March Madness Bracket Predictions + Steve Rinella On Building The Meat Eater Empire

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Speaker 3: Busting with the boys, hanging with the best.

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Speaker 2: Betting on a game.

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Speaker 3: No woman's gonna tell us what you do, not be We're here just drinking beer and making Nando Baby. I'm hanging with the Fellers. He's busting with the boys.

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Speaker 2: Bro twenty Steve Vanilla, March Madness, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another beautiful episode of Busting with the Boys, Episode three hundred and twenty.

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Speaker 2: Real quick, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people want to talk about all these different apps that you can sports bet on. There's only one app in the game that's able to do the futures bet. Oh yeah, you're able to if you want to do futures bet.

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Speaker 6: Can you explain that a little bit more?

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Speaker 2: Great news? Willy Seed just cooked one up? Yep, yeah. Do you want me to explain it more? Do you want Willy c to tell you what's going on?

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Speaker 6: I think Will can explain it, and then that would explain it.

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Speaker 2: So on f you can do a parlay on futures for the tournament. So for example, your boy has cooked one up already, because I'm thinking, like, what is this about? Can I really just take like the top seeds and conservatively place them in the Sweet sixteen or the Elite eight. Was the Gammek server a second Auburn, they're a one seed. I got them reaching the Elite eight Florida to reach the Elite eight, Saint John's to get to the Sweet sixteen, Duke to get to the Elite eight, Houston to hit the Sweet sixteen Tennessee to reach the Sweet sixteen. Doesn't matter if I believe any of those teams can win the whole damn thing. But I have that six leg parlay on all futures. You put that together, and that parlay is worth plus eight oh eight right now in the sportsoh spicy, Just like why people say, hey this everybody wants, you know, they want the march madness to come alive, Like they want to get cute, they want to find all these upsets. How is this tournament going to be chaotic? But also people are talking out there it feels like this is not necessarily a year you kind of maybe want to keep it simple because these teams that are playing at high level or playing at such a high level that it almost feels like a no brainer. Like people talking about like Duke and Auburn, Florida.

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Speaker 1: I got Florida.

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Speaker 4: We're going on the street is that Houston might be the best team out there right now. I've been talking to a couple of guys and they're saying, Houston.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I know they're a one seed, but people are still sleeping on Houston a little bit. You know why I like Houston Their strength coach. Yeah, yeah, they have a great strength program. Somebody I followed for a very long time and and his name is Alan what is his last He follow him for a long time, so I have but apparently like he hasn't come across my algorithm in a while. And this could be a because he's focused, maybe maybe he's somewhere else. But I've started following Houston basketball because of this strength coach, because he's big on like the eccentric work, you know, the triphasic model, and he shows it like on social media. So I was just like, oh, and then when you see Houston kind of getting better and become the program that they've been, I'm not chalking it all up to the strength coach, but I'm thinking, like, that's fucking awesome.

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Speaker 4: This doesn't need to Alan Bishop shout out. Is that him right there, handsome boy strong.

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Speaker 2: Short after photos of like the young freshman coming in, then shows him at the end of the year, there's sophomore year and the progress picks and it's like it gets you fired up.

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Speaker 4: I love that And the eccentric talk is just a piece of nostalgia for me because it brings me back to Vanderbilt. We had that whole summer hitting that French eccentric with Rex Fresh and Buddy. That stuff gets you strong as shit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll have the heels lifted four or five seconds Centric. Yes, just the stuff that you know he's in the weeds on it. You think in your mind, like based on the surface level nobs that we have in the strength game, you're like these basketball players, they're they're on something special out there.

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Speaker 4: Get me juiced uff, Maybe want to get under a bar right now, French Centric. Yeah, but there's some exciting fandel is the best place to bet on the tournament. Just visit FanDuel dot com slash bustin to sign up to America's number one sportsbook today and back your dog of the day. There is a frantic finger Frantic fingers just going towards the TV. There first panicked and I just started reading. So thank you boys, thank you, thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: And the first thing, because you know, people at the top of this episode, if they're watching on YouTube right now, by the way, if you're listening on Spotify, Apple, all of a make sure you're following and subscribed on all channels. But if you're watching on YouTube, they saw a little special piece at the top of the episode. Bud Light.

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Speaker 4: They allowed us to kind of do it for a little bit because until we got a little big Ajack the ceason desist, right, So Ajax Turner, who is the regional brand for this area for National Tennessee, will just say that's the regional brand for and azer Bush. They when we first started getting sponsors was whether it was like, you know, a real estate company or this company. We started get Ajax Turner. We're like, yo, this is serious. So they allowed us to use the b for the tier ones. You're listening to the story. You already know how the story goes. We ended up getting a little bit bigger. Yep, we end up not having Ajax Turner as much anymore. I can't remember why that just did.

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Speaker 2: Get it repainted. But we had to get it repainted to busting because when we when we would do the Fall tour go to colleges, they're always like, hey, could we cover up the Budwiser the alcohol stuff. You don't know what colleges are in bed where. So it's like, hey, it's just kind of easier a the free shout out where we just have Budweiser all over them, just their rolling advertisement for them. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, dude, it's I'm fired up. I'm fired up with the idea of of bud Light, the amount of access that they're going to have for us, the amount of talent they have, it's postponed the boys shame like they have a bunch of people that were allowed to live in their ecosystem a little bit. They have so many great partnerships that are gonna allow us to give you people better content. So it's just it seems like a match made in heaven.

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Speaker 2: Could you imagine if we are on a bud Light Super Bowl commercial? I mean I have.

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Speaker 4: I've told you we're on the plane to Montana. Yeah, and I told you my idea that.

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Speaker 2: That could be amazing. It's a great idea.

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Speaker 4: Like do we say it out loud? Part of me feels like yes, because when it happens and we're not in it, it's like, well, we had that idea first. It kind of goes back to Jason Kelsey doing the Christmas album.

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Speaker 2: We had that idea first. You remember that idea? Yeah, yeah, dude making Christmas album. We had the idea. We had that idea.

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Speaker 4: We had that idea, and then it kind of got shell for a second. Fast forward one year later, Jason Kelsey's going platinum on a Christmas album.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great album. It's a great album, phenomenal, But.

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Speaker 4: I want to say the idea go ahead, man, Christmas time, snow is falling in Nashville, Tennessee Broadway, a staple of Nashville where all the bach bachelotte parties want to go to are there enjoying their time. The road's empty, it's vacant even. And now you see a group of Clydesdales marching down with a wagon being pulled by yours truly and Will Compton right next to him. People are looking in awe seeing these beautiful horses walking down the street. Beers are flying from the wagon. They're being caught by post molone by Shane Gillis, by bachelorette parties, by bachelor parties, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning. Hell, even Cooper Manning's over there grabbing himself.

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Speaker 2: Off a but light. Yeah, okay, so he's out. He's out with the cartel.

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Speaker 4: Snow's on the ground and as you see the wagon pulling away, it just says, tis the season of giving bud light.

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Speaker 2: That's the commercial.

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Speaker 4: No words, all action, none needed, facial expressions only.

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 4: You hear a distant ho ho ho, and then a shooting?

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Speaker 2: Is that a shooting?

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Speaker 1: Start?

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Speaker 4: No, it's Christmas time. You hear some jingles in the background, that's all you hear. How beautiful is that?

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Speaker 2: So something to think about.

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Speaker 4: Listening right now, They've got to listen the launch and if they're the partners they claim to be, we're gonna be in the commercial, right, those are the things that are gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: Here's the d So. Yeah, really exciting stuff happened. We'll bust with the boys. We do.

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Speaker 4: We just got back from Montana. Yeah, I mean that was an incredible experience. Went to hunt coyotes. Didn't see one. Actually that's a lie. I saw one.

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Speaker 2: I saw we saw coyotes, we didn't get one. That'll be broken down. It looks like Jack's ready to question the Jack's ready to say something. You got Stevenelli he has. We have an awesome interview with him coming up where we talk about the episode. We have a vail coming out as well. But yeah, the boys were in Montana for basically two and a half days, ripping content, hitting the shooting range, skin and beavers, skin and musk trapping. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Marshes, just walking through those motherfuckers. It is insane.

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Speaker 2: Four mile hikes. It's just crazy.

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Speaker 4: Steve was walking around Marshes like it was no big deal. Will Double Needs shot himself, but a lot of rock.

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Speaker 2: Yeahah, oh yeah, when I was in the water.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, it got Will just kind of set on the sidelights for a little bit because Steve was walking around. I don't want to get too much into it, but seems like you guys want to come with me, and I'm like a little kid, like, yeah, dad, I'll come and.

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Speaker 1: Will you go?

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Speaker 4: Say, you guys got it smart too, because I'm telling steven story. I'm telling Steve a story that I know he doesn't give two ships about. And all of a sudden, I'm up to my crotch in marsh, just realizing there's a there's a sunken little hole there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So these men move different, they walked different than us, but they were great as always.

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Speaker 7: Jackie had a question, if you guys are going to talk about in the podcast hunting and everything, then we I don't want to give anything away, but I've heard rumors swirling. Someone I don't know who it is missed a shot on a coyote pretty close.

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Speaker 2: But there's a great story behind it. I don't know anything. I'm just curious.

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Speaker 7: So I will be listening because we weren't there as you you guys in JP so I'm excited, and Mitch was saying, how this podcast is amazing.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 2: Editing it. Yeah, dude, he's a he's a stud man, very fascinating individual, like getting his cutting, his teeth in through writing and everything else. You can just hear it.

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Speaker 8: When he's storytelling, he's like, he's literally like one of the most interesting man in the world to me, because like we're not privy to that type of world, like we're just sports athletes, dumb athletes. And then you go out here and then he's like talking about like, oh you hear a bird. Yep, that's this one just right over there. Just crazy, and it's like the people like that their brains can operate like that that quickly, like oh, I know exactly what bird that is, I know exactly where it.

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Speaker 4: Is, how old it is, Yeah, if it's if it's trying to mate what the call is, Like, this dude's one step away animal.

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Speaker 6: It's so cool. It is so cool.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, step The cool thing about Steve too is that he'll sit there and you'll just be standing at a random spot and he'll point to something and then tell you a story and then give you historical background and factual evidence on that little spot right there. You had one of the marsh there was one over by the otters. But all that I'll get into the podcast. It's an incredible podcast. I think you guys are gonna love.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's awesome. But should we jump back to marsa Manus Oh in a little bit. Absolutely. So.

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Speaker 4: You've got a spicy little parlor that's plus eight o eight right now.

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Speaker 2: Right now, right now. I don't know what I'm gonna add to it. I will let the people know what my parlay is gonna be. But I'm gonna have a very exciting futures parlay that we'll be getting in on. And I am a massive fan. I did. I started doing it last year. I'm a massive fan when we are streaming, getting us involved with which team's gonna score first at ten? First to ten?

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Speaker 4: Yeah do So. This will be Thursday and Friday will be my first time truly digesting the March Madness Tournament, diving in, putting the bets in all that. So like, I'm ready to fly by the seat of my pants. Yeah, I'm ready to listen to the boys, listen to the chat.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what are we doing? Where are we going? I'm willing to throw away all of the money because it's like, right when tip off happens, the excitement is at its peak. It's like it's here, March madness, the tournament is starting today. What are we doing all day long? And you're so high when that first tip off happens and you're kind of looking around, You're like, when's the second game coming? Like, oh, that one will be in like an hour or two. And you're kind of just sitting there watching the game and you got you got your first bet out there, whether it's you know, one team to cover. And I'm sitting there like, okay, so we got we gotta wait two full halves for one of these things to shoo full hat. And I'm sitting there with with Ryan Whitney and I want to say Dave got in on it too, and Big Cat. But we started doing these first to ten bets. I'm like, hey, how do we get the juices flowing even faster? Like when another tip off happens, Like, what's a live bet that we can hit, so it be like first to ten just to give you like a little juice up front so you're not like waiting for the end of every game. To see if it's gonna you know, you pick the over, the under, the spread, whatever it is. Like, the live bets in college basketball is a lot of fun. And like when we were back in we'd go to state basketball in Missouri, we'd go up to Columbia at MISSOO and we'd sit there and we'd have like rolls of quarters and dollars and just bet like throughout the game, like if guy's gonna hit the free throw, and who's gonna score and he's gonna be a three, and you just be betting. So the live bets during March Madness is a lot of fun.

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Speaker 4: The way I envisioned the live bets is like the movie Focus with Will Smith when he's at the super Bowl and he's just sitting there with that really rich Asian guy going back and forth the suspense in that movie. How I was feeling just being a third part of it. Yeah, I can't wait to be the first party individual and I hope to God i'm Will Smith in the situation. Yeah, yeah, winning hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars.

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Speaker 9: There's so much going on in the first round, second round that there really is no way to prep other than have your phone charged, yeah, and your money ready.

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Speaker 4: Money, and just be ready. Yeah, have that thing on the fandle where you have to it sits there, and be like, hey, just so you know, you've been on here for an hour and a half.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. It gives you a little updates.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like you've been on here for twenty five minutes, just making sure you're okay. Yeah yeah, and then back in yeah yeah.

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Speaker 10: Dude, and don't uh, don't forget. I know we'll jump into like the full bracket. But those first playing games arena yard today eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, yes, I forget right now. So okay in games, yes, you laid it on some action there, just to start spicing it up a little bit.

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Speaker 10: And we can talk about those if we want. Kind of flex our muscles, show them.

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Speaker 2: We do know what we're talking about. We don't though, we don't, and we don't like, hey, let's flex our muscles on Alabama on Alabama State in Saint Francis. I'm thinking, like, be fun to see for Saint Francis winning because Sant Francis County is where I grew up. So I'm just thinking like, right, oh, that's a Missouri Yeah, Okay, Yeah, Saint Francis County is in Missouri. Right, It's a it's like a like, hey, I'm rooting for this team. That's a name association, name association. That's what we're dealing with right here. By the way, if Mitch was not here, I would have thought we're rooting for a team in Baltampa. Okay, Okay, that's a mixture because I'm thinking, yeah, I know it's no, no, no, thank you, Mitch Mustache.

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Speaker 4: Mitch is different, man, he's saving this podcast because I'm sitting there like, yeah, fuck yeah, dude, Missouri, we're going hard for them.

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Speaker 9: There's one thing, one of these play playing games, if Texas wins, that'll be the fourteenth SEC team in the tournament, setting a new.

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Speaker 2: Which is nuts man crazy.

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Speaker 4: So we kind of want Texas to win because we need the SEC to have something right.

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Speaker 2: I think is like a blue blood.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but they have, yeah basketball Conference. We need them to step it up because you guys.

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Speaker 2: Are it is apparently the first time and I don't know how long that if North Carolina loses, it'll be their first time not making the tournament since god knows how long.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's some rumblings right there that they are. They're being sneaky boys, apparently in bed with somebody in the committee that yeah, the Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick's working his magic in the basketball court already.

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 9: Just just based on the two names, who you taking in this game? American or Mount Saint Mary's American?

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Speaker 2: American? Bud light?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but are you talking about just like the name of the school.

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Speaker 9: Which I said, just based off these.

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Speaker 4: Two days and we heard Jers match. I hope they might caught it.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Mount Saint Mary's is kind of like they've been making some runs their wagons.

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Speaker 6: They're a bit of a wagon. They had to like a couple of years America yet though.

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Speaker 4: Mount Saint Marys hasn't ran into America yet, fact checking me on that.

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Speaker 2: Don't know. I they played, Who's going to play in the play Houston. Mount Saint Mary's a bit of a wagon. I do have right now. As of right now, I have six circled upsets, which I don't know if you consider a nine upsetting an eight like an upset. But they are underdogs. But here's what I have. I have Creton over Louisville, New Mexico over Marquette ar in sOliver, Kansas, and I'm leaning like, hey, the SEC's got teams Arkansas over Kansas, Baylor over Mississippi State, VCU over b y U. I just saw the way VCU was fired up at the end of their tournament. I'm like, oh, let's I would love to see him make it a little bit of damage in the first round. And then McNeese shut up. It's mcneesyneezy over Clemson. Come all right, I noticed you didn't have my boys in there. That's nice. I thought about it, but I'm like, you know what, I can't because logically, it does seem like Michigan's in a tough spot with their draw based on the way everybody else has been talking.

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Speaker 4: Right, that five six, seven seed, Right, they're always in the play.

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Speaker 2: You see San Diego, But apparently you see San Diego is like a pretty good team, not just like they weren't fifteen straight.

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Speaker 7: And they're beast on defense. They're gonna be a tough twelve seed for you to play.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but let me ask you this, who have they played? You see it? Right? You see this, you see that, You see Los Angeles, Yeah, you see Encinitas, you see these.

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Speaker 6: You see Sacramento, you see Los Angeles as U c l A. Did you mean to say that?

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Speaker 2: I was just saying, like, you see, hey, mustache mintioned strikes again. You see Berkeley. Yeah, but can I see your little sheet request? Yeah, go ahead, it does have all the spreads on it as well. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So because Michigan don't know what I know. I know that Michigan won the Big Ten tournament. So like, shout at us once again, like Michigan. Well, you say what you want about my fandom about Michigan. People hate on Michigan. It's a good sports school.

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Speaker 2: It is. I don't think anybody disagrees. Okay, good but again and Yale after that, but fawl and then you got and the only you got Auburn possibly after that two and a half point favorites against U see San Diego and.

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Speaker 4: Diego tough spot, But smooth water Water has never made a skilled sailor. Oh there you go, hey, my boys, My boys are gonna be ready quick.

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Speaker 9: Little shout out to the hometown Lipscomb in the tournament.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's big time. Shout out Lipscomb. Shout out Vanderbilt, Vanderbilts in the boys do you guys, have you guys have some upsets that you like in Round one?

00:24:25
Speaker 10: I did just want to highlight one of yours, which was the Kansas Arkansas game. I've been watching Big twelve basketball, like pretty closely this year. I've watched it closer in years past. But I think Kansas is extremely overrated. I've seen them lose several in conference games. They started the year very highly ranked. They've you know, fallen out the top twenty five since, but extremely vulnerable Kansas team. So I actually really liked that Arkansas to beat Kansas in the first round. I love that pick.

00:25:00
Speaker 2: Do you have any other jack I know, you guys who are in the weeds more with college basketball.

00:25:06
Speaker 8: I feel like Drake Drake against Miszoo. I mean, just strictly looking just strictly looking at record. I mean, Drake is thirty and three and where's Missouri?

00:25:17
Speaker 2: See how I love that? Sometimes it's just like, hey, look.

00:25:19
Speaker 6: At the record to make a pick.

00:25:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, you like Drake Drake over Missouri. Correct, But again Miszoo's in the SEC for sure.

00:25:27
Speaker 8: But twenty two and eleven and thirty and three like Drake, say Drake? Like yeah, I feel like they they're they're low key, like not really a blue button blood, but they've been in the tournament sometimes and like they're kind of they're a little feisty.

00:25:42
Speaker 2: They got they get spicy. He's a fisty team. What commerce are they in?

00:25:46
Speaker 6: I want to say, like big Easter American sounds right?

00:25:49
Speaker 9: Yeah, Big East sounds more right. Yeah, I kind of like your VCU pick. I did watch the end of that game.

00:25:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're fired up.

00:25:57
Speaker 9: Hit the free throws kind of sets in. Don't going to the tournament.

00:26:02
Speaker 2: I don't know.

00:26:02
Speaker 9: Momentum, it'll be pretty sweet. There's a lot March.

00:26:06
Speaker 2: Anything, Yeah, anything can happened. I can't wait to see what storylines like come of it. It's like last year that cat who was dropping threes from Oakland, remember him just going nuts, like the peak of his life, looking like JJ Reddick throughout all of March madness. I mean he was, I mean he was.

00:26:21
Speaker 9: We only know one basketball player, it's.

00:26:25
Speaker 2: Basketball player Will sees now is JJ Reddick, But draining threes like that, Like, bro, it was iconic watching this dude work Oakland and they were like were they Yeah.

00:26:34
Speaker 9: They were a very low seed if you had to pick out of any of the one seeds to get upset. Who do you think it would be to get upset?

00:26:42
Speaker 2: Let me see what I got here. Auburn had a tough draw on in the SEC tournament. Now they they had a.

00:26:51
Speaker 9: Their last like four games haven't gone as well as they wanted him to. So that's either a sports Yeah. I mean, it's either a good thing to have a bad taste in your mouth or it's bad.

00:27:03
Speaker 4: From the middle of that Ohio State type run, right, whether to start putting points over it.

00:27:07
Speaker 2: Was it's Auburn Houston duke in Florida. Yeah, and I think out of those I have again no clue, and I'm a square. I have all number ones in the fund for Auburn.

00:27:22
Speaker 10: One thing I do know about Auburn is they're on average, they're one of the oldest teams in the ncuble A. They have a lot of fifty or six year guys. They're very athletic, they're really strong.

00:27:32
Speaker 2: Number one.

00:27:33
Speaker 10: But some of those playing teams, those sixteenth seed playing teams, those are the ones to watch because they get that first win under their belt and then they go up against that one seed. They're not playing cold. They're coming in a little hot because they just played recently.

00:27:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the bye week with the experience that you were talking about with Auburn. If I had any I would say either Houston or Duke. Why because I know that Alabama can be very good and I know that Wisconsin can get really spicy.

00:28:04
Speaker 6: Cooper flag to hurt his questionable really like really bad ankle sprain. I think it was in the semi final.

00:28:10
Speaker 1: M hm.

00:28:11
Speaker 6: So he going to come in hobbled. He's like the bad he's like overall.

00:28:15
Speaker 2: But they're talking about him just missing this first maybe second round around here, right, But if they're without if they're without that cat for it would be against Arizona or Oregan. But Baylor, Yeah, Baylor, You're right, Baylor, come on, don't be playing Baylor hurt, banged up. And then I think Carston too because on the other side you got Tennessee, uh, Kentucky, and I never sleep on Illinois. You know, Will Compton does not does note. That's a good football team right there. That's a good that's a good ball. Good name. Think this is going to be a well coached ball team. Yeah, Bill marsh mad See, I like Florida. Here's how impressionable. I am.

00:29:02
Speaker 4: I don't know very much about basketball at all. We get out of the car this morning at a specific spot. We won't say where because we're shooting a little custom mad Garrett as he goes to the game Florida versus Alabama, and Florida went in a flow state mode where they would just walk up on a three and drain him over and over and over again, to the point where Geez telling me he's at first mad, and now he's like, I gotta just watch greatness even though they're beating up on my own team. So now I just feel like, all right, Florida, Florida's gonna be And.

00:29:29
Speaker 2: They got some big white boys. Yes, they down low and they're very good. They're very active, they're long, like yeah, Florida seems very athletically every position.

00:29:37
Speaker 9: And they are physical. Yeah, those boys down low can ball.

00:29:41
Speaker 4: I heard another physical team in the Southwest region area, Arizona. The boys can get physical in there. I was talking to a couple of homers from there. I don't just sleep on Arizona. Yeah, Arizona boys are out there, obviously extremely biased. Were like, don't be surprised when they beat.

00:29:57
Speaker 2: Ue it's just like sure. And before we came on the bus, He's like, if we can knock off Duke, we could win the whole thing.

00:30:03
Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, yeah, Baylor, Yeah, you understand why I'm a little confused, right, based on how many teams you have. But Baylor is his first his origins, your origin, right, his origin, that's what I want to call it.

00:30:17
Speaker 10: Went to and graduated from Baylor University.

00:30:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, the door, let's see. Oh yeah, here's a question. I'll go grab it. Okay, thank you, buddy. Okay, we'll wait on the question. Jack. How are you feeling about Tennessee. I don't know, man.

00:30:35
Speaker 7: We didn't have a great final conclusion in that c C tournament, but it's always good we got I think we are in a really good spot of the bracket. Bracket.

00:30:43
Speaker 2: I do like it.

00:30:44
Speaker 7: But the whole problem with Tennessee is we are like, well, maybe to the elite A and then we lose. So hopefully Rick Barnes can get it done. I think Rick Barnes is gonna leave after this year. He might retire because we have like six of our seniors that are leaving, so I think he's.

00:31:00
Speaker 10: Gonna kind of fade out with them.

00:31:01
Speaker 6: But I don't know.

00:31:03
Speaker 7: Rick Barnes one of the you know, most elite college basketball coaches that's been out there, and he's been in the game for almost three decades, but he plays a very older style of basketball in like a very evolved league.

00:31:14
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

00:31:16
Speaker 7: I hope we go deep, but you just never know. This is March, so anything could happen.

00:31:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, And another storyline I enjoy too is Kentucky just because of that that meme that that old buddy gave us. You know, he had the little he made the face what do they call it? Yeah, the mean mug. Yeah he been. He was mean mug and hardcore.

00:31:41
Speaker 7: I see you guys both have taken Kentucky to beat Tennessee.

00:31:47
Speaker 2: How'd you see mine?

00:31:48
Speaker 7: I know, I see him?

00:31:51
Speaker 2: And you want to know why? Sure, the Kentucky Tennessee game was the last one I kind of filled out in the sweet sixteen and I'm looking around and I'm realizing, like how much of a square I kind of am picking all the Like my upsets are like in the first round, none early in the second. And so when I was looking at Tennessee Kentucky, I'm looking Okay, three seeds versus two seed. I kind of looked at you guys. You guys playing this year. It seems like Kentucky got you one time and we got them. You're right right recently most recently, so I was thinking, like the toss up, right, thinking the toss up is like, Okay, I'm just gonna go Kentucky here to get a three seed. Yeah, like, let me let me this is a game instead of one sees across the board. I also have and this I was gonna ask you, sir, because I know you're big into the Big twelve. Texas Tech is also like one of your teams. They're a three seed. I have them beating Saint John in the Sweet sixteen, which I'd love to see Saint John go far because of Rick Patino. I love like following all their stuff, that the content that they've been creating with him. But it does seem like Texas Tech could be a bit of a wagon.

00:32:48
Speaker 10: To to sell Tech. Uh, they are unreal beyond the three point line.

00:32:55
Speaker 2: Uh.

00:32:56
Speaker 10: They actually knocked out Baylor in the Big Twelve tournament by making twelve threes in the first eight minutes of the game. When they get hot, they get really really hot, but their most important piece, and correct me if I'm wrong.

00:33:09
Speaker 2: I believe it's JT.

00:33:10
Speaker 10: Toppin.

00:33:11
Speaker 2: He's Big twelve Player of the year.

00:33:14
Speaker 10: He's the he is the Texas Tech big man and that dude underneath the basket that goes across the board. By the way, if you are similar to me, where you are an absolute casual and college groups, a great way to break down if a team has the ability to go far is either one are they hot from beyond the three point mark? Or two do they have a nasty big man that no one can guard? And that's how a lot of these schools that are the higher seeds will make deep runs because they have one big, nasty dude. N C State was a perfect example right last year.

00:33:53
Speaker 2: That was last year in Purdue Perdue.

00:33:56
Speaker 10: If you just have one big nasty that is got soft hands by the hoop, it doesn't matter who they're playing, they can be anyone because if that team's missing shots, you know he's getting the rebound on defense, and then offensively, if his team's missing, it's okay. He's gonna get some offensive rebounds, he's gonna get some fouls. They're better players are gonna start fouling out. That's how you win basketball games in a tournament because you have all the nerves of the tournament teams don't usually shoot as well as they do in the regular season, So that's a great way to kind of break it down. If you're a casual to this, you want to do a bit more research on your gambling, go look up some of these teams from these eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen seeds. See if they have a big man. If they have a big man that's putting up crazy numbers all year, that's a team to choose. And that's my opinion. And you know that way they say, like be safe, don't bet too much, responsible, responsible, responsibly. I'm a podcast producer, right response.

00:34:55
Speaker 4: This is not real medical advice here. Yeah, you can't prescribe these types of things, is what, all?

00:35:00
Speaker 2: Right? I like that. I love looking at the fellas, looking at the big fellows, the offensive line.

00:35:05
Speaker 4: Of the best, the trenches, the trench warfare.

00:35:10
Speaker 2: I love that. I love it. I love the conversation too, because we're falling a lot of circles. That's how everybody tries to operate.

00:35:18
Speaker 4: I love that people essentially We're operating like a one big group chat right now because there's a bunch of people that are coming to watch our sports podcast.

00:35:25
Speaker 2: But oh, Will and Taylor will have answers. When we sit here, We're like, we don't. I think people they know that we don't. We don't have answers. Yeah, we are shocked. We are going to shock the world. Yeah.

00:35:35
Speaker 4: I think there's a huge opportunity on Thursday Friday on these streams for people to make some good money, good money going to this.

00:35:42
Speaker 2: I might bring my unit all the way down to ten dollars because I won my dog of the Day bet with tailing you in Michigan. Let's go shout out the boys. Turn ten dollars into twenty nine. I might just operate off percentages than the actual dollar amount.

00:35:57
Speaker 4: That's a smart That might be a smart move, and you can have more fun. It's like you kind of walk into a casino and you're like, I'm gonna I'm gonna win it all. Then you spend all your money in the first five minutes, you're like, uh.

00:36:05
Speaker 2: And then the thing too with uh with March madness is there's a lot of opportunity. So you could if you get in the hole and you're just losing left and right, and you're just like, all right, here's where we get back on it. Next thing you know, you're like, okay, I'm down quite a bit of mone. It sounds like you're speaking from experience. Last year I was I. I had a very bad percentage. Pretty much all of us did. It was not good. We were believed keeping well, keeping your same unit. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You start flying it around first to ten parlay this. Yeah, the cat from Oakland is he gonna make this many threes. He's like, you start getting into the weeds. I'm that you got thirteen bets laying out there for like one game. You're like, how did I get here? Yeah? Or you're like chasing, like you know, if you're down, like a live bet, you going at halftime and live bet something else and you're like, this one's not turning over.

00:36:47
Speaker 4: Something about being with a group of guys and live betting like each well with football, every possession, what's gonna happen in this position? But all kind of teamed up doing our own thing because it's fun to put the parlays the other before the game. But once the game starts, like those things have to either fold or unfold the way they do with the live betting. It's like you're getting action right then and there, so automatic endorphin spike left and right. Yeah, at the end of the day, you go home, you're exhausted.

00:37:14
Speaker 2: What is and I know one thing that the that's gonna be on the FanDuel Sportsbook twos. There is going to be like this. I don't know what it's called. We'd have to dive into what the exact verbiage is, but kind of like a mulligan bet. Yeah, if you have a pick like say you have say you have Alabama, Yeah, bet back. I think that's what it's called.

00:37:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if it's called that. We just know it's a mulligan.

00:37:34
Speaker 2: It's a so so Mitch. The difference is like you could have let's just say Alabama minus four and a half and or let's just say Alabama minus eighteen and a half. Like, say it's in the first round whatever their big spread is against whoever they're playing, and there's like twenty seconds left in the game and they're only up seven, so you know they're not going to cover eighteen and a half. You can go in and get you a mulligan bet and get a bet back like before the game ends, as long as you're doing it on live bet. Yeah, bet back token.

00:38:01
Speaker 4: A bet back token turns your bet into a bonus bet if you decide to back out.

00:38:05
Speaker 2: During the game.

00:38:06
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're not gonna get that money back into your bank account. But I'll be like, hey, you want to save it here.

00:38:11
Speaker 2: That's fine.

00:38:11
Speaker 4: We'll just put this in a little nest over here. Whenever you're ready start dishing that boy out again.

00:38:15
Speaker 9: Yeah, but you got to be active. You gotta be ready and paying attention for.

00:38:18
Speaker 2: You got to be great attention. You got to be dialed in. Yeah, you gotta be dial a lot of good tokens, a lot of good coins and promos going on.

00:38:24
Speaker 4: Because that's a great note by Garrett too, because when you get into streams and you're watching games, a lot of times you can fall victim to what's happening on the bird, what's happening on Instagram. When it comes to these first couple of rounds. If you're gonahit that bet back token, you gotta be dialed. You gotta know what's going on. Good note, gee, that's a great note.

00:38:40
Speaker 9: I mean, we're gonna have multiple split screens going, so you're gonna.

00:38:45
Speaker 2: Be we'll be excited, locked and locked.

00:38:48
Speaker 9: Maybe we assigned somebody to like, hey, keep an eye on this one. Notify everybody, right, it's either eject or hammering.

00:38:55
Speaker 2: I'm excited for the first kind of rival bet that happens.

00:38:59
Speaker 6: Well, we might have a while, but.

00:39:01
Speaker 2: Just somebody has like a different like say, uh, Michigan makes it to Auburn. Who's gonna what rivalry is that I'm saying, like, if I'm sitting there, bet and I'll probably bet all yeah, yeah, yeah, I can understand that. I'm that brings us back to the uh I lost my thought. But you can also.

00:39:26
Speaker 9: You could join you can join forces in that moment though, and do the we.

00:39:29
Speaker 2: Are you gonna say my feud against Michigan, Well you're.

00:39:31
Speaker 4: I was gonna bring it up. Yeah, you're feud against Michigan. But it was also like the teams, the upsets that you don't know why that work cannot come to me, but the upsets. I was surprised it wasn't in your first round because I know you've got a little deal with Michigan. I don't have a deal with Michigan, and we talked about it walking it feels like I don't know, and I don't know. I don't want to put words in your mouth. Maybe it's a jealousy thing. Maybe it's like.

00:39:52
Speaker 2: A no, no, no, no, it's best friend. Say when you say jealousy, that's where the feud starts to spark in my body.

00:39:59
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be a few.

00:40:00
Speaker 2: You get it. I know. See now you're doing it literally, you're doing the thing that creates some feud. I don't have a few with Michigan.

00:40:06
Speaker 4: I understand why you would be upset based on how the last couple of years have gone.

00:40:10
Speaker 2: But I'm not upset. I'm not upset about So.

00:40:13
Speaker 4: You're gonna look at me with that tone of voice, and you're gonna look at me and say, I'm not upset.

00:40:16
Speaker 2: I'm ready to I'm ready to take down you see San Diego, Like if they lose, I'm gonna I'm gonna think to myself, damn it, this is the one that I know logically, like everybody was kind of saying, this is gonna be the tough one.

00:40:29
Speaker 6: I think we need to take a time out.

00:40:32
Speaker 4: Gets too heated, get a bow time out and oh a bow time You're gonna do a bow time out time? Yeah, let's let's cool the jets for a second and the main was gonna start coming out of it.

00:40:43
Speaker 2: Let me uh yeah, we got a bow time out. By the way, Mitch, nice surprise for you. We got something I know tailor's about to talk about it here in a second, but some bowberry waffles. We would love to see if you can take these things down. How big of a bite you can take out with that large mouth you have.

00:40:57
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00:42:00
Speaker 2: Boj Angle says Friendships. The boy saw, the boy saw get this lucy out of my mouth. The boy saw that there was some there was some you know, some heat coming potential heat. Yeah, like we can't cage little Cajun, Little Cajun. Now, we gotta simmer it down with that little blueberry. I will say that it is good.

00:42:20
Speaker 4: If you want to share, let me get little bit to you that you got. See that little bite right there, that's the one that when your friend asked, hey, can I get a bite? You want to take that one first? Will was not smart enough to do that though.

00:42:31
Speaker 2: Right now, because the Cajun plays incredible by itself, but you put it with that drizzle, that bowberry drizzle and just sandwich between a couple of waffles. I shoot what they're trying to do? That bite? You're the big biech it all. I think you can take it down all one bite, don't you think?

00:42:53
Speaker 6: No?

00:42:55
Speaker 2: Try? Well, you do have to try. For boys. Everybody at home watching right now, they're like, is mit gonna take this down? Or not thinking about your family watching like they do every Tuesday night.

00:43:07
Speaker 8: I'm thinking about my grandparents, think about game game hip. I'm so sweet they're gonna. I'm there's no way I can do this whole thing, my dad, you or do not.

00:43:20
Speaker 2: There is no try. You got it. Just shove it in there, shove it in there. Okay, all right, that's a good bite. Though. That's a good bite. Now get back to work. So I do. I don't hate Michigan. We're back time in. Yeah, time in time in.

00:43:38
Speaker 1: I don't know.

00:43:39
Speaker 4: It's it's very I mean a couple of weeks ago you were sitting there saying we're back to hating Michigan. I'm back to the downfall and back to this, back to that.

00:43:46
Speaker 2: It's because you say some spicy stuff that starts to spark that few. What do friends do? We gotta get spicy up in here. I understand. I understand again.

00:43:52
Speaker 4: We just came off of you're so focused on the bowberry glaze. Dude, I'm focused on cage and chicken at here. You know, I'm trying to get a little spicy on this bus. And it's very clear to me that you're just hating. And I know I can be a pastoring than with I hating. Come on, now, you said I can't wait to watch Michigan's downfall a multi that's because you pass.

00:44:10
Speaker 2: And this is after.

00:44:12
Speaker 4: This is after I said I want Nebraska to do better than they did this past year.

00:44:17
Speaker 2: I know I can recall the conversation. Oh you can, so you remember being a little nasty. The problem is I want you to be so on board because I don't want to surround myself with mediocre thinking. Greatness hates mediocrity, and mediocrity hates greatness. And when you say, hey, six and whatever, seven and six whatever, that that game up seven to five, that's where it's like, that's mediocre thinking. And I don't want that that to me. I don't want that part of my life that is one that's thinking. Right there, here's my boss, you're my boy. So when you say that, that's where professor starts like, all right, right, and you know and you know that about me? You know that about what do you mean? That's what fires me up. I know this.

00:44:54
Speaker 4: I know Will Compton this. I know when Will Compton goes in the off season, when he played ten full years, in the end of that he focused on getting one percent better. Being good consistently makes you great. So when mische or when Nebraska goes seven and five, if they go seven and five, you are being better every single year. You're being good good, get it, which will lead to eventually being great.

00:45:15
Speaker 2: Okay, So I got a scenario. Okay, so let tell me you're coming off. You're coming off. It's March and we're talking about.

00:45:21
Speaker 4: Football right the rackets here, boys, But let's style it in this and if you're bouncing back off of your ACL, yeah, you just like, Hey, I just want to start all year long, put on some good tape.

00:45:32
Speaker 2: Just get better than I ended last year. Because I'm coming off an ACL. Are you thinking I'm going after I'm going after all of it. I'm going after all pro super Bowl, Pro Bowl.

00:45:42
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going after what I was already achieving.

00:45:45
Speaker 2: Is what you're just achieve it. The year before that, the year.

00:45:47
Speaker 4: Before that, five games, zero sacks, no pressure to A was playing the best game football ever.

00:45:52
Speaker 2: Great.

00:45:52
Speaker 4: So when I tore my ACL, my thought process was get back to what you were doing, get back to Taylor Lawan.

00:46:00
Speaker 2: And if I was just like, hey, that's kind of those expectations are kind of crazy, Like you're coming off a pretty a major surgery, like let's just let's just have a good year of starting every game. Yeah, but that's not I would be. I'd be You'd be like, bro, you're my boy, Like we need to be going after this thing together.

00:46:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, we and we go after it. And I'm saying we went after it, right, So okay, if that's if that's the train of thought you're using, then let's go after another bowl game. But you know what I'm saying that you're I'm saying I was at my expectation for myself and how I was playing was up here. So no matter what I'm thinking, AC, let me buy see what happens. And I'm like, how do we get back to where we were? And so if we want to use your logic. It's like, all right, well, we got the monkey off our back of hitting a bowl game for the first time since twenty fifteen.

00:46:44
Speaker 2: Let's go right back to just hitting a bull game. No, I want these motherfuckers Capital one bull. I want these boys fucking seven and five.

00:46:52
Speaker 4: I want the dogs out of our brains. Are differ I'm trying we operate differently. You're we're saying the same thing.

00:46:58
Speaker 2: No difference is you're saying national champions No, no, no, Well yeah, like that, that's all we're chasing. Dude, I might need another bow time out.

00:47:07
Speaker 10: Hey, the analogy doesn't really hit the same because Taylor was the greatness that he's trying to achieve.

00:47:15
Speaker 2: That was the year.

00:47:16
Speaker 10: Before he tore his a cl What you're wanting Nebraska to do is like, hey, Taylor, your best years were when you were in second or third grade. Like it's been a minute, Like let's get back to that.

00:47:29
Speaker 4: And it's like, let's get back to six seventh grade before we start looking at those grades.

00:47:32
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like it's been a minute.

00:47:34
Speaker 6: It's been a.

00:47:35
Speaker 2: Minute, and it's okay, listen, listen, Nebraska fans.

00:47:37
Speaker 4: You guys are being way too rational in things. Lin Louie just talked to you for a minute. Nebraska fans, first off, I want to I want you to know I'm on your side. I love Big Red, I love Lincoln. Whenever I go on to Lincoln, the camaraderie, the hospitality people being around you, guys are incredible, and I got to witness you, guys Donkey stomp to call Hi out of buffs who are a massive rival of you, guys. I am on your side. When I say seven and five, I'm not being like, oh, a little poor Nebraska. I'm saying seven and five, like, yes, dude, let's get better. Let's just get better than the year before, right, because if we go six and six, we're like, ah, dude, we're the same. I love Matt Ruhle, I love Royola. I love that he's taking and he's literally trying to do exactly what Patrick Mahomes doing, because why Kobe Bryant did it for Michael Jordan, Why can't Dylan Roola do that.

00:48:24
Speaker 2: For Patrick Mahomes.

00:48:25
Speaker 4: We just want to be better every single year, and seven and five says you were better than the year prior, So yes, you're gonna have the will comptence out there and say no to your bust. But when it doesn't happen, it's like, okay, well we disappointed it, but we went seven and five like we're better, and next year's gonna be eating four better and better and better and better. That's what we want every single year. And I do want to tell little story REQUI.

00:48:46
Speaker 2: You're a casual. You're a casual, and that's okay.

00:48:48
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a casual of my friend's team. Yes, yeahs I am.

00:48:51
Speaker 2: But I also give me you see San Diego in the first round, dude.

00:48:57
Speaker 4: And also you want to talk about ball real quick? You guys want to get rock hard, rock fucking hard watching some blocking go pull up. Late twenty nineteen, Tennessee Titans offensive line. This weekend again, we're gonna do a little camping situation. The weather's didn't permit, so we went to the main cave and I set up a couple of blow up mattresses. But then, you know, you know how kids are, it's always a war at bedtime. So one of my kids, who seems the wife, I sleep in the man cave of my youngest daughter, and I start seeing Andrew Whitworth and I are going back and forth about how like he sent me the tweet he put on Will Compton before he even tweeted it, like just so you know, I'm about to put your boys head on a stake, and hey, it's all good, don't worry about it. I know my boy's got thick skin. Then all of a sudden, who is the other center for? I can't believe his name is Eric Wood? Eric Wood post that out of nowhere. So I start thinking to myself, like it would be an absolute shame. It would be a horrible, horrible shame if offensive linemen around the years of twenty thirteen to twenty twenty started just posting their blocking videos Rogers Saffold twenty nineteen Raiders clips of them blowing talking. Will comes in. So I actually go and I found a couple of clips of me and Will when we went at it Nebraska, when you try to throw a punch at me after I brought you the sidelines, Raiders, when when I walked you out and we got a seven average.

00:50:12
Speaker 2: You guys average two yards.

00:50:14
Speaker 4: I'm watching I'm watching YouTube videos on my phone, like eleven pm on Saturday night, of just these couple of things and then I just start self sucking a little bit, and I go to like the twenty nineteen highlights, and I start watching these five men just put on a fucking clinic of blocking. It was so beautiful, dude, It's like the good old times, the good old days.

00:50:36
Speaker 2: You sit back there. I'm watching b.

00:50:38
Speaker 4: Blocks with Roger Saffold and Taylor. I'm watching man Reaches by Jack Conklin. I'm watching Aces by Josh Klein and Ben Jones. Boy, dude, I might be one of the greatest offensive the most underrated, greatest offensive lines that have ever walked this earth.

00:50:52
Speaker 2: It was so beautiful to see.

00:50:53
Speaker 4: So when I tear my ac I'm trying to get back to what I was, what we're trying, what we ended up being Nebraska. We don't want to go back to what we work because we haven't been there twenty fifteen. So we want to this decade, the twenties, let's get better every year, and then by the thirties.

00:51:09
Speaker 2: We're fighting it, baby, We're fighting it.

00:51:12
Speaker 10: I do have I do have a science experiment that I would love to implement this.

00:51:19
Speaker 2: That's why I'll mess with you on a real level. What do you mean you know I don't gotta go ahead.

00:51:26
Speaker 4: Sure, the streets right.

00:51:29
Speaker 10: Now, the streets are saying that the Compton Curse is a very real thing the street. It's all over Twitter.

00:51:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen that.

00:51:36
Speaker 10: It's all over Twitter.

00:51:37
Speaker 2: I can vouch for that.

00:51:38
Speaker 10: So I think we go to some kind of place like Lids or whatever. We get some basketball jerseys for sir Will. We haven't put some on cheer for that team in March madness during the game, and see if the Compton curse really is real. Let's put it to the test.

00:51:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm done to do that to me. I just think you get your lid bloodied over and over and over. You just got to keep coming back because one day it's gonna shake you legit.

00:52:06
Speaker 4: Willis home Willis Homer Simpson when he decided to start boxing, just takes punches and punches. Eventually, eventually that person's gonna wear themselves out. They're so exhaust hitting Will.

00:52:15
Speaker 2: In the face. He just won't get knocked out.

00:52:17
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, it's hard to be the man that refuses to I don't think that works. Sure, I mean, we can try it, but I don't think I think Will's heart truly has to be in something for the curse to come alive if the curse is real, which I don't believe it is.

00:52:27
Speaker 10: It's even it's even been with some of these bets lately. If he if he posts the bet on Twitter, it loses if he doesn't post it on Twitter, and then he'll he'll post this winning and be like, hey, yo, look what I want. Because he wasn't gassing it up before the game, right, you need to.

00:52:43
Speaker 2: Go what was that like?

00:52:44
Speaker 4: Like we called him McPherson up for that, right because he would hit and he would post the winners. Like that's maybe where you need to go. You need to go with that, Like, don't promote your picks, just say I've got picks. I'll let you know how it goes, and then you post the winners, right.

00:52:59
Speaker 2: Because Jack always talking about these winners. He's always hitting on it, and dude.

00:53:02
Speaker 4: It's always on the phone. I specifically remember us, like we're driving.

00:53:08
Speaker 7: All time, gambling stats. We can and do this if we really want to.

00:53:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, if you if you guys were to go toe to toe, I assume you'd be prosperous. However, at the point we're making and I remember us driving through uh, Chattanooga and all of us are sitting there on the border and being like, Okay, what parlays are we going to put in? And there was a good long conversation that took place. I can't remember what game I think was in Georgia.

00:53:31
Speaker 1: You ever going to?

00:53:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, Georgia and.

00:53:32
Speaker 4: South Carolina, and everybody's got an opinion about what parlays and we all dial in our parlays and we go to the game, we leave, we get back and Jack's posting.

00:53:41
Speaker 2: Parlays that hit parlays did it?

00:53:44
Speaker 4: So I think that's where they that's where they hate kind of comes is like we see Jay, you maybe have a beautiful mind. You get that ray man of sports betting, and you trying to get better harboring all the wins for yourself, dude, just feeding betting.

00:53:56
Speaker 7: I haven't done a ton of betting since football, and I like to take this time to like do a little just race. So yeah, soul searching, And I cannot wait for Thursday because I'm gonna be dialing it up in a big way. And so just so it's out there, I will be posting all of my bets before tip off at least an hour, so at least an hour at least an hour of five seconds before tip. But yeah, I don't want to rehash something bad. I will be taking U see San Diego as my upset and has nothing to do against Michigan. But I look at all the upsets constantly and I can't find one that I love that's like a twelve verse four twelve verse five. So that's wrong at right now?

00:54:41
Speaker 2: Jack, can I say something?

00:54:42
Speaker 4: Yeah, good Man's big and has nothing to do with.

00:54:46
Speaker 2: This is my first time dive in. I can hope the Amazing Blue do well.

00:54:48
Speaker 4: But I don't know enough about basketball to you know, plant my flag in the round and be like where and winks, X Y and Z. I can do that with football. It's hard for me me basketball. I'm watching truly as a fan and just hoping for the best.

00:54:59
Speaker 7: It's it's gonna be awesome that there was a moment we all, I think experience in elementary and middle school or even into high school where that Thursday and Friday where they put on all the games at lunch. At least they did it in our high school.

00:55:11
Speaker 2: And you have those teachers that are just loving it, and it's sports teachers.

00:55:15
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's basically yeah, it's basically like a free two days.

00:55:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that.

00:55:20
Speaker 7: Hopefully we got a couple high schoolers listening, and they're maybe listening on Thursday, like about to go into these first rounds, and I just hope they're getting fired up, thinking, Man, I don't even have to focus today. So God, I'm so excited.

00:55:32
Speaker 2: For Thursday economics class. He would do that shout out yeah, and they love it, dude, I love so fun. I love it. It's gonna be exciting. I can't wait. It's gonna be a fun. Little time update with busting. When's the merch store dropping? So we have an update with the tornadoes and the rain and everything else. We didn't get the merch that got to the shop on time, correct, So I believe we're pushing the store drop. You were gonna push it a week, push it a week. We'll push it a week.

00:56:03
Speaker 9: But good news is we have almost fifteen hundred people signed up, So shout.

00:56:07
Speaker 2: Out to you guys.

00:56:09
Speaker 9: And if we get to two thousand, do we want to do some giveaways?

00:56:12
Speaker 2: H we're getting the two thousand, yea, we're getting two thousand, so yes, give me yeah, definitely one of the promise giveaways. That is what you're saying. Yeah, I'm brainstorm and then yeah we'll get we'll get in the think tank. Yeah, yeah, I think goodways. But but if you're listening right now, go to BWTB dot com and sign up dot com and sign up, and uh, you'll be the first to know when the merch drops. And I think there's gonna be a discount.

00:56:35
Speaker 4: Code man discount for the first twenty four to twenty.

00:56:37
Speaker 2: Four hours, yeah, which will be big. But yeah, if we hit up, if we get these, if we get numbers up to absolutely we should give away merch to the.

00:56:43
Speaker 4: Tier ones and there's gonna be uh. I mean, I've seen the merch. She's done a fantastic job. There's some new stuff, there's some og stuff, Like it's exciting, it's exciting.

00:56:54
Speaker 2: What's about to happen?

00:56:54
Speaker 4: Yeah, that one thing we were texting about last.

00:56:57
Speaker 2: Night, whispers of the bow tie coming back, bow ties coming back.

00:57:01
Speaker 4: We got sweatsuits, yeah, travel suits, travel suits for real. And I saw that, I like, I scrolled through it pretty quick last night and I got to that bottom and I saw that sweatsuit and I was like, oh my god, let's go the bow tie though, and the bee it's back, just kidding, and.

00:57:21
Speaker 2: Best sellers will be back too.

00:57:22
Speaker 6: Yeah.

00:57:22
Speaker 10: I picture all of us, well not all of us, but everybody. That's like going on a spring to your trip in the airport, matching sweatsuits. Yeah, just walking through the terminal. That'll be hot. But yeah, I'm down.

00:57:33
Speaker 2: It'll be hot. It'll be hot.

00:57:34
Speaker 10: They what team is that?

00:57:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, people are looking at the squad be like, that's not a team we have. Yeah, he actually look like a basketball team. We got all the high Taylor.

00:57:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I feel like in basketball, I'm like normal, if you're like a.

00:57:48
Speaker 9: Point guard six, you are like a point guard.

00:57:51
Speaker 4: Though, I'm like, yeah, it's one in the n b A. I mean, I mean I feel like on the high school set, no easy buckets around me.

00:58:02
Speaker 2: Hell what pool basketball?

00:58:04
Speaker 4: Well you already know how that goes. I'm talking about high school basketball. You need someone to own the paint, buddy, I can nile though some.

00:58:10
Speaker 2: Bows in the paint.

00:58:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not afraid to get a little dirty.

00:58:13
Speaker 9: But yeah, shout out to all the people that have signed up already. That's awesome.

00:58:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's nuts. Let's let's bump that up to two thousand.

00:58:21
Speaker 4: Pump to five thousand, Holy Ship brask expectations on that one. But I love I'll get behind that.

00:58:30
Speaker 10: If we hit five thousand. What would you give away?

00:58:33
Speaker 4: A jar of will conference sweat, dude from the sauna. That's what we need to give a jar will sweat. I'll get it myself. We have to get we gotta get it. We gotta get to five.

00:58:43
Speaker 2: Giveaway Jersey have some raided ones in the closet. Still, what about your sweat? I'll give away a sweat.

00:58:49
Speaker 4: Okay, we put in a little yeah, little Mason jar maybe yeah, Mason tres a lot of sweat.

00:58:54
Speaker 2: Well, I'm talking about them. A little eaty beaty.

00:58:56
Speaker 4: Ones, little shotglass of sweat. You can maybe meet and do a little necklace for somebody, be like, oh, what's on your what's on your neck?

00:59:02
Speaker 2: There? Oh? Nothing? Hard work? Yeah, that's what that is. I mean speaking hard work. Did you see my uh you see my throwback video last night? No? Come on, man, what's your whole neck? Like?

00:59:15
Speaker 6: You know?

00:59:15
Speaker 4: I pull it up because I might have seen it, but I don't.

00:59:18
Speaker 2: Things going viral right now? Okay? Which one is it? Me? Wrestling at ten years old. Okay, I did see that this morning, and I am a pit bull. Look at the grainy film, bro Cody. For whatever reasons, just reliving the youth days back home. You gotta be in the got Yeah, he got a VC art to work, so he had this stuff up on the screen.

00:59:44
Speaker 6: Which are you bill?

00:59:46
Speaker 2: He's the one in the blue yeah Navy. Yeah, he put his little ass day go to the Yeah, here we go. Now we go set up. Look at your boy in the back. Look at you're right there staying up right there. Your shoulders are wild. This a fake cut. Go into a cradle. So usually when you take the diamond position, because you know when you uh in wrestling, you'll either get top or bottom. If you're on top, you like get around their stomach.

01:00:13
Speaker 4: Do you want to queen? Move this stuff so you can show me.

01:00:15
Speaker 2: No, no, no, take sure, take a minute. But you get around that. You get around the stomach. You know, you place it on the elbow, rep slowly run the belly button, and right when it touches when the whistle blows. But I'm going diamond like, Hey, I'm gonna diamond cut him like I'm gonna put my hands on his back and I'm gonna let him up, give him a point because I know he can't take me on my feet. Go Diamond, I'm on the side, and instead of letting him up, I just go for that cradle, just heading aside and crank him up. God damn, I understood most of that. I'm watching that, and I told Cody, I was like, I can't believe that kid never won State. I'm watching him like he has it in him. Sounds like he didn't have the drive. You try to quit in high school. Well, I quit in sixth grade and didn't come back until my parents starting to ground me in high school, which is just nuts. His wrestling is a different that's a that's a different animal game. It's a different world. Bro. Is there a piece of you that wishes you had a little call flywer? I do no, But that's like, yeah, you said a little bit of call fire. This is a little bit Yeah, yeah, I see it.

01:01:18
Speaker 1: You always got a.

01:01:18
Speaker 2: Little bit of call flower. I tried skipping school when I got this car flower. Yeah, that's we came acting acting all beat out, like I just wasn't feeling it. Had some car flyer, A little blood coming from the ear. How cool do you feel they drain it? No, because it didn't get puffing up like Cody's gotten his drink, because he's got call fliers, like Cody was an actual real word, Cody's You don't mess with Cody. Yeah.

01:01:44
Speaker 4: You see Cody at a bar and he's poking in the chest. You let that poke happen.

01:01:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, Coddy, that's when you pull aside. You're like, buddy, what are you doing? Like, we're just trying to have a good time out of you don't got to look at everybody thinking they're trying to fight.

01:01:54
Speaker 4: His version of a good time is you know that goes that.

01:01:58
Speaker 10: It's just there's no really he's down in thirty eight and he's staring everybody down.

01:02:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, buddy, we're on vacation.

01:02:04
Speaker 4: There are guys you go and you hang out if you're you're at the house pre gaming with the boys, just like, yeah, we're have a good time. He's all smiles and then they walk through the bar door and it's like a trance comes over there.

01:02:12
Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought, I.

01:02:16
Speaker 4: Yes, gat gonna bring up Severed because it sounded like that's what happened.

01:02:20
Speaker 2: Severn season finale this week. I am so down the rabbit hole on every theory that is out there. I follow the Severns fan club on x I've been checking out everything, any message board that I can. I can fill my braind with severance, and I have no clue what's gonna happen or what's going on. We gotta be careful.

01:02:39
Speaker 9: Jack hasn't watched yet.

01:02:40
Speaker 2: You haven't watched Jack. He's a Knocksville. Yeah, no wedding all weekend.

01:02:45
Speaker 7: So I got back last night.

01:02:46
Speaker 2: And you didn't watch it.

01:02:48
Speaker 7: When you got that, I started watching it in five minutes. I fell asleep, but you after It's on the to do list tonight.

01:02:56
Speaker 2: Bro, Jane, all right, should I bus We're gonna do this? He doesn't. He does a little mom what is that noise? He's like, I wish you'd take them roll And she's like cutting this little egg and You're like, dude, this dude's a little psycho. Bro, you're not listening.

01:03:13
Speaker 10: Are end on the mic?

01:03:14
Speaker 2: You guys were in the middle of a podcast. Gart started to whisper the things.

01:03:18
Speaker 4: Go ahead, hey, so, or when she's at her desk.

01:03:21
Speaker 2: You can talk. You have to talk about I was just playing into them.

01:03:24
Speaker 9: Or when she's at her desk looking at the little code yeah, and he walks in.

01:03:29
Speaker 2: My helly, She's like, what the fu? Yeah, bro, I don't know what's gonna happen this week, but I am so locked the last scene.

01:03:37
Speaker 10: I'm telling you, something's going on with the sister.

01:03:39
Speaker 2: Something's going on with the sister, Mark sister something.

01:03:42
Speaker 1: You know.

01:03:42
Speaker 2: When she pulled up in Colebell's like she's one of James, like the the Jame guy is kind of like this epsteinish figure. It feels like this elite Well I'm just saying, I feel like there's so many like calls to the things that have happened like that happened in the world. It's like, uh, mil Check him turning against the system. Everybody else using big words. Miltcheck's not for whatever reason, you gotta talk dumber, like some racial ties going on, and he's just like the man in the system. Milcheck's gonna turn Yeah.

01:04:08
Speaker 9: And we did get one of our og boys back on our side, who Dylan, And I'm.

01:04:15
Speaker 2: Off dealing with Hey, he's he's got to prove it.

01:04:19
Speaker 1: He's go to prove it. Deal.

01:04:20
Speaker 2: But he's such a pussy dude. If you're hitting severed but in you and you're seeing your wife in that in the in the room. It's like, why is the real life dude? Why is your audi getting upset that she's like having dates on the inside with your severed mind. It's like you could have some fun with that. I mean they're like, hey, can we hug and kiss? I'm looking at my wife like, hey, I would need you to. We'd have to get down in this little private room. Yeah, and then go home and talk about it. Like I feel like like that would be It's me, it's my brain, you know what I mean. And he's mad and he walks out because he feels like she's cheating on him with him.

01:04:55
Speaker 9: Yeah, because Audi dealing doesn't get Hose.

01:04:58
Speaker 2: Well, he's a he's a punk at home dude. He's not putting in the real work.

01:05:02
Speaker 10: He also milkchick. That's milkshake, Taylor. You've you've been hearing milkshake around the office, same guy.

01:05:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I understand. And milkchick getting hit with that work life balance.

01:05:13
Speaker 4: Jackson over here is sitting like a flash bang just went off in his ear, Like we we wrap it up.

01:05:19
Speaker 2: No, almost, go ahead and finish your thoughts I was just in his ear or some ship like that. Right now, Mark telling Milchick about like he's like, man, it's just work, man, Like I'm just gonna take today, and it's like it's hitting miltcheck that he sacrifices absolutely everything for this company that continues to be little him and pat him on the head and say, hey, get in line, Miltchick's gonna flip, and it's it's all starting to come to.

01:05:44
Speaker 9: Yeah, he already flipped on the one guy that was like, that's your job.

01:05:48
Speaker 2: Devour feculence.

01:05:50
Speaker 9: What does that mean, Taylor.

01:05:53
Speaker 2: Eat something ship feculence. Yeah, eat shippecespecs. Mister Drummond, Dude, I love.

01:06:03
Speaker 9: The edit that you sitting in last night, Chirm Dude.

01:06:07
Speaker 4: You know what I love about you, the fucking intentional words you put in sometimes, like I know when you like something, I always will know when you really truly enjoy something.

01:06:17
Speaker 2: I love this show that it's so amazing.

01:06:21
Speaker 4: It's like one of my favorite qualities of yours is the passion in your voice when you truly into something.

01:06:26
Speaker 2: Thanks that is season finale. This week's in Miss Wong, the way they kind of treated her tonight. Just go to your thing and you see that everybody's like this. These are raw moments of she's actually a child. The way they're kind of passing around. You're going to take this shuttle and you can see the little bit of fear she has of just being young. Dude. Again, the show is is all time and the Little Nuggets It's again. The Severn's fan club followed on on on x is follow me, follow me at Underscore, Will Compton both Instagram x TikTok. All right, we're back. Oh speaking to TikTok. We might as well just shut out the boys follow us. Oh are we really? Dude? Well, let me ask you a question.

01:07:09
Speaker 4: First off, I know kind of said this while we was talking love these que cards slippery thet I've kind of they've been fumbling.

01:07:16
Speaker 2: It was good method. Like we've read the Bojangles, we gotta throw them on the ground. Yeah see, I'm not doing that. I'm all, I'm all mixed up when I want to read the bow Jangles. But let me ask you a question.

01:07:24
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01:08:13
Speaker 2: Thanks man, you know I've been doing a little bit. Is I've actually.

01:08:18
Speaker 4: Well yeah, I've actually I start reading the Q cards before the show. So my brain's like, you've done this before, buddy, Like you just keep on keeping on. You've seen these words, you've been a part of these words. Don't let them get you terrible. And I haven't done a fucking thing for my to get the lasik or whatever it needs.

01:08:34
Speaker 6: To be Donebility, you know what the problem is?

01:08:37
Speaker 4: Done with that one too, and that one. You know what the problem is is, I'm gonna do the lay Sick and then my wife sends me a bunch of horror stories on lay sick and now I'm scared of lay Sick.

01:08:46
Speaker 2: I'm still gonna do it, but I'm a little I'm a little afraid now.

01:08:50
Speaker 4: And then something about like being on the podcast and just kind of maybe it doesn't go right.

01:08:55
Speaker 6: Comes to doing that.

01:08:57
Speaker 2: Okay, it mustache coming at my wife.

01:09:01
Speaker 8: No, Taylor's awesome, but it's like, hey, you know, I'm gonna try it. I'm trying to do this. Why are you gonna make me scared of doing it?

01:09:05
Speaker 4: But my wife is a nervous version of me, which I need because if my wife was like me, I would be we'd be dead.

01:09:13
Speaker 2: We would essentially be dead. It wouldn't be overdone with that one too. You know who is seeing the field? Well, who's seen the field? Well the Cincinnati Bengals. You know, before we go to Cincinnati Bengals, I want to say something about TV shows. Okay, okay, Florid.

01:09:28
Speaker 4: I just sat here for fifteen minutes and I just heard gibberish Season four of Shorsy it's out and I'm almost all the way through. Jack, have you looked into it at all?

01:09:37
Speaker 7: I've seen the first episode and a HALFSD episode two, and then like five minutes of the.

01:09:42
Speaker 2: Third Big transition season. Yeah, big transition.

01:09:45
Speaker 4: It's all about Shorzy. He's getting away from hockey for the first time. He's anybody who's ever played sports, whether a high school, college or in the professional league. Eventually you got to hang it up.

01:09:54
Speaker 2: Now.

01:09:54
Speaker 4: Shories is in this nice ger not nice career, this tough, greer area where he's trying to figure out what's next for me. That's gonna fil the void that one of what I once was. And it's a fight boys.

01:10:03
Speaker 2: Is he listening to Busting with the Boys? I hope so.

01:10:06
Speaker 4: Jered Keyser needs to be on this bus. He needs it, and they could just be him sitting there because we'll be like, hey, have you seen the show?

01:10:12
Speaker 2: And I was like, no, Okay, get off, we need to I'm done to listen to this show though, you know what I mean. I'm done to sit there like yourself in severance and talk through it. Uh yeah, I feel like I was.

01:10:22
Speaker 4: We did it one time and I sat over there and that was fun. And now it's become like a weekly thing for you guys, and I know next week I'll sit on this show again. Well you guys break down the finale and I have to hear Jack have tonightus again.

01:10:32
Speaker 2: In his ear? You know what it is too. All you need is that one comment that says love the severance talk. Yeah, just one, for sure.

01:10:39
Speaker 4: We can have forty that's say stop at the severance talk. But if one guy is like love the Severance talk, it's not going anywhere.

01:10:45
Speaker 2: Yep, it's not going anywhere. But that's all I say.

01:10:48
Speaker 9: I think I'm gonna dive in once we get through March Madness and Severance is over. So I'm starting at season one.

01:10:54
Speaker 2: People don't know how big that is. That's huge.

01:10:57
Speaker 4: It's been a year and a half of us talking to Garret about get let's go, Yeah, getting on shore, Because buddy, I'm just telling you that's you will love that show. If I know my g baby the way I know my g baby, G Baby's gonna love that show, You're gonna love it.

01:11:12
Speaker 9: I can't wait.

01:11:13
Speaker 4: It sounds like you can March Madness seven and then after that.

01:11:17
Speaker 9: I can wait.

01:11:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, he can wait, but not for very long. Yeah, it's gotta be in this year, this calendar year, right now. But go ahead, talk football. Will, Bengals are doing great. I was just gonna say, I'm talking about lazy.

01:11:28
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, where can we find a little transition to talks NFL talk?

01:11:31
Speaker 4: You know who's seeing the field Will? Yeah, the Cincinnati Bengals. I don't think they're seeing the field that well.

01:11:36
Speaker 2: I think they're starting to.

01:11:38
Speaker 4: I think they understand they have key pieces they have to keep in the locker room. I think Jamar, Chase T Higgins, Joe Burrow, those guys all deserve the contracts they have.

01:11:47
Speaker 7: If you go to our Twitter or Instagram, you can pull up a graphic that our amazing graphic designer Cooper made, but shows how much money that LSU.

01:11:56
Speaker 4: Team six and sixty six million dollars.

01:11:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, it hasn't guaranteed.

01:12:00
Speaker 4: Derek Stanley Junior to signed a three year, sixty million, three year years. Okay, so three year, ninety million dollar deal then. But that Yeah, that team, that team just in a numbers value is probably proving to be the greatest team of all time, like that was it twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen LSU team. That is insane. But let me get back on my Bengals take for just a one more second. I love the fact that they're keeping these these pillars on their team. However, your team wasn't very good last year from a record standpoint. Your defense was not very good last year. Joe Burrow as amazing as he was, and it probably had the numbers to win the MVP. They couldn't get in the playoffs. They had themselves in a situation where they did not control their own destiny in December. So now you got to get better. You're keeping the pieces you need, but you're also letting Trey Hendrickson walk away, who is a stud for your team. He's an all pro.

01:12:49
Speaker 2: Type of guy.

01:12:49
Speaker 4: He's got to get to the quarterback on a consistent basis. He is now a disgruntled employee. He wants to go somewhere else he probably will, and now you have a worse defense. The hub retired, Yeah Hubbard, the Cincinnati kid.

01:13:03
Speaker 2: Who had a great highlight like walk away from the game video. Do you see it. Phenomenal stuff.

01:13:08
Speaker 4: Little mini JJ Watt, Yeah, walking around there with a little biotical arm. But I just think, yeah, you got you gotta add pieces. I looked in they added like some fifth year DT who was a fifth round pick from the Packers. Other than that, not a whole lot of movement and free agency for their defensive on the defensive side of the ball.

01:13:25
Speaker 2: Which I get.

01:13:26
Speaker 4: I get you want to keep those pieces, but boys, we gotta we gotta strengthen that defense up if you want to be if you want your your defense to be on the same level as your offense. Your offense is incredible. And by the way, there's like one hundred and fifty million dollars on the receivers in the quarterback and then I think their whole offensive line and is like at like sixty nine million. We need to spruce those numbers up a little bit too.

01:13:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they still have holes. But if you look at last year, like, yeah, they had a very bad defense. To me, I don't think you can go anywhere butt up, even though you're losing these perennial players like Trey and Sam Hubbard, because with Trey, it's like you can only pay so many guys that at a number there that they're going to be happy about. And this offense, the way that they were performing, like even though they didn't make the playoffs, they were still like on that back end of the season, they were like a playoff contending team. They were for they were zero and four on like walk off field goals. So again it just comes down to a last second kick with a brutal defense. Again they have they had guys on that defense, but as a unit they were very bad. And so now they know that they can just get to work on getting young and getting good on defense because they were as good as they were on offense last year. And both of these wide receivers are playing when they're kind of disgruntled about what their future is with the team that they want to commit to them, now they know this team is committed to them. Joe Burrows happy because there was a rumor a week or two ago about, hey, if Bengals aren't doing the right thing, Joe be might be asked to trade and who knows if that was even real or not. But now that they've solidified these pieces on offense, they know that they have to get better on defense, and I think, you know, you start trying to find these cats in the middle tier, lower tier free agency that can help your team out play good defensive football, and then you're gonna have to You're gonna have to win in the draft. But I still think that they're set up in a very good position to grow off the year that they had last year, now that they got their receivers happy. And again they did lose these key pieces on defense, but defense was a question mark for them anyway. Like if signing is signing Trey Back going to make your defense better, Like, yeah, if he's not on the team, like you get a little worse there. But again, you already know you have a lot to fix defensively anyway. You can't just pay a guy like Trey try to get to some number that they might compromise on. And he's still a little discrinnled and pissed off kind of doing his own thing on the defensive front, just thinking about sacks. Yeah, you need some guys to play team defense on the Bengals because it's not hey, we're not gonna lean on you. You know, you want the room thinking, hey, let's lean on us to win games. But you just need you need guys playing team defense in Cincinnati, because that offense is what's gonna win you these games because you got a killer under center, and you got these weapons now on the outside. And it's like I think about the time, it's like them signing Jamar Chase and t Higgins. It like gets back to the years of when you know terrell O and Jinotcho Sinco were on the same team, or you had these these supers our receivers, Like they have two contracts out that are in like the top five wide receivers. A very happy offense. Yeah, you got to get a little bit better on the offensive line. You of course have to pour in defensively, but I think that they've established like the cornerstones now, the cornerstones that were already there are now extremely happy that they're getting paid. So I think it's just gonna build good juju going into this year.

01:16:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're definitely the offensive set of the ball. There's there's good juju. And you brot up a good point. This might be my offensive bias, but you don't necessarily need to break off.

01:16:26
Speaker 2: Your your defense. You just need eleven guys playing as one.

01:16:29
Speaker 4: Everyone has to understand on what they do how they do it edge wall swarms as you need eleven Willie seeds with a better tam.

01:16:37
Speaker 2: It's all you need.

01:16:38
Speaker 4: You need eleven guys with a will Compton mentality and a little bit more of a tan from an athletic ability standpoint, and you're rolling.

01:16:44
Speaker 2: Yeah right there your top.

01:16:47
Speaker 4: You need a couple of guys that can rush the passer because you can't be putting corners in safeties. Will you see corners and safeties and positions to be covering all day long? Yeah, you got to get to the quarterback. You can do that with exotic blitzes and stuff, but you much they have four guys that can powerhouse their way to a quarterback.

01:17:02
Speaker 2: Now you know a team that needs to make a move or it needs their move to happen is the Steelers Rogers in my opinion, because you're looking at a really good AFC North, especially if the Steelers get Aaron Rodgers. You got the Ravens, the Bengals, the Steelers. Of course the Browns with the Browns, they're not gonna browns, are gonna browns.

01:17:22
Speaker 4: The Browns are gonna brown And I think it's I love these edge Rushers, these Max Crosby's, these Miles Garretts, these these guys no, no, no, these guys that are not uh, these guys that are like, I'm mad about where I'm at and then they get broke off. They're like, never wanted to leave. Actually, I love It's a game of chess. It's a beautiful game of chess. And I think that's awesome because that at the end of the day, we want our boys to get paid. Yeah, Miles Garrett needs to bring his big piece on this podcast. Yeah, and we need to show them that photo and be like is this real or is this Grays? Yeah, just Grace. Yeah, that would actually, well you think, what do you think of.

01:18:00
Speaker 2: The u the rumor or the headline with Aaron Rodgers and the Vikings.

01:18:07
Speaker 4: I don't know, it'd be cool for the story because he's then he's following the exact footsteps of Brett Farv. But it didn't work out that great for Brett Farv. I like I I like him in it, but I like like Aaron Rodgers.

01:18:21
Speaker 2: I feel like still has more.

01:18:23
Speaker 4: I believe he has more train in the tires than people believe he has. I think he's still that guy and he needs a good room. And I think the Steelers make so much sense to me to have DK Metcalf Pickens, George Pickens and Buddy Justin Jefferson. I understand O'Connell. If it's me, I would want to write my own story a little bit differently. It's just I think it's just because the Brett Farr progression. I love Tomlin too. I think I love I love to fit for the stairs. Obviously he's gonna do what he wants. And there are the rumors that Aaron Rodgers is kind of just waiting on the vikings. But I think you got JJ sitting there.

01:18:58
Speaker 2: Uh.

01:18:58
Speaker 4: Pat Mahomes comes out and says, JJ mcarthy has the best arm he's seen it in forever. He can make all the throws, all the things, and it's like.

01:19:05
Speaker 2: You have those weapons.

01:19:06
Speaker 4: It's a great learning curve for a guy like JJ McCarthy, who's it'll be his first year starting. He saw Sam Darnold how the success he did. He's got the guys you just said as weapons to dish it out to and allow them to make the plays to build his confidence, like why not why not go with this kid?

01:19:20
Speaker 2: Liss? They know something that we don't know. That's probably what's taking so long for the Vikings to get back, because it is. It's like, if you're Aaron Rodgers, I think the Vikings would be the better fit over these teams that are trying to get Aaron Rodgers because again, you're going into an offense that goes with O'Connell, Wes Phillips, you got Brian Flores as a decoordinator. Like, that's a defense that's going to continue to just get better. They're already very aggressive, Like you're going in a situation that's prime for a run the Steelers, Like, yeah, they've gotten better, but again, who knows how much. If you're Aaron Rodgers looking at it, and you're looking at the Steelers and the Vikings, I just think the Vikings would be a better situation to go into.

01:19:58
Speaker 4: And it's at the end of the world, it might be a better situation for JJ if Aaron comes in. I never got to learn from a vet that's been there for a while. Hopefully Aaron takes a leadership role and be like, all right, I'll bring this guy along with me.

01:20:11
Speaker 2: Let's see how it goes. But yeah, I honestly think this is the last year for Aaron. I mean very well could be. Yeah, you were talking about just Tredd on the tire. I'm thinking what maybe two years max. But this is a this is a one year all in situation for whichever team's trying to get him. Yeah, yea, So maybe it could benefit JJ, but I'm sure that's probably what's taking the Viking so long as they're having all of these conversations to see, like what kind of move that they could make for Aaron Rodgers. He'll be turning what forty two at the end of this year. Yeah, ripping, he's getting up there, but he can still spin it.

01:20:44
Speaker 4: He can spin it, and he's got he's got some savviness about him. Yeah, he's got about him.

01:20:50
Speaker 2: I get you. You're you're talking about Tomlin, who's much more of a defensive minded guy. Yeah, but Arthur Smith, like that would be a great combination. And then you look at the Vikings. You got Phillips and got O'Connell, like that is an offensive mentality right there to where they're just level two. They're just operating level two and three. And again you got these cats that have been that have played for those coaches and been in the system. You got a dog and Justin Jefferson as you're one. Yeah you do have pickens and DK, but you know, j Justin JJ is about that life in ball Addison, Aaron Jones, I mean you have some weapons studs. Yeah, I'm I'm with you.

01:21:27
Speaker 4: I just see like everyone's conversation revolves around Aaron Rodgers, not as talent, a little bit of better of his age, but mostly it's about all the extracurriculars that go on around him. Maybe be able to talk about the distraction of the Pat McAfee show and all these things. I've never seen a coach like Tomlin handle those type of situations. You go back to Leveon Bell, Antonio Brown, like having those types guys, the Pouncy Brothers, Alejandra Villanoeva, all these unique and different personalities under one roof. It seems like Tomlin is a guy that can always keep the boat level in those situations. And I think that's why he would mess show well with Aaron Rodgers and get the best a just allowing him to do the X, Y and Z things, let him run the playbook he wants to run. I know I've seen Arthur Smith sit down with Ryan Tannehill before games and Tannehill bluntly going, I don't want this play called. I want this play call makes you call this on that, And you listen to those conversations and you go into the game and you realize the situations that Ryan was talking about with Smith are now being called and we're having success from that.

01:22:22
Speaker 2: Yeah.

01:22:22
Speaker 4: So Arthur does a great job of collaborating with his quarterbacks and just allowing things to kind of come to him, which is awesome.

01:22:29
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I like it.

01:22:31
Speaker 4: I mean, good options all around. Yeah, but the Minnesota can't be.

01:22:36
Speaker 2: You want to hit that real quick. Yeah, let's shut out the boy Burt Kreisch.

01:22:39
Speaker 4: To talk about Burt Kreusher once again, I want to remind everybody that he put up three hundred and twenty five pounds. The bet was three hundred and twenty and so now we must promote him one thing. But once again we have another ad reay with two things on it. Las Vegas Show Double Down three twenty one and three twenty two at Resorts World Theater, Las Vegas. Tickets on sale at Burt Burt Burt dot com and his new special Luckie Only on Netflix. March eighteenth.

01:23:02
Speaker 2: That is today, folks. Yeah, shout out the boy bird, shout out the boy.

01:23:08
Speaker 10: Bad.

01:23:09
Speaker 2: Better throw, better throw.

01:23:12
Speaker 4: So yeah, dude, a lot of exciting things, a lot of exciting things.

01:23:17
Speaker 2: March, most draft is coming. Mitch's mustache, Mitch's mustache. He is a different man. We need to get a photo of Jared up to Jared shaved his face, and I think the audience needs to see Jared so he.

01:23:28
Speaker 4: Looks like, what's the what's that kid's movie? The Spy Kids with the thumbs? Yeah, yep, that's uh, that's Jared.

01:23:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's down bad right now. The head part, Yeah, he did.

01:23:45
Speaker 4: He did look wild and I was, you know, I was being nicer Jared. Oh yeah, sorry, you'll grow back whatever. Jared will walk through like, goddamn, see you don't.

01:23:53
Speaker 2: You don't look like a goon? Is that not Jared?

01:23:54
Speaker 7: Right?

01:23:54
Speaker 2: There? Just some glasses on it. Them boys are ripped? What a good movie? What a good movie?

01:24:05
Speaker 4: Is there anything else we want to talk about before we let these people listen to Stephen Ella.

01:24:08
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01:26:12
Speaker 4: On got on my phone and started looking up the greatest waymen in pop culture history, and I realized that the answer has been in.

01:26:18
Speaker 2: Front of me the whole time.

01:26:19
Speaker 4: Oh please, So my Tier three is going to go to Doug Glatt. Doug the thug Glatt the movie Goon. He is the greatest wingmen of all time.

01:26:32
Speaker 2: La Flem.

01:26:33
Speaker 4: He is a goal scoring hawk on the on the Highlanders, and he can he can shoot and score, but he's lost a little bit confidence after he took a big hit. Doug the thug Glat comes in and protects him, bringing his confidence back to a whole new level, willing to make the sacrifices physically so his boys can make the goals finessely. So I have to give Doug the thug Glatt my tier three when it comes to wingmen. My tier two could have easily been Tier one. By the way this is, this is like a one A one B for me is gonna go to Jeremy Gray wedding Crashers. That is Vince Vaughan's character, a man who has the moves he does, tells the jokes he does. He rambles on and lays on the sword for Owen Wilson John, his character John, while he's trying to court this woman over and over again and eventually finding love along the way. There's not a better wayman than that, except for my tier one. Now, my tier one is a real individual. I've seen so many times. This man close for his boys, whether it was college or high school or wherever. He's talked about it on Bad Friends podcast. My Tier one is myself. I am the greatest man all of all time.

01:27:45
Speaker 1: No Mooch.

01:27:46
Speaker 4: I've done work for mooch too. I've done work for all my boys. Dude, there's nothing about a shameless friend that's willing to walk over to anyone at any time and tell them, Hey, I'm here for you, but not just me. My boy's more here for you than anybody else could ever be in their entire life. Walk with me, talk with me, and I'm gonna bring you over to them. Have a couple of drinks, see where the night goes. At a high percentage too. That at a high percentage, not to mention. Also from a recruiting standpoint at the University of Michigan, I only lost one guy ever, all right, I only lost one guy in the recruiting pitch.

01:28:18
Speaker 2: So that's my tear.

01:28:18
Speaker 11: Talk manself to Tier one self glaze very.

01:28:29
Speaker 10: Safe week to do that with no JP on the bus that could have been.

01:28:33
Speaker 4: I thought about putting Patrick Starrs my honorable mention for JP as a tip of the Katha JP, I have some tears.

01:28:43
Speaker 2: I want to hear your word first.

01:28:47
Speaker 12: Solid, well done, hyphenated, hyphenated, big guys.

01:29:01
Speaker 2: Mhm, vain but good though, vain but in a good way. Yeah.

01:29:12
Speaker 4: Yeah, all big guys is a good comment. Gee, that's really that's detailed, that's thought out, big guys.

01:29:18
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out how to how to rate them, how to rate my three? Right now? I love them all. Take a moment, take a second, not too long, though, I think you have to. My tier three is going to be Vince Vaughan from Wedding Crashers. Wow.

01:29:42
Speaker 4: Sorry, well you think that's low, you have the floor we get we can break all that.

01:29:49
Speaker 2: You think that's low? Yeah, I mean vis Vaughan incredible waiting Crashers, the maneuvering he does, Yes, the boost talking out out you on my hair, just a tip, just for a second, just to see how it feels. I think. Uh, Vince Vaughn is my three, my two and man, I don't want to say this, but I'm gonna go with the boy. I'm gonna go with the boy Taylor, and he's right, like I have zero experience with him, but I you just you see the man work, and this is a guy you talk about no quit fight at the end if he were to get a challenge like that. I do think. I do think it is Taylor, Like Taylor, Taylor is up there. I mean, you're Tier two. And honestly, it pained me to hear you tell yourself tier one, because honestly I was about to put you there. Really, I was kind of helping you go first with the hope that a go ahead, go ahead.

01:30:52
Speaker 4: I'm all smiles right now to my cheeks hurt.

01:30:54
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, I think it's you. I think again a lot like Vince Vaughn, you know, very first pot I guess we did on OTP. Like my comparison for you, like personality wise and everything else was is Vince Vaughan out of like a wedding crasher's movie. And I think you operate on that kind of level. And I give you the nod because I have a personable relationship with you, So I give you the nod over Vince Vaughn and Vincy. If you're out there watching my Tier one's gonna be none other than Barney Stinson from How I Met Your Mother. I think Barney Stinson is yeah, have you met Ted. He's just he's a wordsmith. He's suited. He's like, let's suit up. He's got a theme for all of it. When you're stepping out, he's like, let's get let's get suited up, let's get suits on. He's got a closet full of them. And he's just That show How I Met Your Mother was It's probably my favorite sitcom. And I think we've done tier talk before on sitcoms, and I do believe How I Met Your Mother might have been my number one. But I love that show and I love the character of Barney Stinson and I think that guy is the number one wing man of the game. And if you ever had a night out or had the ability to have one with them, I think you it would be a memory that you never forget in your life. And so that's my tear talk.

01:32:05
Speaker 9: I'm watching How I Met Your Mother for the first time right now, season four, so I'm very happy. I know what you're talking about.

01:32:14
Speaker 2: How great is that show? Phenomenal? It's so good, a good show. Ted is a bitch though it. Yeah, I don't like how much. I think he's a little.

01:32:27
Speaker 4: He has his moments and in all the moments I'm thinking about in my head of him being a bitch I have actually done myself. But still it's watching it. It's like, God, damn it. Man, he's the vulnerable one, and you can be vulnerable, you can be you can be vulnerable yet dangerous. You can feel strong, you'd have a soft size, you can have all the things.

01:32:45
Speaker 2: It just shows, but then the side side characters aren't what they are unless ted is the way. You know what I mean? True? Well written, yeah, very well written.

01:32:53
Speaker 4: My one word, amazing, elite.

01:32:58
Speaker 2: Incredible, greatest you've ever done. Yeah, I have never had a better moment on this podcast.

01:33:04
Speaker 7: Hyphenated legend, wait for it, let's go Jack g G looked at me and he goes, wait for it, Darry, and then he asked the mic, I go, don't steal my So that's me and G's I guess tier two.

01:33:24
Speaker 9: That's my that's my hyphenated tier two.

01:33:29
Speaker 6: Damn good.

01:33:32
Speaker 2: The boys fuck not have been my favorite tear talking all the time, and that's you. Guys said that to him, thinking like, damn, that was a good teer talk, smiling and if I would have went first, I think you would have been the one really. Yeah, I just the double back you would add said kiss, because I think you got it.

01:33:53
Speaker 9: Man, I'm surprised you didn't put it like I.

01:33:55
Speaker 2: Just wanted to put a fictional character to in everybody, Like if you've watched How I Met Your Mother, everyone that Barney is only once Barney Stinton rolls off the tongue, it's gonna be.

01:34:06
Speaker 9: What's that Insprised you didn't dow Ryan Reynolds.

01:34:08
Speaker 2: And what like?

01:34:09
Speaker 9: Just in general?

01:34:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, the attention, but get away. Ryan Rods are kind of in a different It's a lot going on in the internet between Blake Laveling Ryan Reynolds.

01:34:20
Speaker 9: Oh really, should we dive into.

01:34:24
Speaker 2: Not the best? Yeah, not a good look for a boy, he continued.

01:34:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, can I see something without knowing nothing as something without knowing? I don't know any context at all about this. Yes, So I'm just gonna say something.

01:34:39
Speaker 2: I'm a fan of Brian Reynolds.

01:34:43
Speaker 4: Okay, that wasn't that was no, No, No, I wasn't gonna just regardless of what's happened, He's talented and like like stuff.

01:34:52
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you thought we were No, I didn't know that's what I was. Oh no, I just.

01:34:57
Speaker 4: Feel like a lot of times, like a lot of times when this this this stuff happens, people just toss you out to the side. Ryan, I want you to know I'm still a fan.

01:35:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, yo yo, yeah right yeah, probably a beautiful piece. Yeah, I'm fired up about that. To your talk. You know who just missed the cut and again zero ex Joeys. But you just assume based on the stories and everything else. Delaney.

01:35:21
Speaker 7: Oh.

01:35:23
Speaker 2: Honorable mention to Delaney Walker. Yeah, good call, because I was like, do I want to go, like, you know, do I want to have two characters fictional? Because I'm sitting there, I'm thinking about thinking about Taylor, I'm thinking about Delaney. I'm even thinking about my boy Logan log Yeah. Bro, Like he's just got this spirit about him. He'll approach anybody, he'll approach any group and being on Bachelor parties and everything else with him, like he's just got that spirit about him to where it you know, he's not the most intimidating, but he just he has a confidence that it doesn't you know what I mean, you know, you know what it's like you might you might eye up a table of gals or a group of couple and the boys, and I'm one of them. You kind of wanted to where you're little, you're nervous dances. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. Like I'm one of the more nervous guys. I'm not like that. I'm not like a tailor. I'm not like the guys. It's like they don't think nothing of it. They have the confidence, they have the bravado and everything else. I don't know if it was the teeth I had when I was young, to where there's just like a festering that happens where it's like, hey, you know, how are we gonna how are we gonna go approach this group? And there's just a guy in the group that just has seems to have the confidence in the all the confidence in the world that just that they you're like game strategizing with the fellas. And then there's this one that's like, oh, yeah, why why are we spending so much time talking about this?

01:36:32
Speaker 9: He's already at the take, he's at the table, like why you're talking?

01:36:35
Speaker 2: He's leroys. Yeah, and he's got the you know, he's got the ladies coming over to where you're mixing it up, you're talking and everything else, and Logan's got that. He's got that ability.

01:36:43
Speaker 4: Shout out logan, because you need a guy. Yeah, you need a guy that hits. And a lot of times the guys that are like the type of confidence, they're in it for themselves.

01:36:52
Speaker 2: They like to go in.

01:36:53
Speaker 4: They know what they're doing, they know what their mission is. Yeah, it's a it's a different kind of guy. It's like trying to you gotta push it off this. Hey, this is how are you? Everything's good? Boom, pass the ball, to pass the ball to your boys.

01:37:03
Speaker 2: And but that ball ultimately comes back around. I mean, we're we're very happily married, but.

01:37:10
Speaker 4: No, I'm sorry to process the ball back around thing here.

01:37:14
Speaker 2: Like, yes, the the vibe you give off, it ultimately works back in your favor because you're making it all happen.

01:37:18
Speaker 4: You're you're like the guy that's facilitator.

01:37:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's facilitating a little thing. And then you know, the ladies start talking to that gentleman because they have the ability, they have that approachable ability, you know what I mean. I feel it's like the guys that are that are like us, you can get in your own head about how your game and your strategy is going to be and it's ultimately it's like a paralysis by analysis. You're like overthinking it. With the guys who can approach and do everything else, they're making it about a purpose bigger than themselves. But at the end of the day, that one that one can win. I'm never more beautifully done than again. Like Rob, Yeah, and I was gonna.

01:37:52
Speaker 4: Make no because I don't I've never seen him really be a wingman. Like Rob is definitely one of those cats. Even in high school, like we would go to places and he's like, oh, I'm gonna go home and change real quick, and then he just would not ever come back out because you know, somebody would come over or something like that.

01:38:04
Speaker 2: And even now like I will, like.

01:38:07
Speaker 4: I remember specifically, like when my wife and I first met, I went and got pizza with Rob, my wife, Tilon, and one of Taylor's friends and Rob comes in. If we say what's up. I introduced them as the first time Tailor and this girl have met Rob. Rob goes somebody use the bathroom, we sit downtail and goes He's fucking hot, and I'm thinking I'm trying to court Tailing. So I'm like in this like interesting little like Okay, how do I navigate that world right now? Right? Because I brought you? But I realized this is what Rob Bogie's beach and you're the sand, you know, and that scares me a little bit. But Rob just has it about him. And it's not about Rob how like confident he is. It's the it's the laugh, it's the smile and the laugh and that beautiful head of hair that he has. He's just he has it. Mike Campanaro has it. Who else there's one camp.

01:38:57
Speaker 2: Will go camp. He's he's like a guy that will approach. Yeah, he's gotta to approach. But I feel like the honorable mention Mike men.

01:39:04
Speaker 4: But also is Mike working for the boy or is Mike working for Mike. That's why that's where the wingman think it's a little pulled apart right there, because I think Mike walks into the situation. He sees, he sees the field, he sees the entire thing. He's got no peripheral vision issues. He knows where he's going, he gets where he's going, and then he gets out of there.

01:39:22
Speaker 2: Like Mike.

01:39:22
Speaker 4: Mike's a ninja smoke type of guy. Like all of a sudden you'll see a dust and he'll be just out of the out of the room. And that's why I think is beautiful. That's a whole another game that I don't There's a lot of rules out there, right, a lot of rules out there. Yeah, Mike's a finisher. Yeah, he's a finisher. He's a closer.

01:39:38
Speaker 2: You know. It looks like you put me behind the eight ball and I'll figure it out.

01:39:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it's almost better if Mike stumbles and falls to the ground at first. He's like, good, got the first hit out of the way type of mentality. So yeah, dude, shout out fucking the boy, shout out.

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01:43:09
Speaker 1: That's great, man. I don't want to say anything to ruin it now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just gonna end.

01:43:14
Speaker 4: No, He's He's absolutely right. Like coming up here last year we wanted a little duck hunting. There was obviously some nerves because we knew, like we were aware of you from well, I mean the first time I saw it was on Joe Rogan and just you're the the amount of passion in how intentionally you are about conservation, about hunting all like, and you now will and I, who are too domesticated cats are walking into Montana like God's country to sit with you and all your professional buddies to go on a hunt. It's like, man, I hope these guys like kind of embrace us a little bit, because I don't know if you've like not, I don't know if you notice a bit like in the Man's banned community, there's always like this like egotistical like kind of dick measuring competition going on. I don't know if you guys would be like kind of laughing at us. But we came in and you guys were awesome, Like you guys just treated us as like legit like we were, but in a good way, like hey, we're going to teach you up. You know, these are the dues, these are the dons. You guys are great with gun safety and all that. So it was it's been it's been a fun second experience as well. It's just awesome, So we do appreciate it. What is what is it like having guests that don't necessarily know what they're doing in the hunting world.

01:44:18
Speaker 1: I enjoy it. I've always liked it because it lets you let's it lets you see the world through uh fresh perspective, a new perspective. I got started and doing a lot of a lot of the outdoor stuff, hunting, fishing and trapping and all that. I got into very young, so I have no recollection of starting out doing it, and it is really it's exciting for me to bring people in and have them see it for the first time. That's one of the reasons I like to get out with my kids a lot and just like kind of see it through new you know, to see it through a new perspective. And I think at a point too, when you get like.

01:45:02
Speaker 2: Not at all just turned off operation. You're running Steve, what he bumped the light switch there?

01:45:12
Speaker 4: So we're still rolling though, we're still didn't go.

01:45:15
Speaker 2: Out, just the light go with your kid's new perspective.

01:45:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there's a thing that happened. I hear people say that this happens, but I couldn't even picture it. Happening is uh, people say, well, eventually just more fun. Touh like, see other people have success. You know, I got this body mine. Uh do you name Zuck that I.

01:45:37
Speaker 2: Hang out with a lot, does his own Facebook?

01:45:41
Speaker 1: Nokay, no, this dude, No, this dude's last name is just straight up Zuck. Uh. It just ends at the K guy Zuck called mother Zucker. Uh. This dude, like, so he's hunting his whole life. You know, he don't hunt now. He only like it's just like he just don't seldom.

01:46:03
Speaker 6: Yeah.

01:46:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just he just likes to take people and just whatever it is he just has where he doesn't need to do it anymore. He just wants to have He wants to help other people. And uh, you know I could picture I'm not I'm not there, but I could picture that more and more happening. Right, It's just fun to take people.

01:46:21
Speaker 2: I think, did you have fun watching me miss the coyote yesterday?

01:46:24
Speaker 1: I had more fun watching that happen than than if I had gotten it. Yeah.

01:46:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like it sounds like, based on listening to the other conversations, you could have had an opportunity to get it too. Well, there was a gun in your hand and you decided to lie. If I had that gas gun, I would have put it down right when you miss it.

01:46:42
Speaker 1: Well, the main thing I woke Yeah, it's something I woke up in the morning and I thought I was gonna grab my shotgun. If we'd had a shotgun, we'd have had it. But he just he came in. He came hard and fast. Yeah, Rabbit number six was the sound we were playing.

01:46:58
Speaker 2: Yeah with that call or like you're playing a video game. You're like, oh, I got these new calls. Let me try him out. Max. Yeah.

01:47:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, Max was showing me the film and dude, the intensity he came right, okay, yeah, all right, go.

01:47:15
Speaker 2: Bro and him and I'm sticking putting myself in Will's position. I was so nervous. Steve was under the weather, so he wasn't at the shooting range the day before when we're trying to dial in the shots and you're messing with the tripod and you're trying to lock it in and get a good shot, and obviously the targets aren't moving. So when we get there the next morning and they're like, hey, Will, you're gonna go with Steve, I'm like all right, you know you're feeling the nerves, like all right, I gotta try, and I want to try, and you know, make Steve proud. This is my captain. And so we sit down and within were then sitting down. Within five minutes, he puts the call out there and right away it's like, hey, hey, there's one there on the right, Get on it, Get on it. Are you on it? All right?

01:47:53
Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna shoot it.

01:47:55
Speaker 2: Shoot it when it stops. And then I'm like, I'm trying to get it dialed in and realizing my tripod like okay, I can't set up to where I get it tightened up. And I'm scoping in on this coyote like it doesn't seem like it's going to Scott stop. This thing's moving and he's like, shoot when it stops. And then it wasn't stopping, and it keeps coming in faster and faster and the vaulge will be out soon. And I started just trying to follow it on the scope and he's like shoot it and he and then there's a pause and he goes, are you.

01:48:19
Speaker 6: Gonna shoot it?

01:48:20
Speaker 2: And I'm like yeah, I take a shot and missed and I looked to the right and I see Steve and he's just laughing.

01:48:27
Speaker 1: Just having a fun.

01:48:28
Speaker 4: It blows me away, like you, Stephen and go was with Garrett and we're like just the intentional walking. First off, you guys are men's on mission. Like you guys are just going at a pace that there's no domesticated human being can actually go at and walking like Garrett. Garrett'll just start walking and I'll be like walking behind. I'm like kind of like watching his feet and stepping where he steps, and then all of a sudden, he'll just abruptly stop, like adult, You're just gonna look around a little bit, and you just He's like, I was like, all right, I have no idea what you saw, but picking out even you and the targets the day before, he'd be all right, go to F whatever it is, seven hundred fifty yards off to your left, and I'm just like, I.

01:49:09
Speaker 1: Got this scoping my hand.

01:49:10
Speaker 4: I'm just doing figure eights trying to figure out where the hell is this F And I find the number. You're all right to the left of that, Okay, to the right of that. And it's just you guys' ability to just see the world out of the like the live the live animals that are walking around is just mind blowing.

01:49:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that kind of stuff like definitely comes from a lot of exposure and shooting at the range is great and you learn a lot of shooting at the range, but never you can't replicate the stuff like what we saw with where there's like timing, yeah, you know, timing and then trying to predict like behavior and you know it's it's tough, man, it's tough. You gotta have you know, it takes a ton of field experience. But the the walking deal, that's the thing that's always bummed me out. As there's no sort of glory uh uh, there's no like Olympics ship do you know what I mean? There's no like championship walking for just walking through the woods man or like walking, you know what I mean, Like there's no record, there's no way that you ever get formal recognition for just being really good at like a measured pace walk. Do you take do you take governing? Body?

01:50:22
Speaker 2: You take pride in? Like are you aware that you're just burying me as we're climbing?

01:50:26
Speaker 1: I'm aware that Like, yeah, if I started to run, I would have shin splints would be terrible. But if it's just like a walking, yeah, it's like I'm I'm extremely good at just regular walking.

01:50:42
Speaker 2: Yeah they were climbing, just regular walking, dude.

01:50:45
Speaker 4: But catching those beavers too, Like it's I felt like a newborn deer just trying to like get around and then all of a sudden, I'm like in the MUDs sinking. And you were smart too, because at one point you're like, hey, if you want to just grab these other traps, and I'm thinking, I'm like a little kid, like no, I'll go with. Your dad was just in the back, like I'll stay here. You've had enough of Steve, you boy, I'll just come with. We're walking Around'm in the middle of telling some story that Steve doesn't give two ships about it. Not just my left leg all of a sudden just goes like, you know, three feet and the thing I'm like kind of stuck for a little bit. He's getting like multiple traps while I'm like prying my leg out. You just you just understand terrain.

01:51:20
Speaker 1: You know that that spot right was joking, had you walk into that spring yea and get stuck in.

01:51:25
Speaker 2: That body, I almost dying there. We'll go ahead and check it out.

01:51:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's this little there's a there's a spring. It's kind of it's a it's a warm spring. It's not warm to the touch, but warmer than the stays open year round where that water comes out of there. And I had waited in there, and I was joking about getting stuck in there, but like, later, look, I went into this little mock pocket and got stuck. And then later it was kind of like thinking like, man, but you know, you were to myself like I was stuck, stuck, and I realized I was like, what would you even have done?

01:52:03
Speaker 2: Man?

01:52:03
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, because my buddy pulled me out of there. But I had my phone right here, you know, so I would have been fine. But like the second time I went back there, when I was with you, I left my phone on the dashboard, and you know, you kind of all kinds of close calls in your life and stuff. Dude, if out of if no one knew where you were and I'd got stuck in that mudd I don't know that. I had a couple of things I could have tried to get out of that mud hole, but I don't know that I would have gotten out of that mud hole someone trying to explain where I was.

01:52:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we were talking through it. You would have had to take off your waiters and try and like swim out.

01:52:36
Speaker 1: That'd be the thing I would. Yeah, I guess the next thing you try to take off your waiters. There's this place and this kind This is a harrowing story, but you know, you guys have been to the town of Anchorage, Alaska.

01:52:47
Speaker 2: I have not.

01:52:48
Speaker 1: There's a hurd stories. Yeah, you know cap'n Cook. You ever hear a Captain Cook?

01:52:53
Speaker 2: Does he have a cereal?

01:52:54
Speaker 1: The great Sailor? All the cereal I've.

01:52:56
Speaker 2: Heard of Captain Hook named the cap'n Hook.

01:53:00
Speaker 7: Uh.

01:53:01
Speaker 1: There's this the city of anchorages on the sink called cook Inlet, And there's a arm of cook Inlet called turning an arm. And it's just it's got silt like it's different kind of muck, but it's got silt like that. And uh, but it's also got a tide. And there was a story from years ago. It's just so like Heroin to think about where a woman walked out on that muck, got stuck in that muck, and the tide was coming up, and there's like first responders there trying to extricate her from the muck and no jokes, drowned her.

01:53:36
Speaker 2: God, that would be such a scary way to.

01:53:38
Speaker 1: Go out because you're not only stuck in the muck, but then the fucking water. Yeah. Yeah, that's just the worst, man, you know what I mean. I'll tell you guys about that dude in the ice, you know, ship Like that's haunts.

01:53:48
Speaker 4: Being found frozen, holding herself up, knowing that you're trying to get out and just there's nobody around but the lady in Alaska getting stuck, like she's got to be so panicked, and then see the first responders and.

01:53:58
Speaker 2: There's got to be a sense of relief like all right, thank.

01:54:00
Speaker 4: God, I'm going to get out here.

01:54:01
Speaker 2: And they go to help her.

01:54:02
Speaker 4: But then they're like, hey, we got to get out here, and they have to injurally make the conscious decision that we have to walk away from this lady and let her die, you.

01:54:08
Speaker 1: Know, trying to help her breathe through a tube and stuff. There's certain like there's certain like get like weird, you know, with outdoor stuff. People spend a lot of time. I've written about this fort in various ways. People spend a lot of time thinking about, Oh, I'm gonna get attacked by mountain lion, I'm gonnaet attacked by a grizzly bear, which is great to think about. But like then when you're out messing around and doing stuff, you realize all these kind of like really mundane dumb ways to have something bad happen to. You know, all your mental energy is like, you know, me and my body's rise like this never ending debate, you know, like should you have your pistol or your bear spray? You know, and you don't even think about or you just get stuck in the mud.

01:54:55
Speaker 2: It out.

01:54:58
Speaker 1: The pistols you want?

01:54:59
Speaker 2: You just stuck what's been your closest call.

01:55:04
Speaker 1: The and reviewing it back in my head. There's there's a thing that happened with UH in Southeast Alaska. We have a little fish shack in a remote area of southeast Alaska. You fly into our fish shack and UH when I before we were married, before me and my wife are married. We we're out one night and it was right around between Christmas and New Year's and we're out in our boat at night coming back from deer hunting and hit a submerged log so hard that it like we're going pretty fast trying to get back before it got dark, and hit a submerged log so bad that it knocked the engine back up in the boat. Like the engine like I am up into the boat, you know, I'm the on the tilt, and the bow dove down and just scooped up a big old mouthful of water in that bow. And we were out in this we were out in this big chan on the water. There's at that time of the year the water there's upper forties and you can't last anytime in that water, you know. And and dude like reviewing it my reviewed in my head. We were like, so you never made the beach. You've never made the beach.

01:56:21
Speaker 2: I to know that.

01:56:21
Speaker 1: I met this guy there was coast guard up in Ketch Camp, which is near there, and I'm talking about going to distressed vessel things, you know, and he said, like it's always the same thing, like people's dying the water so fast. And then he said, one time they do a call and they get there and there's two people that were they had to hit the beach, but they're just dead on the beach from hypothermia, you know, yeah, and that like that water if they're serious. And I've always taken my kids out and we take them out, and he realized, like it's it's yeah, you're just playing with I don't want to say playing with fire because like a lot of people do it. It's just that that's a sketchy environment, you know. And I'll and I'll bring up to them or bring up to other parents. I'm talking about having kids and raising kids is like I like to kind of put them in a what I call it like an arena of consequence. Do you might like to bring your kids into situations where there's like real ramifications to stuff, do you know what I mean? Like it's like real, you know, and and I like to do that with them. But then sometimes you also realize that that if something bad happened, you can imagine like the articles about what the idiot you were right, you know what I mean, who would ever take little children yeah out in some eighteen foot skiff, you know what I mean? And you'd be like and people be like, oh, Darwin Awards, you know, and all that shit, you know, you know what I'm saying, And you'd be like that you'd be like that, never you'd be You'd you'd be remembered as the idiot.

01:58:00
Speaker 2: They wanted to put him in an arena of consequences.

01:58:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you would. Yeah, they wouldn't remember you as like the dad trying.

01:58:06
Speaker 2: To like you learn today.

01:58:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, we uh when we were trapping, you were talking about just like these these muskrats and hey.

01:58:22
Speaker 2: They used to be forty five dollars. Now you probably five dollars for these.

01:58:25
Speaker 4: Beavers, And like you could see the passion in your face and your voice about just like just trapping and even said, like, when I was growing up, that's what I wanted to be was a trapper, which to me growing up in Arizona, I think it is like one of the craziest comments.

01:58:37
Speaker 2: I've ever heard of my life. Like I never thought I thought that like died in the eighteen trapper.

01:58:42
Speaker 1: But the next time we talk, I'll explain that there was a path forward for you in Arizona as a Bobcat man. But I could outline it for you. You wouldn't need to have what you would have needed to have done.

01:58:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have a Bobcat trapper.

01:58:58
Speaker 4: But I see, like, obviously the Metater brand has become you know, every time we come here, oh the last two times we come here, like I have. I was in Vegas this past weekend, people are like, Hey, the meat Eater stuff you guys did was awesome.

01:59:08
Speaker 2: All my buddies in Cave Creek are like, I can't believe.

01:59:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know Cave Creek.

01:59:13
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, shout out the boys. Yeah.

01:59:16
Speaker 4: But you've built such a such an awesome like company and everything like that. Like, where did you transition from I'm going to be a trapper to you know what, I'm going to start writing, I'm going to start being a conservationist. I'm going to go and oh, I'm gonna start a company called me Eater and made people more aware of hunting and fishing and the right way to go about these things. When did that big transition happen for you?

01:59:37
Speaker 1: When I So, I started trapping monskrats when I was ten and was just consumed by it. The reason, one of the reasons I liked it was it was kind of there's this thing that these two things that would work together on it. Like I liked doing it, but I was also very interested in remem We're talking about Daniel Boone. I was very interested in these, like these guys that we now call long hunters, like the early deer skin hunters, and very interested in mountain men and these other groups of guys that would go out and just supply the skin trade, like fur trappers and hunters and shit. I was just fascinated by that stuff. Part of while, I was fascinated by this because I liked to do it too, and these were like these these were these iconic American figures who made their livings doing that, had all these wild ass adventures, right, So I want, like when I was little, I wanted to make my living doing like as a hunter and trapper. The only contemporary version of that would have been being a sort of like like generalist trapper who traps for fur and whatever else when they're growing up, you know, or getting older. And it just became untenable. At the same time, it became untenable because the economics that work out because of this mark, there's a market that like really fluctuates wildly. I got interested in writing, and for a while I thought, well, what I'll do is I thought I could supplement my income from trapping as writing articles about trapping went to college as afterthought, like I don't really know what's the test you're supposed to take? When you like, what are the acts? Is that what you did? Sat Like, people tell me there's no way this is true.

02:01:28
Speaker 2: I know.

02:01:28
Speaker 1: I went down and took the as VAB. I took the military test and thought about going to the army for a minute, changed my mind. I don't think I took the college test, like I honestly, god, I don't think I remember going down to the community college we had where I grew up. It was a Muskegan County, Michigan. I went down to the community college and I wrote a check for six hundred bucks for a semester of night classes, and that was and I began college like reluctantly, really yeah, reluctantly, dude, and I kind of fell in love with it. But I took two years of night classes and just kind of started getting into school and like getting more into writing, and then pretty soon I was I was very pretty soon I was very focused and dedicated on like becoming a writer. Uh, whenever I give professional advice, I always point this out, Like when I give professional advice now to people, I always tell them, Like if I'm talking to kids or whatever, I tell them, like, never have a Plan B. You guys probably know what I'm talking about because you made it a thing that was impossible to make it into, Like it's impossible to become to be in the NFL, right, right, So it's like, kill any plan B because it'll be more seductive, it'll be easy, and you'll just you'll do a Plan B. If if the Plan B is sitting there, it'll it'll be the draw is too strong, like you'll be sucked into your aversity strikes.

02:02:50
Speaker 2: You'll look back at that Plan B and be like it would be easier just to do that. I can't just pivot to this lane.

02:02:54
Speaker 6: Yeah.

02:02:54
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so.

02:02:56
Speaker 1: Even though my plan A was like to be a trapper, my plan is to be a writer. Once I once I settled on that idea kind of like that sort of an adult notion of what to do is like to be a writer, I was it was I was either going to do that or I was gonna die, you know what I mean, Like there was no other option, Like I never entertained other options about it outside of writing. Yeah, I was like I was going to make it work as a writer, and and for years, you know, it was it's hard for years, right, Like it's it's hard to get there financially, but I don't if you're not married, if you don't have kids who're not married, like it doesn't like there's no you're not like Actually, poverty just broke, right, it just broke. So you have years of being broke as a writer. But I eventually got there, and uh, and just by being that that's what I was going to do.

02:03:49
Speaker 2: You know what was the one thing that started to catch catch traction in the writing world that started to shift like, Okay, now I can start supplement money, making a little bit more money. Like when did that momentum started writing?

02:04:00
Speaker 1: Yeah?

02:04:01
Speaker 2: I you know, the.

02:04:08
Speaker 1: There's there's a meritocracy to it, right, there's there's absolutely a meritocracy to it. But there's also like a connections thing. I got lucky. There's this there's this writer he used to be very prolific writer. There's his writer named Ian Fraser. He wrote this phenomenal book about the American great planes called Great Plains, where he just spent years cruising around on the Great planes. He's really he's really good about culture, writing, really good about like writing about landscape and Western American West and Western history. He had this book, so he wrote this book, Great planes. I love this book. It wound up being the weirdest deal, where like he had never gone hunting, and he'd written all about like he'd written whole books on like the La Cota Sioux and and all this Western stuff. I hadn't hundred for some reason. And I got a chance to take him on his first deer hunt. And I took him on a canoe trip for deer. He gets a deer, and meanwhile we talk a lot about writing, and he takes some of my stuff and sends it, takes a piece I wrote and sends it to Outside magazine. And this is in the very late nineties ninety nine. The piece published in two thousand and I had written a piece about that we used to go to the bar. When the bar closed, we would go out and sleep inside this dam and then fish whitefish and steel head inside the dam at daybreak, you know. And I wrote this whole story about doing this, and he gives it to Outside, his editor, Outside magazine, and they bought it for four thousand bucks, which I thought, dude, when yeah, I went there was this like I was living in Missoula, Montana when I got that four thousand bucks. I remember, I bought a topper for my truck which is like eight hundred bucks, and went out to Hot Springs, Montana and basically just hold up at Hot Springs, Montana in a like room for a couple of days to try to just process the like the windfall.

02:06:13
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, the amount of money.

02:06:16
Speaker 1: Yeah.

02:06:17
Speaker 2: Man.

02:06:19
Speaker 1: After that, it's like I got it, I got the topper, I got a topper. I'm gonna blow a couple more hundred here at the Hot Springs Hotel. Now what's my path forward? And uh yeah, that was it. It was just like it was. I remember that dude telling me in the in the writing world and everything, it's changed so much, Like I'm this is an old ass story, right, this is the year two thousand. But him saying like he said, like as a writer, he goes, somehow you just wind up with like a stamp of approval on your head, and he goes, I don't understand it, but all of a sudden, you get it, and you got it. You get like the stamp of approval. And so and in those days, there's one hundred way to do it. But in those days there were certain magazines that once you would publish in those magazines, it was like your stamp of approval, and then all of a sudden people would like you could sell a book. Right. It's just like also in the whole world opened up to you all of a sudden, you know, TV people call either about development, you know, maybe they want to license something you wrote, or get an option on shit you wrote. I don't know, it's just all of a sudden, like you struggle, struggle, struggle, struggle, then all of a sudden, like some imperceptible piece of thing happens, and it's in all of sudden just life becomes easy.

02:07:35
Speaker 2: Yeah.

02:07:36
Speaker 1: And so he told me that would happen, you know, yeah, Or he told me that's you just get You need to get the stamp of approval. You'll know when you got it.

02:07:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was true. Man, Outside, our magazine was a stamp.

02:07:45
Speaker 1: Huh, Yeah, that magazine and I wound up being on the mast headed Outside. I wrote. I wrote a lot of articles for Outside that wrote. I wrote all over place. I wrote like I did magazine. I did magazine bits everywhere. I did everybody. I wrote all the tons of mags, sines, and then to start doing books, you know, and then and then from books got in from books got into doing television television kind of got into doing podcasts.

02:08:09
Speaker 2: And then were you excited about television because you were talking about you know, plan A was trapper, Plan B was writer. Then writer becomes plan A. When TV starts to come in the equation, that's like another opportunity, you know, getting in front of the camera.

02:08:24
Speaker 1: No, not in not in and of itself at all. I felt like it was a I felt TV was a way to I felt TV was a way to kind of round everything out with with books, Like I thought it would be a way to find audience and find readers, you know. Liked that the primary Like, at any point in time, if someone said, if at any point in time, someone came to me and said, hey, you gotta you gotta choose, like you can you can host, TV host, or or you can write anytime, I I would never, without a doubt, I would always go toward writing, always, always, if if I ever had to make the decision, but I always just looked at it like part of a thing, you know what I said that the I always looked at it as like part of being a writer was doing that kind of stuff. Remember I said, the industry changes so much over time and and being back and like when I was starting out that magazines were a good way to come in, there's one hundred ways to come in. I mean, you guys are media. You guys are like media professionals came out of athletics, right like that, I wasn't aware of that path to media, and it's it's everything changes so much, like you couldn't do it the way I did it anymore. But what became obvious to me over time is it became obviously over time that you had to learn you had to think of like your world as a set of ideas, right like it's and the set of ideas lives, and it's this thing and you can hold, like you can hold this set of ideas and like, imagine that there's all these sort of conveyor belts moving away from you, do you know what I mean? And you could have this thing in your hand, it's your set of ideas and you can just randomly place them on these conveyor belts that move away from you. When I started out, it was like there was only one and it was like it was writing for publication, you know, and so every idea was placed on that thing, on that one belt, right. But now I imagine that it's this array of belts and it's like it's podcast material, it's it's television stuff.

02:10:42
Speaker 2: You know.

02:10:43
Speaker 1: I've worked a little bit, I've worked on some documentary stuff, right, And it's instead of thinking that I'm doing all these different things, I'm still dealing with this contained object, which is my ideas. Like the things I can about and where I put them isn't important to me, right, It's just important.

02:11:05
Speaker 2: To me that.

02:11:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like this remains like my fucking thing, do you know what I mean? And I don't really care about all that shit. That's kind of how I've come to think.

02:11:14
Speaker 4: It necessarily evil to get your idea, this thing out to more masses so they can enjoy and understanding more.

02:11:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And and I went to kind of like I went to at what at the time was a I got into a pretty like a prestigious writing program and uh at University of Montana. And at that time, man, it was like with the Internet coming, people were deathly afraid of the Internet. Man, people were deathly afraid of like every thought that like that you were this that that like writing books was the intellectual purity and everything else was less than you know, and and everyone was real. You know, you could you could get real snobbish about all that stuff.

02:12:00
Speaker 2: But I just you never fell in that trap.

02:12:02
Speaker 6: Well I did.

02:12:03
Speaker 1: I fell out.

02:12:04
Speaker 2: I could.

02:12:04
Speaker 6: I could see it.

02:12:05
Speaker 2: I could see it the internet coming Like these individuals don't understand the art depend to paper community, the community that you're in. If they're kind of frowning upon it, you have this vulnerability of like seeing it the way you're seeing it, as like these are just vessels that I'm able to get this idea out. They're not necessarily seeing that. But also you feel the pressure of like if I do do this, you know the boys are going to be, oh yeah, this first time he had an article on the internet.

02:12:31
Speaker 4: You know, he went back into that little group and they're like, Steve, you see Steve's on the internet.

02:12:37
Speaker 1: Sold out? Yeah, you did something the internet stupid?

02:12:41
Speaker 4: Is that like in the environments in the world you live, it is like a consistent where I feel like in the hunting world, there's like a lot of like purity about it, Like there's like a I don't know if it's a clickish group, but like people have like their ways they want to do things, and there's a pure way to do something as opposed to you know, maybe just the regular hunter who goes in a tree standing just takes the just takes the rat or something like that. I feel like you've lived in those types of communities most, if not all your life.

02:13:04
Speaker 1: Dude. It's like, I'm sure everything is. I'm sure everything is. I'm sure every discipline, community, whatever. There's like intense tribalism. There's like there's a tribalism to hunting. Uh, it's almost comical.

02:13:25
Speaker 2: You know.

02:13:25
Speaker 1: What I used to observe is like, so, so I grew up in a you know, I grew up in a Christian household in a Christian community, and and if you had gone like like, people would be I remember, people would be they'd feel threatened by where I was growing up. People might be feeling threatened by Latter day Saints, right, threatened by Mormonism. And because it was like similar but little different, right, and you look at me like, why aren't you guys worried about like devil worshippers. That seems like it would be like a real enemy, you know, but you're like, well, yeah, never, no one pays attention to that. We're looking at We're worried about the things that are just a little different. And then and like the tribalism of hunting is that you it's it's that yeah, Like there's like archery guys that are you know, look down on rifle guys. There's guys that hunt over bait. There's guys that don't use bait, and look down on guys that hunt over bait. Just whatever, you know, just guys that use a knife.

02:14:37
Speaker 2: You gotta kiss with your bare hands.

02:14:38
Speaker 1: That's exactly track it down. What it winds up being, like, the more I've been around the country and like met so many people and got to go to so many places, it winds up being that the whatever you grew up around, whatever is normal to you from growing up around that's right, right, yeah, yeah yeah, and everyone else is everyone else is like not right, yeah, tribal.

02:15:04
Speaker 4: I posted a video yesterday on Twitter or x of just like the landscape, me and Garrett looking over like it was beautiful, but I had the rifle and someone's like, be a real man and use a bow.

02:15:15
Speaker 2: That was one of the first comments. I was thinking, I've never even shot at bow, like, but in my head of I I guess I'm not real. Yeah, failed, this's opinion of hunting.

02:15:24
Speaker 1: Well, next time you come out, we'll shoot bows. I love shooting bows. But there's a rumor.

02:15:28
Speaker 4: There's a rumor going around that we're hunting a bear next time.

02:15:32
Speaker 2: I'm glad, you know.

02:15:33
Speaker 4: I'm glad you're very aware that we're hunting a bear next time. And there's something about the apex predator that I'm interested in the thought that if I don't kill it, it'll kill me. I knew this would happen. I talked to kill bear fair but I could be right. Maybe a couple of cubs walk by, Yeah, no doubt, but black bear.

02:15:55
Speaker 1: Is not going to kill me. Man. Black beards don't like here's the thing they do. So I think that you have black I think there's like black bear hunting seasons and close thirty states now, okay, most like by far, most Americans live within like a forty five minute drive of a black bear, okay, or blackberries. Everywhere you take a state like here, it's like we might have ten thousand black bears in this state. No one gets killed by a black bear. Okay, ten thousand black bears, and I can't think of the last time someone in the state's been killed by a black bear.

02:16:39
Speaker 2: They still get number.

02:16:40
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, you get a thousand grizzly bears and they're killing a couple people a year. It's just a different bear, man, They're like a different bear with a different groove, and they just got a different worldview. And like, even then, the odds are small, but there's like an elite group of there's like an elite group of plays out there that are like very high risk individuals. I'm getting mix ups with grizzly bears and it's a real it's a real thing. Like I've had like close calls with them, little skirmishes. It's a different bear.

02:17:17
Speaker 2: When you were having your mix your mix ups with the grizzlies, like was there's some fears starting to set in.

02:17:23
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's they're intimidating, man, They're intimidating. It's a real bear. I mean, I love them to death. I love them to death, but yeah, it's like you know those bears, those bears play for keeps man like in this state. You know, every year people get people get tore up by one or two people in the lower forty eight get killed by them. And there's not that many. You got grizzly bears in three states well now, and then you'll have one in northern Washington. But you got a small number of bears that that do that do a lot of mixing it up with people, and they're they just have a different attitude, you know, like a black bear. When you scare a black bear, intimidate a black bear, the black bear in his mind is like he's gonna get clear. He's gonna get clear of the thing a grizzly like usually as well, usually as well, he's gonna his impulse is gonna be to get clear of it. But ten percent of the time whatever, some percentage of the time, it's not fifty, it's less than fifty. Is when he gets scared, his impulse is to just like crush what scared him. God and black bears don't have and it's like it's getting like nine times out of ten whatever, it is, like nine times out of ten or eight times out of ten, he's gonna peace out. But then you get like the right mix up, the right proximity, he's in the right mood whatever, and you like scare him.

02:18:53
Speaker 2: You know.

02:18:53
Speaker 1: The difference is picture you go around to your buddies and you hide around a corner in a house, right, and your buddy comes in the door, Like you hide in your body's house and your body comes in the door and you go, ah to scare them. What percentage of bodies are gonna jump back and go? But there's gonna be that one that just boom? Do you know what I mean?

02:19:15
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's a good analogy, Like I don't know who you know, Like, there's gonna be that one that just the size of smoke, that has the has the sort of the sort of these.

02:19:29
Speaker 2: I fear. I know I'm the jump back guy. Oh I'm an jumpy to you.

02:19:34
Speaker 1: Got I'm like, as I'm gonna jump back.

02:19:40
Speaker 2: A striker. Maybe I just hold you in high regard interaction.

02:19:43
Speaker 6: I don't think, I know.

02:19:44
Speaker 1: Try it well, don't try because that sounds scary.

02:19:46
Speaker 2: It sounds like if I broke in your house, that'd be a world of heart.

02:19:49
Speaker 1: If I had a minute to assass then I would then take step just just.

02:19:53
Speaker 2: Six seven shadow in the corner of your house.

02:19:56
Speaker 1: I'll be done.

02:19:57
Speaker 2: What about what about polar bear?

02:19:58
Speaker 4: I know I don't want to say this about bear fit, but like something about something about like cougars and bears and all that, because I'm, like I said, Arizona, like, I'm we got avelina and heel monsters and snakes, but there's no like giant predators. And so I walk out in the woods around here.

02:20:14
Speaker 1: Black bears in line mountains, well, those are up.

02:20:16
Speaker 2: North if they're anywhere, and they're not going to be down in Keith crekertt like the desert.

02:20:19
Speaker 1: And you know you're you're overlooking one because uh usually there's there's usually a jaguar in Arizona.

02:20:29
Speaker 2: A singular jaguar.

02:20:30
Speaker 4: Dude, I'll take my like I just I've never I went to the University of Michigan, and the first time I get there, I see all these trees and I just think there's a bear and every bunch of those trees. Like that's how dumb I am. And so then I come out here, I'm like, we're for sure in bear country now we gotta be. So then my wife is from British Columbia and she they're always talking about bears. She knows bears they're aware the whole. Like if it's a if it's a black bear, get big. If it's a brown bear, like lay down, and then if it's a wipe, it's like that you might as well do.

02:21:01
Speaker 2: It's over. It's over for you.

02:21:03
Speaker 4: But yeah, but polar bears, is that just a you see one of those things, it's it's it's game.

02:21:09
Speaker 2: Man, like I have.

02:21:10
Speaker 1: First off, I'm very comfortable talking about black bears and grizzly bears. Yeah, I have zero polar bear experience. I can tell you though that numerically they are. Numerically they are a high, high level of aggression. But I'm I'm way over my waiters talking about talking about you're in the mud.

02:21:33
Speaker 2: I'm not.

02:21:34
Speaker 1: I'm not a polar bear man.

02:21:35
Speaker 2: Polar bears would be. I mean those things are massive, massive, terrifying. Yeah, we can get off the bear stuff. What would you got?

02:21:43
Speaker 1: You talk about bears like want? I just can't talk about polar bears with any level.

02:21:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, FA, I was gonna ask, You've obviously built an incredible company with meat Eater. You have meat Eater, you have first light, Like every time we come out of here. I feel like we learned something new, like one hundred and fifty employees, Like, how did you build this company into what it is today? Because it came through writing, you get on television, there has to be a shift in your mind mentally to where it's like, hey, I have the I could have the ability to build something of my own because I think that's incredible. It is incredible what you've built with me.

02:22:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such a it's such a convoluted, complicated story, and it's hardly like, it's hardly all. It's just not like, it's not this doings of a it's not the doings of a single person at all. But I had eventually, do you guys remember, of course you do all the Anthony Bourdain shows over the years. Okay, so what happened was the production company that made all that Bourdain stuff. It was zero point zero production. Chris and Lydia Tonauglia had zero point zero production and they did like Cook's Tour, which was Bordain's first show. They did no reservations, they did parts on and they produced all that material. I'm only bringing that up because it's a way to kind of understand the group of people on top about I fell in with ZPZ on some like development projects to like develop some of the work, to some of my writing into TV material, and we started making me Eater the show. Like we just it was like me there was a TV show that I was making with zero point zero production. I named that because I just had a new kid, my first kid was born, and I would read in books about animals, like I'm manly just reading books about animals and be reading like books about dinosaurs and shit, you know, and it'd be like this ferocious me eater the t rex. So I just had that word in my head. And we started this show and it was like no intention of being anything other than a show, and we would we'd make the show, and we didn't sell it. We just licensed it. So we licensed it to Sportsman Channel, we licensed it for we licensed it to Netflix for a bunch of seasons, and we just owned it. If someone had bought it, we would have sold it to them, Okay. So it was just it was like lucky that we if the right deal would have come along, we would have just sold they. We would have sold it because that's how TV's always made. Like when a network, a stream or whatever. When they buy a project, it's usually today that they take possession of the IP. You produce it for them, but they own it.

02:24:33
Speaker 2: We just.

02:24:35
Speaker 1: Because we we just got lucky. We got lucky and didn't originally sell it to anyone. We only ever made licensing deals and it was almost like accidental, right. But what that enabled is being that we owned this whole We want to owning the like a seed to this whole sort of universe of hunting and fishing content and whatnot over time, and we got an opportunity to take an investment that would let us spin that we're approach about taking an investment that would let us spin media out outside of the zero point zero cradle, to spin it out and like hire our own people. A lot of the guys that worked at a lot of the guys that worked on the show that I did all lived here in bos of Montana. It was just like a very It was a very small group of people and just almost like weirdly coincidentally, we're all centered around here. I had lived here before they were living here. So when we found when we found a way to like spin media off and make me eater its own entity. We just like moved it here and then we're able to take like we're able to take investment to buy gear companies, and we had had a sponsor like first Light was a sponsor of ours going way back, like the founders were one of our first sponsors. We eventually got to a point where we were able to like to buy first Light and then other gear companies. Fahf Gear, Phelps Game Calls, Dave Smith Decoy's we're able to like to grow into this commerce brand. But my I'm like aware of and know what's going on and you know, in all aspects of it. But my day in day out is like our our media brand, right, so we look at it. We kind of look at our world as being we have our our commerce business and our and our content business. And I worked day in day out, I'm like in the content business. But it was just but it's like it's not like a thing I did. I didn't have like a roadmap in my head for it. I don't feel if you think about like your professional life, maybe you guys have found it differently. I've never had be that that. I've never been in a situation where I felt like I arrived in a at a tee in a road do you know what I mean, like a clean tea where you have to decide like you're gonna turn ninety degrees right or you're gonna turn ninety degrees left. I've never hit that professionally. Every junction I've ever come to has.

02:27:22
Speaker 11: Been like.

02:27:24
Speaker 1: Like an angle that's the obvious angle, or there's maybe like some little shitty dirt road you could take off to the side, and I've always just like been like, well, I'm gonna stay on the one that seems the most like beaten down, like it's I've never had I've never had like some moment to be like oh do I do I do this or do this because they're equally tantalizing. It's always been like, well, no, man, right now, for me, the clear option is to go that a way, right, And I've just always gone like, the clear option is to go that way, and I just go that way. I've never had like a door die, do you know what I mean? Yeah, I can't think, like thing that happened.

02:28:08
Speaker 2: To me right, change the trajectory of where you're actually going. It seems like it's all just been one thing to the next thing that's opened up the next door.

02:28:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's never some movie shit, you know, or like someone's like take it down, or.

02:28:18
Speaker 2: Yeah the last opportunity or a hotel room with a suitcase and a guy.

02:28:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, never happened.

02:28:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, was it weird getting into the content world, like showing showing hunts like you know some like when we go on these hunts and they're prepping us about Steve Ranella and hey, we gotta have things in order. Camera guys got to be right. Because you're somebody who likes to go and do your thing. You're not necessarily thinking content first. You're thinking hunting first, and the content better adapt around it. So was it weird when you're starting to implement cameras into your day to day on the things that you love to do and you're wanting to show people. Very weird, right, right, and then you're showing it to the world. You're putting it on socials, you're putting it on YouTube.

02:28:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very weird. And there was a couple of times. There's a couple of times early on in trying to film stuff I like to do, there's a couple of times early on I was like, man, I just don't know if I want to do this, you know, but but I fell in love with it. And what one of the things that really one of the things that made our materials stand out in a somewhat crowded space is what made our materials stand out is remember something out of that shit would like working with ZPZ so like like picture that that Bourdain show for so long was like such heavy influence, you know, like cultural influence, Like it was emulated and it was like the cool kids worked on that show. It was like the cool show. Well those dudes. So there's like dudes that worked on that show. Nick brigged In, Jared Andrew Cannis, this guy Moe Fallon, Josh Ferrell, a bunch of dudes that worked on that show that would come when they weren't doing that, they would come out and do hunts. And these are guys that would they'd come out in film hunts, and these are guys that could give a shit about hunting. But what they were interested in is just like story, right, They're interested in like telling a good story, making things, like telling a beautiful story. And they're like what turned them onto it was They're they're like every quest is so sort of encapsulated and perfect. Like if you imagine there's a definition of a story, you'd be like, it seems weird to define what a story is, but like a definition, a working definition of a story would be that there's a person or a thing wants something, there are obstacles preventing them from getting it. A story is them working through those obstacles to get it. Right. So you go back to the Iliad, the Odyssey, whatever, like it's it's that's the story. Someone or something wants something and they have to overcome obstacles to try to achieve it. And they're like, dude, it's kind of perfect because all the shit and all the thought you put into it, like what is like what's happening, it's all just right there, Like you want to go somewhere and get something, and then there's all these obstacles, but they just like cappen naturally anyways. Yeah, and then you either do or don't. But it's like it's like all you do is like turn someone loose the once. It's like it's just it's there already. So they were kind of fascinated by it, just in this weird way of like you could make these really clean, really entertaining twenty you know, thirty minute episode is actually twenty two minutes. You can make these clean, entertaining little stories by just going into the woods and being like, what are we after? Yeah, well see you way up on that mountain, that thing up there, try to figure out get it there? Yeah, And they're like, and it was just it was just fun for them, you know. And they were able to bring their like, all their talents of cinematography and other stuff to this thing that they just thought was fun. And a lot of those guys later on did a little bit of hunting and you know, and and and and liked it. But they were first and foremost they were like, they were professionals and normally what will happen? And I'm and man, I am not disparaging this ship, like I do not want to seem like I almost I hesitated to bring it up. But like a lot of people that would come up and do hunting material would wind up being that, like, your crew was guys that like to hunt, you know, And there's a lot to be said for that. There's a lot to be said for it. But in those early days of doing it, the crew was like people who were like film professionals. So it was just different. You know, it was different, and I can't take the credit for it, right, right, because they brought like a lot and so we came out with this show and it was just different. And part of why it was different, it was it was like I'm in the world hardcore, But there was a lot of people involved in it just didn't care. Do you remember all the tribalism and all that lost on them? You know, if you said, hey man, we're gonna go hunt this kind of weird squirrel, it'd.

02:33:08
Speaker 2: Be like great.

02:33:09
Speaker 1: They didn't know enough to know that that was done.

02:33:10
Speaker 2: Cool man, let's what's what's the story? And taking down the squirrel? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

02:33:16
Speaker 4: As soon as he got a crew now that I mean Max himself, says Willison. He pulled up the coyote from forward, like you got a crew that like it.

02:33:24
Speaker 2: Seems like everyone just lives and breathing.

02:33:26
Speaker 1: Now I got Now we got best of both worlds because now we got these guys that are like media professionals. But you know, long time has gone by, but now there's these like media professionals who are also very passionate and like here's the thing you take a dude like Max, really, I mean, if you kind of looked at it, you'd almost maybe think that, like if someone came down like a A A A A an objective person came down and sort of looked at the meritocracy of it all, they might be like, dude, I think that Max should be the guy on camera, and Steve should be and Max crushes old dude. Steve should be like the whatever, like the fucking the CFO guy or some ship. And it should be that this Max dude is like hosting the trips because like he's got like he's got all this, you know, he's.

02:34:20
Speaker 2: Like a you got your guys like walking around with them. It's Max spots the Cayo four hundred yards away Steve's. Once Max points it out, Steve's knows exactly where it is. And I'm thinking, what are these guys looking like, where the hey, Steve, where we're at on the mountain. It's right under there, under that little lip of the cliff, and I'm I'm trying to spot in the next thing. You know, Steve's on the gun. But even walking these guys and birds, these guys in bird, He'll he'll be in the middle of a story that he's been telling this entire podcast, and they'll just I don't even know what happens, but he stops, like the way you you know, talk about Garrett where he just kind of stops and looks around. But he'll be Steve be in the middle of a story and he'll just stop and him be like, mact you heard that. Yeah, yeah, that seems like one of those blueberry pheasants that that came down that migrated down from the northeast. Yes, sounds about four years old. It sounds like he brought his family down here. And it'll be in the middle of a story and he'll just hear this noise were they're talking about some like some crane and max like it stands like four feet tall.

02:35:25
Speaker 1: From the south. We're talking about Sandhill crane.

02:35:29
Speaker 2: We'll be walking on the hill and we'll be walking on the hill and Steve will just stop it. He'll sprint to this other hill and find this little bottom jaw of a lizard bonum. But hey, check this out about how.

02:35:39
Speaker 1: The did you see that.

02:35:42
Speaker 2: Your eyes operate that way?

02:35:44
Speaker 4: Something as simple as we're like driving back in the can am from the night hunt last night.

02:35:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, and garrets. In the middle of talking about horses and a bird goes by. He's like, yeah, so we had we robi pheasant and he just he has to let me know he saw this bird and you know, every pardicular just so you know.

02:36:05
Speaker 4: That blur that just went across your face as a pheasant. You'll never be able to see it again.

02:36:09
Speaker 2: But that's as long as you know. Now. It's insane.

02:36:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is a thing that's like, imagine you could look at it and you'd be like, it's like, uh, well I was insane. I imagine someone could want to look down on it and say it's just sort of like some kind of like colonial tendency or whatever. I don't know, but there is a thing with outdoorsmen be like that cataloging landscape is I've never called it that before, but just hearing you guys talk about there is a thing of like the need to.

02:36:43
Speaker 6: Like list it all.

02:36:44
Speaker 2: Yeah.

02:36:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you ad you have to go like you have you can't. It can't go unnoticed.

02:36:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like you guys are legit, like like like wild animals like a noises You're like, yeah, you can part of land and Steve yesterday. We're just standing by the river. He's like, oh, look the beavers. This is where they kind of you know, this is kind of where they It's like they're Johnny on the spot. Look they're rolling around over here. That's beautiful.

02:37:11
Speaker 1: And you're standing there.

02:37:12
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, grass here.

02:37:14
Speaker 4: And Steve goes, you see this, this horseshoe in this little river. I'm like, yeah, he goes, We'll see how it's kind of like uh sloped here. Well, the beavers and the otters they just think I'm not gonna take that trail. I'm just gonna go and slide over through here. And I'm just like standing in the middle of like their highway or whatever.

02:37:27
Speaker 2: In the ud. He's talking about the method.

02:37:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're like slowly sinking to your death. And he's like, you know some crazy guys when ice fishing back there, it's like this wealth and knowledge, Yeah, wealth and knowledge never been hitting.

02:37:41
Speaker 2: The head that many times?

02:37:42
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you when you go out with these guys like obviously Will and I we sit there and we obviously been to knee like we don't we're we're we listen to you. We know, we don't know, so that makes it more fun for us to learn and like hear your stories. Do you ever have guests that come in and be like the greatest hunter, I'm maybe the greatest gift to hunting I've ever anyone's ever seen. And I had something like that and tells a story has nothing to do with anything he's saying.

02:38:11
Speaker 1: I have definitely encountered blowhards, but no, not like no, you know, it just doesn't happen. Uh, it doesn't happen, and I try not to. I just try not to even create environments where that's like I just like the dick swinging and all that. Like, I like, I'm sure you could probably build you could probably build a world where it was just full of it, you know, but I just am so I just I dislike it. I dislike it.

02:38:48
Speaker 2: Are there any uh content creators in the outdoors world out there that are just kind of full of ship.

02:38:54
Speaker 1: Like I'll be I'll be around crazy, I'll be out around some what.

02:38:58
Speaker 2: We want you to do?

02:38:58
Speaker 4: On Bust with the Boy started with another outdoor where's the outdoor beef?

02:39:02
Speaker 1: Yeah?

02:39:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, beef.

02:39:05
Speaker 1: You gotta be Yeah, No, you'd have to be. Uh, there's no way, there's no way I would ever take that question on.

02:39:11
Speaker 2: But say you don't take the question, are there are their thoughts of like, yeah, there's some people that are like I'll be around some outdoor buddies and they'll bring up some brand or some personality. In fact, they curate it this way. But I've I've hunted with this guy and it's all it's all manufactured.

02:39:24
Speaker 1: Well, here, I'll tell you this. It won't be as satisfying you to hear it. There are people I know that are like exceptionally talented hunters, and I'll know that they're like I'll know their bio. I'll know that they're exceptionally talented and like extremely dedicated, and then I'll hear rumors, Oh, yeah he ain't ship, he did this, he did that, and I'm like, dude, it's not true, man, it's not true. Like there's such an appetite to there's such an appetite to see people be diminished, in such an appetite to see people be put in their place.

02:40:03
Speaker 2: That that.

02:40:05
Speaker 1: People want those stories. They ask for those stories. They're hoping for those stories. They're hoping to hear a story about how terrible someone is. So in the same way that if I'm talking to listen man, well, no, hear me out on this, because like there's different ways of looking at shit, Like if I'm hearing all about let's say I'm you know, let's say I'm talking to my wife and I'm hearing all about someone how terrible some friend's husband is, or maybe I'm hearing about all about how terrible some friend's wife is. I'm always sitting there thinking to myself, why I'd have to hear their story too? Right? It infuriates people around me where when I hear a story a lot of times I'm like, I have like a somewhat contrarian thing where I'm like, why I'd have to hear more from them? You know, sounds bad, but I don't know. I haven't heard the full story. So there is so you hear so much shit talking, it's got to be way worse, and it's got to be way worse in your guys world of like professional like like like in athletics, it's got to be like a thousand times worse. But yeah, there's this thing where everybody wants everybody to be ain't shit. They ain't all that, they don't at their opposer whatever, you know what I mean, And when I hear it, I'm was like, man, knowing how bad people want negative to be true and that they're rooting for negatives to be true, I just tend to just dismiss it.

02:41:42
Speaker 4: Sounds like a much more peaceful lifestyle than will and what will I grew up. I grew up in because the locker room can be a nasty place.

02:41:49
Speaker 1: It's such a perform because.

02:41:51
Speaker 4: You want to be seen as better, even if you want to be looked at as better than you might might actually be a lot of times guys will lean to well, he's not very good, I'm better, or especially in like position groups, or.

02:42:02
Speaker 2: If somebody gets coached a little differently, coach is harder on somebody else, or you see, you know, if I'm thinking of my experiences, you might feel like I might feel like I'm doing something correctly. I'm getting really I'm getting coached on something very small, and somebody that could be above me on the depth chart per se, they could be doing something that the technique that's going on is not even being taught. But the coach kind of goes over it because he's he's like, yeah, he's the guy you know what I mean, And so you feel like this, you feel like this bitterness that could build in your mind because yeah, it's all so it's all so performance based and in your success and you attaining this you know, the roster spot or whatever it is is like predicated on your performance. So I feel like you're very more high alert or highly aware of all of these stories that are going on around you to make it seem like you're you're doing the correct thing. And this guy he's not that good, Like your past set's different than this guy, but the headlines are really happened this guy up And you're like, I mean, he's not really right, he doesn't have it. Yeah, he doesn't have that. Yeah, I feel like it is a lot conversation in.

02:43:05
Speaker 4: The sports world. I can almost we almost speak for football, but ego, Yeah, it's insanely it's insane, it's out of control.

02:43:12
Speaker 1: Do you feel that in in that world? Do you feel that there's a way that talent isn't captured by stats? Like it seems to me like how could there be anything to argue about because all all reality is laid out, like all reality is is on the table.

02:43:31
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I think you can there's stats only tell part of the story. It's easy to see with like receivers or quarterbacks and all that. But like take Will for instance. We Will was the middle linebacker, if he had two de tackles that are shitty in front of him, it's gonna make him look worse, and they might get the detaglers might have better stats because they're doing things that they shouldn't be doing, but they're getting through the line of screams a little bit faster, but they're leaving big, gaping holes where Will has to now have a bigger area to cover to make a tackle.

02:43:59
Speaker 1: He's look worse.

02:44:00
Speaker 2: But if you have two guys that.

02:44:01
Speaker 4: Are doing their job in that instance and maybe not making the tackle, but putting everybody else in a position to make the tackle, their value now goes up a lot more offensive line there isom's.

02:44:13
Speaker 2: There's more room.

02:44:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you talk to like offensive linemen, our stats are only negative how many penalties you get, how many sacks you give up, those types of things. But there is a way like helping your neighbor, Like we like as five guys on offensive line, Like we're only as good as a cohesive unit. So if I'm playing great with my left guard's playing bad, or vice versa. Like it's kind of on both of us because there's so many times in a game that I can help my buddy out with, you know, putting my hand and a guy's shoulder at a certain spot so it turns his shoulder more so it makes that reach block easier for my guard, or he helps me out on the backside cut off. There's so many it's like that's why it's the greatest team sport. Ever, It's like no one can just do it by themselves.

02:44:54
Speaker 2: It's not like basketball.

02:44:55
Speaker 4: We can just have like a superstar that puts like forty up a game. Everyone's got a kind of function and have this well oiled machine working as one unit. Otherwise it all falls apart. But with that comes guys getting more stats than others and paid more and an ego. Well I should have got this because I was will had one hundred tackles this year, but I was eating up two blocks at a time. I should be getting paid more than ego. Fights fights fights. That's why culturally, you need great leadership not only in the locker room, but also from a coaching standpoint as well. So it's a there's a lot of different nuances in the football world that.

02:45:27
Speaker 2: Are just yeah, there's a lot underneath the surface, a lot underneath. Yeah, gaps can get filled in and not as like comparable to like basketball, where I feel like the realities and the stats are laid out a little bit, a little bit easier for like the objective eye. Yeah. But going off of like.

02:45:44
Speaker 4: Not hating on people, but was there ever a guess that came on and you're like, I don't know if what this guy's going to know, like and was like a pleasant surprise of their knowledge and understanding of the outdoors they kind of stood out to you.

02:45:57
Speaker 1: There's there's been a lot of people that have stood out to me, but I can't think of people did where I want to being surprised.

02:46:03
Speaker 4: And you can't say us, yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel like you were surprised with our shooting abilities last time.

02:46:09
Speaker 1: That was surprising. Well, I was surprised until I thought about it, but then I thought about it. But like, but you guys have obviously you have to have like a very good you have to have a very developed sense of situational awareness, extremely good hand eye coordination mhm, right, and just like a little zip in your head. That was not me.

02:46:36
Speaker 2: You know, I'm claiming what happened there we go.

02:46:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, because a zip in your head like a fast kind of like thinking thing. So then it was like, then it made sense to me that you would excel at it, you know, because you have a and then all so there's a competitive drive. So it made sense to me. But I was surprised, Yeah, because I've seen people really struggle with, you know, trying to pick up a shotgun and hit a moving target with a shotgun. But then when you factor in that your whole life has been you know, big portions of your life are focused around a moving ball and following it and figuring out what to do and making quick decisions. So yeah, that would make sense you'd wind up being good. Now, I was telling I was telling Will about something the our days, like we went out kyot Colin. Okay, and we'll go Kyote calling. It's kind of a mid winter thing here, like after big game hunting seasons are all done, just a fun thing to do to keep active at a time of year and there's not a lot going on, so we'll go Kyle Colin. But I was telling him, I got a friend, this guy named Mercer Long right, who's a professional predator guy. Like he catches he does government work as a caller for predation work he does. He catches bobcats for researchers to put radio callers on. Like his whole life. He's a fur trapper, so catches bobcats for the fur market. I'm bouncing over the place, catches bobcats for the fur market. Does predator work for biologists where if you have like imperiled species and you're trying to and you're trying to help sustain like a small population of animals and try to get them built back up again, and so you're trying to reduce predation on that little population of animals. He's a guy that will come in and do predator control, very targeted predator control in a place and catches stuff for researchers who want to do put collars on them, radio tracking collars on them. It's all this guy, I mean, like his whole life. So here's a guy that he'll call. He'll go predator calling for months on end, every day, months on end. You get to like you guys will make some jokes about like, oh you guys know this, and you're me, you know, me and Max or me and Garrett will like see this and see this and see this. You go hang out with like a dude like that who has been hyper focused on one small little component of this, and then you get into like some holy shit shit.

02:49:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like snow white talking to the animals.

02:49:36
Speaker 1: Dude. You get into like, you get into highly focused man. And then I had a couple of experiences of being able to go down to South America and hang out with indigenous South Americans and so here your people living, you know, live in a community in the jungle. Your people have always been there. They spend their whole lives maybe within let's say you spend your whole life within about a seventy five mile radius. But so did your great grandpa, your grandpa, your dad. You you guys hunting fish two hundred and fifty days a year. You want to talk about hearing some bird off in the distance. Yeah, they know what it is. They know what treeo it's sitting on. They know what that bird's mom was. You know what I mean. It's like you can't there's a level, there's there's a level of depth to this shit that that certain people can get and like I get to live in it, but I live in this whole other thing of like like you know, producing media, and there's like a business component. There's a lot of guys out there. There's a lot of guys out there that just do a very stripped down version of just all in fucking all nature all the time, man. And that's like hanging out with When you talk about being surprised by people, the surprise winds up being how deep you can go and how good you can get on on on like wildlife and just immersing yourself into that natural world man. And uh, I get to touch it. I get to like tickle it, you know. But there's some dudes that live it. Yeah. And I always try to be clear, like, you know, I never run around talking about you know, I never run around talking about knowing more than whoever, because I've met the guys that know, like, I've met the guys that know it all, and I can't compare myself to them. Yeah, do you know what I mean? Because they're just too deep. They're too deep. They'll never catch them.

02:51:44
Speaker 4: So many like side categories. There's obviously, like hunting, right is just one thing and then there's all these different things that people can specialize in, finding these guys that just like sit out there, and the generations of all that is just it's just nuts to me. There's like you can never learn too much. Yeah, there's never an end date, like you officially reached the pinnacle of the outdoors.

02:52:07
Speaker 1: There's like, there's this thing I found bouncing around the country that like an observation I've had is it doesn't matter anywhere you're going. Anywhere you go in the country, you could have two houses next to each other. Okay, anywhere you go in the country and there's two outdoorsmen they live next to each other. You can find the one guy in the house on the right who's like, everything's all fucked up. It used to be good, but all the spots are gone now, the woods is full of idiots. Everybody's out there, the fishing socks now, the Fish and Game Agency fucked everything up right right, and then the left house right next to him always as a dude's like, fuck, you can't even scratch the surface. Yeah, it's too good, there's too much to do, you know what I mean. It's like everywhere you go, those two dudes everywhere you go, there's those two dudes, you know, And I just like the guy in the left house, better.

02:53:09
Speaker 2: Man that's ready to find the new pivot, find the new way to figure out. Excited man breaking break through another ceiling, can't.

02:53:16
Speaker 1: Scratch the surface, too much to do. It's like you always there's always those dudes, and I'm always like, I'd rather talk to that left hand, the left house guy that can't scratch the surface. And it's like there's that like infectiousness about it, you know, getting out.

02:53:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, sorry, I was gonna ask.

02:53:36
Speaker 1: You.

02:53:36
Speaker 2: Have you you speak to so many people that are both hunters and even non hunters because you have this this knowledge of with history and again you're able to weave all these things in that kind of kind of bring it relatable to everybody. So I want to put you in a situation where you're speaking to So let's just say guys like Tailor and myself, people that are kind of like, you know, they flirt with hunting. They have kids. You know, we're both girl dads. You're very you're very adamant about getting your kids out the whole arena of consequences. And let's just say you're speaking to you're speaking to potential hunters, or you're speaking to hunters that just kind of dip in and they're wanting to learn about your philosophy of getting kids involved in getting in the outdoors. More Like, what would be kind of your general approach when speaking to a group like that, because again, I think you do a it's really cool to hear you talk about hunting in a way to where you know that you are immersed in it in such a way that is very intimidating and you feel like you can't belong, but you're also able to sit next to guys like us to where it it makes it seem so fun and that where you want to dive into a more.

02:54:40
Speaker 1: I I've developed a couple philosophies about with with families and getting kids outside. Is like, remember I was talking about in picking a career, it'd be that you get you got to either get where if you're trying to do a thing that's hard, you got to get where you're just gonna do it or die, you know what I mean? And I would would it would have a little kids. It's so hard to get out. It's like you go and you're like oh, there's like the snack shit and this one still wears diapers, you know what I mean, Like this one like take some weird ass nap in the middle of the day every day, I mean, and like at a point you just be like, well, just never mind, man, I'm not gonna do shit, and I'm just gonna become like a bitter dad who's like pissed at his kids because I can't go.

02:55:32
Speaker 2: You know.

02:55:33
Speaker 1: I'd be like I'm just gonna do that route and kind of resent my kids and kind of be shitty to my wife and just generally be pissed because now I can't live out my uh, I can't live out my passions, and I'm just like an old hasband dude. The amount of dudes that fall into that, you know, a lot, and I just didn't want to, Like I didn't want to do that, and so I just had it. I would set a goal even when they're little, like you know, with all that ship like diapers and all that garbage. I would I would set like a goal like we're gonna go today and we're gonna like I don't give a ship what happens. There's no way it's not gonna happen. We're gonna go fish, you know, and maybe we're gonna fish something that's not that exciting. We're gonna go catch some blue gills whatever. But like I don't give a ship, dude. If we don't fish, I'm gonna kill myself, you know.

02:56:31
Speaker 2: What I mean?

02:56:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I had like go at it like that with little ones, and I'll tell you here's the thing that I found, Like, well, there's there's there's two parts. Because this is the area that we that me and my wife agree on is we're not terribly interested with little kids. We're not like really interested in what they think. I don't really want to hear about. Like I'm not that interested in what they want to eat. Right, It's like you're gonna eat what we're having, and I'm not that int in On Saturday, we're going fishing. I don't want to go fishing. I was gonna go to Bobby's house. It's like, no, you're not going to Bobby's. We're going doing that. Like you live in our house and we'll lean your way a lot, but in a lot of ways, you're gonna lean our way and you're gonna do the things we're gonna do because I think that one of the most important things you can demonstrate to your kids is like demonstrate to them what it's like to be passionate about something. You know, like if everything, if all you ever can bring to the table for your kids is just like this kind of like ambivalence, passivity. Well, I guess we'll go down to the park, because what else you supposed to do with a kid later on? Like what is their impression about how you later on when they're grown up and they're thinking about it, Like what is their impression about how you engage with the world?

02:57:55
Speaker 2: You know?

02:57:56
Speaker 1: Even if my kids and they probably won't, I don't know. I remember someone saying that. Or if your kids don't like the hunting fish as much as you do, I'm like, not many people do. Man, Whatever that happens to them, if they don't go at all, they will when they're when I'm dead and they're sitting around with their spouses and they're like goofing on their dad, remembering their dad, They're gonna remember someone who was fucking on it, do you know what I mean? Who was like driving hard. And they maybe won't like it, but they'll later they'll laugh about it, and they'll probably uh begrudgingly, they'll be like, yeah, I learned some shit from that, you know, and it'll be that like what you're gonna do, like be fucking tenacious. And so it's not to me like getting them into the outdoors is it's like selfish because that's what I want to do. But it's also it's also like, well, I'm showing them what it's like to care about something, what it's like to try to excel at it, what it's like to try to like be in it, what it's like to try to do hard little goals, you know, and uh, and it's not just to make them be outdoors people. It's just to have them see that like that you can that it's good to go through life fired up, you know, to be like this is fucking we're going man, Yeah it's windy, it's fucking cold, let's go.

02:59:25
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, I love that because I think in a way, like whether or not they picked it up, they're about it later in life or when you're still around, but the moment that they start to have families themselves and think about it or if you you know, unfortunately weren't around anymore and you're able to recall things like ultimately you would bring they will be bringing that into their world because they're going to actually start to remember. It's like all the things we resent about or you get we would get upset about with our parents, and then you look back on things that they did and it's like, well, this is why they did they did this, and then it starts to come out through you now that we have families. I love that interesting.

03:00:00
Speaker 4: How parents will be like, you don't like this now, but you're going to appreciate it later, I say to you when you're a kid, and then you actually sit back and like, yo, I actually I really do appreciate it because it's very difficult. I have a seven and a four year old, and I want so badly to be a place where they can come and talk to me about things, where they can just say, well, how are you emotionally feeling? How do we work through it? What's the process of communication so that you don't just lose a gasket every single time you're mad about something like how do you process it in your mind and have an ability to talk about it? But then it's like I worry because I was successful and my kids live a much better life than I did growing up. And it's like, hey, how do I stop? How do I one make sure they have work ethic and then in a passion.

03:00:41
Speaker 2: In whatever they're doing.

03:00:43
Speaker 4: And I think the answer you gave it is the correct one, which is show them, like show them every day. Like the reason why your dat is successful is because of X, Y and Z. The reason why he has a hard work at this because he's passionate about the things he's working towards.

03:00:56
Speaker 1: Yep.

03:00:57
Speaker 4: And you just show him that over and over again eventually there and be like, Okay, I want to succeed in these things, Well, how would I do that? Well, my dad's successful. He did X, Y, and Z, and they can always lean back on that. So it's a very it's a difficult thing because I've been around. I went to I went to high school. My senior year, I transferred down to Scott's to Arizona. It's a very rich area of Arizona, and all these kids are driving, you know, the nicest cars and live in the nicest houses. And you see them like ten fifteen years later, and none of these kids have drive because they've been given everything their entire lives. So it's just like I sit back as a father of two young kids, and I'm like, how do I make sure that.

03:01:31
Speaker 1: Does not happen to fear? My kids?

03:01:34
Speaker 2: Have it?

03:01:35
Speaker 1: Gravy?

03:01:35
Speaker 11: You have?

03:01:36
Speaker 4: You have, You've established something incredible, like you've trail blazed an area that you know, for a lot of times only like a niche group knew about, and you're making it a mainstream thing. And so yeah, you you you might run into that. It sounds actually you're not going to run into that. I heard the way you talk about your kids, like your kids are gonna be just fine. It's from a tough.

03:01:55
Speaker 2: There's always a fear about the definition of storytelling. Like somebody wants something, there's going to be obstacles. Some might have many more obstacles. But if they're able to if they have moments to where we're wanting to show our kids something and maybe they're in college and we feel like they just haven't gotten it and we've done everything that we can, if they're going to overcome whatever that final obstacle is, they would have to look at themselves so closely to where you almost do appreciate You're like, you know what Dad is right. I'm never going to tell them, But if I want to get this thing, I have to come over this obstacle that ultimately I'm just standing in front of my own way. So no matter how it comes out, whether it's early in life or later in life, I do think it comes out at some point no matter what. And sometimes it's you know, when mom and dad might pass and then you're reflecting you're in a different state of mind. Sometimes it's when parents are a life. Sometimes you're getting out of college and everything structurally has happened the right way to where they kind of have that driving passion. But no matter what, I think it'll trickle out at some point along the road.

03:02:51
Speaker 4: And it's like also like seeing the adversities they're going through, knowing in your head like this is not a big deal and you know that, but it's like, what do I essentially that back and say you work through this, you have the tools to do it.

03:03:03
Speaker 2: And then at what point do I.

03:03:05
Speaker 4: Go, Okay, I need to intervene here because I want to make sure that I can see the path they're going, and if they go that way, it's just they're either going to get in trouble or you know, not handle it the correct way. So it's such a it's a finesse game with kids, ma'am. And I don't necessarily love the word finesse, but it really is like.

03:03:24
Speaker 1: Finassy. You don't know what sounds melodramatic, but like I think about it, I guess because I think about it, I'll just share it. Even though it sounds melodramatic and kind of simplistic, Like I always picture, let's say your kid is like your kid gets older and they and there's like a fucking car crash right and there's like a car rolls over and it's on fire, and there's like a person that needs to be pulled for you of the car right with the car could blow up, you know.

03:03:52
Speaker 6: What I mean?

03:03:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, you always be like, will my kid be the what would my kid be the one that runs over and drags them clear?

03:04:00
Speaker 2: Yeah?

03:04:00
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? And like it sounds so like it sounds so melodramatic and like fantastical, but I'm always like when I think about little things and bringing them up, it's like I want, how do you kind of from the ground up make the one to be like fuck, I don't want to do it, but I'll do it right, I'll go drag them clear?

03:04:20
Speaker 2: There have a selfless act of like.

03:04:25
Speaker 1: And it's like a lot of things. It's like how do you, how do you do you? How do you view other humans?

03:04:29
Speaker 2: Like?

03:04:30
Speaker 6: What do you?

03:04:30
Speaker 1: What are your obligations to people? What's your obligation to your family?

03:04:33
Speaker 2: Like?

03:04:34
Speaker 1: Are you act first? Are do you have it in you to act?

03:04:38
Speaker 4: Do you?

03:04:38
Speaker 1: I mean like, are you willing to like do ship you don't want to do? Or you know, are you willing to like court a little danger and have a little risk? Right? And so I'm always I kind of look at like would this make it more likely that they would go and drag someone clear for burning? I love that most extreme version.

03:04:57
Speaker 2: I know, we gotta wrap up something, but I'm a it's brought to us by bud light. People. People will do Are you talking about this one? Well, I'll on we gotta like ten minutes. Yeah, people will do anything for a bud light. That's something that you would do anything for. It. Is there some big game out there that you haven't yet conquered? What is something that you would do anything for?

03:05:24
Speaker 1: Man, there's a well, yeah, I'll tell you there's a there's a documentary thing I want. There's a documentary I want to make. I don't want. I'm not gonna tell you what it is. There's a documentary I want to that I want to make, and it doesn't it makes no sense. And but if I don't, there's a subject I want to take on in a documentary. And if I don't get to taken on in my life in a documentary form, my wife will have been a failure.

03:06:00
Speaker 2: Holy Ship, you can't give concept everything. You can't.

03:06:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know he's got to keep I'll tell you about it. And you're gonna try to act like you think it's interesting because you're polite, But dude, it's like I would Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, like a cheap shot. I was gonna be like, I'll do anything for my wife. But no, Like, there's like, there's a thing I want to there's a thing I want to make. It doesn't make a terrible lot of sense, and like, I don't even at this point, I don't even give a ship if anybody watches it or not. But it's so fascinating. I have to find a way to do it. I love that there's not a Day goes By. I'm not giving you da goes By. I don't think about how I want to make a film about it. I love it.

03:06:46
Speaker 2: People have great lengths to get a bud light. I love that you're going you'll go to any measure across the world to make sure that this.

03:06:54
Speaker 1: Whatever it is, will Yeah, I'll be like and just bring me. I'm sure they make one. They need to bring me n a Yeah, yeah.

03:07:02
Speaker 2: Got a couple. Yeah, I actually want to start up your company.

03:07:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.

03:07:07
Speaker 2: My old man, he's a he's a drinker.

03:07:09
Speaker 1: But na yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll kick back of the old man. But you know what, I'm going to turn him on Too's gonna turn him on to taking that the butt an a and mixing in a little zing zang bloody marry mix.

03:07:23
Speaker 2: Okay, little cocktail. You know what it is.

03:07:28
Speaker 1: It's like because when you quit drinking, it's hard to like at night, if you're hanging out and other people are drinking, it's like you can't just drink water because it doesn't like. But you take that really spicy bloody this is a chip. This is a tip for people who quit drinking. Take an n a beer and then you put really spicy, bloody marry mix in the n a beer and you drink it and it's got like a little burn to it, scratches the edge something, scratch the itch.

03:07:57
Speaker 2: It helps you get everybody.

03:07:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I wasn't like that kind of drinker. I wasn't like a you know, I wasn't like an AA guy. I was just I just drank too much and wanted to quit and gradually quit. But uh, yeah, that little you need, that little burn I find, and that little burn kind of your your body is like, ah, there it is all right. It's just tomato with Jesus black pepper.

03:08:20
Speaker 2: Yah, I love it.

03:08:21
Speaker 4: I did want to ask before you go being a conservationalist, being like someone who's in the outdoors all the time. There's been like a lot of stuff like obviously I don't we're not a political podcast. I really want your thought process on this. I'm not trying to make this anyway. And we kind of touched on it yesterday. But there's obviously all this this tariff stuff going on with Canada and all the wood and everything, and so Trump's now put done this executive order saying and I don't know the full detail. So there's so many different news articles that say he's it's a terrible thing. It's a great thing. But he's like signed this executive order that says that we have all this wood, like three hundred million hectors of land.

03:08:59
Speaker 1: That you can he didn't, you did it? Hitting the National Forest hard, right and hard to.

03:09:04
Speaker 4: Essentially be like we don't need Canada because we have the resources. But the resources is like thirty three percent of our wooded resources. Some people have broken down to me, like you need like ten years for treat to mature, and the longer they mature, the better the wood is, makes better the homes, makes better quality. So you being in your world that you are, I just want to know, is this like a detrimental thing to America? Is it actually, Hey, there's a lot of things we can really clean up in America from a wooded area standpoint, Because it's like I'm just trying to understand that this little game of chess that's going on between our northern neighbors and US.

03:09:38
Speaker 1: I'll give you a couple I'll give you like a little high level, my kind of high level thought process on it, and it's it's it's quite it's much more complicated than good bad. Yes, no, we need just like first off, I'm gonna clarify, I'm coming at the street from like wildlife habitat and like an environmental wildlife habitat perspective. I'm not I don't have the home builders wood market right, see at the table, right, I'm like the wildlife habitat guy. There is a lot of stuff that needs to be cut, and we need to have active timber management. And when a lot of places we've neglected timber management and it's detrimental to habitat. A healthy forest, Like if you go across most of the country, a healthy forest is a mosaic of stuff that was just recently burned or recently cut, whether from lightning strike, fires or whatever. So it's like new growth, medium growth, old growth. Right. You need it all because you want to create habitats to have all these different offerings, and you want to create habitats with a lot of edges, right, meaning like open areas that a butt brushy, areas that abut mature stands, because that way there's a lot more going on. I'm trying speaking very general terms. There's a lot more going on ecologically, greater diversity of plants, greater diversity of like of stages of growth. So you have things that are big old trees that are producing masts that like producing acorns, beech nuts, whatever from old trees, young trees that have new growth on them, and that's good for food. You have little thickets for stuff that likes thickets. Right, So you want a mixed ecosystem if we leave everything alone and don't do active land management because the natural processes aren't there anymore, like we just don't have We can't just let fires rip, you know, because it destroys property and things and other issues. You got to kind of do a man made version of how to create these mixed ecosystems. So there's a place for logging. Done right, it can be very advantageous for wildlife in the right areas. What I don't like.

03:12:05
Speaker 2: Is UH.

03:12:09
Speaker 1: I can't support and I can't get behind building new infrastructure, building new roads into our into our wilderness areas. And I don't mean designated wilderness areas, but areas that are like UH that are industrialized, like land natural landscapes that don't have infrastructure in place, that don't have roads built into them. I cannot support a plan to go into those areas and build new roads in order to harvest old growth timber. Why is why is that like we're just gonna we're we're gonna run out of it. Yeah, We're gonna run out of it. There's like a deal. There's always a deal with the devil that you make on this stuff. You mentioned wife being from British Columbia. Canada has you know, Canada has a reputation, like a little bit of some people hold Canada's a reputation of having this stellar environmental record in some ways, like the US, we've been able to hang on to our old growth coastal rainforests, which you know, there's not that much left old growth coastal rainforest, and we've kind of looked and guys in my world will look and be like, man, I can't believe be WAYBC British Columbia has just maintained openness to just keep whacking away at it. And it was kind of like, man, they're gonna cut it till it's gone, right, And meanwhile, we got a lot of coastal old growth rainforests. Like I mentioned, I have a fish shack. Like I have a fish shack, and like ground zero of this shit Tongus National Forest surrounded by Tongus National Forest. It's a perennial like, you know, like political ping back and forth as whether or not to build a bunch of new roads in tongest National Forests to get after the old growth coastal. I mean, we're talking six seven hundred year old trees, right and you look in that southeast lasting stuff. You look in BC, and they've been hammering it, and they might hammer it to the bitter end. I just like I think that that if you go in the into the future, I'm very conservative about this when I can. When I say conservative, what I mean is this, when we go into the future and more of the world has developed, and more of the world is industrialized, and there's less biodiversity and less wildlife, I think we're going to look at these last bastions of old growth timber and we're going to be like, thank god we protected that stuff. You go. Look, there's been a lot of talk lately, like somebody, even some politician in Florida, I think, introduce some bill to put it uh to put President Trump on Mount Rushmore. They say that that rock face isn't even suitable to accommodate a new face up there anyways. But let's just say, let's talk about who one of the guys that is there, Okay, one of the guys that is there is Theodore Roosevelt. Theodore Roosevelt. He's a Republican. And Theodore Roosevelt created the National Forest System, Okay. And what he did was he knew that American wildlife was on the way out, like like we relative to the late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, we live in the good old days of American wildlife. The shit was bad. Then Roosevelt came in and he knew that like for American wildlife to thrive, we need a National Forest System, we need like big tracks of forest. And he did that, and people didn't want him to do it, and they were pissed at him at the time. Now he's like universally celebrated every politician and wants to be favorably compared to Roosevelt. Okay, I'm very cautious about any effort that would undo or subvert those efforts to create these big tracks of nature, these big tracks of wildlife habitat. And I'm just always gonna be like I'm always gonna be on the side of preserving our landscapes, and I use the term investing in these wilderness landscapes where American wildlife can continue to thrive. And I'm gonna be like very I'm just gonna be on the defensive. I'm gonna be on the defense. I'm gonna defend wildlife habitat.

03:16:45
Speaker 4: Guilty before proven innocent. With you, when it comes to the wildlife habitat, it sounds like it's a double like it's a double ed short because on one hand, what you're saying is because we can't let fires roam free, we need we need the levels of growth. So cutting down what like is not necessarily bad. No, And if they sit in a layer, that's when it becomes detrimental to the wildlife, environment, human beings, the world we now see as it is today.

03:17:11
Speaker 1: If the right so with that executive order, with the right person in place to interpret it, I would be there's a there's a version in which I'd be like, thank God, yeah, because there's a lot of there's a lot of work we need to be doing for like wildfirework, wildfire reduction, habitat improvement, thinning. I'd be like great if with the right person on the ground implementing it, I could get excited about it. With the wrong person on the ground implementing it, I could get fearful of it. And right now it's it's a little early to tell, but yeah, with the right people executing it, I could think that it would be like net positive, or it could be people doing it and I wind up being like upset about it.

03:17:53
Speaker 4: Now, a hypothetical question for you. Let's say you're sitting in your office later this afternoon and there's a call. Some of your secretary walks in. She goes, Steve, the President is on the phone. You answer that phone. It's Trump, he said, tells you how great you are, how amazing you're everything's going so great in your life. But he wants you to be the guy to interpret the executive order.

03:18:12
Speaker 2: What do you say to that question?

03:18:14
Speaker 1: I would say, uh, yes, and then I would promptly call. I would promptly call a couple of friends of mine and I would say, uh, you guys need to do this because you understand it better me, and I need to act like I'm in charge.

03:18:31
Speaker 2: Smart man, smart man. I love it was it. Delegate to elevate. Yeah, exactly right. Yeah, that's good.

03:18:39
Speaker 4: I do appreciate you bringing that down a little bit because it is so interesting, like this whole like the political landscape we live in now, because a lot of things he's doing, people are like, well, this is what you this is what everybody wanted. But there's so much going on that's hard for me to follow the bouncing ball, and I do my best to kind of like kind of fall off because it is so interesting to me. But when I saw that, you know, my brain goes to it's probably not as bad as it is because I'm not a pessimist. I'm very positive about like the best case scenario is usually gonna work out. My wife on the other end, being from British Columbia, not knowing the nugget that they're actually killing the forest, that they'll have to bring that up a dot our next family meeting. But uh, she she is huge into wilderness, her whole family, like her her mom is like, notice like the fishing queen in her town because she's like she can just rip any lip around there. So like she was very she's obviously worried and concerned, and I was like, well, I'm gonna be with meeter her next week. Like, what a perfect individual to talk to it about, because it is very interesting and just just trying to understand all the nuances of kind of like you were saying, like, how do you interpret these executive orders as opposed to just reading my face value and just assuming it's a blank canvas.

03:19:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you here's the main rep. Do you got a second? Here's kind of the main.

03:19:50
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly when the flight is, but I know we're getting well on this.

03:19:53
Speaker 1: This would be very quick.

03:19:54
Speaker 6: This would be very quick.

03:19:57
Speaker 1: My my problem with the administration so far when it comes to the natural resources issues and public lands issues is I would like, I like I understand some of the things that need that they need to do. I think that they're taking a pretty ham handed approach and a lot of the doge stuff has been coming. A lot of the Doge stuff has been decisions being made by people who have no understanding of what they're toying with. And I think that a better approach is get your cabinet heads in, get your administration people in, and let people make decisions at a more expert level. The same way you read about Rubio's conflict with Musk or like Rubio's like, I'm secretary of State, let me go into my portfolio of interests and identify the cuts. That's my world, right, I'll do it. And so there's like a little possessiveness on some of the stuff with like beer, forest Service issues, Bureau of Land Management issues, logging issues, whatever, public lands administration layoffs and all that. Get the right agency people in place, let them know what they need to do, give them a minute to go and have like a more fine tuned expert opinion on where we find room for cuts, and don't just start cutting shit that you don't understand because someone else is gonna go in there and be able to do it without without throwing the baby out with the bath water. And they've thrown a lot of they have thrown a in the area that I'm informed on, which is like natural resources issues, They've thrown a shitload of babies out. And now you're gonna watch people come in, and they're gonna come in, They're gonna be like dragging those fucking babies back, picking those babies back up and putting them in and it's just it creates a mess and they will like the babies will get picked back up, and it will kind of be like, well, why don't we just like take a why don't we just do this in a more thoughtful way anyway, because they're already like, oh my god, he got they got rid of what? Yeah, and that's causing headache. Yeah. So I just think that I'm not the only person to bring this up, like there's an intention to go and do something, and I think that it was just like, uh, I think the intention kind of ran away with itself for a minute, and there's gonna be a lot of I think now there's gonna be like a lot of corrections are gonna need to take place.

03:22:32
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that is I mean, this is a whole another hour of a podcast, a.

03:22:37
Speaker 1: Different show or two different show, and I have someone different than me talking to ye. Hey we delegate.

03:22:43
Speaker 4: Uh last time was awesome, dude, shooting ducks with you This time just as much fun like the trapping portion. Obviously we didn't get a coyote, but it's good that we didn't get one.

03:22:51
Speaker 2: You can't I can't be like, hey, we're going on a meat eat hunt, like it's gonna be right out in front of you, like that's that's honey. But we we appreciate, like, not just you, but your entire career, like the hospitality, the way you guys treat us like everything's first class here.

03:23:03
Speaker 1: So thank you so much. I appreciate it. Man. Thanks for coming on. I look forward to hanging again.

03:23:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the man, bro.

03:23:08
Speaker 1: Thank you