Konnor Griffin extension talks heating up, Andrew Painter's debut, C.B. Bucknor's rough week continues

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Speaker 1: This is a big one on spreading rumors. This just came out minutes ago on the show. While we were chatting about whatever we were talking about, Buster Posey was tweeting that the Pirates and Connor Griffin are deep in negotiations. Remember Noah Hiles talked about this a couple of weeks ago and how the Pirates were floating. I think a low one hundred's offer at Griffin. We've seen a couple prospect deals over the past week with Emerson and Pratt for the Mariners and Brewers, respectively. The Pirates proposals are closer in the range to the Corbin Carrol eight year, one eleven mili deal. Griffin's camp wants something closer to Roman Anthony's eight year, one hundred and thirty MILLI deal. I'll tell you this, Aja, If I'm the Pirates and I think I have a shot to close in with Connor Griffin right now, I am not going to wet my pants over twenty million bucks. We're locking in a superstar for a decade. It is not going to make a difference. If you think he's going to be what the industry thinks he's going to be.

00:01:08
Speaker 2: Give him the damp. You know what I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: AJ Literally right now, I'm picking up the phone and saying, hey, Bud one thirty one, it's yours. We're gonna give you the number over Roman Anthony. I know Roman had played an ounce of Big league ball. I don't give a crap. We believe in you lock it in. Surplus value will be off the charts.

00:01:27
Speaker 3: Okay, two things. First of all, Buster Posey tweeted this, I'd be amazing that he oops is in the uh is in the pirates block or cod I mean that'd tampering. That tampering. Oh, that would be tampering. I'd be smart if he could get into other teams O bus there only.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was fun Barston Judge, Hey, I give you credit. I correct you guys. I want you club.

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Speaker 3: I was like when you said that, I was like, man, Buster Posey knows what the pirates are doing. That is amazing. He is everywhere. So anyway, and then the other thing is, do you think if he signs this extension he's into big leagues? No?

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Speaker 4: No, no, you buffoon? No you backwards had buffoon. He hasn't even had success. Did you not even watch any of us at bats? What is your problem? You look immature with your headphones and your backwards hat.

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Speaker 5: There's no way that's how it works.

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Speaker 3: By the way, these made me looking churecrats because I don't have unwired headphones. I'm old school, so I have the wire. This is the wire, kids, This is actually a wire that goes into the headphones that plugs into the computer.

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Speaker 2: The wait, is that the thing they used, like to plug in your phone to the wall.

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Speaker 4: Of those were those were curled up and you could stretch them all the way across your house into two other rooms.

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Speaker 3: Yes, listen, I think the Pirates should do this. We even heard rumors of this in spring training when I was there. I heard they were closing it on deal. I didn't think it was this high of a number. But yes, he's twenty years old.

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Speaker 2: Do this? Do it?

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Speaker 3: Do it show the Pirates fans that you are actually going to be able to keep somebody longer than the five or six years if they're any good. So, if I'm a Pirates fan, yes.

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Speaker 4: If I'm the Pirates, yes, And actually, aj he's not twenty years old yet. We have to wait till April twenty fourth, till he turns twenty, so he's still a ripe old age of Austin Perzinski nineteen years old. So like, just amazing, It is amazing, And this does more than just lock up a player. Nobody knows what a player's truly going to be. You have ideas, you have scattering reports, all that stuff, but you know what it gives. Let's say it's a nine year deal. It gives the fans of Pittsburgh a guy that they can get behind for nine years because at that price, you can afford him the entire time. You don't have to look at it and go, well, years seven, eight, nine, we're looking.

00:04:09
Speaker 5: To get rid of them.

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Speaker 4: Like, this is a deal that to me not just sets the franchise ahead because they'll have a shortstop that I think is big League ready right now, but it also will give the franchise fans something to get behind and be like, I'm in on this, I'm in on what the Pirates are doing right now. They spent a little bit in the offseason. They brought in guys that were like, hey, you know what, we're going to be a winning team. So that's what we're building here. And now you lock up their current star because you're not going or their next star because you can't lock up your current star. Sorry, Paul Skiens is going to cost too much. And so they do that and it gets this, It gets goodwill with the fans that I think are some of the most underrated fans in the game. When they come out in Pittsburgh and they sell out that stadium, it is ruckus.

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Speaker 2: Here's my problem, AJ.

00:05:03
Speaker 1: We saw this in the off season with the Pirates when they were going after some players. I know they landed some and they definitely aren't improved team, but it is still fair to be critical about an approach. When you're going after someone like Kyle Schwarber, you can't go look at what the market says. I think the same thing has to occur here with someone like Connor Griffin. If you look at your team and you look around, you at where the industry values this player. The industry thinks this is the next great superstar in our sport, you go off comps. These deals get done off of comps. Roman Anthony looks like he's going to be a star in our sport. Connor Griffin should be talked about in that echelon. As Anthony was five seconds into his big league career and signed a deal like that. AJ, if I'm Connor Griffin, I can't ask for one fifty plus, but I can ask for Roman Anthony's deal to a t. I can ask for that deal and a penny over because it's also X amount of months later and inflation and how these deals get comped, they build up over time. So I think, if I'm his camp and the pirates are hard stop at say one fifteen or even one twenty, I'm not doing it until it gets to one thirty something because we know it will and it will get there pretty quickly.

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Speaker 2: So do you agree with that?

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Speaker 1: Or like, let's say right now they're at that stopping point where the pirates are like one fifteen, and I get it, you're still getting rich. You're getting one hundred something Like in my mind, I think he deserves to get the comp that one of the other better top prospects in the sportcuts when he hasn't really touched the bigs at that point. And I'll find it while you're talking. But Roman Anthony was five seconds into his career.

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Speaker 3: You know what he should get? What one more million than Roman? Yeah? More, he should get more. So that's it, he should get more. If he's as good as in the Pirates and Key's as good as they think he's gonna be, and he's going to be the face your franchise, he's going to be this, then he should get more than Roman Anthony, because that's how these things work. The guy before you set the bar, and then the next guy that is that guy gets a little bit more. So he actually, to be honest with you, I think he should get a little bit more. And if you're Bob nutting, I think you should pay him. Pay the man. Bob what they say in rounders, by the man his money, ATA man his money.

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Speaker 1: He signed it on August sixth, talking about Roman Anthony, he was forty six games in and it was eight years, one hundred thirty million dollars. A twenty thirty four club option for thirty million dollars would make it nine years, one hundred and sixty million dollars. You're getting a decade of what could be one of the better players in baseball for what would be a massive discount. The easy comp to always look at is ronald'cunya junior making one hundred versus Flatty Junior making north of five hundred they came up around the same time. That is five x plus five x plus for the cost of Lattie versus the cost of Ronald d'cunya Junior. That's the kind of bargain you can get if you sign guys like this. Some of you're going to watch this and say this is crazy money for a nineteen year old. That's fine, but that is how the sport is looked at right now. So Kratz, do you agree if you're him, here's the crazy part. The Red Sox in Roman Anthony already all of the work for you. I don't think he can make a strong case for oh I'm going to be better than Roman Anthony, but he should definitely be in the same echelon. So, like what AJ said, you basically can just carbon copy with the Red Sox gave Roman and hand it out here and everybody should be happy.

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Speaker 4: Don't get nickeledon don either side shouldn't get Nickelton dome on this.

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Speaker 5: It's it's very clear cut. This is what happens. This guy set the bar.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you can argue that in spring training you are offering low one hundred million, Yeah, low hundreds of millions of dollars. Now you see what Colt Emerson signed for. So you're like, okay, well this is fair both sides. And you think I'm going to be a star. You need me in the big leagues right now, let's go and get this done to me, I agree. I think it's one hundred and thirty million plus or you don't sign it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. Do you think that there's league pressure because he's technically not in the big leagues yet.

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Speaker 3: Or shouldn't be. Would the league would want him to sign this deal?

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Speaker 2: Agreed?

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Speaker 3: I would think the league would want the Pirates to sign him to this deal because they're going to be like, man, if this guy becomes the dude we think he is, then you're actually saving the rest of the team's money. So I see what you're saying, Scott, But I would think, again, I don't know that because I'm not a league guy, so I don't know what they think and do. Trust me, I've questioned many of many of things the league has done over the years, so I don't know, but I would think that they would be totally.

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Speaker 2: On board with this because it raises the number for the pre MLB debut, so they.

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Speaker 3: Also saved them. I agree, but a ton of money in the long term. If you look at it. You brought up Laddie, but you got five hundred million, right compared to what Accuoni got, Plus he got what four years of arbitration, which is almost like another fifty million, so it cost him. You know, if they would have signed Latti when he first came up to one hundred and thirty millions, it would have saved the Blue Jays four hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 1: It's a massive difference, and the Blue Jays actually had multiple opportunities to do that, right you look at Vladdie, you go back and look at Mookie Betts.

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Speaker 2: These are guys that actually were receiving multiple.

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Speaker 1: Offers over the course of their career and at least claim that they would have signed them, but the price kept going up based on how well they performed, plus how the contracts were being handed out to the rest of Major League Baseball. So in conclusion, the deal should be a little over what Roman Anthony got, and I think it'll happen this week.

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00:11:21
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Andrew Painter's debut while we worked through some tech fun Kratz take it away, baby, because the Phillies look like they have something good and it took them a minute to get it all together. Tommy John surgery for Andrew Paynter wiped out twenty three, basically all of twenty three and twenty four comes back last year, gets a good amount of innings in Triple A. The era is over five, and if you're looking from the outside and you're say a Phillies fan or a baseball fan, it's not like you're gonna watch every single Andrew Painter start.

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Speaker 2: So you're just like, Oh, I don't know, is this guy the guy we thought he was going to be.

00:11:58
Speaker 1: He was number one or two pitching prospect in baseball a few years ago. I think we got a taste of that answer for the Phillies, who pulled off a three to two win over the Nationals, and we're off to like a slow ish start if you can count that in the first several games. So it was a nice pick me up, and it makes their rotation look really nice when Painter is going to essentially replace Rangers Suarez and then Wheeler's going to bump time on Walker out when he comes back. So your thoughts on five and a third, four hits, one run.

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Speaker 2: Eight strikeouts. Also, it was four hits, three of them singles.

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Speaker 1: One was a double that was like basically a pop up over Trey Turner's head past second base, and then the run scored when whoever was coming in was at Banks came in and gave up gave up the run charged to his account. So basically that line is even better in person than what it looks like on paper, and it looks pretty damn good on paper.

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Speaker 4: All right, So you have to go back as a non Phillies fan, you have to go back to why is Andrew Painter a guy that came of off a terrible year in Triple A last year statistically wise, and then missed the two previous seasons essentially with Tommy John surgery? Why is you know, everybody just believing so much in this guy? To me, it's because of what you saw yesterday. It's the fact that his athleticism is something that zero like pitch you know, pitch making gurus who are like, everybody needs to throw this this hard and this way.

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Speaker 2: Like.

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Speaker 4: His mechanics are very clean for a six foot seven pitcher, he's very young. He uses us athleticism to get down the mound really well. He's not Zach Wheeler, but he has that type of length where he's able to extend and when he locate, he can locate his pitches because of his ability to just move athletically. Some big, tall, long guys, they're like everywhere and it takes them a long time to figure out their mechanics and eventually find it. This is a guy who learned it early, went through the injuries, and now he's finally making his big league debut, and he's had a lot of time to prepare for this moment, through all the injury, through all the rehab, through all the struggles last year in Triple A, and he adds something that this team could desperately need. I'm not saying I'm not overreacting from the first time through the rotation, but Lozardo had a stinker. Aaron Nola gave you a quality outing, not the dominant Aaron Nola. And Tywan Walker has been Tywan Walker that he's been.

00:14:39
Speaker 3: For the last three years.

00:14:40
Speaker 4: You know, lover hate him, Philly, he's gonna be that guy. And so really you're looking at it, you go, crap. If Painter doesn't do well, oh great, now we got a sinch as we got to rush Wheeler back. Phillies will be fine. They're gonna score some runs. But this was a really amazing outing for the Phillies when they needed to pick me up from their rotation. And to me, he's going to need to face some good competition, and that's lineup's not the best. But I like what he did against the better hitters in Abrams and Lyle and would I like how he faced those guys and was able to attack him attack them with all of his pitches.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't hurt when you get your first big league strikeout against James Wood, who's one of the better rising young players in the sport too, So it's a nice hey, I've got.

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Speaker 2: This moment for him.

00:15:38
Speaker 1: And then just overall, I mean, he was able to put together a really nice performance to get himself into the sixth inning. What would that be like for you if you were trying to psychologically coach a guy who has that kind of stuff. He's twenty two years old. And also I would say this is probably a good thing. Or disagree with me if you want.

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Speaker 2: He's not the kid that just was.

00:16:01
Speaker 1: I mean, I know he was thirteenth overall pick, but not he didn't just have all rosy story up to the major leagues like he actually did have the long term injury, the rougher results year last year.

00:16:13
Speaker 2: So he's been punched a little bit.

00:16:14
Speaker 1: Sometimes guys come up, they come up so quickly nowadays they really haven't gone through any adversity for.

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Speaker 4: Sure, And sometimes the first adversity that elite stars and you're a first round pick, you're probably a elite star. You don't go through the same things that set you know. We're having Max Munsey on the show here in a bit like his whole his whole rise to the big leagues, and then once he got to the big leagues, wasn't like this dream scenario. It had Andrew Paynter not gotten hurt, had he not gone through the rehab process in a little struggles last year, they were talking about him possibly being in the big leagues at twenty years old. But when he heard himself in spring training, they were like, whoa this guy it was? I think it was a Tigers they faced. This guy's outing was unbelievable, was poised, his ability to throw strikes. It's just as where withal with his body and his mechanics, like he had made a huge jump.

00:17:18
Speaker 2: Hey, better than box scores. Let's run it.

00:17:20
Speaker 1: Let's start with the Red Sox who fell yesterday to the Astros. Another Jordan Alvarez freaking tank to the second deck. But the thing that stood out from that game in terms of virality was Mark Wegner forgetting the count and he apologized afterward, totally.

00:17:34
Speaker 2: Accountable for it.

00:17:36
Speaker 1: AJ was a swinging strike for camp Smith that should have been strike three, ends up eventually walking in the AB. I do want to show this tweet as we're talking about it with Alex Korra sitting Narvaiez today. I don't think this has anything to do with it. But my question is, while we're talking about the catcher not in the game, where is the catcher and where's the pitcher and where is everybody when something like that happens. I don't think it's just on the umpire in that case. And this is the tweet for the Red Sox game today, Chorus saying, uh, narvaias Carlos out of the lineup, who is one of the you know, better catchers in the sport already from a breakout twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: But Chorus said it's not a physical thing.

00:18:16
Speaker 1: That was according to Narbias, and he was asked if it was disciplinary, and he basically just said he wanted to keep it internal. So we don't really know what's going on there. But anyway, your thoughts, well, first of.

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Speaker 3: All, I mean why Narvaia's was bench, I don't know. I can't comment on that. So if he was benched or not bench, whatever, that's good that alex cor is keeping it in house. And then second of all, I anytime that I was catching or hitting and the catcher and or pitcher and or hitter asked what the count was, I'm like, I got this, dude, he's not he's not engaged. At no point in my career do I think I ever asked what the count was because I was so locked in and I would forget the outs.

00:18:52
Speaker 5: Yeah.

00:18:53
Speaker 3: Possibly, but when I was catching, especially if I forgot the count, then there was I was like not there. Mentally, I knew every pitch, every count, what was happening, where we were at. We'll be thrown these guys. So yeah, I find it odd that everybody on the field could have forgotten the count. Forget the catcher. There were times where people like, oh, it's ball four, and I'm like, well, no, no, no, it's ball three. Let's go back, And there was times where we had to check with different people. So yeah, anytime I saw someone forget the count, I was like, oh, we got this guy.

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Speaker 1: And also my bad just on narvaias so he was supposed to start today and he was taken out. Wang was starting yesterday. I just want to make sure I cleared that part out. So it was technically that's on Connor Wang and the Red Sox staff and all of that. So it didn't have to do with mister Narvia's and yesterday's game. That one didn't get by him, so it must be something else going on there. Krats, Have you ever forgotten the count in a big league game?

00:19:45
Speaker 5: Not that I can think of.

00:19:46
Speaker 4: I'm not as confident as AJ is about it, but I am totally on board with what AJ said.

00:19:52
Speaker 5: I see it in high school.

00:19:53
Speaker 4: Now I see it in college as I'm watching college games, like if you're not locked in enough to know that count, especially when you play like or you watch high school games, you know, yet there's a kid running the scoreboard like they miss certain things.

00:20:08
Speaker 5: You can't just look at the scoreboard like that is.

00:20:11
Speaker 4: That's the times when I've had the discussions with the umpires like that scoreboard's wrong, Like there's like that's wrong, like I know it's too too and then they then I've had times where umpires are.

00:20:24
Speaker 5: Like I don't know I'm like, well, where's your clicker? What's going on with your clicker?

00:20:29
Speaker 4: Like, to me, that's a it's a pretty egregious mistake. Like that's a punch out, that's strike three. How the pitcher missed it too? Like, there's definitely, like AJ said, like a little bit of a level of we're not quite locked in enough here for a big league baseball game.

00:20:50
Speaker 2: The Red Sox also learned some other tough news this morning. Tristan Cass has had a setback, so he's going to miss more time. Here's the tweet from Tim He who does a great job covering the Red Sox on a daily basis.

00:21:04
Speaker 1: He said setback in the form of sore ribs. Alex Chorus said, he is shut.

00:21:09
Speaker 2: Down for a while.

00:21:11
Speaker 1: We have to slow it down, so AJ, the injury was continued for Cossus. He has not played much the last few years.

00:21:18
Speaker 3: But what was the real I don't I'm sorry, I've kind of lost track of him other than him running around like Spider Man put the mask on and doing all the other stuff that he does. Like, what was the injury? I know he hurt his leg a couple of years running down the first lower body.

00:21:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, ruptured Pateeller tendon. That was last year, second last year. Yeah, after a month into the season.

00:21:41
Speaker 3: And then how did the ribs come up? Where did the rib injury come up?

00:21:45
Speaker 2: That's a recent thing that just popped up that caused this.

00:21:48
Speaker 1: You know, that's the current setback here, because otherwise, I mean, they were definitely hoping to get him back, you know, in the first half, let alone maybe within the next few weeks.

00:21:57
Speaker 2: I think that was.

00:21:58
Speaker 1: Always the plan was, I want to say, April early May kind of range, even if you're giving them a little extra time. So in my mind, they've prepared for life without him. I mean, that's why you pick up contrarasts in the off season, isn't it. I mean, they technically don't have open space for him, and I think the Red Sox in the off season technically moved on and said it would be a bonus if he's a bench bat for us.

00:22:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not counting on him. That's why you go get Wilson Matures, because you're counting on him to play first base. They're not planning on Tristan Casts to help him. I mean, listen, I mean I watched a little bit of the Yankees or about the Yankees, the Dodgers Guardians game off night and the laughter who's off to hot star foul ball office foot and had to come out of the game. I don't know. I didn't hear any update on him, but he was another guy that was constantly injured in the minor leagues. Like you can't help anybody if you're constantly hurt. I'm not questioning anybody's paying tolerance, but at some point you got to be about some substance. You can't just be about you know this, and then I have this and I do this and I do that. At some point she got to get on the field and play, and the later was off to a great start this year. Unfortunately, he you know, fell him off his foot last night. But if you're Tristan costs until you get back on the field, like I don't even want to hear about it, like it's I'm sorry, like you just it's when guys don't want to do interviews and don't want to do things when they're hurt because you just want to hide in the background, unil you can get back out there and play. That's the way I feel that, you know, Tristan costs is at this point is is, yes, could he help the Red Sox possibly, But I don't know because he never is healthy enough to play ever the game.

00:23:29
Speaker 4: The game always moves on injuries, non injuries, prospect, failed prospect, whatever it is. For Tristan Costas, I watched him. I played for I worked with the Red Sox just as like a you know, kind of like a special assistance to player development. And I got to go in and I got to watch him work in Double A. I got to watch his like daily routine. I went to watch the Double A team. I'm not sure how many times, but it was quite a few times more than the other levels. And I would say he does a lot of things right. He's worried about his nutrition, he gets enough, he talks about getting enough sleep, his hydration, like things you don't normally see at a Double A level, let alone from like a twenty one twenty two year old kid.

00:24:12
Speaker 5: So I think he has a lot of the right things in place.

00:24:16
Speaker 4: It's now a matter of how can he figure out how to stay on the field and be a contributing member year in and year out to this Red Sox lineup, or the Red Sox will have to move on because every day you're not out there as a player, not Tristy Costas, but every day you're not out there as a player, the team has to move on.

00:24:36
Speaker 5: Very few players are so good that.

00:24:38
Speaker 4: They're like, we're gonna hold everything up here, We're just gonna find a little stop gap and then we'll be back when you're back. That that doesn't happen, So that's a tough, tough issue with injuries, prospects, and young players.

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00:26:00
Speaker 1: I'm show I think the most talked about human in baseball right now is c B.

00:26:05
Speaker 2: Buckner. Would you guys agree, yeah?

00:26:08
Speaker 3: I mean he's always been talked about inside people. People have known CB. You trust me, there have been crats will agree. Crats will tell you this. There was a long time where you would look at the umpire sheet and you'd be like, oh, we get CB this weekend. Behind the plate, someone's getting ejected. So I mean, listen. CEB is a nice guy to talk to, but he had his He had some not good days behind the plate at times.

00:26:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll get to his next for a behind the plate unfortunate situation for him. But let's start with what we were just showing everyone. He missed a call AJ last night that was a true head scratcher for everyone. Jake Bower's foot on the bag, No problem.

00:26:52
Speaker 3: Didn't touch it end up challenging, not even close, Scott.

00:26:57
Speaker 2: Said, didn't touch the bag and touch it? I agree you Actually, you know what that part didn't even surprise me.

00:27:03
Speaker 1: That CB was off on the call and that if you look at his eye contact, it was at home played, or maybe there were somebody in the seats that was more interesting than the game.

00:27:10
Speaker 3: Clearly didn't touch the base. I don't know what you're looking at, but I'm looking right at it.

00:27:15
Speaker 1: Tell me what you see on the picture on the left side of the screen, Aja explained to the podcast crowd.

00:27:21
Speaker 3: I see Jake Bowers clearly missing the bass and c B Bucker totally getting this call correct because he is looking directly at the base where he should be, instead of at the ball that's going flying all over creation.

00:27:32
Speaker 1: It was a very April Fool's answer of you right there, Jake Powers stepped on the middle the middle of the base. Do you know what the craziest thing for me is, AJ they it took about during that game because I was checking it out live. It took about two minutes. I didn't count exactly and I was like, what the hell is going on here? Two minutes for New York City to give an answer. I was like, it's one thing for c B to be wrong. We deal with that all the time. I was like, that should be a pen second turn round.

00:28:01
Speaker 4: They were, they were, they were challenging another game. There were there was something something going on. There was no like, it's not something has to have happened. The whole fact of this play is the fact that CEB's not looking at the right place. We just had this issue in our in the high school game that I was coaching in now yesterday, but it was last Friday. A kid missed first base on a home run. My first reaction is I look to watch the guy touch the base. It's like something that just innately happens. He missed his first base. And the second glance I give is to the home plate umpire, who has that play, not the base umpire. Base umpire has the home run call, and I look at it and the home the home played umpire is doing exactly what CEB is doing, watching the ball.

00:28:50
Speaker 5: What is it?

00:28:52
Speaker 4: And so if you're not looking at the right thing, to me, you have to go back and hey, let's let's revisit this. Cebe like, let let's revisit the basics that you used to work on when you were coming up through the minor leagues and then into the big leagues, because this is a blatant This isn't like ah man, I kicked it. I kicked it. The timing was terrible. This was I kicked it because I'm not looking at the right place. And if umpire is not in the right location, if they're not shifting, it makes all the other umpires look bad. So they don't want him to screw up like this either.

00:29:26
Speaker 3: But by the way, speaking of this, I've seen this happen a couple of times, and I don't know if it's ever happened in the big leagues, but high school games, kids miss home played on home runs because they're so excited to do their jump around, their boom, their whole thing. It happened a few years ago against us in high school, and we appealed it and the guy was called out and we were on the road and almost a you know, a melee broke out because they couldn't believe it. And then last night the high school my son went to a kid hit his first career homer and I sent a picture to the dad of Hey, nice homer, congrats. Make sure he touches homeplate. And I ain't saying the kid missed home play, but if he touched it, it was by a tenth of an inch with the tip of his cleat like we see on the ABS challenge marks Now it was bad.

00:30:10
Speaker 5: Like just step on the.

00:30:11
Speaker 3: Middle of the plate. I don't understand why we this is such a hard concept to get. Just step right in the middle of the play. You can jump up and down on home plate if you want. Just make sure you touch it right.

00:30:22
Speaker 1: That seems to be the easiest part of the sport. It's the one part that everyone could do. It is really hard for the average human to hit a baseball, but it is very easy for anyone to step on a base Also, aj isn't Cebee's job at first to be watching the foot hit the bag. And I guess for if potential obstruction, like why is he wandering? You know ass people say into left field as a term, like he is wandering into outer space with his eye contact And we all saw that. And that's where I get to a point and say, is he passed his prime right?

00:30:58
Speaker 2: And he started doing this at nineteen nine, ninety nine, and the league essentially bought out Angel Hernandez. They might have to do this here with CB. It's one thing to have the issue behind the plate, and again we'll get to his next game behind the plate here, which he really isn't going to participate in. But does the league need to step in and make sure that he's okay.

00:31:19
Speaker 3: No, they'll recommend him, they'll take away postseason stuff. I think isn't not how they do it. But I don't know if they're going to make him retire.

00:31:28
Speaker 2: I basically did that to Angel Hernandez.

00:31:30
Speaker 3: And Hernandez also got tired of hearing about it. Angel Hernandez was the brunt of it for so long, and now CV is about to It seems like CEB is about to take that. Angel Hernandez didn't go because he wanted to go. Angel Hernandez went because he was probably just tired of hearing it everywhere he looked in every place anyone that recks like oh, Angel Hernandez or stumpire and Baseball. Even though I'll be honest with you, I never really had a problem with Angel Rnandez. Angel was again, I never really had a problem with CB because you kind of knew what you were going to get when you went into the game, just didn't let it bother you. Now the problem is with abs and with replays and all that, they're just put out there more in the open than they would have been in years past.

00:32:13
Speaker 4: This is this is agregious in my opinion, it's egregious. I think Angels stuff he was if he was pushed out of the league. You know, maybe he got sued maybe you know, I mean that he he sued the league before because he didn't feel like he was being treated fairly. I think there's different things that go to me. The CB play is egregious in the sense of it. It would be like somebody who's a bad driver, Well, you speed and you keep getting caught speeding, that's not a bad driver. Like if you're just if you're making right turns on rent, like you're just blatantly not doing things correctly. That's way different than calling balls and strikes in correctly. So like a play like this, I think there has to be some type of reprimand not a suspension, but just accountability. We have the abs to keep the umpires accountable. Players are in this league because they do well. They get sent down. When they don't do well, they're being held accountable. The umpire should be held accountable when you're caught in the wrong position looking over here at the ballfly and your one job on that play is to see the play at first. The home played umpire has the ballflight in case it goes out of play, in case it's illegally touched by the catcher, whatever there is. He has that Like, obstruction isn't even CEB's call. The entire play all the way up to the base is the home played umpire's call. So if there's obstruction, if it something hits the run or something, CB was caught watching the ball not the base.

00:33:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why it's concerning going forward where he's going to be. So he went super.

00:34:00
Speaker 1: Viral last weekend and we covered it at length. He had twenty six missed calls. He was six for eight on being challenged and getting overturned. I think the most anticipated game of the year in the first weekend change of this season was him behind the plate for start number two or for home plate ump number two appearance for him this year, unfortunately. Now this is where we take a turn and get the human side of things. We hope that he's okay. Adam Mcalvey tweeting this while our show is going on, and this is probably why a bunch of people just jump back to our show, because some people were watching just to see how crazy it would get and how much animosity there would be between him and Kevin Cash and Pat Murphy who are already were talking and laughing about CB behind the plate.

00:34:45
Speaker 2: CB was struck. So he was struck flush on the face mask by a foul tip.

00:34:51
Speaker 1: So he was removed from the Race Brewers game that started maybe thirty ish minutes ago, about forty minutes into the showtime for us.

00:35:01
Speaker 2: So we hope that he's okay. In all seriousness, of.

00:35:04
Speaker 3: Course, of course, this is not a personal thing at all.

00:35:07
Speaker 4: This is a no.

00:35:08
Speaker 3: I mean as a player people, you know, which hopefully people never wish bad things upon other people. I mean personally, I'm talking about now. Professionally, you can root against somebody or say someone's not doing a good job. But I hope in life no one ever roots against somebody on a personal level to get her to do bad. All that stuff. That's just that's just not cool for me.

00:35:31
Speaker 2: No, and most of the replies to Adam's tweet, we're in that realm.

00:35:36
Speaker 1: Hey I hope this guy's okay, or hey, I know I talk a lot of shit about this guy, but as a human being, I hope he's okay.

00:35:44
Speaker 2: So the CB, we're thinking about it. We're going to do our show. We're going to be critical of umps.

00:35:48
Speaker 1: That's part of what we do, right, is that we just talk about the game baseball the way it should be covered.

00:35:52
Speaker 2: But hopefully it's okay.

00:35:53
Speaker 1: So we and yes, for purposes of watching that game, it's not CB behind the plate. So we just saw the one time here really behind the plate from him where it was messy, and I'm sure he'll.

00:36:05
Speaker 2: Get back at some point and that'll be the storyline again.

00:36:07
Speaker 1: One more thing from that series that I just want to shout out because we won't have time anywhere else. And then we'll get to our next guest. Shane McClanahan is back. He had not pitched in a major league game since August of twenty twenty three, about a thousand days out of baseball. He's gone through a lot. He was at the time a top three or five pitcher in the sport. People thought he's going to be a sight young contender every year. Just like krat said, the game doesn't wait for you. It's crazy how quickly it can pass you. If injuries occur, hopefully he'll be able to stay on the field. Now let's do some shout outs. We'll start with the Aids, last team to get on the board this year, so they're one in four. They won in Atlanta. I was referring to that game where Drake Baldwin and I think he's got three homers already too, AJ, But you know who has four homers? Shay Bangaliers, a former Braves organization dude making his old organization pay. He looks really good to start the year. And I know you mentioned him as the next great potential extension candidate for the A's or.

00:37:18
Speaker 3: Kurt or Nick Kurtz. Now the different Langoleers got some years in now, right, So there that's a little bit of a difference. But I mean him are Kurts. If I'm an A's fan, I'm like, hey, you're signing all these guys, how about these other two dudes that are pretty good? So theys actually have some stuff to look forward to. They for some reason, they just always suck at the beginning of the year. I don't know what we joked with Katsay, my buddy Kotsay about this. It's when we saw him in spring training. But gosh, if they I mean they have they have some legitimate talent on this team. Now, today they ran into Chris Sales, so you know that didn't go so good. But the A's have legitimate talent on this team.

00:37:54
Speaker 4: Yeah, Langoleers is easily the most underrated catcher in the game. I think the fact that you add power, he's the fastest. Now that JT's lost a step, JT can still run, but Shay Langeleers is the fastest sprint speed. He's now started the season off with four dingers, and I think I think he might be pricing himself out of Oakland. He's got just over three years of service time, so he's going to go to arbitration two more times here after after this year. I think he's making five points something. I should look it up before I say it. But he's only going to get more expensive. But now you're talking about what does that look like like? What does that look like the other catchers in the game. Is he as good as Will Smith? No? But if the if Sacramento not Oakland, if Sacramento has to pay close to Will Smith money for him to buy it out, like you'd have the catcher of your of the future for the A's or else. He will be a major, huge coveted piece that could possibly be traded. Not this year, but bookie it next year.

00:39:08
Speaker 1: Another team to talk about out West. The Diamondbacks took down the Tigers. That was one of the better games on Tuesday night, and we saw the rookie debut of Jose Fernandez, who went two for four with two home runs, including the go ahead shot in the bottom of the eighth that led to the seven to five win for the Diamondbacks. Aj they were down five to one in the bottom of the eighth, Fernandez was already one home run into his performance. Casey Meies was fantastic, by the way, for the Tigers, the bullpen led it up.

00:39:35
Speaker 2: Corbyn Carrol had a big two run.

00:39:38
Speaker 1: Knock and then Fernandez with the two run home run off a ninety two mile an hour Kenley Jansen Cutter.

00:39:43
Speaker 2: I mean that kid had the debut of anyone's dreams.

00:39:47
Speaker 1: I think there have been less than ten people who have made their debut on a two homer game. I think the number was eight ever in baseball history.

00:39:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Tiger's bullpen just fell afar best and Kevin Jansen gave up six last night. You're not gonna see that very often, but it happened last night and the Diamondbacks took advantage of it. And good for Fernandez. And what a debut. Like you said, Skuy, you don't see that very much. Listen something. I mean, I remember my debut. I only got to a bat, so I didn't get two homers, that's for sure.

00:40:19
Speaker 4: A lot of people don't know about Jose Fernandez, and I'm one of them. When I watched his first homeer live yesterday, I was like, Wow, this dude in the box, he looks like create a player. So I went on Baseball Reference. He's listed. Clearly, Baseball Reference does not know a lot about him because he's listed sixty three one sixty five. My guy has put on a few pounds since Baseball Reference just checked in with them. But the fact that he had two homers in his big league debut. Right now, he is the twenty three thousand, six hundred and thirty six player to play or throw a pitch, taking a bat or throw a pitch in a big league game, and less than ten guys have done that in their debut is absolutely incredible.

00:41:04
Speaker 2: Wow, he does not look one sixty five.

00:41:08
Speaker 5: He's not one sixty five.

00:41:09
Speaker 4: That is a large, creative player that was signed out of Venezuela and like kind of floundered for a few years. Like it's okay if it takes guys a little bit longer and burst on the scene. That's the way to make sure you're staying in the big leagues and maybe getting a few more at bats here and there.

00:41:28
Speaker 2: Yep, a couple things on our way out.

00:41:30
Speaker 1: Number one may Day is back today, so you'll get a live Trevor may coming up after our show, which is done in about ninety seconds. To make sure you check it out. Trevor does a lot of what we do as a one man show, so give him some love. Stay on the ft YouTube channel while you're watching a little Day Baseball. That would be nice, Thank you very much. Kratz hats and then we have one fun story with the Orioles after that.

00:41:55
Speaker 4: I mean Max Months he came on, so I had to wear my spring training hat and our guy Clinton behind us scenes. Been grinding all day, so this will make a little bit of a little bit of happy day for him.

00:42:06
Speaker 1: Very nice, good job Climp behind the scenes today. And then our finisher here the Orioles loss to the Rangers. Pete Alnso hit his first homer with the team. It was against his former teammate Jacob de Grom, but Craig albern As, his son and his travel ball team showed up at Camden Yards before the game and they stole the show. There's Pete signing autographs for the kids. The kids shirts say he was our coach first. Whoever put that little idea together? Aj A plus, that's pretty awesome.

00:42:38
Speaker 3: Whoever that was, whether it was Craig's wife or someone in Craig's family or whatever, that's that's pretty awesome.

00:42:44
Speaker 4: The team's probably from New England, so they're just happy that they saw some sunny days. Believe me, New England, they ain't seen much sun now, so they're glad they were in Camdon Yards yesterday.

00:42:56
Speaker 2: Hey, North, I'm in the Northeast this week.

00:42:59
Speaker 5: It's nice.

00:43:00
Speaker 2: Yesterday was sneaky. It's nice. Yeah, you guys know what you're doing a.

00:43:03
Speaker 3: Few months others perfect and I'm just saying no.

00:43:08
Speaker 2: A few months a year Northeast, they know what they're doing. A few months a year, I'm not sure yet. Still figuring that out. You got to take days from each month kind of like roll over, and then clump.

00:43:18
Speaker 5: Them all together and just pick them thegether.

00:43:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's tough, but everyone, there's a ton of day baseball going on, so check that out, but also listen to Trevor May and then we will see you all tomorrow. The one stocks are playing to that, I don't think they're playing until next week.