A History: Van Halen through Van Hagar - (Part 2 of 3) The Rise and Fall of David Lee Roth

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<v Speaker 3>Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't
<v Speaker 3>Be Serious Podcast. We are here today with part two
<v Speaker 3>of our Van Halen series. This one is the rise
<v Speaker 3>and Fall of David Lee Roth van Halen as a
<v Speaker 3>group with David Lee Roth at the Helm, one of
<v Speaker 3>the most important bands of the eighties. Join us as
<v Speaker 3>we jump back into the history of Van Halees. I'm sorry,
<v Speaker 3>did you say jump back into we might as well
<v Speaker 3>might as well jump.
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<v Speaker 2>Graves and Jason cole Band.
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna pick up where we left off last time.
<v Speaker 3>We had covered the first two singles off of Van
<v Speaker 3>Halen One Awesome.
<v Speaker 5>This is going to be the rise and Fall Daily Roth.
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<v Speaker 3>can't be serious podcast. So then where are we now?
<v Speaker 3>The third single, yes, so yeah. The third single is
<v Speaker 3>Ain't Talking about Love. This is one of those few
<v Speaker 3>songs that they did with Sammy after Sammy joined the band,
<v Speaker 3>one of the few Roth songs that made it over.
<v Speaker 3>And it was originally supposed to be a punk parody
<v Speaker 3>from Eddie, but he just said, well, it just didn't
<v Speaker 3>ever really sound like punk.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's be punk.
<v Speaker 3>It's only two chords, it's a minor and it's g
<v Speaker 3>It's one I was able to pick up.
<v Speaker 5>It's one of my favorite davidly Roth and Allen's it's
<v Speaker 5>so good.
<v Speaker 3>It absolutely is. And it's one of the few ones
<v Speaker 3>that it was overdubbed, but it was overdubbed with an
<v Speaker 3>electric sitar. But he starts off that song and he's
<v Speaker 3>you can listen.
<v Speaker 2>To the beginning. We'll listen to the beginning of it
<v Speaker 2>real quick.
<v Speaker 3>So you hear how the strings sound different there, They
<v Speaker 3>sound muffled, right. It's a technique called muting where with
<v Speaker 3>your right hand you're holding the pick, but you put
<v Speaker 3>your palm against the bottom part of the strings. You
<v Speaker 3>don't press them down so much that there's no sound
<v Speaker 3>at all, but you press it just enough to mute
<v Speaker 3>the strings, okay, and so that's that cool sound. And
<v Speaker 3>nobody's going to say that these songs were amazing. Lyrics wise,
<v Speaker 3>David Lee Roth did pretty much all the lyrics, and
<v Speaker 3>I think he'll readily admit there's no depth from some silliness.
<v Speaker 5>And so Dave was born into a family of a
<v Speaker 5>successful eye surgeon. While his dad was bringing them up,
<v Speaker 5>his uncle, I think, is a well known doctor as well,
<v Speaker 5>and there's kind of medical family and they expected Dave
<v Speaker 5>to kind of fall in their footsteps. And the day
<v Speaker 5>was known as sort of the troublemaker, the high hyper energy,
<v Speaker 5>troublemaking kid, but not medical school material.
<v Speaker 2>Right.
<v Speaker 3>If anybody can say anything about David Lee Roth, it's
<v Speaker 3>he's going to suck the marrow out of life.
<v Speaker 2>That's his goal. Right.
<v Speaker 5>He definitely party follows him around, that's for sure.
<v Speaker 3>His motto was it doesn't matter whether you win or lose,
<v Speaker 3>it's just how good you look. I can't think for
<v Speaker 3>really a more shallow statement than that, but that was
<v Speaker 3>so like, that's's the kind of mantra of his life.
<v Speaker 3>And then there but just you know, to kind of psychoanalyze,
<v Speaker 3>maybe a little too much. If you looked at listen
<v Speaker 3>to Ain't talking about love. It says I've been to
<v Speaker 3>the edge, I've stood and looked down. I've lost a
<v Speaker 3>lot of friends there, baby, I ain't got no time
<v Speaker 3>to mess around. I think he probably had a darker
<v Speaker 3>side that was related to the thinking deeply that he
<v Speaker 3>actively decided to avoid. You listen to him talk, and
<v Speaker 3>you know he's an intelligent guy. He's scattered and obviously manic.
<v Speaker 3>He is way, way manic, but there's definitely a high
<v Speaker 3>degree of intelligence that's going on there. But he I
<v Speaker 3>think he has a fear of the deep.
<v Speaker 5>The next song, Jamie's Crying.
<v Speaker 3>So this song is about a girl who she decides
<v Speaker 3>that she's wanting more than just physical love. She wants real,
<v Speaker 3>true love. And so you can tell from the timber
<v Speaker 3>of the band Dave lets her down easy. I'm sure,
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, it's great, see you later. I'll go down
<v Speaker 3>on the block.
<v Speaker 5>The interesting thing to me about this song, okay, Jami's
<v Speaker 5>Crying nineteen seventy eight, we get a taste of this
<v Speaker 5>against very six well song in nineteen eighty nine. May
<v Speaker 5>have heard of it. May surprise you. Let's do it, Dunloaks,
<v Speaker 5>wild thing.
<v Speaker 2>Awesome. All right.
<v Speaker 3>So on that debut album they had a lot of success.
<v Speaker 3>They didn't have any number ones, but it was a
<v Speaker 3>platinum album for them. They came back from the tour.
<v Speaker 5>When they come back from tour, in eleven months of
<v Speaker 5>killing it every night, hard work, eleven straight months supporting
<v Speaker 5>the album, they get back, the manager of the record
<v Speaker 5>company says, great job. You guys did awesome. You lost
<v Speaker 5>three million dollars in a new record.
<v Speaker 6>What squeeze.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, So they've got another album to come out with
<v Speaker 3>and before we leave, before we leave Van Halen One,
<v Speaker 3>we shouldn't forget that there are many other good songs
<v Speaker 3>on there, and this is one of those few albums
<v Speaker 3>that exists in history that is good from beginning to end.
<v Speaker 3>There are no bad songs, there are no throwaway tracks.
<v Speaker 3>Feel Your Love Tonight is one that's on there that
<v Speaker 3>we didn't mention.
<v Speaker 5>One of my favorites that we don't. It kind of
<v Speaker 5>gets overlook, but he gets some radio play. It's called
<v Speaker 5>ice Cream Man.
<v Speaker 3>I Love ice Cream Man. It was cover of an
<v Speaker 3>old blues song and it's the only song maybe maybe
<v Speaker 3>on any of the albums. I haven't really researched it out,
<v Speaker 3>but definitely on this album. It's the only one that
<v Speaker 3>Dave is playing some guitar on.
<v Speaker 2>He's the one for the.
<v Speaker 5>I don't even know Dave could play the guitar well.
<v Speaker 3>The song part that he's playing is not terribly complicent.
<v Speaker 3>You'd probably play it with only two fingers, you know.
<v Speaker 3>But wisely, you know. Dave said when he first saw
<v Speaker 3>them on stage before he had joined the band, he
<v Speaker 3>saw Eddie play and he said, what he does with
<v Speaker 3>his hands, I want to.
<v Speaker 2>Do with my feet and my voice.
<v Speaker 3>He knew his place, he knew what he needed to do,
<v Speaker 3>and he knew where his skill sets. No your limitations,
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<v Speaker 3>Might as well jump wack it. So you had ice cream, man,
<v Speaker 3>you had Feel your Love. We have several other great
<v Speaker 3>songs on the album, but we obviously don't have time
<v Speaker 3>to go through all of those. After that, they come back,
<v Speaker 3>Warner Brothers said we need a new album, and the
<v Speaker 3>album that comes out is and Aalen two and Aalen two.
<v Speaker 3>Several great songs on that album. A couple of my
<v Speaker 3>favorites are beautiful Girls. Their big big hit was Dance
<v Speaker 3>the Night.
<v Speaker 5>Away, the night great song.
<v Speaker 3>Dance, Yeah, and it was again you're seeing this this
<v Speaker 3>bringing what people wanted from disco into rock and roll right.
<v Speaker 3>Dance the Night Away is Dave obviously Dave's influence and
<v Speaker 3>making something showy and glamorous with the hard rock and
<v Speaker 3>rock behind it.
<v Speaker 5>Also, another notable song I think is the opening one's
<v Speaker 5>You're No Good. It's Van Halen's version of the Linda Ronstads.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know that I've actually heard that version.
<v Speaker 3>Let's I want to listen to it. We'll play a
<v Speaker 3>example of that real quick.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 3>Well, I gotta say honestly, that was one of the
<v Speaker 3>rare circumstances where they took somebody's song and I don't
<v Speaker 3>think they made it better.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't.
<v Speaker 5>I didn't like it that much.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Now I think Linda Ronstad, I mean number one, she's
<v Speaker 3>she's hot back then, and she was hot. She got
<v Speaker 3>a great voice, beautiful voice. Usually had Eagles back thank
<v Speaker 3>you too?
<v Speaker 2>Ye was? I wonder if they backed her on that song.
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember. I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>So anyway, moving on, we've we've hit Van Halen two.
<v Speaker 3>And you know how long it took them to record
<v Speaker 3>this song or this album.
<v Speaker 5>Sorry, this isn't crazy, I really don't understand it. But
<v Speaker 5>they started recording December tenth, nineteen seventy eight.
<v Speaker 6>They were finished.
<v Speaker 5>Recording this album December sixteenth, nineteen seventy eight.
<v Speaker 6>That's six days.
<v Speaker 2>Holy crap.
<v Speaker 5>I guess they wanted to get it in before Christmas.
<v Speaker 2>They had to do some shopping or something. Hi.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it was released March twenty third, nineteen seventy nine.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so they released Van Halen one in January of
<v Speaker 3>seventy eight. They released Van Halen two in March of
<v Speaker 3>seventy nine, and what have we got after that one?
<v Speaker 3>So they tour and then the next album they go
<v Speaker 3>in the studio is Women and Children First, and it
<v Speaker 3>comes out in nineteen eighty. The big song that I
<v Speaker 3>remember from that album is Everybody Wants Some, which is
<v Speaker 3>still getting record play today.
<v Speaker 2>I love it's still a great song.
<v Speaker 5>It is a great song. And for those of you
<v Speaker 5>who maybe I don't know if.
<v Speaker 3>You're like me, but the movie Better Off Dead with
<v Speaker 3>John Cusack, there's a big sort of dancing Hamburger animation
<v Speaker 3>thing in the middle that is set to Everybody Wants
<v Speaker 3>Some And that's how I learned that song. That's a
<v Speaker 3>weird scene. That is a strange, strange scene.
<v Speaker 5>I guess at movie. We need to talk about that
<v Speaker 5>movie sometimes.
<v Speaker 3>All right, So then anything else to say about women
<v Speaker 3>and children.
<v Speaker 5>Are only on the one another.
<v Speaker 2>You know.
<v Speaker 5>Another big song was and the Cradle Will Rock.
<v Speaker 3>And the credle Wile Rock reached number fifty five on
<v Speaker 3>the Hot one hundred. At this point, there's still really
<v Speaker 3>not seeing very many rock songs. They are still one
<v Speaker 3>of the few bands that you that you're seeing on them.
<v Speaker 5>Nineteen eighty is the time when sort of Kenny Rogers
<v Speaker 5>and sort of pop country was big on the charts.
<v Speaker 3>Sure you had southern rock doing well as well, but
<v Speaker 3>it just still wasn't the hard rock. Other than Van Halen.
<v Speaker 3>They were the guys that were that were the soul
<v Speaker 3>soldiers march in that tune.
<v Speaker 5>So after this album comes out, they go on a
<v Speaker 5>tour YEP. So it's like album tour, album tour, album tour.
<v Speaker 2>Working hard like they did when before they were famous.
<v Speaker 5>Okay, so nineteen Eightion one comes along and this whole
<v Speaker 5>time Eddie's been working on material. He wants to come
<v Speaker 5>up with a solo album, and that's what Fair Warning
<v Speaker 5>was actually intended to be, was an Eddie van Halen
<v Speaker 5>solo album. And that's why it's a little more darker,
<v Speaker 5>a little more guitar heavy.
<v Speaker 2>It's creepy.
<v Speaker 5>Not a fan.
<v Speaker 3>It's I'm not a fan of Unchained is great, Don't
<v Speaker 3>be wrong. I love Unchained. It's a great song, but
<v Speaker 3>the majority of the album is not. It's not to
<v Speaker 3>my text. And I'm not saying this it's a bad album.
<v Speaker 3>It's and there are tons of diehard fans that will
<v Speaker 3>love it, but it's just not my It wasn't my
<v Speaker 3>favorite me either.
<v Speaker 5>Unchained is phenomenal.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that song, that's the bright shining star on that
<v Speaker 3>album for sure.
<v Speaker 2>Without me.
<v Speaker 5>A lot of people don't realize. But at this time
<v Speaker 5>in nineteen eighty one, this is when we have the
<v Speaker 5>first major tension between Eddie and Dave. Dave is wanting
<v Speaker 5>to be more pop, Eddie wants to be more rock.
<v Speaker 5>That's crazy because they flip sides later on absolutely flip sides.
<v Speaker 5>So Dave wants to.
<v Speaker 3>Be more pop, Eddie wants to be more rock and
<v Speaker 3>everybody's getting tired of Dave's ego. I think, yeah, absolutely,
<v Speaker 3>And Eddie can be a pain in the butt too,
<v Speaker 3>and you couple him with Alex and the thing about
<v Speaker 3>people who are able to achieve this type of success
<v Speaker 3>in these type of fields is that they have to
<v Speaker 3>be they have to be kind of full of themselves.
<v Speaker 3>They have to be extremely confident, which is led them
<v Speaker 3>to each other. I mean, Dave saw Eddie's ability and
<v Speaker 3>confidence on the stage. They saw Dave's swagger and thought,
<v Speaker 3>this will be something that fits for what we want.
<v Speaker 3>And so obviously it works very very well. But those
<v Speaker 3>tensions will eventually come to a head.
<v Speaker 5>Right, Okay, So moving on past nineteen eighty one, past
<v Speaker 5>Fair Warning, which to me, the only thing worth talking
<v Speaker 5>about on that album is unchained. You go into nineteen
<v Speaker 5>eighty two, they come up with this idea that, hey,
<v Speaker 5>we need to take some time off, but we want
<v Speaker 5>to stay relevant, we want to stay out front. Let's
<v Speaker 5>I got an idea. Let's just do a cover song,
<v Speaker 5>put it out there, we'll make a video for it,
<v Speaker 5>and we'll stay in front of people. And so Dave
<v Speaker 5>comes up with the idea and he says, let's do
<v Speaker 5>Dancing in.
<v Speaker 3>The Street, right, And Eddie says, no, I don't think
<v Speaker 3>that's a good one.
<v Speaker 2>Let's do pretty Woman.
<v Speaker 3>So Eddie says, I can't find the guitar part in
<v Speaker 3>Dancing the Street. Let's do Pretty Woman by Roy Orbison.
<v Speaker 3>And so they say, okay, let's do it, and they
<v Speaker 3>come up with it and it's and it's great, and
<v Speaker 3>they put it out and it's this massive hit number twelve,
<v Speaker 3>reach number twelve, which, again, knowing that what we know,
<v Speaker 3>what we've said so far, a hard rock version of
<v Speaker 3>pretty Woman getting that high on the chart is amazing,
<v Speaker 3>but it locks them into another issue, that's right, And
<v Speaker 3>the record company says, you got this hit song, but
<v Speaker 3>we don't have an album.
<v Speaker 5>We've got to have an album. You guys got to
<v Speaker 5>get back in the studio and produce an album to
<v Speaker 5>go with this hit song. Right, Which, before we get
<v Speaker 5>into that, have you ever watched the video for Pretty Women? No,
<v Speaker 5>it is the weirdest Okay, So we know music videos
<v Speaker 5>at nineteen eighty two, you know, are weird and they're cheap,
<v Speaker 5>and they're all these things.
<v Speaker 2>Right.
<v Speaker 3>Nineteen eighty one, by the way, just for a reminder,
<v Speaker 3>is when MTV first came out late eighty one. August
<v Speaker 3>of eighty one is when MTV came out, right, and
<v Speaker 3>so in eighty two the music video there. There's less
<v Speaker 3>than three hundred music.
<v Speaker 5>Videos out there. So this move this music video Pretty Woman,
<v Speaker 5>if you watch it, you have these midgets who are
<v Speaker 5>sexually assaulting this woman who is tied up.
<v Speaker 2>They are groping her. Oh my Goshkay.
<v Speaker 5>And so Michael Anthony gets a phone call, but he's
<v Speaker 5>a samurai, and then he calls his friend jungle Boy
<v Speaker 5>Alex van Halen, who's like, you know, he's got bones
<v Speaker 5>and he's like a capeman. So he calls his friend
<v Speaker 5>Gunslinger Eddie van Halen, who then calls his friend David
<v Speaker 5>Lee Roth, who is dressed like George Washington.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, now, actually I can I can kind of remember
<v Speaker 3>that part because he had a very adam aunt look
<v Speaker 3>about him with his yeah, with his George Washington thing.
<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking that I just have blocked out the midget problem.
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that's a PC anymore.
<v Speaker 2>Little people. He's being attacked by the little people.
<v Speaker 5>This woman is being assaulted by little people. So yeah,
<v Speaker 5>back to the album. Five of the twelve songs are.
<v Speaker 3>Covers, right, and this is this album is diver Down, right,
<v Speaker 3>This is diver Down.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So the album that they produce when they realize
<v Speaker 3>that Pretty Woman is such a big success is diver Down.
<v Speaker 3>And as you've said, several covers and the band they're
<v Speaker 3>not getting along and they really kind of consider this
<v Speaker 3>Dave's album because they would never have done this many
<v Speaker 3>covers on an album, that's right.
<v Speaker 5>And this is the van Halen Brothers very public least favorite.
<v Speaker 3>Album, absolutely, and it's the least favorite album of the
<v Speaker 3>Roth albums for most folks, I think. But it let's
<v Speaker 3>keep in mind they set a world record at this
<v Speaker 3>point in their career, which kind of indicates it doesn't
<v Speaker 3>really matter that they're not doing what they feel is
<v Speaker 3>their best work at this Just after their tour for this,
<v Speaker 3>they they decide they got to get away from each other.
<v Speaker 3>Dave goes with their head of security and they travel
<v Speaker 3>down to the Amazon. Now, you know, the rest of
<v Speaker 3>the guys are married and they've got you know, they're
<v Speaker 3>going to go be with their wives and family. But
<v Speaker 3>Dave and a handful of security guys are down there
<v Speaker 3>on a boat in the Amazon, in the jungle Interestingly,
<v Speaker 3>this guy, the security guard who is their head of
<v Speaker 3>security and looked like a total kick butt guy, said
<v Speaker 3>that he you know, when they put him in charge
<v Speaker 3>of security. The first thing that they have said to
<v Speaker 3>Hi when he came in is do you have a
<v Speaker 3>problem with h drugging and drinking? No, he goes, do
<v Speaker 3>you have a problem with underage girls running around and
<v Speaker 3>have a fun And he goes no, And he goes
<v Speaker 3>can you roller skate? And the guy says no, what
<v Speaker 3>I can learn? And so he was. He was their
<v Speaker 3>head of security, and he developed a system where if
<v Speaker 3>there was going to be a problem in the crowd,
<v Speaker 3>they had sectors and zones of the crowd, like ay
<v Speaker 3>problem in Sector five, Row seven, man in the black
<v Speaker 3>t shirt. Well, Dave very quickly caught onto this mapping
<v Speaker 3>concept and so even in the middle of the show,
<v Speaker 3>he would be bop himself over to one of the
<v Speaker 3>security guards.
<v Speaker 2>And go okay.
<v Speaker 3>Sector fix fifteen wrote three red shirt blonde giver backstage
<v Speaker 3>pass And so all of this there was a system
<v Speaker 3>like all of the security guards would hand out the
<v Speaker 3>backstage passes for Dave and maybe for the other guys,
<v Speaker 3>but really for Dave, and they would sign their name
<v Speaker 3>to the back of the pass. And if Dave had
<v Speaker 3>a deep and meaningful conversation with one of these ladies
<v Speaker 3>that had the badge, the guy who had the name
<v Speaker 3>on the back of the backstage pass, he got a
<v Speaker 3>little extra money and got a nice tips, and if
<v Speaker 3>it was really deep and really long, he got.
<v Speaker 2>A lot of extra money. That's right.
<v Speaker 5>So centivizing the help.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, yeah, exactly. You gotta know where your
<v Speaker 3>priorities are. Use the system that's in place.
<v Speaker 5>So Dave in the jungle.
<v Speaker 3>So Dave's in the jungle with the security guard. They
<v Speaker 3>they end up in one port. They call back to
<v Speaker 3>that to the US to talk to people, and they're like, hey,
<v Speaker 3>you guys got to get back. We have been asked
<v Speaker 3>to do the US Festival. And so the US Festival
<v Speaker 3>was something that had been put together the year before
<v Speaker 3>by Steve Wozniak. It was of Apple computer fame, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>co founder of Apple with Steve jobs and he was
<v Speaker 3>disenfranchised with the seventies, which had been the ME generation,
<v Speaker 3>and so he put together this thing called the US
<v Speaker 3>Festival because he wanted the eighties to be the US
<v Speaker 3>generation and the headlining band for that for that festival
<v Speaker 3>was Van Aalen van Halen. And do you know what
<v Speaker 3>the record is that they set so.
<v Speaker 2>Guinness Book a world record.
<v Speaker 5>They got one point five million dollars for a ninety
<v Speaker 5>minute set.
<v Speaker 3>So they they do an hour and a half set.
<v Speaker 3>They make more money than anybody has that but tensions
<v Speaker 3>are still high.
<v Speaker 5>Tensions are high. Even a million dollars an hour can't
<v Speaker 5>cure some of the tensions that are going on. Okay,
<v Speaker 5>So during nineteen eighty three they begin working on a
<v Speaker 5>new album YEP, to come out at the very end
<v Speaker 5>of nineteen eighty three, YEP, and that album is called
<v Speaker 5>nineteen eighty four. For me, this is the best of
<v Speaker 5>the Dave albums. This is my introduction to van Halen. Sure,
<v Speaker 5>this is where I jump in, but this is a
<v Speaker 5>new van Halen. So my introduction to van Halen is
<v Speaker 5>the new van Halen, absolutely, which is partly why I
<v Speaker 5>think I'm partial to Sammy later on. But new sound
<v Speaker 5>begins here.
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely it does. So as I said before, this was
<v Speaker 3>my introduction to the band as well. And you couldn't
<v Speaker 3>help but be inundated with jump at that time in history,
<v Speaker 3>it was the it was the first single off the album.
<v Speaker 3>It is their only number one hit, And if you
<v Speaker 3>got the opportunity to watch MTV, it was on all
<v Speaker 3>the time and it was fascinating.
<v Speaker 5>It was fantastic.
<v Speaker 3>It was it was four guys on stage with no crowd.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's just them jumping.
<v Speaker 5>It's like a black room with the black drum cloth.
<v Speaker 6>I mean, there's nothing happening.
<v Speaker 3>There is literally nothing going on. They're in weird clothes
<v Speaker 3>that you know, there's leopard skin coats and tatters of
<v Speaker 3>clothes on stuck on to Dave's body and he's making
<v Speaker 3>love with the camera as much as anybody could and
<v Speaker 3>then doing these amazing acrobatics.
<v Speaker 5>That's a pretty limber guy. Yeah, he can do these
<v Speaker 5>jumping high split kicks.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, doing the full splits up in the air off
<v Speaker 3>of the drum stand.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, does flip in the video. Yeah, And it's fascinating.
<v Speaker 5>I remember Jump being the intro to all the cub
<v Speaker 5>games on WGN, right that whole summer.
<v Speaker 2>Right, Oh wow.
<v Speaker 3>Jump is everywhere. The diehard Van Halen fans are getting
<v Speaker 3>mixed reviews. Some of them are sticking with them, some
<v Speaker 3>of them are like, I don't know what's going on.
<v Speaker 3>With these guys. Now, if you listen to the rest
<v Speaker 3>of nineteen eighty four, there's plenty of pure hard Van
<v Speaker 3>Halen hits on the one, no doubt, and a couple
<v Speaker 3>of them are are popular now. You know, you get
<v Speaker 3>those guys who think they sold out and so then
<v Speaker 3>all of a sudden, if it's popular, they're not interested anymore.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I don't care about you guys, because you love the
<v Speaker 3>popular song.
<v Speaker 5>I love any like radio friendly hits.
<v Speaker 3>That's what resonates with me, right, I like that, I
<v Speaker 3>like that, I don't I'm not one of these guys.
<v Speaker 5>Is like a radio on top forty sucks. Before we
<v Speaker 5>move on from Jump. Yeah, Jump was listed by the
<v Speaker 5>Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as one of five
<v Speaker 5>hundred songs that shaped rock and roll.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so.
<v Speaker 3>Nineteen eighty four is the first single and biggest hit
<v Speaker 3>that they ever had is Jump, as we've said, and
<v Speaker 3>then there are three more singles that come off of
<v Speaker 3>that album, Panama, Hot for Teacher, and I'll Wait. Drop
<v Speaker 3>Dead Legs is another great song of the album, but
<v Speaker 3>I don't have a lot to say about that one.
<v Speaker 5>Drop Dead Legs is a fantastic stripper song.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I don't strip, so I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, so let's talk briefly about that those
<v Speaker 3>three songs. I'll Wait was there was a thirteen hit.
<v Speaker 5>For the second release, it went to number thirteen, the one.
<v Speaker 3>Hundred Yeah, no video, no video for that one, which
<v Speaker 3>is interesting, is as big of a hit as it
<v Speaker 3>was and as obvious video heads that they had become,
<v Speaker 3>especially Dave, but more synthesizer on this song as well.
<v Speaker 3>But the the use of the synthesizer, I'm gonna have
<v Speaker 3>to say, yes, it was a crossover. But that is
<v Speaker 3>why this was the number one hit. That is why
<v Speaker 3>that is why I'll Wait it was such a big hit,
<v Speaker 3>is because that synthesizer allowed them to cross over to
<v Speaker 3>a broader audience than they had ever had before.
<v Speaker 5>Now, no doubt.
<v Speaker 3>And so they've got, uh, they've got these other singles.
<v Speaker 3>I love Panama maybe my favorite song off of the Olden.
<v Speaker 3>Here's something interesting and I didn't bring it up when
<v Speaker 3>we talked about Van Halen's debut album, but they covered
<v Speaker 3>a band when they were in their early stages called Cactus,
<v Speaker 3>which I had never heard before. But there is no question.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the boys have as much admitted, so several
<v Speaker 3>of the songs that they have they totally have borrowed
<v Speaker 3>some part of a song. So for those of you
<v Speaker 3>who want to listen, maybe we can play it here
<v Speaker 3>in just a second Hot for Teacher. The intro to
<v Speaker 3>Hot for Teacher with the drums and the guitar coming
<v Speaker 3>in is just almost identical basically for a song called
<v Speaker 3>Parchment Farm by Cactus.
<v Speaker 6>Stop Swim tea Doc.
<v Speaker 3>Down Ball and then eruption was a song that uh
<v Speaker 3>that they again, the intro was very similar to a
<v Speaker 3>song called let Me Swim by Cactus, and we can
<v Speaker 3>play those side by side as well. Yeah, there's no
<v Speaker 3>question he's borrowed these. You listen to him, it's undeniable.
<v Speaker 5>But he's improved them.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, he's Mozart. There's somebody that nobody's.
<v Speaker 2>Ever heard of. That's right.
<v Speaker 3>So Panama reaches number thirteen on the Hot one hundred. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>Hot for Teacher comes out. It's a This video is
<v Speaker 3>one of my favorite videos.
<v Speaker 2>Of all time. Oh yeah, absolutely, with.
<v Speaker 5>The young Van Halen boys running around the school terrorizing. Right,
<v Speaker 5>you've got miss fizzed and you know, misspelled and miss
<v Speaker 5>science or whatever and those spelled.
<v Speaker 6>Teachers running around. It's it's fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.
<v Speaker 3>You got the beginning part with Waldo and Waldo, You've
<v Speaker 3>got his kind of awkwardly sighing mother, and then when
<v Speaker 3>Waldo speaks, he's got this unusually deep voice.
<v Speaker 2>Oh mom, yeah, no, I'm not like other guys. I'm
<v Speaker 2>nervous on my socks there too.
<v Speaker 3>You know who that voice is right now? That voice
<v Speaker 3>is Phil Hartman of Saturday Night Live fame. Oh Phil Hartman,
<v Speaker 3>God rest his soul. Of course that's him. Oh, that's perfect.
<v Speaker 2>It's on the.
<v Speaker 6>Bus, sat down Waldo.
<v Speaker 3>So Dave is the one that's responsible for the videos
<v Speaker 3>on both Panama and in Panama. You know they I
<v Speaker 3>think they they did a thing that seemed to be
<v Speaker 3>happening a lot back then, which was videos of the
<v Speaker 3>concert where they're flying on cables like bon Jovi is doing.
<v Speaker 5>The same and living on a prayer and doon Jovi.
<v Speaker 2>Was like bouncing all over the place. They look awful.
<v Speaker 3>These guys look fun, right, They're they're flying and drinking
<v Speaker 3>beer and playing the guitar.
<v Speaker 2>Uh.
<v Speaker 3>It's it's amazing stuff. And so they've their success is
<v Speaker 3>beyond what has it has ever been in history They
<v Speaker 3>are literally at the top of their game and they
<v Speaker 3>hate each other.
<v Speaker 5>This is where it falls apart. Dave's ego is out
<v Speaker 5>of control.
<v Speaker 3>At this point, Eddie and and Dave are lockinhorns, and
<v Speaker 3>Alex sides with Eddie of course, of course, and Michael's
<v Speaker 3>in the crossfire. But Dave comes up with a new album,
<v Speaker 3>a solo album called Crazy from the Heat right, so
<v Speaker 3>he had he had criticized Eddie in the past for
<v Speaker 3>playing with Michael Jackson. This is something we talked about
<v Speaker 3>on our first episode that, uh, the you know, the
<v Speaker 3>guys were doing other things. Michael calls Eddie we played
<v Speaker 3>guitar in the song shirt and then that one ends
<v Speaker 3>up being a number one hit and the album keeps
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty four from reaching number one status as an
<v Speaker 3>album Sodve and the guys are pretty pissed about that,
<v Speaker 3>and you see it in one of his videos that
<v Speaker 3>comes out from that solo album. It's he kind of
<v Speaker 3>is mocking Michael Jackson in the just a Jigglo video.
<v Speaker 3>As all of this is going on, is that they
<v Speaker 3>would call these band meetings to get together and write
<v Speaker 3>songs and talk about.
<v Speaker 2>What was going to happen, you know.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so they would have these band meetings at eight
<v Speaker 5>o'clock in the morning, which is crazy for a rock
<v Speaker 5>band to try to do anything at eight o'clock in
<v Speaker 5>the morning. But the group consensus is, anytime you heard
<v Speaker 5>the words band meeting, everybody was like, oh gosh, So
<v Speaker 5>eight o'clock in the morning, they were supposed to be
<v Speaker 5>there to write and play music. Dave would show about eleven,
<v Speaker 5>start a fight, and then leave.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, probably with a couple girls.
<v Speaker 5>Right right, And I can tally see Dave doing.
<v Speaker 3>This, Yeah, absolutely, And so then just like he was
<v Speaker 3>upset about he walked, He unbeknownst to them, goes and
<v Speaker 3>finds another group of guys to play with produces an album,
<v Speaker 3>a four song album, which he says, hey, you know,
<v Speaker 3>any album's only got four good songs on it. Anyway,
<v Speaker 3>I'm just cutting off the fat. As it turned out,
<v Speaker 3>there were only really two good songs on the album,
<v Speaker 3>so it's still worked out to be about the same.
<v Speaker 3>But as a surprise to the remainder of the band,
<v Speaker 3>he releases Crazy from the Heat. Now he I guess
<v Speaker 3>this is the ego speaking right here. He does an
<v Speaker 3>interview with David Letterman in early eighty five talking about that,
<v Speaker 3>and Dave is trying to find out what's going to
<v Speaker 3>happen with the rest of the band.
<v Speaker 4>I think now's a good time on New Year's to
<v Speaker 4>decide whether you're going to be a hot dog or
<v Speaker 4>a little weenie.
<v Speaker 6>I well, I have beautiful.
<v Speaker 4>I have chosen to remain a little wiener for one
<v Speaker 4>more season.
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna be a weenie for another year. Yeah, you bet.
<v Speaker 3>When you're doing solo work, is the is the Does
<v Speaker 3>this mean that the band will soon be breaking up?
<v Speaker 4>No, No, that happens. You know that does happen. That's
<v Speaker 4>that's the spinal tap story. Now. I still have very
<v Speaker 4>I still have very strong tribal instincts. And we'll be
<v Speaker 4>going into the studio like the middle of this month
<v Speaker 4>and start arguing again, and we'll come back out with
<v Speaker 4>an album sometime this year.
<v Speaker 2>Hopefully.
<v Speaker 3>He has this full expectation that the band's going to
<v Speaker 3>stay together. But you just you can't do that. You
<v Speaker 3>can't be the guy who goes and trashes the meetings,
<v Speaker 3>the guy who berates somebody for going and doing work
<v Speaker 3>with other people, and then pull off this stunt and
<v Speaker 3>expect to remain in the band.
<v Speaker 5>He also had a movie deal on the table that
<v Speaker 5>was annoying the band as well.
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, as we've as I said earlier, he
<v Speaker 3>was the he was the directing force behind their videos,
<v Speaker 3>which are fantastic. I mean, they're great, well put together videos.
<v Speaker 3>He's obviously playing a part in this. He's developed this
<v Speaker 3>kind of Dave TV idea, which is the you know.
<v Speaker 5>It was the big thing for about five minutes ago.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he really really was coming up strong. But there's
<v Speaker 3>only so much wind power that can take you when
<v Speaker 3>you don't have your name band behind you, that's right.
<v Speaker 5>So we've heard rumors that he was fired, we've heard
<v Speaker 5>rumors that he quit.
<v Speaker 2>Either way, I.
<v Speaker 3>Don't think there's any question that he made a decision
<v Speaker 3>that led to his exit from the band, but that
<v Speaker 3>that decision was probably not his to leave. But there's
<v Speaker 3>to say, you don't belong here anymore. You've pushed it
<v Speaker 3>too far.
<v Speaker 5>So Dave's out.
<v Speaker 2>Dave is out.
<v Speaker 5>Dave's out in nineteen eighty five, right at the pinnacle
<v Speaker 5>of their professional career.
<v Speaker 3>Right, and so everyone is wondering what's going to go on,
<v Speaker 3>including Eddie and Alex. They don't know what to do.
<v Speaker 3>They don't know whether to get another bass player. They
<v Speaker 3>don't know whether to do a kind of compilation album
<v Speaker 3>where they've got multiple singers performing different songs with them,
<v Speaker 3>or to try to find one singer that they can
<v Speaker 3>go with. That's right, and the smart money at this
<v Speaker 3>time was probably on Dave. Yeah you were if you
<v Speaker 3>were like, who am I going to back? Is it
<v Speaker 3>going to be Dave or van Halen? I mean, van
<v Speaker 3>Halen is not van Halen without David le Roth.
<v Speaker 2>It's just not.
<v Speaker 5>And that's why Ted Timberman went with Dave to produce
<v Speaker 5>Ediman Smile.
<v Speaker 3>Right, And he called Eddie and said, I'm sorry, I
<v Speaker 3>got to go with Dave on this and the crew too,
<v Speaker 3>and Eddie said, that's okay. I don't really want you
<v Speaker 3>to produce our albums anymore.
<v Speaker 2>Anyway.
<v Speaker 3>Well, he didn't take everybody. Don Landy stayed with them.
<v Speaker 3>Don Landy then became instead of the sound engineer, he
<v Speaker 3>became the producer. He became the new Ted Templeman.
<v Speaker 2>All right.
<v Speaker 5>So there's some discussion in nineteen eighty five about whether
<v Speaker 5>or not to hire a full time lead singer or
<v Speaker 5>to just do an album with guest lead singers, right,
<v Speaker 5>but one of the So here are the names that
<v Speaker 5>are kicked around as Dave's replacement, and some of these
<v Speaker 5>blew me away by all accounts, including hers and Eddie's.
<v Speaker 5>The lead option to replace Dave is Patty smythe great voice.
<v Speaker 5>Not sure she's a fit for van Halen.
<v Speaker 3>No freaking way, no, all right, And so she was
<v Speaker 3>the lead option. I think Patty Benatar. That would have
<v Speaker 3>been a great one.
<v Speaker 5>Patty ben Atar could have been an option.
<v Speaker 3>That ben Atara had some kickbuck songs and was walking.
<v Speaker 5>Beacon away man, all right. Option number two Jimmy Barnes,
<v Speaker 5>which if you've.
<v Speaker 3>Ever seen The Lost Boys, you're familiar with the song
<v Speaker 3>good Times. Oh yeah, that was the one that he
<v Speaker 3>did with in excess. That's right, that's a great that's
<v Speaker 3>a great tune. And he does he's got a strong voice.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if it's the right voice, but it's
<v Speaker 3>it's it's more, it's deeper, more like Dave's.
<v Speaker 5>Yep, it's a it's a screamer. It's a screamer, all right.
<v Speaker 5>And then option number three, guy named Eric Martin, who
<v Speaker 5>you'll know if you have heard nineties music at all.
<v Speaker 5>The song to be with You by mister Big.
<v Speaker 3>Come on baby, come on over, let it be. You
<v Speaker 3>don't want to show you. So he was the lead
<v Speaker 3>singer for mister Big. He was, Okay, that's an entirely
<v Speaker 3>different semi voice, absolutely softer. He's still got a raspby
<v Speaker 3>good voice, melodic. But this is the one that blew
<v Speaker 3>me away. This was an actual offer on the table.
<v Speaker 5>Darryl Hall of Hollowise.
<v Speaker 2>I love Hallowose.
<v Speaker 3>I listened to that. I listened to uh Lion Eyes
<v Speaker 3>with Private Eyes, thank you? Yeah, sorry, yeah, I listened
<v Speaker 3>to Private Eyes over and over.
<v Speaker 2>But I'm not a Van Halen.
<v Speaker 5>How about how about Eddie Plane your kisses on my
<v Speaker 5>lips kiss.
<v Speaker 2>Unchained melody or something?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, no way.
<v Speaker 2>All right.
<v Speaker 5>So there's very few people that I can actually step
<v Speaker 5>in for Dave. They have to be established or the
<v Speaker 5>fan base of Chewno. Right, they have to have balls
<v Speaker 5>of steel to get up there and rock out to
<v Speaker 5>these old ones and then pursue a.
<v Speaker 2>New career with these guys. Right, So who they go to?
<v Speaker 5>They go back to the Montrose guy they call Sam
<v Speaker 5>Hagar And.
<v Speaker 3>It makes it does make absolute sense, And I thought
<v Speaker 3>so at the time. You know, the he had done
<v Speaker 3>very well with Montrose, had been very successful. Then he
<v Speaker 3>went out on his own solo career. Everybody knows the
<v Speaker 3>song I Can't Drive fifty five. Loved the video of
<v Speaker 3>fast cars frustration with this For you younger listeners. In
<v Speaker 3>the nineteen eighties, no one was allowed to drive over
<v Speaker 3>fifty five miles an hour anywhere in the United States.
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine how.
<v Speaker 3>Horrible that was, especially if you own a Lamborghini.
<v Speaker 5>That's right, that's right.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's just like, you know, here's the candy,
<v Speaker 3>but you can keep the wrapper on it.
<v Speaker 2>You can't, I don't. That'd be horrible.
<v Speaker 3>And so as it turns out that the Lamborghini that
<v Speaker 3>you see, and well maybe not that one, but a
<v Speaker 3>Sammy Hagar Lamborghini comes into play with the joining of
<v Speaker 3>Eddie van Hans exactly right, and Sammy Hagar Sammy's cars
<v Speaker 3>in the shop right at the same time Eddie's cars
<v Speaker 3>in this Yeah, Eddie also had Lamborghini, which, by the way,
<v Speaker 3>that is that is the car engine that you hear
<v Speaker 3>in Panama.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we'll run a little bit hot tonight. I can
<v Speaker 6>barely see the road from.
<v Speaker 2>The heat coming on.
<v Speaker 3>So that's that is Eddie's nineteen seventy two Lamborghini. But
<v Speaker 3>he's having trouble with it. He takes it to his
<v Speaker 3>mechanic and is down, and the mechanic says, what's wrong Eddie,
<v Speaker 3>And Eddie says, man, I need a new lead singer.
<v Speaker 3>And he says, man, want's you call Sammy?
<v Speaker 2>Sammy from Montrose.
<v Speaker 6>Right, So I thought this was interesting.
<v Speaker 5>So Eddie actually takes his advice, calls Sammy and says, hey, man,
<v Speaker 5>we'd love to come down with the jam with the band.
<v Speaker 5>Let's let's see what we got here and come down tomorrow.
<v Speaker 5>And Samy's like, man, I do nothing tomorrow.
<v Speaker 6>I just got off tour.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he just shaved his head. I mean it was
<v Speaker 2>I mean he cut his hair.
<v Speaker 3>It was he had he was on vacation, right, I'm
<v Speaker 3>taking a break. And honestly, he's one of the few
<v Speaker 3>guys that could say I don't need you guys right now,
<v Speaker 3>that's right. I'm I'm really successful on my own. I'm
<v Speaker 3>not Van Halen successful, but I'm successful enough for me.
<v Speaker 3>And he is a savvy businessman. If you learn anything
<v Speaker 3>from his biography, it's that he he knows how to
<v Speaker 3>run a business, and he's a business guy, and he's
<v Speaker 3>been around for a long time. He's older than all
<v Speaker 3>the rest of the guys, and he knows his stuff,
<v Speaker 3>so he's got no reason to have to do this.
<v Speaker 3>But he just says, you know, what the heck, it's
<v Speaker 3>what's the harm in meeting.
<v Speaker 5>I heard him say publicly in an interview that he
<v Speaker 5>went initially.
<v Speaker 6>To Jim see what, see what they had, see what.
<v Speaker 3>Was going to go on, and hopefully entice Eddie to
<v Speaker 3>play on his next album.
<v Speaker 5>Oh nice for my friendship. Maybe Eddie will play on
<v Speaker 5>my next album. Right when they get together, he shows up,
<v Speaker 5>he said that.
<v Speaker 2>They're baked out of their minds.
<v Speaker 5>They are drunk, and the whole place is covered in
<v Speaker 5>cigarette butts and it smells like a bar that hasn't
<v Speaker 5>been cleaned in ten years.
<v Speaker 3>And they start playing.
<v Speaker 5>They start playing, and magic happens.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, he says to himself, my gosh, if they
<v Speaker 3>can sound this good, completely burned out of their minds.
<v Speaker 3>These guys know how to party and they know how
<v Speaker 3>to play. This is my type of show.
<v Speaker 6>He said literally that day.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they played, and words just sort of came out
<v Speaker 5>of his mouth and Summer Nights was born out of
<v Speaker 5>that jam session, right, just flowed right.
<v Speaker 2>Out, scouting, scouting the melody. That's it. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>So uh, he's he's known as the red Rocker at
<v Speaker 3>that point, and and he's got his own fame. And
<v Speaker 3>so the first time that I saw him other than
<v Speaker 3>in his video was during Farm Aid which gosh, if
<v Speaker 3>you go back, you can search. You can do a
<v Speaker 3>YouTube search on this one and see the old farm
<v Speaker 3>Maide video.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my, oh my, oh my, okay, that's the song.
<v Speaker 6>Are you trying to pull him on the out there?
<v Speaker 4>Come on?
<v Speaker 3>I can't drive you all that he was.
<v Speaker 2>He was a unique guy.
<v Speaker 3>He's he's very free with the language, very colorful, and
<v Speaker 3>he's with his regular band.
<v Speaker 2>And then he says he's looking.
<v Speaker 3>At the newspaper, right, and it said that Eddie.
<v Speaker 6>Was gonna jam with me, And I thought, well, I
<v Speaker 6>didn't know that.
<v Speaker 3>But Eddie comes out and they play together and they
<v Speaker 3>do an old led Zeppelin tune and they kill it.
<v Speaker 2>They killed of course, they kill it.
<v Speaker 5>So I heard Sammy talk about how he really messed
<v Speaker 5>up because this was for all the world to see
<v Speaker 5>their first chance to play live as a group, and
<v Speaker 5>he bombs it with the big mffort and they cut
<v Speaker 5>him off, like they shut down.
<v Speaker 3>It's no longer televised. Oh so I saw a lot
<v Speaker 3>of cuss wordies whenever I watched it.
<v Speaker 2>I remember that.
<v Speaker 3>So anyway, Warner Brothers, so it's kind of like a supergroup.
<v Speaker 3>You've got a very successful solo artist. You've got the
<v Speaker 3>three parts left over after Dave left, right, are we
<v Speaker 3>still going to be Van Halen? Warner Brothers actually came
<v Speaker 3>to him and said, would you consider changing your name
<v Speaker 3>to van Hagar?
<v Speaker 5>Which I think is interesting. I thought that was always
<v Speaker 5>just kind of a slang.
<v Speaker 3>Term, but yeah, like a or The first time I
<v Speaker 3>heard it was on the movie Joe Dirt.
<v Speaker 6>No, sir, man, I don't like that crap. I'm a
<v Speaker 6>rocker dude, through and through.
<v Speaker 3>Here's my favorite bands, AC DC, Van Halen, not Van Hagar,
<v Speaker 3>and Sammy's the one who says, no way, not doing
<v Speaker 3>it right. So anyway, Sammy officially joins the band in
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty five, and we will take that up on
<v Speaker 3>our next episode, part three of the Van Halen versus
<v Speaker 3>Van Hagar discussion.
<v Speaker 6>Right next week, Van Hagar.
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