Creepshow (1982) vs Twilight Zone: The Movie (1983): Part 1
In this special two-part series of the Surely You Can't Be Serious podcast, hosts Jason and Dee are joined by horror movie expert Amanda Janik to compare and contrast two iconic anthology films: Creepshow (1982) and Twilight Zone: The Movie (1983). In Episode 1, we dive into the origins of The Twilight Zone TV series, a show that redefined sci-fi and horror on television, and explore the creative forces behind Creepshow. We'll break down the film's eerie segments, highlight the star-studded cast, and discuss the blend of horror and dark humor that made it a cult classic.
2024-10-15
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<v Speaker 1>Welcome foolish mortals to the Surely you Can't Be Serious Podcasts. <v Speaker 1>Here are your hosts, your ghost hoosts, Jason and d Hello, <v Speaker 1>boyls and ghouls, Welcome back to the Surely you Can't <v Speaker 1>Be Serious Podcast. To my left, I have d Graves <v Speaker 1>who is covered in cockroaches. I have Course and covered <v Speaker 1>with weeds, and I'm very itchy. And we're welcoming back, <v Speaker 1>Amandagantic with our head on a platter to discuss creep <v Speaker 1>Show and twilight Zone the movie in this wonderful, scary, <v Speaker 1>spooky season of Halloween. <v Speaker 2>We are here on October two, twenty twenty four, exactly <v Speaker 2>sixty five years two, the day from the day that <v Speaker 2>the Twilight Zone series first aired on television. To Wow, Amanda, <v Speaker 2>how you do? And thank you so much for joining <v Speaker 2>us today. <v Speaker 3>I'm great, I'm excited to be here. <v Speaker 1>Thanks for having me, Amanda. You're like the scary movie queen. Right, <v Speaker 1>You're the one who's gonna carry us through this episode. <v Speaker 3>No, no, that's for guys' job. I'm just here for fun. <v Speaker 1>You do like horror movies a lot, though, right, I do? <v Speaker 4>I do, but very niche horror movies though you know <v Speaker 4>I'm not into the paranormal that kind of stuff. I'm <v Speaker 4>more eighties kind of slasher, cheesy, slasher in the woods <v Speaker 4>type of movies. <v Speaker 3>But these two are right up my alley as well. <v Speaker 1>So are you a King person? <v Speaker 4>I wouldn't say I'm fanatical by any means. I read <v Speaker 4>all the books when I was younger and stuff, and <v Speaker 4>obviously saw all the movies. Christine is still one of <v Speaker 4>my favorites to this day. Write fast on Hampse every year. <v Speaker 4>Love Christine Carrie, absolutely love it. More of the movies <v Speaker 4>than the books. I would say I don't have the <v Speaker 4>attention span for two thousand page books. <v Speaker 1>You know, this time last year, you and I did <v Speaker 1>Christine versus Kujoe versus The Dead Zone. Yeah, all Stephen <v Speaker 1>King movies that came out in nineteen eighty three. <v Speaker 2>Yep, And these movies are close to being forty years old. <v Speaker 1>So Creep Show was released November twelfth, nineteen eighty two, <v Speaker 1>and Twilight Zone was released June twenty fourth, nineteen eighty three. <v Speaker 1>I believe. <v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, so forty one and forty two respectively. Yeah, okay, fantastic. <v Speaker 2>You guys know what happened on Christmas day, exactly one <v Speaker 2>hundred years ago. Rod Serling was born Sunny Veil Arrest, <v Speaker 2>a home for the agent, a dying place, and a <v Speaker 2>common children's game called kick the Ken. <v Speaker 1>I love this. <v Speaker 2>I was reading about his childhood. He was raised by <v Speaker 2>kind of you know, blue collar family. His dad worked <v Speaker 2>as a grocer and then a butcher, but built him <v Speaker 2>a stage downstairs because he could just make his own <v Speaker 2>plays with or without an audience. Said that his family <v Speaker 2>said that they got in the car one time and <v Speaker 2>he just had this tendency to just talk and ask <v Speaker 2>questions without waiting for an answer and just keep going. <v Speaker 2>And so they all decided before they got in the <v Speaker 2>car for this cross country trip that they weren't going <v Speaker 2>to say anything and see a fraud would notice. He <v Speaker 2>did not notice. Wow, And so he was an interesting guy. <v Speaker 2>I mean, he's he's got these you know, plays in <v Speaker 2>his head from being a little kid. And then he <v Speaker 2>goes to war. He serves in World War Two. Was <v Speaker 2>with a guy who was like doing a stand up <v Speaker 2>routine for the troops, like another fellow soldier. They had <v Speaker 2>like a crate of food was dropped for them and <v Speaker 2>it landed on the guy doing the stand up routine <v Speaker 2>and decapitated him. What he said that that, like his <v Speaker 2>war experience, highly influenced how he wrote things. And so <v Speaker 2>once he got back, he went to college, he started <v Speaker 2>doing stuff in radio, ultimately started writing TV pilots because <v Speaker 2>he figured radio was going out and it was the <v Speaker 2>perfect time for somebody to be writing TV plays. Yeah, <v Speaker 2>and so he wrote this play called Patterns Okay to <v Speaker 2>tell a play and they actually performed it live. But <v Speaker 2>he had just moved to New York City. He wasn't <v Speaker 2>expecting it to be anything big. And they found a <v Speaker 2>babysitter that night and she said, what if somebody calls, <v Speaker 2>And they said, don't worry. We literally just moved here. <v Speaker 2>Nobody's gonna call. He'll be fine. Well, that was the <v Speaker 2>first time his play was on TV, and it was <v Speaker 2>so amazingly popular that the phone had one hundred phone <v Speaker 2>calls before they got back that night. Wow, it's the <v Speaker 2>first television play to ever be replayed. They replayed it <v Speaker 2>live and then they made it into a movie. Then <v Speaker 2>he had another success with a movie called Requiem for <v Speaker 2>a Heavyweight. Another success was Seven Days in May, and <v Speaker 2>they realized, hey, this guy's got something going and so <v Speaker 2>they give him the opportunity to do a how do <v Speaker 2>we say this something of his own because he had <v Speaker 2>gotten tired of the TV sensors and the sponsors curbing <v Speaker 2>what work he put out there. They were changing his <v Speaker 2>writing to make it TV suitable, and so he said, <v Speaker 2>I don't want to do that anymore. I want to <v Speaker 2>be in charge of my own show. And that's how <v Speaker 2>we got The twilight Zone. October second, nineteen fifty nine. <v Speaker 1>Wow. Wow, Amanda, what's your experience with the Twilight Zone? <v Speaker 1>Did you watch that as a kid or anything. <v Speaker 4>No, I don't remember seeing it when I was like <v Speaker 4>super young, but I think it probably stemmed from Creep Show, <v Speaker 4>to be honest, because I remember seeing that when I <v Speaker 4>was pretty young, probably too young, right, and then I <v Speaker 4>fell in love with the anthology idea, So I think <v Speaker 4>that's probably how I stumbled upon Twilight Zone. And as <v Speaker 4>a young kid, let's say, maybe I was eight or <v Speaker 4>nine maybe when I saw it, don't judge my parents. <v Speaker 4>Twilight Zone was way over my head at that age, <v Speaker 4>so I don't think I revisited a lot, you know, <v Speaker 4>not nearly as much as I did Creep Show. It <v Speaker 4>wasn't until I got older that I started to understand <v Speaker 4>more of the concepts that were actually in Twilight Zone <v Speaker 4>and could appreciate it more. <v Speaker 2>What about you, Well, I had watched the TV series <v Speaker 2>growing up, Like I remember watching it on like Nicked <v Speaker 2>Night and some of the other stuff that would have <v Speaker 2>the old old shows on, and so I was excited <v Speaker 2>when the movie came out. And I was young too, <v Speaker 2>I mean, and would we say it was eighty three, <v Speaker 2>so i'd have been seven or eight years old, and <v Speaker 2>I can remember, I mean, it is a PG movie, <v Speaker 2>so my my parents let me watch it before PG <v Speaker 2>thirteen was a thing. <v Speaker 1>Hey, PG must be okay for everybody. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so some of those things were particularly disturbing, <v Speaker 2>especially the prologue scene. <v Speaker 1>Oh the prologue scene actually get a big old jump. <v Speaker 4>When I was a kid and I was raised my <v Speaker 4>dad raised me in all kinds of music. I think <v Speaker 4>we might have talked about this in past episodes and stuff. <v Speaker 4>And like, by the time it was seven or eight <v Speaker 4>years old, I was a huge CCR fan. <v Speaker 1>So the prolog right. <v Speaker 2>Now with Creep Show, I had the comic book that <v Speaker 2>they made from the movie, you know, they they had <v Speaker 2>like a comic novel, and I like same place that <v Speaker 2>I would go buy my Fangoria magazine. Right right there <v Speaker 2>was an episode there was a you know, comic book <v Speaker 2>of Creep Show out there, and I was like, Oh, <v Speaker 2>this looks cool. I want to get this, and I <v Speaker 2>got it. I didn't even know about the movie. Like, <v Speaker 2>I was young enough when that movie came out that <v Speaker 2>it kind of went by me and I didn't know <v Speaker 2>about it until years later. And then I was like <v Speaker 2>probably Blockbuster or one of its, you know, some video store, <v Speaker 2>and I'm like, oh, hey, I had that comic book. <v Speaker 2>And by that time I was old enough I was like, Okay, <v Speaker 2>I can watch this movie. <v Speaker 1>How about you? What about twelve for you? Yeah. So <v Speaker 1>when I was growing up in Tulsa, we got a <v Speaker 1>TV station out of Kansas City. On Friday nights, they <v Speaker 1>would show like reruns of Get Smart, The Three Stooges, <v Speaker 1>the Twilight Zone, and then they'd show like a creature <v Speaker 1>feature like Ryder, Frankenstein or whatever. So every Friday night, <v Speaker 1>man there I am. I'm taking in Get Smart, Twilight Zone, <v Speaker 1>Three Stooges, and whatever monster movie. The one Twilight Zone <v Speaker 1>that haunts me to this day, there's a bank robber <v Speaker 1>and he gets shot during a bank robbery and when <v Speaker 1>he wakes up, like he's like rich and like all <v Speaker 1>these beautiful women are throwing themselves at him and like <v Speaker 1>everything is like awesome. He's like, man, how did this happen? <v Speaker 1>I was a bank robber and here I am and <v Speaker 1>everything's going my way. And it turns out like every <v Speaker 1>time he takes one pool shot, like every ball goes <v Speaker 1>in every pocket, and it's like his punishment is that <v Speaker 1>there's no challenge ever in his life ever again, like <v Speaker 1>everything is over the top good and it. As a kid, <v Speaker 1>I was like, WHOA, Like hell is every time you <v Speaker 1>pull the lever at the casino at millions of dollars <v Speaker 1>spills out and it just everything goes your way. <v Speaker 3>That sounds terrible. <v Speaker 2>I remember seeing I can remember seeing people like Robert <v Speaker 2>Redford in one of them where he's I mean he's <v Speaker 2>in his twenties but young. He's just this very handsome <v Speaker 2>young man who as you know, as it turns out, <v Speaker 2>is it's this little old lady who won't like go out. <v Speaker 2>It's very similar to the on creep Show, the E. G. <v Speaker 2>Marshall episode of what is It? The the Creeps? It <v Speaker 2>creeps on you where She's like she's contained herself in <v Speaker 2>this little space and won't go out because she's too <v Speaker 2>scared that death is going to get her when she <v Speaker 2>goes out. And then this young police officer played by <v Speaker 2>Robert Redford gets shot and he's like dying on her doorstep. <v Speaker 1>And she's like, Okay, I'm just gonna bring you in, <v Speaker 1>but I gotta bring you in quick, and I have <v Speaker 1>to take care of you here. <v Speaker 2>And like she mends him back to health and he <v Speaker 2>ultimately is, you know, very thankful, and then he says, <v Speaker 2>I'm here for you. <v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's the Angel of Death. Yeah, I remember that one. <v Speaker 2>I love the way that those Twilight Zones would twist it. <v Speaker 2>By the way, I had no ideas how they started <v Speaker 2>investigating one of the best movie twists of all time, <v Speaker 2>Planet of the Apes. Get to the end of Planet <v Speaker 2>of the Apes, you see the Statue of Liberty. <v Speaker 1>Right, I'm like. <v Speaker 2>Found out today Rod Serling was co writer on the planet. <v Speaker 1>All right, that's. <v Speaker 3>Awesome, interesting, you know it's Jason. It's funny. <v Speaker 4>You just unlocked a key memory for me though, because <v Speaker 4>I was you know, when you asked me that question, <v Speaker 4>I was thinking more about Twilight Zone. The movie, not <v Speaker 4>necessarily the show, but on Friday nights we used to <v Speaker 4>get because I grew up in outside of Chicago, so <v Speaker 4>we'd get all the Chicago stations, and then my grandma <v Speaker 4>lived in Milwaukee, so you know, it was either we <v Speaker 4>were in Chicago or in Milwaukee on Friday night, and <v Speaker 4>it was always Twilight Zone, Alfred Hitchcock and Race Barry. <v Speaker 1>Theater ooh nice. <v Speaker 3>And then no, and. <v Speaker 4>Then for that thrief year or whatever, the Nightmare on <v Speaker 4>Elm Street series. <v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I remember that. <v Speaker 3>It was terrible. I was, but that's more what I <v Speaker 3>was into. <v Speaker 4>Like, it was more like I'd sit through, like, you know, <v Speaker 4>Twilight Zone, Ry Bradberry and be like, okay, because again <v Speaker 4>over my head at that age, you know. <v Speaker 3>So that's funny, though I totally forgot about that. <v Speaker 1>That's fun. That's fun. So do you mentioned it to <v Speaker 1>capitation just a minute ago? Huh? Sadly, that will not <v Speaker 1>be the last decapitation that we talked about in the episode, <v Speaker 1>but it won't even be the second to last. Ouch. Yeah, yeah, <v Speaker 1>we're gonna hold that though. Let's talk about that here <v Speaker 1>in a little while. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, okay, So other fans of the TV show <v Speaker 2>The Twilight Zone. Yeah, where some guys named John Landis, <v Speaker 2>George Miller, Joe Dante, and Steven Spielberg. <v Speaker 1>Sure. <v Speaker 2>And so after the show had been off the air, <v Speaker 2>I think it went off the air in something like <v Speaker 2>sixty five, so it had been off the air for <v Speaker 2>almost twenty years, and they said, let's make a movie. <v Speaker 2>And so those four directors all direct a segment of <v Speaker 2>the four three of them are from are their remakes <v Speaker 2>of actual Twilight Zone, original Twilight Zone episodes, and some <v Speaker 2>of the actors from those original episodes are in the <v Speaker 2>new episodes in the movie. <v Speaker 1>Oh cool, Okay, Yeah. <v Speaker 3>Do you know why they did that. <v Speaker 4>Why they did three out of the four of them <v Speaker 4>remakes of the original show. It was to make it <v Speaker 4>more marketable, to bring in that old audience and then <v Speaker 4>bring in the new audience as well, but put different <v Speaker 4>spins on them, you know. I mean, some of them <v Speaker 4>don't obviously follow the original show what happened and in <v Speaker 4>there or whatever, but they thought, hey, we'll get that <v Speaker 4>nostalgia for those people who grew up with this show <v Speaker 4>and just make it more marketable. And I'm glad they <v Speaker 4>didn't keep him exactly the same because if I wanted <v Speaker 4>to see that, I would just go watch the episode. <v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right. <v Speaker 2>Why am I going to watch John Lithgow when I <v Speaker 2>can watch the. <v Speaker 3>Shat Because he's the Trinity Killer. That's why you watched. <v Speaker 1>Okay. <v Speaker 2>So I thought that as far back as I was <v Speaker 2>going to go was one hundred years ago with the <v Speaker 2>birth of Rod Serling. But it turns out I'm going <v Speaker 2>to go back one hundred and thirty years ago, almost <v Speaker 2>exactly again. It's September twenty first, eighteen ninety four. This <v Speaker 2>guy named Max Gaines is born. When he's in his <v Speaker 2>late thirties, he pioneers a new type of book. He <v Speaker 2>was trying to do some marketing for Procter and Gamble <v Speaker 2>for a newspaper he's working for, and he was like, Hey, <v Speaker 2>what we're going to do is we're going to take <v Speaker 2>all of the little comic. <v Speaker 1>Strips from the from the newspapers. <v Speaker 2>We're going to put them all in like this big book, <v Speaker 2>like this tabloid sized book, and then people will send <v Speaker 2>in your you know, Procter and Gamble proof of purchase <v Speaker 2>and they get free book. And Proctor and Gamble was like, <v Speaker 2>that sounds like a terrible idea, We're not interested, and <v Speaker 2>so he was like, hey, newspaper publisher, can we do <v Speaker 2>this thing anyway? And they did it anyway, and what <v Speaker 2>it was was the precursor to the comic book. This guy, <v Speaker 2>Max Gaines is the guy who basically invents the comic <v Speaker 2>book all right. <v Speaker 1>Wow. <v Speaker 2>He becomes later on after that the co publisher of <v Speaker 2>All American Publications who introduced us to some folks. You <v Speaker 2>might have heard of Green Lantern, Hawkman, and Wonder Woman. Wow, <v Speaker 2>the first superheroes. Obviously, All American Publications became DC. But <v Speaker 2>later on he would die, and I'll go into that <v Speaker 2>in just a second. So he ends up selling his <v Speaker 2>share of All American and starts his own comic book <v Speaker 2>line called Educational Comics EC okay, okay, interesting and so <v Speaker 2>educational comics he's putting out like the Bible in comic <v Speaker 2>book form, and he's he's putting out these other educational <v Speaker 2>type of comics in addition to some of the superhero stuff. <v Speaker 2>But then he dies tragically. His son takes over and <v Speaker 2>his son is like, heck with his educational thing, I'm <v Speaker 2>going to change it to entertainment comics. <v Speaker 1>Now it may sound. <v Speaker 2>Like that the son is a bit of an air <v Speaker 2>dwell and the father was kind of had his dreams <v Speaker 2>annihilated after his death. But as it turns out, Max <v Speaker 2>Gaines was kind of the Bing Crosby of the comic <v Speaker 2>book world, where everybody was like, oh hey, here's this <v Speaker 2>great guy who invented comic books, except he would beat <v Speaker 2>his son with a belt and tell him you will <v Speaker 2>never amount to anything. And so when he and a <v Speaker 2>few friends died in a boating accident, suddenly Billy, little <v Speaker 2>young Billy, who's in his twenties at that point. <v Speaker 1>Call me Billy. Everybody else Billy Gaines. <v Speaker 2>And if you know who William Gaines is, if you're <v Speaker 2>a comic book fan, you're gonna be like, whoa. And <v Speaker 2>if not, I'm about to tell you because it turns <v Speaker 2>out that Max was a bastard. <v Speaker 1>He was a bastard. <v Speaker 2>And Bill was excited to take the comic book empire <v Speaker 2>and take it in a new direction, and so he <v Speaker 2>changed it from educational comics to entertainment comics, and he <v Speaker 2>gave us some titles you might have heard of, Weird Science, <v Speaker 2>What Hails from the Crypt, Whoa, and Mad Comic Books, <v Speaker 2>which ultimately became Mad magazine. <v Speaker 1>That is amazing. <v Speaker 2>Now, these comic books, they gained some attention because of <v Speaker 2>their kind of graphic nature, and he had to go <v Speaker 2>testify in front of Congress about these comic books. And <v Speaker 2>they're asking, They're like, do you feel like anything is appropriate, <v Speaker 2>you know, for you to put in these comic books. <v Speaker 2>And he's like, well, anything within good taste. And they're like, <v Speaker 2>but you decide what good taste is and he's like, yeah, yet, <v Speaker 2>and they say, how about this comic book right here <v Speaker 2>where you have a man with an axe with blood <v Speaker 2>running down the handle, and in his other hand he <v Speaker 2>has what appears to be the head of another human being, <v Speaker 2>and it appears that there's a body lying on the floor. <v Speaker 2>Would you say that that is in good taste? And <v Speaker 2>he's like, oh, yeah, I mean because you can't see <v Speaker 2>the neck. If you saw the neck, that probably would <v Speaker 2>be in bad taste. Or if you saw the body <v Speaker 2>and saw where the head wasn't attached anymore, that might <v Speaker 2>be in bad taste. But since those things are out, <v Speaker 2>we're all good. So these easy comics, including the Tales <v Speaker 2>from the Crypt and the Weird Science and Mad Magazine, <v Speaker 2>these comics, these easy comics were the inspiration for Stephen <v Speaker 2>King and George Romero to make the movie Creep Show totally. <v Speaker 4>It was born from Salem's Lot too, did you read <v Speaker 4>about that? So originally George Romero was shopping his movie <v Speaker 4>Martin around different film festivals and whatnot, and the studio <v Speaker 4>Warner Brothers saw it and thought, hey, you know, this <v Speaker 4>would be a great collaboration with George Romero because you <v Speaker 4>got to think he's hot, hot, hot at that point, <v Speaker 4>you know, or Stephen King is super hot at that <v Speaker 4>time too, and so they thought these two together would <v Speaker 4>be really good. Would you guys be interested in doing <v Speaker 4>Salem's Lot together? But then Distributed decided to just do <v Speaker 4>Salem's Lot as a TV release. So then they started <v Speaker 4>shopping around again for another project, and they were looking <v Speaker 4>at the stand yes, but the budget for that would <v Speaker 4>have been way too big, so again the studio passed <v Speaker 4>on that, and so eventually King and Romero just came <v Speaker 4>together on their own and hey, we both, like he <v Speaker 4>had just explained, love comic books. What if we do <v Speaker 4>a movie like that. We can do it cheaper and <v Speaker 4>it'll appeal to a mass audience. It's an anthology. Let's <v Speaker 4>do this thing. Okay, I got that came from Salem's Lot. <v Speaker 1>It is, it is, And we talked about Salem's Lot <v Speaker 1>last year when we did our horror Movies of the seventies. <v Speaker 1>That's right. Get this. So George Romero is super famous <v Speaker 1>because he created the Knight of the Living Dead movie. <v Speaker 1>Get this. So, he does Martin in nineteen seventy seven, <v Speaker 1>about a man who thinks he's a vampire. But he <v Speaker 1>had been out of film for a couple of years. <v Speaker 1>He did a TV movie on OJ Simpson, Juics Is <v Speaker 1>on the Loose. Did you get that the Jesus Loose, <v Speaker 1>the good old fashioned heroic story of OJ Simpson. Well, <v Speaker 1>it was a thing back in nineteen seventy four. Yeah, <v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy four in a mirror. <v Speaker 2>Twenty years later he would be driving down the highway <v Speaker 2>in a white bronco. <v Speaker 1>He does Donna the Dead in nineteen seventy eight, and <v Speaker 1>he does Night Writers in nineteen eighty one. Do you <v Speaker 1>know why I bring up Night Writers? <v Speaker 3>No? <v Speaker 1>I don't, because it stars mister Ed Harris, who's going <v Speaker 1>to participate in Creep Show as a favor to George <v Speaker 1>Romero because of their relationship. <v Speaker 2>Night Writers. Okay, so that Night Writers. You're talking about <v Speaker 2>that terrible biker movie, right. <v Speaker 1>I'm not talking about Michael and Kit. <v Speaker 2>That's what I thought you were talking about. I was like, <v Speaker 2>you're talking about You were confusing people here. We're not <v Speaker 2>talking about the Hoff Night Riders Night Writers, which if <v Speaker 2>I think I saw some of that and it was <v Speaker 2>like it was a combination of medieval nights, except they <v Speaker 2>were riding on motorcycles, like as you got it. <v Speaker 1>It was a colossal piece of crowd really bad. <v Speaker 3>That sounds terrible, you know. <v Speaker 4>And the guy Tom Savini make up God did all <v Speaker 4>the work on Dawn of the Dad, so that's why <v Speaker 4>they brought him in for Creep Show. Yeah, and you know, <v Speaker 4>fun little cameo in there too does. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's one of the garbage men at the very <v Speaker 2>end who picks up the comic book. <v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's the garbage man that when I watched it <v Speaker 1>for the first time, I'm like, what's this guy's problem. <v Speaker 1>He's way over the top for this movie. By the way, <v Speaker 1>I've got this little nugget for you. Romero and King <v Speaker 1>wanted to do each part of the anthology as like <v Speaker 1>a history of the movies. Right, So like the first <v Speaker 1>segment was gonna be black and white, and then the <v Speaker 1>next one was gonna be like narrow screen, and then <v Speaker 1>the third one was gonna be like in three D, <v Speaker 1>and I thought, wow, that would be really cool, right, <v Speaker 1>very interesting. I would stylistically, I. <v Speaker 2>Was gonna say, I would actually have appreciated some stylistic <v Speaker 2>change in this one. Yeah, it came out as full <v Speaker 2>comic book to me. Like the colors were bright. Obviously <v Speaker 2>they used the comic book transitions they used, they used <v Speaker 2>it heavily, but even the lighting and the color grading <v Speaker 2>was very it was very comic bookie. <v Speaker 1>It was comic bookie. And even like they had reaction <v Speaker 1>shots where the ladies were like, ah, and there's like <v Speaker 1>a comic book thing behind them, And that's. <v Speaker 3>The beauty of it. That's what I think is the <v Speaker 3>beauty of the movie. <v Speaker 1>Those parts were interesting. <v Speaker 2>When you would have the screams and it was and <v Speaker 2>it was really like a cardboard cutout behind them and <v Speaker 2>the flashing light. <v Speaker 4>When we talk about segments, I'll talk about my favorite <v Speaker 4>cartoony part of that movie just stands out to me <v Speaker 4>is the best shot of the movie. <v Speaker 1>But we'll get there, Amanda. Just to kind of go <v Speaker 1>with you on your point. I would love to see <v Speaker 1>a King Romero collaboration Salem's Lot or the Stand. That <v Speaker 1>would be amazing. <v Speaker 4>Well, that new Salem's Lot's coming out on maps, yes, <v Speaker 4>maybe a week or two from now. <v Speaker 1>And it looks it looks good, it looks great. <v Speaker 4>Finally, and that's not normally my kind of thing, but <v Speaker 4>I was latch of the previou I'm like, oh, I <v Speaker 4>might have to watch that. <v Speaker 3>So yeah, and from. <v Speaker 4>What I understand, it has King's blessing, so not a <v Speaker 4>lot of projects too, so it'll be interesting to see interesting. <v Speaker 1>Okay, cool, Okay, Jason. <v Speaker 2>We have got a huge catalog of actors, most of <v Speaker 2>whom it was before they were famous, right, or maybe <v Speaker 2>after they were famous, before they were famous. <v Speaker 1>Again, you know there's a hodgepodge of people that you <v Speaker 1>recognize in Creep Show, right, so one of them in <v Speaker 1>the first one. The first segment is called Father's Day <v Speaker 1>and that stars today. Yes, do you know what tomorrow is? <v Speaker 1>Father's Day? It's October thirty. Yes. The mean anything to you? Now? <v Speaker 1>What kind of friend are you? She? It was like <v Speaker 1>a national holiday. It's these birthday tomorrow. Where's my cake? <v Speaker 1>Where's my cake? <v Speaker 3>You young again. How exciting? Happy early Birthday. <v Speaker 1>Hey, I've been a father for over twenty years now, <v Speaker 1>huh have you ever gotten a cake on Father's Day? <v Speaker 2>You actually asked me about getting a cake for this <v Speaker 2>particular it's birthday. You're like, do you want a cake? <v Speaker 2>And I'm like, no, please, do not give me a cake. <v Speaker 1>I'm a little worried. <v Speaker 2>I'm gonna get a severed head with candles in Happy Birthday. <v Speaker 2>By the way, thanks, thank you. <v Speaker 1>I was like trying to rack my brain, like what <v Speaker 1>national holiday is tomorrow? Oh, it's Dee's birth Okay. So <v Speaker 1>the first segment of Creep Show is this the tale <v Speaker 1>called Father's Day? Okay. Now, in this one you have <v Speaker 1>Ed Harris disco dancing. <v Speaker 2>A freaking from Oklahoma Harris Boomer Sooner, Boomer sooner. Although <v Speaker 2>he did drop the program because they were like, yeah, <v Speaker 2>you're not really that great an actors. <v Speaker 1>I'll see, Yeah, what's story with that? Because you you <v Speaker 1>were in the theater program, tell me about that. Yeah, <v Speaker 1>I mean it was. <v Speaker 2>There was a lot of urban legend around Ed Harris <v Speaker 2>in the theater department at the University of Oklahoma, especially <v Speaker 2>for people who were rejected when it came time for juries, <v Speaker 2>which is how you decided if you're going to get <v Speaker 2>to go up be a performance major or not. <v Speaker 1>The rumor was that he failed. <v Speaker 2>His juries, they weren't going to let him be a <v Speaker 2>performance major, and he said, I'll tell you what, I'll <v Speaker 2>just go to New York City and do it on <v Speaker 2>my own, or maybe Chicago. But I don't know that <v Speaker 2>any of that's actually true. It's all just the rumor <v Speaker 2>mill of the OU drama department. <v Speaker 1>Wow. <v Speaker 2>But I do know that he did not finish college <v Speaker 2>at OU, and he did go on to be obviously <v Speaker 2>a very famous actor. <v Speaker 1>Yes, yes he did. <v Speaker 4>Okay, So in that first time off for a second, Yeah, <v Speaker 4>do you want to talk about the casting and the <v Speaker 4>wrap around for Creep Show? <v Speaker 3>Though? <v Speaker 1>Good point, Amanda. Let's talk about the prologue for Creep Show, <v Speaker 1>because you start off with a very famous guy. Yeah, <v Speaker 1>a very famous kid. Tell me about that. <v Speaker 4>We got the god himself, Tom Atkins, whom I often <v Speaker 4>joke with my husband and I'm on the Tom Atkins diet. <v Speaker 3>So he is pre stash, you guys. <v Speaker 4>I still every time I watch the movie cannot get <v Speaker 4>over him without a mustache. <v Speaker 3>Totally cracks me. <v Speaker 4>Up what a mean so o b he is in <v Speaker 4>that prologue, he is just an absolutely awful person. And <v Speaker 4>I couldn't help think but when you were talking about <v Speaker 4>the ec comics thing, when you call him a bastard <v Speaker 4>like dude, like there might have been a little. <v Speaker 3>Insto right there, exactly, thank you, right. <v Speaker 4>And Tom Atkins character right there. But then the little <v Speaker 4>boy is played by Stephen King's own son, Joe Hill, that's. <v Speaker 1>Right, who looks just like him, the world famous author himself, <v Speaker 1>right right, And yeah, Stephen King's son, if. <v Speaker 4>I'm not mistaken, he does a lot of work on <v Speaker 4>that creep show show itself that's on Shutter. I think <v Speaker 4>he's heavily involved with that, so he kind of took <v Speaker 4>over and he that's not that's the pseudonym he writes under. <v Speaker 4>I can't remember his actual first name. But he's written <v Speaker 4>books and stuff too, so he's pretty entrenched in the <v Speaker 4>entertainment industry himself. <v Speaker 3>But I think he. <v Speaker 4>Went started going by Joe Hill just so he wouldn't <v Speaker 4>be accused of neapotism, thank you, thank you. But when <v Speaker 4>he actually slaps him in that scene too, it was <v Speaker 4>the makeup and stuff and his dad took him to <v Speaker 4>the store and the lady, the chucout lady at the <v Speaker 4>store actually called the cops. That's thought that he was <v Speaker 4>abusing his son. The planet was makeup work and stuff. <v Speaker 4>So yeah, good work on the part of the makeup <v Speaker 4>department on the movie for making it look that realistic. <v Speaker 1>That's fantastic. By the way, Tom Adkins thrilled me right <v Speaker 1>night of the Creeps Halloween the season of the Witch <v Speaker 1>Leath the weapons shot through carton of mill That's right, <v Speaker 1>Michael huntseicker. <v Speaker 3>Only movie he's not playing a stud. <v Speaker 2>So yes, prologs great. Before I watched the movie, I <v Speaker 2>was like, I know, with Twilight Zone, we've got a <v Speaker 2>we've got a prologue that'll get to you know, a <v Speaker 2>button at the end. <v Speaker 1>And Jason was like, yeah, we've got it on Creep <v Speaker 1>Show too. <v Speaker 2>So the kids reading the comic book and then of <v Speaker 2>course like this death zombie looking thing I noticed. I'm like, man, <v Speaker 2>I'm seeing an episode by episode as we're going through, <v Speaker 2>and George Romero is directing all of these, and every <v Speaker 2>single one of them has some undead being in it it. <v Speaker 2>Eventually he stops doing that. There there's no undead in <v Speaker 2>some of them. But but you get that undead guy <v Speaker 2>and then you get this cool transition into the cartoon <v Speaker 2>cartoon slash comic, and that's when you get the introductory credits. <v Speaker 1>And then we move into Father's Day. <v Speaker 4>Right because we get the crypt Keeper. What is that <v Speaker 4>called the crypt Keeper. It's called the crypt Keeper entails <v Speaker 4>for the crypt but the skeleton. And it's funny because <v Speaker 4>I was actually constructed from a real skeleton, a real <v Speaker 4>human skeleton, but they dressed up and stuff because it <v Speaker 4>was cheaper than buying a prop. <v Speaker 3>So it was shipped from India. <v Speaker 1>Wowow they what? Well? Wow? All right, Okay, that's stunning <v Speaker 1>right there. Okay, so also in Father's Day, I want <v Speaker 1>to point out Vivica lin Force. She plays Aunt Meadilia. <v Speaker 1>I believe she is a famous like classical actress. H <v Speaker 1>She started a movie in nineteen forty nine, Night unto Night. <v Speaker 3>No. <v Speaker 1>Why that's interesting because her star was mister Ronald Reagan, <v Speaker 1>oh the actor. <v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Vice President Jerry Lewis. <v Speaker 3>I gotta look up a picture of this now. <v Speaker 1>And she was very pretty and even though she's super <v Speaker 1>kind of old and haggard in Creep Show, but very beautiful. <v Speaker 3>And she she was a drunk, so let's give her <v Speaker 3>a little credit. <v Speaker 1>I wanted to point out this other lady who's in it, <v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Reagan. She's Ed Harris's dancing partner, his wife, his wife. <v Speaker 1>I guess, yeah, this is basically the only thing she <v Speaker 1>ever does. Like, there's almost nothing else that she does, Okay, <v Speaker 1>like somebody buried her in sand, we never see her again. <v Speaker 4>I actually took note this time when I was watching <v Speaker 4>it to prepare. I don't think she's that bad of <v Speaker 4>an actress. Like when she's begging her brother to go <v Speaker 4>out and with her husband, it looks very genuine. So <v Speaker 4>that's the only thing she ever did that's interesting. <v Speaker 1>What do you guys think about this segment of Father's Day? Richard, <v Speaker 1>I'm scared and it's dark out there. Look, I just <v Speaker 1>want to get another bottle of the line. <v Speaker 3>Okay, please, Richard. <v Speaker 1>All right, come on, come on. <v Speaker 3>I love it. <v Speaker 4>I love it, And in doing research, it seems almost <v Speaker 4>like I might be a little bit the minority on <v Speaker 4>that one, but I love it. <v Speaker 3>I just think it's great. <v Speaker 4>I think that the creature effects are fascinating, how dumb <v Speaker 4>ed Harris is dancing, how he's just laying there with <v Speaker 4>a headstone coming down. He doesn't even try to move <v Speaker 4>the head on a planter. I just think the whole <v Speaker 4>thing's great. I love the makeup effects, the creature designed. <v Speaker 4>I love the whole thing. I think it's just a <v Speaker 4>really interesting story too. <v Speaker 2>So do you love the camp like on campy movies? <v Speaker 2>Do you love the camp. <v Speaker 3>It's done correctly? <v Speaker 1>Yeah? To me always, I'm in the majority here. <v Speaker 2>I'm just like, this is this is ridiculous. <v Speaker 1>This, the whole thing is ridiculous. But I will say this. <v Speaker 2>I will say when the hand comes up out of <v Speaker 2>the ground, that was a good jump scare for me. <v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, okay, it's a nice one, good one, <v Speaker 1>all right. Yeah, But it was the. <v Speaker 3>Jack Daniels said it that brought him back, right. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, No, I just I don't I don't get it. <v Speaker 2>I don't know what the point of the story is. <v Speaker 2>Is like she killed him and he killed her back <v Speaker 2>and then killed the kids too. <v Speaker 1>The fact that Ed Harris lays on his back while <v Speaker 1>that that stone is moving, moving, moving, because he's got <v Speaker 1>no choice. <v Speaker 2>He gets up and faces the demon from how or <v Speaker 2>he gets he hopes that the thing doesn't fall. <v Speaker 1>Oh, my gosh, yeah, no, I was. <v Speaker 2>I was in the same book roll over. <v Speaker 1>You just roll over three. <v Speaker 4>The mindset though that these are based on comic books <v Speaker 4>like in comic books are ridiculous. <v Speaker 1>Father, I got my copy Father's. <v Speaker 4>If they had tried to make this all serious, it <v Speaker 4>wouldn't be a come book movie. <v Speaker 3>Then why call it creepshow? <v Speaker 4>Why say it's based on comic books like it's it's <v Speaker 4>a different kind of movie. <v Speaker 2>Listen, I just want to I want to be completely <v Speaker 2>transparent here. I had to hurry to get this movie done, <v Speaker 2>so I watched it on my phone at one and <v Speaker 2>a half speed, like I'm watching to get sped up, <v Speaker 2>and even sped up, I'm still going Edie Harris, what <v Speaker 2>are you doing? <v Speaker 1>You have all of the time in the world. <v Speaker 3>Go is that is funny? That is funny? I agree? <v Speaker 3>I agree. <v Speaker 1>By the way, there's a cool prop in this segment <v Speaker 1>that is reused later. You know about this? <v Speaker 4>Yep, every segment the ashtray that she'd be set in with, <v Speaker 4>it's it appears on every single segment. <v Speaker 1>Plus, wow, I didn't astray that she kills him with <v Speaker 1>pretty cool huh. Yeah, that's great. I like that. Okay, <v Speaker 1>we done with that one. Yeah, let's talk about the <v Speaker 1>Lonesome Death of Jordy Viral. Sorrying, mister Stephen King himself, <v Speaker 1>Jordy Beryl, your buckhead. I found that interesting as a kid. <v Speaker 1>I was like, oh my gosh, that is Stephen King, <v Speaker 1>the guy who has written all these unbelievable stories, and <v Speaker 1>what a fantastic actor he is too. <v Speaker 3>You're being facetious right now. I can tell. <v Speaker 1>From Janet over there. <v Speaker 3>Let me tell you about his face right now. He <v Speaker 3>is not serious. <v Speaker 1>Okay. <v Speaker 2>So the name of this one is the is the <v Speaker 2>Lonesome Death of Jordie Beryl. There is a Bob Dylan <v Speaker 2>song called the Lonesome Death of Hattie Carol. <v Speaker 1>Interesting. <v Speaker 2>I think it has to be taken from that, right, <v Speaker 2>Just fyi, Pattie Carol, Bob Dylan wrote a song about her. <v Speaker 2>She was a lady who was killed in nineteen sixty three, <v Speaker 2>African American lady who was killed by the rich son <v Speaker 2>of a tobacco farmer. And he got six months in <v Speaker 2>jail and was released. It was it was at the <v Speaker 2>time of gregation. It was at the time of he <v Speaker 2>wasn't even tried by a jury. It was a three <v Speaker 2>judge panel. And they gave him six months for assault <v Speaker 2>and that was it. Bob Dylan writes a song called <v Speaker 2>The Lonesome Death of Patti Carroll, and then Stephen King <v Speaker 2>writes a story in the seventies. <v Speaker 1>So this appeared in Gallery magazine, which is about ten <v Speaker 1>notches down from Playboy. <v Speaker 2>You know, so it makes Hustler look like Time, that's right. <v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it was the way that we get Stephen <v Speaker 1>King movies into the world. <v Speaker 2>Hey, he was a beginning writer doing his best to <v Speaker 2>feed his family. Whoever's willing to pay money for your story, <v Speaker 2>take the money and run. <v Speaker 1>But I do think it's interesting. So George Romero talks <v Speaker 1>Stephen King into play in this part. Stephen King's like, dude, <v Speaker 1>I'm writing the story. I'm busy, I'm working on Christine. <v Speaker 1>I'm trying to finish Christine. And He's like, no, you <v Speaker 1>got to play this part. And so when he brought <v Speaker 1>him in to play it, he said, I want you <v Speaker 1>to play it just like Wiley Coyote. <v Speaker 4>Yep, I have the exam well, because I think it's <v Speaker 4>so interesting, he said. I don't think Steve to they <v Speaker 4>has forgiven me because my only direction to him was <v Speaker 4>play it like the Roadrunner and the Warner Brothers cartoons. <v Speaker 4>Just go way out into left field with it and <v Speaker 4>exaggerate as much as you want to, he recalled, And <v Speaker 4>of course critics came back and said, well, this is <v Speaker 4>not a very subtle performance, and it's not supposed to be. <v Speaker 4>I mean, it's supposed to be a cartoon. It is <v Speaker 4>basically a cartoon. So again, d it is a cartoon, <v Speaker 4>it is a comic. It is you know, it's meant <v Speaker 4>to be that way. <v Speaker 1>Sure, okay, And I would argue, I'm going to push <v Speaker 1>back on this just a little bit. If this is <v Speaker 1>played serious, like a meteor from outer space comes and <v Speaker 1>you get an infection on your body where plants are <v Speaker 1>taking over your body and you cannot get wet or <v Speaker 1>else and you're covered with this itch. It's this great <v Speaker 1>rub of I have to shower, I can't shower. I <v Speaker 1>think it's super tense. It could be super scary, and <v Speaker 1>it's it's still scary, but it's it's it's really goofy. <v Speaker 4>I don't think it's scary at all. I don't think <v Speaker 4>that was even the intention. Don't you think though, you know, <v Speaker 4>I think like if you think back to like you know, <v Speaker 4>fifties and sixties B movies, you know, the infestation of <v Speaker 4>the giant ants and the radioactive whatever. Like I think <v Speaker 4>that's more what it was meant to be, where it's like, okay, <v Speaker 4>imagine this worst case scenario, but the people are going <v Speaker 4>to make the worst decisions they possibly can make, you know, <v Speaker 4>And that's why they made him a dumb character. To <v Speaker 4>your point, if they had played it more serious, made <v Speaker 4>him a smarter guy or whatever. Are you really scared <v Speaker 4>that plants are going to take over the world? I <v Speaker 4>mean really scary? We all saw the happening. <v Speaker 3>Like, was that scary? <v Speaker 4>No? You know, so, I think they played it with <v Speaker 4>the right angle. I will say it's my least favorite <v Speaker 4>segment out of. <v Speaker 3>All of them. <v Speaker 1>Really, wow, I like this one. I mean yeah, I <v Speaker 1>like it because at the end it really does come <v Speaker 1>to a head and he blows his brain. <v Speaker 2>Then you know, no, no, I just can't. I can't <v Speaker 2>support it. So the first story is this old lady <v Speaker 2>is coming back for Father's Day, the day that she <v Speaker 2>killed her father, and her father comes out of the <v Speaker 2>grave and kills her. That's the end of the story. Yes, <v Speaker 2>you got this story is a guy's he's a meteor, <v Speaker 2>he touches it, he gets grass on him, it gets <v Speaker 2>to grow over his whole body so much that he <v Speaker 2>decides to blow his brains out. He's itchy. That's the <v Speaker 2>beginning of a story. That's not the whole story. What <v Speaker 2>there's no there's nothing. <v Speaker 4>What's left to the imagination though, because at the end <v Speaker 4>they talk about record level rainfalls, and you know, so <v Speaker 4>it's like, how many meters actually fell? <v Speaker 3>You know? <v Speaker 4>Did it happen all over the town, did it happen <v Speaker 4>all over the country, all over the world? <v Speaker 3>Whatever? Is this the end of the world as we <v Speaker 3>know it? <v Speaker 1>I don't think it's even I think that it lays <v Speaker 1>it out for us that the weeds are taking over. <v Speaker 1>We're one hundred and eighty eight miles from Boston and <v Speaker 1>there's a big rain coming, and so it is the <v Speaker 1>end of the world, which I thought was a really <v Speaker 1>cool transition. <v Speaker 4>Five miles from Castle rack Cartiff Kingsavanian. <v Speaker 1>There you go. Apparently it didn't because we have Kujo <v Speaker 1>next year. So there you go. <v Speaker 2>Okay, what's next on our creep show timeline? <v Speaker 1>All right? The very next one is called something to <v Speaker 1>Tide You Over? This star is a pre Cheers head <v Speaker 1>dancing and a pre police squad Leslie Nielsen, Richard, get <v Speaker 1>out of here. He's just getting revenge, Harry. We're all <v Speaker 1>the relatives and baked and stuff. Get mamas are pre <v Speaker 1>naked gun, pre naked gun. And that's basically it. You've <v Speaker 1>got a girl in there some what, but it's basically <v Speaker 1>these two guys you square off. This is my favorite one. <v Speaker 1>This is my absolute fa Yeah. <v Speaker 2>The storyline on this is much better. Okay, it's still <v Speaker 2>not what I would call good, but it is much better. <v Speaker 2>Do you feel the hate count? <v Speaker 3>I don't think we even have to do final judgment. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, I told you this is gonna be more like <v Speaker 2>Brave Heart and Gladiator. Okay, all right, I'm not. I'm <v Speaker 2>not just gonna ball out hate it, but it's there <v Speaker 2>is a little bit more to the story in this one. <v Speaker 2>You know, they can come back and they do it <v Speaker 2>to him. But again, I'm just like, I don't know, <v Speaker 2>I wanted something more. We're going to talk about the <v Speaker 2>stories in twilet Zone here in the middle, and I <v Speaker 2>will be able to tell you what was achieved there <v Speaker 2>that was not achieved here. <v Speaker 1>So let's just talk about what happens in this one. <v Speaker 1>So you've got this guy named Richard Vickers who's played <v Speaker 1>by Leslie Nilson, who's rich, powerful, jealous, and ted Danson <v Speaker 1>has taken his wife, and so Richard's like, nobody takes <v Speaker 1>anything from me, mister right. <v Speaker 2>One of the things that I love about Stephen King <v Speaker 2>is the way that he comes up with character names. <v Speaker 2>The guy's name is Richard Vickers and he's a rich <v Speaker 2>guy like that, just that's great. I love the He's <v Speaker 2>so good at naming these characters. In every book that <v Speaker 2>I've read of his, the characters always have fantastic names. <v Speaker 1>So he comes to ted Danson and he plays a <v Speaker 1>little recorded clip and it's Becky who is like, oh <v Speaker 1>my gosh, she's got me. Come give me. He'll help me. <v Speaker 1>And he's like, what'd you do to her? I'm gonna <v Speaker 1>I'm gonna kill you. And he's like, oh, kill me. <v Speaker 1>And you'll never find out where you know. It's the <v Speaker 1>classic of You've got to come with me to find <v Speaker 1>out where she is. And they get in the car <v Speaker 1>and they take Leslie Nielsen's awesome jeep out to the beach. <v Speaker 1>Is awesome. <v Speaker 4>It is awesome, right, You can't skip over the fact <v Speaker 4>in this segment though, that when Leslie Nielsen shows up. <v Speaker 4>It's one of my favorite things about the movies or <v Speaker 4>about the movie that Ted Danson is in a robe <v Speaker 4>and Leslie Nielsen gives him time to change into a <v Speaker 4>multi layered corduroy outfit before they leave. I think it's <v Speaker 4>hilarious thinking about him sitting in the living room like <v Speaker 4>you ready yet. <v Speaker 1>Ted Danson also threatens him at the very beginning. He's like, <v Speaker 1>move your foot, buddy, I bench pressed three hundred pounds <v Speaker 1>a month. No you don't. <v Speaker 3>That is a lie, right, good stuff. <v Speaker 1>May Day Malone does not bench three hundred pounds. So <v Speaker 1>they drag him out to the beach. Leslie Nilsen pulls <v Speaker 1>a gun on him, tells him to get in the hole. <v Speaker 1>There's like a giant hole built in the beach, and <v Speaker 1>so ted Dance is like, no way, I'm not doing it, <v Speaker 1>and he fires a bullet. So that's the question you <v Speaker 1>have to ask yourself. Would I take the bullet? Would <v Speaker 1>I take my chances in the hole? <v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I totally run and straight at the guy. <v Speaker 2>There's no way you don't see what's coming. <v Speaker 1>In this scenario, I would take my chances with the <v Speaker 1>sand I feel like I could wiggle my way out <v Speaker 1>of sand. <v Speaker 3>Ooh, your kids have never buried you in sand. I <v Speaker 3>might be wrong, but especially what sand that's concrete. <v Speaker 1>Down your feet? <v Speaker 3>Is concrete? <v Speaker 2>Oh sir, yes, but unless you happened to bench three <v Speaker 2>hundred pounds so ted dance and should have gotten out. <v Speaker 1>I'm given the ten foot running start at Leslie Nilson. <v Speaker 1>I'm betting he can hit you from there with a <v Speaker 1>with a gun, I know, but I might be able <v Speaker 1>to take him down after he hits me. I'm not <v Speaker 1>going to incapacitate myself voluntarily a chance. He also lies <v Speaker 1>to him and says, if you'll do this, I just <v Speaker 1>want to incapacitate you, and I'll tell you where she is. <v Speaker 1>I thought she's you know. He said, I'll let you <v Speaker 1>see her. I'll let you see. He doesn't lie, he <v Speaker 1>doesn't relies. Yeah, so he does incapacitate him, and he <v Speaker 1>does show her to him through the wonderful technology of VCR. <v Speaker 1>On the beach. <v Speaker 2>There's like a five mile cord that he's got rolling <v Speaker 2>out of the back. <v Speaker 1>Just in case you was like, how do you get <v Speaker 1>power on the beat? <v Speaker 2>You? Well, we rolled it in, sir. We have cables <v Speaker 2>on a spool. <v Speaker 1>Right by the way. Ted Danson had just shot the <v Speaker 1>pilot for this TV show. I don't know if you <v Speaker 1>ever heard of it. Nope, cheers. Oh was he in that? <v Speaker 1>How about that? But I love that story. <v Speaker 4>Nilsen lifting off the old Fox TV like it's nothing <v Speaker 4>like it's a TV nowadays. <v Speaker 3>That thing had to weigh one hundred and fifty pounds. <v Speaker 2>Ago it was a two people job to move the <v Speaker 2>TV around in the living room. <v Speaker 1>Remember that? Yep? <v Speaker 3>Well maybe he bunches benches three hundred pounds too. <v Speaker 1>And then well he shows Ted dancing that Becky you know, <v Speaker 1>was in the hole as well, and the tide was <v Speaker 1>coming in and she had to fight to keep from drowning. <v Speaker 2>Live feed that VCER back there is on record, not play. <v Speaker 1>And then and then he asked him, you know, how <v Speaker 1>long can you hold your breath? That to me is <v Speaker 1>super tense. I love this story. I think it's great. Yep, yes, yeah, <v Speaker 1>it's better. Yeah better? <v Speaker 4>Did you get the hevgbs when they just kept showing <v Speaker 4>his head though, Like I felt like claustrophobic because I <v Speaker 4>started thinking about that because I have been buried in <v Speaker 4>sand at the beach. You know, playfully obviously, and it's <v Speaker 4>like you can't move. It's like concrete. So it's like <v Speaker 4>I was, especially if you're vertical like that, and he <v Speaker 4>had a neil and he was right, you have no leverage. <v Speaker 4>Your arms are down at your side, You're not getting <v Speaker 4>out of there. Like so I was literally like getting <v Speaker 4>a little clauster foback just sitting there watching that. <v Speaker 2>I will tell you that the effect that they did <v Speaker 2>where his head is completely under the water and he's <v Speaker 2>gasping for breath, that was intense. That was a great shot. <v Speaker 2>That was an intense shot. You're wondering what's going to happen? <v Speaker 2>How is he going to get out of this? <v Speaker 1>And then it. <v Speaker 2>Cuts away to Leslie Nielsen watching it on his you know, <v Speaker 2>on his cameras at the house comes back and Leslie <v Speaker 2>Nielson is like, well, he must have washed away with <v Speaker 2>the tide because he can't find the body. <v Speaker 4>When I had mentioned earlier about the best shot in <v Speaker 4>the movie, Yeah, that's my favorite shot. <v Speaker 3>When it's back lit comic book style. <v Speaker 4>Okay, but it's backlit in his hair and the way <v Speaker 4>the bubbles are going up the way they're supposed to whatever, Like, <v Speaker 4>how did they do that. <v Speaker 3>I don't know. <v Speaker 1>I just talked about it. <v Speaker 2>Actually, he said that they had an aquarium, put him <v Speaker 2>in a wet suit and like somebody would hand him <v Speaker 2>a breather and he'd But how. <v Speaker 4>Did they hair like because we're pre cgi were pre Like, <v Speaker 4>I don't think. <v Speaker 1>She was in the water. <v Speaker 3>Pretty cool shot, Like, I don't know. I just think <v Speaker 3>it's the coolest shot in the movie. <v Speaker 1>That's great. Did you hear the backup plan for the effects, <v Speaker 1>So they had a guy with the scuba gear thing <v Speaker 1>and in case they ran into problems, Tom Sevini had <v Speaker 1>a sledgehammer. He's gonna bash the aquarium. Oh good, okay, yeah, <v Speaker 1>sounds like a good safe plan. Let's do this thing. <v Speaker 3>Always had a backup job. I always had a backup. <v Speaker 1>Also, rumor has it that Leslie Nilsen, before they would <v Speaker 1>start filming, he had a little fart maker and I <v Speaker 1>can't even say with that cracking up, but right before <v Speaker 1>they he'd say okay, action, he'd make a little far <v Speaker 1>He would constantly be cracking up Ted dancing. That's hilarious. <v Speaker 1>By the way, the end of the scene when Ted <v Speaker 1>dancing and Becky come back. You know, zombie fide First <v Speaker 1>of all, they zombie up. They look pruney, overly pruney, <v Speaker 1>you know, for being in the water for two hours. <v Speaker 1>And then he shoots them and like soy sauce comes <v Speaker 1>out of their head. I think they're also moving extremely slow. <v Speaker 1>And you're gonna tell me that they like dug a <v Speaker 1>hole and chased him around and grabbed him and put <v Speaker 1>him in there. <v Speaker 2>Well, but I mean part of this is that they <v Speaker 2>they have the magic of being undead because on all <v Speaker 2>of the cameras when it would show you the camera shot, <v Speaker 2>they weren't in it. You didn't see them in the <v Speaker 2>camera shot. <v Speaker 1>That's true. <v Speaker 2>They they're like a ghost. This is like a ghost post, <v Speaker 2>a Tailtale heart kind of thing. Where is Leslie Nielsen <v Speaker 2>really being attacked by zombies or is it just his <v Speaker 2>psychological breakdown? <v Speaker 1>Interesting? Yeah, I can hold my breath a long time. <v Speaker 1>Or is Frank Drevin just having a terrible nightmare? Okay, <v Speaker 1>we on to the next one. Yeah, the next one's <v Speaker 1>called the Crate. This was actually the longest segment at <v Speaker 1>forty minutes. They said that this was supposed to be <v Speaker 1>number three, but they pushed it to number four because <v Speaker 1>they didn't want it to drag in the middle. <v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, in my opinion, it batted cleanup. This is <v Speaker 2>the best one of them all for me. <v Speaker 1>Okay, okay. This stars Hal Holbrook, Adrian Barbo, and Fluffy. <v Speaker 1>Fluffy is the name that they gave the creature from <v Speaker 1>the Crate. Okay, all right. I sent you guys a <v Speaker 1>picture yesterday. You know, there's this creature who lives in <v Speaker 1>a crate. They got him at the in the Arctic. <v Speaker 1>I'm like, we've never seen a creature like this, or <v Speaker 1>have we? And I sent you a picture of the <v Speaker 1>Bumble from the Rootolph the Red Nose reindeer special Bumbles. <v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right. <v Speaker 3>Yeah. They based it on a Yuie, so they nailed it. <v Speaker 1>Well yeah, I mean it was. <v Speaker 2>It was supposed to be from an Arctic expedition from <v Speaker 2>June nineteen, eighteen thirty four, and I looked that up <v Speaker 2>and I was like, nothing happened on that. Like literally, <v Speaker 2>if you look up the date, the first thing that <v Speaker 2>comes up is the create Wikipedia site. So that's the <v Speaker 2>only event that happened. That's of note is that they <v Speaker 2>put that on the crate. But what is interesting is <v Speaker 2>right before this movie came out, Adrian Barbeo had the <v Speaker 2>sole female appearance in another movie that we've talked about <v Speaker 2>that dealt with an Arctic expedition and a monster. <v Speaker 1>Yeah it is, I do tell me it was the thing. Yeah, <v Speaker 1>and she played the voice of the computer. That's right, <v Speaker 1>she was the voice of the computer. She was also <v Speaker 1>married to John Carpenter at the time. I believe she was. Yeah, <v Speaker 1>that's right. <v Speaker 4>Special effects were done by Rob Mutine, who also designed <v Speaker 4>the skeleton Cryptkeeper at the beginning of Creep Show. <v Speaker 1>Oh nice, there you go. Adrian Barboau was also in <v Speaker 1>this movie called Canniball Run. Oh yeah, yes, starring Burt Rolls, <v Speaker 1>and we covered that season one we did. You can <v Speaker 1>go back and listen to that versus Smoking in the Bandit. <v Speaker 1>You also have Hal Holbrick, though, I want to bring <v Speaker 1>attention to him. We had a great conversation about this. <v Speaker 2>He's like, do you have any you have any trivia <v Speaker 2>on how Holbrook And I was like, well, he's on <v Speaker 2>The Golden Girls and You're like, yeah, you told me that. <v Speaker 2>I'm like, wait a minute. It was not the Golden Girls, <v Speaker 2>it was the Southern Golden Girls. <v Speaker 1>What is that show? And he was like, the Southern <v Speaker 1>Golden Girls. I'm like, yeah, you know, it's like any women. <v Speaker 3>Yes, you know, Southern Golden Girls. <v Speaker 2>Four smart ass slightly older than normal ladies, giving it <v Speaker 2>their best. I know it well enough to say that <v Speaker 2>I watched the show and how Wolbrook was a part <v Speaker 2>of that show. <v Speaker 4>The way you just said that, slightly smarter than or <v Speaker 4>slightly older than normal ladies. <v Speaker 1>I didn't know what to say normal ladies and TV <v Speaker 1>shows of the day, older than normal middle aged? They <v Speaker 1>were middle aged. How about that. <v Speaker 4>I'm coming up on a golden age myself here in <v Speaker 4>the age they were in that show, turned down. <v Speaker 1>The barrel of half a century. I know, happy birthday, <v Speaker 1>here you go. Hal Holbrick in two thousand and eight, <v Speaker 1>at age eighty two, is the oldest actor ever nominated <v Speaker 1>for an Academy Award. Okay, little tidbit on hal Holbrook <v Speaker 1>was married to Dixie Carter, who's in Designing One. Yeah, yeah, <v Speaker 1>that was his wife. Okay, how about that. Nepotism comes <v Speaker 1>right back up the. <v Speaker 4>Night the lights out in Georgia favorite taxi Carter line. <v Speaker 1>Okay, so you asked me what hal Holbrook was nominated <v Speaker 1>for an Academy Award for, Yes, and I was like, <v Speaker 1>I don't know some movie in two thousand and seven, <v Speaker 1>one I probably don't care about or never heard of. <v Speaker 1>Not true. Right, it's a movie called Into the Wild, <v Speaker 1>and it's amazing. We just talked about this again. We <v Speaker 1>talked about Meal Hirst, we talked about a week ago. <v Speaker 1>That's right. It's crazy how these things coming up. And <v Speaker 1>I'm not even kidding. <v Speaker 2>Arlen, who's who's been a listener since we since day one, <v Speaker 2>called me to talk about our best of Best Songs <v Speaker 2>of nineteen ninety four as I was driving over here today, right, <v Speaker 2>and he brought up a Meal Hirsch as well. I <v Speaker 2>don't even know why. I don't know how he came up. <v Speaker 2>But we're talking to Meal Hirsch and I'm like, okay, buddy, <v Speaker 2>I gotta let you go. I'm about to go in <v Speaker 2>and record on Creep Show versus Twilight Zone. <v Speaker 1>And he's like, oh, I love both of those movies. <v Speaker 1>I love both those movies. <v Speaker 2>He's like, when you go in and say, tell them <v Speaker 2>to call you Billy. <v Speaker 1>Call me Belly. Everyone else does. By the way, this <v Speaker 1>is the one movie where Adrian Barbo's boobs could not <v Speaker 1>pull her out of being a likable person. No, she's <v Speaker 1>horrible in this movie. <v Speaker 2>Yep, yep. And we've all known somebody like her. Actually, <v Speaker 2>her performance in this like as she's reading the letter <v Speaker 2>you got to you gotta think you have his voice <v Speaker 2>over and her reading this letter and kind of moving <v Speaker 2>around in the kitchen as she reads the letter, and <v Speaker 2>her delight and excitement at the misfortune of others is <v Speaker 2>so palatable and so well done. She's I feel like <v Speaker 2>she's an underrated actress. Maybe her boobs held her back somewhat. <v Speaker 3>And she celebrates them. That's a light with a glass <v Speaker 3>of milk. <v Speaker 1>Yep. You know. She starred in a movie in nineteen <v Speaker 1>eighty two called Swamp Thing, which was very much like <v Speaker 1>the Death of Jordi Verral. That's true. Yeah, there you go. <v Speaker 1>Her boobs were more prominent than that one. That movie <v Speaker 1>was rated PG. <v Speaker 2>I know, thank you cause I got to watch it <v Speaker 2>as it was like Airplane for you exactly like I'm <v Speaker 2>watching them, like, oh wow, I get this in a movie. <v Speaker 1>I'm allowed to watch. This is fantastic. It's totally okay, mom, <v Speaker 1>because it's PG. <v Speaker 4>We you can thank Pultzer guys for PG thirteen. So <v Speaker 4>grip a guy's face off. <v Speaker 1>Okay, let's go on to the next one. The next <v Speaker 1>segment is called They're Creeping up on You. This star <v Speaker 1>is mister E. G. Marshall. I've got this bug problem. <v Speaker 1>Once you get budged, you never get rid of breed. <v Speaker 1>In the close paces the conuits, very core of building. <v Speaker 2>Itself, almost exclusively. This is like a one man show, <v Speaker 2>I mean, except for you know, people on the intercom <v Speaker 2>on the on the telephone, right, And then a one <v Speaker 2>brief where he and it's a greatly it is very <v Speaker 2>well done bit where he's talking to the maintenance man <v Speaker 2>on the other side of the door and they're talking <v Speaker 2>through a little piece of glass that looks like it <v Speaker 2>must be a magnifying glass. So as you move perspectives <v Speaker 2>you see their mouths enlarged to kind of gross graphic <v Speaker 2>proportions as they're talking. But he does this whole thing <v Speaker 2>basically by himself. <v Speaker 1>He's awesome in it. <v Speaker 2>It's really good. I mean, this is a I mean, <v Speaker 2>this is a guy who's in twelve Angry Men. This <v Speaker 2>is the guy who played the president in Superman two. <v Speaker 2>And the lights aren't twinkling Clark all right. Art from <v Speaker 2>Christmas Vacation. Thanks Art no, and thanks for noticing. <v Speaker 1>He's a horrible person too, and his delight in other <v Speaker 1>people's problems is he's gleeful. Oh it's terrible. You want <v Speaker 1>him to die. He's like, so your husband went on <v Speaker 1>with a bang. Eh, yeah, he. <v Speaker 4>Could be best friends in a character we're going to <v Speaker 4>talk about Twilight, soe that's for sure. <v Speaker 1>Yeah. So he's a horrible and obviously this is based <v Speaker 1>on Howard Hughes, who is a germophobe and he's got <v Speaker 1>all these you know, he starts to see bugs in <v Speaker 1>his apartment and he's like, I'm paying thirty two hundred <v Speaker 1>bucks for the penthouse apartment. This is supposed to be <v Speaker 1>germ free, and how can it be germ free if <v Speaker 1>it's not even bug free? He's got cockroaches. And I <v Speaker 1>remember as a kid on my way out to catch <v Speaker 1>the school bus, I was watching Good Morning in America <v Speaker 1>with my mom and they showed the preview for this <v Speaker 1>and it was like the weird guy with a big <v Speaker 1>mustache on Good Morning in America and he was show <v Speaker 1>he showed a clip where cockroaches were taking over and <v Speaker 1>it was like gonna kill, you know, killing this guy, <v Speaker 1>And I was horrified. As a little kid going to school. <v Speaker 1>And I mean, this is this is super intense. It's <v Speaker 1>gross and it's scary and you can feel it coming. <v Speaker 4>So apparently they imported all the cockroaches from Trinidad because <v Speaker 4>if they would have purchased them in the States, they <v Speaker 4>would have been like fifty cents a piece, so it <v Speaker 4>was cheaper to bring them in from Trinidad. They brought <v Speaker 4>in about eighteen thousand of them and then had a <v Speaker 4>trailer on set where they bread the cockroaches because they <v Speaker 4>needed so many of them. And there is article after <v Speaker 4>article about how you cannot control the coach. <v Speaker 3>Cockroach does not act. <v Speaker 1>They had to. <v Speaker 4>Cover the walls and back basilin to keep them from <v Speaker 4>climbing the walls. Oh my gosh, they did not recover <v Speaker 4>nearly as many as they released on this set. <v Speaker 3>They were all over the place. <v Speaker 4>They would pick up the phone, they'd hear him in <v Speaker 4>the handsets and the and. <v Speaker 1>I mean I would burn that place to the ground. <v Speaker 4>Right, I mean, but cockroaches nuclear war, you know, I <v Speaker 4>mean they're going to survive that too. I just the <v Speaker 4>whole segment grosses me out so bad. <v Speaker 1>They laugh at your vasolene attempts. <v Speaker 3>To cut it, yeah, right, And originally they wanted the set. <v Speaker 4>Romeiro wanted the set to be a fully carpeted apartment, <v Speaker 4>but they knew that wasn't going to work for the <v Speaker 4>cockroaches either, which I think is a good call because <v Speaker 4>if he was a germophobe. <v Speaker 3>Germophobes to that degree aren't going to have carpeting. <v Speaker 1>Yeah. <v Speaker 2>The the stark white of everything in the apartment, in <v Speaker 2>the pentast apartment is a great effect, and I think <v Speaker 2>that it is accentuated by the fact that they have <v Speaker 2>that one old school jukebox just in the middle of it. <v Speaker 2>Like it's not like he's really enjoying the music that much, <v Speaker 2>but for some reason, having that thing right there makes <v Speaker 2>it more real than if he was in a completely sanitary, <v Speaker 2>sterile environment. <v Speaker 1>That'd be the one prop I want from this movie <v Speaker 1>that that jewbox is amazing. It's pretty cool. Full of cockroaches. Now, <v Speaker 1>by the way, so the end scene where he of <v Speaker 1>course is consumed by the cockroaches, there's this incredible effect <v Speaker 1>where like his neck opens up and all these cockroaches <v Speaker 1>come pouring out, And I wondered, like, how did they <v Speaker 1>get that effect? Well, I guess Tom Savini had like <v Speaker 1>this giant fat syringe full of cockroaches and he just <v Speaker 1>pushed the little plunger and they just almost out of <v Speaker 1>the guy's neck. <v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, and the as the scene went on, <v Speaker 2>it became very obvious that he had a dummy. It <v Speaker 2>was no longer right there, right as that scene began, <v Speaker 2>and he was actually dying. There's a moment where like <v Speaker 2>his forehead swells up and it's still him, Like it's <v Speaker 2>still it's still his head, it's the actor's head. And <v Speaker 2>I see it swell up as though the cockroach is <v Speaker 2>moving under his skin. And I'm like, that's the best <v Speaker 2>effect in this whole dang movie. That was incredible. <v Speaker 1>I don't know practice effects, amen, sister. <v Speaker 4>I miss those days, man, because CGI gets outdated tomorrow. <v Speaker 4>None of these effects look out data to me looks like. <v Speaker 1>The video for black Hole Sun. That's right, okay. And <v Speaker 1>then we get the epilogue afterwards, right, this is when <v Speaker 1>little Joe Hill has got a voodoo doll that he's <v Speaker 1>sticking it to his dad. <v Speaker 2>Finally, well, the I you, they totally bait you with that, right. <v Speaker 2>They give the foreshadowing because the garbage men who find <v Speaker 2>the comic book. They're like, oh, you can, you know, <v Speaker 2>do this Joe Atlas thing, or you can do this. <v Speaker 2>You can get these extra glasses. Now those don't actually work. <v Speaker 2>Oh you can order do all. It looks like somebody <v Speaker 2>or already ordered the voodoo. That was cool, right, wink <v Speaker 2>nudge yep. And once again those garbage men. One of <v Speaker 2>those guys is Tom Savini, the makeup effects guy for <v Speaker 2>Creep Show. <v Speaker 1>And then I love it that. <v Speaker 4>He has little cameos in a lot of movies he <v Speaker 4>does because you know, he was in Dawn of the <v Speaker 4>Dada as well as one of the bikers and stuff. <v Speaker 4>I just love having that little rough edge that he has. <v Speaker 4>So a pleasant surprise because I forgot about him being <v Speaker 4>a garbage until I saw it again. <v Speaker 1>Sound nice nice? Okay, So that pretty much wraps up <v Speaker 1>Creep Show. I do have a couple of little nuggets <v Speaker 1>I want to drop on you. They originally were going <v Speaker 1>to release this for Halloween. They didn't release it until <v Speaker 1>like November tenth, eleventh, something like that in nineteen eighty <v Speaker 1>two because they were scared off because Halloween three season <v Speaker 1>of The Witch was coming out. <v Speaker 2>For our listening audience, our guest host today, Amanda Janek <v Speaker 2>is wearing a Halloween two T shirt right now. <v Speaker 1>My favorite one, Halloween three is the one with that <v Speaker 1>crazy song that still haunts my dreams. But they were <v Speaker 1>scared off because they thought that was going to be <v Speaker 1>the big hit, right, and it turned out people didn't <v Speaker 1>really like not having Michael Myers in a Halloween movie. <v Speaker 2>It turns out right the'son the Witch can go suck <v Speaker 2>an eggsurgence. <v Speaker 3>Don't kid yourself. <v Speaker 1>Oh, by the way, Season of the Witch, I don't. <v Speaker 1>Did we mention the fact that Tom Adkins is in. Yeah, <v Speaker 1>tom Adkins big player in season the Witch. But they <v Speaker 1>moved it back to November twelfth, which is typically holiday kids, <v Speaker 1>you know, Snoopy and Thanksgiving and all that stuff, And <v Speaker 1>so you have kind of a creepy, scary movie in <v Speaker 1>mid November. Also, I thought this was cool for good luck. <v Speaker 1>Throughout the filming of Creep Show, Stephen King kept a <v Speaker 1>Star Wars action figure of Greedo in his pocket. <v Speaker 2>That's a weird character to choose. <v Speaker 1>It is weird. That is strange. It is weird. <v Speaker 2>Unshot first, but first, so I'm listening to what you're saying. <v Speaker 2>I'm like, these sound like terrible ideas. This was the <v Speaker 2>highest grossing Warner Brothers horror movie of the year and <v Speaker 2>second weekend it first Blood out. <v Speaker 1>Of the top spot. Wow. That is no small achievements. Okay, <v Speaker 1>so that's gonna do it For this first episode of <v Speaker 1>Creepshow versus Twilight Zone, Amanda, thank you for coming on. <v Speaker 1>You're coming back next week to do part two with us? <v Speaker 3>You bet? <v Speaker 1>I can't wait, all right? Awesome? Okay, thanks guys, we'll <v Speaker 1>see you next week.
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