Hot Topics Tuesday: RHOP Reunion Pt 1, Kandi & Todd, Quad, & Belle Collective

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 2: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well.

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Speaker 1: So listen. So guys, we're gonna recap Potomac.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about Candy and Todds divorced update. We're gonna talk about Quad having a twoful conversation about regretting not freecing her eggs. But first thing first, we have to get into Bell Collective is back every Friday and the Clock Selling Central on the Oprah Winfrey net work. That's right, Bill Collective is back. First thing first, we have to get into Latsha and Glenn. So to update everybody what happened last season. Latsia found out that Glenn was in another woman's DMS.

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Speaker 1: He said it was friendly.

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Speaker 2: They decided to, you know, deal with it, be a united front. This season openers showed that Latishia felt that you know what we saw last year after reunion last season after reunion was they were together and she is now questioning whether or not she should stay in this marriage.

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Speaker 1: Dustin, what were.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts on the latest between Latitia and Glenn.

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Speaker 3: I thought that what they were arguing about in the therapy session cannot possibly be what they really beefed out about. That's what I thought, because we met Leticia Pearson on this show right hosting her Women's Brunch in Mississippi. I believe it was called Women's Brunch Mississippi. She has presented herself to the audience of that show as deeply having an entrepreneurial spirit and at that being something that's important to her and she's passionate about. They had conversation after conversation in the offices of Latisia Pearson Enterprises, where she has filmed multiple times. So the idea of Latisia Pearson being a working woman and prioritizing her career is not foreign to the audience of that show, and we ain't married to her, so it definitely shouldn't be foreign to Glenn Glendale. When you fuck up, they call him Glendale. So we don't call them Glendale for the second this conversation. But yeah, man, I'm like, it's got to be something deeper. It's got to be more than this, because that, to me was a weak swipe all her she trying to be independent, or she gonna focus on herself and not me and build herself up to get out of here. I just didn't think it was a strong argument or such an axe and or you know, for them to grind such a fork in the role for them, I just didn't see it being a strong issue.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know what they lying, that's all.

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Speaker 3: And I love them, you know how much I love the Bells in general, the whole cast, and I specifically love Lets and Glenn being together.

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Speaker 4: I think they love the hell out of their son.

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Speaker 3: You see, they got on down from that awful therapy session, which don't even get me started on that, but they got on down from there because they had to what go get Josh their parents first, And I love seeing that they son is always well adjusted and happy, and you know what I'm saying. So I want their family unit to work. But them niggas was lying on that couch. It's more, there's more to the situation in that.

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Speaker 4: That's all Claudia.

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Speaker 5: I saw it as a real thing because I know a lot of girls that are going through this and I've been through before. When a man like that's the last kind of like grasp back controlling the woman.

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Speaker 6: And if you know you're out there being.

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Speaker 5: Foul, right and uh like you being foul and your woman has some actual things that can she can call you out on, you got to reach for something else, like well, you know you work too much. Any man, like you said, Carlos, like you said, dustin't he got with an entrepreneur. He got with someone that was successful. Don't get with someone and try to humble them. When you're in the doghouse. You can like even the late the playing field and you know, get your little aha moment.

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Speaker 4: No, I just said that. I just fucking said that.

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Speaker 3: That Glenn said that she thought she was setting herself up to leave him. I literally just said that, So what you mean, No, yes.

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Speaker 6: Let Dustin cook, but comes go ahead?

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Speaker 4: Doesn't like what you're listening to anyway?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Like no, it's okay.

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Speaker 5: Losing control and this is a trigger definitely for me, Like I'm like, oh, I can I when I saw that. I was like, oh, that to me is I can't get you with my actions because I'm fucking up lately, right, So let me make something else. Let me make it about like, now I have an issue with your career.

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Speaker 6: You're not home enough.

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Speaker 5: No, you don't like her being financially independent, which you can bounce on you. A lot of them, not a lot, but there are some men that like their women home barefoot, pregnant, or broke. There's plenty of men that say they date in the poverty level because like, these are women that need them and they can't walk away. Look at the administration what they're trying to do right now. They're trying to remove a lot of.

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Speaker 6: Professional positions that women lead in.

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Speaker 5: So it's like, you know, they trying to like just get us back out of the workforce and home.

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Speaker 6: Why is that? Low value? Men? Low self esteem?

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Speaker 5: Men, Men that like they can't get you another way, so they want to just like bring your ass down. That he wants to humble her, that's humbling because he was in the doghouse last season. That's the humbling thing. And I think she needs to run. I think that's a major red. Like your partners should want you to flourish and make a whole bunch of money, not be scared that if you make a lot be about to bounce on me.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't like it at all.

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Speaker 4: Blue.

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Speaker 7: There used to be this test that they would do with couples that were having problems, where they would say, if you won the lottery right now and one ten million dollars, would you still be with this person? I think letting those the answer.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 7: There are men who want to diminish you because they like you, because you're powerful, But they also like thinking that they can be the one person to tame you. And then five ten years go by and you used to haven't been tamed, and now they're angry at you for being the very person that they chased. And I think there's some hubrists involved, there's some egos, there's some weaponized incompetence. I do not like an overtly friendly grown ass man because while you smounted by his face, of god dam much, why can't they all see the back of your teeth. I don't like that. I like a man who's a little bit unfriendly, right, like he's kind of me my mama in our ecosystem. But strangers, second guests walking up to him. So even the DM thing, you just needed to look back because you wanted to feel special and you wanted to have somebody who's a nobody on social media who knows who you are to stroke you in the way that your wife tries to but can't because you know that you're not better than her. Which brings me to the point of people who compete with their partners make me nervous because it takes a very small man to compete with his woman.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, it's so wag.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Like he came off so small to me, and that's what been one of those little miniatures where his voice gets all squeaky like it was given out in the Chipmunks. It was very small man behavior. I'm very disappointed because you can tell that she's the kind of person who is not just community oriented, but she's very family oriented, you know what I mean. And to invest this much time in someone, in building an ecosystem with them, to find out that you've evolved and there's still where you found them. That's that's devastating.

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Speaker 1: Ladies.

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Speaker 5: You cannot be with the man that gets mad if you have a bigger chain than his it's okay, you know, I mean like a.

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Speaker 1: Bigger chain.

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Speaker 7: Something else.

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Speaker 1: Be happy.

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Speaker 7: He shows chain as the analogy. She could have said.

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Speaker 5: Something mad about it, or you want to get away with that chain upstage me, shut up, step of diamonds, that.

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Speaker 7: Step your diamonds of Claudia. Who did you spend the weekend with Claudia?

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Speaker 6: This is like I got triggered for some other ship this weekend. Two.

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Speaker 2: The one thing I didn't want to ask all this because there are people in the comments saying that Glenn is about to be what Todd Tucker is right in terms of how people are viewing Todd right.

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Speaker 1: In the in the in the social media realm unemployed.

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Speaker 7: You said what I thought, the people look at him like he's an unemployed hater right now, living people.

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Speaker 2: The things that people are saying is they they're they're wondering, is it difficult for a man?

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Speaker 1: Right? So in this case you have Glenn. When Glenn. The difference between Tod and Glenn is this. When Glenn met Leticia, their high school sweet she was.

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Speaker 2: A real housewife. She did not work, and she did bail bondsman, but she obviously was a stay at home mom and Glenn worked and Glenn provided everything right.

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Speaker 1: And what you'll see this season is there's.

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Speaker 2: A lot of revelations that comes out this season on Felt Collective every Friday at a clock com own, where Leatitia is discovering a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Plans that Glenn made that she didn't know about. Right.

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Speaker 2: Oh So on the flip side, you have Candy and Todd, and that situation is different where Todd entered the relationship and marriage where Candy obviously was the breadwinner. But when people are comparing Glenn and Todd, what they're saying is, are these men who don't want to see their women excel further because they are afraid of losing mout?

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Speaker 1: Is that something you think to dustin.

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Speaker 4: Glenn?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think in Glenn's case, for sure, Candy and Todd that's a little bit of a different case study because Candy was rich when they got married, and so it's just like as you illustrated with the origin story to Glenn and Leticia's relationship, it's.

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Speaker 4: A little bit different.

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Speaker 3: So it's a little misalignant, it's misaligned comparatively to me. But in Glenn and Latitia's case, he literally said in his confessional scene that he feared that she was going to set herself up financially to take off from him and leave him, and he expressed that he didn't want that to happen. He said that that's just how he wasn't saying it was true, but that's just how he felt, which.

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Speaker 4: I thought was honest.

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Speaker 3: And I thought that Glenn also expressed that he wanted his marriage to remain intact, and he was vocal about that, which he's been all even with the hiccups and the mistakes that he's made, He's always said he wants them to work out in the end.

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Speaker 4: So it's a little bit different to me.

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Speaker 3: I don't really think Glenn and Laticia's marriage is a lost cause yet, and I don't think that he is even positioning himself to have an exit plan per se. I think he's just insecure about his woman at which to me is a ridiculous take to have been that this is what season of Bell Collective six, Carlos seven.

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Speaker 4: So they've been on TV for years.

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Speaker 3: Latitia has been front facing to the public and career focused for years, so that's why I felt like it was a reach when they presented that as the problem that they're having in their marriage, right, I thought it was a reach. I don't think he sent himself up to mooch off of her and take her money in the end before.

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Speaker 4: They break up. So I don't I personally don't feel like that.

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Speaker 1: Claudia, what was the question?

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Speaker 2: There's a comparison between Glenn and Todd as we get to Todd next and even look what we also learned in the He's the Premier of Bell Collective. Is Marie and Cedric broke up? You know that was a relationship that you know, they were married, divorced, got back together, and last season we thought they were going to you don't make it. She found out that he was still seeing women allegedly because he's not here to defer himself, meaning on the show.

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Speaker 1: That he allegedly was seeing other women.

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Speaker 2: And Marie is a powerhouse, she's a self made millionaire. Is there something as we're seeing this pattern that the audience is seen when it comes to men not necessarily being fakeful or being able to work with a woman where they are in the spotlight and presumably making more money than them.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I will say this, They are totally to totally different situations but one thing, there is a through line, And I will say in relationships where the woman has a lot of light on her, a lot of attention. Now to say that Glenn doesn't get attention, not to say that Talk doesn't get any attention, but there is no denying that the women are.

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Speaker 6: The bigger names in these situations.

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Speaker 5: And I do think when a man feels that way, that's not really a natural position for a man of feel if they feel like they're supposed to be leading, if they go by.

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Speaker 6: The old school way of like relationships.

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Speaker 5: So I do think when you have that situation, a lot of times a man will try to get his kudos and try to get like he's he's trying to get more attention in another area, hence cheating allegations with Todd and hence allegations of sliding and DM from Glenn.

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Speaker 6: Like that's I've seen that happen a million times.

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Speaker 5: Like, Okay, I'm not feeling one hundred percent like the man in my relationship because I feel emasculated, even if she's not doing it to you. Sometimes a man would just feel like, damn, I should be doing better than my woman, so they go get the Like someone said, the waffle house waitress, you know, I mean they have a woman that's guys that checks all the boxes, got all the money, not the same money.

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Speaker 6: He's the only that makes you great. But like they'll.

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Speaker 5: Go get attention elsewhere because they got to feel like the man from something so fans Instagram just you know, toeing the line, maybe not cheating, but like really getting inappropriate attention.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I do see a similarity in that.

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Speaker 5: I think that happens to a lot of men that feel a little small around their women. So it does take a lot to be with the woman that's a you know, a character, you know, main character energy, that's it's not easy, but you know you like once again, that's.

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Speaker 6: The same thing like Blue said, that's what attracted you.

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Speaker 5: Like my problem is like, don't go chasing a mermaid and try to go fishing off the ocean if you ain't gonna water that bitch every day. You know what I'm saying, Like you go find someone that has all these things and those be the same things that you resent.

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Speaker 6: About them later and it happens.

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Speaker 5: And when you do that, it's obnoxious because don't try to change me once you get me loving you so fair I think so blue?

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Speaker 1: What should what do you think?

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Speaker 2: Is there something that women should be doing more or less to prevent themselves from being in these situations? Because when you look at the parallels between these these three women, three different walks of life, three different setups, but ultimately they are going through a situation of infidelity.

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Speaker 1: They're going through a situation.

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Speaker 2: Of feeling like they you know, the men, feeling like they're not being respected because their woman is out there more in the spotlight.

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Speaker 1: Is there something women should be doing more or less of?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, make sure that you're dealing with someone who doesn't even consider diminishing you, even in jest. Because earlier, when you talked about the differences of the origin stories, I don't think they're actually that different, because that light in someone is ever present, regardless of their station in life. Like nobody was surprised when Dustin said he was doing stand up comedy because we already saw it in him, and so when he directed it and harnessed it intentionally, it made sense to us. Right for Lutitia and even Candy, their light is ever present, whether it was escape or a stay at home mom. People who have that light, it's ever present and so when they finally figured out how to harness it, everybody's like, oh, that makes sense that you were going to be an entrepreneur. You are always doing the fish plates down at the you know what I mean, Like people always see that happening. So that sparking you that men are attracted to. How do they feed this spark or do they diminish it? If you are someone we joke about this all the time who says things like big money, even in jest, that is an attempt to diminish, even in jest. And so there are certain men who will very early try to diminish you or direct all your power towards them. If you want to make sure that you're going to be safe brown men, I've learned this the hard way. Find a man who already has a purpose. A purpose driven man doesn't have time for this foolishness. He has his own purpose that he's feeding into. You have your purpose that you're feeding into. And so it almost feels like two goliaths coming together. But if you have a partner who sees how magical and powerful you are. But they only like it when it's directed at them. But they don't like it when you're feeding a bigger purpose. That is the immediate red flag, because now you don't even see the vision that I'm trying to build with you. Right also to and I wasn't joking earlier. Men who need external validation all the time are always going to be the weakest link because the world is full of fact similes of validation for men like that. Weak men will always find somebody to stroke their ego. You need somebody who knows how to like themselves, even if there's no applause, because when we're on the show together and they're applauding me more than you, I need you to find another way to get fed, because that's not all that you have. So find you a purpose of a man who doesn't compete with you. And suddenly all these things sound stupid and unnatural.

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Speaker 3: And this is where I this is what I take fucking umbridge with. Right, don't say that you're a traditional man and you have conservative traditional views and all that, and they have a fraudulent enough ego to not be able to sustain a relationship with a partner that's more successful than you because.

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Speaker 4: They're bitch assness right there. That's new school shit.

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Speaker 3: So you can't subscribe to that right and think that you can actually feel a way about her being independent and being a bigger than like a bitch. And that school of thought is new and it doesn't align with conservative traditional views. So pick a side. Nigga is it utual?

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Speaker 4: Is it one? Mic?

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Speaker 3: I have very short to absolutely no patience really for men who are like that. I'll just put it like that. I don't think that's cool. If you want to be on some piece shit, if you want to be a player, if you want to run your home, you need to have your ego and intact. You need to be secure, and you need to be proud of the fact that you have a woman who's successful and can accomplish all these great things and take your family further than your ass would have been able to take it. You should applaud and celebrate that. But you can't have it both ways. If you're going to be strong and tough and the traditional man be that, don't be kying and bitching later because she's the shit. That's the most appropriate way I could articulate my thoughts.

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Speaker 5: People want the good parts of the thing that they claim that they want, like and I'll get smoked women and men on this one. I am a traditional man nowadays doesn't mean with a man back in the day. Now it's I want a traditional relationship, meaning you cook and clean and do other things me at home. But a lot of times they don't want to do the traditional thing that they did back in the day was provide for the entire household.

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Speaker 6: Mom, you do the house, so yeah, can you can you? Can you cook up my stereo? Can you can you pay the wall because you're retired? Can you can you do the mainly things that you want?

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Speaker 5: You say you want a traditional relationship, but you don't want to do You're getting your nails bupped along with me, you know what I'm saying, what I'm doing, you getting your eyebrows squeaked and all this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 6: Then you want me to do all the traditional things make you feel like you know, and women.

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Speaker 5: You can't sit there and say you're traditional women. You want a man to provide and payl of bills and then you can't cook their meal.

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Speaker 3: So you know, you know why that's not working on for people, Claudia, because it's played the funk out.

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Speaker 4: Let's just have the conversation all that antiquated ads.

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Speaker 3: I'm a tradition of this. I'm a tradition of that. We don't live in a traditional world. So while you you may be able to hold fast some principles and some values that are fundamental for you as a whatever the fuck you are, however you identify in this world, that's cool. But saying that women are supposed to be submissive and subservient. Men are just naturally supposed to lead and provide, and and it's just supposed to be like that, no matter what kind of effort you're putting forth, no matter what how you're contributing both ways, right, women or men, it simply is an outdated model. You can have reverence and respect for your partner, but all of that beating anybody into submission. And I'm not speaking physically, of course, but I mean browbeating someone and forcing submission on someone and forcing that relationship model is simply not functional in today's world.

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Speaker 4: We're not churning butter. We're not. You know, we're not in no disrespect to the communities of people that do.

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Speaker 6: But I'm just saying things.

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Speaker 3: Have progressed, and our views and our way and our our approach, our methods need to progress as well. We keep seeing this effort to well, I'm not gonna take this conversation there.

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Speaker 4: I'll just put it right there.

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Speaker 5: I just man need to go to war and now that make TikTok videos doing stuff like.

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Speaker 4: This or do all that.

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Speaker 3: Do all that, though right, get your facial, get your nails buff, dance on TikTok, go to work, go to work, pay the bill, take care of your responsibilities, and show up in the ways that are critically important to sustain a household.

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Speaker 4: I don't care about your habits.

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Speaker 3: I don't care about you doing that stuff that people can put in the feminine power and none of that shit.

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Speaker 4: How are you showing up fundamentally? Okay?

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Speaker 3: How are you responsible? Are you taking care of the responsibilities. That's the shit that we need to focus on as opposed to the other lenses that we're looking at things through.

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Speaker 4: That's all.

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Speaker 2: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos Kings.

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Speaker 1: Get back into the show.

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Speaker 2: I love I love this conversation. One thing I will say, I'll use an example. I did an interview with Mona Scott Young last year, and I spoke to Mona about her marriage she's married to this wonderful man named Sean Young. And I asked her a question about like, well, you know, how does it feel to be the bread winner in your relationship?

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Speaker 1: And she said, what do you mean by that?

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Speaker 2: And I said, well, you know you're the breadwinner and she said, let me correct you, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Everything we do we do together, Mona.

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Speaker 2: Me entertainment is just it's his company, just as it's mine. And she said, we don't go off of this tradition. She said, My husband and I had a conversation about what's going to work for our marriage, and my husband was the one who said, you go out there, you do all that. I'm gonna help you, support you, and I'm also going to help take care of these kids because you're managing Missy, you're.

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Speaker 1: Doing the show blah boom.

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Speaker 2: And one thing she said to me, she hates when people call her Mona Scott. She said, my name is Mona Scott.

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Speaker 7: Young.

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Speaker 2: Respect my husband and she talks about how and if you met Mona's husband.

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Speaker 1: Mona husband is like six foot six, he's extremely handsome. He's a big dude.

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Speaker 2: And she marveled at the fact that in this relationship where someone like me on the outside looking in can just assume like, oh, well, you know you're the bread winner.

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Speaker 1: How does he feel.

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Speaker 2: She did a fantastic job at not only checking me like she does, she did a fantastic job at explaining to me that this marriage works because I don't enter our relationship like I'm here and he's there.

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Speaker 1: She said, everything we do, he's just as equal a part of it as I am.

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Speaker 2: And she said, I reject the notion that because I'm the front facing individual in this relationship that my husband is taking a back seat.

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Speaker 1: He's not. He's right there with me, if you guys see him or not.

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Speaker 2: And I bring that up to say, I thought it was so beautiful Formona to say that, because, like Claudia said, it's easy to always say men, men, men, men, men, right, and yet obviously a lot of it is about that. But I do want to encourage women that if you are in a situation that's similar, it would be nice if you don't do this, if you can also find ways in your marriage to make sure that your husband does see you guys as equal where he does feel like you guys are a team, where where he may not feel like you're doing everything and he has no say cause let's have a real conversation, right. As somebody who grew up producing housewives, I'm not gonna name names, but what I will say is the reason why a lot of housewives are divorced is because they were stay at home mom and then all of a sudden they did have this fame. And yes, the large percentage of a divorce is because the husband felt not seen. However, I have witness with my own eyes how some women, not all, but some women do treat their men differently once they get rid of ye and the man who you used to run things by, you do not have a team and when and you don't, you don't pillo talk anymore, and you don't include him, and it is confusing sometimes if the dynamic was different, right, And that's why I encourage everybody. The biggest mistake that marriages make is that nobody wants to have a conversation about, Hey, this dynamic has changed, let's talk about it.

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Speaker 7: I'm so happy you said that. And there's one bit of nuance that I want to add because I think that point is so perfect because so many women they need to hear that message. I would dare to guess that the reason why Mona felt so empowered to keep him safe is because he keeps her safe. And what ends up happening is in a lot of those relationships, when the man was making the money, he was being ego centric and wielding it, and when they switch places, she mimics him. So when he was acting like, well, I'm making the money, so you can only say but so much when she switches places with him, she's like, well, if you got to talk to me crazy for fifteen years when you had the money, Now that I have money, it's your turn, buddy, and it becomes very tit for tat, And so I think a lot of those ball busting women are often mimicking what the men were doing when they were the one who had the money. And I think what everybody has to do is whoever is making the bread, right, whoever's making the bread, has to understand is how do I keep my partner safe so that when it's time for us to switch places because life ebbs and flows them, mimicking me doesn't feel like an assault because you were doing it. But now that I got the coin, I'm acting just like you. Now I'm a ball buster and you're being masculated. But my dignity didn't matter when you made the money. And so I think what we're realizing is when a man is in a relationship, and we talk about men being leaderships and old school women who want that kind of traditional relationship, if a man is leading you in a way that makes you feel safe when you're the one who has to lead. You had a great example of what it looks like because now you can give back what you already received. But if he was in your face making you feel small when he had the money, there's a part of you subconsciously that's gonna want to do that back when it's your turn.

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Speaker 6: Agreed, everybody has.

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Speaker 7: To be doing their job. I think it's a co creative experience. I think Mona protected her husband because her husband probably protects the doction out of her. I love that.

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Speaker 5: It's awful when anyone does it right and at church and then the payback like that's someone you should not even be with.

00:27:52
Speaker 6: I think if you even think to treat your partner jacked up because you have more money than them, or you're more famous in them, why even with them? Is that your product?

00:28:02
Speaker 5: Because I think that's I think that's evil. I remember I had a public relationship a few years back. Y'all all know who I'm talking about, and we did a reality show together, and I was very protective over him, Like I did not let people play about his name and say, you know none of that stuff and they didn't know. But at the house, I was very protective. We went somewhere, he's strapped, he's from a military. He's making sure I'm good, that you know all the basic things, the door and all that stuff. But just like I felt like I had a manner on me that protects me. When it's time for me to go on the air and do my show, he's setting up the lights. So I believe he was helped me make more money, right, So how dare I make emaculate him and be like and throw it back in his face when you really were with me shooting in the gym, You really were with me, And there's nothing wrong with saying that. Give you a partner with the props when they are there for you, providing that emotional support they're looking after.

00:28:50
Speaker 6: That is invaluable. Actually, especially in this business.

00:28:53
Speaker 5: Women, when you go out there, we already know how foul the businesses is the fact that you made it and you're more successful financially than your man. Don't go ahead and abuse him and throw it in his face later on, and vice versa. Men that have the money and they treat their women like crap because oh I got it, brand saying all that nonsense.

00:29:10
Speaker 6: You shouldn't be that person.

00:29:11
Speaker 5: You should beat another man that's you feel that you're equal seriously, because that's very, that's very, that's very, that's a that's a horrible like are you in competition with your woman?

00:29:21
Speaker 6: You know?

00:29:22
Speaker 2: So I want to get into the latest between Candy and Todd, Blue Claudia and Dustin. So Candy calls out Todd.

00:29:35
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. That's the other story that I'll resectulate.

00:29:40
Speaker 2: The TMZ headline is Candy Bird slams Todd Tucker as a guest house squatter. Okay, Candy is saying that Todd is living rent free in her guest house admit their bit of divorce and not paying a dime in rent.

00:29:59
Speaker 1: According to new documents obtained by TMZ.

00:30:02
Speaker 2: So again that's the TMZ headline. Candy slam Todd for not contributing financially to the home and for the care of their kids as they continue to fight over custody and support.

00:30:17
Speaker 1: Candy has said since they've been separated.

00:30:19
Speaker 2: Tod's been living in her guest home in Atlanta, which she says is on her property purchased before their marriage. In the court documents, Candy said that Todd has not paid a single expense for the maintenance and upkeep of the home, to include utilities, gas, long cair, water, pest control, or even fees associated with the alarm system. On top of that, Candy's alleging that Todd has not provided any support for the home where their.

00:30:53
Speaker 1: Two kids live. She said she is the traditional character.

00:31:00
Speaker 2: Did she's the traditional Claudia I'm realna legal note, She said she is a traditional caregiver for the kids despite her active professional life as an entertainer and reality star. Candy also sent the legal documents that she hired a nanny.

00:31:22
Speaker 1: Who does most of the rest of his slack.

00:31:26
Speaker 2: Despite Tod's claim on social media that he is.

00:31:31
Speaker 1: An active father. Todd has responded to.

00:31:34
Speaker 2: That, and in his filling Todd admitted that yes, he is living in the guest house, but he said it's because Candy unanal okay.

00:31:56
Speaker 8: Unilaterally removed from the main house by directing her Okay, Todd is saying that she moved him from the house child, give y'all the real version, and he also is alleged that he was removed from the main home directing her family members.

00:32:17
Speaker 2: To relocate his stuff without his consent and without court intervention. Todd is saying that he did not voluntarily leave the home, but did not fight Candy on it in order to preserve peace, instability, and last, but not least, Todd has said that Candy has been New York working on a Broadway project while he has been in Georgia taking care of the kids. Blue, what are your thoughts on the latest update between Candy and Todd, because it is starting to get a little bit messy.

00:32:57
Speaker 7: I think this is good, old fashioned weaponized incompetence. It's funny that we were just talking about protecting your partner. This is when keeping it real goes wrong. Sometimes you can protect your partners to the point where you enable bad behavior and you normalize it, and so when you try to course correct it because you're getting let's say a divorce, they are now acting like a child having a tantrum. Because well, you never took away my binkie before before bedtime. Why are you suddenly having all these rules and healthy boundaries now? I think we saw Candy being very protective of Todd. We just talked about this, right even when Mama Joyce was talking about him crazy, she was always like, that's my husband. I love him, X Y and Z. Todd has been enabled, in my opinion, just my opinion, he's been about. I think Todd's been enabled to be with a woman who gets shit done and he knows that he doesn't have to do but so much because Can's gonna always figure out how to get things done. That is weaponized and competence. Because now that they're no longer in a marital relationship in the traditional sense, he's still expecting her grace to overextend to him in a way that you're not her husband anymore.

00:33:55
Speaker 6: You're her a.

00:33:56
Speaker 7: Strange husband about to be divorced from her. And so I think Todd has probably been acting like this in ways that Candy has not told us not to embarrass him, and now that they're about to get a divorce, she's being honest about how little he's investing. I don't think this is new, and he still thinks that he has a case because he's used to being able to act like this and get away with it. Also with the family removing the items, as a grown ass man with a shred of dignity who knows how to stand on your own because you haven't been suckling on your wife's teeth for the last fourteen years. If the family took your stuff and put it in the guest house, he'd be like, you know what, I'm gonna figure out someplace else to go. I can make my own money, and I will make sure that I still spend time with my children, where for you just be squatting in the guest house and still allegedly not be taking care of your kids and be throwing a little look back that she's employed and therefore somehow not as good as a mother. There's something so nasty and weak about that. There's something nasty and weak and spiteful about how Todd is acting that makes me believe that he was enabled when they were married, And now that Candy's finally trying to stet boundaries, he thinks that that she's being unfair because she's finally making back like a grown up.

00:35:05
Speaker 1: Dustin.

00:35:08
Speaker 3: So I actually echo off quite a few sentiments that Boo just expressed, right, because I think that Todd's response her what you just shared with us to what Candy offered in the first place, right, which was, Hey, I've been paying and she she itemized right, she got specific. I've been paying the alarm bill. I've been paying for the education. I've been paying for the staff to help, you know, get be caregivers for the kids. I've been paying for all the expenses to the home, the long care. This this that she got really specific about what she been helping, what she been facilitating, and really specific about what Todd.

00:35:48
Speaker 4: Was not doing.

00:35:49
Speaker 3: His response was, your damn family moved me out the house into the guest house, and I didn't say nothing about it because I still wanted us to be cool. And you're away in New York working making money, and I'm here at the house and I have been doing some things with the kids. That doesn't address any of the financial items that Candy outlined in that initial piece that you share with us.

00:36:12
Speaker 4: So that makes me feel like I'm assuming here.

00:36:16
Speaker 3: I'm really I'm just that makes me feel like it's very, very possible that their initial breakdown in general could have been connected to Todd not contributing to the household expenses in some way, you know what I'm saying.

00:36:30
Speaker 4: I think Candy left the Housewives.

00:36:32
Speaker 3: She started doing other things, tour with Escape, produced multiple plays on Broadway, which he had partnered with him on. She was working and doing things, and we kind of stopped seeing Todd talking about opening another restaurant or running those businesses or being proactive. He did put out his film The Past, but that was something that he partnered with Candy on, so it wasn't independent of that.

00:36:56
Speaker 4: I know he has a new film out.

00:36:58
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if Candy is a part of that or not, but I think that this might all be about time making a mistake on top of not working and her being fed up with that. I think that that's what that all cooled me into a little bit, Claudia.

00:37:14
Speaker 6: I mean, she.

00:37:16
Speaker 5: Candy protected him so much and put him on every project. Let's be clear, Like not take away from Todd. He was working as a producer when she met him, right, but like her name definitely like ups the anti, you know, and she brought him on all these opportunities where if it was a Todd maybe could have got done. But Todd and Candy is gonna get done. It's gonna get done. But what I have a problem with him is complaining about her being gone in New York working so much and not being there for the kids, all while living and benefiting off of said work that she does to make it where you can live in the big house and even to the guest house rent free, and then also not contribute to the kids. You can't have it both way, my boy. You cannot. You know, like I'd be damn if I protected you all these years where together, and then when things you don't get your way anymore, or we go and we're going through our thing, we're breaking up. Whatever you try to put me on blast. That's for the judges. She's not here, she's gone all the time. She's not a present mother. She can't really possibly be a good mom. That's what that's for. That's a dog whistle for the courts, having it on record. He started this campaign a few months back, Daddy Daycare, Daddy Daycare, really putting it out there, like almost making it. And nothing is worse for a woman than to be viewed as a woman. That's not present for their kids, and that's a quick way to demonize her and make her seem like, yeah, she works and she makes the money. But once again it's another situation humbling. I gotta bring you down a little bit. So she's now demonized for doing something that benefits you. That is crazy, Todd and you know that, like you know that. And then of course you're not going to be in the big house with her, And of course it's even generous for you'd be in the guest house.

00:38:48
Speaker 6: But I think that may have been in the prenup.

00:38:50
Speaker 1: But like why I'll touch on that after you go.

00:38:53
Speaker 5: Why would you want to be in the same Like it's uncomfortable going through a divorce when people were at the point now where is they're taking shots now right in the media.

00:39:01
Speaker 6: Of course we can't be up on the same roof. And really, I don't want you on my property.

00:39:05
Speaker 5: It's time for you to take those checks that we made together and go be a grown up and go get a place for you so you can like entertain the kids when you have when you have them.

00:39:14
Speaker 6: I just don't like that.

00:39:15
Speaker 5: Don't don't criticize the very hand that's making this cushy lef style possible for you right now, that's that's wrong.

00:39:22
Speaker 4: That's wrong.

00:39:24
Speaker 2: And as you brought up the prenup, and again, I'm not sure if this aired made the cut and rain Drops tell me if I tell.

00:39:34
Speaker 1: Me if it didn't.

00:39:35
Speaker 2: From my understanding, because obviously you guys know, I'll produce the wedding special. And from my memory, I do believe allegedly that in their prenup, if something happened like a separation or divorce, that is in the prenup, that Todd would be in the guest house right.

00:39:57
Speaker 7: That the prenup said that he had thirty days to kate the main house if they ever got divorced.

00:40:02
Speaker 2: Yes, So I want you guys to know that's why he's in the guest house because that is a part of the prena. Now I don't know how long that is. It could be until the divorce is final. But I wanted to clear up because a lot of people are calling him a squatter and I just wanted them to know that legally he does have a right to be in the guest house.

00:40:25
Speaker 1: He's not saying it's still getting again again.

00:40:31
Speaker 2: Thankfully, I worked on the show and what I can say, because I was a president, Candy has step us on camera that.

00:40:41
Speaker 1: When Candy bought the house.

00:40:42
Speaker 2: In cash, and Candy bought that house before she met Todd. She bought the house in cash, and Candy renovated the house and cash.

00:40:51
Speaker 1: She did all this before she met Todd. From my recollection producing housewas of Atlanta.

00:40:58
Speaker 2: It was said that because the house is paid for, there's no mortgage, that Todd's contribution.

00:41:05
Speaker 7: Was the utilities and he's not paying that right now.

00:41:08
Speaker 2: Right So I wanted to bring that up because again, I know the audience and the rangeops is like, but why she talked about the alarm system, the utilities. I think she's saying that because part of their agreement was because the house is paid for, his contributions was the utility bills.

00:41:26
Speaker 1: And I do believe that allegedly that's why she put that in there.

00:41:29
Speaker 2: So again I want to add some context to it based on on that too. What I want to talk about next in terms of Candy and Todd, as this is getting messier than I think we all thought it was going to be. Quality, I'll start with you, are you because your friends with Candy in real life? Y'all hang out, you know, when when of you guys are able to be in the same city. Are you so prize that it is getting this messy because we're learning new information weekly based on the constant filing of these documents, And are you surprised that they weren't able to amicably settle all of this before the public gets to know such pertinent information.

00:42:24
Speaker 6: Well, I want to like put too much dip on my chip.

00:42:26
Speaker 5: With my relationship with her, it's just once in a while, like I don't talk to on the phone like that. We definitely show love on social media and stuff like that, and we did take her out for our birthday last year, and you know, I saw those signs.

00:42:37
Speaker 6: No, I'm not surprised.

00:42:39
Speaker 5: This is normal for any relationship, right The person you break up with is not the person you married.

00:42:43
Speaker 6: You're the person who get together with.

00:42:44
Speaker 5: It's all love and beautiful until it's not, you know, and sadly this happens. Like the person you love the most is like the person that's like dead to you.

00:42:52
Speaker 6: You don't even talk to them anymore.

00:42:55
Speaker 5: You resent them, you despise them, you know, because you're disappointed. I'm not surprised that it went like this. Actually, when we were covering it, we were.

00:43:02
Speaker 6: Saying it was good.

00:43:03
Speaker 5: I'm like, it's just a matter of time, because that's kind of what It's rare to have a good breakup. It's rare, especially when it's uneven like the you know, the financially and and Candy has a fan base.

00:43:15
Speaker 6: I'm sure he's getting irritated, and.

00:43:16
Speaker 5: Rightfully so from what people are saying about him.

00:43:21
Speaker 2: Well, he even posted Claudia on Instagram. He he posted Rick Ross songs scheme in State scheming and obviously we know that one of the famous saying it is a scheme that Todd sets set up got out to birth up.

00:43:41
Speaker 1: No, that's yeah, I'm birth yeah for that one.

00:43:45
Speaker 2: So he played the song stayed scheming Claudia and then the Captain Claudia, he brought the roller the F word.

00:43:52
Speaker 1: So do you think that is because yeah, Blue, he said.

00:43:55
Speaker 2: Do you think but Clauda to your point, do you think that candy fan base is attacking him? And this is his way of.

00:44:05
Speaker 5: Of course he's getting the most smoke even here on the show, like everywhere, he's getting the most smoke. But because that's how we see it where I mean, we're seeing I think the part that makes it worse is how protective Candy was of him, and that's why he's getting the smoke more of a lot of smoke. It ain't like it people can't call out women. They get called out all the time. But I think in this regard, we're more rexample quicker to side with her on this because she, like y'all said earlier, she went out of her way to check her family and like not let anybody diminish time.

00:44:39
Speaker 6: She definitely made sure no we this is my man and he's not my underling.

00:44:43
Speaker 5: She never treated him like that whatever they had going on, she did not publicly treat him like that. So then you almost feel like, damn you you you like you said Blue, ungrateful, like you know, you would think I have built some equity with you that in the game with you, like okay, if it goes bad, you can't take away that I at your bag. I elevated you career wise, monetarily, and I definitely didn't let no one play in your face about I never let no one disrespect me, including my own mother and aunts.

00:45:09
Speaker 6: So then to see it go like this is like damn bro, Like.

00:45:12
Speaker 2: Well, well there are people dusting and blue you can chime into to Claudia's point. There are people, though, Claudia, because I want to make sure we have both sides. There are people, though Claudia, who have said that Todd wasn't protected by her family in terms of the things they would say about him, and then to hear.

00:45:38
Speaker 1: That they moved out his stuff. Do you think that that.

00:45:44
Speaker 2: Do you think the Mama Joyce, let's call out what it is. Do you think the Mama and Joyce think never ever went away? Like you just like that always stayed with him and he did lose his mom. He doesn't have his father's decease, his mother's decease, So.

00:46:00
Speaker 1: Do you think a lot of that never left the state?

00:46:03
Speaker 5: Of course, because we're still saying to this day, it's a great it's it should be on a T shirt.

00:46:07
Speaker 6: It's a great saying.

00:46:08
Speaker 5: It's funny, right, and it's stuck to him and he's now branded by that, like people, you know, you don't even.

00:46:14
Speaker 6: Know what the situation was that she said that for, but we all know it's people use that. That's a mainstream saying now like it really is a scheme that's taught that up.

00:46:22
Speaker 5: People say that that didn't even watch the Housewives, so of course he's gonna feel defensive. And yeah, you're right, the family didn't protect him. I think Candy did her best.

00:46:30
Speaker 7: Yeah they're different, Okay, yeah, I said sorry. It's tricky. It's tricky when your family is committed to being ignorant and people are seeing you struggling to respect your mother while still honoring your husband. The effort that Candy has, I think he is ungrateful, because let's keep it a stack. Candy's not perfect. Nobody is perfect, right, there are moments where she could have fought a little bit harder, but she loved Mama joys that she loves Todd, so it got tricky for her. What makes me upset is I've said this. I think I said this when they first announced the divorce to you guys, I one hundred percent personally. Nobody else I to agree with me. I believe that Todd resents how exalted Candy is in general and thought the divorce would be the opportunities to nick her armor a little bit. Because when they first announced the divorce, she was being super lovely about it, like, you know what, we're still going to be friends. That's still the father of my children. We spend Thanksgiving together, doesn't have to be weird. She was still going to protect him post breakup, and he was like, look at this bitch. They're talking crazy about me and she's still on the kumbaya shit. I want to show that she's not perfect. I think there's a pot of Todd who was mad at the audience, but it's okay with taking it out on Candy. He wants to show that she's not as perfect as we all think on his way out, and that is resentment. Resentment is every psychologist we can talk to. Resentment is the most dangerous thing a partner can feel about you. It means they will spite you just to spite you, even if you are giving them every incentive to have their back. He resents her. I'm gonna die on that hill he resents her, and that's bigger than Mama Joyce, Dustin.

00:48:06
Speaker 4: You know, y'all know how I approach things.

00:48:10
Speaker 3: I think we need a rubric here, a guide here to like navigate these proceedings. And to me, the only thing that we can depend on are the court documents that have, you know, specific line items in them that deserve our attention. And while we could sit up and talk about whether we feel like it was cool the way that Mama Joys and them were disrespectful at times to Todd, or the way that there was static between someone Candy's family that loved her fiercely and was protective over her. Naturally, that doesn't say where her behavior was right or wrong. I'm just saying that's what happened. We could talk about that all damn day. But to me, what we should talk about is what the fuck is in them papers and what they are negotiating back and forth with in court. And when you read the list of items. Now one time that I hear Mama Joyce's rude comments, Now one time that I hear, you know, anything of that sort. His illustration of being put out of the house by her family. That's what happens when people have a divorce and a breakup. The families of the people come and support them in the breakdown of the marriage and the living arrangements. That's what happens. So thank you for having that context, But it's not indicative of mistreatment to me, at least to my ear when I hear it. Now again, I think that people use their feelings about and their opinions about what they saw on the show and the way that people were spoken to and treated, and they use those feelings to substantiate then taking a side in this divorce, and I feel like that's ridiculous. Right, They got two fucking kids together that are young and that are more than enough of a reason for them to figure it the fuck out and figure out how to get along with each other and make this as harmonious as possible. Who's right and who's wrong to me is pretty clear based on the fact that he got put out the house.

00:50:02
Speaker 4: Or not, right or wrong? Who broke the marriage?

00:50:05
Speaker 3: Right, it's pretty clear based on the fact that he got put out with our resistance of the house, he's not working gainfully as per the agreement that you just read. I mean, it just paints a certain picture for us, right, and so they have some things to figure out.

00:50:20
Speaker 4: This ain't about whether or not we like.

00:50:22
Speaker 3: The way Mama Joyce talked to him, or the fact that Candy didn't intervene enough or.

00:50:26
Speaker 4: None of that shit.

00:50:27
Speaker 3: Figure out what's on the papers and move the fuck on, because if it was me, I wouldn't give a damn about none of this. What do you need from me? Let's figure out how to dissolve this. I want to be done with your ass and I don't want to fight with you either. Let's just be done and get this finished because we got fucking children to raise.

00:50:44
Speaker 4: So I think.

00:50:45
Speaker 3: That and I know I'm being long winded, but they was on TV for fourteen seasons, so we got a lot of shit to talk about, So I think that, you know what I'm saying.

00:50:54
Speaker 4: People just form strong opinions about the way that in the systems that they ran their house with. People watch the show, form strong opinions as they should on the show that showcases your life, but they're.

00:51:05
Speaker 3: Carrying those opinions over in this divorce and they just don't belong there to me.

00:51:10
Speaker 2: Sorry, that's now, and listens everything you said. A lot of people are invested because, like you said, they were on the show together for Todd joined season five and Candy left the show after season fifteen, so Todd ten seasons on the show, Candy fourteen, So people are invested. Listen, my thoughts and prayers brought to Candy, Todd and children. Hopefully they can reach an amicable decision based on their divorce because you know, at the end of the day, what I will say is I've seen firsthand how much they love each other, and like said Claudia Sin and Blue said, obviously something happened in the marriage clearly, just based on the living situation that I don't want to speculate on because that hasn't been talked about, and I know there's other things being talked about. I don't want us to touch that because I would rather wait until that does come out by both parties, and until then, I don't want this to be a speculative moment of But he must have did that, she hasn't said in the court documents. She said a lot in clear launch systems. If you go talk about the ADT, you can talk about okay, So I'll say that. I want to move on to what's happening on Mariti Medicine.

00:52:40
Speaker 1: As we all know, Quad is in her forties.

00:52:44
Speaker 2: She has this boyfriend named King, and Quad is going through her IVF journey.

00:52:50
Speaker 1: It was a very emotional episode of Maritime.

00:52:52
Speaker 2: Medicine last night where Quad not only informed her castmates that unfortun fortunately the process of her trying to have a baby did not take.

00:53:05
Speaker 1: She had a scene with King that will get to in a.

00:53:08
Speaker 2: Second, But before that, Quad broke down and said that she should have listened to doctor Jackie and doctor Simone when they told her in her thirties to freeze your eggs, and she said she didn't listen because she thought she had more time, and being I believe Quad, I'm sorry if I got the age wrong.

00:53:34
Speaker 1: I believe Quad is.

00:53:35
Speaker 2: Forty four and at this stage in her life it's not.

00:53:42
Speaker 1: It's not working out so far of her having a baby.

00:53:45
Speaker 2: I want to talk to the ladies first about this, Claudia, when you saw that scene, what are your thoughts on that? And is it something that a lot of women in your friend group also thought that they have more time and they did not freeze their aids and their twenties and thirties and do they regret it now?

00:54:07
Speaker 6: Yeah, thousand percent.

00:54:09
Speaker 5: Terracey Emans telling me like twelve maybe ten twelve years ago, we would have lunch and she's like, have you frozen your eggs?

00:54:15
Speaker 6: And I said no, I'm good.

00:54:16
Speaker 5: You know, everything's like periods on time if I'm healthy. She's like, you should and she's like I have. She's like, I don't know if I want to have a baby, but I might meet a partner one day and she I didn't do it.

00:54:27
Speaker 6: So I've always been on the fence.

00:54:29
Speaker 5: But yeah, I do see a lot of women with some women that had chosen career to focus on career, and sadly it seems like it's hard to have both, you know what I mean.

00:54:42
Speaker 6: Do I regret it? Yeah? Sometimes I do.

00:54:46
Speaker 5: I that was heartbreaking to watch that because like, I don't I'm not dying to have a kid, but she obviously really wants to be a mom. So like knowing that that's something you really really want and there are things that you could have done that could have possible made that easy for you, it's it's heartbreaking the sea.

00:55:03
Speaker 6: I'll say it. I said it before and I'll say it again.

00:55:04
Speaker 5: I just feel like in America, especially, I would say Black women more than any of the demographic, don't usually have the luxury to take a time out from their career to take maternity leave. It's like always, like the pressure is always on one hundred blue talk about your high blood pressure. I'm always I have anxiety and ada. We don't have the luxury a lot of times, you know, and to like prioritize that. So we're busy working, getting money, you know, and the time the years go by.

00:55:34
Speaker 6: Yes, it's very sad.

00:55:37
Speaker 5: I would encourage young girls, if you really feel in your heart you want to have a baby, please freeze your eggs until you're in a better position.

00:55:42
Speaker 6: It's so sad to see that. Yeah, it's very common, very very calmon my friend's circle.

00:55:46
Speaker 7: Yeah, Blue, that scene was first of why I agree with everything Claudia I said that scene was a little triggering for me to watch. I don't use that word. I know it's a trendy word, but I don't get triggered easily. But like, it broke my heart seeing that I've said this before and here in twenty twenty, Ebony K. Williams told me to freeze my eggs and I started the process. And the place they sent me in Beverly Hills was so racist to me. It kind of soured me on it, you know what I mean. They thought I was just a young black girl and what are you doing it? Like they had to look at my age be like, oh no, she's grown, but like they were treating me like some young black girl.

00:56:25
Speaker 4: Come up.

00:56:26
Speaker 7: I didn't like how I was treated, and the guy I was talking to at the time told me, Oh, we could just do it the old fashionable. You ain't got worried about that plotois. He was full of it. And looking back, I regret that I was so easily scared off because in a couple of years later, when I see Ebony with her baby, and I'm like, fuck, I lost Like the years went by so quick between her telling me and then I looked up and she had a baby, and I was like, oh my god, my window right. And there's a sadness that came over me when I was like, I kept on deep prioritizing it, and my window might have just shut on me. And that it's painful to realize that you are so busy taking care of your family. I have elderly parents. I pay all their bills. I'm taking care of my mom who has kidney fellure, and my stepdad and all the people in my family that I'm taking care of. And when you're the breadwinner, this is something black women don't talk about. I'm not going to cry.

00:57:15
Speaker 6: It's okay if you do, though, this is serious. This is a sad thing, you know. It's like.

00:57:20
Speaker 7: It's a thing called network poverty.

00:57:22
Speaker 1: Right where you make it.

00:57:24
Speaker 7: You're living your dreams, you're doing all these fun shows, you're making good money, but it's not just your money. You have cousins who need groceries, and parents who are aging, and people in your life who you love who weren't as brave as you, and so you feel compelled to like make sure that you reach back and you take care of them. And then you look up and the one thing you wanted you forgot to prioritize, and so that, yeah, it broke my heart.

00:57:50
Speaker 2: No, and my Claudia said, listen, well, first of all, my heart was out to you, Claudia, and to you Lou.

00:57:59
Speaker 1: The reason like it doesn't affect us too, we do well.

00:58:02
Speaker 2: And that's the thing and the reason why I've known Quad for years, right.

00:58:08
Speaker 1: I never knew.

00:58:11
Speaker 2: In my conversations with Quad that that was even having a child with something on her list of things to do, because me and Quap was talking about like a bunch of other stuff.

00:58:21
Speaker 1: So seeing her go through this process, I was like, Wow.

00:58:23
Speaker 2: And one thing I want to ask you two before I get to Dustin, is the emotional toll that going through Iva has on couples, because what we're seeing this season with King and Quad.

00:58:43
Speaker 9: Is this.

00:58:46
Speaker 2: Sort of like I feel they're disconnected, right, But I do want to talk about the the emotional excuse me, turmoil that the ivy of journey and the fertility treatments and that pressure that applies to not just the woman but the man too. And and have you guys seen that in y'all experience, which our friends too.

00:59:10
Speaker 5: I think when you go through IVF, it makes it unsexy, like right, it becomes appointment setting, it becomes okay, we got to do it right now with all that stuff, right with even timing everything out, trying to get pregnant in natural with an IVF, it's you're injecting yourself with hormones. You're not yourself, you're not as fun as you once were. And your man sometimes you're making check out and you're doing this at the risk of you know, Black women are the most prone to dyeing childbirth in this country and a lot of countries actually the comparison to white bursts and attorney rates the morality.

00:59:44
Speaker 4: What am I saying?

00:59:44
Speaker 6: What am I trying to say?

00:59:45
Speaker 1: Mortality?

00:59:46
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, thank you? Mortality rates through the roof of black women. So you're risking all this and then on top of it, you're not sexy to your man right now because you're going through all these hormonal changes.

00:59:56
Speaker 6: Yes, it's it's it's very sad.

00:59:58
Speaker 5: I mean I never went through IVF, but I had a miscarriage before and I was abandoned by my mate. I said, actually, what caused it? I didn't eat for three days and then I went to the doctor's by myself or an ultrasound and they were like, oh and very it was like same thing, blue white clinic place. The doctor was very hard, like very hard and me not caring to me he said it. So he was like, no heartbeat, kiddos. That's how we said it, baby dad, and that's how he said it. And I'm like, I'm here by myself. And this person didn't have to carry the guilds of it, never even checked up on me. It totally churned me off from being a mom. So, I you know, partners, I only say that to say your role on this is so important supporting a woman, It's so important to like, yes, it may not be sexy for you for a few months or six months or a year or whatever, but like that is when she needs you the most. And yes, it's it's it's I don't know. It made me cold towards kids having kids, It really did, Yeah it did.

01:00:57
Speaker 4: Justin Yeah, you know, I don't have eggs. But what I do know is it neither.

01:01:12
Speaker 6: I don't think, I don't know.

01:01:13
Speaker 7: I love.

01:01:15
Speaker 4: I like to do there.

01:01:18
Speaker 3: I'm a person who fiercely believes that women should have one hundred percent control over their bodies and over the decisions they make when it comes to their healthcare, motherhood, and childbearing, and all of that is very sensitive and deeply personal for women.

01:01:35
Speaker 4: So I stay my ass up out of that.

01:01:38
Speaker 3: What I will say is that if you want to, if you choose to make a decision to take that journey with your partner, then take the damn journey from beginning to end.

01:01:49
Speaker 4: To me, you know, guess why you make a decision to do that.

01:01:53
Speaker 3: You know what it entails going into it, You know what the expectation is. You know the ways that you can support, and you need to be open to keeping an eye out for additional ways that you can support your partner.

01:02:07
Speaker 4: As y'all navigate that shit.

01:02:10
Speaker 3: So I you know, I just think it's kind of lame for people to get cold feet in the middle of that process, and then the woman is sitting there left to navigate these emotional waters alone. I just don't think that's cool. That's all I will say. And everybody see whatever their heart desires. If you want to be a mom, I hope it works out for you. If you're a woman who doesn't have that natural desire to be a mom, you still can be gratefully grateful, I mean greatly impactful, you know what I'm saying, to the lives of other children that you do have a relationship with. There's so many ways that you can pour into the next generation outside of traditional motherhood. So if that's something people desire, I hope that they get their heart's desires. And if it doesn't happen for people that desire it, I hope they find additional ways to kind of pour into the lives of young people.

01:03:00
Speaker 7: Charles, can I say one thing, and this is I'm not gonna get sary. There is one thing that women have to be honest with themselves about. That made me, despite my little emotional moment a couple seconds ago, make peace with this. I always knew that I wanted to be a mother, but not a single mother. And I think back in the day, as a trauma response, Black women were told be a mother by any means necessary, and I watched how much that killed the women in my family. And so me not choosing to have a child was because I wanted to do it as a part of a partnership or just get me a dog, right, And so this new generation of more emotionally intelligent like women who understand their options are saying, I want a child, but I don't want to do it in a way that's tended to struggle, just to say I have a kid, and a lot of us who are the kids of mothers who struggled know what it's like for the kid as well. And so there's a bit of a generational curse that's breaking that we're willing to make those hard decisions rather than just have a child by any means necessary. And I find peace in knowing that I was going to do my kid in the way that was best for them or not at all. That's me not being selfish, because a lot of women feel like they have to. If you didn't have a child, because you didn't find the right person to do it in the way where you'd be supported. There's actually honor in being honest that you wanted that support or not do.

01:04:17
Speaker 2: It at all.

01:04:18
Speaker 5: I one thousand percent agree with you. It's not that I didn't want to be a mom. I did not want to do it by myself.

01:04:24
Speaker 6: I did not.

01:04:24
Speaker 5: My mother struggled, left her country, beat my dad when they got divorced. She was an immigrant with two black kids in America making three hundred dollars a week, okay, and we had to struggle. And that's why I work so hard. I will never be at the mercy of a man that will take it away from me, or stop me from eating or with I did, oh, I already paid you this week, figure it out. I was never going to do that to my kid, never ever, ever, ever, ever. And so if it wasn't going to be the perfect situation, and hey criticize me for one in the profession, but I'm sorry, I wasn't gonna do it any other way. And then the one time I was vulnerable for a man that was not my husband, that we were in love, and I was like actually looking forward to that baby. When I gave him the news, he abandoned me because he had another situation going on, and it was just so it was it was devastating, like that's when I was on my suicidal It was all that stuff that was happening. It was crazy, right, And I just I know we're just sharing stuff like it's related to quiet. But women just have to go through so much. And it's nothing wrong ladies that you want to have a better life for your kid that you went through, Like Blue, I think we're.

01:05:35
Speaker 6: Both saying the same thing. There's nothing wrong. I don't think that's being selfish. I think that's being generous.

01:05:40
Speaker 5: I want to give you what I didn't get, you know, and I think more people should be doing that.

01:05:47
Speaker 6: Let's I don't want to struggle.

01:05:48
Speaker 4: I don't want to.

01:05:48
Speaker 6: I don't want to like get the the video games five years after the other kids.

01:05:53
Speaker 5: I don't want to like not know if I can go on to track me with the other kids because my father might not be kicking the money.

01:05:58
Speaker 6: I don't want to be like that.

01:05:59
Speaker 5: I don't want uh not be able to get the cereal that I want for my kid. No fuck that, I'm not doing that. There's nothing wrong with that, Blue, There's nothing wrong with that. I think you do the right thing. And you're younger, you got you got some eggs up and now don't know, I don't know what I got doing.

01:06:14
Speaker 7: I got three in the back, child, I got like three random eggs in the back.

01:06:19
Speaker 6: About you up right now?

01:06:20
Speaker 5: It might be the just the under achieve slackers that are just left over, and I'm I'm too strict.

01:06:24
Speaker 6: I'll be like nah man athlete.

01:06:29
Speaker 1: Well, I will say this, thank you guys for sharing your personal story.

01:06:31
Speaker 2: I know that was a difficult topic to talk about, so I thank you too for being open and honest about it.

01:06:36
Speaker 1: And listen.

01:06:36
Speaker 2: One thing we do on this show we try to encourage the audience and look if you're able to, because I know it's also costly. So if you are a woman of particular age and you want kids, you know, please take heed to the advice and look into freezing your eggs. Unfortunately, it is a real it is a real thing. So my heart goes out to you, blow you clas Enter, every woman who have to deal with this, and Quad, I love you, yes, okay.

01:07:06
Speaker 1: Love you Quad. I also love you James Earl Jones and Forrest well Cerve. Now we are getting into.

01:07:18
Speaker 7: That Segway was wild wild?

01:07:23
Speaker 1: This is that? Did James Jones say? This is ce it en? Or this is that?

01:07:30
Speaker 7: Was James O.

01:07:31
Speaker 1: Jones was.

01:07:36
Speaker 2: Just have to say, do just have to say, Okay, I want to get into this is a the Potomac Reunion.

01:07:44
Speaker 1: We gotta start off with the footage. I don't know what it is about. Listening. Shout out to the production company of.

01:07:52
Speaker 2: The network, because y'all are able to get these women in these very your situations to film a week later, whether it's a week later coming home from jail, or a week later in any situation. So Wendy and Eddie shot a scene a week after getting arrested, and listen, I'm always going to be honest where a little bit of my bias will show up. I am friends with doctor Wendy in real life. I will by saying this, I love you Wendy, I love you Eddie, and you know we'll see the due process and core well, I will say watching that scene where Eddie and Wendy were recapping their arrest, and keep in mind rain dropped.

01:08:42
Speaker 1: They shot this a week later after getting arrested.

01:08:45
Speaker 2: The part that struck me to my core that I did not see coming was when Wendy.

01:08:54
Speaker 1: Asked Eddie could their marriage survive it? And I thought to myself.

01:09:03
Speaker 2: Like, wait, what are we talking about? Because again, when we watch the show, it appears they have, you know, the strongest marriage out of anybody. So when she posted that question, it took me by surprise. And the reason why it took me by surprise is because this is my opinion based on what I saw.

01:09:30
Speaker 1: Her saying that made me believe this was allegedly.

01:09:36
Speaker 2: All on Eddie and that there was some sort of blame put on him.

01:09:43
Speaker 1: If I got that wrong, I got it wrong.

01:09:45
Speaker 2: I'm telling you guys my initial reaction seeing her say that.

01:09:51
Speaker 1: And not only did she say that.

01:09:54
Speaker 2: Wendy also said I'm not going to be the same after this. I'm not the same now are you going to be okay with that?

01:10:07
Speaker 1: And again I was like, there seems to be this I don't know.

01:10:15
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say this blame for him, but there did seem to be something put.

01:10:19
Speaker 1: More on him.

01:10:20
Speaker 2: And in that moment, I thought, to myself, is Wendy saying to us that.

01:10:26
Speaker 1: This was all Eddie and not her allegedly?

01:10:29
Speaker 2: Or did Eddie get did Eddie get her into this situation. What we did see in these alleged emails was that Eddie allegedly said to amp up the amount right, And for me, it was sort of like, Okay, is Eddie responsible for what's about to happen? And she's saying to him because you put me in this situation, I don't know if this matterage is going to work out for me.

01:11:00
Speaker 1: I could have gone that all wrong. Dustin, when you watch.

01:11:04
Speaker 2: That, what were your thoughts on that scene itself before we get to reunion.

01:11:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, I felt a little a little tug internally when Wendy said that in that scene, because it did pose some questions in my head like Okay, well is she place and blame here is she?

01:11:21
Speaker 4: But then I thought too, you know.

01:11:23
Speaker 3: If you're a married couple and both of you have been accused of some of the things that Wendy and Eddie are accused of, it's a lot of logistics involved, right, a lot of decisions that.

01:11:32
Speaker 4: Have to be made.

01:11:33
Speaker 3: It's a lot of changes that are gonna come. We know that they had asked a judge to try them separately, right Carlos initially, and so that coupled with those questions that she was asking Eddie makes me feel like maybe there was a situation where she wants to kind of identify, you know, who's at fault here. I don't know, she could have just been asking him that, like as our marriage is going to survive at if one of us has to go and one of us has to stay. Look what happened with Teresa Jedyce and her asshole ex husband.

01:12:09
Speaker 4: Look what happened to them?

01:12:10
Speaker 3: Right who had the audacity to have his deported ass on the internet complaining about the bad Bunny super Bowl. But I'm not even gonna go off about that shit this week. I'm gonna leave it there. But anyway, but it's the.

01:12:23
Speaker 4: Same thing talk.

01:12:25
Speaker 2: But to add to your point, does and to add to your point, Teresa Sarah on the show publicly the interviews that she blames jump.

01:12:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like that you have to think about that and that resentment is a real thing, you know what I mean When you start talking about jeopardizing somebody's damn family, the kids, stability, all that kind of stuff that can really tear a relationship apart, even if y'all did the shit together or not. So I don't know, but I definitely ask myself those same questions that you just identified in that scene, for sure.

01:12:56
Speaker 5: Claudia, you know what struck me as a red flag or like my antenna went up When they were doing that scene, they were on two different scripts. Her overacting of being dramatic in that scene was sending me like the way she was talking, I'm sorry, Wendy, I rock with you. I think you look bambas hell, you funny, smart, you got you know, for degrees and all that. But she was like, and I know bad acting because I do it all the time. It was like I was on the scene and they were like, Okay, okay, you need to act like you got to really sell this right.

01:13:37
Speaker 6: I would be like, do you think.

01:13:42
Speaker 7: Our marriage not the baby voice?

01:13:46
Speaker 6: Do you think we could surmart?

01:13:48
Speaker 5: And when you don't talk like that when I'm talking, when you talk to your dude, you'd be like, I'm worried, Like do you think we're gonna make it? You would say it like that. But I just felt like she was really putting a lot on it. So I don't think she's gonna send And I think they whatever it is, I think they both have equal now.

01:14:03
Speaker 6: I think they both know what it is.

01:14:04
Speaker 5: I'm not saying they're gooidty, but I I don't think he just blindly did something and Wendy had no lounger. She's too smart, she's too locked in, she's too observant.

01:14:14
Speaker 6: She's not a dummy, you know what I mean? I don't know.

01:14:19
Speaker 5: I hope they're innocent. I hope that there's a big misunderstanding here. But I also will say this in their defense in a way, when it comes to insurance fraud and overestimating stuff, I'm all for it.

01:14:32
Speaker 1: I don't hear she did we neither.

01:14:34
Speaker 5: I'm not even because the way they take your money every damn month for car I've never used my car insurance for nothing.

01:14:44
Speaker 6: I pay seven hundred a month of my car insurance. Okay, house insurance. Never used it.

01:14:52
Speaker 5: You've got five times, you get more of You've got my money like five times over already.

01:14:57
Speaker 6: So I don't feel as bad.

01:14:58
Speaker 5: White people do it all the time, all the time, and it never comes off as a scammer. It's like just kind of like business as usual. It's right called crime when it's them. So I'm not gonna sit here and say I'm even mad at them because let.

01:15:12
Speaker 6: Me tell you something. If I lose this necklace, I lost all of them. That's just that's the game, y'all. Julie's insurance is expensive. Damn. I can't lose no jewel. Now I can't file a claim because they gonna clip this.

01:15:24
Speaker 1: You are why.

01:15:26
Speaker 6: I just messed up. I didn't say the sea word, though, but.

01:15:28
Speaker 7: You didn't see next Thursday. I have a theory, y'all.

01:15:32
Speaker 1: You want to hear it.

01:15:36
Speaker 6: He seemed casual in to scene. He was like, I mean, you know whatever, and she was like.

01:15:43
Speaker 5: I and he was like, but I mean, he was like matter of fact, and I was like, there a few okay, I'm sorry.

01:15:53
Speaker 7: First of all, she said he he'd be eating edibles before he filmed, so he might have just been a little hot. She's on supply, so there's that. I have a small theory. Walk with me for a second. When they first started on the show, they were talking about how Eddie was a strange from his family because they didn't approve of Wendy. And we know that Wendy comes from my mother, who needs to be kept.

01:16:17
Speaker 2: Okay, that lady.

01:16:18
Speaker 7: Needs to be kept. I from watching them and reading court documents, am starting to get this niggling feeling, not niggling. He has a little niggling feeling. Yes, I'm back to my niggles because we're about to talk about James L. Jones, and my niggling feeling is based on the emails. Whether they came up together with it or not, Eddie was the lead. Based on the emails. He's the one saying, Hey, is there anything else you want to add to the list of the stuff that we're going to say? God took right, So he was the lead just as a matter of fact, based on the emails, he was the one cross referencing and making sure that they had claimed all the things for pam Olivan and them right and Eddie Hennessy. I think that they want to make sure that the heat is off of her because Eddie confessed in a podcast they did a couple of years ago that he just recently reconciled with the family that was estrange from him. He just got back into their good graces and have convinced them to welcome Wendy into the fray. So if we get caught in a ponderosa of swords, it's actually better for Eddie to take it on the chin and be the fall guy. Number one, because Wendy has a high earning potential with the show and everything that's happening with the Bravo franchise. Number two, I gotta still convince my family, who just started liking you five minutes ago, to keep liking you now that we in this kerfuffle. And number three, Eddie is less of a sensational character. Whatever happens to Wendy, even if it happens to Eddie, the headline is gonna be about Wendy, with Eddie being a side feature.

01:17:50
Speaker 1: Right.

01:17:50
Speaker 7: So the minute they said we want to be tried alone, that is something I asked my lawyer friend. She said, that's just something that couples do actually, when they're united and want to make sure they have chance for somebody to still be left behind with their children. If a couple wants to make sure that at least one of us can stay behind with the kids, they intentionally ask to be tried separately, so they have twice as many chances of somebody being able to take care of the children. That speaks to a cohesion, to a partnership, to the very Wendy and Eddie that we know in love. It's actually in alignment with them, and so I could see them Pam Oliver and Eddie Hennessy saying, hey, yo, you're the perfect fall guy if this goes left, because I can still make money, I can still make sure that we're good. Your family won't think that I'm the Jezebel who led you astray, and you probably be out in half the time because you're not as big of a fish as I am. I think they're in cohutes, even if she is doing the Escandolo telenovela acting. I actually think that they are still working as a unit while pretending to be having all of this emotional melee.

01:18:50
Speaker 6: And why they would be emailing these things when they live in the same house.

01:18:56
Speaker 7: And it got cocky, like why would you email? You're not good alleged thieves. Nobody think they're good at what they do. But I think they're still scheming it.

01:19:05
Speaker 5: Babe, me me out back by the pools, who we can talk. I'm a whisper in your ear, okay.

01:19:10
Speaker 7: And there's eight degrees between them. For degrees, these guys, we keep on talking about her fort degree hey has for degrees as well. Sometimes you can be so smart it makes you stupid again, That's how I know. I think they're still.

01:19:26
Speaker 1: Look at Hoot's friends.

01:19:28
Speaker 3: I don't I think that. I hope they. I hope that it works out for them, That's what I hope. I hope that they don't have to go to jail. I hope they get to raise their kids. I hope that if they do suffer a legal consequence, I hope it's not jail time, if at all possible. And if they did make that mistake, I just don't think they like bad people. I think they just did something wrong. So that's I don't know. That's just how I feel, you know what I'm saying. And I hope that it works out for them. I don't want to see them get caught up even though they made like something. If the allegations are true, they make some really sloppy ass mistakes that are shocking considering their level of education. But I don't want to see nothing happen to them. Call it what you want, I don't, So, yeah, I hope it work out in their favor.

01:20:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'll say this, there was a heartbreaking scene to see their son, not to see but to hear, excuse me, their son Carter like all of that was sad, and listen, this is my advice to all reality stars. I'll stay in my lane of reality. And this has This is not too Wendy and Eddie before y'all say it.

01:20:36
Speaker 4: This is this is.

01:20:37
Speaker 1: This is to all reality stars. You you guys.

01:20:41
Speaker 2: Have to stop trying to keep up with the Joneses. Okay, it's and and and and perpetuate a lifestyle that isn't real for you, because the moment you're you start doing that, you are. It's like when some want to say when you lie once and you say a lie to keep up with the lie you said at first, and the next thing you know, it's a tsunamia lies.

01:21:06
Speaker 1: It's one of those.

01:21:06
Speaker 2: Things you do you have to constantly keep up. And I just want all of you to know it's not even worth it.

01:21:14
Speaker 1: It's not worth it.

01:21:15
Speaker 2: Nothing is worth looking over your shoulder being worried about what's going to happen. It's like when you're driving without a license, or when you're driving on a suspended license and you're constantly looking over your shoulder hoping to not get pulled over. Being a reality star the unfortunate part of this genre is the fact that, unlike your scripted counterparts, the network doesn't pay for your glam, your wardrobe, none.

01:21:42
Speaker 4: Of that shit.

01:21:43
Speaker 1: You do it all out of pocket. When the DAYA has a movie to promote, the.

01:21:47
Speaker 2: Studio pays for every single glam and stylist. Law Roach is not getting paid out as India's pocket.

01:21:54
Speaker 1: The studio in which movie she's promoting.

01:21:58
Speaker 2: So when you see Tianna Taylor, for example, on this press run for her Oscar nomination and going to Globe Win, I want all of you guys to know, Tiana Taylor is not paying for these dresses. She's not paying for hair, she's not paying for makeup, she's not paying for the black car. These the studios paying for that because they want her to promote the film so that it can get the nominations. So reality stars, stop trying to live up to Zundia and Tianna Taylor and be.

01:22:28
Speaker 1: Okay with making the money you make and learning.

01:22:32
Speaker 2: How to use the reality show experience to to x your opportunities and don't end up in these situations.

01:22:42
Speaker 1: I promise you it's not worth it.

01:22:44
Speaker 7: Stacey did that. Stacey wouldn't by no Turquoise, she said, I'm not rich. I'm not buying shit.

01:22:49
Speaker 3: Stacey thought that it was ugly too.

01:22:54
Speaker 4: It was too much for her.

01:22:55
Speaker 1: She was like, I'm not rich, I'm not buying nothing.

01:22:58
Speaker 5: I ain't how everybody goes on these and act like it's so unrealistic to be, especially first year or two on a reality show, to really go on there and act like you have all this money and then you're doing it a lot of time for each other and for the fans, and the fans don't even have that money like that a lot of them don't, with some do. But like you're like, it's a whole lifestyle, Like look at these people that are they They are killing themselves financially, ranking clothes, doing scams, trying to like always look like they got the latest thing, knowing you really can't. Like it's okay to say, look, man, I don't have the newest burkin.

01:23:29
Speaker 6: I don't have it. I have no burkins. They you don't like, stop living for everybody else.

01:23:34
Speaker 5: Just be comfortable in your personality, that your personality is enough, not the shawl that you have from Fendi that you're like, shit, I really can't afford this.

01:23:42
Speaker 1: And you know who does it well? And I'll move on be like Sympton Bailey. Symp There Bailey.

01:23:48
Speaker 2: I have never in the years I've worked Atlanta Housewives, I have never seen SymPy Bailey with a label.

01:23:58
Speaker 1: And she's one of the most beautiful women in.

01:24:00
Speaker 2: The world, and she has her own style, and and no one looks at Cynthia and call her bad dresser.

01:24:08
Speaker 1: Now y'all call some other people bad dressers. We'll get to that later. But then you said, what present.

01:24:17
Speaker 6: She gets up? But if she does get a label, she's smart about it. Like she she put us all onto what's the store p J Max has?

01:24:27
Speaker 5: Uh, they would have they had the high end brands and have a super great sale, so you would go in and you would get the stuff that is a label much cheaper.

01:24:35
Speaker 6: So she's cool with that.

01:24:36
Speaker 5: And then she shares that tip with other women, which I think is super deeper amazing.

01:24:43
Speaker 6: No, she's just she's if she gets it.

01:24:46
Speaker 5: She's not bragging. But I paid full price for this stupid bag. I'm gonna say this, yeah, exactly.

01:24:52
Speaker 9: Oh, Symphy of money is long Riot long not to cell her business because she said publicly what thing we all know about off friends of her Cynthia would.

01:25:04
Speaker 1: Give you the close off her back, Yes she will. However, Cynthia is also frugal and baby. One thing about the Bailey honey, she.

01:25:12
Speaker 2: Knows how to save her money and she knows how to like not even be without her means because.

01:25:18
Speaker 1: Cynthia money is long. Hey Cynthia, But Cynthia does not live us all of her means.

01:25:23
Speaker 2: And the beautiful thing about that is this woman was a supermodel since she was sixteen years old and had access to all the designers.

01:25:33
Speaker 3: And a couple of things to remember, because y'all know, I'm very protective of Cynthia Bailey. That's my friend in real life, and I'm not gonna ain't it ain't happening connected to her name on my watch in no way. Right, Cynthia is not living like a pauper. Right, Cynthia has a beautiful home on a lake in Atlanta, gorgeous home. She drives a very nice vehicle, She has all the physical things that she wants, you know what I'm saying.

01:26:00
Speaker 4: She's just smart with her bread.

01:26:02
Speaker 3: So it's not like living within your means means that you have to slum it essentially, right, you can live and just work and increase what your means are and then you'll be living that way, you know what I'm saying. So I just I just think that her financial savvy has really led to her sustainability.

01:26:20
Speaker 4: That's why I sent your Ben Bailey. You know what I'm saying, It will always be Bailey. So that's it.

01:26:28
Speaker 2: Going going to the reunion, one of the topics of discussion was.

01:26:36
Speaker 1: Stacy.

01:26:37
Speaker 2: You know, they congratulated Stacy on being featured in Fanity Fair.

01:26:43
Speaker 1: Shout out to Stacy for that. In addition to that, it was a big conversation of whether or not.

01:26:48
Speaker 2: Stacy is performative because the other ladies think she is.

01:26:53
Speaker 1: The other ladies think.

01:26:54
Speaker 2: She lies, not lies, she fakes her her boys, that that's not who she is.

01:27:00
Speaker 1: Blue.

01:27:00
Speaker 2: Do you think these ladies are onto something that Stacy's performative or do you think these ladies are just jealous that Stacy is to break out star and they're trying to find something to dim her life.

01:27:11
Speaker 7: I think they're all performing. She's just better at it. So what's the problem If you tried and I succeeded, what's the problem? Well, he love, That's what I think. This is a Stacey stand account, so we're gonna keep it a buck. And I think Giselle's tone shift shows the group chat to say, we gotta lay off of Stacy before they all turn on us. Giselle made it clear in the way that her voice is changed towards Stacy that she's realizing that she's gonna lose the audience. Not too fucking sorry, not too much on Stacy. And also Tia. Honestly, TIA's fall from Grace for me has been stunning for me because I really was team Stacy and team Tia. And Tia keeps being concerned about things that have nothing to do with her because nothing has anything to do with her, and that's part of her problem. Give you some business? Why did you Samuel's penis, did you some business? You're not even involved? Damn miss anything.

01:28:08
Speaker 1: Friends, Claudia Dustin.

01:28:15
Speaker 5: How are you gonna complain about someone that's on an entertainment a TV show for your entertainment. That's being performative. That's what's keep on the show going. Yeah, she is. She is being performed performative and it probably comes off faith to them. It's probably annoying in real life, but you are doing a TV show. You know, give it work with someone that like kind of annoying, but they kind of eat at their job.

01:28:36
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

01:28:37
Speaker 5: We've all been a cast you're like, hey man, but those antics that are helping viewers come to the show and keeping money in my pocket, so maybe shut up. Yeah, I mean it seems like they probably don't hang with her in real life anyways, So let her be performative during the four months that y'all work together, get your money, and yeah, I blew.

01:28:55
Speaker 6: You're right.

01:28:55
Speaker 5: She's great at it an angel and some of the others t I like her too, can take them take a.

01:29:02
Speaker 6: Page from her from her notebook. Yeah, okay, because it's working. It's working.

01:29:08
Speaker 7: Take notes, stop taking jobs and take notes instead that part.

01:29:13
Speaker 6: Yeah, justin Do.

01:29:15
Speaker 2: You agree with Andy Cohen when he gave Stacy the morning that sometimes when the Housewives are gassed up by the fan, it goes to their head.

01:29:26
Speaker 1: Do you think Stacy has that faith?

01:29:30
Speaker 4: Yes?

01:29:31
Speaker 3: I do agree with what Andy said, And no, I don't think Stacey has that fate at all. Because Stacey is a Let's not forget that the Real Housewives, the cast members on those shows, they're television personalities right by by definition, her personality is what has moved her to the front of the line. She's got a great personality that once you understand it your first of when you encounter her on television in that space, you're intrigued.

01:29:58
Speaker 4: You're like, what is going on on here? What's she about? You want to know more? And once you see her more and you become more attracted to her personality, it just wins. I mean, you can't get mad at the woman for winning and doing well at her job. To me, if you're on that show, you would love to have a person like her be your cast member because that ensures that the show is going to be successful, and that's what you should want. You should want the show to be full of dynamic personalities that all on contribute to the pot continuing to boil on the stove. Okay, and so I don't know where this hating ass rhetoric came from. Is she fake? Is she not fake?

01:30:38
Speaker 3: Much like your girl, Johncelene said, Carlos, get with the winning team, hole, that's what you're doing, you know what I'm saying, And understand that what she's doing is good for that show and that that show sustaining is good for you.

01:30:52
Speaker 4: Stop hating. I'm trying to say her breath stinks.

01:30:54
Speaker 3: Stop trying to call her fake when really, when you want to talk about fake and its Tya is the one who literally in her confessional whatever episode that was when she went to see Arabella and Timo at the swim lesson for Arabella, right, Tia was talking about I'm Sherlock Holmes and all this other shit. So you went looking to be messy, and that's the difference. Stacey has just been being herself whatever you want to call it, and navigating the waters of them throwing things at her constantly, and she's winning at it. Don't hate on that. Get with the winning team. You see what Wendy did. Wendy said, she made that face. Angel said, she made.

01:31:39
Speaker 4: You get all that. I'm a roll with Stacy on this one.

01:31:44
Speaker 3: Stop hating and let people when people are good, that's good for what you're a part of. Stop be aspiring your own right, not at the expense of being better than somebody else. As soon as y'all let that competition shit go, y'all motherfuckers will go a lot further.

01:31:58
Speaker 5: So I see you go to the super Bowl and you're not the quarterback, but you got a good quarterback.

01:32:02
Speaker 6: You should be happy because you get a ring too.

01:32:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, quarterback, the team is more than one player on the team. The team needs everybody, not just a quarterback. So like or or or else, you know what, training to be a motherfucking quarterback, and go for that position when you join the damn team if that's what you want. But don't hate on the quarterback because they get it to what they do.

01:32:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's funny because listen, I like Tea on the show. I will say.

01:32:29
Speaker 4: I don't say that. I appreciate.

01:32:33
Speaker 3: Her family is beautiful and I love hearing her talk. I love her accent, but boring brought nothing to the show to me, I didn't see no connection really to the other ladies.

01:32:45
Speaker 4: A bunch of ass.

01:32:51
Speaker 1: I think.

01:32:52
Speaker 2: I think Tea started off good, but it went down here down hill.

01:32:57
Speaker 1: Excuse me and listen. I'm with Stacey.

01:33:00
Speaker 2: Stacey said that Tia clocked in and gather information to take it back to her master, being Gizelle.

01:33:09
Speaker 1: The Stacey ate Tia up.

01:33:11
Speaker 2: Hey, listen, Stacy, I'm not gonna say the word master, but listen, she definitely reports back to her boss which is which is Gazelle and Stacey clocked it, and I think Tia Tia lost me because I think this watching the show, I think I think Tia was trying to get to chummy with Gazelle and she didn't clock her for that.

01:33:37
Speaker 1: And that's why I.

01:33:37
Speaker 2: Did enjoy when Wendy and Angel had their back and forth, because Wendy addressed things that we saw with Angel, like Gizelle called you cafish, But.

01:33:47
Speaker 1: When when when when Wendy said you.

01:33:51
Speaker 2: Did not go after Gizelle because you wanted her to be your big sister, and Angel did not deny it.

01:33:58
Speaker 6: But we did down play because then they played.

01:34:01
Speaker 5: The clip back when Ashley brought the cat fish, she put a lot of extra on it.

01:34:05
Speaker 6: Uh As brought the catfish.

01:34:08
Speaker 4: Yeah, different, I did that, I get.

01:34:15
Speaker 5: But let's iact like she didn't put a little salt, little salt on it as well, That's what.

01:34:18
Speaker 1: I'm She's got to put salt on it. But I think the problem was, you.

01:34:23
Speaker 2: Know, listen, we all was confused why Angel has so much smoke from Winded not Giselle, And listen, we can I've said this before.

01:34:30
Speaker 1: Everyone sees it.

01:34:31
Speaker 2: A lot of these girls want to be Grazil's friend. It is what it is, and that's fine. Speaking of Angel and Angel's president, she did say that they purchased a home in Potomac. Ashley tried to ask a question, and Angel told Ashley if she lived in Potomac area.

01:34:52
Speaker 1: She would know, which I thought, No, Blue, that give me a an thump.

01:35:01
Speaker 7: Didn't you just get evicted from Airbnb and Potomac? How quickly we forget somebody who got evicted from Potomac?

01:35:11
Speaker 4: She did not get evicted.

01:35:13
Speaker 7: Sorry, who was displaced in Potomac?

01:35:20
Speaker 6: Wait, that sounds like a hurricane victim displaced?

01:35:22
Speaker 7: She was displaced twenty four hours to evacuate. Shout out to Mia. So I'm just saying, maybe just read the room a little bit, friend, that you just got into the club, you just got in here. I'm not an Ashley apologis, you know, I don't. I don't go for Ashley, but y'all gonna make me say something nice about that lady. I just think that Angel, much like Tiya, will just go to whoever she thinks it's the weakest link. Tia misidentified Stacy's the weakest link and ended up tussling with America's fame awkward, huh, learn from that. I think now that she realizes that she can't do anything to Weddy because the forest whit of car eye that she keeps doing and thinking it's gonna we're gonna laugh, We're not laughing. We didn't laugh into James L. Jones like, it's still not funny, friends. And I like that Wendy said there's more to that because there are some racial undertones in that that are impossible to ignore. I like that Wendy so showed her a little bit of grace by saying, this is more to that, but thank you for acknowledging it and apologizing.

01:36:17
Speaker 1: Right.

01:36:18
Speaker 7: I do think that she's now recognizing that Ashley is lower on the totem pole, and so it actually has now become the new victim. There's something weak, sauce that you have smoke for whoever you think is below you. There's something weak about that. Universally to me, she hasn't learned her lesson actually is the new victim.

01:36:32
Speaker 5: Now, and that Forrest Whittaker reed was so weak because that his eye don't do that, his eyes don't go.

01:36:40
Speaker 6: One is open and one is half mad.

01:36:43
Speaker 7: Oh Claudia, I'm not sure.

01:36:44
Speaker 6: Oh it's true.

01:36:46
Speaker 5: One eyes like sleepy and they're like, Wendy, don't make that face like it wasn't even a good read.

01:36:50
Speaker 6: It wasn't. I like accuracy in reading. It should be like that.

01:36:54
Speaker 1: Didn't listen, I will talk. I won't give this Qualitia love a read that has a truth.

01:37:01
Speaker 7: James ol Jones was very accurate, because now I can't see it.

01:37:04
Speaker 6: Right, because that was that was fun shape.

01:37:07
Speaker 2: The thing about the Jake Jones for to be, I thought it was fun Housewives shade on both ends. I just thought, like like the I thought it was fun.

01:37:19
Speaker 1: I thought it was funny. I thought they both gave a little.

01:37:21
Speaker 6: Dig said with a straight I like how when he delivered it.

01:37:25
Speaker 5: She goes, Now, if I like when people do this kind of shame, Yeah, well, if.

01:37:30
Speaker 6: I was to call you, James L. Jones, you just did.

01:37:34
Speaker 7: You just did.

01:37:36
Speaker 6: I like that kind of shade though.

01:37:37
Speaker 1: I like that.

01:37:37
Speaker 6: It's like, you know, I'm playing in your face on purpose. Right now?

01:37:41
Speaker 7: Do we think that Gazelle has now a newfound respect for because the one thing I would give Gazelle and I don't give her much, is that Gazelle respects the craft of being a provocateur for the sake of content. Do you think that now that Gazelle has panned back from her minions to see how well Stacy's being received, that she'll extend the wobbly olive brands to Stacy that she extended to Wendy, that she'll be like, Oh, I'm gonna stop picking on you because you've earned your stripes. Do we think that's gonna happen next season?

01:38:13
Speaker 6: Mm hmm, because it feels.

01:38:15
Speaker 7: Like if the audience likes somebody, she suddenly leaves them alone.

01:38:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the playbooks.

01:38:20
Speaker 3: It's been the same repetitive playbook with everybody that's come on to the show, just like how she's friendly with Monique now after they went through some really tough times on the show, because Gizelle knows that she has to do and do that in order for the cast to make sense and be cohesive. It just doesn't end well when you refuse to fill with people and all that other shit. So of course she don't go along to get along as she should. That means she's being good at her job.

01:38:46
Speaker 2: That's a house and I took that as what you guys were saying earlier being the quarterback.

01:38:50
Speaker 1: I think Gazelle bath on what I've seen.

01:38:53
Speaker 2: I think Gazelle wants every girl to earn their flute, and I think she sees Stacy as a formidable opponent and somebody who deserves to be on the stage.

01:39:05
Speaker 1: I do see that.

01:39:08
Speaker 2: One thing I wanted to ask you guys about if you guys saw this, A lot of people on social media were questioning Gizelle and Wendy.

01:39:15
Speaker 1: Gizelle's comment towards Wendy.

01:39:17
Speaker 2: You know, the questioning of the of the arrest, talking about her wig being bad. Did you guys feel that that Gizelle was being messy or inappropriate for the sort of like statement she was making towards Wendy as Wendy was talking about the arrest.

01:39:38
Speaker 5: It's kind of been like how she's been doing the whole season, like she's just she's supposed.

01:39:41
Speaker 6: To stir it up. She liked. I guess she felt she was lighting the mood.

01:39:44
Speaker 5: Yes, it was shady talking about her wig, but it's again, it's a reality show reunion, So I think she's doing what she's paid for.

01:39:52
Speaker 6: She's doing she's paid She's not Gazelle's.

01:39:54
Speaker 5: Not gonna sit there and let a moment go by what she can get one in and just be.

01:39:58
Speaker 6: Like, oh, it must have been tough for you. She's gonna be like, let's talk about that wig was the wig?

01:40:04
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what.

01:40:05
Speaker 6: She's paid to do.

01:40:06
Speaker 5: I think, you know, I don't think it's deeper than that. I think that's what she's just pay to do. She she's gotten really good at it too. She's gotten really she's not letting a mama go bye because she I feel like more than anyone, she's like, you know, she's the stakes of high. She wants to keep the show going. I would if I want to show where I you know, I'm the.

01:40:23
Speaker 7: Star of the lead.

01:40:23
Speaker 5: Whatever I want to by all means necessary, any means that's say we're keeping the show going. If I gotta be shaded to you in a vulnerable moment because it's making us talk about it, was.

01:40:34
Speaker 7: It shady to ask about who sold the house to two old girl to Angel? Like they felt like shade towards Tia when they were like, so, Angel, who did TA sell you the house? And Ta's like, I didn't come here to the houses, Georgia.

01:40:49
Speaker 5: I thought that was a great question because you acting all tight like y'all buddy, buddy, you couldn't even throw your girl a commission in an area that she's an expert in and you went to someone else.

01:40:57
Speaker 6: I would have thought that.

01:40:58
Speaker 5: Was a great question, like, oh, y'all newfound bestie's now, but you didn't even use her as a realtor.

01:41:04
Speaker 6: Yes, I like that. I love that, quay, I liked that.

01:41:06
Speaker 7: That's felt like the real shape to me, like who, so, who sold you the house? Angel?

01:41:10
Speaker 5: And then she just went to quickly apologize for her like to make excuses.

01:41:14
Speaker 6: Well, I didn't come in for friends. I mean, I didn't come in for that. I came in for friends. I'll be mad if you all know I'm the realtor in the circle and you use anyone but me.

01:41:25
Speaker 1: Xpactly when I said about her house in Colorado.

01:41:29
Speaker 6: Yeah exactly.

01:41:30
Speaker 7: I wonder what Bobby thought.

01:41:32
Speaker 2: So at the end of the reunion is when Wendy and Ashley had their spat, Andy read a question from a viewer talking about Ashley was messy this season, talking about how she even commented on Wingne's arrest. Wendy said that Ashley has this personal vendetta against her, but she didn't go to too many details on it. And then Wendy made a dig saying that Ashley hasn't accomplished anything in life, and then Ashley retorted, but at least I have one social Security number now.

01:42:12
Speaker 1: Look.

01:42:13
Speaker 2: As a fan of reality television and a fan of the girl's going at it, I thought that was.

01:42:19
Speaker 1: An amazing way of ending department reunion. I thought she got a good one in.

01:42:24
Speaker 2: I talked about it the weekend, dusted the dragted for on Twitter. I'm like it, listen, actually got one good one in and I thought that was a good read.

01:42:34
Speaker 1: Towards the end, dust it, do you agree to agree?

01:42:40
Speaker 4: His face, he's like, I think it was definitive.

01:42:44
Speaker 3: I felt like he drew a line in the sand between her and Wendy because now you're insulting me based on my court case shit that you know is really really fucked up for me right now, you know what I'm saying, And that's a low blow essentially, which I'm not mad at. Take them take the low blows as the housewives and y'all don't have to be friends nor get along, so I'm fine with it, but I just don't again, you know, I'm pretty quick on my feet, and I just saw a window of opportunity. As soon as she said she only had one social Security number, there was a play. There was a way to call back to that. I'll just put it like.

01:43:18
Speaker 7: That, what was it? I want to hear it.

01:43:20
Speaker 4: Figured it out on your own, out giving it away for free. Figure it out on your own.

01:43:27
Speaker 3: Y'all want to pay me to come help y'all, I will, But other than that, I'm keeping it to myself.

01:43:31
Speaker 4: But just no, I'll text you later, Blue, But just.

01:43:34
Speaker 3: No, there's a way that you could have easily packed actually up so quick right there.

01:43:41
Speaker 4: So then she brought up that social Security number and.

01:43:43
Speaker 3: I was like, damn, when y'all even trying, y'all just letting them fly right by missing all this ship that's literally being thrown right into your palm.

01:43:51
Speaker 7: So whatever, she confirmed Wendy's suspicions to me. I think when Wendy says, I've heard that you had a vendetta against me, and Ashley says, I don't have a vendetta. I just don't throw my accomplishments in people's faces. And when they said, but you ain't got no accomplishments to throw nobody's face. Oh, I sat up. I was like, we could me stopching? So I'm thinking, oh, this is a nice little spar let's see what happens, right, And then Ashley said, well I only have security number. I said, well, that was good, that was cute for you, And also you just proved her point that, unlike Giselle, who's at least trying to feign a little bit of friendship or care, you sincerely feel a way about this lady and her husband and.

01:44:35
Speaker 1: Their eight degrees baby.

01:44:37
Speaker 7: Did the whole montage showing Ashley's hate in pictures right shout out to the producers. So I do think that Ashley feels a way about the fact that she is disappearing into the frame, like she actually is becoming a ghost in the machine.

01:44:50
Speaker 4: I don't think so, you think so.

01:44:53
Speaker 7: I think that Ashley is used to being an a character, and she's been a b character for a couple of years now because Michael Darby is the best and worst thing that ever happened to her, and now that he's off somewhere allegedly grabbing things consensually, she doesn't have as much of.

01:45:06
Speaker 1: A I actually agree I think, listen, this is it.

01:45:12
Speaker 2: I think Ashley is a necessary evil and no I'm not calling her evil.

01:45:16
Speaker 1: I think I the challenge with Ashley is this.

01:45:21
Speaker 2: I think Ashley started off the show with Michael Darby and Gables great content.

01:45:27
Speaker 1: She when when.

01:45:29
Speaker 2: Robin Dixon checked her at her Australian restaurant and Ashley put t as took it and barked back. I do think for the past I would say two to three seasons, Ashley definitely has fallen to the wayside. And I think it's because Ashley has nothing else to do but to be messy. And that's why when Candace hat Traders, when Candace said you brought your ass here, I think she said post part of Richard leaked breast to deliver a nasty rumor about Eddie to Wendy, and then you went back home. I think Ashley knew she had to be a part of the mess to keep herself alive on the show. But I will say this for them to celebrate their ten seasons, I definitely think Ashley isn't who she started out with the show to be m I think something very strong, but I think Stacy so big Wendy's you know.

01:46:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, to be fair, they're not gonna be nasty though, like Ashley will. And so there is something to be said for her contributing that villain role, you know what I'm saying to the show, And if she leans into that, maybe there's some some sustainability there for her. Just be the full villain. Fuck it, live in your villain era, you know what I'm saying. Maybe that's what she should do because no one else is really playing that role on the show. Nobody's just like a sharp, edgy villain. So maybe she can do that.

01:47:04
Speaker 4: I think I think she's.

01:47:06
Speaker 6: Good for it.

01:47:07
Speaker 5: I mean, she's a little shit starter again, we can they cannot be calm then Cynthia Bailey's on the show, right, you gotta have the firecrackers, the people that people are annoyed with. Makes a good cast. They don't have to all be likable people. I think she's necessary for the show for what she does.

01:47:23
Speaker 6: She's stirring the park.

01:47:24
Speaker 5: And you gotta have some some ridiculousness on the show, you know, or doing like it's something for us to talk about what you really was really making out with a friend's son what like in real life? I don't want that my real life, but I definitely want that in my reality shows that I watch I do, and she she I think she ate with that comment, And it wasn't just like you know, listen if someone diminishing your entire existence and saying you've accomplished nothing that deserves a personal clap back. I'm not mad at I think I'm looking forward to part too next week.

01:47:57
Speaker 6: I want to see what I.

01:47:58
Speaker 7: Will let Angel talk next week week, because what was that about?

01:48:02
Speaker 4: Angel wasn't talking about Ship.

01:48:04
Speaker 7: But Kate asked, like she's still chin checking her, like the chin checking has not left the room. Why did you chin chucking.

01:48:13
Speaker 5: Like that?

01:48:14
Speaker 3: When she said what is this? I don't think she was telling Angel to shut up? I think she was talking to Angel like why does she keep? Why is she she? That was that was she was talking to Angel as a friend at that moment, like what is this? Like why is she still talking type ship? That was her speaking to her like that, not saying.

01:48:32
Speaker 4: What is this?

01:48:33
Speaker 3: Why are you talking over me? You hear me trying to talk. That was her being like, girl, look at her, what is this?

01:48:37
Speaker 7: But when Mandy said, let your friend answer my question, we're actually having a good moment of clarity. Yeah, she said, but I'm talking though, and Angel said, yes, her talk.

01:48:46
Speaker 3: Because director at Wendy that wasn't directed towards Angel and answer. That's why Angel was like, no, are you right, I'm gonna go in this finish after she finished saying what she has to say. That wasn't Keana being nasty with Keana already has RBF. You know what I'm saying, So she looks meaner than she is, which is but she was talking to Angel like in the spirit of caaraderie, not telling her to shut up and let me talk.

01:49:12
Speaker 4: Like two people took it.

01:49:14
Speaker 3: It's easy to misinterpret it because there was a lot going on and everybody was talking at the same time. But I watched it multiple times. She was not telling Angel to be quiet.

01:49:24
Speaker 4: She was talking about tearing that.

01:49:26
Speaker 7: Up because at the moment I was just like, why why does your RBF? Why is it so sharp? Angel? And plus Angel plays victim. So when you have somebody who talks like Ike Turner and somebody who asks like Pikachu, it immediately makes things for weird.

01:49:39
Speaker 4: Paints a picture. It paints a picture immediately.

01:49:45
Speaker 2: I won't say this I enjoyed the reu Yeah, I'm looking forward to two more parts. But listen, I thought it was a great comeback for Ashlete personally, think.

01:49:58
Speaker 1: The Only Tide.

01:50:01
Speaker 4: I thought it was too Don't make no mistake.

01:50:03
Speaker 3: I thought it was a perfect clad back from from I just would have tore our ass up after that if it was me.

01:50:10
Speaker 6: That's me cover from a gag. A gagging is what Wendy told us.

01:50:15
Speaker 5: Basically, your life ancient to be able to be like have something after that is that's that's that's good.

01:50:21
Speaker 6: It's good work. But now we're going to see next week we're winning.

01:50:23
Speaker 2: You should you should dodge read you and Justin because he does replaces over four times.

01:50:33
Speaker 7: Yeah read that.

01:50:36
Speaker 5: Only we knew a producer that could produce that shows like I don't know if I if I knew someone that maybe could put that together.

01:50:43
Speaker 4: Jnybody looking right now game.

01:50:47
Speaker 6: If only we knew one of the top producers, he said, you're looking at the nigga right now.

01:50:51
Speaker 7: Damn, we would trying to be subtle everything they're talking about big.

01:51:02
Speaker 1: I love you guys, leave you alone anyway.

01:51:06
Speaker 6: Carlos is mona h Scott right move got young then.

01:51:17
Speaker 1: You and your husband check your emails. Okay, so ray job. Let us know who you think did the best job after reunion.

01:51:25
Speaker 2: All right, Rain John's love you all. Will see you guys on next Monday.

01:51:29
Speaker 6: Bye bye bye.

01:51:36
Speaker 2: Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King, produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership.

01:51:44
Speaker 1: With the Lack Effect Network.

01:51:46
Speaker 2: You can also find us on my YouTube channel at the Carlos King Underscore