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<v Speaker 1>Hello YouTube. All right, we have a lot to get into,
<v Speaker 1>so let's start the morning mess with Digital Foundry and others.
<v Speaker 1>Dig details out of Sony's PS five pro footage. This
<v Speaker 1>is basically excerpts from their podcast that they did. This
<v Speaker 1>got shared around pretty widely on Twitter, and it's caused
<v Speaker 1>some more people to like scratch their heads, some more
<v Speaker 1>people go hey, what's going on here? We'll get into
<v Speaker 1>the details. Mostly though, it is continuing the conversation that
<v Speaker 1>people are having that stem from the obvious diminishing returns
<v Speaker 1>from having more power on a console that's already pretty powerful,
<v Speaker 1>and it's already outputting games just about as good as
<v Speaker 1>they can look, with a few limitations here and there,
<v Speaker 1>and most limitations being a budget and time. For example,
<v Speaker 1>the last of US Part two is running at a
<v Speaker 1>fourteen forty P internal resolution at sixty frames per second
<v Speaker 1>in the PS five Pro mode as shown in the trailer,
<v Speaker 1>which is what I think Digital Foundry Will was analyzing.
<v Speaker 1>That is the same as the PS five performance mode.
<v Speaker 1>Now in terms of like the numbers, the fourteen forty
<v Speaker 1>P internal resolution and sixty frames per second. Now they're
<v Speaker 1>saying that it likely will have improved image quality thanks
<v Speaker 1>to PSSR pisser, so they'll be able to turn on
<v Speaker 1>more features and get the same resolution and the same
<v Speaker 1>frame rate. Ratchan Klay Griff apart was between fourteen forty
<v Speaker 1>P and eighteen hundred P internal resolution, which is like
<v Speaker 1>what the forty frames per second quality mode on PS
<v Speaker 1>five did. Now they're going to be able to get
<v Speaker 1>that to sixty frames per second, so a little bit
<v Speaker 1>of a jump there. Alan Wake two had two modes
<v Speaker 1>and eight sixty four P at sixty frames per second
<v Speaker 1>and twelve sixty P at thirty frames per second. These
<v Speaker 1>are also the same as the base PS five mode.
<v Speaker 1>This is one that really kind of got a lot
<v Speaker 1>of people. They're like, oh my god, it's still eight
<v Speaker 1>sixty four p on PS five. I mean the idea
<v Speaker 1>I think would be that with PSSR that can look
<v Speaker 1>even better than ever. And I don't remember a lot
<v Speaker 1>of people complaining about the excuse me, the look and
<v Speaker 1>feel in the quality of Alan Wick two on on
<v Speaker 1>PS five up to this point. So yeah, there's there's
<v Speaker 1>a lot more of this, you know horizon Forbidd and
<v Speaker 1>West they say didn't look for k to them, but
<v Speaker 1>they and they also think that PSSR was not turned
<v Speaker 1>on in the footage they were seeing, but it was
<v Speaker 1>hard to tell. I think what this really gets at
<v Speaker 1>Emma is like, this is this stuff. The difference because
<v Speaker 1>of the diminishing returns is harder to show off than ever.
<v Speaker 1>And I think that once like Digital Foundery actually gets
<v Speaker 1>a PS five pro in front of them, and a
<v Speaker 1>lot of there's a lot of other people who are
<v Speaker 1>capable of doing this kind of work, but that's there
<v Speaker 1>the go to for a reason. Once they get their
<v Speaker 1>hands on the actual console, they are going to be
<v Speaker 1>able to show the show these differences off in their
<v Speaker 1>best possible light. But even then that is going to
<v Speaker 1>require a lot of zooming in on very specific details.
<v Speaker 2>Yes it is.
<v Speaker 1>And and so what we're left with is a marketing
<v Speaker 1>push that feels lackluster, right.
<v Speaker 3>So exactly, I mean this is this is something that
<v Speaker 3>we deal with in like film and television as well,
<v Speaker 3>and particularly in things that are being filmed for the Internet,
<v Speaker 3>where by and large, the best quality that you are
<v Speaker 3>actually going to be able to get it in is
<v Speaker 3>ten ADPA or especially for like on site video. A
<v Speaker 3>lot of on site video max is out at seven twenty.
<v Speaker 3>So the reason whenever you're making Internet video that you
<v Speaker 3>would shoot in four K is if you want to
<v Speaker 3>do a punch in, so it'll still look crisp in
<v Speaker 3>detail when you punch in.
<v Speaker 2>Now in a video game, this is really going to.
<v Speaker 3>Depend being able to show off these features on how
<v Speaker 3>much control you have over the camera. So again it's
<v Speaker 3>it's very difficult to show off how exactly this is
<v Speaker 3>better because we are getting beyond like what the human
<v Speaker 3>eye can naturally detect.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, and as people pointed out, like a digital
<v Speaker 1>found was able to get the pro res like original
<v Speaker 1>footage from Sony. They they was like Hey, they were
<v Speaker 1>working with Sony to like to get their hands on
<v Speaker 1>some stuff. People originally took that as they were getting
<v Speaker 1>a PSI pro That doesn't seem to have happened yet.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's happened, We don't, we don't know about it yet.
<v Speaker 1>But they got pro Ress footage, which is like high quality.
<v Speaker 1>Well you can have very early yeah, I know all
<v Speaker 1>the time. Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, I'm explaining for all
<v Speaker 1>your listeners that there's you know, varying qualities of progress.
<v Speaker 1>But I'm sure they're getting the highest quality pro res
<v Speaker 1>and I think that with that they're able to actually
<v Speaker 1>get as close to the details as possible. Still though
<v Speaker 1>you know they're there. That's the just the the encoding
<v Speaker 1>and stuff. The process by which that stuff gets encoded
<v Speaker 1>in the first place is probably not the same the
<v Speaker 1>digital foundery would used to really get the details out
<v Speaker 1>out of there. But that's why even with I've heard
<v Speaker 1>of it Forbidding West like this is still hard to tell.
<v Speaker 1>I think what we're what we're going to see here
<v Speaker 1>is probably some of these things actually get cleaned up
<v Speaker 1>still a little bit, and and more improvements come once
<v Speaker 1>this thing is actually out in the world. These are
<v Speaker 1>the earliest pro modes for a variety of titles, and
<v Speaker 1>one on the PlayStation first party side, a bunch of
<v Speaker 1>games that were already taking such advantage of the hardware
<v Speaker 1>that they already were so good. And then on the
<v Speaker 1>third party side with stuff like Allen Wake two, limited
<v Speaker 1>ability to dedicate resources to getting the most out of
<v Speaker 1>one skew of one system that isn't even out yet.
<v Speaker 1>So I think, you know, if psfive pro's there and
<v Speaker 1>these people are like, actually, you know what, it's a
<v Speaker 1>sixty four P right now, because that's what we have,
<v Speaker 1>and we'll turn on more features, and that was the
<v Speaker 1>easiest thing we can do. I bet that stuff actually
<v Speaker 1>looks a little bit better, you know, six months a
<v Speaker 1>year from now, right, Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, But again, it's just I remember saying this when
<v Speaker 3>the most recent generation of consoles launched, the PS five,
<v Speaker 3>the Xbox Series X and all the upgraded you know
<v Speaker 3>in videographics cards, and I was saying, I don't think
<v Speaker 3>I can see anything, yeah right, So yeah, I mean
<v Speaker 3>it's one of the and like again, the load times
<v Speaker 3>on the PS five are already phenomenal. It's just it
<v Speaker 3>is hard to get better than we already have yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Especially especially with the amidgen refresh using the same c
<v Speaker 1>you know, and you know first much as like I'm
<v Speaker 1>right with everyone being like that's a high price for
<v Speaker 1>not that much money more in all things. By the way, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I called I yes, I was going to get to that.
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get that walk away from myself. That was
<v Speaker 1>right on the money, and I was right there, like
<v Speaker 1>I think it might be right, but I'm gonna go
<v Speaker 1>with six fifty because I'm scared. And uh nope, they're
<v Speaker 1>not scared. They're like Emon knows what she's talking about.
<v Speaker 2>They changed their minds. They were going to tell it
<v Speaker 2>for sex many people.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, there we go. We found everybody, everybody.
<v Speaker 3>I'm the reason the Posi Pro seven hundred dollars.
<v Speaker 1>Some other details from this Hogwarts Legacy footag. I thought
<v Speaker 1>that game only ran at thirty frames per second on
<v Speaker 1>PS five. Apparently there is a sixty frames per second mode,
<v Speaker 1>but they showed up the thirty frames per second mode
<v Speaker 1>in this footage. There probably will almost certainly will be
<v Speaker 1>obviously still a sixty frames per second mode. We have
<v Speaker 1>no idea what the improvement's like will be there for that,
<v Speaker 1>but on the thirty frames per second mode. There is
<v Speaker 1>improved ray tracing. They said, there's still some visual noise
<v Speaker 1>in the background, but it looks better than it did
<v Speaker 1>in the standard version. Grant To Orisonal seven also has
<v Speaker 1>ray trace reflections that happen in the when you're driving
<v Speaker 1>now and those are at quarter resolution, so ten ADP.
<v Speaker 1>But it still looks really good, and they point out
<v Speaker 1>it looks better than the ray tracing in Fortsa, which
<v Speaker 1>has you know, these driving games, it's very easy to
<v Speaker 1>get really high performance out of them. They were able
<v Speaker 1>to get some ray tracing I think at Fortsa Horizon.
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry the Fords of motorsport a new one. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>grant Christmal seven though better ray tracing. So yeah, they're like,
<v Speaker 1>that's one of the futures that they're promising here. That's
<v Speaker 1>one of the things you would want to see. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>can this like look better? Right out of the gate,
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna look a little bit better. Yeah, does raate
<v Speaker 1>tracing move you though? I've been we've been talking a
<v Speaker 1>lot about this one too, as we talked about the
<v Speaker 1>PS five pro. I don't think anybody cares, but I
<v Speaker 1>don't know, you know me, if I'm wrong.
<v Speaker 2>Look, it's no, I don't. I don't think you are wrong.
<v Speaker 3>I think that it is very similar to a well
<v Speaker 3>dressed set in a TV show or a film. You
<v Speaker 3>appreciate it, but you're not really looking at it.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 3>It's one of those features that you don't think about.
<v Speaker 3>So yes, you would probably play a game with upgraded
<v Speaker 3>rag racing and go, huh, there's something about this that
<v Speaker 3>looks nice, but you're not actively clocking like, oh, it's
<v Speaker 3>better rag.
<v Speaker 1>Tracing, right, And it's it's kind of thing where then
<v Speaker 1>if you go in the settings to get more frame
<v Speaker 1>rate on a PC game, people are turning that off
<v Speaker 1>before anything else, and then they're turning down shadows because
<v Speaker 1>it's like I just don't even care about that stuff,
<v Speaker 1>And it's well, these are things that cost the most
<v Speaker 1>of the performance hits, so yeah, I get way you
<v Speaker 1>turn them down. So when presented with the choice, when
<v Speaker 1>people actually go into the menu, they're going in there
<v Speaker 1>like not really, like this is not worth what I'm
<v Speaker 1>losing here. The last little tidbit from this in Digital
<v Speaker 1>Founderies Early Opinion, looking at this footage, they are settling
<v Speaker 1>around DLSS invidious upscaling AI technology still looking the best,
<v Speaker 1>still performing the best, which makes sense. They've been developing
<v Speaker 1>it for a very long time and put a lot
<v Speaker 1>of money into it. PSSR is then right behind that,
<v Speaker 1>and then FSR is below PSSR, and that makes sense.
<v Speaker 1>FSR has not had at least so far. They are promising,
<v Speaker 1>I think, to get to a point where they will
<v Speaker 1>begin using AI modeling for the upscaling machine learning something. Again,
<v Speaker 1>machine learning would be good at, has been good at.
<v Speaker 1>It's been proven by the LSS, and PSSR does have
<v Speaker 1>machine learning helping with the image re reconstruction, so you
<v Speaker 1>can see the benefits right there. I think it'll probably
<v Speaker 1>always lag a little behind DLSS until a point where
<v Speaker 1>this stuff is just so ubiquitous that it's like we
<v Speaker 1>don't even think about the brand names anymore, right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think that that's some of what.
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to say confuses me. But it's just
<v Speaker 3>an observation that I would like to make about at
<v Speaker 3>least the PS five pro which is that the people
<v Speaker 3>who really care about this stuff they have PCs, you know.
<v Speaker 2>Like that's the way that I feel about it.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think you're I think you're right to
<v Speaker 1>a point I think that's why it's like people keep
<v Speaker 1>using the term niche, and I'm like, I think niche
<v Speaker 1>usually describes it like the product is solving a niche
<v Speaker 1>issue or something like that. This is I think it's
<v Speaker 1>more boutique. But you know, whatever, the actual terminology whatever,
<v Speaker 1>Who cares. I think this there are they are looking
<v Speaker 1>at a smaller subset of a smaller subset of users, whereas, right,
<v Speaker 1>people that will spend money to upgrade, and then those
<v Speaker 1>among them who like have to have the best of
<v Speaker 1>the best, they're going after them. And that is probably,
<v Speaker 1>when all things are said and done, pretty equivalent to
<v Speaker 1>the number of people who bought a PS four pro
<v Speaker 1>relative to the total number of PS fours that sold,
<v Speaker 1>which I think we've heard it's around twelve percent. So
<v Speaker 1>I think one out of ten, one out of nine
<v Speaker 1>people are gonna of everyone who ever bought it buys
<v Speaker 1>a PS five, that's about the number they're looking to
<v Speaker 1>hit with this. And yeah, I think that's like not
<v Speaker 1>as big as the PC user base.
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I think the last thing here about the FSR versus
<v Speaker 1>PSSR and stuff like that. I was just playing Star
<v Speaker 1>Wars Outlaws again on the Roger Ally, which gives you
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of options for image reconstruction on there. Now,
<v Speaker 1>the Ally doesn't have an Nvidia DLSS. I think that
<v Speaker 1>game supports DLSS. I'm pretty sure it's right, but it
<v Speaker 1>does have FSR and Intel's z SS, the XSS, which
<v Speaker 1>actually looked way better than FSR in terms of like
<v Speaker 1>how how like standard or how stable the image was.
<v Speaker 1>On FSR you get a lot of noise around objects,
<v Speaker 1>anything moving. But FSR two or whatever it was that
<v Speaker 1>I had, like one of the later ones because it
<v Speaker 1>had frame generation, which is we can create new frames,
<v Speaker 1>we can interpolate frames between these other frames and first
<v Speaker 1>bats that's been on Motion Smoothie on TV. It's gotten
<v Speaker 1>pretty good in games here just recently, yes, just recently,
<v Speaker 1>and it's like kind of still just want the frame
<v Speaker 1>generation as opposed to the image looking better. So even
<v Speaker 1>when it's like, okay, PSSR is going to be better
<v Speaker 1>than FSR, if some games get some more frame generation
<v Speaker 1>options from FSR on on console, I would like to.
<v Speaker 1>Although I wonder maybe these things can be used in Unison,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I guess there's no reason because PSSR
<v Speaker 1>would just be built into the game. It's not probably
<v Speaker 1>not probably not even something you turn on or off.
<v Speaker 2>I would suspect not.
<v Speaker 3>I suspect that that is just baked into the PS
<v Speaker 3>five pro versions of games.
<v Speaker 2>Basically. Yeah, yeah, it's Uh.
<v Speaker 3>I think that some of it is is that I
<v Speaker 3>have that like, uh adversity to the like motion smoothing
<v Speaker 3>that we see on televisions because you say it is
<v Speaker 3>it is good in games, it's but it's like, oh god,
<v Speaker 3>in TV it's so like, I don't know, Oncanny Valley
<v Speaker 3>and or something.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's I mean, especially for field footage that
<v Speaker 1>we're so used to looking one way and then you
<v Speaker 1>want to add the soap on top of that. Never
<v Speaker 1>never works. Yeah, No, this thing, I think pre orders
<v Speaker 1>start here pretty soon, right at the end of the month.
<v Speaker 1>I think is when they actually go up for pre order, uh,
<v Speaker 1>seven hundred dollars. It launches November seventh. I want to say,
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of going from memory here on a lot
<v Speaker 1>of this stuff. Yeah, I think this thing probably does
<v Speaker 1>just fine and and has an initial like splash where
<v Speaker 1>it probably does sell out and it's difficult to get.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I don't know. Do you think this like
<v Speaker 1>changes the calculus for this generation in any real way. No.
<v Speaker 3>I think that it's as you say, like this is
<v Speaker 3>this is a niche market, and I think that at
<v Speaker 3>that price point, Tony has to know that, they have
<v Speaker 3>to know they are they are very specifically marketing to
<v Speaker 3>the tech junkie that wants all the upgrades, because they.
<v Speaker 2>Are very subtle.
<v Speaker 3>I have no interest in getting a PS five ro
<v Speaker 3>and I'm a I am a Ride or Die PlayStation girl.
<v Speaker 1>You uh you played you loved Final Fantasy seven rebirth Right.
<v Speaker 1>People were complaining about that being a little blurry, a
<v Speaker 1>little shot. Okay, I've played it.
<v Speaker 2>No, I played in.
<v Speaker 3>I played in in graphics mode because I go, I like,
<v Speaker 3>I don't mind.
<v Speaker 2>I like thirty fps.
<v Speaker 3>I think for me it's like because I control the
<v Speaker 3>camera if I were shooting.
<v Speaker 2>A show or a movie.
<v Speaker 3>You know, like that's just it's just changing the way
<v Speaker 3>that your brain thinks. And I grew up playing games
<v Speaker 3>that ran in thirty FPS, so it's like not hard
<v Speaker 3>for me to do that. And it was like, you know,
<v Speaker 3>we went I remember I remember the Final like media
<v Speaker 3>preview going to that and they were like, hey, make
<v Speaker 3>sure that you put this in in graphics mode and
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, yeah, this looks great.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what people are.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I think they said, like one out
<v Speaker 1>of four people do still just use the graphics mode,
<v Speaker 1>and uh yeah yeah, And I think that for a
<v Speaker 1>lot of games when they have the lock thirty frames
<v Speaker 1>per second, it does it does actually look fine, like yeah,
<v Speaker 1>most people are not going to think of the difference
<v Speaker 1>until they see it side by side, and.
<v Speaker 2>That's totally yeah.
<v Speaker 1>No, I like I still notice, but it's like, just
<v Speaker 1>because I'm now at this point, I'll play on PC
<v Speaker 1>for so many years in a row, it's always play
<v Speaker 1>at sixty francs for a second or higher. So yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, that's not most people. Well, I guess according
<v Speaker 1>to PlayStation most people still choose performance, though I wonder
<v Speaker 1>how many of those would would think about it if
<v Speaker 1>they weren't given the option. Yeah yeah, all right, Hey,
<v Speaker 1>PS five pro still kind of dominating the conversation has
<v Speaker 1>since since they announced it. I think at the very least,
<v Speaker 1>that shows and like that's you know, obviously that's what's
<v Speaker 1>happening on this show, but it's happening everywhere. I think
<v Speaker 1>that demonstrates that for as high as the price is
<v Speaker 1>and for as much as the conversation is around who
<v Speaker 1>needs this and what like? How like? Are these improvements noticeable?
<v Speaker 1>People want to be excited about new hardware. They are
<v Speaker 1>looking for reasons to care about this thing. And I
<v Speaker 1>think while Sony does seem to be dropping the ball
<v Speaker 1>a little bit about giving them an obvious thing to
<v Speaker 1>like hang their hat on, I think it's a good
<v Speaker 1>sign for them and for anyone that's going to be
<v Speaker 1>making a console that people want to be excited about it,
<v Speaker 1>whether or not they really have one. Yeah, we'll see that.
<v Speaker 1>That probably means good things for PS six down the line,
<v Speaker 1>and we'll talk about actually that here in a second.
<v Speaker 1>All right, on the Nintendo side of things, two new
<v Speaker 1>Nintendo Switch hardware bundles announced for the US, and this
<v Speaker 1>one is like such a switcher grew this from tom
<v Speaker 1>Iban at VGC. Nintendo of America has announced two new
<v Speaker 1>switch hardware bundles priced at three hundred dollars. The Nintendo
<v Speaker 1>Switch Mario Kart eight Deluxe Bundle We'll see are back
<v Speaker 1>again include a stick still right in Mario right Mario
<v Speaker 1>Kart eight Still. It includes a standard switch system with
<v Speaker 1>the red and blue joy Con controllers, a download code
<v Speaker 1>for Mario cart eight Deluxe, and a twelve month Nintendo
<v Speaker 1>Switch Online membership. Now bare the bundles I think different
<v Speaker 1>because in the past I think you paid three fifty
<v Speaker 1>because it came with the game, but you got ten
<v Speaker 1>dours off, So they are like technically, I guess not technically,
<v Speaker 1>but they are effectively lowering the price. This is a
<v Speaker 1>basically a price cut for as far as I can remember.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe this was the pricing last year. I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Then there's the also the Nintendo Switch O Lead Mario
<v Speaker 1>Kart eight Deluxe Bundle, which comes with the O led
<v Speaker 1>switch with the white Joy con controllers, a digital copy
<v Speaker 1>of Mario Kart A Deluxe, and twelve months of the
<v Speaker 1>Switch Online subscription for three hundred and fifty dollars. Now,
<v Speaker 1>I said switch aru because in Australia they just announced
<v Speaker 1>like a Super Mario Brothers Wonder a bundle and things
<v Speaker 1>like that. So it's like other other territories starting to
<v Speaker 1>get some of these other games put into the bundle,
<v Speaker 1>and who knows Nintendo could still do that here for
<v Speaker 1>this holiday. It doesn't seem like it though, seems like
<v Speaker 1>they're just once a game going with Mario Kart, which
<v Speaker 1>is wild sixty five million copies. That's number it's coming
<v Speaker 1>to mind that feels too high, But I think that's right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's right. And honestly, it's so fun
<v Speaker 2>and you.
<v Speaker 1>Know, agree, it's one of the best. Truly.
<v Speaker 3>I saw somebody in chat and they're like, there's a
<v Speaker 3>ninety percent chance you're gonna want to play Mario Kart
<v Speaker 3>eight anyway.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for real. I think what that says, though, it's like,
<v Speaker 1>who's Nintendo's still going after with these bundles it is.
<v Speaker 1>I think it's families that's still for some reason don't
<v Speaker 1>have a Switch.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, absolutely, because you have to think of it this way.
<v Speaker 2>So when what you did the Switch launch.
<v Speaker 1>Twenty seventeen, seventeen.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, so twenty seventeen, okay, so think of children
<v Speaker 3>who were born in twenty seventeen who are now seven
<v Speaker 3>years old.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a really good now.
<v Speaker 3>An age to start playing Nintendo Switch. I mean truly,
<v Speaker 3>Like case and point last Christmas, my nephews got a
<v Speaker 3>Nintendo Switch.
<v Speaker 1>Yep. And it's not like there's like easy game sharing
<v Speaker 1>for digital copies, like obviously physically you can borrow s. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but really people get their own switch, and it's like
<v Speaker 1>they're going to need their own copy of Mario Kart
<v Speaker 1>and now that everyone can play together and they can
<v Speaker 1>play it on their own. But it's like it's like
<v Speaker 1>the model they're going for, there will be homes with two,
<v Speaker 1>three four switches and each of those people have their
<v Speaker 1>own copy of Mario Kart, which seems to be how
<v Speaker 1>it went down.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, truly, I mean they just look at but again
<v Speaker 3>it's like, you know, just statistically speaking, it's like you're.
<v Speaker 2>Still marketing, like and and I will be very clear
<v Speaker 2>that one.
<v Speaker 4>Of the games that they got was Maria cart Ain't Deluxe,
<v Speaker 4>So you're now marketing your marketing this game two children
<v Speaker 4>who were born after the game came out, you know
<v Speaker 4>what I mean?
<v Speaker 2>Like, isn't that wild?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? And that's that's the strategy here, is like that
<v Speaker 1>always set up a new crop of young kids to
<v Speaker 1>become Nintendo fans.
<v Speaker 3>And uh, yep, absolutely, And when you're and when you're
<v Speaker 3>selling it.
<v Speaker 2>At an extremely.
<v Speaker 3>Affordable price point, like it's it's uh, you know, smart
<v Speaker 3>marketing Nintendo.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it looks and it looks more like
<v Speaker 1>three hundred dollars for the switch standard it has been
<v Speaker 1>the price, but now you're including a game and it
<v Speaker 1>looks more affordable than ever. As everything else has gone
<v Speaker 1>up in price. It's like we say, hey, these things
<v Speaker 1>aren't getting price cuts. But there is like an argument
<v Speaker 1>to be made. It's not a great one, everybody, but
<v Speaker 1>sit down for that. If something stays the same price
<v Speaker 1>while everything else is going up in price, that feels
<v Speaker 1>kind of like a price cut, especially for people who
<v Speaker 1>have not bought one yet and are looking around and
<v Speaker 1>seeing a seven hundred dollars PS five pro And again
<v Speaker 1>that's in a completely different league to the Switch. But
<v Speaker 1>that's yeah, when people are just looking at prices, they're
<v Speaker 1>not thinking that deep about these things. They just want
<v Speaker 1>to feel like they're getting an okay deal. I think
<v Speaker 1>I think that.
<v Speaker 3>Helps absolutely, and I mean in Gorgar and Chat points out,
<v Speaker 3>it's not a new angle. My first console was the
<v Speaker 3>nes and that came out three years before I was born. Now,
<v Speaker 3>at the time it was that Nintendo was not that
<v Speaker 3>they were the only name in the game, but they
<v Speaker 3>were certainly the front runners in the game, whereas now.
<v Speaker 2>Like Nintendo is, they're just there.
<v Speaker 3>They basically for forever been not rest on their laurels,
<v Speaker 3>but leaning into the fact that they were the like
<v Speaker 3>forefather of the home console generation, and and because of that,
<v Speaker 3>they have all of these established legacy titles, and they
<v Speaker 3>have this established history of being the family gaming console.
<v Speaker 3>You know, it was truly you know, the family computer
<v Speaker 3>so to speak.
<v Speaker 2>You know. So yeah, you know, now it's become their
<v Speaker 2>business model.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, and dark Dayleron points out, like, yeah, most people
<v Speaker 1>see three hundred dollars and they think I need to
<v Speaker 1>feed myself in pay rent. Yeah, of course, then you're
<v Speaker 1>not at this, you're not at Target shopping for consoles. Then, yeah, exactly,
<v Speaker 1>that was like the default, like the you know, baseline
<v Speaker 1>for the whole conversation there is like, yeah, you're considering
<v Speaker 1>getting something fun from your entertainment budget for your family,
<v Speaker 1>and you're still you're still price sensitive though even if
<v Speaker 1>you are in that situation, that's all we're talking about here.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, like the people are I think wanting to
<v Speaker 1>feel like they're getting a deal when they're spending anything,
<v Speaker 1>and it's they have not felt that way shopping for
<v Speaker 1>anything for a very long time.
<v Speaker 3>Now.
<v Speaker 1>When we do hear like, oh, like good deals are
<v Speaker 1>coming back to McDonald's. They keep saying they're gonna keep
<v Speaker 1>not not cutting prices, but introducing specials that like make
<v Speaker 1>people feel like, oh, I'm getting a lot more than
<v Speaker 1>I used to get for ten dollars again, and by
<v Speaker 1>just saying you're getting a game for three hundred dollars
<v Speaker 1>included in this thing, people will feel like that's a
<v Speaker 1>little bit better than it's been for the last three,
<v Speaker 1>four or five years.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, if you're looking for a deal, just
<v Speaker 2>go to Taco Bell.
<v Speaker 3>It's hard to spend more than five dollars for an
<v Speaker 3>individual human at Taco Bell.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just get like four or five soft tacos, a
<v Speaker 1>good big exactly. Brush those things. All right, let's take
<v Speaker 1>a quick break. When we get back. PlayStation is kind
<v Speaker 1>of talking about the future beyond PS five pro right
<v Speaker 1>after this, All right, let's get into it. PlayStation's co
<v Speaker 1>CEO insists Constant will remain the core of its business,
<v Speaker 1>which I didn't think was a question, but let's get
<v Speaker 1>into it anyhow. From Andy Robinson at VGC, PlayStation's co
<v Speaker 1>CEO has said that the console will remain the core
<v Speaker 1>of its business. Sony Interactive Entertainment has recently made expanding
<v Speaker 1>to PC and mobile devices a priority for its business,
<v Speaker 1>though console users continue to receive the majority of its releases,
<v Speaker 1>well in advance of other platforms. In a new interview,
<v Speaker 1>Hideaki Nishino Nick Nishino, a head of Sony Interactive Entertainment's
<v Speaker 1>Platform business group, was asked by Japanese publication NIEK if
<v Speaker 1>he could summarize the value of consoles. I think with
<v Speaker 1>that with mobile devices, there are many games that show advertisements,
<v Speaker 1>and PCs are difficult to set up, but with PlayStation,
<v Speaker 1>once you turn it on, you can experience the content
<v Speaker 1>you bought straight away, he replied. The store where you
<v Speaker 1>purchase software also offers an intuitive experience because the products
<v Speaker 1>are laid out in an easy to understand manner. He added,
<v Speaker 1>we are trying to increase our share of the overall
<v Speaker 1>game market by developing content for PCs as well. There's
<v Speaker 1>no doubt that consoles will be at core of our business,
<v Speaker 1>but by offering titles for platforms or other excuse me,
<v Speaker 1>other than consoles, we will reach a wider range of customers.
<v Speaker 1>All right, I think, oh that's true, and and it's
<v Speaker 1>hard to argue with, but I do think that there
<v Speaker 1>is something where it's like the dam has broke, the
<v Speaker 1>seal has been lifted, when you start saying the reason
<v Speaker 1>to get a PlayStation is not here's the only place
<v Speaker 1>you can play this very important game, which has been
<v Speaker 1>the argument from the PA.
<v Speaker 2>It's been and has been the the.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly like it has been the core of why
<v Speaker 3>to buy PlayStation, right.
<v Speaker 1>And I think for all these consoles for a very
<v Speaker 1>long time, that's been what has made the console world
<v Speaker 1>go round. And now they're saying it's easier than a
<v Speaker 1>PC and that feels less magical, right, which you know, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>how much do I care about the magic? I want
<v Speaker 1>to play the games? Me personally, I don't. I'm not
<v Speaker 1>too worried about all this. But it does seem like
<v Speaker 1>them saying like this feels like the beginning of the
<v Speaker 1>end of consoles. Whether that's ten years or twenty five years,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but it's like, I think we come
<v Speaker 1>back to this point where it's like, yeah, all the
<v Speaker 1>games are going to be everywhere eventually not too long actually,
<v Speaker 1>but in the meantime, if you don't like setting up
<v Speaker 1>a PC, here's a box to use instead that yeah,
<v Speaker 1>less magical.
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah? Yeah, it is.
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's less uh, it's less intimidating than a PC.
<v Speaker 1>Oh for sure. Yeah, I mean I agree with that.
<v Speaker 1>I agree with that the argument. I just don't think
<v Speaker 1>that's like the uh uh sort of thing where it's
<v Speaker 1>like people feel great about spending a lot of money
<v Speaker 1>on something because it's easier. They feel they like spending
<v Speaker 1>a lot of money on something because it makes them
<v Speaker 1>feel special. And I'm saying this is this is kind
<v Speaker 1>of the easy version. Doesn't make I don't think that
<v Speaker 1>makes people feel special.
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it makes people feel special.
<v Speaker 3>But I do think that it, you know, it does
<v Speaker 3>appeal to a to a consumer because oh, yeah, you
<v Speaker 3>are asking somebody to just hey, here's a box that
<v Speaker 3>you buy and it's ready to go and you hook
<v Speaker 3>it up to your TV and you can play games.
<v Speaker 3>Whereas you know, I think people can get intimidated by
<v Speaker 3>the PC and getting bogged down by all its components.
<v Speaker 3>Do I think that a PC is a.
<v Speaker 2>Better long term investment.
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, However, you know, and we also have to consider
<v Speaker 3>the fact that, like the US is a huge PC market,
<v Speaker 3>in Japan, PCs are becoming more prevalent growing, it's growing,
<v Speaker 3>but it's always been a console market.
<v Speaker 2>You know this, this kind of goes.
<v Speaker 1>Back now it's a mobile phone.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that's a mobile phone market. That's very true.
<v Speaker 3>But you know, you know this, this goes all the
<v Speaker 3>way back to like the Dreamcast and the advent of
<v Speaker 3>online play with games like Fantasy Star Online, which kind
<v Speaker 3>of popularized online gaming at all in.
<v Speaker 2>Japan because it was such a console heavy market.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it's something that we're gonna like continue to
<v Speaker 3>see thrive. And I mean I've I've primarily been a
<v Speaker 3>console gamer for a very very long time.
<v Speaker 2>They do have a.
<v Speaker 3>PC now, but yeah, exactly, but I mean I think,
<v Speaker 3>you know, literally, as I'm saying this, Rock h Strongo
<v Speaker 3>in chat says, I've an upgraded my PC in forever
<v Speaker 3>because most games I.
<v Speaker 2>Play just aren't that demanding.
<v Speaker 3>And most of the games that I play, like I
<v Speaker 3>have a PC to play indie games and most of
<v Speaker 3>them are that demanding.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, I think that this is them kind
<v Speaker 1>of being like, look, we have a certain level of momentum.
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people in chat pointed out and this
<v Speaker 1>is true, I mean, Phil Spencer themselves. The point of
<v Speaker 1>this out that a lot of people have a huge
<v Speaker 1>investment in the PlayStation ecosystem already. They are not going
<v Speaker 1>to abandon that almost no matter what, Like there's almost
<v Speaker 1>nothing that you can get them to abandon that investment.
<v Speaker 1>It is both financial and nostalgic at a certain point,
<v Speaker 1>where and when they look at all these things they've owned,
<v Speaker 1>they think of all the money they spent, they think
<v Speaker 1>of all the memories they made. They're not going to
<v Speaker 1>suddenly switch platforms, at least most of them are not.
<v Speaker 1>And I think Sony's like, Okay, well, we have that momentum,
<v Speaker 1>and then we just have the momentum of people that like,
<v Speaker 1>like you said, hey, I've been playing games on consoles
<v Speaker 1>my entire life, and he was yelling, yeah, and that's
<v Speaker 1>the way I want to continue playing games. So what
<v Speaker 1>are my options? And most people now at this point
<v Speaker 1>seem like they're going to pick PlayStation by default, and
<v Speaker 1>had been for a minute now, but especially now, So
<v Speaker 1>I think Sony's like, Okay, yeah, and now we need
<v Speaker 1>growth Somewhere's that growth going to come from. Well, it's
<v Speaker 1>kind of difficult to get a new generation onto consoles
<v Speaker 1>these days, especially when that Nintendo is kind of scooping
<v Speaker 1>up that whole audience, so we kind of have we're
<v Speaker 1>left with no other choice but to support the PC more. Now, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>P six is coming, Like they're not going to not make.
<v Speaker 2>A P of course there's going to be a PS six. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>but it is.
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's interesting and obviously, like Sony in of
<v Speaker 3>itself is this huge multi media eco system, so like
<v Speaker 3>games has always been a part of their market.
<v Speaker 2>Now, again circling back to the advent.
<v Speaker 3>Of the Sony PlayStation, one of the things that made
<v Speaker 3>it so successful was the fact that they immediately were
<v Speaker 3>working with third party developers and they made their def
<v Speaker 3>kits super accessible. So this is where we get into
<v Speaker 3>this weird area of them needing to also focus on
<v Speaker 3>the PC market because it's like you have these games
<v Speaker 3>like Your Final Fantasies, which have previously been timed PlayStation exclusives,
<v Speaker 3>and now they're moving to the PC market faster than ever.
<v Speaker 3>And that's because like war Nix, that's a that's a
<v Speaker 3>third party developer, you know. So it's like that is
<v Speaker 3>a company that in of itself needs to make money.
<v Speaker 2>So if they want to continue to have this.
<v Speaker 3>Great relationship with some of these third party devs that
<v Speaker 3>are making these huge titles that previously have been a
<v Speaker 3>big draw for being a PlayStation owner. You know, they
<v Speaker 3>have to in order to continue these relationships, accept the
<v Speaker 3>prevalence of the PC market, and these people who have
<v Speaker 3>invested all of this money into building out their PCs,
<v Speaker 3>going well, I'm not going to get a PlayStation because
<v Speaker 3>I've put so much money into this PC. I'm going
<v Speaker 3>to wait until this is available on the PC R.
<v Speaker 3>And so Sony is again, I think smartly expanding into
<v Speaker 3>investing earlier into that PC market.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think that they sort of like have no
<v Speaker 1>other real obvious options. So this has led them to
<v Speaker 1>be like, let's look more at PC and it's just
<v Speaker 1>the reality is it's not hurting them too much. And
<v Speaker 1>then the square innex deals aren't like turning the key
<v Speaker 1>so hard for them, where it's like this is if
<v Speaker 1>we keep doing stuff like this, that's going to be
<v Speaker 1>the thing that actually causes us to grow. People just
<v Speaker 1>won't be able to ignore these games. For as big
<v Speaker 1>as Final Fantasy seven, Reworth or any of these things are.
<v Speaker 1>And once these games get locked down to one console,
<v Speaker 1>especially from third parties, it actually seems to diminish the
<v Speaker 1>game instead of raising the platform. Maybe it race of
<v Speaker 1>the platform a little bit, but I feel like in
<v Speaker 1>the recent history that's felt more like it has diminished
<v Speaker 1>the games. And ye, I think Sony's still going to
<v Speaker 1>keep money hadding games and going out there making deals,
<v Speaker 1>and I think that's probably a good thing for them,
<v Speaker 1>to make their console feel important, but it's I think
<v Speaker 1>it's been less effective and so we have they have
<v Speaker 1>to grow on PC.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And it's like, I also want to take a
<v Speaker 3>look at like xboxes model with the Xbox Game Pass
<v Speaker 3>and how like a lot of the time, what it
<v Speaker 3>is is it's not that this game is only coming
<v Speaker 3>out for Xbox.
<v Speaker 2>However, it is going to be an Xbox Game.
<v Speaker 3>Pass day one release, So that makes me inclined to
<v Speaker 3>play per soa three reload on my Xbox rather than
<v Speaker 3>buying it.
<v Speaker 2>For my PlayStation, even though I prefer PlayStation at.
<v Speaker 1>Xbox, right. Yeah, And I think that's their hope was
<v Speaker 1>that argument would win over even more people, and I
<v Speaker 1>think it won over quite a few people. But it's
<v Speaker 1>I think what both Sony and Microsoft realized at the
<v Speaker 1>same time and two different degrees of problems for them,
<v Speaker 1>is that the audience they were fighting over that would
<v Speaker 1>be like one over by game pass, or would be
<v Speaker 1>one over by an exclusive Final Fantasy seven Rebirth is
<v Speaker 1>a really finite audience that they can see in front
<v Speaker 1>of them, and they're like, okay, where like who is
<v Speaker 1>now like funneling into these audiences because of all this
<v Speaker 1>exciting stuff we're doing. And the answer is, for all
<v Speaker 1>intents and purposes, no one. They just aren't. So yeah,
<v Speaker 1>they have to look for other areas for into ground.
<v Speaker 3>We are overlooking the main reason to own a PS five,
<v Speaker 3>which is Astrobot.
<v Speaker 1>Right yes, listen, go get a PS five for that
<v Speaker 1>game right now? Kidding me, Holy smokes. Sony has contracted
<v Speaker 1>contracted AMD for PlayStation six. Reports claimed this is from
<v Speaker 1>Andy Robinson of VGC as well. Shout outs to VGC
<v Speaker 1>for all the good work. Sony has contracted AMD to
<v Speaker 1>design and fabricate the PlayStation six chip due to the
<v Speaker 1>company's prioritization of backwards compatibility, it's claimed. According to Reuter's sources,
<v Speaker 1>AMD landed the contract through a competitive bidding process which
<v Speaker 1>took place during twenty twenty two that eliminated others such
<v Speaker 1>as Broadcom and Intel. AMD is also created the customs
<v Speaker 1>system on a chip for PlayStation five and the forthcoming
<v Speaker 1>PS five PRO. I think they also did PS four,
<v Speaker 1>And according to Reuter's this was crucial, a crucial point
<v Speaker 1>in Sony's decision for PlayStation six and that they it's
<v Speaker 1>basically a PC in there, and it's going to be
<v Speaker 1>essentially the same architecture and are just gonna work. So
<v Speaker 1>all those games that we talked about how people are
<v Speaker 1>invested in the ecosystem, well they don't want to give
<v Speaker 1>that up on the Sony side of things either. So
<v Speaker 1>AMD was kind of the only best obvious choice. Also,
<v Speaker 1>AMD almost certainly came in well under whatever Intel was
<v Speaker 1>going to try to charge. And Intel has gotten into
<v Speaker 1>the GPU space. They could have made an APU for
<v Speaker 1>this thing, but AMD has got so much more experience
<v Speaker 1>it was it's just clearly the safe bet here. But
<v Speaker 1>I think that means another generation where we get a
<v Speaker 1>PS six and it's a lot like the PS five,
<v Speaker 1>which was a lot like the PS four. And I
<v Speaker 1>don't know what other options Sony would have there, like
<v Speaker 1>how do you like freshen things up? Maybe I think
<v Speaker 1>most people don't want them to. I don't really want
<v Speaker 1>them to, no, but it does start to feel a
<v Speaker 1>little stale, right.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that's been a lot
<v Speaker 3>of the conversation of today is the like, well it's
<v Speaker 3>more of the same but better, Yes, but the better
<v Speaker 3>is hard to.
<v Speaker 1>Detect, right, it's harder to produce, and then it's even
<v Speaker 1>harder to notice and detect.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, exactly.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I think that still though a certain point, people get
<v Speaker 1>excited about new PlayStations. I think since the PS four
<v Speaker 1>was just like, hey, this is a gaming console. Yep,
<v Speaker 1>it's going to play the games you want them to
<v Speaker 1>play the way you want them to play, and I
<v Speaker 1>think people are just like, yeah, I want to be
<v Speaker 1>excited for that, so I will. I am going to
<v Speaker 1>be paying attention and trying to listen to any little
<v Speaker 1>tidbit that makes me feel good about it. And I
<v Speaker 1>think we're seeing it with the PS five Pro right now,
<v Speaker 1>and it'll be a lot easier for them to make
<v Speaker 1>that argument with the PS six. I think that probably
<v Speaker 1>will be a significant leap once they get a new
<v Speaker 1>CPU in there and do some fun stuff, and you know,
<v Speaker 1>there's always a chance that because by then, this like
<v Speaker 1>ray tracing hardware that's going to be in the PS
<v Speaker 1>five Pro will be much more mature from AMD at
<v Speaker 1>that point exactly, things probably can look even better, and
<v Speaker 1>we might be in a world where it's like every
<v Speaker 1>game on P six is using ray tracing and global
<v Speaker 1>illumination and we don't have rasterized lighting anymore. So it's
<v Speaker 1>like we're gonna have a lot of games that can
<v Speaker 1>like feel look and feel different. It's possible we're.
<v Speaker 3>All gonna have to play PS six on an imax
<v Speaker 3>screen in order to like truly experience what it what
<v Speaker 3>its capabilities are.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I do wonder if there will be like new
<v Speaker 1>display technology because you know, we talked about this in
<v Speaker 1>a recent episode where it's like, hey, the PS four
<v Speaker 1>pro was quick clearly the four K thing, and then
<v Speaker 1>these systems when they launch were actually HDMI two point one.
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people made a big deal about that.
<v Speaker 1>Now it was a much smaller audience thing cared about
<v Speaker 1>four K, but HDM two point HDMI two point one
<v Speaker 1>was still a pretty big deal for people earlier in
<v Speaker 1>this generation. That stuff is settled into place now and
<v Speaker 1>there's just nothing really on the horizon that feels like
<v Speaker 1>it's going to move those needles other than more bandwidth
<v Speaker 1>so we can get eight K at one hundred and
<v Speaker 1>twenty frames per second, which just is not going to
<v Speaker 1>be noticeable on anything less than an IMAX screen. As
<v Speaker 1>you said, all right, keep going here. Original Flappybird creator
<v Speaker 1>isn't a fan of the new game. This is from
<v Speaker 1>Alex hopvia Game Reactor. Yesterday we reported on the return
<v Speaker 1>to Flappybird. The twenty thirteen game took the world by
<v Speaker 1>storm when it first launched, only to be taken down
<v Speaker 1>months later due to death threats being issued are being
<v Speaker 1>sent to the original creator Dong to win. Now, with
<v Speaker 1>Flappybird coming back, all eyes are on the win once more,
<v Speaker 1>and he has some choice words about the upcoming app.
<v Speaker 1>Speaking over on Twitter and to Wind said the following, No,
<v Speaker 1>I have no effective relation with their game. I did
<v Speaker 1>not sell anything. I also don't support crypto to Apparently
<v Speaker 1>the people who made this game very much do. This
<v Speaker 1>story says the copyright to Flatpybird was bought by Game
<v Speaker 1>Tech Holdings LLC. If Dong the win didn't sell anything,
<v Speaker 1>that's just no way that that's true, and I don't
<v Speaker 1>think that's the case here. What people are saying is
<v Speaker 1>that maybe a trademark expired and a trademark is different
<v Speaker 1>than copyright copyright. It is just I've said this before,
<v Speaker 1>just this rock solid thing that you just can't miss with. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>like there's just no like you someone can sell their
<v Speaker 1>copyright to something that happens on the music and stuff.
<v Speaker 1>But yes, if that did not happen here, so trademark,
<v Speaker 1>but that would mean that soone they could sell you, right, Yeah, it.
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't lapse until a long, long, long, long.
<v Speaker 1>Term and you don't have to do anything to update
<v Speaker 1>it or anything like that. It just is completely rock solid.
<v Speaker 1>So anything called it like flappybird. So yeah, the trademark
<v Speaker 1>where which is meant to protect consumers, All right, there's
<v Speaker 1>no issue there whatever, I guess, But the copyright. He
<v Speaker 1>stole the copyright to the words flappybird for a video game,
<v Speaker 1>this would still be copyright infringement on that front, I
<v Speaker 1>would assume.
<v Speaker 2>I would assume so as well. I mean, unless there's
<v Speaker 2>any way that they can.
<v Speaker 3>Spin this as being parody, but then in which case
<v Speaker 3>it shouldn't be called flappy bird, right.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and it's right, And then but then they're like
<v Speaker 1>maybe that is where they could argue that the trademark
<v Speaker 1>actually helps them.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Either way though. This is so stupid. It sucks, and
<v Speaker 1>it's the worst habits of the people who who produced
<v Speaker 1>video games products, especially on the mobile side of things.
<v Speaker 1>It's just, oh, yeah, we can mind some mind share
<v Speaker 1>out of this thing. Put a bunch of micro transactions,
<v Speaker 1>traction transactions and it put a bunch of n FT
<v Speaker 1>stuff in there, and make some money, and it's just
<v Speaker 1>it's gross. Yeah, it sucks.
<v Speaker 2>I I hate it.
<v Speaker 1>I like feel bad for don to Win, Who's just
<v Speaker 1>like shut that thing down because it was ruining his life,
<v Speaker 1>he said at.
<v Speaker 2>The time, And I think it was ruining a lot
<v Speaker 2>of people's lives.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I love Flappy Birds Flattybirds, just a pure, pure
<v Speaker 1>video game. Yeah, this game tech holdings can go to hell.
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't need I don't need your Web
<v Speaker 1>three bullshit in Flappy Bird. That's crazy. Get out here
<v Speaker 1>with you.
<v Speaker 3>I don't even like fully understand Web three and NFTs.
<v Speaker 1>And it's all the scam.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, money barely exists, you know, Like money
<v Speaker 3>is a concept.
<v Speaker 1>It's just some words people said. That's not real. It's
<v Speaker 1>all fake all the way down. There's still such things
<v Speaker 1>in the United States of America. It's just an idea
<v Speaker 1>we had, all right. Powerworld won't switch over to the
<v Speaker 1>live service model. This is Blair Marnell at GameSpot. Power
<v Speaker 1>World has been one of the big gaming success success
<v Speaker 1>stories over twenty twenty four, but fans of the game
<v Speaker 1>were upset by a recently published interview which suggested that
<v Speaker 1>developer Pocket Pair was considering a switch to the live
<v Speaker 1>service model. However, Pocket Pair quickly released a follow up
<v Speaker 1>statement which denied that change, while hinting at the possibility
<v Speaker 1>of adding micro transactions to the game at a later time.
<v Speaker 1>Pocket Pair's official Twitter account for power World dropped a
<v Speaker 1>lengthy message which assured fans that the interviewing question was
<v Speaker 1>conducted months earlier, while discussions remain ongoing. The statement assured
<v Speaker 1>fans that the free to play games as a service
<v Speaker 1>approach is not suitable for us. Power World was never
<v Speaker 1>designed with that model in mind and would require too
<v Speaker 1>much work to adopt to adapt that game at this point,
<v Speaker 1>at that for this game, at this point, I guess
<v Speaker 1>they're trying to say. Additionally, we are very aware that
<v Speaker 1>this just isn't what our players want, and we always
<v Speaker 1>put our players first. Yeah, you know, this is a
<v Speaker 1>game I haven't thought about too much since we played
<v Speaker 1>it earlier in the year, but I'm sure it still
<v Speaker 1>has a lot of people playing it, not as much
<v Speaker 1>as was playing it WHENN'T launch, but that's just how
<v Speaker 1>things go. Yeah, I don't know. I would imagine that
<v Speaker 1>that's probably still pretty appealing to them to have free
<v Speaker 1>to play and kind of turn it into this big
<v Speaker 1>live service thing and trying to attract whales and adding
<v Speaker 1>the micro transit transactions for that, But that also would
<v Speaker 1>require a lot more frequent updates likely and that would
<v Speaker 1>be very challenging. So I get that a lot. That's
<v Speaker 1>probably what they mean here, And then I think the're
<v Speaker 1>right that the audience wants just regular big content patches
<v Speaker 1>that come out once or twice a year. And then
<v Speaker 1>if there are micro transactions to the side of that,
<v Speaker 1>no one's asking for that, but I'm sure they can
<v Speaker 1>get away with that. And you just find yeah, yeah, I.
<v Speaker 3>Mean it's like, you know, micro transactions that get a
<v Speaker 3>new gun for your post came on and a new
<v Speaker 3>outfit like that to me, to me, micro transactions like
<v Speaker 3>that are harmless, you know.
<v Speaker 2>It's it's when you're in the world of.
<v Speaker 3>Pay to win micro transactions, but like, is there really
<v Speaker 3>any winning in PWLL you know what I mean?
<v Speaker 2>Like cowld is just kind of.
<v Speaker 4>Like a.
<v Speaker 1>Enjoy the world, like you get the highest level of
<v Speaker 1>like all the crafting stuff, and it's probably a final boss.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but uh, there's definitely and they're honestly,
<v Speaker 1>there also might be like end game competitive play, like
<v Speaker 1>there is some Pokemon. Again. Sure I wasn't paying attention
<v Speaker 1>to that stuff, but for most people, you're right, this
<v Speaker 1>is going there half one with your friends, hang out
<v Speaker 1>for dozens of hours and uh and then if there's
<v Speaker 1>a an expansion that comes almost similar to like Art
<v Speaker 1>Survival Evolved, which you know this game has shared some
<v Speaker 1>DNA with.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely it's all right.
<v Speaker 1>Now here's a new locale with new you know, pocket
<v Speaker 1>pals and whatever they call. Yeah, yeah, all right. Nintendo
<v Speaker 1>announces the end of regular updates for Splatoon three. This
<v Speaker 1>is also for Andy Robinson at VGC. Nintendo has announced
<v Speaker 1>it will end regular updates for Splittoon three, two years
<v Speaker 1>after the game launched for a Nintendo Switch. The news
<v Speaker 1>was shared after this week's special Grand Festival event, when
<v Speaker 1>Nintendo's regularly updated Splatoon three with new weapons, Splatfest, and
<v Speaker 1>futures since its launch on September ninth, twenty twenty two.
<v Speaker 1>Support for the game's predecessors, Splatoon two also lasted for
<v Speaker 1>around two years, with its final significant update arriving in
<v Speaker 1>July twenty nineteen. After two incredible years of Splatoon three,
<v Speaker 1>regular updates will come to a close, reads a message
<v Speaker 1>on the official Splatoon X or Twitter account. Don't worry.
<v Speaker 1>Splatoon Splittoween, Frosty Fest, Springfest, and Summer Nights will continue
<v Speaker 1>with some returning themes. Updates for weapons adjustments will be
<v Speaker 1>released as needed. Big Run extra work and monthly challenges
<v Speaker 1>will continue for the time being. So it's just like,
<v Speaker 1>no new big features, no new big updates that we
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen before. This sounds about right, you know, to
<v Speaker 1>support the game for two years, don't force it to
<v Speaker 1>like have to like continue to succeeding on its own
<v Speaker 1>terms many years later. Just get to work on Splatoon four, right, Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>Are you big Splatoon person? I really enjoy those games,
<v Speaker 1>but I'm like, at this point, I don't know what
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking for for most Splatoon four.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I played the first one a little bit when
<v Speaker 3>it first came out. But I haven't really stuck with Splatoon,
<v Speaker 3>but it does make me happy to see that, you know,
<v Speaker 3>it has been extremely.
<v Speaker 2>Successful street Yeah, but.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, you know, I think Splatoon four and
<v Speaker 3>looking to the future of a switch Too, and you know,
<v Speaker 3>putting their resources into developing that, because that's certainly going
<v Speaker 3>to be a thing. This game is far too successful
<v Speaker 3>for them to not make a successor for the console's successor.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I think this sets them up to
<v Speaker 1>have a Splatoon four ready to go for switch To
<v Speaker 1>in the first cup of years of that system. Oh yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's that's probably right. I guess there's also even the
<v Speaker 1>chance of a Splittoon three Deluxe that could launch in
<v Speaker 1>the first year of the switch To. They you're right, though,
<v Speaker 1>this thing is a massive success, especially in Japan, but
<v Speaker 1>worldwide it's in the like it's over ten million copies sold.
<v Speaker 1>I think it might be close to twenty million copies sold.
<v Speaker 1>They want to build on that, so, yeah, they'll they'll
<v Speaker 1>find some way to do that with the switch To.
<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't be surprised if that's exactly what they're working on
<v Speaker 1>right now. Yeah, yeah, all right. Finally, twelve thousand fake
<v Speaker 1>Nintendo and Sega consoles to be destroyed in major retro
<v Speaker 1>gaming bust. This is from Ethan Gotch at Kutaku. An
<v Speaker 1>alleged vintage gaming trafficking ring was recently busted up in Italy.
<v Speaker 1>Authorities say twelve thousand counterfeit copies of the Atari, twenty
<v Speaker 1>six hundred Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis collectively housing millions
<v Speaker 1>of pirated games have been seized and will be destroyed.
<v Speaker 1>Twelve thousand fewer people will be subjected to running running
<v Speaker 1>Super Mario Brothers on an emulator. Imagine the horror. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>this is uh, you know, there's markets out there and
<v Speaker 1>I see these things, which it's always weird because it's like,
<v Speaker 1>you know, you could just make a system that is
<v Speaker 1>you know, can play all these games totally. Just don't
<v Speaker 1>make it a counterfeit Super Nintendo, so anything else, and
<v Speaker 1>it can have all these things.
<v Speaker 3>Exactly, don't sell it saying this is a Super Nintendo
<v Speaker 3>and you being like, yeah, exactly sell it.
<v Speaker 2>Being like this is the thing.
<v Speaker 3>It looks like a Super Nintendo, but it just runs
<v Speaker 3>relations of these games that's fine.
<v Speaker 1>Does exist, and then they do fine, and you know
<v Speaker 1>you're not supposed to include ROMs on those things, but
<v Speaker 1>a lot of companies do, and Nintendo doesn't really go
<v Speaker 1>after them, at least so far. That could change any second, obviously,
<v Speaker 1>but but you know, then then you just have to
<v Speaker 1>sell it without the ROMs included. And that's also completely
<v Speaker 1>viable when people can just get their own RUMs, which
<v Speaker 1>is still possible regardless of all the stuff Nintendo's done
<v Speaker 1>to try to shut that stuff down online.
<v Speaker 3>I mean to me, though, I'm like, just remarket these things,
<v Speaker 3>don't destroy them, Like that's so wasteful.
<v Speaker 1>That's I mean, that's what happens with counterfeit things, right that,
<v Speaker 1>Like you know about counterfeit coach bags being rounded up
<v Speaker 1>and destroyed and things like that. So this is about
<v Speaker 1>protecting the you know, the property rights, intellectual property rights, whatever,
<v Speaker 1>the product rights of these companies, and they take that
<v Speaker 1>stuff very seriously for some reason. Yeah, right, I agree
<v Speaker 1>with Ethan's like, oh, the horror someone ended up with
<v Speaker 1>one of these things. That's the games would be just fine,
<v Speaker 1>you could be fine, but they want to ensure the
<v Speaker 1>the you know, the sanctity of their marketplace, and so
<v Speaker 1>going after this makes sense from a certain point of view. Well,
<v Speaker 1>all right, let's see here. I'll get to the pull
<v Speaker 1>question in a second. Let me bring that up while
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing that, Tim, I whyt you te people where
<v Speaker 1>they can find you on the internet, what you have
<v Speaker 1>going on all that good stuff.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so you can find me at my name Emma
<v Speaker 5>Fife on Twitter that I don't use, and on Instagram
<v Speaker 5>and in the giant bumb discord, and then on TikTok,
<v Speaker 5>which I mostly am just a lurker on I'm the
<v Speaker 5>Ema Fife because I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Somebody took my name so weird, I know. And then
<v Speaker 2>I got what I mean.
<v Speaker 3>I'm weren't on a lot of stuff right now that
<v Speaker 3>I can't talk about, but hopefully you will all know
<v Speaker 3>very soon, and it's very cool and exciting stuff. So
<v Speaker 3>and then the Kickstarter for the upcoming Boss White book
<v Speaker 3>season is coming to a close tomorrow. So if you
<v Speaker 3>go to Kickstarter for Boss White Books you can help
<v Speaker 3>support wonderful creators.
<v Speaker 2>You should. The four books announced for this season are Request.
<v Speaker 3>Which a bunch of people guest, Outer wilds Untitled Goose Game,
<v Speaker 3>and Dance Dance Revolution.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if any of y'all were dty r kids.
<v Speaker 2>I sure was.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't play it very much in the arcade, but
<v Speaker 1>I got a top played it at home.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got PlayStation and home dance mats.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I got it for the PlayStation and in
<v Speaker 1>a verse for the Xbox three sixty and now that's
<v Speaker 1>the Matt. I still have it plugged into USB on
<v Speaker 1>the PC over here to play with the Stepmania or
<v Speaker 1>whatever it's called. Excellent. Yeah, people should go there, but
<v Speaker 1>Boss Fight Books, just sir Troy, you'll get the Kickstarter.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you'll find it all right.
<v Speaker 1>The whole question from last week, how much do you
<v Speaker 1>think the PS six will launch for? Uh? Five percent
<v Speaker 1>say five hundred dollars, say six hundred dollars, thirty percent
<v Speaker 1>say seven hundred dollars, and forty three percent say eight
<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars or more. I did the same one on
<v Speaker 1>on Twitter, and I actually did. I started at six
<v Speaker 1>hundred and seven hundred, eight hundred, and the nine hundred
<v Speaker 1>plus and nine hundred plus actually had the most, by
<v Speaker 1>far the most on that poll, So people are thinking
<v Speaker 1>higher rather than like in line. Even with the seven
<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars for this system, I think they will probably
<v Speaker 1>have a model on the shelf that starts at seven
<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars. I think they'll find a way to do that,
<v Speaker 1>but they most people will end up buying the version
<v Speaker 1>that gets you actually closer to spending nine hundred dollars.
<v Speaker 1>I bet is how it will go down. But what
<v Speaker 1>do you think you called it right last time?
<v Speaker 3>I did call it right last time, So yes, I
<v Speaker 3>do think that again there will be a a version
<v Speaker 3>of it that is around that seven hundred dollars mark.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, right, because then, because here's here's what's going
<v Speaker 2>to happen. They are marketing to the people that were like.
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm not going to buy some and I send
<v Speaker 3>seven hundred dollars on a PS five Pro. But then
<v Speaker 3>you have a version of the PS six that launches
<v Speaker 3>at seven hundred and you're like.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, dang, yeah, now I seven hundred dollars.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah right right, Oh, I'm so smart for waiting all
<v Speaker 1>those suckers that got the five pro and I'm gonn
<v Speaker 1>to peel six of the same price. Absolutely so smart.
<v Speaker 2>Yep.
<v Speaker 3>This version will not have a disk drive. I don't
<v Speaker 3>even know if consoles are going to have dis.
<v Speaker 1>Druve P S six will sell. They will have a
<v Speaker 1>separate disk drive. It will not come with the system.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yes, exactly, but yeah, I mean, and then there
<v Speaker 3>will an end. The seven hundred dollars version is the
<v Speaker 3>one that most people are going to buy, and it's
<v Speaker 3>going to be the one that's impossible to get, and
<v Speaker 3>so then you're gonna end up being like me. I
<v Speaker 3>didn't care about having a disk drive on my PS five,
<v Speaker 3>but I have one because that was the one I
<v Speaker 3>could get.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, yeah, right. I think a lot of people will
<v Speaker 1>end up. They'll get landed up, just like they do
<v Speaker 1>with the large popcorn at the movie theater and with
<v Speaker 1>the and with the iPads, where it's like, well, I
<v Speaker 1>want more storage, but now I'm spending that much money.
<v Speaker 1>If I just spend a little bit more, I'll get
<v Speaker 1>this one that has all these other features. They'll have
<v Speaker 1>ways to get people to spend, like I said, close
<v Speaker 1>to nine hundred dollars when it's all said and done,
<v Speaker 1>But they will still be thinking I got the seven
<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars version or whatever. All right, we'll see that's
<v Speaker 1>several years away. Who knows, maybe things will chance. You
<v Speaker 1>probably won't even have currency, and it'll be uh, you know,
<v Speaker 1>we'll be in the water Warriors along for a long
<v Speaker 1>time at that point. Okay, let's see a new poll question.
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever play the original Flatbybird? Yes or no?
<v Speaker 1>Kind of curious just to see what this audience has
<v Speaker 1>to say. If you can't tell the difference, you're like,
<v Speaker 1>I think this is the original Flappy Bird. You could
<v Speaker 1>just say yes. Who knows? There are a lot of
<v Speaker 1>clones out there. All right, we'll get the results of
<v Speaker 1>that on Game Mes mornings here on Giant Bomb on Wednesday,
<v Speaker 1>speaking a Giant Bomb, I think later today it will
<v Speaker 1>be Space Marine. Monday, we're play some more Space Marine two.
<v Speaker 1>That should work out. I don't have anything else that
<v Speaker 1>should take me away, so we should be able to
<v Speaker 1>make that happen. Me Jan and Dan. We'll get back
<v Speaker 1>into our save that we did of Space Marine two.
<v Speaker 1>It was a really good time. On Friday, we're gonna
<v Speaker 1>continue that, Yes, Spice Marine and then later this week
<v Speaker 1>obviously BombCast Tomorrow Wednesday, Light Clubs should be back. There's
<v Speaker 1>no reason it shouldn't be Thursday, of course, Voice Boy,
<v Speaker 1>Smell Dumb Truck. I think there's a new jet Jets
<v Speaker 1>this week or coming up sometime soon. Friday, we'll do something.
<v Speaker 1>We'll get some stuff going. I want to do a
<v Speaker 1>catch up stream and Jan keep talking about that. We
<v Speaker 1>gotta make that happen. We'll find some time to do that.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that can just be upf this week, but.
<v Speaker 3>Catch up stream, so you're gonna be sampling different types
<v Speaker 3>of ketchup.
<v Speaker 1>That's right, the spicy ketchup from from what a Burger?
<v Speaker 1>That's right. It was very good, all right, Emma Fi,
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for hanging out with me today
<v Speaker 1>and talking about video games. I really appreciate it.
<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having me.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you all for listening, and thank you all for watching.
<v Speaker 1>You are the best audience in gaming. Until next time,
<v Speaker 1>have a good one, take care of yourself, and goodbye.