#525 - Trisha Yearwood on People Driving By Her House + Being Told She Wasn’t a Good Songwriter + She and Garth Going to the Grocery Store Regularly + Her Death Row Meal + How She was Almost Part of a Country Band

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Speaker 1: I'm always nervous when an album comes out, and for this one, I'm just not. I don't have an expectation other than I love what I'm doing and I feel such peace about this project that you may love it, it might not be your thing, and I'm good with that.

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Speaker 2: I'm good with however that, however it falls.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to episode five twenty five with Trisha Yearwood. She has an album coming out, not this Friday, but next Friday. If you're hearing this unreleased date called The Mirror. That album comes out July eighteenth. It was nice to have doctor to doctor talk.

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Speaker 4: Do you know that two doctors?

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Speaker 3: Yep, both honorary though yeah, notither one of us could write prescriptions. She was awarded an honorary doctorate from Nashville's Belmont University, where she graduated in nineteen eighty six with a degree in music business. Man, I should asked her about that, what it's like to be a doctor, and then throw my own flex in there.

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Speaker 4: We love Tricia.

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Speaker 3: She has some dates coming up in Nashville with the Symphony on December second and third, Newark, New Jersey December fifth, Pittsburgh on December eighteenth, and Detroit with the Symphony on December nineteenth. She is a massive superstar. She's always super cool and here she is Tricia yearwould.

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Speaker 4: Tricia go to see you again?

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Speaker 3: The last time we did this, I think you said it it was two houses ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah for you.

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know where I might have been living in Oklahoma. I don't even know. I can't remember. It's been a long time. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't think, so maybe not.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I remember it back here.

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Speaker 4: I remember it was when Girl the Big it was a big band.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so it was I was here. It was eighteen nineteen somewhere there. Yeah, I was here COVID. Also, I'm still in the same house.

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Speaker 4: I am not my wife.

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Speaker 3: What's interesting is that my wife said to me, you know, you're used to moving, and I said yeah, And then I obviously therapy did it and rooted it. And like growing up, we were never in that same house more than two years, and I never thought of it, like it being real life stuff. We got kicked out or had to move trailers or moved a different apartment or something. And so as I began to like have some success, it was always I just moved another house it's crazy. I never thought about that until she said that. Yeah, and so we I have with her. We had weirdos. So we had to move from our last house we had There was an accessible road.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, can't you can't have and that was and that stupid tour bus drives by and would tell people where we lived.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well I used to live in Brentwood and my house was on the list and I would be in my front yard and my pajamas, you know, and I had a fence and a gate, and but it's it was a you know, four acre lot, and the bus would drive by and they'd get out and take pictures and it's I mean, you know, I you know, it sounds like oh poor you guys. People know who you are, but you know, your home is your sanctuary. That's the one place that you should be able to just be yourself.

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Speaker 3: And I think if they would have just chilled on the bus, that had been good. But they would like getting their cars and then drive back by themselves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it was like, ah, you seem like everybody's friend.

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Speaker 3: So everyone was saying, Ah, you're wrong, everybody, I'm nobody's friend.

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Speaker 4: I'm only here Amy on my show.

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Speaker 3: We were talking about you on the air and she said she maybe you played the Bluebird, Yeah lately, Yeah, And she was talking about something from The Bluebird and she said, you know Church. She said that when she started that she was just kind of told to sing these songs and that.

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Speaker 4: And I'm paraphrasing, so you can tell me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 3: And she said, but you know, now this new album, this new project she has, she's actually writing some of the songs.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, I did not know that. How accurate is that?

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Speaker 1: Well, the writing, the part is accurate. I wasn't told to sing the songs. But I was not a confident songwriter. So I picked every song I recorded, and so I don't look back and go, man, I would not have recorded She's Alone with the Boy, but I because Garth Fundus was my longtime producer and he and I chose every song together. But I when I was in college at Belmont, I had a guy tell me that I was not a songwriter. And I didn't really even realize that. It was in there, like talking about moving a lot. You don't know what's in your DNA. You know, the body keeps the score kind of thing. But I must have somehow, and I just I believed it. And so when I did write some in the early nineties, and I never recorded anything that I wrote, but I just didn't. When I went to work with Garth Fundus, I never said, Hey, I'd like to write something for this project. It just never occurred to me to even say it. He wouldn't have said no, you can't. But I didn't believe in myself, and so anytime anybody would say they want to write with me, I'd be like, Oh, you don't want to write with me.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm not really a writer.

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Speaker 1: And something just happened where the switch flipped a couple of years ago, and I was like, this guy who bless his heart, you know, probably doesn't even remember. He said it didn't mean anything to him, but apparently it stuck with me. But I just kind of said, that doesn't have to be the truth just because somebody else said it about me, And it just kind of opened up this whole new world.

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Speaker 2: So it's not.

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Speaker 1: An it doesn't take anything away from I mean, I feel so lucky. I have found the best songs in the world, like the song remembers Win and walk Away Joe and she's in love with the boy. But it's just another level that I have, not that I just I kind of got out of that shell and was like, that doesn't have to be the truth, and it's opened up a whole new world for me. I'm loving it so much. Never intended to make a record of it. It was really therapy. It was like songs on my younger self, and I never thought I would make a record.

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Speaker 3: What context was that conversation where he said, you're probably not a songwriter.

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Speaker 4: You're not a songwriter.

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Speaker 2: Well, a Bellmont, you know everybody.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people at Belmont were singers and songwriters aspiring, and there was a group of us that were buddies, and he was a friend. He and his wife were in school together and we were doing some writing in this group, and he said, let me see all your because I came to Nashville with my stack of poetry and my songs from high school. And so I gave him this stash of stuff and he took it and said and said, I'll get back with you and see if there's anything that we can work on. He brought it all back to me and basically and said, yeah, I don't think you're a songwriter. You're a really good singer, and I just was like, oh, and you know you're It's so personal songwriting is you have to It's so vulnerable to put yourself out there anyway, and if someone gives you some negative feedback, it just shut me down completely.

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Speaker 3: It's a weird mix of you're an impressionable creative age yep, and you're right. It is so personal and impressionable and personable and personal when they meet. If they don't meet almost delicately in the right exact way, I can see where you would be scarred, and not even purposely by the person who's saying it.

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Speaker 1: Right, because I'm sure that you know, I've talked about him, and I feel kind of bad, but I don't have any ill will toward him because it was me that made it the truth and I was nineteen years old. So yeah, it took a long time for that to kind of get out of my head. And even my husband, who you know, he's in several songwriting Hall of Fames. You know, he's been telling me for years, you're a writer. And there's a song on the Chris Kaynes Project actually that I'm a co writer on, but that was pulling teeth where he sat me down and said, tell me about growing up in a small town. And we had this conversation. He made it rhyme, he made a poetry because I was like, I'm not a writer. I'll tell you, I'll tell you what I know. And so I actually went to him after after all this started, and I said, you should write with me. I'm a lot it'd be a lot more fun for you now because and we have written some together, because it's, uh, I just feel different.

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Speaker 4: Tell me about growing up in a small town.

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Speaker 2: I mean, everybody knew your business.

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Speaker 1: You know. It was church on Sunday and football on Friday night, and we had a town square. If you ever saw the movie My cousin Vinnie, it was filmed in my hometown.

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Speaker 4: Really, yeah, that's a movie I never thought that I would like, and then I watched and loved.

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Speaker 2: It's so good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so good.

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Speaker 1: But all those places are real, like the sac of SuDS that they rob is a real place, and the courthouse and the town square and several movies were filmed there.

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Speaker 2: Because it's a really sleepy little town.

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Speaker 1: It really two thousand people in the city limits and we don't have a Walmart. We don't have you know, So it's a great place for a movie because you can kind of go back in time a little bit.

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Speaker 2: But you know, the square was where you didn't hang out.

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Speaker 1: So in my family, like you know, there's no cell phones, there's no but if I was on the square, someone would have called my parents before I got home and they would know that I had been on the square.

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Speaker 2: And nothing could happened on the square.

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Speaker 1: So it was very much a town where I felt a little bit like a fish out of water because I knew at a really young age that I wanted to sing. I knew I wanted to get out of my small town, had no idea how to do it, didn't know anybody in the music industry and everybody else. A lot of people stayed there, and you know, their whole lives, And when I go back now, I have such a love and appreciation for the way I grew up because the grounding the whole town raised me and that I carry with me. But I I can't see myself staying having stayed there.

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Speaker 3: Our stories are similar in that where I came from, nobody really did. I'll say this because we were only shown a version of life, and it was work with mill, or work in Hot Springs, which was town that was you know, Mountain Pine had seven hundred people. So you worked at the mill, or you got a job possibly in town, or you worked at the school.

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Speaker 4: And there weren't people that told me don't do that. They just wasn't It wasn't real, that's the thing. It just wasn't a reality, and it wasn't you can't. But it was like it was looked at as like Hollywood. It was like that's what.

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Speaker 3: You do in the movies. You don't do that in real life. And I'm curious what made you think you actually could?

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Speaker 1: Man, I don't know you could answer the same question. There had to be something in you that knew, well, somebody's on the radio, why can't it be me.

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Speaker 2: There had to be something in there.

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Speaker 1: And I think because even at a really young age, I was so musical. I was so into music, and I didn't have a backup plan. And in my hometown, if you sang, you led the church choir, or you taught music, which are noble professions.

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Speaker 2: But that's just not what I wanted to do.

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Speaker 1: But I think there was just something in me, and when I was in high school, we had there was a touring vocal group from Belmont that came to my school and they performed in the gym and when I saw them, I was like, I want to go to Belmont.

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Speaker 4: I didn't.

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Speaker 2: It took me a while.

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Speaker 1: I went to a junior college first, and I didn't get to Belmont until junior year. But somehow I felt like Fiells where I feel like I need to be, and Nashville felt like I mean, it was six hours from home, which was a lot for a kid at the time, but it felt like that's doable.

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Speaker 2: Because at first I thought, well.

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Speaker 1: I want to be shure, I got to go to California, you know, and I thought, Okay, Nashville's closer, and I wanted to be len Ron Step by then, and so it felt like the right place to be.

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Speaker 4: What did you think the first time you went to Los Angeles?

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Speaker 2: I mean I loved it, I did.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I I the first time I went to New York, I was terrified, and I now love New York, but at the first time I went, I was really scared. But the first one I went to La I mean, I thought like every little kid from Georgia that you know you're gonna see, You're just gonna see celebrities on the street everywhere.

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Speaker 3: That's what I thought too. I was gonna walk around and see I'm just walking down the street.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna be staying another star on the littlevard, you know.

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Speaker 2: But that's not That's not how it was. But it was warm.

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Speaker 4: I liked that it was warm, and it was full of traffic.

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Speaker 3: But the buildings in New York in LA were in New York to me was and when I was on American I don't for so long. It was because I had their story, because a lot of these kids they were like shipping to LA who had never been there before. And that's what you mentioned, like share in LA. And I always had dreams like I'm one day I'm gonna go to LA. But it ended up not being the order that I thought it would. Eventually I got out there and realized, you know, it's not really for me, like that, that version of this is not really for me. But I remember the first time I got out to LA or New York and it was just building big buildings, and that to me was so intimidating because we had no We had Little Rock, which was the city, and they had two they're not even skyscrapers, skyscratchers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well we had Atlanta, which was larger than life, but we you know, that was an hour drive and I wasn't really allowed to go to Atlanta much when I was a kid, so so it was it was the same for me. I mean, I feel like I we grew up in very similar situations that you know, the first time I saw the West Coast was on a tour bus, and the first time I went past the Mississippi River west was on a tour bus. So it was all new to me. And what I've learned after being in California a good bit and New York a good bit is what I love about Ashville is it has kind of elements of those cities, but there's still a community feeling here in the music community, and there's still when we are growing so much that I stopped telling people to move here, but but it's still you can find those pockets of places that feel where we live in north of town in Goodlettsville, we're in the country. We could be in Monticello, Georgia. It's like, you know, I know everybody at the grocery store, just like I did Monticello. And you know, it's it's small town right outside of a big city.

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Speaker 3: Are people used to you where they don't in your hometown here now and they don't I won't say bother, that's not the word, but they don't make you extra busy if you go into town.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really interesting because I mean, because Garth and I do everything ourselves, it's not it's not rare to see us at the grocery store. And I think that's when people like, if you never go out and do stuff, I think that's when when you do, it becomes a bigger deal. But it's interesting to me, He and I can be. We'll just take the grocery store for an example. We can go there a hundred times and ninety nine times it'll be chill, and then that one day it'll just be autographs, some pictures, and I don't know why that is. I don't know if it's sometimes it's like, man, my friend Deb says, she sees you guys in here all the time, and I've never seen you. Kind of get my picture and then that kind of starts the ball rolling, which probably that happens to you too. But most most of the time people just want to tell you they love your music or with me, they'll want to say, you know, hey, i'm making this recipe for.

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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah, and my husband's a diabetic. Can you recommend?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 2: So there's a whole lot of different questions.

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Speaker 4: Now that's so interesting.

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Speaker 3: Can you tell what they like before they get to you of what you do?

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Speaker 2: No, No, because I.

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Speaker 3: Can because I've been like, I've danced on television, and usually that's like seventy and over. Like if there's somebody over seventy who who was like, I'm a big fan, I'm like you for sure watch me dance on a dancing reality show. If it's like a fan, you know, it could be a tea. I usually can tell if they're younger. It's most of the time the podcast or a podcast. But I guess a lot of your stuff is so interconnected.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the Food Network show brought a lot of younger people, oddly enough, like girl women that like to watch the show with their mom, even on the phone that'd be on the phone on Saturday morning's talking and little kids. So a lot of times when they come up to me, and a lot of the younger kids, their parents are like, you know, she sings too, you know, And at first that really bothered me. At first, I was like, look, I'm a singer and I don't want anybody to not know that about me. But what I learned over time is that however they find you because we sing on the show, and you know, however they find you, then they learned the other things about you. So it might be music, it might be food, but they eventually figure you out.

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Speaker 3: You know, what's pretty good to eat is and I've only recently had it.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna okay. I also went to the doctor. That's how to start my story. So I go to the doctor, right, and the doctor's like, you kind of have a little bit of high blood pressure.

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Speaker 3: It's genetically. I genetically have high blood pressure. Who knew, right? And I didn't know. I never did any of those tests that you do, like the and so he's like, yeah, maybe don't eat as much red meat.

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Speaker 4: I freaking love meat.

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Speaker 3: My wife faces fun of me because if there's not meat in the meal, it's not a meal, right, And we've been eating a bit. Two things, one like Impossible Burger and Tofu yep, if prepared right, they're kind of awesome. And you bring up food and I've recently got on the Impossible Burger and now their packaging is red, so I don't feel like I'm eating leafs, yeah, instead of being green, which I would be like, oh it's green, it's a plant. Now I want that little things like that can affect me, which I'm still a child in my brain. And then Tofu, which I always is very anti if prepared right actually is pretty good. Have you mastered the art of making I don't know garth or family eat things they don't know they like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we actually garth and I go through we're actually in a vegan vegetarian phase right now. We go through phases and I do make everything southern. I know how to make all that stuff. But I but the challenge is, you know, you want to have meat loaf and mashed potatoes, but how can you make them healthy? And I just made meat loaf not a shameless plug, but we have a meatloaf mix out on Weims, Sonoma, and I saw I'm gonna make it with impossible worker and I just made it and it was fantastic. So to me, if you can make if you can find ways to make something and you're not putting any cholesterol in your body, you know, it's like that for me, Yeah great, So for us we're older, we you know, I have high cholesterol, not crazy high, but I have to watch it. And so I I'm always looking for ways I don't. I say, I'm I don't. I eat meat, but I don't eat it very often. And I got and I grew up that way where there was meat at every meal, but I got away from that.

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Speaker 2: And you can, you can. And tofu. I always hated tofu because it was just like it tastes like air.

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Speaker 4: It has no flavor, but and the name it just makes you feel like you don't like it.

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Speaker 2: Tofu, right, it just sounds.

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Speaker 1: But there are ways, like there's a I will slice it really thin and put like a Taraaki vibe on it and bake it and it becomes like almost like jerky, yeah, and with a great flavor, and then you slice it and put in a salad and you've got plenty of protein.

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Speaker 2: There's ways to do it that are really good.

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Speaker 1: So, Gartha, our whole thing is we're gonna eat vegan if it's good, it's not, it's not it's good for vegan, it's got to be good.

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Speaker 2: So that's a challenge you would have to, but you can do it.

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Speaker 3: My favorite meal or if the what's theamill you're going to have before you die is chicken fried steak with white gravy, mashed potatoes with white It's a lot of white gravy, white gravy, fried Okra. That's it for me, Like that's the one.

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Speaker 4: What is yours?

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Speaker 1: Probably fried chicken, mashed potatoes. Not really a gravy person, which is weird. It's a big gravy person. Or our Sunday dinner was always roast beef and rice and gravy, brown gravy and that that was one of my favorite things.

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Speaker 4: Like household traditionally you guys had roast beef on Sundays like after church or.

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Speaker 2: Something every Sunday.

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Speaker 4: And who made that?

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Speaker 2: My mom?

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Speaker 4: She could cook.

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Speaker 2: She was amazing.

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Speaker 4: Is that where you learned the fundamentals?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my dad was a really good cook too, so they and they were just cooked.

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Speaker 2: They were basic cooks.

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Speaker 1: So when we started and we did the first book I had, it was really just a way to get everything in one place.

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Speaker 2: You know, a lot of things were not and down.

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Speaker 1: So my mom had to write everything down, and she and myself and my sister did the book, and then when it was successful, we started having to create recipes and come up with things, and a lot of things that we realize we make all the time that weren't in a book, and it's basic stuff like if you don't know how to cook green beans down, you don't know how to do it. It's like it's not hard, but if you don't know, you don't know. So our pro and I learned that most people who cook cook like that. They don't they're not cheffs, so they don't use exotic spices. They use salt and pepper, and they might use a little garlic powder. They're getting crazy, so we keep it pretty simple.

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Speaker 4: You just started a TikTok account.

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Speaker 3: I did, what's just cause I've seen you popped up on for you page and I just thought they fed you to me after all these years.

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Speaker 4: But then I looked and there weren't a ton of videos up. How long have you been doing TikTok?

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Speaker 2: A couple of weeks something like that? Yeah, yeah, I mean I had.

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Speaker 1: I guess you have to have an account to be able to look at TikTok so I had.

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Speaker 2: I had it on my I have it on my phone.

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Speaker 1: I've had it on my phone for like a year, and I resisted for a long time. And what I learned about TikTok in that time was that I I would give up everything in my life and just be sitting on watching TikTok. I would give up my I couldn't be here today because I'm watching TikTok. So I had to give myself a parameter. So every day and Mandy's who here knows this because I'll send her TikTok. She knows I'm running the dogs because when I run my dogs, if i'm hiking them, I'm not on my phone. But if I'm driving in a little ATV and they're running, I'll get on TikTok.

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Speaker 2: So that's my thirty minutes. And I'm obsessed.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's all. So you only do thirty minutes. See, I have to like find thirty minutes where I'm not doing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't.

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Speaker 1: And I live with a guy who's not on social media, like he's on it. His as a personality but he doesn't do he doesn't care, he doesn't check his.

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Speaker 4: His personal interest isn't to go to social media.

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Speaker 2: In any way, so I can't.

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Speaker 1: If he was scrolling, it'd be easier for me to be scrolling, but he does not, so I don't when we're together, which is most.

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Speaker 2: Of the time. So so my thirty minutes with the dogs this when I when I'll scroll.

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Speaker 4: What have you found people like? From you?

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Speaker 2: I think everybody?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have dog, My dogs are my you know, they're my recreational time. And I find when I post, you know, a video of them or that you know, I'm sure you're the same way. People just want to know what you're doing when you're not doing this, and so a lot of it's just hiking or what am I cooking? Or I just made a video I haven't posted it yet of me because I had my hair makeup done this morning for this podcast and this one and the one I did before, and I don't.

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Speaker 2: Do this myself.

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Speaker 1: I don't have I don't I don't really have the time or patients for hair extensions and makeup. So I did a take off the day and people are always doing the tiktoks where they're putting on their makeup and I'm like, I took all my hair out. It took a while, and I took my makeup off, and I want to time labsit and post it because I feel like that's I mean, that's something people probably interested in to be like, I don't.

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Speaker 2: This is not what I don't. I'm not gonna wear makeup to go to the grocery store.

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Speaker 4: That's funny.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: And what do you put what? That's all? That's also all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I remember the first time that I posted myself and no makeup. We we did a we did when the when the Cooking Show was live every Saturday, we did we did a lot not live with the show came on Saturdays. We did a live coffee talk every morning before every Saturday morning before the show. And I said, I'll do it, but I don't wanna. I don't want to be I don't want to have to be in hair, makeup. I don't I want to be in my pajamas. If I want, I want to be drinking coffee. So that kind of started it, and so now and then covid made it okay to I saw myself in no makeup every single day, and I just don't care. So I so I don't care. I don't really care anymore. It's like, sometimes I'm gonna make up, sometimes I'm not. It's fine.

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Speaker 4: How do you do with rejection?

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Speaker 2: I'm not well, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, I mean we you know, we're in this day and age where if you say good morning, I'm having a cup of coffee, you'll get hate for I don't drink coffee.

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Speaker 2: I only drink tea.

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Speaker 4: I hate you.

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Speaker 1: I'll never buy your records again. I'm like, well, you're not buying my records anyway, So it's fine. So I really don't look at the way I deal with rejections. I just don't look at the I don't look at any of the comments. I just can't. I just don't have time anymore.

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Speaker 4: I don't.

00:22:03
Speaker 2: I don't.

00:22:04
Speaker 1: I don't need that negativity. And you know, rejection in business, I mean, I don't know. I feel like I haven't had a ton of that. But uh, I'm I'm I'm at an age where I take everything on is like I'm where I never believed it before.

00:22:20
Speaker 2: Like everything happens when it's supposed to.

00:22:22
Speaker 1: So I just and with this album, I'm always nervous when an album comes out, and for this one, I'm just not because I I don't have an expectation other than I love what I'm doing and I feel such piece about this project that it's like a piece of art. You may love it, it might not be your thing, and I'm good with that. I'm good with however that, however it falls out.

00:22:42
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00:22:57
Speaker 3: You say, expectation, what's the best case scenario with the new project? What is the absolute best thing that can happen with this?

00:23:04
Speaker 2: It could win a Grammy. You know, I want more.

00:23:07
Speaker 1: I want people to know about it because it's because it's so personal. I just want as many people to hear it as possible. And you know, the avenues are so different now than they were when I started. You know, it's hard for me to wrap my head around focus tracks versus singles at radio and how does that really help you? And everything is so social media these days, so how do you so for me, it's the best thing that can happen is that it gets the word out.

00:23:36
Speaker 2: And you know, I've won awards and not won awards.

00:23:38
Speaker 1: I've been nominated and loss of it, so it's not really all about that. But to me, when I said that, like that would mean that people people heard it and recognized it and appreciated it.

00:23:48
Speaker 3: So the record, when you say it's very personal, the first thing I'm drawn to and I look at it is the people that you get to sing with you on it, because what you're singing about is so personal, so to pick people to come into it with you is also very personal when your project is very personal. I love Haley Witters like as a person, as an artist, her story, then her story now like I just like who Haley is, why Haley Well.

00:24:15
Speaker 1: I started writing with Haley first. Chad Carlson, who's my co producer and engineer on this record, is a writer also and got he and I wrote some things together on this record, and he said, would you want to write with Hailey? He's buddies with her, and I said yeah. And I had met Haley before because she had done a song that she said was kind of inspired by She's Love the Boy and asked me to sing on it. So she and I know each other, and we got together and wrote a song about our moms. That didn't make the record, but it could make a future record.

00:24:45
Speaker 4: I don't know.

00:24:46
Speaker 1: I loved it, and we just kept getting together to write, and so we wrote a song called drunk Works that's really funny. It's funny because my serious songwriter friends are like, so glad you didn't do some song about like girls going down to Broadway and drinking. I'm like, well, really, sorry to disappoint you, but that's a song that we did write. And when we were writing it, we were laughing so hard. On the work tape, Haley is laughing at the end so much. That's it's so great that I was like, I want to hear her on the record, and so we just asked if she'd come in and do a duet. So it's it's doubly personal because it's it's Hailey, and I feel like I'm, you know, getting to say thank you for having me on her record. But also she's a writer, so it made it on the on the on the single.

00:25:26
Speaker 4: On the song did you have fun in Nashville when You're twenty one?

00:25:30
Speaker 2: Did I have fun in National one?

00:25:32
Speaker 4: No?

00:25:32
Speaker 5: Is it?

00:25:34
Speaker 4: Why not? Well?

00:25:34
Speaker 1: I mean I was in school, I wasn't a Partier. Broadway was you know, just really not a place she went. It was really a dangerous part of town. There wasn't anything like it is obviously now, and there wasn't really anywhere to go. There was, you know, there was a couple of restaurants that some of the students we'd go hang out at. But and and then I write in you know, write while I was still in college, I got an internship MTM Records, Mary Teller Moore Records, and so I was working, and then I got a job singing.

00:26:07
Speaker 2: I was singing in a bowling alley on the weekends.

00:26:09
Speaker 4: What were you singing?

00:26:11
Speaker 1: Top forty, like, you know, everything from Ronstadt to Whitney, Houston to everything.

00:26:16
Speaker 4: For how long?

00:26:17
Speaker 2: I did it for a couple of years?

00:26:21
Speaker 4: And how long each time it's shift?

00:26:24
Speaker 1: Uh you'd sing for you'd sing Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and you'd sing from like seven to one, maybe longer on the week maybe at two on the weekend. And then you get two hundred bucks for the weekend. I mean it was a lot. It was a lot. And you know, people are sitting right in front of you, smoking in your face. And then I started doing demos and I realized that I could sorry get more work use my hands a lot. I could get my more work in demos if I quit the night job. And also I was just I sounded like I had smoked two cards of cigarettes the night before in the morning at a ten o'clock session. So I finally made the transition around. I could make a lot more money doing demos, even though that was forty bucks a two. I did a lot of demos, and I made my own hours, made my own work, and I did I did really well.

00:27:09
Speaker 2: So gave up the bowl and Alley.

00:27:11
Speaker 4: Did you ever give up the big dream while you were here?

00:27:15
Speaker 2: No? No, I never did.

00:27:17
Speaker 1: I mean I thought I always believed that this is what I was supposed to do.

00:27:21
Speaker 2: Because I didn't want to do anything else. I didn't have a backup plan.

00:27:24
Speaker 1: I didn't have a well, if I can't be an artist, I want to be in the music industry.

00:27:28
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.

00:27:29
Speaker 1: That would have been a torture to be in the music industry and not doing this.

00:27:33
Speaker 2: This was all I ever wanted to do.

00:27:34
Speaker 1: I actually, during my demo days, one of the guys that heard me sing this was in the nineties when or the eighties, when what was the name of the band that paul At Carlson was the lead singer for. I went on one, Yeah, thank you, this is my this is this is COVID menopause brain.

00:27:56
Speaker 2: I'm not sure which one.

00:27:57
Speaker 1: Anyway, she was leaving, she was leaving, okay, I thought you might be a menopause Anyway, she was leaving the band and they were auditioning singers to take her place. And I got asked to audition, and I did, and I made it to the final couple of people, and they flew me out to Denver to meet the manager. And when I when I got home, I thought, I don't know if they're going to offer this to me or not, but I feel like if I take it, I'm stepping into a successful group that no one's going to be able to be paul atte Carlson or make people forget that such a successful group. And then I'm also kind of saying, well, you've believed in yourself your whole life that you could be a solo artist, but now you're going to give up and do this. And so I sent a letter and said I'm going to take myself.

00:28:48
Speaker 2: Out of the running. Wow, And.

00:28:52
Speaker 1: I did, and I don't know if they would have offered it to me or not, but I think the way they tell it, they rejected me. But I don't think that's but that's not what happened.

00:29:00
Speaker 3: What an interesting crossroads I was talking yesterday because I think there are these moments in our life that, you know, we make the decision, and then we live with the decision and we can look at it and go I either learned from it, or I'm glad I made it, or who knows. But I was offered one of the hosting one of the judging jobs on The Mass Singer before the show started, and I didn't know what that show wasn't that wasn't an American show. Its from like Japan, right, And they were like, come be a judge on this show. And at the same time, I just started to have some success in television and I had done my first season on Idol, but I wasn't full time yet. I had done like half the episodes, and they said, hey, come do full time on Idol, but I was like fifth string because there was the judges, there were Seacrest, and it was me and I was on every episode, but I still wasn't one of the main three, and they also were like, but you'll do Dancing with the Stars as well. And I had to decide, and I said, I've never heard of the mass singer, So I'm going to go do American Idol and Dancing with the Stars. And I'm super happy that I did. Like, looking back, I think I would have made the same decision. But what a weird decision to have to make. Yours reminded me of that because here you are, you've been trying to make it. Here's a path to making it right, whatever that means.

00:30:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I didn't have anything on the other side. I didn't have a record deal, you know, I didn't, you know, So I don't know.

00:30:15
Speaker 2: And I'm really glad if you did that, like what, I.

00:30:17
Speaker 3: Don't know, because I don't know that I would make the same decision. I'd be like, I get to get paid a little more and go travel. I think I'm going to go do it. I think that was a very mature decision to make for however old you were.

00:30:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was. I was. I was twenty two.

00:30:30
Speaker 4: Something, and you really believed in yourself.

00:30:31
Speaker 1: I guess I did you know. I guess there was something deep down. I mean because when I look at that and think about it, I'm like.

00:30:37
Speaker 2: That was why didn't you?

00:30:38
Speaker 1: I mean, it was really gutsy to not take that gig. It was a sure thing, But I mean it was the right move because I think it was obviously the right move for me, and I think I got a record deal within a couple of years.

00:30:50
Speaker 3: I would be proud of. Are you proud of yourself? Not just for that, but in general? Are you proud of yourself?

00:30:55
Speaker 2: Yeah?

00:30:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm proud of myself because I come from a very small town and I never gave up on a really big, impossible dream and I and I get to do it for a living.

00:31:05
Speaker 4: When did you and when were you able to look back and go? You know, I'm proud of myself maybe today.

00:31:11
Speaker 2: No, I don't know if anybody's ever asked me that question.

00:31:14
Speaker 4: It's weird.

00:31:14
Speaker 3: It's a weird question. I've only through therapy started to have. I have to look at myself through another lens or I hate everything I do.

00:31:21
Speaker 4: It's hard to say it about yourself, and it's uncomfortable.

00:31:24
Speaker 3: It's a weird question to ask yourself, much less anybody else.

00:31:27
Speaker 2: But like I might need your therapist.

00:31:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a.

00:31:32
Speaker 3: I go to a psychiatrist who can prescribe medicine I've never been. And here's the thing about that, they cost like three times as much. Oh yeah, yeah it sucks.

00:31:40
Speaker 1: Do you know what I did that that Amy turned me on to. Actually Amy did an interview with a woman who does lens therapy.

00:31:49
Speaker 4: Do you know about this brain?

00:31:50
Speaker 2: The brain? And I go to her and it's changed my life.

00:31:53
Speaker 3: Okay, see, I think for some reason you were meant to sit in that chair and tell me that today.

00:31:58
Speaker 4: Really, now, I'm gonna tell you.

00:32:00
Speaker 1: Happs, I don't ever talk about this. Well I do, I do with all my friends, but not on you know, publicly.

00:32:04
Speaker 3: So Amy bought me a gift of that and I've never used it, and she bought it for me many many seasons ago. And it just I feel like I don't want to go to sit and have them do some brain work. Amy Grant was also somebody who would would talk about it, and it's talked to me about it. And this morning I'm driving into work and I've been this morning, I'm driving into work and I've been kind of kicking the can with it, and I was like, I'm just going to tell Amy that if she just sets the appointment, I will go, and and I forgot to tell her this morning or I just was like, you know what, screw it. The fact that you said that on the same day that I told me that's weird.

00:32:40
Speaker 2: That means you need to do it.

00:32:41
Speaker 1: So for me, I had COVID like everybody did, and I had a mile case of COVID, but it really messed with my smell and taste. And I also had so I would say, I'm a long COVID person. So I had all the brain fog. I'm sixty. People are like, you're in menopause. I'm like, yeah, but this is different, Like I can't I'm looking at a rolling pin and I can't name it. So I either have early onset Alzheimer's or something's wrong. And so a friend of mine CALLI, heard Amy's interview with Sherry at Lynn's therapy and told me about it, and I went. And I didn't tell anybody I was going because I'm like, I don't even know, I don't understand what this does. And the first thing I noticed was that I was sleeping better than I'd slept in ten years. And then I noticed the fogs start to lift, and the if you've ever had surgery, you know, if you've ever been had anesthesia, your brain stays asleep. My brain was asleep, and.

00:33:33
Speaker 4: I didn't know what. I didn't know that what you said, if.

00:33:36
Speaker 1: You've ever had anesthesia, your brain doesn't fully wake back up. So everybody could benefit from having their brain awake.

00:33:43
Speaker 4: So what happened? When you go what happens?

00:33:45
Speaker 2: So they put these little electrodes.

00:33:46
Speaker 1: It looks like you're about to get to like shock therapy, but it's not that there's a little electrodes. The first they're grounded on your ears and they hit little different spots, so I think there's twenty one places on your brain, and you'll hit like retention, like if you're reading, do you retain what you're reading? Motivation, childhood memory. So it's like you're going to therapy in a way, but you're not talking about it.

00:34:09
Speaker 2: They're just it's just your brain.

00:34:11
Speaker 1: Your brain waves are sitting here in a rut or there if you loop, if you hit a block every time, and this tiny little charge you don't feel, it lifts those brain waves and they go, oh, there's a better way. And I mean it's I feel like my brain feels like it did in my thirties, Like I feel it works completely. And I've sent a bunch of people, like I'll usually run into someone I know walking.

00:34:35
Speaker 2: Out of there when I go in, And it takes fifteen minutes. It's not expensive.

00:34:39
Speaker 4: Goa have to get naked, you could, but probably to.

00:34:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's optional.

00:34:45
Speaker 3: I think that that is totally bizarre, but also I'll accept that it was more than bizarre.

00:34:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's meant to be.

00:34:52
Speaker 1: And it takes a few times, like I went, She says you an average of like ten times. You don't have to, Like if you miss a week, it's not like your brain goes back to sleep, and once your brain's awake, it's awake. But if you get COVID again, or if you because COVID, they found that COVID kind of does that, it kind of puts your brain in delta. And they're seeing a lot of success with this with COVID patients. They do it a lot for childhood trauma for kids, like they treated a lot of the Covenant kids. They help them process the trauma quickly and it helps them be able to move through it better. They also work with if you've ever had a concussion, if you've ever hit your head, you'll see it on the computer.

00:35:29
Speaker 2: You'll see the spot on your head. It's pretty crazy.

00:35:32
Speaker 4: You ever had acupuncture? Yes, I've been going every week.

00:35:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great.

00:35:37
Speaker 4: I don't know if it is though, I.

00:35:38
Speaker 2: Mean, I guess it's great. What do you go for?

00:35:42
Speaker 4: What do you I don't.

00:35:43
Speaker 3: I don't sleep and it sucks. Yeah, and I think I used to wear it as a badge of honor. Now it just it physically hurts me.

00:35:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, because sleep is so sleep is so important. I think the brain Lady will help you with your sleep. I do I believe that. Have you ever had dry needling?

00:35:57
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, only for injuries though.

00:35:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do it for about once a month for because I strength trained three times a week. And I'm also older and so everything always heard.

00:36:07
Speaker 2: I'm a little older than you.

00:36:08
Speaker 3: You're saying, I'm your mom who watches Dancing with the Stars that comes up to me and goes, I.

00:36:12
Speaker 4: Watched Dancing with I Love you, Bobby.

00:36:13
Speaker 3: Buzz bringing the Angels. I'm always curious about track ones of every project from everybody, Like why is there a reason is it tempo, is it the message? Like why what's that song about? And why is the track one?

00:36:30
Speaker 1: I mean, yes and yes and yes to all that, but also sometimes for me, track one always just shows itself and I don't have a really great explanation for why. The first song in the last song always kind of scream themselves to me, and then you got to figure out how the rest of them fit. But Leslie Satcher, who is a co writer on a lot of these songs, she was she was the catalyst that kept calling me. Every time I would say I'm not a writer, she'd call me back and say, Trisha Hearwood, you're a writer.

00:36:57
Speaker 2: We're gonna write.

00:36:57
Speaker 1: And we would book an appointment and I would you know, fake and asthma attack and not show up. And finally we wrote and this song. She said, I want us to write. I feel like we need to write some kind of a gospel thing. And I said, well, I'm a spiritual, spiritual person, but I'm not a wear it on my sleeve kind of you know, card carrying person in that way. But I mean I'm interested in writing something like that. And bridget Tatum, who is a badass, came over and we've written together, the three of us several times, and we were just batting around ideas about not wanting to be some kind of like like a like a hymn, but like something really tough. And my sister Beth was in the house and she came by to say hi to them, and we were just talking and Beth was kind of sitting in and we were having our coffee and I said, well, I'm gonna get out of here, but you guys are really you're bringing the angels today. And we're like, well, she's a go writer now, because that's the that's the song. And Leslie starts every song on the first line. She just start singing, and she just started singing somebody out to get Hell on the line. I'm like, well, I don't know what this song is, but I love it already. So I love that it's just and it is a tempo. It does kind of set the stage for like you're not sure what to expect. We're gonna we're just gonna be in your face with the first song.

00:38:15
Speaker 4: Do last song?

00:38:16
Speaker 1: Now, last song is when October Settles In, which is interestingly the first song I wrote when this whole portal opens.

00:38:24
Speaker 4: Why the portal open. I want to take another.

00:38:26
Speaker 1: Step back, and I don't know, I don't know if I had just blocked it or I don't know. Again, I you know, I'm pretty zen and I'm pretty like really believe things happen when they're supposed to. And I don't think I could have written a lot of these songs. I know I couldn't written these songs in my twenties. So maybe things happen when they're supposed to. But I think what happened was, you know, Leslie, I really do credit her. I give her a special thank you on the in the notes on the record, because she was just persistent. She believed in me more than I've believed in myself, and she kept calling, kept so that first writing session that I showed up to, she had booked us with Steve Dorrif, who's a famous songwriter. Right, And I go in and I have my sheets of paper that I have written my thoughts in one liners on for twenty years, and I don't want to show it to anybody because I'm you know, I'm scared that they're gonna go all this sucks. And Leslie just finally just says, give me the give me the paper so she I can handle the papers and she's reading through all my stuff and she says, uh, what's this one October settles in thing?

00:39:30
Speaker 2: And I said, well, it's kind of sad.

00:39:32
Speaker 1: I mean, my mom passed away in October, and it's I don't I don't think about the date coming up, but I you feel it, the weather change, you feel it coming and you're like, oh, that's what it is. And so we wrote this song and it it. When I left there that day, I was so emotional. And I'm not an emotional person. I'm more emotional now than I used to be, but I'm not like a I'm not a crier. I'm married to a crier. I'm not that girl. But I got in the car and I was really and I think it was two things. I think one was obviously it was a song about my mom for me, so it was really emotional in that way. But also I realized I can do this. I didn't sit in the room. I contributed to that you know session, and I knew. I knew in that moment I can do this. And that was when the you're not a songwriter went out the door. And I don't know I can't explain why. In one session one like I gradually came to it. It was like, oh no, that's not the truth. This is the truth.

00:40:31
Speaker 4: Like that, Yeah, so tell me about the song. Then it's about your mom.

00:40:34
Speaker 2: It's about my mom.

00:40:35
Speaker 1: I mean, we made it to where it can be, you can make it to be for whatever for But it really just talks about I don't need to I don't need to see the calendar. I don't need to know the date. It's like you just it's like you feel it in your bones. And my friends know not to call me. It's just it's just me. When October settles in, it's a ballad we and it's just a very it's a piano vocal. We end up putting just a four string thing on it really simple, and I just couldn't imagine what would come after that. On the on the record Hold On Good Your Mom Day twenty eleven, my that.

00:41:06
Speaker 3: That feeling is mostly around my mom's birthday, more so than when she died. But I know, and I like, I know exactly what you're talking about because it just feels and I won't say different because nobody else feels it, but it just feel there's just a feeling to around her birthday, like something really personal.

00:41:25
Speaker 4: And I'm not much of an external feeler, but I do get very externally feeling around that time.

00:41:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you know, I'm not the person who likes to dwell on like I don't. I'm not sitting here going because and my mom's birthday was in November, so maybe it's the beginning of fall and it all just kind of comes at the same time. But I'm not the person like I don't want to. I don't want to I don't want to just talk about who died this week. And I'm not that. I'm not that person. But I feel and I and I miss my mom and dad every day, but I feel them with me. I feel them with me, so I don't I don't mourn them in a sad way every day at all, because I feel I find joy in in all of the things that are that are me that I got from them. But I do think that you definitely feel it. One of the UH string players on the session, he came in. I've done him for years, and he said, he just said, when after you heard the song? He said, who did you lose? And I said, my mom. He goes, yep for me. It was my son, and he said it's may for me. So I think there is that feeling you don't, you're not you're not looking for it, which just shows up.

00:42:32
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:42:33
Speaker 3: I was at the Opry last night and I had some friends in town that live in Indiana, and so they came in and I was kind of showing them around and they were asking about he Hall, which I grew up watching he Hall. My well, my grandma grew up watching Ee Hall, So I watched he Hall.

00:42:47
Speaker 4: Did you do he Haw? Ever? I did it once because that was like right when it was ending.

00:42:51
Speaker 1: It was and I was they were done with the Cornfield, so the the cornfield became a mall?

00:42:57
Speaker 4: Was it? It was this still over in the Opry build the Opera building.

00:43:00
Speaker 1: Right, That was one I was probably on the last season because it was it was ending, and I just did it the one time. And I don't even think I did any of the skits. I think I just performed what did you say?

00:43:11
Speaker 2: She's Loved the Boy? Because it was it was it was right in the ninety one.

00:43:16
Speaker 5: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the Bobby Cast.

00:43:30
Speaker 3: You've been in Nashville through some seasons, including like the television show Nashville, which I that's when I moved here when that show was happening.

00:43:37
Speaker 4: Were you ever on that show?

00:43:39
Speaker 2: Yes, I did. I played Trisha Yearwood.

00:43:41
Speaker 4: I played I played myself too. I literally played me.

00:43:44
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:43:45
Speaker 2: I was there for like five minutes.

00:43:46
Speaker 1: It was an awards shows like a CMA, and I went out to do a presenting thing that I was on there for just five minutes. What's interesting about that is before, long before Nashville they did it, there was a show that I did X's and O's was was the theme song for a pilot for a potential show about Nashville's and I think the show was called X's Nose. I can't remember. It might have been called Nashville, but it was. Pam Tillis was in it, Manuel was in it. I was not in it, but I sang that theme song for it. And then they didn't pick up. They did like a two hour movie and they didn't pick up the series. But it was really a precursor to this show, which I loved.

00:44:22
Speaker 4: I thought.

00:44:23
Speaker 1: I thought it was a great postcard for tourism for Nashville.

00:44:26
Speaker 4: Nashville the show.

00:44:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I thought the first few seasons were awesome. Yeah, because when it started I was still in Texas, and then when it moved, when we moved here, it was like right in the prime of it, and it was I had dabbled in acting. I'm not an actor, but they had put me in a couple of things, and then they had me play myself, but I had real life lines. And even if you're playing yourself, it's weird.

00:44:47
Speaker 1: It's very hard to be you. It's very hard, even when you're playing yourself to say the lines.

00:44:51
Speaker 4: Weird. Yeah, all the cameras were on me, and I'm with all these season pros, and I like, don't want to let anybody down. I don't want to make them reshoot. I was so nervous playing me.

00:45:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that was a bizarre feeling to be nervous playing me because I was with I was doing this I See with Connie, and I had like eight lines, so it was enough that I definitely could mess it up. And I felt like a baby bird, like it just a trembling, shaky little baby bird.

00:45:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird because you're you're playing yourself, but you're you have to hit a Mark, you have to look at a certain way. You're You've got other people in the scene counting on you, and you're saying lines that aren't that you didn't write, even though they're.

00:45:26
Speaker 3: Supposed to be from You're right, people are counting on me in a way that I don't. I count on me and I count on others to count on me. But I'm going to lead it like that's everything that I do.

00:45:37
Speaker 4: Now.

00:45:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, that situation was not that, and I think that's why it was so uncomfortable for me.

00:45:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's that's a good point. I think I'm the same way I'm in. I'm a Virgo, so I had to control every situation anyway.

00:45:48
Speaker 4: Is that what virgo does?

00:45:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're controlling. We're very detailed, and we're a little controlling, and we're perfectionists.

00:45:56
Speaker 4: And how much do you believe this stuff?

00:45:57
Speaker 2: I believe it. I do don't feel.

00:45:59
Speaker 3: Like anybody could just say they're they have Virgo traits and be like, I'm a Virgo.

00:46:02
Speaker 2: Well I do.

00:46:03
Speaker 1: I do think that it's interesting if you don't. I'm not like a I don't. I don't read my horoscope every day or anything. I'm not that girl. But I do think when you read about each one that you're that you can see yourself in the in what you are?

00:46:19
Speaker 2: What are you?

00:46:20
Speaker 5: Do?

00:46:20
Speaker 4: You know? Yeah? But I feel like what you just said, I'm a virgo. Now I identify as a virgo. Well that's fine, Yes you can. I'm an aries.

00:46:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad was an aries.

00:46:31
Speaker 4: But I mean that's just I don't know. I don't either.

00:46:34
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's fun people ask me what my Enneagram number is.

00:46:37
Speaker 4: I don't know.

00:46:38
Speaker 2: I don't know.

00:46:38
Speaker 4: See, I'm into that.

00:46:39
Speaker 2: I don't know.

00:46:41
Speaker 1: I've taken the test a few times and I'm different every time. But see, I feel like, but.

00:46:45
Speaker 4: There's got to be a number for that. If you take it every time and you're different, you need your own like special number.

00:46:49
Speaker 2: I'm trying to impress the tests.

00:46:52
Speaker 5: You know.

00:46:52
Speaker 2: You know that, you know, because the questions are like would you do? How are you in this? And I'm like, am I? Am I really a good person?

00:46:58
Speaker 4: Do I check that?

00:46:58
Speaker 2: Am I five?

00:46:59
Speaker 4: Here?

00:46:59
Speaker 2: Am I to?

00:47:00
Speaker 4: Like?

00:47:00
Speaker 2: I don't know?

00:47:01
Speaker 4: People pleaser?

00:47:02
Speaker 2: Yeah?

00:47:02
Speaker 4: Are you people? Are you generally people pleaser?

00:47:04
Speaker 2: I'm generally I'm getting better?

00:47:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was raised to not you know, rock the boat, and I want everybody to be happy, and I don't like it when people aren't happy with me. But I'm also I feel it when somebody's in a bad mood. I feel it in my body and I hate that.

00:47:17
Speaker 4: What about codependency? Do you ever fall into those traps?

00:47:19
Speaker 2: I think so, I think I have all of it.

00:47:21
Speaker 4: I didn't think I did.

00:47:23
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, I know I did, and I know I wasn't a people pleaser professionally, but that's all I had, right. I never had much of a personal life because it was block out everything personal because that hurts, and let's just chase professional and let's get out of the hole.

00:47:34
Speaker 4: And that's what I thought I was doing.

00:47:36
Speaker 3: But really I was just running away from the actual hole, which ain't so bad when you address it. So but forever I was like, not a people pleaser at all. Then I met my wife. I was not codependent at all. Then I met my wife and I we go to couples counseling every other week and we've been going since we got married, which is great. It's the greatest thing for us because it has taught me that everything uncomfortable doesn't mean don't touch it. That's really what I take away from those sessions, because I would just not want her to be mad or sad or insert whatever emotion that wasn't positive, and it would affect me in such a way that by it affecting me so much, would affect her even more. And I really learned what codependency was through me getting married and never having anything personal that meant anything to me really, and then having something that meant everything to me and then having to adjust again. But it was the greatest adjustment yea, because I never had any sort of I feel this towards anybody, any personal cut anybody out, no problem.

00:48:38
Speaker 1: But for me, the people pleasing thing is also not is terrible for so many reasons because what I do is I will say yes to something I don't want to do, or I will, you know, go along with something I don't want to go along with. But you're gonna know because I'm going to be passive aggressive about it, you know that I don't I don't like it, you know, instead of just saying, hey, that's just not me. I appreciate you asking, but can you do that? I think I'm getting better, but I still do it. I still have to really fight it because there's that My sister and I talk about this a lot. My sister's older than me, and she's a few years older than me, and she has really had to fight the people please her gene because I at least got into the music industry and realized I'm a boss and I have to stand up for myself. I have to say what I need, I have to hire and fire people. I had to learn. But she never did that. You know, she went to school and she has a PhD in animal nutrition, but she got married and had children and decided raising her children was her profession, which is honorable. So she's not had to have the confrontational things that I've had to do. I've learned every time I have the conversation that's hard. I'm better for it.

00:49:42
Speaker 4: Me too.

00:49:43
Speaker 1: And I dreaded it forever and it was always turned out. I'm glad I did it, but it's never easy.

00:49:47
Speaker 4: And I still dread doing it, even though I know that it has always made me in some way better.

00:49:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you don't deal with whatever the thing is, it's going to keep coming. You don't until you learn the lesson and keeps coming back around.

00:49:59
Speaker 4: But I don't know that I've fully learned the lesson.

00:50:01
Speaker 3: Even though I know the lesson now, I don't know that I fully have learned it because I still am like, oh, man, sometimes I just don't want to do it.

00:50:07
Speaker 1: Well, that's living, right, So you just get better at it and you work toward it, and hopefully by the you know, in twenty years, you'll be like I've.

00:50:14
Speaker 2: Got this down.

00:50:15
Speaker 3: I'll be like, I'm so old and somebody be like, dude, you're not that old. I'm like, well, Tricia, she's sixty, she died tomorrow.

00:50:23
Speaker 1: I'm in an industry that's young, and I get these girls are like, oh, I'm turning forty.

00:50:26
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, it's such a cute age, Like shut up.

00:50:29
Speaker 3: I love the title Fragile like a Bomb? Yeah, the title? Where did the who had the title? Or did the title come up through the writing process?

00:50:36
Speaker 2: I had the title.

00:50:38
Speaker 1: Ruth Bader Ginsburg had a quote that attributed to her about women, and she said, not fragile like a flower, fragile like a bomb.

00:50:48
Speaker 2: And I just love that quote.

00:50:50
Speaker 1: And so we were I was sitting with Chad Carlson, co writer, and Melissa Fuller and we were talking about a friend of mine who I love dearly, who is successful in every way, but allows this guy that she dates to treat her not well and doesn't see the beauty and the glory, you know, in her, And and I'm like, and I'm like, she's it's like she's she's she seems like such a badass, but inside she's tender, she's fragule, like a bomb. And they've not heard the saying, and they're like, we need to write that. And so that's kind of where it came from. And I love that song because it really talks about you. Just you see her from the outside, she's this she's just this amazing person, but you don't see the inside. You don't see how that she doesn't sleep at night, You don't see these things about her. You don't you don't recognize how incredible she is. And that's kind of how that came about.

00:51:41
Speaker 3: Final question, Name three things that you love that have nothing to do with cooking, or music or family, because I think those are obvious, especially with you. The cooking part. Mine wouldn't be cooking. Yeah, But name three things you love that aren't those three.

00:51:55
Speaker 1: Nature, hiking, why it's like meditation, for me and that the dogs hold into that. I'm a animal freak. I worry about every animal in the world. You know when I say my prayers, not I'm praying for the deer out and the you know it's raining tonight.

00:52:12
Speaker 2: Whatever. I'm that girl. So those two things go together.

00:52:16
Speaker 1: I love getting to watch my dogs on the trail because we hike about a three and a half mile trail get to just get they get six miles to my three. I love to see them get to be dogs and do their thing.

00:52:27
Speaker 2: That's one of.

00:52:27
Speaker 1: My favorite things in the world. Uh, what else do I really love That has nothing to do with those things.

00:52:36
Speaker 2: I love to crochet.

00:52:39
Speaker 4: To most people I know that love to crochet or net or it's to to get their mind off of things. Yeah. Because it's focus. Yes, is that why? Yes? It feels very much like nature when you said meditation, which is focus.

00:52:54
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:52:55
Speaker 4: So you love the focus of.

00:52:56
Speaker 2: Crocheting, Yeah, I think so. And I used to.

00:52:58
Speaker 1: I started doing it in high school because somebody gave me a crochet kit and and I just did it and it was fun, and then it was like, Okay, I'm trying not to eat at night, so if I have a if I have an afghan in my lap that I'm crocheting and my hands are moving, I'm not going to beat potato chips a ten o'clock at night.

00:53:16
Speaker 2: So it's also a tool for that.

00:53:18
Speaker 1: But it is a I love it because it is a way to decompress where you can't. You can't your mind just can't because my mind will just go to a million things. You have to focus on the project in front of you, and you see something for your effort. You know, you're you're seeing something being made. You're not you know, you're not sitting there just playing a video game or something on your phone. You're actually doing something that is going to give you something at the end of it. So I like it for that too.

00:53:40
Speaker 4: So we got nature, we got crocheting.

00:53:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, did dogs fit in there?

00:53:44
Speaker 4: No? Okay, all right, that's like family.

00:53:47
Speaker 2: Yeah? What else? What else do I like to do?

00:53:51
Speaker 4: You can't go to somebody else for what you like to do? That's wait, the beach, beach you just use a lifeline on the question about it? I did.

00:53:58
Speaker 2: I phoned a friend.

00:54:00
Speaker 4: So the beach you love the beach to the beach.

00:54:01
Speaker 1: I saw you had a pick a ball card I did also to love pick a ball the beach for me, and Gar says it's about me. He goes like, you're like, I love being around you, but when you get to the beach, you're different. It's like I feel the weight just go off my shoulders. And when when I was a kid, we would go to the beach for three days. My dad didn't like to be gone for more than three nights four days, so we'd go to the beach and basically turn around and come home.

00:54:26
Speaker 2: You know, you weren't there very long.

00:54:27
Speaker 1: So I always felt like I got like a taste of the beach, but never got to really just be on the beach.

00:54:32
Speaker 2: So that is my happy place.

00:54:33
Speaker 1: That's kind of a recharge for me, is to just go and I like to walk the beach. I like to look for shells, and I like, you know, sand dollars full sand dollars that are untouched or my favorite thing in the world, and just just the being and hearing the surf, Like all of that for me is like he.

00:54:49
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00:55:04
Speaker 4: Are you able to sing any of your massive hits in another language. No, have you had to ever?

00:55:11
Speaker 2: No?

00:55:11
Speaker 1: No, I've had to sing in a foreign language before, but not one of my songs I had to sing. I sang in Italy with Pavarotti and we sang in Latin.

00:55:19
Speaker 2: Wait what that was just the thing I did?

00:55:21
Speaker 4: Wait what I know?

00:55:23
Speaker 1: He did a He used to do a every year he had a charity event for war children of Liberia. It was a big thing and it was filmed and I got invited one year and it was me and like a couple of Spice girls and like Vanessa Williams and Celine Dion and von Jovi, like it was an eclectic group of people and me and we sang, oh, come all ye faithful. But we did it, and we sang in English and Latin Adessa fidelis and because he didn't speak English and I didn't speak Italian and so we basically sang in Latin.

00:55:58
Speaker 2: It was wild, but it was cool. It was really cool.

00:56:00
Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds really awesome.

00:56:01
Speaker 2: It was really awesome.

00:56:03
Speaker 4: I mean, he can sing.

00:56:05
Speaker 2: It was it was amazing And that was the moment I he.

00:56:07
Speaker 4: Can sing, right, I oh yeah, but is it like next level?

00:56:10
Speaker 2: It is? It's it's it's his full body.

00:56:13
Speaker 1: I mean it was like I've never I mean, I sang some operetta in college and I it's a it's a different it's a it's a way to use your voice in a completely different way, which most people can kind of mimic if you're a singer, you can kind of do it a little, but to be a trained classical singer like that is uh. I mean, the breathing and the using the diaphragm and everything is all the same, but there's something different, and there's a special there are people that it's just like any singer, there are people everybody can't be you know, Whitney Houston. It's like there's a specialness there and he definitely had it.

00:56:47
Speaker 3: That's really cool. That's where you just fell out of your pocket too.

00:56:50
Speaker 4: It did.

00:56:51
Speaker 3: Okay, So before we wrap up, we're going to do one thing and we just leave this all in the very long form version of this. But so we're going to play the mirror on the National Countdown show. And so what will happen is I'll take a part of it and just put it in the show. And so I'm just gonna set you up. So forty five seconds which is a long time, but used in that capacity. They tell me about the Mirror before I play it.

00:57:16
Speaker 1: The Mirror is a collection of songs that really represent every part of me. There were a lot of songs I probably wrote. There's fifteen songs on the CD. I probably wrote seventy five songs in this couple of years time period, and I had to really go through and go, Okay, there's so many songs to your younger self. You got to pick the ones that really really resonate. So there are a lot of songs that are encouraging. I think to the younger self that I can't wait for you to get here, cause you're gonna You're gonna get it once you get to be once you get to be me. Now, two songs that talk about I made these mistakes that I thought were mistakes at the time, but I've now forgiven myself because you don't know too you know, and it's this is where you are now. And so that's that's part of the journey. And then the other part of the journey was there's a lot of there's a big side of me that just likes to have fun, and so there are even even bringing the Angels is a song that is while being about a serious topic about you know, like I believe that my angels lovely. My mom and dad are in my corner, you know, helping me out down here. But it's a it's a it's a badass, like, you know, I'm gonna roll up my sleeves, like bring it because I've got an army behind me.

00:58:32
Speaker 2: I like that.

00:58:33
Speaker 1: And then there's a couple of songs like drunk Works I almost didn't put on the record because it's really about girls going out and having too much to drink, but it's fun. And then there's a song called the Shovel that is that is just a fun song about going to the waffle house with your significant other and he cannot he says the wrong thing and he just keeps saying the wrong thing and he can't dig out of the hole.

00:58:53
Speaker 2: And uh, that's a fun one too. So it's a it's a.

00:58:55
Speaker 1: Journey of songs to your younger self, but kind of all of there's a lot of people in here, and I guess they're all represented.

00:59:03
Speaker 3: What about this song the Mirror? Why did you name the whole record after the song? Come me about the.

00:59:08
Speaker 2: Song the Mirror is.

00:59:10
Speaker 1: Seemed like the perfect title because, for the first time in my career, it truly is a record, a full album of reflection. It really is an album of like, this is who I am, this is who I've been, And the Mirror talks about that, how hard we are on ourselves. And I will say women, but men and women too were so hard on ourselves. We pick ourselves apart. And if you can kind of figure out how to the hook line, as I've always you've always been the girl in the mirrors, like she sees herself and she's like, oh, she looks good. I like what she's doing, and you don't realize that's me. I'm just I'm so used to picking myself apart, like you talked about earlier, being being able to say you're proud and looking at your career and your life from a different perspective. If we could see ourselves outside ourselves, we would like ourselves a lot more.

00:59:53
Speaker 2: We just have to, we have to.

00:59:55
Speaker 1: We work so hard on pulling ourselves apart so that the mirror that song is really about you're okay and you need to I've always seen what you're now finally seeing.

01:00:06
Speaker 4: All right.

01:00:06
Speaker 3: Final question, that's brilliant, by the way, you nailed that. Well, thanks right in the countdown. We have to edit that, take it and put it right in there. What are you going to do the rest of to day?

01:00:14
Speaker 4: Are you done? Now?

01:00:15
Speaker 1: I'm not done. I am leaving to go to go do another interview where I talk about my album. Then I'm going over to friends and little places, this bar that I co own, and I'm doing another interview. But I'm talking with some of the songwriters on the record. We're going to do a piece for the Tennessee And well, you're right in.

01:00:32
Speaker 4: The middle of it. I am how many days are you doing in a row of this?

01:00:34
Speaker 2: This is just I'll be it all on one day. We'll get out of bed tomorrow.

01:00:37
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

01:00:38
Speaker 2: I like to kind of do it all. I like to do it all when i'm working. I like to work.

01:00:42
Speaker 1: And we're gearing up because when the album comes out July eighteenth, that's the week that is going to be crazy for a couple of weeks, going to be crazy.

01:00:52
Speaker 3: Whenever if I have to do any sort of satellite tour and you just go from one city to the next, you sit in one chair.

01:00:58
Speaker 4: You've done this more time than I have.

01:01:00
Speaker 3: But you sit in one chair and you just go interview to interview, and sometimes you don't even see the people. You just hear their voices and you do seven eight minutes. I will forget what questions I've even answered in that segment.

01:01:11
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and have to start worrying if I'm doubling up. Are you at that phase of the day yet?

01:01:15
Speaker 6: No?

01:01:16
Speaker 4: Oh good?

01:01:16
Speaker 2: Not yet?

01:01:17
Speaker 4: Awesome?

01:01:18
Speaker 3: I mean, if you want, i'd be like I feel you. I totally understand what. I always love having you around.

01:01:23
Speaker 2: Well, thank you aside the same same.

01:01:25
Speaker 3: It's been a while, it has been we haven't evenen recording this, So you're ready to record.

01:01:28
Speaker 2: Mike, Yeah right, I'm ready.

01:01:32
Speaker 3: Congratulations on the record, mostly because congratulations on the record to you.

01:01:36
Speaker 2: Thank you.

01:01:37
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm really happy. And you probably don't have a CD player anymore. But I don't have the vinyl yet, but I brought you a CD so you can go to somebody's car and listen to it if you want to.

01:01:45
Speaker 2: I know you've heard it.

01:01:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I've heard it. But I'm thinking when you ask that, but I heard it through a digital link.

01:01:50
Speaker 2: I don't have a CD player in my car. I have a CD.

01:01:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, where do I even find a seat? I want it.

01:01:56
Speaker 3: I want it for the aesthetic, right, I should have put it up on the table, but yeah I don't.

01:01:59
Speaker 4: I don't know where that right.

01:02:01
Speaker 3: I'm going to keep it though, Yeah, yeah, uh you guys the mirror check it out, Trisha.

01:02:07
Speaker 4: Always great to see you. What I'm going to do from this though, is I'm gonna get that meat loaf mix. Yes, if it's that imp yes, if it's.

01:02:14
Speaker 3: That good, We're in because we always look for new ways for me not to eat red meat, but for me to trick myself into thinking I'm eating red meat, and if that's the way to go, that's what we're gonna do.

01:02:22
Speaker 4: All right, that's it.

01:02:24
Speaker 5: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.