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if you're getting in
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percent, that that doesn't,

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- Anything over 50 makes
it seem bipartisan.

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- And yeah, that doesn't happen.

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So the other, the other
issue that we polled,

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and this is obviously something
we have a huge campaign,

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you know, currently
ongoing is capital gains.

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And that it's such a big one for us.

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We've rebranded it, the home equity tax

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when we're talking about it on the hill.

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So what were the results when
we asked respondents about,

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about the home equity tax

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- Strong support for
providing a one-time option

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to sell your home and pay
no taxes on the profit

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that is 76% support.

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And then increasing the amount

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that sellers can make in profit
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before they have to pay taxes.

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Like more homes on the market,

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doubling the capital gains exemption.

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That one had 67% support.

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So again, bipartisan across age groups,

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very important information
for policy makers to know.

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- So I plugged in, you
know, the Bureau of Labor

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and Statistics, a little time
machine inflation calculator.

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So you can, you can go back

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and see, you know, oh well what's a,

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what was a hundred dollars
worth in 1922 or whatever.

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So I, I plugged in $250,000 in 1997

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and today that is worth two

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$502,000 with inflation.

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And that's literally

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what the mor homes on the Market act does.

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It doubles the exclusion.

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- I love when the math actually works out.

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- I know, oh, that's, and
500 k equals $1,004,000.

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And so the mors on the market,
a single person, two 50,

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a married couple, 500,
it, it would double that.

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- Right? And then more homes,
it also index to inflation

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to make sure that we're not
going back in another 30,

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40 years and saying, Hey,

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look at home values now
why is this not making it?

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And then we also saw from
Congressman Alfred today,

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the support is increasing for getting rid

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of capital gains altogether
on home sales when it's coming

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from your primary residence.

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So that's another key argument
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and others to look at.

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- Yeah. And Lawrence, of course,
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what is the probability
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- I said, are you on the
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that we wanna give a
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that Congress is doing because I

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think that backfires on you.

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- Yeah, but it's, well, what's
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- Probability is in the process

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and with the process, what we are at,

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and that's the political answer.

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What we are advocating for is
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that would allow for many of
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there are other areas
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for this budget reconciliation process.

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The problem with that process
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and these policies are not partisan.

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So we are trying to move
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through the normal course of events.

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We were able to get scores
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and on abolishing the capital
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And those scores, they're, this is going

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to sound really expensive,

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but in federal government
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for more homes and 8
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Pretty sure that the Treasury
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in the couch cushions.

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There are massive, massive programs

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that can help accommodate for that.

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The concern is more what can be done

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through legislation versus
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and how quickly it can get done.

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to the White House and others is tax

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holiday on these issues.

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If you can't put it into a
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then can you do something that is a one

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who have been sitting on
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the incentive to go out there.

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Dave Ramsey just talked about
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who we prepped a couple months
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steam throughout the, the

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Nice. Well this, the tax
free savings, very popular

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among Republicans,
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It polled 81 86, 87.

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So that was our most probably

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bipartisan item in the poll.

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But the, the poll polling
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when I was speaking with
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that N ARS must might
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that we've ever had because
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of turned out for what we
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and, and to sell these policies. So we,

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- And we, and we purposefully
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that is bipartisan so that we
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the entire political
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And they're like, every
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these are the most bipartisan solutions.

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We said, well that's by design

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because we are the ones who created them.

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- Okay, so I love this about the survey.

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So you remember I'd said this
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of respondents thought current
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buying a home easier.

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Well, after we polled and,

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and shared the information on
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that question again at
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would these five
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easier if they were passed?

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And I'm like, drum roll.

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- So after being told
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and seeing those numbers spike up, 64%

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of the respondents said
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that those are federal government policies

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that would make home
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That's what we're bringing
to Capitol Hill right there.

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And that increase was similar
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and all of the subgroups that were asked.

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So very consistent information.

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- Yeah, and, and you know, that's sort of,

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that's sort of turnaround.

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These are policies that
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for on the Hill for a while and,

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and some of them, you know,
so we, we got a lot of a lot

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of things in the tax bill

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and we knew some things
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for various political reasons.

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But what's the conclusion
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that we're advocating
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receiving such high support?

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I mean, what conclusion do you draw?

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- I I immediately draw that
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system that has support
across the country.

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That the American people still
believe in home ownership.

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They just need to have the
government meet them halfway.

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And they need to see that
there are these proposals

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that are out there and these
policies that can make it work.

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There's really can ask
for more radical shift

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and these five proposals,
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more people are going
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And we've talked about this. There,

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there is an inventory problem,

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but what this survey shows is

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that there is an issue
if it's just an optics,

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if it's just in how folks feel
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now, that they're not coming to the table

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because they don't think
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table for home ownership.

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These were not leading questions.

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The pollster described them
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that there was no fat
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So we think we have a
lot to work with here.

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- Well, you have, you
have the, the figures now.

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So what are you

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and our awesome lobby team,
what do you do with it once,

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once you do something like this?

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- Well, we will be publicizing this.

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You guys are the first to hear
of this, to tell our story

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because we know that good
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opinion support equals good politics.

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And that is what folks, our lawmakers

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around the country want to hear.

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That these proposals
aren't just good ideas,

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but they're supported by
voters, supported by homeowners

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and those who would like
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And we have the data to show it.

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We'll work with our research
team as we always do.

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We have a, a great foundation
with all of our research

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and statistics and adding on more

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of these public policy polls
where we can show here's

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where our realtor members are,
here's where homeowners are,

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and then here's where the
general public is when it

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comes to public policy.

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That's the kind of content
that we take to the hill.

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We take to the White House.

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We take around the country
to help make this sell.

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- And speaking of that, you know,

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we just put our updated talking points,

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our federal talking points for the year.

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These are what our lobby
team takes to the hill

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and our FPCs will take to
the hill when they meet

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with lawmakers in May and at RLM

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and they just went live on
Flyin realtor yesterday is the,

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- Is Yep.

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We have them all up on Fly realtor. And

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- They're also in the
app, the event app. So,

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- And in the app, and I wanna
flip the script a little bit

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because you're asking how the,
the lobby team is going to,

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to manage this, but we
commissioned similar polling

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during the tax reform debate
last year when the tax cut

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and jobs act was expiring.

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And we had many key
provisions that we needed

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to either keep in there or expand

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and you put together the campaign on that.

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Tell everyone about how that

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- Worked.

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Well, you know, we, we
commissioned similar polling on the

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tax bills you said,

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and, you know, we had to
sell it to the beltway.

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And so, you know, we did, we did some

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advertising in Politico.

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We sponsored a couple
of the, the newsletters,

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the morning newsletters that
we know all the hill staff

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and all the policy makers
in DC read very targeted

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advertising campaign.

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It wasn't, it wasn't
geared toward the public.

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This, this was, this was
information that we were trying

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to get to policymakers.

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And you know how, like,
you know, Coca-Cola has

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to remind you every two
minutes that you want

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to have a Coca-Cola, right?

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We all know what Coke tastes like,

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but you know, they, you have
to constantly remind us,

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you know, to go buy Coke.

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Well that was the same with
these facts and figures.

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We just want to hit him with it over

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and over and over again.

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You know, resident trump's
the master of the art of like,

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just say something over and over

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and over and over and over again.

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And, and it just, you know,
ends up in the public mind.

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And, and we want to do that
with, with our, our messaging

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around all of this because
it's a never ending fight. So

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- Yes, and we'll need your help.

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This information isn't just
for us to consume and be aware.

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You all are aware. It
is for us to make sure

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that we are publishing and sharing

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and that people know that
these are important policies.

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And now I really wanna Coke

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Patrick, you had to mention that.

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- So yeah, well closing
time here for the day and,

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and for the, this episode,

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we had a pretty cool event
occur here at this conference.

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So all of those listening to
this podcast who aren't here,

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will you tell us a little bit about

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how you convened a
congressional hearing Earlier on

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- Stage?

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We're, we're, we're, we're delivering FOMO

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through the, the podcast.

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But for those here at advocacy week,

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who had the opportunity this morning to

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see the four co-chairs of the
real estate caucus in person,

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it is quite difficult to
get four members of Congress

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to show up even for lunch
in the Capitol, let alone

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to go downtown and have an opportunity

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to speak to all of you.

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But it was a, it was an
honor and very productive

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because we had Congressman Lou Correa,

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Congressman Tracy Mann,
Congresswoman Bri Pederson,

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Congressman Mark Alford,
who again, the original, the

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og co-chairs of the Real Estate

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Caucus agreeing on legislation
that should be moving.

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One agreed to co-sponsor.
The other is legislation.

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So these are important
relationships that we have,

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but also important conversations
to have in front of all

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of you because it helps
us to support them,

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hold folks accountable when necessary

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and make sure that we can
expand on that message

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and get more folks to,
to join their cause.

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So it was a, a special time.

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I think we got them to commit
to coming back next year too,

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so, we'll, we'll keep these going.

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- They had some great stories

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and I I'll tell you, you know,
you can't get four members

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to Congress to show up
to their own committee

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hearing at the same time.

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'cause they're Right.
You know, it's like they,

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that's really true.

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I mean, they, they're
never all there in the

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same room together.

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Even when the hearing
is underway, they're,

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because they're oftentimes
have three hearings

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simultaneously going on.

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- And it's what one of the
number one questions we get is,

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you know, is, is Congress
really as divided?

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Is DC as bad as it looks?

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And as I'm back there listening
to the banter, they're,

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they're planning on, you know,

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joining each other in the district

500
00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,470
and for trips is that it
is, it is not that bad.

501
00:19:25,470 --> 00:19:27,930
That's, that's what
television wants you to see.

502
00:19:27,930 --> 00:19:31,620
But in person we see these
opportunities for engagement

503
00:19:31,620 --> 00:19:32,640
and it's really happening.

504
00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,140
And I think that a lot of that is

505
00:19:34,140 --> 00:19:36,330
because of the work that
is being done in this room

506
00:19:36,330 --> 00:19:38,130
and by realtors across the country

507
00:19:38,130 --> 00:19:39,150
who are getting these jobs done.

508
00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,120
- Yeah, I mean that bipartisanship, it's,

509
00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:47,400
it's when you work on
the hill, like we did,

510
00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:48,510
we saw it all the time.

511
00:19:48,510 --> 00:19:50,880
I mean, our bosses would
go on Dels together,

512
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,830
which are congressional
congressional delegation.

513
00:19:52,830 --> 00:19:54,420
It's like a congressional delegation trip.

514
00:19:54,420 --> 00:19:57,690
So they'll go off of to,
you know, tour something

515
00:19:57,690 --> 00:20:00,120
or whatever and, and they'll
be half a dozen dozen

516
00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:02,430
of them on the trip,
Democrats and Republicans

517
00:20:02,430 --> 00:20:04,230
and they're, they're all
getting along and talking

518
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:06,990
and they're sketching out
bills on the back of napkins

519
00:20:06,990 --> 00:20:08,970
and while they're on the plane and, and,

520
00:20:08,970 --> 00:20:11,400
and the public just
never gets to see that.

521
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,490
They only see the, the hit on cable news

522
00:20:14,490 --> 00:20:15,630
where they're ripping each other

523
00:20:15,630 --> 00:20:16,630
- Apart.

524
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:18,480
They don't see the beer they
grab afterwards. Yeah. Right.

525
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:19,890
So that does happen.

526
00:20:19,890 --> 00:20:21,450
We're there for those beers
sometimes. Yeah. That's

527
00:20:21,450 --> 00:20:22,450
- Great.

528
00:20:22,450 --> 00:20:25,200
Yes. So any other than the bipartisanship

529
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,610
and the camaraderie that you witnessed,

530
00:20:26,610 --> 00:20:28,530
any other big takeaways
from the interview?

531
00:20:28,530 --> 00:20:31,830
I mean, maybe even on the, the policy side

532
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:34,710
that sounded like they all
really thought there was big

533
00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:37,200
momentum that housing
affordability was the

534
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:38,280
buzzword of the year.

535
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,700
- Absolutely. And I was
trying to not jump in front

536
00:20:41,700 --> 00:20:42,960
of our polling results,

537
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,150
but what we were hearing
directly from those members

538
00:20:45,150 --> 00:20:47,710
of Congress aligns with
what we see in our polls

539
00:20:47,710 --> 00:20:49,990
that folks just think that
they believe in the dream,

540
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:51,520
but they just feel like it's out of reach.

541
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,110
And we are here to,

542
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:55,330
to provide them the tools
that, that they need.

543
00:20:55,330 --> 00:20:57,850
And these members are
engaged and interested

544
00:20:57,850 --> 00:20:59,770
and they're not fighting over it. So

545
00:20:59,770 --> 00:21:01,630
- Well, we love to bring
members together like this.

546
00:21:01,630 --> 00:21:02,740
Well we love the bipartisan

547
00:21:02,740 --> 00:21:04,300
goosebumps and all those good feelings.

548
00:21:04,300 --> 00:21:07,450
So thank you very much for
tuning into the IY Scoop podcast.

549
00:21:07,450 --> 00:21:10,540
I hope everyone listening
that's not here has got fomo.

550
00:21:10,540 --> 00:21:12,670
- Everyone's got a cozy,
we're all set there.

551
00:21:12,670 --> 00:21:14,980
- So, oh my god, the
landfill is full of coozies.

552
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:19,480
We're gonna have to come up
with something else to give out.

553
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,930
But anyway, thank you so
much and that's the scoop.

554
00:21:22,930 --> 00:21:25,480
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listening to this podcast.

555
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:26,680
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556
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557
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558
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559
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560
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