My Big Fat Greek Wedding with George Civeris

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I don't know why it's not good but anyways, but rest a, we've lifted it today, back down, putting back down. But we are very excited for today's guest and for today's movie. So help us in welcoming. He's straightened up. He's a comedian. He's been featured in the Just for Last Festival. He's visiting from New York City. Ever heard of it. It's George Sabars Sabas the only good man. Welcome After you repeated them, Well, I repeat, women say to me, and that's how I learned. How else would I know anything? Yeah, as we learned from the movie. Um, there was one line where he's like, this is why women shouldn't learn. It was literally, this is why women shouldn't get an education. After thirty years, he let her take one computer class, which I whatever we can get, we'll get into it. We'll get into it. It's like, what did she learn at that computer class? Do you mean the computers and tourism seminar? She's a hacker. If she needs computers, it's pretty sure you're just calling American airlines. It's actually a prequel to Hackers, a favorite. Yeah, God, let's check out our Bonus Matron episode on Hacker. This movie, well, it does have Joey Fatone, which I forgot and I squee I was watching it at work. So we're talking about my big fat Greek wedding. Yes, so George tell us your history your relationship with this movie. Okay, Well, just like very quick background on my ethnic identity. Um, my parents are fully Greek and they grew up in Greece and then they moved here for grad school. Then I was born specifically to get American citizenship, and then I was like shipped back to Greece. Um. And then throughout my life, I moved back and forth between Greece in America. So I was in Greece in my early childhood. Then I lived in New Jersey from like second grade to eighth grade, and then I moved back to Greece for high school. So and this movie came out when I was living in New Jersey. So it was like at the point where I was very much like a Greek American and like had not gotten back in touch with my Greek character after moving back for high school, so it was very like relatable to me. Um. So I guess it came out when I was in I was like twelve, and then I watched it enough times where I'm not exaggerating, I could recite the movie every single word of it from beginning to end with my best friend at the time in middle school, who then turned out what happened and then turned out to also be getting No. No No, we're still friends, but it's just it was are the two things we really liked were my big Factorek wedding and making the band too um. And then the other thing was that at the time a lot of our family friends were Indian and that was the year that Bennett like Beckham came out. So I remember distinctly like having a double feature that was like big Factreek wedding and Bendett like Beckham, and then our parents just being like, you know, at the end of the day, the immigrant experience is like so universal, and I was like, we agree, that's beautiful. It was very beautiful. I was thinking about Bennett like Beckham at a few different points, and I mean it just because of it revolves around a wedding, like it's a good double feature. Yeah, solid double feature. Indeed, Jamie, what's your history with my big fat Greek wedding? Love It Love The first grown up movie I was allowed to see in theaters. I remember, I don't remember. I don't remember what my mom said that we were going to see, but it was I was like whatever, I'm you know, I'm nine, I'm grown up and this is stupid. And then we got to the movie theater. She was like, twist, we're seeing a kissing movie. And she brought me to see My Big Fat Greek Wedding, and I loved it so much, and I used to be able to recite it where it was like I hadn't seen this movie and at least five years, but there were still like scenes that like triggered my brain of like, oh, I know exactly what's happening word by word, even though I still know it as a nine or ten year old would. Yeah, I loved it. I used to My favorite use of this movie, like when I was like young and then like going into early teenager, was whenever I watched a scary movie, because I was really not good with them when I was young, I would be like, well, I'll watch a scary movie, but we have to watch My Big Greek Wedding afterwards, because I could never be afraid. After watching that, it got to cleanse the palette. It makes me feel very safe. That's a beautiful story, a lot of beautiful stories around and then comes that it's not. But a sure way to get me to have no interest in a movie is to put either wedding or bride or princess or something along those lines in the title. I did see this movie. I don't think I saw in the theater, but I saw it within I think a year of it coming out, but it was only that one time, and I didn't rewatch it again until like yesterday. The one thing I remembered from it was the wind X because my my mom had the same thing. She didn't like, spray your injuries with windex. But the only cleaning product that she would use on anything ever all the time, whether it was like a glass surface, which is what it's supposed to be for, if it was would if it was tile, if it was carpet, any like brick, she wouldn't use wind X. So that was my main connection to the movie. But yeah, I remember thinking, oh, this is cool, and I remember at the time there was all this kind of publicity and news around it about it being this indie film that made so much money at the box office budget five million, box office three hundred sixty eight million. I think it's the highest grossing romantic comedy of all time, or at least it was it had been. Yeah, I don't know if I was trying to read up about it. I'm still not clear if anything has beat it since then, But yeah, it was a huge box office hit and everyone was like, hey, you can make an indie movie and it'll be a great hit. And I was like, I can't wait to apply this to my film career in a few years. But anyway, so I didn't have any sort of attachment to it growing up. So there's my history I forgot. I also saw this movie the year before I made my first friend who had Greek parents, and she was like, she loved this movie and she was just thrilled to have like a benchmark of like, you know, lie, my big fat Greek wedding. I was like, oh, because otherwise I wouldn't have. I just knew about Irish people screaming at each other. Yeah, it was. There were so many things that like then I would get asked, like the spitting, for example, like do people really spit on each other or like it's like it's The answer is that it's not. It's like a symbolic No one is actually spitting saliva. It's just like you make the sound of like to like and then it's like a symbolic thing. Wait, I want to say one more thing, which is that the first time I saw this movie was when we were visiting my family in Greece. For the summer, and I saw it in an outdoor movie theater in Greece like during the summer, so it was like but what was funny about it was that because like the audience was I mean, it's kind of like how crazy rich Asians bombed in China. Like Greek people don't relate to like the Greek American story, Like it's not. So people were like very lukewarm about it around me when I saw it in the movie theater, and then people were also kind of like this is offensive. I was like, okay, okay, it is my favorite movie. Even did you have like relatives or people you knew that that found it offensive towards Greek people. I mean, the thing is like, okay, even like my family is not really like the family that's were traded in the movie. And it's mostly because like we had this weird childhood or we kind of moved back and forth and actually like maintained a lot of contact with Greece the country, and we like spoke Greek at home, and I think that also made us less prone to like kind of bring Greece with us to America because we were like we we have a connection to it, like we go there like twice a year, so we were we never had like, you know, Greek statues like in our home, or like we we didn't like your garage door wasn't the Greek right exactly, or like or like, for instance, they go to Greek school in the movie, but like we spoke Greek at home, and so that was never like the thing that we did. But at the same time, I was in spaces, like when we would go to church and stuff where I would absolutely recognize like the types of people that were portrayed in the movie. So I would say related to it on a more superficial level than maybe someone else who was like a second generation Greek American that was like you know, born and raised in Chicago or New York or something. Um, But I still very much recognize all the characters, And I think what Greek people maybe responded poorly to was just that, like it was kind of exaggerating all the most funny parts of Greek culture. And I do think that like if Greek people faced more discrimination, then yes, I could be convinced that it's like problematic, but I feel like ultimately they don't, so like it's okay for me to laugh at these things because it's not like they're perpetuating some like extremely harmful stereotype. It's like affecting Greek people in like sure right the world. That's what's tricky with this was like I just truly I wasn't familiar with any Greek stereotypes and this was my first encounter with anything Greek. And then after this movie came out, we went to the Greek Festival in Brockton, Massachusetts every single year because we're like, love that movie, let's go, let's get greatly. I don't know, like we would just do it afterwards. But it was like, unlike a lot of movies that turn up stereotypes, I wasn't even familiar with the stereotypes. It was like tricky even watching this, I was like, I don't I don't know. I'm assuming it's probably a little offensive and over the top, but like, I don't know. I feel like what is kind of stereotypically known about Jewish families and Italian families also sort of applies to Greek families, and that there's a lot of focus on food and like family gatherings and that stuff like that. That's yeah, I think about the sod because so many people. Obviously that's like such a common comparison of like Jewish families, the town family, and Greek families. But then there's also like more broadly speaking, like immigrant families, like sometimes you know whatever, and then there's like you know, I mean I was mentioning before, like Indian families. There's you can make comparisons there, and I feel like ultimately what the Separation Act is between literally wasps and everyone else, Like I actually think that there's more of a difference between wasps and non wasps than there is between like and I'm not saying this in terms of like systemic discrimination. I'm saying this in terms of just like family culture. I genuinely think there's more of a difference there than between like a Greek family and an Italian family and a Jewish family, And so right for me, and what I mean, wasps in this movie do not come up too well, nor should they. But it was like there was what but that scene where Ian's mom is like screaming in someone's face like it's a bunt cake. I was like, what is wrong with you? That whole scene to me was very weird because it's like you have that overreaction and then you cut to the aunt and she's like, I consumed my twin in the womb, Like why is this coming up? I used to be my favorite part, but I was like, this is fucking totally very strange. Yeah, love this movie. Well shall I do the recap? Okay? So we meet Tula to be in love with a woman named Tula. My mom's name is not Tula. So Tula played by nia is It Vardalos, who also wrote the movie. We get to know her a little bit as a young child, growing up as like a second generation Greek woman in a suburb of Chicago, has a huge Greek family and they put a lot of pressure on her to get married to specifically a Greek man as soon as possible. She works in the family restaurant, and um, you know, she's really happy with her life. She feels kind of stuck. She's and it's like the whole thing is like she's third, she's well, she's on her like she's way past her expiration date. She's sweat. It's just like, oh no, yeah, she's wearing glasses, which is code for I'm not fuck. I didn't I forgot how over the top Tula one point, oh was I was like, oh my god, she is just headed toe neutral, she's wild. So she works at the family restaurant and one day a relative, Joey for Tone, is her cousin. We meet her mom and her dad, her sister brother, a couple of her cousins, a couple of her aunts and uncles. Is Joey fatone Greek. He's Italian because he's doing an Italian accent. I mean a lot of a lot of people in the cast are Italian. I was just like, hold on joy for as thrilled as I am to see him anywhere. He's doing a pasta meat box. What is he doing anyways? Yeah, so we meet different members of her family. You know, she's just like, everyone wants me to get married. And then this guy comes into the restaurant one day. Is he hot? He is handsome. He's not for me. I don't know. I mean, I'm not whatever he means exactly right. I couldn't do it anyway. So he's fine. Um, but she his hair is too long in this that's my problem. Well, the important thing is she finds him attract she does, so she has glasses. What's she going to do and she sees him and she's just like smitten. She's hiding behind stuff, crouching down, whether she's hot or not, she's hiding behind the large objets. So then she starts to get her life together and she enrolls in computer classes at a local college because she wants to help the restaurant run more efficiently. Um. She gives herself a little makeover, and then she starts working at her aunt's travel agency. Yes, after that scene where she advocates for herself, says, Hi, I can turn on the computer. I would like to work here, and her aunt says okay. And then the aunt the mom in Tula have to all convince the data was his idea. You have to incept him yes, which was fun to watch, and that's how Christopher Nolan got the idea for inception. He wants that scene yes. Um. So then a short time later, she crosses paths with this guy again who she thought was so handsome and his name is Ian and he asks her out on a date. Hens like it's punched by an old lady the ship because he's goofing around. I see that scene. I'm laughing, sorry, um. And then Tula and Ian start dating and for the first time in a long time, she's happy. But her family doesn't know about this relationship, and he's not great because he's not Greek. And when her mom and dad find out that she has been dating this non Greek man, they throw of it and they want her to stop seeing him, but they're all like, no, we're in love. We're not going to stop seeing each other. And then and then you see him at the school, and then I was like, Okay, he is handsome for some reason. Once I saw him teaching that maybe that's what it was, even though we've already been told that glasses equals not fuckable, but that role doesn't apply to men forgot. Meanwhile, her family is trying to set her up with a Greek man, and all of those candidates are not appealing to Tula. Then she meets Ian's parents and they are very bland and very waspy and pretty racist. And then Ian asks her to marry him, and she's like, yes, please sign me up. And Tula's dad is distraught by this because he's like, I thought she would get married in a Greek Orthodox church and she can't do that if she marries an on Greek. So then he converts bcically like it's baptized. Get him to the green and it's like when his family is in the church and like it's all Greek to me, and like, oh my god, stop it. You're wild for this one. So he's getting his head dunked in an inflatable Katie pool fun, very fun seeing and m lavin and then the family starts to accept Ian for who he is. They like his hair, they like his hair, They celebrate Easter with him, they play some language barrier goofs on him, and they start planning the wedding. There's some scenes with some invitations and some bridesmaids gown. The brother also starts going to night school to he wants to be an artist. We love that, yeah, because and Tula inspired him. Um. Then they invite Ian's parents over so that the families can meet each other. And that's the whole like buntcake scene. It Eventually it's the day of the wedding, and it's the wedding. It just happens. Yeah, when it happens, and which goes wrong at the wedding? No, And I just get to watch a nice wedding at the end. Yeah, and then uh, they're at the reception and there's dancing and everyone's having a good time, and then we flash forward. She gets pregnant right away, right away. Well, also her parents get her a gift by her. But the twist is it's right next door. Also Dad accepts Ian, sure, sure, and it's one big, happy family. And then she's like, hey, daughter, who's six years old. You can marry anyone you want, the end long as you get married. And she has to go to Greek school, so they are keeping the traditional Yes, indeed, so that is the movie. Let's take a quick break and then we'll come right back. Okay, and we're back. Oh what a what a time we've had. We do. We're dunking each other, we're baptizing each other. My big thing with this movie is that the movie feels like it's being set up where Tula seems like she's being somewhat critical of her culture, where it's like, oh, all these expectations are being foisted upon me that are fairly archaic and sexist, where it's like, oh, you, as a woman, there's three things that are expected of you. Marry a man, have babies, and then make food for all of those people, and it feels like this is gonna be because I didn't really remember what the story was about, although wedding is entitled, so I did to sort of remember that there was a wedding, but I like couldn't totally remember how much she like challenged the status quo kind of thing and it and it sets it up in the beginning where it's she seems like she's being critical of these standards, and you know, she doesn't feel that it's fair that all these family members are expecting her to get married and all this stuff. But then she meets a guy, and the whole rest of the movie is focused on her relationship to this man and her ultimately fulfilling these expectations that were voisted upon her, so that I feel like, so how do we feel? I I don't there this movie, Okay, I remembered lots of scenes by heart, I didn't remember the exact arc of the movie, like as it pertains to how we're watching it this time, I don't know. I mean, there was a good five minutes in this movie where I'm like, this is good, this is We're going in the right direction. Where there I thought that there was for making a horrible noise in my mouth. Just on. I thought that the makeover scene was gonna bug me more than it did. The reason it did not bother me that much, even though you know it is whatever we can dig into, like, oh, the more conventionally attractive you appear, the happier you must be sure. But at least I didn't remember that the makeover was motivated by her and her wanting to do something for herself, which I appreciated, and it was like a part of a package deal of stuff. She did not to impress a guy, even though we see that they met before. But from what my understanding of it is, she does it because she wants to. And she's like, I want to learn how to turn on a computer, and her dad's like, this is the women have gone too far. They're turning on computers. My favorite line, it's downtown. And then she, I mean, she does take her glasses off. We have what I think is an egregiously long scene trying to get a contact, like literally, how do contact? I need to take the computers and contact seminar. We see here at the seminar, and and so at very least it's not a Princess Diaries thing. It's not a she's all that thing, it's you know, she does Tula does glow up that spans across all areas of her life that's motivated for her to make her feel more comfortable at where she's at, so that I appreciate I had the same read on it, although part of me was like, Oh, this all happens after she sees this guy for the first time, So it made me wonder, like, was that the cattle us that gets her to be like, I've got to get my life together so that he might be interested in me if I ever see him again. But the movie doesn't necessarily do anything specific to suggest that's what's happening. Maybe that's just that was the chronological order of the events of the story. But I couldn't help but think, Okay, it's not until she sees him that she starts to like whip her life into shape kind of thing. But I did agree that like the makeover, it seems to be more that she gives herself a makeover because she just wants to look different, or you know, to give her look a little boost to make herself more confident, right, because usually makeovers and movies like this, like the ones you mentioned, it's something that's thrust upon a woman by other people, and it's usually so that she can be They're usually like you need to look better, usually to be more attractive to men. And it's also not so extreme of a makeover that you're like, WHOA Like, she definitely looks different, but it's not like a Anne Hathaway whipping around and it looks like a different person, right, and she doesn't act that differently after it happens. I don't know. This was like one of the movies that we've talked about that there's a makeover sort of that didn't super bother me, say, George would say, I feel like it's it's there's almost like a narrative of like a delayed or a prolonged adolescence kind of and like her makeover is is almost like just the experience that anyone would go through when they're like going to college kind of like it's like she's been stuck in this almost like prolonged I don't want to say prolonged high school experience. It's very condescending, but but like she's been kind of like in the orbit of her family and no one else. She still lives, still lives at home, you know, she still works with her family whatever, and you know, she has kind of put off like trying anything outside of comfort zone. So I think it, I mean, the physical makeover is just kind of like the easiest way it to denote the fact that she is like taking risks and like putting herself out there. And I don't know, there's kind of like a really interesting tug of war in the movie where she's kind of figuring out how much of her past and her culture she wants to hang onto and how much of it she's like okay, you know, straying from And I think it towes that line pretty well. I mean there's like the scene, for example, where she's like finally eating like a bland sandwich with the blonde girls, but then it's so she's like trying that out. But then it's like at the end, she still decides she wants to be a part of the you know, Greek community. So it's which I think is like there's no correct way to portray that journey, um, and I think she does a very good job in my opinion, and the fact that her little like makeover confidence boost that she's giving herself coincides with the fact that she's also furthering her education and like wanting to learn a new and still her job. And yeah, she's like changing her life. That's why it wasn't like take off the glasses, you're a new person. Yeah, this was like, oh, she's like just doing some work on herself. I admire that also just in terms of like the representation of the women in the film, Like that entire part of the movie where it's basically like the three women like her, her mom, and her aunt kind of like devising this plan. I thought was like, really well done. I want to talk about that same because we mentioned this in the recap. But the whole thing is that Tula wants to work at her aunt's travel agency, but she knows that her dad, being like the patriarch and the head of the household, won't go for it unless he thinks he's come up with the idea. So the three of them get together like okay, we need to accept him. First of all. It's really funny the way that like the aunt especially is acting. She's like so rehearsed and like a robot. She does not know how to improvise. She needs to take a UCB class or something, but so that that seems really funny. And then we as the audience, we're let in on the secret it where the dad kind of looks like an idiot because he's like, yes, it's my idea, and you needed a man all along for me to figure out this really smart thing that I came up with. And then we are like, t he he's actually an idiot because they already came up with this idea. Um that I enjoyed that too, and that came after I believe you see Tula's mom and dad have They have several scenes together and then most of them tol his mom ends up taking the dad down to I don't know what what what phraseing my searching for takes him down a notch. I'm sorry, Hi, I'm a fucking idiot. Women shouldn't be educated. But their first scene when Tula, a thirty year old woman, wants to take a computer class and her dad's like, she'll die if she leaves the house, and uh, you know it makes the comment about this is why women should get an education is out of control and the mom immediately snaps at him and says, what you don't think that that I'm as smart as you. I run the restaurant for you, I raised kids for you, I ran the house for you, and I teach Sunday school. I was like the mic drop on the Sunday lucky, I have you to tie my shoes so good and so and and then later she and Tula have that scene where was the lame the mom said, where she's like, oh, well, sure the man's the head of she can turn the head anyway, and we here do that a bunch of times. You're like, which I do enjoy. But then also part of me, especially with the scene where they're accepting the dad, I came away from the sort of frustrated. In addition to I don't know, I had conflicting feelings about it, because I was like, well, he thinks he's smart, but actually you know, they've tricked him. But I was frustrated because there's sort of like encouraging and still upholding this status quo of allowing him to think he has control over everything. And there's a part of me that like a scene like that to play out where Toola just marches up to her dad and she's like, yeah, hey, I'm gonna like work at this travel agency because that's what I want to do. Because I know computers, I can do whatever the funk I want. That's not the dynamic of their family. But also I don't know, like I feel like more could have been done by her to like challenge these norms. But I feel like they do a really good job of showing how kind of like regressive views can coexist with people being empowered within those structures kind of. And I mean, as much as it is very much kind of like a formulaic romantic comedy and its plot, I think they avoid a lot of kind of like empowerment cliches while also like effectively telling an empowering narrative. I mean, to some extent we can discuss like what the details are. But like I feel like she's like with every conflict that happened, she slowly becomes more empowered in her own in like advocating for herself, so that at the end, it's like when he, for instance, asks her to marry him, she doesn't hesitate. She's like, I will do this no matter if my family likes it or not. Yeah, I don't know that scene did work for me, and obviously like I would have loved for Toola to to go to her dad and say this is what I want to do. But in terms of, you know, portraying how this specific family works, I found that scene helpful because we had already sort of gotten that indication about the comment about the head and the neck from the mom, and then we got to see it in action of like, oh, the women are in charge, but because of how the men and this family were raised and how they behave they need to feel like they're in charge. How can you get something done and thrive and exist within that structure. So it's not challenging the structure, but it was helpful for me to see how that worked. Also, the idea of someone like making that kind of speech to their dad and then like storming out is kind of like a very American idea and it's a very like kind of Hollywood, and I think it's actually more tricky and more interesting to watch people like navigate those waters without you know, like fully alienating their family, because like the structure of the family and Greek culture is much stronger than like individual you know will or ambition often and I mean, you know, we can debate the merits of that, but but but I think it's like it shows the specificity of those family dynamics. Is there for a reason, and they I'm sure that like she thought of doing a scene like that, but like didn't specifically to show like how the family is anyway, right, Yeah, I mean I'm frustrated because I see a scene like that and I'm like, just why can't you just say what you want and then like tell your family to sunk off? But that's just because I come from a family where I'm like, if I don't like you, fuck off and see it never again. But I understand that that doesn't work for everything. But I will say, I mean something that I found to be something that I had mixed feelings about was like the families and the father specifically views on education, because I actually think, you know, in my experience, Greek people do value education, and it's a little difficult for me to imagine, you know, a father trying to prevent his daughter from going to college. I feel like that was maybe exaggerated a little bit to to make the conflict more intense. Although oh, I'm sure I can think of counterexample. The people I know um. But that was the only thing where I was like, of all the kind of like exaggerated stereotypes, that was the one thing that like slightly bothered me because I was like, oh, I don't I don't want people to think Greek people are like like don't want women to be educated. Right, He's like and he's pretty overboard on his sexism, where he's like, he's like, it's a mistake to educate women, and then in a separate scene he says, Oh, she's smart enough, she doesn't need to go to more school. And it's just like I do think it's played for humor in a way that works in the context of the movie. And I also think that like as much as you know you want to see like the person who's prejudiced be like defeated, every family has people who you know are going to say things like that, and everyone kind of agrees that you're going to roll your eyes and like you know, ultimately they're harmless, like and you know, yes, it's not a perfect world, but like that just is the case, and like when you're depicting a family, there are going to be people like that. That was the dad character threw me a few different times where it reminded me a little bit of Royal Tennan bomb. Ever, well, where get ready to Jamie's about to draw a little parallel, but in terms of a father figure character who says and does a lot of things that are you know, shipped outwardly shitty to his family. But the way he's presented, it's like, ah, but this is just it's silly. It's it's presented like this is funny, right, and and at times it's like presented to make him look dumb because his wife can manipulate him whenever she wants, and she's smarter than him and we know that. But my thing was like how that arc ends for royal time momb and for this character is like there's never really quite a moment of reckoning for him where he has to say like, oh, maybe the way I was viewing this was incorrect, Like as far as he'll go as to accept a man and to his family, there's no real and and then we're sort of led to believe, well, the conflict between him and his daughter is resolved now, and it's like, well, he was calling her ugly and old and like that she would should like we don't really I would. I think it could have been useful and interesting to have a scene with with them by the end where he even if it's like, you know, it doesn't need to be in an overwritten like you've learned I he has queen like, it doesn't have to be taught me so much daughter. Yeah, But I mean, does he even like some acknowledgement of you know, how over that that would be written. I was like, because because most of the family, I feel like you do get that journey with with the mom and the aunt and we get to know them and we see them kind of in action and they change. But then I don't know that I felt like the Dead could have that character could especially because, like I mean, the first line that's spoken in the movie is him saying, you better get married soon, you're starting to look old, and then her voiceover comes in. He says that several times, and then her voiceover comes in and she says, my dad has been saying that to me since I was fifteen. Because nice Greek girls are supposed to do three things in life, Mary, Greek boys, make Greek babies, and feed everyone until the day we die. So this is like where I you know, I heard this, I'm like, oh, this is gonna be a movie where she's like challenging the status quo. And then that like doesn't happen as much to my liking. But this is also a movie from two thou too, so you know, you can't have everything you want. And then there's also there's other moments that I feel I could have been challenged more, where like her brother, Nico is I think one year younger than Tula, and Nico's all like, oh, dad, I'm going to marry someone soon. And then the dad's like, you've got plenty of time. And then meanwhile, Tula, who's only a year older than her brother, They're like, you look old as hell and you're going to die alone if you don't get married fucking yesterday. And I mean, well, that's that's attentional, that's right. Yeah, I'm sorry, sorry, but like I just mean that like sounds like you need to I just feel like that. I think I just want to see things challenged more than is realistic for me to expect of movies. But um, you know, maybe I'm just like being overly. Um I'm giving it a very generous reading. I do feel like in every scene there is that tension, like there are certain things that are under challenge, but they are like explored in a way where like the audience can come to those conclusions if that makes like without there being like confrontation after confrontation. But then again, you know that's just like from me, you know, being a generous viewer of the of the movie. But I don't know, the Nico characters actually interesting to me because I think you could read it as him being coded semi queer, because there was like him wanting to be an art like there are certain like trigger words where I was like, obviously, this is like me reading too much into it, but I was like, this is like an interesting mini arc to add to this movie from And I know that Nei ever Dallas is like like a huge kind of like being a queer ally is like a very big part of her identity as a celebrity. And like after she made this movie, like when she finally got a chance to make a big budget movie, she literally made a drag queen movie with Tony Collett, which like ended up it's not I mean, it ended up not doing great, but but anyway, there there were and they were like I feel like there were many kind of things like that were cold in a way that maybe I didn't stand at the TI when I was watching the movie, But now I'm like, just like the way the female characters are written are very kind of like larger than life, like almost like Diva characters. Um. And even just like the casting, it's like they're like made to be kind of like worse. I don't know, and Andrea Martin and Lena becausean are just so good in it. Um, Where was I going with this? Oh? Yeah, Nico, I do feel like there are many ways to read his his arc. Sure, And then I mean he didn't need that like tiny little subplot like that didn't need to be in the movie, but the fact that it was put there, I loved it. Yeah, it was interesting, just like the going through the trouble to really flesh out this family that as as much as it seems like it's you know, like turned up to an eleven the existing stereotypes, it's like going back and having like, no, he's not just like a meathead, and we plant the seed of like, look, Dad, I drained the menu. I was like, oh, I don't care, and he's like, get back to work. Son, and then later he's like, I ain't going to art school, and I was like, you know that I liked those mini drink. I feel like Andrea Martin character had a bit of a journey herself where by the end she can accept vegetarians into her life. Maybe there's everyone had a little I don't know. I'm I know, I'm gonna give this movie a break in every I'm here to be the one to be like. But I do think that the central like the central problem of this movie. I've really love of, like just the question of like how can I live my life as I want to? How far can I push that and still be able to have my family in my life? That's so yeah, that's like my culture. It's like a cultural like can it can it be both ways? I think where the movie lands on that question is kind of ambiguous and maybe not enough of what Toula wants. But right, well, that like it's an ambiguous thing what you were saying before, George about there being a balance between like the movies presenting things and it's not like slapping us in the face with them, and it's kind of like letting the audience like make our own kind of judgment calls on these things, I feel like would have worked better if it had ended slightly differently, because the end of the movie feels like the thesis statement about the whole thing, which is when she's talking to her six year old daughter and her daughter's like, Mom, do I have to go to Greek school? And she's like, yes, but I'll promise you this, you can marry anyone you want, Like that's the thesis statement of the movie. But I feel like because it's so much emphasis of what she's saying right then and throughout the whole movie being about her marrying this like non Greek guy, I don't know, I just I guess I just wanted to see more of like her burgeoning career or her something. I think that, like the the what it came down to at the end, I was like, WHOA, how did that movie end that way so easily? And I think what it is as we at the beginning besides, like we don't really know outside of wanting a life of her own outside of her family, we don't really know what Tula wants out of her life, and that is never made super clear to us before she meets the guy, and so then I think from there because we never found a like whatever ambiguous goal. We see her do things that seems like she's taking steps towards something, but we don't know what that is, and so once she meets the guy, then it's like, oh, well, the relationship is the central thing now, and we kind of lose seeing her at the job, we sort of lose like everything else sort of falls away, and then the movie lands Unlike, but she can do exactly what her parents wanted to, but with a wasp instead, right, so she can marry a man and make half Greek babies and make food for those, which is an act of rebellion on her part, sure, But the fact that it still focuses on her relationship to a man so much is where I feel like the movie could have gone and that and it's like if that had been one of her many journeys where she's if she's if the movie is about her sort of kind of reinventing herself and figuring out who she wants to be as this person in this family, within this culture, but also in the US, and like you know, in the modern times of two thousand two, like it could have been. Yeah, I wanna this is my lifelong dream, because she even says in the movie, yeah, she goes to that seminar of tourism plus computers, but she says before that, she's like, I'm not going to pretend like I've always wanted to work in a travel agency, but please hire me. So like, yeah, we don't know what she wants to do, and what if we don't know, I don't know, Yeah, she says something, She's like, I'm not going to pretend like I've always wanted to work in tourism, but like she's trying to get out of the restaurant, right. I don't know like the right way to say this, but I feel like I would push back a little bit on like kind of like desiring a traditional self empowerment narrative, just because I do feel like that's kind of a very American thing. And the only thing I mean by that is that, like, essentially, if you accept the fact that like when you are living within a family that's like very tight knit and very kind of like its own world, then in fact, going from being a seating hostess at the restaurant to going to being basically the manager of the travel agency within the various like within this network of family businesses that actually that is like and I don't know if that's settling. I think it's like finding your place in the family community and a place that works for you rather than a place that has been determined by your parents. And I totally get that and and that works for me. My point is more like from a narrative point of view, where like her moving over, like going to the classes and then moving to the job at the travel agency, that kind of tapers off story wise after a while, and then the focus of the story is all about the man. So yeah, I feel the same way. I don't know. It's tricky because it's like my favorite part of that character is watching her be like, no, fuck it, I'm gonna you know, I'm going to continue to be on good terms with my family. I'll be mostly honest with them. But I'm doing this, this and this, and you know, this is what I'm doing. And but kind of narratively, that serves to get her to the relationship and then it kind of goes away. Right, Um, let's take a quick break and we'll come back to discuss more stuff, and we're back. Hi. Hi, how's everyone feeling always sounds so good. It's my big frit Greek. Oh did everyone watch the TV show My Big Factor Life? Not good? I like try to watch the first episode, and I haven't watched. Like the sequel to the movie, which came out a couple of years ago. My mom and my sister watched it and did not enjoy it. It was like not on my radar at all when it came out like two years ago. My mom. I remember, my mom made a big deal of My Big Fat Greek Life coming out on TV and then she she was so upset, she was like, decision the movie. Yeah, And they also recast some of the main roles. I can't remember who it was recast that. Yeah, it wasn't John Corbett. Yeah, so so that was I actually just think they remember watching that and being supremely disappointed. Although I was telling Jamie that I recently watched the ever Dallas is adaptation of Cheryl Strade's book of Deer Sugar Columns at the Public in New York, which she like adapted. And then she plays dear Sugar in the play and it's basically like her in her living room wearing like pajamas, and then like she'll get like an email ding and then someone will come in and read a question and then she will basically like act out as though she's like thinking of the answer in real time, so she'd be like dear unlucky in love. Was it good? Um? It was no. No, it was like a critics pick in the New York Times. Was it like did well? And yeah it's not. It's not like I feel like it could have been such a disaster based on my description of it. Um, I do think that, like, of course, it's gonna fall into some cliches because it's literally like acting out an advice Callum. But she did a good job with it, and I did cry. I'm glad he is thriving. Yeah, it was like cool, I mean, and it's like I feel like she had creative control over it. It was at the public, which is really cool. It was like I feel like it was a great thing for him. No. No, this is like maybe like a year ago. Oh no, okay, well maybe she'll tour with it. Um. There's this scene I wanted to talk about. It's right after Tula's family has found out about her relationship with Ian, and Ian is at her house and talking to her dad and saying like, you want me to ask if I can date your daughter? She's thirty years old, And then the dad's like yes, I'm the head of this house. And he's like, okay, can I date your daughter? And the dad's like no, and then Ian walks away says to Tula, I'll see you tomorrow, and she's like, see you tomorrow, and it's just like that was like a nice act of defiance on like both of their parts, where they're like, yeah, I'm not going to listen to the dad and still keep sucking. I like Ian's character, Whilst I would not personally fuck him, I sort of forgot. I was like, oh, I don't you know, because with brown coms, it's so dicey in terms of who you're getting and how they treat you. But I thought that Ian character does pretty spectacularly well throughout the movie, where you know, it would have been so easy to to make it be like when he finds out that she was his waitress at the Great Restaurant from him to be like or like that was you right? Like that would be so trophy and silly. But but the way that plays out is she's embarrassed of her culture in her past at the beginning, and she calls herself like from from Girl, which is like my heart, and he's like, I don't remember from Girl, but I remember you, and you're like he has kind of like just does the right thing at every turn. And he also like there isn't any scene where he's he doesn't like in any way fetishizes the wrong world. But there's no scene where he's like, your family is like spicy, Like there's nothing like that. Like he like whatever his family does that his parents are like. But his parents are interesting too, because again it obviously they're such exaggerated, like well are they, I don't know, we've all met right like that, but I do feel like at the end of the day, they are written with compassion, mean well Ian, I mean, compare him to like Benjamin Bratt's character from Miss Congeniality. She's just like megging Sandra Bullock the whole time, and then like we've got this like he's an intellectual, he's an educator, you know, he's like this just like sweet nice guy who is maybe a little like too perfect. But although I mean, but for the purposes of this movie and fulfillment. He's great. And it's so often that we see in movies that it's a woman having to change everything about herself to please a man and to be accepted by a man. But in this movie, it's him who's making like compromise after compromise. At the point where he's like getting baptized and like all this stuff, and it's never tool that being like you have to do this, he's like, I'm willing to do this. On his turn, yeah, yeah, I think a line that he says is like I'll do whatever it takes to get your family to accept me. And then his friend played by real life husband that was now now they're divorced, but unbelievable. But his friend Mike is all like her family has you by the short ones, which I guess means balls, Like she's got you by the balls, and AND's just like shrug, like I'm fine with it. So yeah, I really like that. He's a sweetie pie. Yeah. I like he's so sweet. He's almost boring. But I think in the story like it works. He's nice. If he was an asshole on top of it, the story would have been way harder to accomplish it because you know, both of them have to compromise so much, and and and she makes him laugh. I think like one of the reasons he likes her is that he like enjoys her sense of humor, because in the beginning, whenever her like brain stops, whenever she's like first like at their table, yeah, she says, I'm like, oh, look at me doing here like your own private statue. And he's like, yeah, there's no I feel like there was a way to write the script where like he actually ignores her when she's like frumpy, and then is into her and then realizes like, oh she was beautiful along, but actually he was nice from the get go. Yeah, he's like, you're caught up. This restaurant is well run, so isn't it funny? I was just thinking about this, like, Okay, so this movie is written by a woman. Originally they wanted to replace her, Like I read on Wikipedia that one of the actors they were considering was Merissa to May, who's like, you know, let's say like whatever, like more conventional Hollywood beauty or whatever. She ended up playing the role and then replacing her husband with someone hotter, so she like like nia replaced the male character with someone hotter in the movie that you wrote, which I feel like is so completely the polar opposite of what would normally happen in like any rom com. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean the fact that she got to star in her own script is like huge. And she was also I mean this was like filmed when she was in her late thirties and it came that when she was forty, and like this was her big debut, which is also like very unusual. I mean, if you think about it, it really is kind I mean, one of my favorite things about the movie is like it's placed in the culture, like the fact that literally a movie written by an unknown woman in her late thirties who was like normal looking then literally became like the highest grossing like romantic comedy of all times. Like to have your debut be like in your late thirties. Anyway, it was just like I remember like the year after when she hosted US Now and I was like, wow, this is like the biggest, Like you knows. I love it. It's almost as if sometimes movies about relatable people can relate to a large audience. Also, thank you Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson made the movie. I forgot that they made it happen. But kind of on that point of you know, her not being she's beautiful, but like not your typical hall you would, you know, like super wayfish standard of beauty. Um. We see a bunch of different body types represented in this movie, where like if you look at the scene where all the bridesmaids are in their gowns, you see a pretty wide spectrum of women. A lot of the female characters are middle aged. You know, there's better representation of women's ages and body types then you're seeing in this movie. Do you never get to see a woman need a normal sized meal? That makes sense and that happens a lot in this movie. Always looking for women eating food and movies. It gets me so excited, like, oh, look at them go. One last quick thing I wanted to say was that in this movie, a lot of the women you do see on screen, and this is commented on, but many of them are kind of portrayed as being nagging. Um, which is a common trophy thing that you see female characters do a lot nagging someone they die. That is a line that is spoken out. But then I got to thinking, well, are women ever actually nagging or they just annoyed by all the emotional labor that they have to do to maintain a marriage and a household and like run a business and all of that stuff. So and I also feel like, getting back to George your point earlier, it's made clear through the narrative that the guys who were saying that are in the wrong, and they come off looking silly having said it. Yeah. So yeah, I feel like the thing with like a story about like a Greek American immigrant families that I really do think it would have been so much different if it was from a male perspective. And I don't think I personally, like as a preteen would have responded as well too. I like, I don't know, I mean, what if it was like John Stamos is the main character and then like he like meets Megan Fox and like that's the like that literally would have been the equivalent. Uh, But I feel like it was it was a realistic portrayal of a Greek family while providing enough commentary at any given time to kind of like give you just enough context for you to like understand what's happening, right, Yeah, held up for me being so I'm like reacting so poorly to like any criticism. Oh my god, no, that's why we're doing this. I was personally really impressed and thrilled and happy that this movie I've seen five hundred times, but I was watching it for this reason for the first time. I was pleasantly surprised and pleased that it holds up. I feel like as well as it does. I still don't love the ending. I'm never going to love the ending, but having a rom com for all the reasons we discussed that doesn't end. I mean, there's gonna be a wedding. You show up, there's gonna be a wedding, and the fact that she doesn't end up in a toxic relationship at the end of a rom com is better than them do uh And and so I don't know, it held up for me. I'm going to continue to watch it After horror movies, I recommend that Halloween you will be unscared. Ben Um, Does anyone have any other final thoughts there? Oh, there was one more scene with Mom and Tula. I just wanted to mention they have This movie passes back Toel test Doy, but there's a few different scenes with Tula and Mom and there's one where this scene. The scene starts with Tula saying, is my marriage killing dad? And you're like, I don't love where this is starting. But then they have this great talk that I think again gives context for Greek culture that I didn't have and is great for their relationship, where the mom is describing how she grew up and why she and Tula's dad immigrated to America and then comes out with the banger of a line, I gave you life so you could live it. And then I was crying. I was crying and I couldn't explain why I was at work, and then feminist icon, Yeah, yeah, comes in. She's got a crowd of flowers. How is she not coming up? I love her? I mean that, yeah, And of course you could argue that, like I mean that character is it's literally like old woman funny, like that is like character until that point. But it's like she seems to have dementia and like maybe you should look after her more family, but but it is she gets a moment. She gets a moment, And ultimately every character is essentially like that. I mean, every character is a cartoon until they're not, except for you know, maybe the Mom probably is honestly the most complex character in the whole movie. Um, but every other character is like a cartoon until they have like a moment of being like humanized. And I also feel like I was kind of paying more attention to it for the first time on just like a structural level, and I feel like it is like all these issues aside just narratively, it like hits the right notes and it's kind of like, if you want to write like a conventional rom com, I feel like it should be taught in like that class, Like it does that make sense? Like rom com? Yeah, I think. I mean, this is like an example of rom com that doesn't for the most part, reinforce harmful things and avoids a lot of the tropes of most rom coms. But still it's like, I don't know, Calyn, it's going to be hard to talk me out of loving this movie, and every I just it's I love it. I think you're you're absolutely allowed, because I don't have quite the same attachment as the two of you have. I came out of with this more kind of critical like, I mean, look at the voice over at the end where she says something like, oh, sometimes I'm afraid that it didn't happen, it being her getting married, and she's like, I'm scared that I'll wake up and still be buttering garlic and waiting for my life to start. But it did happen, and you know, I figured some stuff. So she's all like, oh that thing that you know, it didn't seem like she was that concerned about doing in the beginning, and it seemed like she was annoyed that her family was constantly pressuring her about it. That becomes the crux of what she apparently wanted all along on her own term short which I appreciate it, of course, but like again, I just I was thinking it was going to go in a different direction based on the way it was set up, where she's like, Oh, my family won't stop pestering me about getting married, and how dare they like inflict all these double standards on me that they're not putting on my brother, and like all this stuff. But then she's like, but I got married and now my life is awesome. Yeah. I would say the voiceover bothered me more than like the actual ending that bothered you. Like, I feel like the voiceover was unnecessary, But I also think that like it's almost like paying homage to like bad romantic comment. It's like, and we're ending with a voiceover wres like, well, guys, now we're here and here we are. And I feel like that. I feel like there is an element of that. I think in like Nia Vardalos has a writer, I mean, even the fact that she wanted to adapt advice columns into a stage like I think she has a little bit of that where she kind of like likes, I feel good. She's a little basic. There's nothing there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, I oh the last thing. So if And I do think it's like interesting that this movie, for for me as well, was paired with Bend It like Beckham. Often I think that Bend It like Becka. I mean, it's it's completely its own story. It's about soccer. But I understand why they're paired together because there are some common themes in them. I mean, I don't want to compare them because they're different, but you know, Jesse's story and Bend It, like Beckham, does involve more direct defiance and a lot more direct conflict. But that's not a rom com, right, that's uh more of a Heen movie because she's, you know, in high school, and also the romance in that movie is very sucked up, and she said, there's a lot of things in that movie. Do you remember the line where he was like, I understand where you're going through. I'm Irish. Yes, we talked about that, but then we got a bunch of people being like, well, at that time in history, like Irish people in the UK were heavily discriminated against and all this stuff. And I was like, well, should I learn more about history? But in America it sounded I'm surtain. So the tone of those two movies is so different, Like Bennett, like Beckham is whatever, the tone is different and the genre is different. Yah. I understand why they get paired together because their stories involving, uh, you know, first generation Americans trying to reckon with their culture versus what they want to do with their lives similar. I'm sorry, you're right, but you know what is first generation Americans reckoning with their culture is the Big Sick, which has literally identified Yes, the dinner scenes trying to get up. Yeah, but in any case, I it's a rom com, yes, so there's only so many places for it to land. M Um, well as we hinted at Slash overtly said the movie does pass the Bechtel test. Tula talks to her mom, to her aunt Vola, to her sister Um. A lot of the scenes where women are interacting are about either her dat Tula's dad, or about Ian. But there are a few, like to line exchanges or more here and there that pass the Bechtel test. Um, Shall we write the movie on our nipple scale? Let's do it. I am gonna go what's probably a little low on the spectrum of of all of us takes, takes, takes, and I know that this is a rom com and I know that it then it's going to be about a romantic relationship. And because of of I'm getting there, because of headroon hormativity, it's going to be about a relationship with a man. And I understand all of that. I understand that's how rom comms work in mainstream American cinema. But because I feel like there were opportunities to do a little bit more kind of challenging and commentary on what is, at least by today's standards, pretty sexist double standards and sexist takes on what a women's role is in society and family and stuff like that, and the movie ends with her marrying a man and doing what her family wanted all along. I'm going to give it two nipples. Wow, I know, I know, but you guys, you guys can give it fives and you know, car, but they will listen to this in the car, you know that. Being said, I really really enjoyed toulas character. I liked that she was defiant in many ways. I liked her as like a lead in a romantic comedy movie. But the fact that the whole crux of the thing is like, yeah, my family wants me to get married, so I will okay it Just I feel like there could have been a little bit more, like more subplots revolving around other endeavors of her that she could have pursued, and a little bit more challenging of the status quo that was her pretty patriarchal family structure. So I'm gonna give it two nipples? Are you giving the nipple? And I'm going to give one two? Ian Miller, after all of that, always do see both of his nipples, and we do a few times. He's been baptized, engaged. When I was most attracted to him because I was not paying attuch in his hair, right, right? And then I'm going to give my other nipple to her brother Nico, whose nipples we also see because he walks in with his shirt off and at least one scene. So those barren nipples, that's who I give them to. George. Wait, how long have you been doing the nipples thing? Oh? Forever? Do I just not listen to? You would alone there, you would not be alone. Wait, so what is the how do you decide who you give? Um? Yeah, you can get them to anyone you want. It's just like arbitrary whoever. And it's a based on a scale of zero to five nipples based on its portrayal of women. Right, Okay, I would say because of the scenes with Aunt Volah and the mom and Tula, I can't I'm going to give it five nipples because I can't not give it five nipples, um, and I'm going to give to to the mom, Maria, to to the ever Dallas, and one to I love it. I'm gonna split the diff I'm gonna go three and a half. For many of the reasons stated I just the ending. I feel like even in a mom com there's a more interesting ending to this story, and I wanted a little more of a resolution between Nia or not Nia between um also, isn't in the series? Isn't her name Nia? Don't they change her name? But you could? So The thing with the series that I feel like you can so tell that it like she wrote something and then they gave her notes and the notes were all the wrong notes, and then they just like did it, and it I'm like regretting my five nipples because I feel like it's like I fully understand the issues you guys are raising. We know, No, it's fine, it's it's your your brain, your choice. So yeah, I'll go for three and a half. I think that it is great to see, even though I mean, I don't know. I I liked how we understood the way Nia Burdalas presented how women operate within this very specific setting and also how they're able to, even if they're not toppling the patriot our keeper se how they're able to empower themselves and get what they need while navigating a very patriarchal system. Yeah, I just wish that I knew what Tula wanted to do with her life. It was never totally clear. Um, so it very well could be what she ended up with, but we didn't know that, and it was kind of like you're saying, Caitlin of like, well, she ends up with a guy doing what her parents wanted, and maybe that is what she wanted just on her own terms, but we just never find that out. So that's the one place that this falls short for me. So I'm gonna go three and a half given to to Tula, I'm going to give one to Maria, and then I'll give a halfe to Joey fatone. That's perfect. Actually, he really fell out of this conversation and it wasn't fair because he has like three lines in the entire movies like Pasta, like this is not the movie. Joy. Well, George, thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much for having me. This was lovely. Where can people find you online? What would you follow me on Twitter at George Savaris and then go on my website and all my shows are there in the New York area. You gotta was incredible. And now our embargo on men is back on. 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