#325- Shooting Before the Internet: Better or Worse?

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We've got too much nowadays. Used to.

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We didn't have as much.

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And now there's just too much stuff.

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People are too overwhelmed.

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Everything's new, everything's
revolutionary, everything's iconic.

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Everything is game changing.

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And it's not.

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Hi there, and welcome to the Guns
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All. Good morning Roy, wherever you are.

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I know you can't see me.

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You can't see me.

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Well, let me explain.

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If folks are listening to the podcast.

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Roy's not here.

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I mean, he's here, but he's not here.

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You had a lightning strike,
so you got no internet.

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So we're
doing a kind of the old school way.

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I'm recording video on me.

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But you're on the phone now, and,
it's funny, I got patch cords and

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stuff running every which way,
so I can't move because I might unplug

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something, but, you're coming in
wall to wall in tree top tall.

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You sound pretty good.

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So, tell us, tell us quickly about this
lightning strike.

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That's really funny.

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Yeah, I felt like I went out
and started the diesel generator,

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you know, and plugged in the landline and.

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Yeah, you know,
but at many levels, it's actually.

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It was really fun
being off the grid for the last day.

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But yeah, we had one great

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typical classic Missouri lightning storm,

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yesterday, really early in the morning.

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And we host a cell tower for our local,

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internet service.

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And, so, of course, it's

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the tallest thing around with an antenna
at the top of it.

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Bom bom bom.

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Yeah.
I thought, well, who designed this? Yeah.

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And even one of the guys that were out

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fixing it, he was looking at that,
but he said, you know,

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maybe we ought to put like a taller
lightning rod or something, but.

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Well, because this is about the sixth time
it's happened.

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So yeah, we heard this flash bang,
you know,

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and then suddenly all the internet went,
yeah, yeah.

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Well that's crazy.

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I've been, next to two lightning strikes
and it's amazing how

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the world turns white.

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And there's a bang that rattles your,
your giblets and, you know,

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it's hit close when there's no interval
between the white flash and the bang.

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So that's.

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Yeah, that's what this was.

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The, the poles
that the north end of our property.

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So it's like I don't know what that is
five, 4 or 500 yards away from our house.

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And yeah, it was like flash bang. Yeah.

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That's crazy. Well, and.

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Today's topic is,
that you came up with this.

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It's completely relevant
because you were pointing out that

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you really kind of enjoyed
being off the grid.

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So we're going to talk today
about what shooting was like

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before the days of the internet.

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And my goal here is not we're going to
say, are you young guys don't get it.

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The internet sucks.

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We're not going to talk about that,
because I think at this point,

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you know, our feelings,
the good and bad about the internet.

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But we're going to just going to talk
about the day before all this came to pass

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on, on the internet
and all this communication we've got

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and, talk about the world
of shooting at that point.

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So, you know, we both grew up there

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and it was, it was a different world.

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So it occurred to me
when I was talking to Roy

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before we got started,
there was really back in the day,

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there was three places where you got
your you're shooting information from.

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One was gun magazines.

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They kind of ruled the world.

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The other, next one was the gun shop
conversations.

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Typically the old guy setting
at the end of the counter that mostly knew

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what he was talking about.

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And then, of course,

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that one guy at the range or the gun club
there really did

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know what he was talking about.

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And I might add, a fourth
in their catalogs.

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Oh Lord, I used to love
getting those catalogs in the mail.

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So absolutely.

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Yeah, it was a it was a different world.

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It was a different time.

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Things were definitely slower.

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You had to work at it to gain knowledge.

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And that was so much different than today.

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So, Roy, when we're talking nostalgia
and the way it used to be,

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what really sticks
in your mind about shooting,

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Peaceful?

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It was.

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It was more peaceful. I. Agree.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I,
I have a gun digest, the big, thick,

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annual that gun digest used to put out.

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It's like all things shooting, right?

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And they used to always have
a comprehensive catalog of, you know what?

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New guns and ammo and things on the back.

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And this one,
I think, is from about 1964 65.

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Well,
the 22 rifle section is so well thumbed

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by a certain 11 year old boy.

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Yeah.

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And I mean just fingerprints, smudges

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and pencil notes and circles and,

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you know, lines.

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And arrows and paragraphs on the back.

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Yeah.

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Oh, and, you know,
I mean, I took weeks and weeks and weeks

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of reading
and rereading the specs and the price and,

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you know, while I was trying
to make it some decision,

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which, of course, was made for me anyway.

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But it was it was fun to do that.

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But I think it made me think
in those days,

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at the risk of sounding FUD
like and being accused of

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just living in the past,
which at some level I enjoyed the past.

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So there's nothing wrong
with spending time there.

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But if you wanted to buy a gun,

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it wasn't a five minute trip
on the internet.

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You know where you're quickly price shop.

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You quickly go into the factory website.

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You got all the specs
and everything in there.

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And so to me, that kind of demeaned the

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it demeans the buying process
and the anticipation is half the fun.

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Yeah.

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And in those days,
I mean, you had to go to the

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the magazine rack,
look to see what magazines were out,

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look to see what were was on the cover,
look and see what was inside.

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Wait to get your rifle magazine.

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Hoping they were going to have a review
of what you're thinking about.

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Digging through all your past issues.

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And as you say, but

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15 trips to the gun store, you know,
looking at the gun you want to buy and.

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Well, I mean, if it was there, you know,

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because there is no guarantee,
especially at a small local gun shop,

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they might not have that gun
and may not have it for a year or 2 or 3.

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Oh it's true. Yeah, yeah.

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It wasn't just like you jump online to,
you know, one of the, online distributors.

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You know, click buy now. Yeah. And. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Oh, no, that was somebody
picked up the phone and called the sales

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guy at, you know, Smith and Wesson.

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Right.

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You have any of these in stock?

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Well, yeah,
we have one, but we can send you.

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Oh yeah.

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I mean, it was the honestly,
the best thing about it is

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it was
it was analog and it was all analog.

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And if, if you had reference material,

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I mean, that's what your library was.

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I, you know, J.B.

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wood used to write for us and J.B.,
if you don't know him,

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but he used to always used to bill himself
as the oldest living gun writer.

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I mean, when I was editor at handgun,

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or just pretty much before I retired,
Jay was still writing for me.

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And I'm also gave him a job
just because he was iconic, you know?

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Yeah.

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And I read Jay when I was 14 years old,
and then here he was writing for me.

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I it was an amazing sort of complete
the circle thing.

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But Jay was not a computer guy.

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He did not own a computer.

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And he used to type his articles on

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a 1940s era Royal typewriter.

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And people have cut and paste.

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Well, he used to really cut and paste
and put, you know, on the thing.

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But what was interesting is that
I would say if we were on a conversation,

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Jay would say, well,
you know, the 1927 Schwarze

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Luce, had a 3.2in barrel

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and then he would say, or was it a 3.5?

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And then I would be at my computer.

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Of course, I would go click like they
could click a button for five seconds.

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I would say, well, it's 3.2.

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And he said, how did you know that?

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And I said, well, I just jumped online
on the computer and I got the answer.

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And he said, really?

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But Jay would.

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It was he would mail
me letters all the time, and he would have

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blurry Xerox copies of old articles
and pages from his reference collection.

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And he would want to share these things
with me. And.

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Yeah.

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And I always enjoyed it, you know,
because when you talk to somebody

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like that, the old guy at the gun store,
the old guy at the shooting range,

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it's it's living history, you know,

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and and when we lost them

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and are losing them, it's a loss of.

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We used to call call it, corporate
knowledge running in the business world.

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You know, when the old guy retires.

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Oh, my gosh, you you just lost
40 years of experience in your business.

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Yeah. And, and that's what we see now.

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And I see a lot of younger people today.

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And there's nothing wrong
with being younger people.

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There's nothing wrong with doing what
they're doing or anything. But,

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you know,
if you got into shooting a year ago

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and you have an iPhone and a YouTube
channel, that's a lot different

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than somebody
who got into shooting 55 years ago.

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Yeah.

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And, well.

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It it occurred to me, Roy,

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when we were talking
and then when you were talking just then

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and we've talked about this before, that,

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I don't feel like the shooting,

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world really.

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I'm trying to be careful how I say this
doesn't,

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appreciate the past as much as it used to.

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And I suddenly realize it's because
you don't have to learn from the past.

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If if I if I think some cool gun in in,

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Call of Duty is something I'd like to own.

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Like you said, I get on, I see 15 reviews.

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I can find seven places that own or

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where I can have one shipped to my local
gun store.

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There's probably 6 or 8, YouTube

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videos from guys that may or may not know
what they're talking about.

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And again,
before you had to go searching for it and,

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you would always talk to the guy
at the gun store,

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you'd talked to the old guy at the range.

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And, you know, even if they said, well,
that's that's a piece of garbage,

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even though they never held it,
you at least had to seek out

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that institutional knowledge
you were talking about

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and get some, some background
and some basis for what you were doing.

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And now that's gone away.

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So I would say shooters
today are much better informed overall.

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But I think along the way we kind of lost
that, idea that we need to hear

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how it used to be,
what the old guys think.

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And I'm not I'm

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not Buju and and I'm just saying
that's how it's different today that,

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you know, when you see the old crusty
guy out at the range

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and he had all his gear
and he was taking it slow and,

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you know, pouring a cup of coffee,

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you would generally try to work your way
down there to hear what he had to say

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about what you were doing,
what he was doing.

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And, I don't think there's
that same focus anymore.

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And that's one thing that I hate to see
that we've lost.

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I agree with you.

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I mean, you look at I
you had a name for it.

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I think Jim Shepherd said
what the information you see now.

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Yeah. What is a potato. Potato chips.

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You know and

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and while we have this unbelievable
volume of information,

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you only have to look at the shooting wire
every day

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to see hundreds of press releases
about every tiny thing in the world.

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Yeah.

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Which is not anything
we would have seen 30 years ago.

256
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Yeah.

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You know,
I mean, a press release to you and I, 25,

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30 years ago was literally a press release
that got mailed to us, you know,

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were more than likely a print photo,

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you know, and I mean that at many levels.

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I think that it forces you to slow down

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a little bit, forces you to dig harder
to get the information.

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I think we we kept that information
better and longer.

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And, you know, we keep saying, like
the old guy at the end of the counter.

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I think what we forget,
though, is that we were 18 years old,

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and that old guy at the end of the counter
might have been just been 40.

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You know, I.

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Mean, younger than both of us.

269
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Yeah. Great. Yeah, fine.

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Roy, point that out.

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But, you know,
but I mean, if it was his gun store

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or something,
he built this gun store or analog.

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Yeah. You know, in other words, he had.

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Do you remember going into the auto
parts stores?

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And they always had this long cataloged?

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Yep. Machine sitting on the counter. Yep.

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And and you would say, hey,
I need a set of spark plugs

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for 1966 Ford, 289.

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And then the young guy behind the counter
would run over there and go flip,

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flip, flip, flip.

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And then you'd see him
start to narrow it down,

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and then he'd flip, flip,
and his finger would go to a page

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and scroll down
and he'd say to our forebears, carburetor.

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You know, and and then he would write down
what the number was

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and then go in the back room, you know,
and hand you whatever it was you needed.

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And I don't know that he was appreciably
slower than going in the same store today

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where they look it up on the computer.

288
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Well,
especially with the computers down there.

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And I will tell you this, that

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I vividly remember
you go in a store like that

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and so in the old gun stores,
and you would walk up to a counter

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and there would be an older guy
there, right?

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You know, maybe the store owner,
maybe Fred,

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who's been the manager there for 30 years,
and you would say, I need a,

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you know, set of points for a 1959 Rambler
six cylinder.

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And he would look at the young guy
and he would say, it's a ZR 16 dash seven.

297
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It's in the back. Yeah.

298
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Third
shelf down on the right in the blue box.

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Yeah, yeah. Right.

300
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And and it's and same thing
for the gun store.

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You'd go and you'd say, you know, hey,
I was thinking that,

302
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you know,
that there's that Smith and Wesson.

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It's a this and it had these features.

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And then someone would invariably say,
oh, you mean it's a model 17?

305
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I remember
they first came out in about 71.

306
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Yeah.

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They had a six inch barrel.

308
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You could get Magna Stocks or Bond Carlo.

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All right.

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You know, and it's like nowadays
it's hard to find people who can do that.

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Yeah.

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I mean, they jump on their computer
and they go, oh, let me see, you know.

313
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Yeah. So.

314
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Well and the one point that I brought up
and you kind of touched on

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there is catalogs,
I was so enamored with catalogs.

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And you know, I've said before,

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I was so into everything,
I've got a short attention span.

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So, you know, I was into scuba
diving and hunting and fishing and data.

319
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You know, so I had catalogs
for all that stuff, and I would just

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sit for hours and hours
and do the same thing.

321
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I was the same way with outdoor and gun
magazines.

322
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And I, but I kept them all,
and I got rid of all my outdoor life

323
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and sports, a field which I kicked myself.

324
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But but it was the catalogs
that I tended to gravitate to, and I just,

325
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I would wear those things out.

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And it was literally my nighttime bedside
reading

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that I would just sit there and just.

328
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And I think it goes back to,

329
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we're old enough.

330
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Do you remember the Sears wish book?

331
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You know?

332
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Yeah, that's
that's not even a thing anymore.

333
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But Sears sold everything in the world.

334
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It put Walmart to shame.

335
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And, you know, they had this especially
around Christmas when you were a kid,

336
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had this giant catalog
which every toy you know ever invented.

337
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And then as I got older, the
the Ted Williams line of guns,

338
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and they sold all that stuff
through mail order and,

339
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you know, eventually you had to go to the,
the local store to pick it up.

340
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But, they had stuff
you'd never seen of, you'd never heard of.

341
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And, these kind of airbrush guys
striding through the field

342
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with a couple of pheasants
and it was just, such a magical thing.

343
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And I just dreamed and wished,

344
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you know, against all hope
that someday I would have that.

345
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And I could do that,
and I'd own four of those. And

346
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here we are today were a

347
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few keystrokes, and I can find everything
I ever wanted to know about it.

348
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It's just not the same for me. It's not?

349
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No, it's not satisfying the way it was.

350
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It's it's it is.

351
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Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

352
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And in other words,
when when we didn't have access

353
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to the internet
and this potato chip bag full of,

354
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you know, unnecessary flooded information

355
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when you got that catalog from Ruger,
I mean, that was the only way

356
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you got that information,
you know, and to gaze at that picture

357
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of the Ruger 1022 or the, you know, the
whatever it is you're looking at,

358
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that was the only time you could see it,
you know, so you couldn't just always

359
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go back to your computer and open up

360
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500 websites with pictures of it
and people shooting it on YouTube.

361
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And, you know, this was it.

362
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And so it was in your own
mind is when you did this,

363
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what you're talking about,
you had these adventures in your mind.

364
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You're imagining yourself walking with it.

365
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You can smell the the empty,

366
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shotgun shell,
you know, and and I think that

367
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because it was, it was a limited palette

368
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for us that it meant more.

369
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And and I think that
that is a very good thing.

370
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And a lot of people today, younger
people don't have that.

371
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In other words,
it's instant gratification.

372
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Yeah.

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I mean, I remember one of the funnest
things in the world to be was

374
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but you mentioned the, the, Sears
catalog was Montgomery Ward's, of course.

375
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Right.

376
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And the other ones. But

377
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when I used to get the Brown Al's catalog

378
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and I've got, you know, 40 years ago.

379
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Yeah, right.

380
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I got my first Brown House catalog.

381
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That information wasn't anywhere else.

382
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You couldn't buy that stuff anywhere else?

383
00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,600
No. You couldn't go to a store and get,
you know, the gunsmithing tools.

384
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And so I would go through the catalog
and trying to stay within

385
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my budget, you know,
and you fold down the pages on your mark.

386
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And that was before post-it notes,
you know, so you'd use a piece of paper

387
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that you put in each page.

388
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And then finally
I would decide what I wanted.

389
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And then, of course,
now this is going to seem like strange

390
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light from another planet
to some young people who are listening.

391
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But you would you would tear out the order
blank that was in the catalog.

392
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Right.

393
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,840
And an
envelope usually that was part of it.

394
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And then you would fill it out
and write your address

395
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and write what you want
and then write a check.

396
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,360
Right. Yeah.

397
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Put it in there, put a five cent stamp
on it or whatever it was and mail it.

398
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And then it would take a week
or ten days to get there.

399
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Then they would take a week
or ten days to process it,

400
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and then it would take a week or ten days.

401
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And so, you know, a month or six weeks

402
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,800
later, you'd get a little box in the mail
from Brown else with the stuff you got.

403
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Yeah.

404
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:40,080
And meanwhile you were, you were
it was exciting to, to get the catalog.

405
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It was exciting to look through it.

406
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,520
It was fun to drop that mail in the

407
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in the post office box because you knew
that it was going to happen.

408
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:51,880
Yeah. Right. Yeah.

409
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,480
And then you you waited, waited, waited.
Wait a minute.

410
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And then that box appears magically
and you open it up

411
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and it's like Christmas time.

412
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And I'm sorry, it's
not the same when you click on Amazon.

413
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,080
And that afternoon,

414
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you get whatever it was you just bought.

415
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,000
Yeah. You know.

416
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We just did that.

417
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I, I've got some new windows here in the,
the grand studio and it's wonderful.

418
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,600
But I had to add some, new sensors
for our alarm system.

419
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,320
And again, back in the old days,
it would be even hard to find those.

420
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,120
And you couldn't do it yourself.
But I went to Amazon.

421
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I clicked on what I wanted,
and they brought it that afternoon.

422
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,760
And it's like, man, that, you know,
I always remember the few times as a kid

423
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especially, I, I remember I sent away
for my parents, let me buy a ant farm.

424
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And it seemed like it
took months and months

425
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,840
and then it got there and I didn't realize
the ants didn't come with it.

426
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So I had to send away the certificate
and wait.

427
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:55,320
And and you know, I love that
we have the instant gratification.

428
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,680
I can get virtually anything I want.

429
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,720
You know, nowadays, if something says
it'll take 7 to 10 days, like,

430
00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:03,800
I know it won't, I'll go somewhere else.

431
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,960
But, you know,
it really taught you patience,

432
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,440
about everything, in life.

433
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,400
Because there was no instant
gratification.

434
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Virtually none.

435
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,760
And everything you did,
you had to take it slow,

436
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,760
as you say, analog, and search around
and look for things.

437
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:25,080
And you just just because you wanted
something didn't mean you got you got it.

438
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,120
And another analogy I'll use is,
I remember when I got Spotify,

439
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,440
which is, you know, online music platform
and I'm a, I'm a big music guy.

440
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:38,240
And I realized, oh my goodness,
I have virtually every song

441
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:42,520
ever recorded at my fingertips
and I can take it everywhere.

442
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,920
And, you know, back in the day
when I had my portable, record player

443
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and then obviously my, my component
stereo system with the giant speakers,

444
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,320
I don't know what I would have done
if somebody had said, here's a magic box,

445
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that you can have every song
ever recorded.

446
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And run it through your, your stereo.

447
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And it's like, I, I just often wonder.

448
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:03,880
I sit back and think,

449
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,160
I don't think we understand

450
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:12,280
how that's changed the human psyche, even,
even now about the ability

451
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,240
to get what you want, when you want it
and anything you want.

452
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,960
I'm sure there's a lot of downsides, and,

453
00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:23,640
it just it has changed everything.

454
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,240
So I, I agree, Troy, people
I don't think appreciate the,

455
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the the what we have today.

456
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And I'm not Pooh poohing it,
but it's so different.

457
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,240
And it
it is wonderful when you want something.

458
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,160
You get it right now.

459
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,040
But it sure didn't used to be that way
about anything in the old days.

460
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,960
No. And it taught us patience and
it taught us to appreciate what we had.

461
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:51,280
And, and it it taught us
how to work with a limited palette.

462
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:51,960
Yeah.

463
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,200
You know, I mean, I remember
going to the store and if you wanted

464
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,920
watercolors, you bought, like, a
this little tray and had six watercolors.

465
00:23:58,920 --> 00:23:59,280
Yeah.

466
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:00,200
You know,

467
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,680
and because I like the paint and,

468
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,160
and now I was in the Hobby Lobby
or something the other day and there,

469
00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:11,360
I mean, there's hundreds of choices
and hundreds of, you know, it's just

470
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,720
it means that I guess I it's hard
to describe, but I think,

471
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I think people today,

472
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,200
it's we we're spoiled,
but we're also overwhelmed.

473
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:23,840
Okay. That's a big one.

474
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:24,720
Yeah.

475
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,760
I have I do listen to Amazon Music, right?

476
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,280
I work at my workbench,
I listen to Amazon Music.

477
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,240
But but I have noticed that generally all

478
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,160
I listen to is they have a link
called Your Most Played.

479
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,480
Yeah. Right.

480
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,360
And it's, you know, kind of new agey,

481
00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:45,640
restful background,
a little bit of classical kind of stuff.

482
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,920
I mean, I have access to millions of songs
and I don't listen

483
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,960
to any of them virtually, you know.

484
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,520
Me too. And.

485
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:53,840
Yeah.

486
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,160
And, and I,
we still have a really huge CD collection.

487
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:03,120
And more often than not,
you know, I just go to the CD cabinet

488
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:07,400
we have and I go, you find yourself
looking at you go, oh, I remember that.

489
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,560
I forgot we had this one, right? Yeah.

490
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,480
And you put it on
and you take your right back somewhere.

491
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,480
But but that and you don't get that.

492
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,640
I think by just tuning in to,
you're on Spotify or something like that.

493
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,000
Maybe I'm wrong,
I don't know, I mean, you and I are, are

494
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,280
Chuck Nichols and the
we have computers and digital things

495
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,800
and we're doing this podcast and I have,
you know, a module on my car, right.

496
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,320
And plugged in and all that kind of stuff.

497
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:34,880
So it's not like we're,

498
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,080
you know, Neanderthals
with regarding all this kind of stuff.

499
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,080
If somebody if some young kid
is talking to me about the new Apple

500
00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:45,920
laptop that they just introduced,
I know what he's talking about.

501
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:46,400
Yeah.

502
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:51,200
You know, and I, I evaluated and think,
would that be good for me to have.

503
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:56,760
So it's not that we're not in touch
with modern technology, but last night

504
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,800
where Susie and I
used to kind of wind down early

505
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,880
in the evening, you know, six,
7:00 or something like that.

506
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:03,960
We have a little dinner.

507
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,400
Sit down,
watch a BritBox British show or something.

508
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,120
Right.

509
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:15,400
Well, last night we didn't, so I stayed in
the garage and I listened to a CD.

510
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,760
And I worked on some guns

511
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,760
projects I wanted to do for myself,
and it was very peaceful.

512
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,120
It was very restful. Yeah, yeah.

513
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,560
You know, on that point,

514
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,160
that's what kills me now, as you hear
people talk about, I did a digital detox

515
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,960
and I read a story not too long ago
about, you know, detoxing on the airplane.

516
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,240
And, and it, it was written
by a young person and made it sound like

517
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,520
it was climbing Mount
Everest to be disconnected for 2.5 hours.

518
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,840
And I thought, yeah,
they call it going animal.

519
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,800
Exactly. And going feral. Yeah.

520
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,000
I've heard a bunch of different
going feral. Yeah.

521
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,840
It's like you all need to do that.

522
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,760
And it's funny,
you know, as I look at maybe retirement

523
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,920
some day, I've said I'm going
to get rid of my computer and my laptop

524
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,920
and, and my phone
and just be that guy and all my friends.

525
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,840
Oh, there's no. Way I said no,
I think I could do it.

526
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,440
I know you could do it, Roy.

527
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,520
So, but like you said, we are definitely,
I'm kind of proud.

528
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:19,040
I had an extensive CD collection,
vinyl collection, movie collection,

529
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:24,800
and I digitized it, and I have a server,
so I can listen or watch that.

530
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,800
Any place
that I've got connectivity to my house.

531
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,120
And, it's been nice,
but I find myself usually

532
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,680
going back to, like you said on Spotify,
I listen to 70s.

533
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,240
60s, and,
you know, I'm big into country music.

534
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,560
And that's that came as I was older
and I was with my brother yesterday,

535
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,880
and he was listening.

536
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,840
He tuned the station to, modern Country.

537
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:48,120
I'm like,

538
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,280
that's that's awful stuff.

539
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,280
And I put on one of my playlist of,
you know,

540
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,720
rednecks, white socks and blue
ribbon beer.

541
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,680
And he's like, yeah, that's music.

542
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,240
And yeah, okay, there.

543
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,160
I'm going total fuck on you.

544
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:08,720
But, anyway, we're not troglodytes
when it comes to, technology.

545
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,560
It's just we've seen it both ways.

546
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,080
And there's advantages to both, I get it.

547
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,280
But one thing I wanted to
to tune it back into, the gun world

548
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,480
kind of talk about.

549
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,880
You touched on something.

550
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,240
I think this is part of the problem.

551
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,840
We've got too much nowadays.

552
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:26,400
Used to.

553
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,520
We didn't have as much.

554
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,200
And now there is,

555
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,560
for a lot of different reasons.

556
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,120
There's just too much stuff.

557
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:35,720
People are too overwhelmed.

558
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,520
I find myself paralyzed.

559
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,440
Analysis or paralysis by analysis?

560
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,720
You know, you don't just have,

561
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,680
one, say, moon clip for your revolver.

562
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,120
You got 50 different manufacturers,
and each claims to be the best ever.

563
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,520
And it's that way
with every single product category.

564
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,160
And you and I, I've talked about it.

565
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,160
It gets pretty jaded at this point
that everything's new, everything's

566
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,760
revolutionary, everything's iconic,
everything is game changing and it's not.

567
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,800
And you just think, in my mind,
there's always that,

568
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,280
am I really buying the right stuff here?

569
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,400
Because you just don't know.
But talk about that.

570
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,320
That, plethora

571
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,640
that we had, the plethora of choices
we have today in the shooting world.

572
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,480
It's just,

573
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,480
more than I ever imagined 40 years ago.

574
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,600
Well, you should be
if you ever to go shoot your 22 rifle.

575
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,280
You went to Fred Mart or Kmart
or the local

576
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,160
gun store,
and you bought a box or two of 99 cent

577
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,360
22 ammo, and there was only a half a dozen
different makers.

578
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,200
I was going to say if that. Yeah, yeah.

579
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:45,000
And you went out, you and George your day
shooting and you shot maybe 100 rounds.

580
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,320
You know, nobody
or I should say not nobody, but few people

581
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,600
would go out
and burn through a brick of 20 twos.

582
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:52,200
Yeah.

583
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,600
You know, I mean, it just didn't happen.

584
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,840
It was really funny. And, you know what?

585
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,960
I was reading the other day
that the average person in today's

586
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:07,160
digital world is subjected to 2
to 5000 advertisements a day.

587
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,360
I believe it. So, yeah.

588
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,360
And because people say, well, no,
I don't think so.

589
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,280
We'll just go, oh, turn on your computer,
go to any website.

590
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,400
You're going
to, you know, any forum, any news, any.

591
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,600
And it's constant
advertising feeds everywhere.

592
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:25,560
Yeah. Right.

593
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,440
So we really are overwhelmed.

594
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:33,280
And I mean if you do a Google search
or are like DuckDuckGo

595
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,760
a little advertisement for DuckDuckGo, but

596
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:37,880
and you do

597
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,760
20 to ammo options,

598
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,760
well, you better sit down,

599
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:44,640
you know.

600
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:44,920
Yeah.

601
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,800
And and I think it's
it can be overwhelming.

602
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,920
I think it's simplify is important.

603
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,880
When I started woodworking, I,

604
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,480
you know, 25 years ago.

605
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,040
Seriously,
you know, I would get the woodworking

606
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,720
catalogs and whatnot, and you would say,
oh, I need one of those.

607
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:02,440
I need one of those.

608
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,120
I need one of those, I need one of those,
and I bought a lot of those.

609
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,600
And then as time goes by,
I realize actually, that we.

610
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:12,080
Really.

611
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,240
Need about 20% of what I bought. Yep.

612
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,400
And and it's almost like that
most listened to music,

613
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,400
you know, in my shop, I have the tools
that I use to build everything.

614
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:25,680
Yeah.

615
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,000
You know, and it's you're always
going to them, you know, and the fancy

616
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,280
things I bought because I thought
I needed, you actually really don't need.

617
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,560
And so I see that in the industry today.

618
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,680
I mean, when we were young and we went to
the gun store and we, we had been saving

619
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:47,120
and we were going to buy a gun,
some new gun about some.

620
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,400
And then we could afford
a box of ammunition for it.

621
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,280
Well, gosh, it was exciting.

622
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,680
And it was, you know, we it took time,
it took energy,

623
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,880
it took research,
it took in talking to people who knew.

624
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,720
It took driving to the gun store.

625
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,400
It took, you know, all of that. Yeah.

626
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,760
Which to me makes that experience
more worthwhile and memorable.

627
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,000
Because, yeah, I ordered
something from Amazon this morning.

628
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,280
And I'll be honest with you, I absolutely
don't even remember what I ordered.

629
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,600
Yeah, it's not like
when everybody gathered around

630
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,640
when the postman brought you this package.

631
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,440
Oh, what have you got?
What have you got out?

632
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,440
There's 17 boxes at the front door now.

633
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:30,360
But that's it.

634
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,400
Well, and I'm want to challenge listeners
and the and this is the challenge

635
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,480
because I do this all the time.

636
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:41,200
If I'm going to go spend the day
on the tractor, my, I turn my phone off.

637
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,480
Yeah. It's off.

638
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,440
The only reason I have it with me
is in case I.

639
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,120
The tractor tries to kill me. Yeah.

640
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,560
And but turn it off.

641
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,160
No text messages,
no listening to music in the background.

642
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,040
No anything.

643
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:58,360
Yeah.

644
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,160
And, you know, I have to tell you,
it is really restful.

645
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,400
It's it's the I would equate it to this.

646
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,120
Put a 50 pound backpack on

647
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,280
and carry it around
all day and then take it off

648
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,520
and it's like, oh,

649
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,120
it's, you know, and and do that.

650
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,040
And so just detach yourself.

651
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,360
I mean it's hard any more could
you said catalogs

652
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,440
I it's almost impossible
to get catalogs anymore.

653
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:27,720
Yeah.

654
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:33,480
You know when I, when I first started
writing, when I was with, our FMG.

655
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,440
So this would have been the really
early 90s when I was kind of doing it

656
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,640
pretty much a masthead writer at 91, 92.

657
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,440
When we went to the shot
show the last day, a shot show,

658
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:50,160
everyone would be assigned
a section of the shot show.

659
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,280
Yeah.

660
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,360
And you would walk in and pick up catalogs
from all the boots? Yep.

661
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,200
You know, of any note?

662
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:03,240
So then we would box them up and we would
ship back, usually, like 10 or 12.

663
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,720
File, you know, office file boxes. Yep.

664
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,040
Full catalogs.

665
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,880
And I. Did that as a freelancer.

666
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,600
I remember one year
I shipped home 20 pounds of literature,

667
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,160
and it's like, oh, yeah.

668
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,440
Well, that was the only thing, you know.

669
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,120
And every once in a while, like
in the late 90s, someone would have a CD.

670
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,600
It's like, whoa, oh, this is, you know,
this is space age.

671
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:28,440
Yeah.

672
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,880
If you needed a picture for we're going
to round up of hunting knives.

673
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,720
Well,
you would go to the catalogs in the office

674
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:41,000
and look up in the knife section, and
then you would see what catalogs you have.

675
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,360
What were new knives for the last shot
show?

676
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,040
Yeah.

677
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,280
And then hopefully in the catalog.

678
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,480
So they were press kits.

679
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,120
There were prints of whatever
the knives are.

680
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,440
If not, you would call them
and they would mail you a print.

681
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:56,640
Right.

682
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,640
And I'm not saying that was better,
but that's just the way it is.

683
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,760
I remember the days you used my daughter
Madison when she was little,

684
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,280
like 10 or 12 years old.

685
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,920
She would come in
and she would spend like three days

686
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,200
pulling out the old catalogs
and filing the new.

687
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,480
What was it, you know, in the office?

688
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:15,600
Yeah, but

689
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,120
but I'll tell you
what's really interesting,

690
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,080
though,
is that you get to really know stuff.

691
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,080
I mean, when you go
and you look through all these catalogs,

692
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,080
I mean, you really have a sense of
of the depths

693
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,080
of what's going on
and the industry and people.

694
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,320
But nowadays,
I mean, if you want to do experience

695
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,160
the joy of getting the new Remington
catalog in the mail and sitting down

696
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,600
like that joy we used to have

697
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,320
when the latest Guns and Ammo or Guns
magazine would appear. Yep.

698
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,920
And it's like,

699
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,120
you knew

700
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,720
you were going to sit down to relax
and have your cup of coffee or whatever,

701
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:53,280
and it was going to be very fun
for the next hour or two.

702
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,040
Well, and you learned something that
you didn't know you were going to learn.

703
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,040
That's part we've identified that as part
of the problem today is everything is.

704
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,520
So thanks to algorithms,
everything is so narrowly niched

705
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,240
that if you're into long distance
coyote hunting in the Midwest,

706
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,640
that's all you're going to see.
And hear about.

707
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,080
And back then, you might not have
any interest in going to Africa,

708
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,000
but suddenly you'd read a story
about going to Africa and that would that,

709
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,840
I think, sparked those many directions of,
you know,

710
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,840
I never thought about doing that,
but maybe I ought to try sometime.

711
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,200
So. Oh, we used to hear about it all
the time from readers because they would

712
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,200
say, you know, I but like especially
the subscribers to guns magazine,

713
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,840
because you would cover shotguns
and rifles and handguns and hunting and,

714
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,160
you know, and everything, every right
gunsmithing every ammo, everything.

715
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,360
And people would tell me all the time,
they would say, well, you know, I'm

716
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:50,840
mostly a rifle shooter, but I always enjoy
reading the other articles

717
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,680
because it exposes me to things
I would normally be exposed to.

718
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:55,240
Yeah.

719
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:58,880
And and I don't think
the people don't get that.

720
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,080
I don't know if they
if you jump onto your computer, Google

721
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,480
and you and you type in random articles
about

722
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,600
shooting and hunting and, you know,
I mean, who knows

723
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,440
what you're going to come up with,
but it's not going to be vetted and, and,

724
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,360
and formatted.

725
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,360
And, you know, it's
just going to be this random, you know.

726
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,440
Probably now I slop.

727
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:22,800
And it'll be I slap.

728
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,120
The yeah, the magazine on your revolver
needs to be kept clean.

729
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,240
What?

730
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:28,280
Oh, yeah.

731
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,480
Let's talk about why you need a magazine
in revolver.

732
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:32,960
The history.

733
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:33,120
Yeah.

734
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,640
And the history
of why you have a magazine on a remote.

735
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,440
Yeah. No. And no, I you.

736
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,160
It's just not.

737
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,480
It's not the same. It's not the. Same.

738
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,640
It's like it's a quality of life.

739
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,560
And I think, yes, we take advantage
of the, of the convenience of it

740
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:51,280
and, and yes, I like having the navigation
app in my phone,

741
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,320
you know, but I used to have a map book
and I'm sorry,

742
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,920
but if we had to have a map, I'd say like,
okay, what?

743
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

744
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,760
Still, I mean, I still got my file drawer
full of them.

745
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,440
I know at some level I would actually kind
of like it, you know?

746
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:07,360
And so,

747
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,080
Well.

748
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,960
A couple of points I want to make
as we wrap this, special semi

749
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,320
video semi-auto edition up is analog.

750
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,400
Yes, yes. No.

751
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,680
Something that you said
that really struck me.

752
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,240
And this is just an observation.

753
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:27,520
Maybe we can, discuss
it further in another episode, but,

754
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,560
you know,
we didn't used to dump ammunition.

755
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:34,520
We didn't burn ammunition, like you said.

756
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,280
Even if you bought 50 rounds of 22,
you usually took some home with you.

757
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:43,480
And the day, you know, if if you felt
extravagant, you might do a mag dump.

758
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,120
But I always felt afterwards like, well,
I kind of wasted that.

759
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,880
And these days of buying,
you know, a case of nine millimeter

760
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,800
and burning it in one range session
that never, ever, ever, ever happened.

761
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:01,000
And, again, I think it's just that whole
mindset of, of resources were limited.

762
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,520
And it was something that you did feel
like you needed to conserve.

763
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,520
So I thought that was a, an interesting

764
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,200
observation that, that you brought up
when we were talking about it.

765
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,680
And the other thing,
oh, go ahead. I'll go ahead.

766
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:15,560
Well, I was gonna say,

767
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,200
if you think about it, I mean, yes,
I have cases of ammunition.

768
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:20,880
You know, some of that was left over

769
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,360
because I needed it,
because of what our career was.

770
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:23,960
Yeah.

771
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,200
Writing and doing and testing millions
of guns and all that kind of stuff.

772
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,600
But I vividly remember
the days that weren't horribly long ago

773
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,640
where I would look at my ammo shelf
and I would say,

774
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,440
well, there's five boxes or 308
and there's two bricks at 22,

775
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,760
and I've got six boxes
of a nine millimeter.

776
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:43,720
And I was. Purposely.

777
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:46,360
I thought, whoa, yeah, yeah, that's a lot.

778
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:51,400
You know,
I mean, slots shooting a box of 59

779
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,400
millimeter at one time was,

780
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,440
it's like maybe sometimes, you know.

781
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:58,920
Yeah.

782
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:00,920
And now I

783
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,000
had, somebody just sent me a reader
sent me a picture.

784
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,440
Hey, I want to show you
how good I shot at the range,

785
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,960
and it was a silhouette
target at the range from ten yards.

786
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,160
And he told me he had shot
200 rounds at it. Wow.

787
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,640
You know, and so it was just like,
you know, it looked like a pattern.

788
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,040
Yeah. Right.

789
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,720
And, I never saw that

790
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:24,760
at the range, you know, in there before.

791
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,760
Yeah. You know, I remember.

792
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,760
Back in the, the cop days, they,
you know, a course a fire was generally 50

793
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,280
and you might do that 2 or 3 times
and it's like.

794
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,320
Man, I burned 150. Rounds today.

795
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,040
And that's I think that's a normal day
on the range for a lot of folks.

796
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:44,400
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Way more than that. Yeah.

797
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,120
You know.

798
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,120
Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm with you
because I remember

799
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,920
well even today I go out on my back
patio here and I'll shoot

800
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:57,040
a couple of cylinder fulls for a revolver
or maybe half a dozen single shot rifles.

801
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,680
And I savor it.

802
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,480
And what's like a good wine, right?

803
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,320
You know, you don't gulp a good wine down.

804
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:05,760
Yeah. Well, it's.

805
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,200
You shouldn't, right,
unless someone else is buying it. But,

806
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,040
but I but you should sip it.

807
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:13,200
Yeah.

808
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,920
You know,
and I think in today's shooting industry

809
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,600
and, aficionados, everyone is gulping.

810
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,080
Yeah, that's a good point.

811
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,000
Not everyone. Yeah.

812
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,040
Not everyone. I'm generalizing.

813
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,040
I understand that there are people
with good taste or people who would,

814
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,880
you know, do whatever it is they do.

815
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,480
And if you want a gulp, that's fine
too. Yeah.

816
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,240
But but there are other options
that just might be more enjoyable.

817
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:39,040
Yeah.

818
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:44,320
Well, I was going to say, quality over
quantity has kind of gone by the wayside.

819
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,720
So that's something that folks may want
to, to consider next time you go out.

820
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:52,680
And like Roy said, if you want to burn
a case, ammo, knock yourself out.

821
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,080
That's the sound of freedom
going down range.

822
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,800
But there's also, joy in bringing back
that half box of 50 rounds.

823
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,160
If you accomplish what you want to do,
accomplish on your day, on the range.

824
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,000
And the final thing I'm going to say,
you beat me to the point

825
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,680
we didn't even talk about this,
but you beat me.

826
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,560
To the point is, regardless of your age,
take a digital detox today.

827
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,560
Go 24 hours. The world will not end.

828
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:19,000
You will not end up, you know, in a whole,

829
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,680
life will go on
and it'll help you appreciate that.

830
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,840
Life does go on.

831
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,360
Even if you're not connected
24 over seven.

832
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,200
So again,
we're not harsh on modern technology

833
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,840
and the internet, but boy,
the world was certainly different.

834
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,640
And I, I do agree with you.

835
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,080
I think it was just more peaceful. So.

836
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,600
You know, let me, let me I'd like
to end with one quick thing.

837
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,360
Not too long ago,

838
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,680
I got a reader, email,
and it was pretty long.

839
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,880
I thought, well,
what's this all about? Right.

840
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,600
And he was talking about something,
and it really struck a chord with me

841
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,040
was he said, you know, I've been reading
American Handgun and Guns magazine for

842
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:00,200
about ten years.

843
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,120
His younger guy in his 30s, late 30s.

844
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,720
And he said, when I first
started shooting, I went and I bought

845
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,840
some maps and armors and,

846
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,240
you know,
and that all the normal commodity guns

847
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,080
and he said,
and after years of reading articles

848
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:24,120
and he said, especially your articles,
he says, it dawned on me finally that

849
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,000
most of you guys favor uniqueness or

850
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,640
something of higher quality
or craftsmanship

851
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:37,400
or custom features
or you you don't really settle

852
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,520
for the common denominators
that everyone has.

853
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:41,880
Yeah.

854
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,840
And and he's right, you know,
and it comes with experience.

855
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,280
But I because I bought my share commodity
guns as a kid definitely couldn't

856
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,120
afford anything else. Right. Yeah. But

857
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,040
but I think that's an important point.

858
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:02,400
And that is that in your, in your headlong
race through your shooting

859
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,440
hobby is, you know, just stop,

860
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,440
like you say,
unplug a little bit, stop gulping,

861
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:14,000
and learn to savor the, the,
the good tastes that are out there.

862
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,440
And I think you'll have a lot more fun.
So I.

863
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,360
Totally agreed.

864
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,360
So let us know what you think.

865
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,520
If you're an older shooter
or a more experienced shooter,

866
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,520
let's hear your nostalgic reminisces.

867
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,040
And if you're a younger shooter,

868
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,040
let us know how you feel
about the world today.

869
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:36,240
And if you really like all this,
everything, all the time, 24 over seven,

870
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:39,480
or if if you, yearn for the days
where maybe things

871
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,840
were a little bit simpler,
I'd like to hear, some of those insights.

872
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,800
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873
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874
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875
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876
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877
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878
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,880
Well, Roy, I forgot to mention
if you want to reach out to us,

879
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,920
if you're watching on YouTube
or watching Roy's, pretty static face.

880
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,200
You can leave us a comment.

881
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,040
Or you can reach out to both of us
at editor at guns podcast.

882
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,640
Dot us and and Roy, I'm
going to try and dig through my, archives

883
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,640
and find some really bizarro
pictures of you

884
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,200
and, probably go back through
some old videos in the Bay today.

885
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,800
How beautiful day today in the Bay

886
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,760
was really well, to be my friend.

887
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:36,880
Can you say.

888
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:37,200
Just.

889
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,880
It's funny when you get those auto
generated things sometimes it's, you know,

890
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,760
the. And I'll try to use
a lot of those photos

891
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,440
for when I pop your face up on the screen.

892
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:48,440
Well, you know what?

893
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,320
Well, do me a favor. Is,

894
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:52,560
I probably have some laying

895
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:57,480
around, dig up some, photos of catalogs.

896
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,600
Oh, yeah, and old gun catalogs and stuff.

897
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,160
You know, maybe some pictures
of old gun stores and pictures of,

898
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,320
you know, 22 boxes and stuff like that,
you know?

899
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:10,280
I mean, let me know.

900
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,440
I'll help you with those because I think

901
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,240
as we talk about that stuff,
I think people may enjoy seeing it.

902
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:16,240
Yeah, exactly.

903
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:20,040
I have one I, one reader
who was in his late 80s and about twice

904
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,400
a year, he sends me,
a Priority mail medium sized box

905
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,480
packed with, catalogs.

906
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,840
Yeah, that he's collected over the years.

907
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,000
And this is stuff like from the late 50s,
you know, and 60s.

908
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,400
And it's I just
I always just take this swooning

909
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,400
scroll down memory lane, you know, it's.

910
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,160
Well, you. You make a really good point.

911
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,640
The, 70th anniversary
issue of guns magazine,

912
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:52,440
of which I was the editor, last
January's issue, we did a retrospective.

913
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,480
I scanned a whole bunch of those.

914
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,320
You know, military rifle 995,
shipped directly to your.

915
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,160
Home, and, Yeah.

916
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,560
You wish. Run those?
Yeah, I'll run some of those.

917
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:03,360
Well. Great idea.

918
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,200
So, a couple other quick,
housekeeping notes, of course.

919
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,680
Roy, just bought a sweatshirt
that says guns.

920
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,040
Podcast dot U.S.

921
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,960
We've got some, Yeah, coffee mugs.

922
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,440
I'm pleased to say the site is working

923
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,840
well and the products are great quality.

924
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,000
We use a third party

925
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,920
that's not, you know,
something that I, I, Roy is not building,

926
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,680
or sewing or or a sweatshirts
or t shirts, but,

927
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,320
I am pleased to say that the quality is
good.

928
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,400
I'm happy with it.

929
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,080
We wish they were a little less expensive,

930
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,080
but when you're talking small quantities,
it's just the way it is.

931
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,840
But if you would like to impress
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932
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933
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,600
wear your hoodie or t shirt,
it's it's all there.

934
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:55,800
Go to guns podcast dot u.s of course
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935
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,200
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936
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,240
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937
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:04,760
You can also watch
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938
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,160
So that's our preferred
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939
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,120
But of course we're all on
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940
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,240
So anyway, Roy, any any parting thoughts

941
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:17,240
about the great nostalgia of shooting?

942
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,200
Well, I ordered a sweatshirt online,

943
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,200
just like everybody would do.

944
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,640
And it was easy,
and it arrived pretty timely.

945
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And what amazed me
was that my wife, Susie,

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who is, shall I say, hard to please.

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That she likes it.

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Yeah.

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I mean, she doesn't like anything nice,
you know? So.

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So she actually wearing it,
and it's pretty fun.

951
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It it did my heart good to hear hear
you say that.

952
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So, Yeah. And the. Truth. So check it out.

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Guns podcast dot U.S.

954
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:55,120
And, there's a bunch of other stuff there.

955
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,040
You may enjoy reading some of my
my drivel and diatribe.

956
00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:00,920
There are guns podcast you asked.

957
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,680
So anyway, of course, on, behalf of Roy

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Huntington and my, audio
only co-host this week.

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Hopefully it'll be back on the internet.

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You'll see his live action shining face.

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But, anyway, I'm your host,
Brant Wade, here on the guns

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podcast, U.S,
brought to you by guns magazine.

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And as we always say, now it's time to get
out there and get shooting.