Former Bachelorette DeAnna Stagliano, Plus: Molly Mesnick

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, happy our listeners. And I know you probably can't see us, but Rachel, where are you right now? Because it's a step up from the typical closet scene that we always sit in. I am so I've talked. I don't know if I've talked about it on this podcast, but I've said before that I'm going to be back and forth between La and Miami. So I'm finally in my LA apartment. It's got completely done yet, So for those of you who may be watching us, don't judge me quite yet. It's I totally feel like I'm in a hotel, but it feels really good to be here. And I don't know, are you big on visualization and manifestation, I'm about to go down this Yes, no, I am. I am so, I am too. And I've always wanted a place in La, like even if I'm writing, because that's what I'm doing. But I've always been too fearful to make the jump, to make the leap. I always put a bunch of excuses. So the fact that I'm actually here now and I have a place, it just internally means so much to me because I've always said, even before the batch I'm like, I thought about taking the California bar Exam and coming out here. I have close friends here, and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna do it. So to be here now it's just kind of fulfilling. M it feels right probably, Yeah, I'm sure in a sense, it's like you're, you know, crossing another thing off the bucket list. Well, like I said, for our listeners, they can't obviously see um, but Rachel has this like lovely set up with this cute little purple what does that call? Like an ottoman? And I am is that? I guess I'm sure that you without knocking off the computer, I had like a couple of things set up. Can you see? Oh that's Rachel. That's way more than I thought. It's like complete. I don't have a couch yet and I have a hangings, but yeah, like this is the beauty of doing from a distance because I'm just like shift that there and shift that there, and yeah, so I'm just a perfect I'm like, I can't show you everything. Yeah, no, I get it. I cannot wait to come visit. I uh, you know, it's you need to get back up to California, so I'll be crashing on the couch whenever you get that come on. So in the meantime, we have another exciting episode for you guys, and you know, recently between Rachel and I, but also it's our guests, we've been talking a lot about what the franchise means to us. You know, how long we've been watching, or why we started watching, what got us hooked in the first place. And one thing that you know, and this is something that I've always answered when people ask, like, what's one of your favorite things that came from, you know, both being on the Bachelor and Bachelor and besides finding love and being able to travel and have this really unique experience, is I think the sisterhood and the special bonds that you form with the women that you either live in the mansion with and that travel for two months with, but also the women too from other seasons, like Rachel, I didn't know you. We weren't on any of the same seasons together and it wasn't in until after I was bachelorret that I met you. And that goes for a lot of the other female contestants and leads who have been on the show. And I think that's something that you know, even though it is a reality TV show, and there's of course the drama, and there's the people that show up that aren't always there for the right reasons, but there's still those women that come on that want to hopefully find love but also form really strong bonds and friendships with the other women. And so that's something that before I left for the season of The Bachelor, I sat down and I talked to my mom about because she didn't want me to go on the show in the first place. She was like, it's gonna be caddie and drama filled. And the fact that I could carry on these lasting friendships with these amazing women is something truly truly special. And besides having them be really fun to watch, you know, they've just become your friends. And that's I think the best part of the franchise for me. Absolutely. I think it's something that you underestimate. And my mom was like your mom, like, oh no, and even my friends, which is kind of like, are you sure that's what you want to be a part of. It can be so catty, but and there are catty people, Let's just be honest. There are a lot of people that are trauma filled, but with the leads, it's just it's like all this one big community because you all go through something together. But with the leads, it's a different experience, and so you have another level of sisterhood that bonds you together. And so I remember coming into the fifteen year reunion and I was a little apprehensive about it, and I've shared that before, but I was so eager to meet the ones from the beginning, you know, like I hate to stay older because the funny thing is I'm the same age as them. So Al was on what nine ten seasons before me, and we're the exact same age. So it's like, I'm like, I'm not going to stay older, but I'm just more the ones who are more seasoned, who take away from us, and I just wanted to know what their experience was like with no social media and millions and millions, you know, like thirty twenty billion people watching the show and So's it's really been an honor to be a part of such a great batch of incredible women who've been on the show over the years. And you're really, really right, We're just so blessed to call them friends, to call them sisters, and that's something that I never thought would come about with the show, and I feel like this is this is great what we're doing today because we're kind of really on point because right now there's this whole women supporting women, women empowerment, women, women challenge thing that's going on. So I feel like we're taking that from social media and implementing it into our show show today. And I think that a lot of the Bachelor Nation fans have kind of waken up a bit, but the rarity is it they're awake to a lot of bachelors have been awakened to what this whole franchise really is and what and whose shoulders we stand on. And that's what I'm enjoying most from the Bachelor Greatest seasons ever was because it is shining a light on some of the more season seasons and we're just able to celebrate these women who have paid this way for us. And I think it's a great opportunity for the newer fans and even some of the people like myself who just never even watched the show before, to really see these incredible women, to see how they handled these men, how they navigate at their journey. Because I think the newer seasons that some of that is getting lost in the dramatization of the show. So oh yeah. But what's also so great is what these women have done off the screen. I mean, I don't mean to brag, but let's just be honest. The women have come off and done way more than the men have. The bachelorettes have really paved the way outside of this franchise more than the men. Hat I'm just saying, and I'm not even talking about the success in their relationships and just talking about the success and what they've done professionally. We really have some Moss women on this show, and there's just such an inspiration, they said, such a good example, not just for upcoming basturettes, not just for contestants on the show, but just for women in general. And so I really think that it's so important to have that mindset as you're watching these greatest seasons ever. We have them come on our podcast or maybe you follow them on social media. They're just great role models in general. Yeah, oh a thousand percent. And what I found even last week when we were talking with the Common Family and we had Emily, who was a few years younger than I am, and one of the things that she said is a twenty four year old is that you know, yes, the drama will hook them and it's entertaining, but she watches the show for having like strong, badass females to look up to and to take note from. And I think that that's something so important in this day and age, as we really need to build women up and support them and and you know, hold people accountable when we can. And so even hearing fans and other folks from the show say that, I think that's those are the types of conversation that I'd like to hear going on. And so if we can keep spreading that positivity with women, you know, younger or older, if they just started watching the show, if they've watched it for years, continue that because I think that's the best part. And with that, oh wait, can I just say this, I think you're so true. You have the nail on the head when you said and holding each other accountable. I think that sometimes when you get caught up in these movements, if you people think women supporting women means you have to support every single thing that they do. But if you have a good friend or a sister or someone like that, so when you care about, wouldn't you check them or maybe hold them accountable, as you said, if they're doing something that maybe you think isn't in their best interests. And I think that that is a part of this women's supporting women who don't blindly support people you know, or just do it in a grant in a general way. I think it's so important that we hold each other accountable for certain things, because that's what you do. Like as friends, you should be able to talk to each other and tell each other anything. Anyways, I'm so as you said that, because it's so yeah, no, and we get a lot of flags sometimes like you're not supporting women. How dare you say that? No, it's first of all, as an opinionated podcast, right, you don't have to agree with my opinions. I don't have to agree with yours. Let's just generate open conversation, and that's what we have. But it doesn't mean that we knock women. And I think we do a lot of supporting women on this show. And so that's why I'm glad for That's why I'm glad for what we're doing today because I really think our podcast is about that. We don't get caught up in the daily gossip or reporting you know, who broke up with who, or this person's arguing with this person. We really don't do that. I mean, I think like two percent of our show is about that. We try to rise above it and have conversations that are moving forward and highlighting bigger issues. So yeah, I love that. Well, that's a great segue I guess into what we have just I guess to announce our guests, because we don't just have one today. We have to and we're putting enough fun little twist on it. So if anyone, hopefully everyone out there, you know, I know there's not a lot going on in the world to day with you know, we're still in the semi shutdown quarantine. But if you're keeping up with the greatest seasons of all time, you obviously saw Brad Walmack season and recap last week and you probably fell in love with one of our guests. I know I did when I met her during the fifteen year reunion with all of us ladies last year. She's just the absolute sweetest, cutest person. She's one girl that we don't talk a ton just because our friendship, I would say, is blossoming and it's a little bit newer. But when I talked to her on the phone, she's just like this funny firecracker. I felt like the last time I hopped on the phone with her, I was supposed to be a quick call before an interview interview that we're going to do, and we ended up talking for way longer than I expected, And I'm like, this is like, that's the kind of people I want in my life, where you just let the time go and just it's just enjoyable. So we are going to be having Dianna Stagliano on here. She I Field recall, is the one. I mean, Brad during his first season didn't pick either one of the girls, but she was one of the final two. So she's gonna be on. And then you guys have probably heard me say, obviously we're having two guests, so we are actually going to surprise Dianna with a pop in from Molly Mesnick, who is another amazing lady from the franchise and one that I've gotten to know. You know, I've met her a few times while I was on tour, and I've gotten to know her and Jason a little bit more, and so I can't wait to have them both on and just have a really fun, empowering women conversation. And I am so excited for this one. I am too. I've only met Gosh, I guess I've only met them both once, Dianna and I was went through union, But I've talked to Dianna since, so I feel like I've met her a whole bunch of times. Like a little tidbit whenever we're whenever we discussing something in The Bachelor at group chat, I always side text Dianna. Really yes, I'm always like, did you see that girl? I love her so much, and she's so funny stuff, so funny, She's a firecracker. She's just like my kind of girl. And Molly was the absolute sweetest and she brought her daughter and of course Jason to the mansion when we were filming the fifteen Year Begunion. I guess they were in town for something, and I just thought that was so nice, and she fit right in. She might as well have stood up there with us, you know what I mean. When I'll go back were staying there, she might as well have been there. So I'm I'm excited to talk to them both. They both have such different perspectives when it comes to this franchise, I mean Molly especially. It's funny because and maybe this is just in general with the world, we're all revisionists, but I feel like invastur Nation, it's even it's even more of a title that our fans wear, like they will recreate how they feel a value and forget how they were in the moment, which I guess can be a gift and a curse. And so with Molly, it's very interesting because of the whole term pulling a mesnic and that situation. And I'm just curious to know if they were hated on as opposed to now they're revered as one of the top, you know, couples in bastur Nation. And then Dianna with that brad Man. Brad might be the most handsome bachelor's to me, so I gotta know, we gotta food. I think that's why he got it twice, because he's so freaking good looking. It isn't for his personality, no offense, but I mean he's probably easy to give all with and easy to look at. So let's let's given a go. I Rangel, Honestly, I don't even know if Diana knows what happened in that situation, honestly, like she I think to this and we'll get her on. We have to pick her brain about it. But to this day, she's like, I don't know what the hell went wrong that day, So buddy, it's it's not It's funny now again recreating history here. I'm sure it was awful at the time. I do want to ask you, though, because wait, did you watch Brad season? First of all, did you watch either one of them? I watched a second one, so I did not see the first one. My college roommate freshman year got me hooked because she was a longtime Bachelorette fan, and so she got me hooked on Brad's second season. But I didn't watch the whole thing. I only made it through like the last three or four episodes. But I do remember watching and it was so clear to me as like this eighteen nineteen year old girl. I was like, he's into Emily, Like she's the one, like she like game over for everyone else, people can go home. And that was my first time ever watching the show, and I just remember he ended up picking Emily that season. Obviously, you know, things didn't work out for them, but it was so clear to me. Yeah I didn't. I didn't watch it, but knowing Emily, I get it right. I mean, not nothing against the other girls or anything like that. But it's funny because as as revered as Brad may be because of his physical features, he's not well liked by certain people, particularly our dear friend, Grandma Honey, who was not being a fan a whole Brad. And I feel like she's not alone in that. That's probably the majority. It's like, you had this twice and you messed it up. So I do have a question for you, because, just in the spirit of Brad womat, if you could give a second go around to a former bachelor and a former bachelorette, who would it be? Why? Oh gosh, well, okay bachelorette. I would say Andy Dorfman. That's a well. And it's hard because mode I mean, Hannah and Andy. I think. I don't want this to sound terrible, but I'm just I think they're the only two single ones. And if I'm wrong, our fans will call me out, So please let me know. Um, but Andy's was, you know, a few years ago, so I don't know. I feel like I would like to see her again. Her season was entertaining. I loved when she was on one Populo season and called him out when she sent herself home, like that was the moment where I was I think like that was the moment where I was like, oh my god, this girl is such a badass. And um, so I would love to see Andy again. Bachelor's Rachel, I don't know. Well, it's hard, Um, you go first, you go first. Well, I would agree with you on Andy one. I think it's great when they I know Brad got back to back, but that might have been what hurt him in the end. You just need to step away and then come back because it almost, I don't know, like it takes you up a level. And like Andie's been out, she's written two books, she's done her thing. You know, she's I feel like she would come in and take the show up a level, Like her standards would be so high, she'd be high maintenance coming in, she'd tell people off, she'd be like, you know, she'd be in the dating room. And she wrote a freaking book about her adventures being single and dating in New York City. So it's like, come on, guys, stop that. So I just think it would be very fun to watch her guys, because I didn't watch a lot of faster seasons before me. I would go with Nick because why not? He's been on like four times? Why not give him a fifth go around? I think whether you hate him or are you like him? When this? And I know maybe I'm biased because I was on his season, but I thought the women that were on the season were very entertaining and part of that is attributed to the lead and how he handles them. So you know, you might not like Nick or you might love him, but it was still an entertaining season to me, And so why not, like, let's just go on fifth time, sixth time, seven? Just keep it moving. Also, I don't know, I mean, what would you know my Bachelor's and I least single or not exactly. I was just gonna say, I obviously know the Bachelor. It's much better because we talk and we're in a group chat and we kind of know where people are at in life. The Bachelors it's harder, you know, I know more of the recent ones because I've had the opportunity to meet them. I don't know a lot of the more seasoned ones. I guess. I mean I started watching during Brad Womack season, and so I can't really name any before that. The only one, and this is I don't want this to sound bad because he is in such a beautiful relationship and I love his fiancee, but I you know, I love Ben like he's like a brother. We did the tour together, and so if anyone, if he was single, which he's not, he's planning a wedding, but if he was, he would be one to me that I would I would root for and want to go on again to find love and to find the best partnership for him. But that being said, I love Jessica so much, you know, I'd better be added to the wedding. Ben, if you're listening, love, he'd better. I'll be a flower girl if you need one. What I'll cut the I'll pass out cake for you guys, whatever you need. Um. But yeah, there, And I've gotten to know just a lot more from the tour two and they just they compliment each other so well. They keep it to their ground did They're just fun, loving, the most probably the most supportive, one of the most supportive couples I've ever had the opportunity to witness. And so, yeah, I don't even know why said Ben because he's obviously taken. Yeah, but I get why you said it because that's the season that I watched when I was packing and started crying to the girls who signed me up and said I could never be on this show, like legitimately, and I was like, I've already said the contract. This show isn't for me. I don't fit in here that and now look at look at me, now, look at me now. Apparently something that I didn't. But I can see why you would pick Ben because Ben what I loved so much about his season and I didn't finish it, but I loved how he navigated each relationship with the women every single time. I mean, I remember thinking, Wow, you know, I hope my Bachelor is that in tune with each relationship. He made it feel like it was just him and that girl, even though there were twenty months other ones in the house. I love that his sincerity came through the screen. For me, I thought you were been Syle, but you know that's neither here nor there. Well, apparently hold one dating Lucy Hale so I don't you know, I just like you said, you know maybe, and I think it would be too soon. I think like people need to come out of the show, have some downtime, kind of navigate where they want to be living, what they want to be doing after this because life changes so much. And so yeah, I think I mean Colon season was just what two years ago, and so to take some time to take a little breather. All right, Well, Rachel, we've obviously been rambling. I feel like we could just talk forever, but it is time to have our guest on. We love her so much. She is so freaking adorable and like we both said, I think we both called her firecracker in the best way. So please welcome former Batchelrette Dianna Stagliano. Everybody. Oh, I'll take Firecracker. Oh we have. That's why I laughed when Becca is like, we've been rambling, and I'm like if we could go on and on, and I'm like, well, then bring on the person that we could go on and on. And yeah, I told Becca before you came on. I love just side text you. I just in a group chat. I'm just like, Dianna, think, what's Rachel, I like died that day that you text me separately. I went straight down with Stephen and I was like, my new favorite person is Rachel because I think she gets me at my core, Like she just gets me. She just gets me. Oh, Michael, now I'm thinking it's about me. You guys know about you. It's no. Yeah, she's got my sense of humor. I was like, yeah. I was like, I'm reading her right now and I want her to know I get her. The best, though, is in that group chat because there's so many of us, and I feel like half the time I'll just leave my phone and come back to like one hundred and seven missed messages, and then of course you have to like scroll up to the top and go through it a Dana. I don't know what it is, but you always like leave these good, like little one liners in there, and if I'm not like really paying attention, I'm like I have to like go back and be like, oh my gosh, you just said this, Like you said, I don't remember what the meme was like the other day about Boas or something. Whatever it was was, Yeah, it's at yeah one about the mask you have to wear a mask. It was something about people complaining about not we'll have to find that again, but not wearing a mask. They're like, oh, it's the worst. I can't breathe, it's the worst. I'm like, well, I wear a bra every day, and if I didn't, you'd be upset, not me, because I've had two children and nurse two children per year, so nobody wants to see that. But I still wear thinking of that, how are you? I am currently living the dream. I can't tell you where I am, but when I'm looking up, I'm staring at a crystal blue ocean and fresh sun and sailboats. I'm doing really well. That sounds terrible if you're listening to this podcast. Everybody close their eyes and Let'siana explain that again, and I'll just look out and I'm like, I can see the bottom of the ocean floor. It's all. And I imagine myself like laying out with a crisp blast of chardonnay and the pool boy coming and saying, missus stag Leana, what kind of get for you? And I'm like, just anything there and look pretty. I think people think you I live in Miami and that's the life I'm always living. And I'm like, I've think my polls three times. I could see the water every day from my balcony and I'm probably inside most of the time, you know. So it's it's different from wherever you are to being in Miami. Look in the States, there's so there's a difference there. Also, people think we live in southern California and we're at the beach every day and my children are well behaved, but most of the time in off the wall. Adjust your expectations, people, please, Yes, parenthoods I do not have a nanny, and I'm the personal chef, I'm the home school teacher, I'm the cleaning lady. I'm also the wife, a jack of all trades. She's doing it all. You're a superwoman. Um no, Danna, We've had some phone conversations about obviously both of our experiences while we're on the show. They were vastly different for a number of reasons, and you know, we kind of recapped what went down obviously when you were on Brad season didn't end up choosing anyone, and then told Rachel, I'm like, I want her on to get her take on it, because to this day and from what I've heard, from you is like you did not see that coming. You would know, like to this day, you're so like, what the hell happened? Right? Yeah? I cannot say this enough, Like it's the number one Well I don't know. It's either the number one question or people say why did you choose that guy in your season? And I'm like both questions, I have no answer. I was outside my own body. Yeah. So the situation with Brad, the hard part is is like, well, you two know this. Viewers see a certain thing, but they don't know what happens off camera, and they don't know the things that Brad has said to me. So I try to lay it out there so that everybody knows and understands how I mean, truly confused I was. But with that being said, I had like, come on, like I'm looking at the situation. I'm like, I'm super thankful for his decision. Had he chosen me, I may have never gone on to be the bachelorette and then ultimately have probably not met Stephen and have these two beautiful kids that I just like, you know, so I am a firm believer in like his plan, you know what I'm saying, Like I'm a Christian and I believe that His better is better than my better because I chosen what I really wanted for me. Good miss as a true mess, but like I am a Christian woman and I believe that like God had his plan for me, and ultimately I had to go through all of that. Not dismissing the pure mind blown confusion that I went through, but like I had to go through all of that to be ready for for where I am now. I have a beautiful marriage, and I have a wonderful husband, and I have two really awesome, happy, healthy kids. And it's to look back and be like, oh man, I was so sad. Yeah, I was so like I'm really happy now. Yeah, yeah, I was a story. Yeah, sure, I'll let sorry beca. I just want to say this one quote that I love when people say it because I feel like it applies to me too. And it's something that you were saying, Diana when they say we make plans and God laughs. Yeah, it's a story, story of my life, you know, like all this toughs of beat's gonna go this way and this way and this way, and can you imagine if it had gone that way? Because how unhappy and what I miss we all would be oh yeah, oh my god, and Rachel like I am a planner, like down to down to the day. Like Stephen texts me this morning, I was like, who's with the kids to borrow? And I was like, you are so lucky that I have things organized, know everything you know. And and also I would say, like thirteen years ago when I was on the Bachelor, like that was probably the most vulnerable in my life that I had ever been, you know, aside from where I am now in my marriage, because I think that's a beautiful thing about marriage is you hopefully learn to become one. And the beautiful thing about that is, like Stephen can see me vulnerable and cry, which I would never in a million years allow anyone to do that. I will never forget being sent home in a limo from Brad's season and they kept trying to get me to cry. I mean, you guys know how foss are. And I had this one like dragon tier like my life twenty five year old face because I devastated. The one man that I trusted most during this situation betrayed me and he didn't have to. He could have thrown me a bone and the things that he said to me off camera led me to believe now I'm gonna lay it out. I'll never forget this, right, I no longer want Brad wall Mack Praise the Lord. But they allowed me to stay the night with Brad the night before the final ceremony. What camera four shut? Of course me for sure? Oh yeah, did I say why? We filmed the whole day and then once everything shut down, producers came over and they said, hey, Brad would like to see you if you would like to stay the night, would be happy to take you over there, but this is up to you. And I was like absolutely, like yeah, I was saying, I love Oh my gosh, I want to. So I stayed the night with Brad, and it honestly was really cool because we just kind of hung out. We let we like watched the news and he was like laying on the couch and at his head in my lap and I was just kind of like rubbing his hair as a normal couple would do. And then we shut off the TV and he was like, you know, what do you think about all this? And I was like, honestly, I was a little skeptical coming into it, but like I genuinely, like have real feelings for you, and if anything, I am a brutally honest human being and I still am to this day. And so I said, I have been one hundred percent honest with you about everything that I feel currently and this entire situation. And he was like, that's so great. He was like, what do you think is going to happen when this is all done? And I was like, well, ultimately, I hope that we can have a relationship, but we can build some faith and some trust on that and he was like me too, me too. And then the next day when my handler came to pick me up, he walked me out holding my hand, right, I mean, after we smith the night together, and I don't I don't need to tell you what happened, but he kissed me and he said I'll see you tomorrow and I said, oh my god, don't remind me. And he said, don't worry, it's going to be a good day. Oh okay, okay, no, God, I am not messing that up. That is exactly what happened. And if I don't think Brad would even deny that. As a matter of fact, on Sunday, that was the first time that I ever heard him address that when he said, I absolutely wish I hadn't done that. I led her in the wrong direction. I don't know if he was just caught up in the moment, I don't really know, or like, if he knew he wasn't going to choose anyone, why even have me come over and stay tonight? Like right, I don't think he's the type of man that needs a woman's comfort, you know what I'm saying, But that you never believe you. I mean, I said quite a bit of off camera time with Brad see at that back. If I was you, I'd be like, what does my ring look like? Here's the dress that I'm going to be wearing. Can't wait? Like, oh oh my god, guy, it was such a mind pudge. And you know what I'm saying, it was a mind fuck. You know, yes, it was a fuck. I have never been so confused in my life. So I obviously go home thinking like, oh my god. He practically just told me it's me. You know, it's it's me. And I walked into that final ros ceremony thinking like I never truly believed that it was Jenny, Although I love Jenny. We hung out off camera, and I think she is delightful and she is at her core a really good person, and she's super duper happy and she's a cheerleader, which is complete opposite of me. So I early enjoyed my time around her. She was just like tobally and happy all the time. But we are two totally different people, and I couldn't help but think, like, if it's her, I felt solid with that because we are so different. But if it's me, you know, like I really was true to who I was the entire time, and so once all of that happened, going into the final ros ceremony, I ninety nine and a half percent felt solid walking into that. Well, I mean, why would not. It sounds like Brad can hang out with some other people from the show that couldn't always make up their minds too, But I can't, like especially, you know, I just I can relate to that because I think when I was on R season, Lauren and I were so different, and so yeah, you kind of are like, you know, it's going to be telling of who he wants, what direction he's going to go, if it's true, and you know, and so yeah, I get that that is really shitty though, did he I want to know, so, like, after he ended things, did you know that he ended things with both of you? Or was it not until the finale that you saw him? No, both of you. Yeah, I knew that he sent Jenny home. I can't remember if it played that way, but when we did them what was supposed to be the proposal, he told me. He said straight up that he sent Jenny home. And I think at that point, if I remember you can see my eyes light up. I'm like, oh my god, here it comes. Actually at the time, I think we used a different a different jeweler. But yeah, he told me he sent Jenny home, So I obviously am like, oh this is this, yeah, right, tell ending you know? So I knew he sent Jenny home. The difference is is that Jenny did not know that he sent me home. So when the show rapped, Jenny went home feeling at peace with knowing that he chose me, yeah, because he said I need something more Like she thought that full time that he sent her home and chose me like she at the after the final rows and we were filming that, they showed each of us the final episode and then they let Jenny come into my green room and she was sobbing, and she was like, this whole time, I thought that he chose you. I thought that you two were living your happily ever after. And she said, I can't believe that he broke your heart and did this to you. More so that I lived with that for four plus months. When I came home, I didn't tell anyone because I was so baffled and so confused, with no answers whatsoever. I only told my sister and I only told my aunt. Those are the only two people knew that knew because I truly wanted everyone to be as confused as I was, and I love surprises still to this day. I love surprises, and as confused as I was, I wanted everyone to feel those emotions because that's the place I sat in for four and a half months. And I mean minus like like death and grief like that was truly the hardest thing that I ever went through. Wow, Okay, like so many things to say one they'll make them like you anymore, because I don't know if I would have told people, but my gosh, I mean, this is this is what I love about these conversations. And I'm so and Becca and I were talking about this or so thankful we're revisiting these other seasons because this was a world for social media is what it is. There's no way that would have been a secret. There's no way we wouldn't have known something, and we may have been surprised at the end, we may not have been surprised. So that's one thing I think of it too. I'm listening to it and I'm just I feel what like what you felt then, just hearing you describe it, and I'm just thinking of, Wow, look how far you've come when you talk about your life now and how happily married you are, and your wonderful husband and your wonderful, healthy, beautiful kids. Your kids are so cute, by the way, I'll say it so you don't have to They are super cute. I mean they're they're pretty freaking cute. I love that they're a doormar. They're like catalog kids, and yeah, you should put them and you should put them into something. But just to see what you have now, but to know the heartbreak you have. It's like we were saying, how you guys, especially at the beginning. I mean, yes, all the women are, but just I don't know, I'm biased. Especially the women at the beginning are such great examples of strong power for women. It's like listening to your story. All our listeners are baster happy. Our listeners listen to this like you may be coming out of this type of relationship. You might be in it right now where you're so confused. It shouldn't be this confusing. So you know, like, I feel like they should take your stories, Diana and know that you can come out of it and things can be so much better. It just might not be on the timing that you want. Well, I can like, all right right now, true, that's what listening to it. I'm period right now. So there's what I always say this because I think you guys know this well. Well, here's one of the perks about being on the show so long ago. I am actually like tearing up a little bit. Thank you so much. This is more Okay, here it comes. Oh my god, I'm sorry. It's don't cry because I'm gonna start I'm gonna start crying. I am not crying. I'm a messing. It happens. Oh, here's the beautiful thing. There are two things right there is a piece of me who is very thankful about being on the show. So long ago, before you girls women, there was a non issue like I didn't have in touch or photographers like hiding in my bushes in noon and Georgia thirteen years ago, you know, so I didn't I didn't have to go through the same like trials and tri relationship people like tearing every piece of my relationships apart because they're just It just wasn't that way back when I was on the show. So I could go on the show, and I could come home and grieve and mourn with the people that I love most, and no one was tearing me apart along the way. So I have so much sympathy for you guys, or for current bachelors and bachelorettes who go on the show and have to be very conscious of every step that they're taking along the way because someone is always looking at them and following them and willing to take a video and submit it somewhere. I didn't have to experience any of that. The other piece of me that finds so much comfort is in all of this. And I imagine you get so many more dms than I do. But like people will message me all the time and be like, oh, you know, I so want to find that person to share my life with, and I so admire, you know, a good marriage and all of these things. Do you have any advice? And here's the thing. Had I met Stephen thirteen years ago, I was a mess, and I was in my mid twenties. I was self entitled, like after being on the Bachelor, and I was like, Oh, everybody needs to be worthy of meys on national television, you know, And that is so beyond me at my core to be like that, and I just was. I was very selfish in that time in my life, and I would have never been prepared mentally, physically, anything for for a really incredible marriage, you know. So one thing I pride myself in is that I never settled. I very well could have. I mean, you guys know this at least twenty five times, but I never ever settled. I knew I wanted something really, really great, and I also just wasn't ready for it. I was in a selfish time in my life, and once I became the Bachelorette and went through the show, I just really thought that everyone should bound out to me. And how stupid is that, you know? So it was a very humbling process after going through the Bachelor, a very humbling and confusing process, and then being the bachelorette getting the time to be selfish and travel the world and be on television shows and host and live the dream and make money like hosting stupid parties at clubs, like he does that so stupid, But I did, you know? And then I met Stephen, and had he met me at twenty six, her marriage would never last. And I'm not saying our marriage is perfect. We had definitely weathered some serious storms and I am so thankful to be where we are now to think like we have come out the other side. But that's the beautiful thing about marriage is like all to we are committed to each other and committed to our family and making things work, and that's down deep below the dirt of it all, as well as on the top side when things are really really wonderful. And I think that's a beautiful thing that I never ever found that before Stephen, like to where I felt like at a partner that would fight for us. Yeah, And so you know, looking back at it all, it's been really fun to watch it. But I'm also like, thank god, like blessed Stephen, I'm a lucky one. Really, I am. Well. I love listening do you say all that, because I mean, it's so well spoken, but it's your story and I think though even though that is your story and kind of how your life has you know, paved this way for you and your children now like no one, you know, we all have an idea of where we want to be in life, and we never know where it's going to go. And the fact that you this is why I love doing these recaps and watching seasons that I never started, you know, I never had watched and tell you know, I was a freshman in college. It's we you know, all going to talk to you and other women who have gone through similar things, who women watching the show now we're even just listening to this podcast can relate to. And that's something that's really special. And you know, I have to say, like I don't think head you know, COVID ben spread and had quarantine been putting place in the shutdown, like we wouldn't be doing these recaps. We wouldn't have the opportunity to be having this conversation. And that's a really special thing. And I want to go back to something you said earlier, as you said his plan is bigger and better than my plan, and that I just want people to really take that in and realize, like you know, you can be a planner and have what you want in life to happen, and it's always gonna get what's shaken up a little bit at certain times. And so I love, I love that we can have you on and get your taken and hear you now because it seems like you've just grown tremendously since you were on thank god season yeah yeah, one. Though I do the show, ye oh god, it's like where would where would we all be have we settled with that guy from you know in Noon and Georgia probably, And I love to get this take from you know, like from I hate season seasons. That's what we like to say now because like I'm the same age as you guys say, I'm like, yeah, older, that's me, and I came in around like twelve seasons later or whatever. Um. Anyways, when you watch The Bachelorette, now, what do you think of it versus between when you were on it versus now? All right, if I'm getting my honest opinion, which either of you would expect anything less out of me. Um, I have a hard time watching the show now. I really have enjoyed the Bachelor Goat like seeing the old seasons read air, because I think there is something really beautiful about the fact that we were all on and by we, I mean me, Trista Jin, you know, Meredith and some of the other guys. We were on before social media was a thing, and I think that social media has changed the show and the way that it works. And by that I mean it is so hard to tell who is coming on to sell gummy bear hairs and teeth Whitner versus who really is there for the right reasons, you know, like these night winners can go home and sell so much teeth Whitner, they don't have to have a real job. Yeah. I have so enjoyed watching the show played back and see some of the older cast on because it just felt so genuine to me. And I don't know if I'm just that naive, because I am quite gullible, but like I truly went on for the right reasons. People find it so silly when I say I didn't take a paycheck. I don't know if I'm just stupid or as the bachelorette. Yeah, yeah, what not get a paycheck? They definitely helped me out because obviously six months of my time I had to pay my mortgage, right, I owned man at home in Georgia, and just some other small bills, but it was ministry really yeah, like thousand bucks a month. Yeah, but that's that's what I'm saying. I joke around about like being stupid, but also like I genuinely went on the show for the right reasons and I still to this day, thirteen years later, so really solid in that I didn't go on for a paycheck or to become famous or any of those things. And luckily I've had some really great opportunities landed my lap along the way, which are awesome and fun. But I also have a real life and I have a real job, and like I feel really good in that. Yeah. So the show is just so different nowadays. And I remember having a conversation with a contestant who had been on several episodes of Bachelor, the Bachelorette, probably Bachelor Pad and Bachelor in Paradise, and and I was the Bachelorette, Like at one point in time, I was most desired woman in America build that right, yes, But I remember having a conversation with this young woman and again I was probably eight years older than her, and she was like, well, what am I supposed to do now? It's not like I can get a real job. And I'm standing there like, I have a real job. Why can't you have a real job. Well, I'm just so famous. And I was like I wanted to just shaker by the shoulders and be like, honey, it's cool, take the opportunities. You absolutely should, but like, you need a job, you need a path, and you need a career because one day, in the blip of all of this, no one's going to know who the fuck you were. But even then, this is what I tell people, and I am glad that I come from this world. I didn't watch the show before saying I wouldn't have known anybody walking down the street. I didn't even know who Jojo was, and she lived in the same city as me, you know, So it wasn't until I got in this world. And I think what people need to realize coming in on the show is most of the world has no idea who you are. Majority they don't. That's your nation. Makes you feel like everybody knows you, they don't, So it is hard to break through that bachelor bubble or reality TV and to become something else. I'm not saying you can't, it's just the odds are against you, just like the odds are against you to find your perfect person on this show. It's just you gotta be realistic about things. Nobody knows who you are. That's the mentality you need to have coming in and coming out. And also there's something really good about like humbling yourself and knowing who you are, Like, yeah, you have this great opportunity, but like eventually you got to go back to real life, Like yeah, I mean, what else? What else will you do? You have to be known for something else when you're sixty and you're a boot or hanging to your knee and you're trying to drink your glass of wine and more on the patio, Like, no one's gonna give a graph that you were the bachelorette. This is what people need to hear. I love this um. Also, you know what, Okay, we always talk about the bachelortte Bible that we share with all the women. You know, we talked about it with Claire like this is why we need to send it to everyone, starting with Trista, to to get your take because it's so important. It's so different than you know what. I'm sure Rachel and I went through UM. Dianna. I love this conversation. I know that you mentioned you love surprises, so we actually do have a surprise for you today that we chos to get into UM because we have a surprise guest joining us today because she loves you and we love you so much. Bad Oh, you made my day, Molly. How have you been a good? Good? Look at this like power group of ladies. I'm talking love it wonderful, Colly. I was just telling the girls the moment that I fell in love with you, and I'm I don't remember whose wedding it was at, well you and I got a little pie faced. That was everybody's wedding that I've been to, so I was I was precking at weddings so that would not I was telling the girls how you confessed to me that what a wino you are, and I was like, oh my god, me too, and you were like one time I was laying in the bed with a glass of wine and a bag of embarrassing and Jason came in to find me with Cheetos, and I was like, do you know my times I find Diana like that. I was like, I love Molly so much, Like I was so in bed with my hand in the Cheeto's bag. I love this. My pretty good, I said, I'm pretty sure I sent Molly photos of me several times later. Passed so right, It's so great because you know when people see us, they see us on TV in gowns, fully made up, sitting you know, in a professional setting. You know, everything has to be on point. And then like somebody's like, you know what, I too fall asleep, passed out with my hand in the chip back and one hand on the glass of wine. I've literally fallen asleep. Yeah. Have you have you lived life? If you hadn't passed out with like a slice of pizza in your mouth, I don't think so right. Yeah, let me tell you. If you're taking your wine and been like, oh, I'm really tired right now and put it in the fridge for tomorrow, like your glass, I'm on another level. Oh I finished every glass. I never had the wine, you know, don't hoist it. Last night I fell asleep so I'm in, like Molly, I'm in. I don't know if down on the seat it, but I'm in La. I'm back and forth. And so I'm setting up my new apartment and I was like, gotta gotta get a bottle of wine while I'm at the store, you know. So I got these plastic little cups and I was like, I'm gonna have I'm gonna have wine. And I fell asleep so tired, and I woke up and I was like, what is that smell? You know, how like wine smells different than that stuff, Like, oh my god. Anyways, okay, selling stories, Holly, how are you doing well? Beck already asks you how are you doing? But like quarantine everything, like let's do a little check in with the how are the kids? It's good. I mean it's been interesting, Like I'm going through what every other working parent in America is going through with school being all remote and online. So like I've taken on a new job of homeschool teacher, which is something I never thought I would do. Um And I was used to prior to all the world shutting down, I was used to being home by myself all day long and then overnight everyone's in my house. Yeah, all day long. Like I I don't know. I like, you're not meant to spend that much time with your fous So why this is why you have such a fabulous closet that you could describe your gospel and get away right lock the door. Yeah. So it's like my kids, like Riley and Tie are really good kids. They handled the school stuff really well. Um, but we're in it again for the fall. They announced that schools canceled for the fall. So not same here. I told the girls that I was updating my resume. I'm the school teacher, I am the cleaning lady, I'm the chief, I am the wife, I am all of the things, the blond caretaker, the nanny. Go get it. Oh my gosh. So for Bashel, happy our listeners out there. Um, if you didn't know, we had actually two superwomen on the podcast today, it ain't. I listened to you, and I'm like, Rachel, don't complain about what you're doing when it's just it's just like me, Brian and the dog. You know. But everyone has their own challenges, you know, like everyone's going through something. Guys deserve a hand clasps and a glass of wine. Sure, I've heard of the war and ten. I'm just thankful I can even get pans. Oh god, twenty yeah, exactly whatever. I don't care. I don't care. I feel like we should take you know, everybody's lives are so crazy right now, and what's been great about, you know, Monday nights being back to normal. I guess if you're in the Bachelor world and you've got the greatest seasons ever playing, so it gives you a little bit of escape. I love to say that I'm a big sports person, So if you're not a sports person, that's what the Bachelor is for you. You know, like it's like Monday night Football, Monday Night Bachelor. But we do know that Claire season is filming now, So are you guys excited for Claire? What are your spots? I've met Claire a couple of times. I adore her. I think it's going to be such a refreshing facelift for the franchise, just having like an older woman who knows what she's looking for, she knows what she wants. She's not going to let anyone, you know, bullshit her around, which I think is going to be so fun to see. It's almost like I feel like The Bachelor is coming back to its core. Really, you know, you guys were asking me earlier if I still watched the show. And I have had such a struggle with watching some of the young adults who come on the show because as a grown woman who is married for almost ten years and all of the step I have a hard time relating to the young girls because almso like they have no clue, Like they have a whole other world ahead of them they have no clue about. But with Claire, the nice thing is is that Claire has been around for a while and she is a grown ass woman. There's something really beautiful in that. And also what I so appreciate about appreciate about Claire is that she's not someone to be reckoned with, Like she is not a pushover. She knows exactly what she wants and she is willing to stand up for what she believes in. And I so appreciate that in someone because at twenty six when I was on the show, I couldn't do that. Yeah, there was twenty four when I was on the show. I was a I was the youngest girl on our season, like I was a baby, and I like Jason laughed about it all the time because when we were filming, I would always tell him like, I'm super mature for my age, but like, okay, in your defense, in your defense, I feel like there is a difference because of and we were talking about this before the social media aspect. Yeah, so a twenty four year old then is a little different from a twenty four year old now. I have to say that. But I just thought about this while we were talking. So Claire has had an unfair maybe fair advantage. This is a silver lining and the fact that she had to wait months for her season to start. Her cast was released in March. You know, she was telling me these men all over Instagram. None of us got to do that, right, Like, and I remember even me coming on next season, I didn't even know who he was. I was like, oh, who is he? I had to google him? So, like we we don't get to see and get that advantage of who maybe whose season we're going on before, or who's coming on to arts. Do you think that help or helps or hurts Claire. I think she'll go in with an idea and it may not be what she's expecting. I think I think it could post some challenges for sure, you know, like you seek them on and think about what you see on social media. It isn't reality anyway, So I don't know. I think it helps Claire and it hurts production. That's what I think. Oh good, hot take take, Because from speaking with Claire, she had at the time to go home and dive deep into that Instagram, you know, struggle. She got to look at all of the guys, and also during quarantine she got to see, once they were already cast the show, who was still taking it very seriously and who was out partying every single night posting photos of themselves with their girls or whoever else was around. So I think walking into the situation, I think for Claire, she already had maybe a pre judgment of what was to come, and then unfortunately for production, like the idea of surprise is gone. Well, I think she's gonna have these conversations with these guys though, Like the beauty of the show is you've never met the person, so you can sit and ask them all the whole things you would ask if someone you just met. But like, if she's gonna be like so I saw the tribute check in twenty seventeen to gree Oh, you know she's going to call it out. You know she's gonna be asking those questions. I alway think I feel like she's going to make a lot of cuts early on. Like if I was hurt and I knew enough, I would I would be like, Okay, these are like I only want half the guys to continue moving forward with me, and that's where I want to invest my time. It'll be imagine she's sitting on all of those roads ceremonies, like, hey, I was taking a look down your Instagram and remember on July seventeenth when you had your shirt off and that girl was licking your belly up singh was Amy? Who is Amy? That would be? I think that's what's so great about this too, and we I don't know if we talked about this off camera or on Becca. But also the fact that these guys know they're not going to be the bachelor coming in. They think about that and they won't be traveling. So it's like the reason why I think people go on the show, like hopefully it's to find lover or a partnership, but I think people go on they're like, oh, you know, we still going to travel and build friendships and the fact that like they can't do half of what we had the opportunity to do. Um. I mean, Deanna, I think you said it. Who one of your girls said it, like it's kind of going back to the core and like back to the basics. Now you're taking away all of that extra like who ha, like glitz and glam and it's really like date just down to the dates and getting to know the other person and actually like travel a lot on your season. I don't I cannot tell you how many times Trista and I text each other and we are so jealous of all of you guys because we don't really either our dream vacations. And I went to like the Bahamas and I was so covered. I'm not saying the Bahamas is not beautiful, but like in comparison to like Tokyo and Greece, and as like what the heck? Like I was so covered in bug bites in the Bahamas that they would no longer let me wear shorts or skirts. They made me wear pants. I was I was like unpresentable. I look like I had scabies or something. I'll go ahead, Becca, No, I was gonna say so you know, well, before you join us, we talked a little bit about Diana's children. Obviously you have some beautiful children, and you both have daughters. So would you want to come of age? Let let the daughters go on the show. I mean, if this show is still around when Riley is of age, like, there's a bigger problem. We don't apo. Oh my gosh, you know what I'm I cannot even go there because right now I'm dealing with the fact that Addison knew that my season, well, she knew, like I was going to be on TV again, you know, and she wanted to watch and she saw a couple of photos that were in my phone of what someone sent to me, and it was like one picture of me kissing Brad. She was like, oh my god, Molly, I didn't know. I'm forgetting this. Jason season is on Netflix. Yeah, and the kids were watching something on the TV and I just popped it up to see what showed. Because I'll never live down the fact that everyone thinks I went back on that final listing Jason back and I'm like, that's not what happened. Like I realized that's the way it played, but I just went back to give Jason advice. Like Jason and I had been talking the whole way through filming, so I knew it was like Allie, I knew all about Melissa, like I knew everything. And so I was watching that and Addison was like, who's that man? That's not my daddy. So, yeah, it's so hard to explain six and a half year old. We've got Tie who was fifteen, and so he's the closest of all Bachelor kids that could potentially be on the show. Yeah, and when it popped up on Netflix, like we had never let him watch it before because this is weird. So he found it on Netflix and he's like, I'm gonna start watching this, and I like that week was the most mortified week of my life. Yeah. Every time I like popped in the room to like check on him and I like saw myself, I would run right out. But like he has said before, like I could totally go on this show, and he's I mean, he's the show could potentially still be on when he's of age. Oh yeah, the first kid from a Bachelor kid you shouldn't have set you It's like a draft recruiting him for several years down the road. Yeah right, Hopefully he doesn't listen to this podcast. Molly, I want to ask you this, what was your greatest thing to come from being on the show, and then what was also the worst. I'm sure it's you know, we can all maybe guess, but I want to hear it from you. I Mean, the obvious is like finding Jason and marrying him, having our family, but that's just too obvious that goes without saying. I think it changed my perspective on life. Like before I went on the show, I was a workhorse, like I did corporate retail. I was like, this is what I'm gonna do for the rest of my life. I'm gonna work at a desk nine to five. I was just like laser focused on it. And the show opens your eyes to so much more in life, with like the opportunities that come your way. I ended up getting a job in radio from being on the show and have done that the past six years, and that never would have happened had I not gone on the show. So I think I just it gave me like a new lease on life, almost like there's more to sitting behind a desk. And I also have this big platform where I can do good and promote good things and just I don't know, it just gives you a different life and I'm super grateful for it. I Mean, the hardest thing was all the backlash that we got from our finale, but that was also short lived, like time does you know all woves and like I haven't with our season being back on that bloos, I haven't had one single negative comments on social media about it. So it's like I don't have anything bad to say, Like we went through a bad time, but I think that brought Jason to me closer together and so I'm grateful for it all. It's so true if you can withstand it together, because everybody has a hard time, especially these days with social media. Coming out of your finale, you think you're so happy to finally announce to the world that you found this person that you're so in love with and it worked, and then social media is like we think in a different way, and it's so hard, and then you have to do media rounds and I'm not sure Molly if you did that, because do the media rounds after and everyone's criticizing you and the questions and they're asking you questions about what didn't happen rather than what did happen. And it's tough, but in that moment, you realize, if we can face this and overcome it together, you can overcome anything. Because the world is criticizing you, and so it's really really powerful to come out on the other side of it. One thing I want to say before we let you guys go, is like we've talked about it over and over and it's such a theme for our podcast, but we love to have strong women, independent, influential women on the show, which is exactly who you guys are, which is why you're here. Surely that Becca and I look up to and we hope that contestants to come on the show the next Bachelorette, just women in general who are fans of the show that may never come on it and you shouldn't but may never come on the show can look up to you. What is vice do you have for clear coming up and just for women in general who are trying to find their prince charming or maybe who might be in a bad situation or just feel a little hopeless when it comes to love. I love you. I think I've said this to Claire Got a time or two. For sure. My advice for Claire was to just, I mean, for sure, take it all in, but ultimately to stay true to who you are. It is so easy throughout this process to get caught up, and I think the four of us can all say the same thing. It is so easy to just blend into the noise around you, and I mean producers, I mean, everyone's opinion on social media, everything that is going to go into this. But if you really, at the end of the day, can come into your own and sit alone and really put yourself back to who you are and where you came from and what it is that you want, I think that that is the most important thing to do throughout this because I mean, it is really hard to be on a date to have the people around you who you think are your friends saying, oh, don't you love him? He says he loves you. Don't can't you picture your life together? This is gonna be so great? Oh my god, Oh my god. It's really hard to get caught up into that. So if you can really, really really stay true to who you are and what it is that you want out of this, and I think that's so important. Yeah, I think, I mean it goes hand in hand, like exactly what I would say. And I tell this to everybody who asks, like what have you learned? What's the biggest piece of advice you would give people? And it's to not care what other people think? Like if I would have listened to what everyone around me was saying after our show, I wouldn't stay with Jason, and we've been married for ten years. You know, like you've got to just do you, and it's no fun to live life the way other people want you to live your life. You know, like you can't be authentic to yourself, then you've got to just not care what other people think and like walk out the noise. It's so true, because don't you feel we do it so often? I don't know if it's just like innately within us. But then and I have this epiphany when I turned thirty that it was like whose life am I living? You know, I'm saying yes to so many people and letting so many other opinions control my life, But what do I want? I'm one who's got to live this life, and I think that that's it's easy to say, but it's so hard to do. So thank you guys, for you, right, you want to please all of those people around you, You want to make everyone happy, but ultimately the only person that matters in this is you is you know, oh well said yeah? And I think that's such good advice, especially in this day and age when there's social media, when we literally have opinions flooding inboxes and it's just there's no truly no getting away from it unless you like totally go off the grid. That that's something that you know. And even for me, I'm I just hearned thirty this year, and that's something that you know. I'm always like, oh, I know what I want left, like, I know what I stand for, and I'm like, especially with I'm like, oh my, what do I, as Becca Coofer and want? And I think that's such great advice forever girl listening, Like you know, just take time and sit in your own thoughts in your heart and like what's going to fill you and make you And for people you specifically like that, girls, girls who have been on the show, girls who are thinking about going on the show. I think the most important thing people need to remember this goes away. Yeah, it goes away. You are not going to be so and so from the Bachelor for forever. You cannot rely on that and live your life for that because it is going to go away, and then what are you left with? Yeah, exactly. I think it's like, I know, come on, please and being known as the girl who chose Jesse Sinsak on a red I'm gonna say to you, Becca, like, bring on your thirties and name sure Mollie can agree with me. I genuinely loved my thirties and even more so, I'll be thirty nine in a couple of months, and I feel more myself and more secure as a woman, as a wife, as a parent, just as an individual, like more so than I ever was. I know who I am and there is so much good in that. Yeah, And that's something that I think Lair even said when we had her on the podcast, and I think we're gonna love watching her so much. And she's like, you know, I'm almost forty, Like I've I know what I want. I've been through a ton of really crappy relationships, hopefully some good ones too, But she's that woman where she's at that place where she's like, I'm not going to settle. I know what I want I'm going to make this happen, and that's that's what it's going to be. Just I feel viewers need on a new upcoming season. So yeah, for sure, ladies, thank you so much for participating today. It's like, I don't know, it's like a therapy session, a good girl power Holly and Diana, you're saying before you came on, there's this women empowering women movement going on social media, women supporting women, and we feel like that's what this podcast has been as well. We just kind of stole that and turned it into this. Plus I think your insight and what you've been through through the season and just an example of what you've been outside of the Bachelor franchise, it's really what our listeners need to see and here. So thank you so much for being yes, and what a pleasure. How lucky are we that we just always get to connect with so many amazing women. It's so good and then it's still kind of bad. I was listening to something I said, I'm like, oh, but you shouldn't want to come on the show. Actually, I like you should come from this exactly. Yes, it's not fake, it's real, you see it. It just transcends your seasons. Whoever you were, you know, you might have lived in the house with It just goes beyond that. And I can't say everybody coming from the show is like that, but a good number of women are, you know, And it's just a beautiful part that you don't always get to see on this show. I mean, even Peter season, the girls who couldn't stand each other, or at least that's what they would show on camera, they all not all of them, but they're pretty cordial to each other off camera. Yeah, it looks like they're close. And even like with Peter's season, you know, for a lot of the time, I was like, I'm a grandma and I can't relate. Like I talked to them on DMS every now and again, and I'm like, you know, what I saw on TV doesn't seem like you. And so it's it's a beautiful thing that hopefully we'll have the opportunity to meet more in person one day and just continue this. It's like a tree and the roots that just keep on growing in a special family in the best way. I love. Oh, I love that I saw the tree when you set it A saw the tree ension. I love that okay, you guys, We hope you enjoyed this episode as much as we did. Make sure you come back next week for more because you know we're going to give you good content every single week. Next week, we're going to take a second stab at choosing a name, So if you guys to have some more suggestions, please please DM because we need one. We clearly need help. We didn't do a good job the first time. We don't want to disappoint anybody, but we want you guys to feel included and we want to be able to have some type of name and community. So thank you guys for tuning in. Don't forget you can keep checking in with us on social We love hearing from you and we love getting all your messages. You know where to find us if you don't, it's it's at Bachelor Happy Hour on Instagram and at bach Happy Hour on Facebook and Twitter. And as always, don't forget to subscribe to our podcast. Take care of guys,