Sony Has Ideas for the PlayStation 6

<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, Welcome to Game Mess Mornings with Me Jeff Greb,
<v Speaker 1>your host from GiantBomb dot com.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for tuning in.
<v Speaker 1>In this episode, we're gonna be talking about the PlayStation
<v Speaker 1>six because I guess it's time to start doing that.
<v Speaker 1>And does Konami have another secret game in the works.
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be a good one because we have Jesse
<v Speaker 1>Norris on the show. Jesse, how are you doing.
<v Speaker 3>I'm good. I somehow avoided the jet lag. I mean
<v Speaker 3>it's only the three hours I know for sure. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>my co worker John's got the eight and he is
<v Speaker 3>he is.
<v Speaker 2>Uh, I didn't I saw you a bunch. I didn't
<v Speaker 2>see John at all.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, when when when I saw you, he was in
<v Speaker 3>the the Xbox stuff all day.
<v Speaker 1>So he wasn't that he was in a different place
<v Speaker 1>and Mike was doing that for us and so we're.
<v Speaker 2>Like, we don't need to get over there.
<v Speaker 3>Begged our way in and got to see a couple
<v Speaker 3>of things, not all of it. So he was there
<v Speaker 3>for that.
<v Speaker 2>Sounds like it went away for a lot of people.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I am hoping that the ibuprofen holds up.
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm getting I think I'm getting sick.
<v Speaker 1>A little bit of a soreness in the throat has
<v Speaker 1>been just getting worse over the past couple of days.
<v Speaker 1>A little bit of a thing in the ears. Maybe
<v Speaker 1>a great time I had.
<v Speaker 3>I had to travel prl in my pocket the entire time,
<v Speaker 3>every time I touched any anything at all. I looked
<v Speaker 3>like a maniac. But it worked. I feel fun.
<v Speaker 2>Gotta do what you gotta do. Yeah, yeah, so I'm
<v Speaker 2>holding up well enough.
<v Speaker 1>Ready for the weekend though, ready for a day where
<v Speaker 1>I could just really really sleep in catch up on
<v Speaker 1>some stuff. But yeah, it was great to see you
<v Speaker 1>with the same night. Yeah right, see six feet exactly
<v Speaker 1>with productive SGF.
<v Speaker 2>Felt like you got a lot done.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I still have to. Like, we've written up a ton.
<v Speaker 3>I wrote up Capcom and then Microsoft Start decided to
<v Speaker 3>publish it way early, which really sucked. I got to
<v Speaker 3>delete it, but not before you probably saw a ton
<v Speaker 3>of people covering it, which really blue because it didn't
<v Speaker 3>actually like publish on our site. It's just published there.
<v Speaker 3>And then I had to go in and delete that.
<v Speaker 3>But I don't know. It throt me crazy. But capcom
<v Speaker 3>stuff look real good. Only mush looks amazing. Pragmat is
<v Speaker 3>not only real, but was very fun in the twenty
<v Speaker 3>minutes we got to play. Yeahh like, it's just really
<v Speaker 3>it's interesting that whole you aim little android lady on
<v Speaker 3>your back, then hacks with the little grid and you're
<v Speaker 3>just figuring that out with the mix of their guns.
<v Speaker 3>It was really cool.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it kept me on my toes. I was I
<v Speaker 2>was engaged.
<v Speaker 1>I'll say, you know, like you said twenty minutes, I
<v Speaker 1>think that demo ended right when it was about to
<v Speaker 1>really get interesting with a loss fight and they take
<v Speaker 1>the controller away. I was kind of like poking and
<v Speaker 1>prodding around that world a little bit, just kind of
<v Speaker 1>seeing what else I could do.
<v Speaker 2>It was kind of like, okay, they want me to
<v Speaker 2>go there, let me look around here.
<v Speaker 1>It's say, okay, now it's it's gonna be a game
<v Speaker 1>where it's like, no, just go to the place they
<v Speaker 1>want you to go and do the fighting. And then
<v Speaker 1>once you're in that combat, it's like, Okay, this is
<v Speaker 1>where it's bread is buttered.
<v Speaker 2>And Yeah. I wonder if they can keep that interesting.
<v Speaker 1>I imagine the simplicity of that hacking mini game actually
<v Speaker 1>is going to make it so they can probably introduce
<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun ideas into that really tiny little
<v Speaker 1>changes that you will get again keep you on your toes.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, there was those little pickups, got like defensive
<v Speaker 3>stuff and I think the most Jeff Grub game I
<v Speaker 3>saw though was Crimson Desert.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't get a shit to check this out.
<v Speaker 1>You're not the only one to tell me that people
<v Speaker 1>were into Crimson Desert, which was that on again.
<v Speaker 3>So it's a perlibis Korean publisher or developer, and I
<v Speaker 3>think the're publishing it's their own engine. Looks amazing, runs
<v Speaker 3>real well. It's a huge RPG that's focused on almost
<v Speaker 3>being half of a fighting game, because you can combo
<v Speaker 3>everything you can do together, like you can do this
<v Speaker 3>big green fist and throw yourself up in the air
<v Speaker 3>and then dive kick and then fist back up in
<v Speaker 3>the air. And it's all physics based and like chemistry based,
<v Speaker 3>so like when you got an arrow and you put
<v Speaker 3>it on fire and then you have stuff like it's
<v Speaker 3>it's I just immediately thought of you with how heavy
<v Speaker 3>everything was on physics and just creating your own crazy
<v Speaker 3>interactivity as they just give you all these system them
<v Speaker 3>since say hey go for it, non.
<v Speaker 1>Sit yep, that that sounds like my jam right there.
<v Speaker 1>All right, Yeah, well I'll try to track that down.
<v Speaker 2>Any idea. Is it out soon? Yeah? I feel okay, right, fantastic,
<v Speaker 2>I'll check that out. All right.
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<v Speaker 1>morning mess with PlayStation six. Sony says future platform is
<v Speaker 1>top of mind exploring new and enhanced ways to play.
<v Speaker 1>This comes from Andy Robinson at VGC. Sony Interactive Entertainment's
<v Speaker 1>new president and CEO, Hideaki Nishino was asked during a
<v Speaker 1>business segment meeting about the future of PlayStation console hardware
<v Speaker 1>and whether it could be superseded by cloud gaming. Nishio
<v Speaker 1>emphasized that the PlayStation now has multiple generations of experience
<v Speaker 1>providing players with cloud based gameplay, and stated that while
<v Speaker 1>he views it as a viable option for players, he
<v Speaker 1>believes overall demand remains for the local execution of games.
<v Speaker 2>Here's a quote from him.
<v Speaker 1>Cloud streaming is progressing well from a technical standpoint, as
<v Speaker 1>we have demonstrated with our offerings, but end to end
<v Speaker 1>network stability is not in our control, Nishino said, and
<v Speaker 1>the higher cost per playtime compared to traditional console model
<v Speaker 1>remains a challenge. Cloud gaming is increasingly providing an additional
<v Speaker 1>option for players to access content, but our belief is
<v Speaker 1>that the majority of players continue to want to experience
<v Speaker 1>gaming through local execution without dependency on network conditions, and
<v Speaker 1>PS five and PS five pro have validated.
<v Speaker 2>This thesis, I believe.
<v Speaker 1>The CEO went on to reference how Sony's console business
<v Speaker 1>has evolved into a multifaceted platform, with a significant portion
<v Speaker 1>of its one hundred and twenty four million monthly active
<v Speaker 1>users still playing on PlayStation four.
<v Speaker 2>We'll get into that in a little bit. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean he's asked about the cloud, asked about
<v Speaker 1>the future. Sounds like he's saying, yeah, definitely, but we're
<v Speaker 1>not gonna, like not do cloud gaming. We're gonna make
<v Speaker 1>a PS six we're doing here, and that's like, I mean,
<v Speaker 1>that's not surprising to me in the least. I don't
<v Speaker 1>think it's surprising to anybody right now.
<v Speaker 3>A lot of this, like the it was pr talk
<v Speaker 3>is being so good at saying nothing committal or nothing new,
<v Speaker 3>and a lot of this is just the most basic
<v Speaker 3>stuff in a lot of words to make it sound
<v Speaker 3>like you're really saying and committing to things, and people
<v Speaker 3>will buy into that. It works, that's why.
<v Speaker 2>They do it.
<v Speaker 3>But like we've they've talked about it before. We saw
<v Speaker 3>it with the the FTC case with Xbox and Sarah
<v Speaker 3>Bahd saying we lose money every time someone plays Fortnite
<v Speaker 3>on the cloud because you know they're paying for all
<v Speaker 3>of that energy to do it. So unless you're in
<v Speaker 3>there just buying every goddamn chun leaskin, they're not making
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of money. And we the PS five cloud
<v Speaker 3>is good, but it's a lot more limited because obviously
<v Speaker 3>they're they're having to take their scs and stuff and
<v Speaker 3>throw them into the cloud. We've seen how much that's
<v Speaker 3>affected a stock across Xbox and PlayStation is not interested
<v Speaker 3>in being that ways and it's not going to change
<v Speaker 3>with a PS six. They want to sell their hardware
<v Speaker 3>first for anything else and then everything else is just
<v Speaker 3>kind of a monus. So they were never going to
<v Speaker 3>be the type to move quickly away from their own
<v Speaker 3>hardware because they are the default third party platform. Like
<v Speaker 3>it's just what people are used to globally for the
<v Speaker 3>most part outside of Japan, which is switch.
<v Speaker 2>Uh.
<v Speaker 1>You know, Andy here references the the FTC documents that
<v Speaker 1>some league some were just you know public in other ways,
<v Speaker 1>and you know, as part of that there's a little
<v Speaker 1>bit of research, a little bit of like Sony giving
<v Speaker 1>some of its information up because it was like, you know,
<v Speaker 1>not suing. But however they would phrase that for being
<v Speaker 1>part of the FTC trials, and it's at that time,
<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh, PlayStation six by twenty twenty eight, does
<v Speaker 1>that still sound right to you?
<v Speaker 2>I think twenty twenty.
<v Speaker 1>Eight is probably right, but not you know, obviously not
<v Speaker 1>till the very end of twenty twenty eight at the earliest. Right,
<v Speaker 1>there's no way it's going to be earlier than that.
<v Speaker 3>Like they're pretty much always seven seven to eight. So
<v Speaker 3>what you would think the difference this time will be
<v Speaker 3>U handhelds because there's been tons of leaks that Sony's
<v Speaker 3>working on two scs at Microsoft's doing all of this.
<v Speaker 3>Whatever they end up doing, probably mostly third parties and
<v Speaker 3>having maybe their own reference hardware for next gen timing
<v Speaker 3>is going to be weird, and I don't think it's
<v Speaker 3>gonna be the they both go at the same time
<v Speaker 3>type of situation. Again, I do think it's going to
<v Speaker 3>be a little more spread out and become that more
<v Speaker 3>multiple things during a generation to take advantage of uplift.
<v Speaker 3>Maybe not so much with PlayStation, but if they end
<v Speaker 3>up doing that handheld and it's like a PS four
<v Speaker 3>native that can stream PS five games, it can stream
<v Speaker 3>PS six games, and maybe weaker PS six games it
<v Speaker 3>could run type of deal. Because they also said as
<v Speaker 3>part of this like only had they're finally half PS
<v Speaker 3>five or more than half user based PS five compared
<v Speaker 3>to PS four, but that they're just barely so they're
<v Speaker 3>gonna keep supporting the PS four for a long time,
<v Speaker 3>like a lot most indie games can still run on it,
<v Speaker 3>no problem. How long is that going to go? Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>this whole these generations just don't work the same anymore
<v Speaker 3>because everything's just a PC that can essentially have backwards
<v Speaker 3>compatibility as long as AMD figures it out for him.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, let's let's do that real quick.
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about this next story, Sony confirms PS five
<v Speaker 1>has more monthly players than PS four for the first time.
<v Speaker 1>This is from Chris Scolling a VGC all good, No,
<v Speaker 1>it's all part of the same story.
<v Speaker 2>Really.
<v Speaker 1>Sony has noted for the first time that more players
<v Speaker 1>are using PS five each month than the PS four.
<v Speaker 1>It's twenty twenty five. These things did come out in
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty. This is the first time PS five has
<v Speaker 1>more users than the PS four. During Sony's YEP, that's
<v Speaker 1>a very different world than we used to have. During
<v Speaker 1>Sony's Business segment meeting in May twenty twenty four, Sony
<v Speaker 1>Interactive Entertainment shared an update on the PlayStation business. This
<v Speaker 1>included a slide which showed the number of monthly active
<v Speaker 1>users on PS four and PS five was around forty
<v Speaker 1>nine million each, making it a.
<v Speaker 2>Solid fifty to fifty split.
<v Speaker 1>The company has now held a similar meeting this year,
<v Speaker 1>with SIE providing similar presentation with updated slide. Now, the
<v Speaker 1>same slide no longer shows the exact same numbers, but
<v Speaker 1>clearly shows PS five taking a larger share than PS four,
<v Speaker 1>not much more, but larger. It also noted that combined,
<v Speaker 1>there are a total of one hundred twenty four million
<v Speaker 1>monthly active users compared to a figure of ninety seven
<v Speaker 1>million and last year's report. So that's pretty impressive. But
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if there's other ways that they're getting monthly activities.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, lots of PC that's right.
<v Speaker 1>All right, So you know, like Zaki Zaki and Chat
<v Speaker 1>points out it's like, hey, like, of course twenty twenty eight.
<v Speaker 2>These things came out in twenty twenty.
<v Speaker 1>And while it's like, obviously just linear time works in
<v Speaker 1>one way and yeah it's been that's seven to eight years,
<v Speaker 1>and that's how stuff has traditionally worked. I think these
<v Speaker 1>companies are at a position like, you know, we gave
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of reasons just a second ago of why
<v Speaker 1>this is a little bit different. The PS four is
<v Speaker 1>still a viable console for a huge portion of the audience.
<v Speaker 1>The PS five pro came out not that long ago
<v Speaker 1>and really kind of still feels like it's justifying itself,
<v Speaker 1>let alone the PS five feeling like that generation's only
<v Speaker 1>just got started in the eyes of many people who
<v Speaker 1>bought that thing on day one. So I just don't
<v Speaker 1>think they're looking at it like, well, it's been seven
<v Speaker 1>to eight years, so it's time to do the next thing.
<v Speaker 1>I think they're looking at the reality on the ground
<v Speaker 1>as it is in this moment, and that that could
<v Speaker 1>easily cause them to shift things from twenty twenty eight
<v Speaker 1>to as far as twenty thirty. In my opinion, this
<v Speaker 1>could be a ten year like a real ten year generation,
<v Speaker 1>where like the PS six doesn't feel necessary until that point.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess this.
<v Speaker 1>Is a vibes based question, Jesse, but like, I don't
<v Speaker 1>feel like there's been a series of games like one
<v Speaker 1>after the other where it's like, yes, now the PS
<v Speaker 1>five and the Xbox Series X have felt like we
<v Speaker 1>needed those consoles to get these games.
<v Speaker 2>I just it hasn't gotten to that point for me yet.
<v Speaker 2>What do you think.
<v Speaker 3>There's there have been. It's been my favorite Generation four
<v Speaker 3>games ever, but the games have it's a great way
<v Speaker 3>to play games. Yeah, they haven't felt tied to the generation.
<v Speaker 3>And the biggest factor is if you go backwards as
<v Speaker 3>loading times, like we got away from everything being one
<v Speaker 3>to three minutes to load, and it really hurts to
<v Speaker 3>go back, but that's a really difficult thing to market.
<v Speaker 3>And so it has felt like even Call of Duty
<v Speaker 3>is still coming out this year with that great and
<v Speaker 3>disappointingly good trailer. It's still coming out on this on
<v Speaker 3>Xbox One and PS four this year. There's just too
<v Speaker 3>many people there for them not to. Supposedly next year
<v Speaker 3>is finally the one where they're going to move away
<v Speaker 3>from it. But if that big of a game and
<v Speaker 3>that performance of a game is still jumping on those
<v Speaker 3>systems and running it, you know, forty five fps, it's
<v Speaker 3>because they just they don't want to give it up.
<v Speaker 3>And I don't see them giving up all their PS
<v Speaker 3>five sales or even all those series like they saw.
<v Speaker 3>Twenty thirty million consoles is a lot, because like as
<v Speaker 3>much as we all love the Steam Deck, it's like,
<v Speaker 3>what four you maybe going to five for just the game? Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it's really good, but then you got to remember just
<v Speaker 3>how many consoles are out there. And once Sony's got
<v Speaker 3>seventy eighty million PS fives and they're about to do,
<v Speaker 3>you know, a couple of years later, a PS six,
<v Speaker 3>they're not going to drop PS five support for a
<v Speaker 3>long time anyways. So for most people who are on
<v Speaker 3>those things, like it just looks and runs better, but
<v Speaker 3>it's gonna be mostly the same stuff again for a
<v Speaker 3>long time. So it is that incremental. While I don't
<v Speaker 3>need the iPad Air twenty twenty four, I've already got
<v Speaker 3>an iPad Air twenty twenty two. I'm fine type of
<v Speaker 3>mindset that people are going to have, especially with how
<v Speaker 3>expensive everything.
<v Speaker 1>Is, right, and it's it's almost like, yeah, the PS
<v Speaker 1>five will be, you know, more than just viable. It
<v Speaker 1>will be the way most people are just gonna want
<v Speaker 1>to play because you're right, it's going to be expensive
<v Speaker 1>to upgrade. And then that just begs a question of
<v Speaker 1>how does a company like Sony position a PlayStation six
<v Speaker 1>to make it feel you know, necessary, to make it
<v Speaker 1>feel like to give to create a sense of urgency,
<v Speaker 1>to do a little bit of a forced obsolescence. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>here's what you give from the PS six you can't
<v Speaker 1>give from the PS five. It's like, well, do we
<v Speaker 1>want people to feel that way? We kind of want
<v Speaker 1>people And now they tried that with the PS five
<v Speaker 1>versus PS four, and people still regardless stuff with their
<v Speaker 1>PS four. So they'll probably feel pretty comfortable being like,
<v Speaker 1>here's the stuff that makes six different. But if because
<v Speaker 1>we know many of you are not going to care
<v Speaker 1>about that, and you're just gonna keep using your PS
<v Speaker 1>five because you like money more than then you care
<v Speaker 1>about fomo.
<v Speaker 2>It's like, yeah, that that's completely fair.
<v Speaker 1>But it's like, this is a company that's still going
<v Speaker 1>to have to find a way to make a console,
<v Speaker 1>make a new console feel necessary, and there's just no
<v Speaker 1>there was no obvious way to do that with the
<v Speaker 1>PS five, let alone the PS five Pro, and then
<v Speaker 1>really let alone, a PS six eight K is just
<v Speaker 1>not ever really going to be a real thing, right,
<v Speaker 1>not for not for video games, not for content generally,
<v Speaker 1>until like TVs are one hundred and fifty inches, which
<v Speaker 1>they probably aren't going to because a certain size. You're
<v Speaker 1>just talking about the size of people's homes not being
<v Speaker 1>able to accommodate that.
<v Speaker 3>You can get like sixty five and s TV's that
<v Speaker 3>are really nice for like four or five hundred bucks now,
<v Speaker 3>like right, people don't need that. Yeah, is never going
<v Speaker 3>to go above that because then you need a bit
<v Speaker 3>rate that most don't want to do already for four K.
<v Speaker 3>And like they tried real hard with the power of
<v Speaker 3>the SSD and all that stuff on the PS five,
<v Speaker 3>Like they're really good with their marketing to try and
<v Speaker 3>push up because we'ren't lying. It's a good SSDH. It's
<v Speaker 3>not special, and it wasn't necessary for most games like
<v Speaker 3>godfollow was PS five one, but no, it eventually came
<v Speaker 3>to everything, including last generation. Like they know how to
<v Speaker 3>talk things up. I'm sure they'll figure something out and
<v Speaker 3>people will buy it for the first few years and
<v Speaker 3>then come back and look at it and be like,
<v Speaker 3>oh yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Fun games, Yeah exactly.
<v Speaker 1>And it's so it's like they're gonna be like what
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about Nintendo not being film with the switch
<v Speaker 1>to it's like, yeah, everyone's going to be kind of
<v Speaker 1>in that same boat where it's gonna come down to
<v Speaker 1>the games and that's you know, prohibitive in its own
<v Speaker 1>way for a Sony and a Microsoft ware Well, they're
<v Speaker 1>trying to be the most immersive, the most high fidelity,
<v Speaker 1>and that stuff's expensive to produce and to be able
<v Speaker 1>to stand out in that crowd, you're gonna have to
<v Speaker 1>spend like you're gonna have to spend rock Star and
<v Speaker 1>Naughty Dog money, and most people are just gonna say, well, no,
<v Speaker 1>we're not going to do that. Find other ways to
<v Speaker 1>stand out, and the real the reality is the list
<v Speaker 1>of other ways to stand out other than spend more
<v Speaker 1>money than everyone else is very short and really just
<v Speaker 1>comes from some you know, genius team of designers that
<v Speaker 1>are able to create new ideas that are stuff that
<v Speaker 1>feels new.
<v Speaker 2>And fresh, like a breath of the wild or something
<v Speaker 2>like that.
<v Speaker 3>And that's, you know, one of the things I think
<v Speaker 3>in a million. The way Xbox is attacking it from
<v Speaker 3>what we saw is like their teams working together on
<v Speaker 3>Unreal Engine five for their own four because like they're
<v Speaker 3>not bigger obsidians, not a big team. But the Outer
<v Speaker 3>World's two looks infinitely better than the first one did.
<v Speaker 3>Wasteland three was but ugly, but then Clockwork Revolution is
<v Speaker 3>friggin gorgeous, And it's because they've got the coalition, they've
<v Speaker 3>gotten ninja theory, they've got even undead labs like all Who,
<v Speaker 3>they got multiple motion capture studios, all that type of stuff.
<v Speaker 3>Spreading out those Take two style rage engine costs is
<v Speaker 3>one way a PlayStation was really good having their EXTEV
<v Speaker 3>go around and help with stuff, and then they fired
<v Speaker 3>a whole bunch of them. So it's like, I'm not
<v Speaker 3>sure because they've been fighting the ever increasing costs like
<v Speaker 3>they wanted to do Spider Man three split in two
<v Speaker 3>eighty bucks each, Like it's just it's got that that
<v Speaker 3>was going to.
<v Speaker 1>Be the answer there, and it's like, oh, yeah, no,
<v Speaker 1>that's that where we're where we are really at with this,
<v Speaker 1>and you know, it doesn't sound like they might follow
<v Speaker 1>through with that, but just like heavily considering it was like, oh, okay,
<v Speaker 1>that's to me, that's a bad sign for where you
<v Speaker 1>think games are at if that's the answer to Hey,
<v Speaker 1>these things are getting expensive to make, and to be clear,
<v Speaker 1>they're getting very expensive to make. Spider Man two was
<v Speaker 1>three hundred million dollars according to those weeks.
<v Speaker 3>It was the the financials a couple months ago, and
<v Speaker 3>they're like, we've essentially they said, we've rained in costs,
<v Speaker 3>like that was a big focus. I want their margins
<v Speaker 3>higher because they're making a bajillion dollars. They just want
<v Speaker 3>to keep more.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, exactly, they like they want they want that growth.
<v Speaker 1>They want to see what, hey, we are we have
<v Speaker 1>really figured out how to get these trains to run
<v Speaker 1>on time over here at PlayStation to the point where
<v Speaker 1>are where we are making a lot of money, but
<v Speaker 1>we have tapped out on that growth. Like it's very
<v Speaker 1>profitable profits are not what you know, make investors happy.
<v Speaker 2>It is growth and god, that's that's.
<v Speaker 1>Very frustrating because it's like, man, Sony really did get
<v Speaker 1>to a point where they figured out their business and
<v Speaker 1>it should be applauded and should be like, hey, this
<v Speaker 1>is an impressive thing you have running here that this
<v Speaker 1>should be you should be rewarded for it.
<v Speaker 2>And it's a Nope. A bunch of investors are going like,
<v Speaker 2>all right, now, can you do two.
<v Speaker 3>X three x men you carry this entire corporation even more?
<v Speaker 2>Please? Uh huh.
<v Speaker 1>It's it's wild and stupid and I think everyone knows
<v Speaker 1>it at this point.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Stick with a couple more Sony stories here. Sony says
<v Speaker 1>it will continue to adjust PS Plus pricing as more
<v Speaker 1>players choose higher tiers. This is from Chris Sculling at VGC.
<v Speaker 1>Sony Interactive Entertainment's CEO says PlayStation Plus prices will continue
<v Speaker 1>to change, noting that subscribers continue to opt for higher
<v Speaker 1>tier despite price hikes. In its latest business segment meeting,
<v Speaker 1>Sony noted that in its financial year twenty twenty two,
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three, and twenty twenty four, the percentage of
<v Speaker 1>PlayStation Plus subscribers on higher tiers is continued to grow.
<v Speaker 1>Subscribers are increasingly choosing our premium and Extra tiers, which
<v Speaker 1>now represent approximately thirty eight percent of total subscribers. Sie
<v Speaker 1>president and CEO Hidioking Need you Know said during the presentation.
<v Speaker 1>This was supported with a chart showing that while seventeen
<v Speaker 1>percent of PS plus subscribers we're on the premium tier
<v Speaker 1>and thirteen percent we're on Extra in fiscal year twenty
<v Speaker 1>twenty two, this had creased to twenty twenty two percent
<v Speaker 1>or twenty two percent and sixteen percent, respectively for fiscal
<v Speaker 1>year twenty twenty four. So basically, they're like, excuse me, Hey,
<v Speaker 1>we raised prices, more people are still getting it. We're
<v Speaker 1>going to keep an eye on this, and we are
<v Speaker 1>like we They're like, we're going to raise prices. We
<v Speaker 1>know everyone's going to raise prices on everything across the board.
<v Speaker 1>The cost of buying a physical game, the cost of subscriptions,
<v Speaker 1>the cost of the consoles, the cost of the accessories,
<v Speaker 1>all this stuff has gone up. It will continue to
<v Speaker 1>go up, just like everything goes up in price. Although
<v Speaker 1>I do think we got a little insulated in video games,
<v Speaker 1>having you know, fifty dollars games for so long than
<v Speaker 1>having sixty dollars games for more than a decade, like
<v Speaker 1>much longer than a decade actually, And so it's like
<v Speaker 1>at a certain point, like that anchor price really set
<v Speaker 1>into our psychees. And now it does feel like, man,
<v Speaker 1>these companies are coming for us because I think they
<v Speaker 1>realized they got us a little bit like fish in
<v Speaker 1>a barrel, where we have made it clear that, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>even though there are these other options, if you have
<v Speaker 1>not gone to PC or whatever for cheaper games over
<v Speaker 1>there by this point, it's probably because you really really
<v Speaker 1>don't want to. And so if we keep raising the price,
<v Speaker 1>you're going to keep paying it because you love this
<v Speaker 1>hobby and you're gonna kind of kind of do whatever.
<v Speaker 1>And obviously it's going to push out some people. But yeah,
<v Speaker 1>the price is going to go up here, and I
<v Speaker 1>think they're right that more people continue to subscribe. Do
<v Speaker 1>you think they'll be able to make the value proposition
<v Speaker 1>feel fair as they're doing this?
<v Speaker 3>I am curious how, because they never going to go
<v Speaker 3>to day one on their own games outside of maybe
<v Speaker 3>some of the really small ones. Man, it's rough. I
<v Speaker 3>don't know the PS plus is fine. I think if
<v Speaker 3>it wasn't going up against game Pass and how kind
<v Speaker 3>of on fire that one has been for a while now,
<v Speaker 3>people would be okay with it because they are so
<v Speaker 3>used to spending the ten bucks at least a month
<v Speaker 3>to be online for multiplayer paid games. If Microsoft does
<v Speaker 3>end up going to that PC is our main thing
<v Speaker 3>and we just make back compat it feels like a
<v Speaker 3>console thing and they end up having to drop that
<v Speaker 3>cost or multiplayer paywall because PC players will tell them
<v Speaker 3>to go stuff it. I am curious what they could
<v Speaker 3>add or change or make different to keep it at
<v Speaker 3>that twenty or maybe twenty five by then. I don't
<v Speaker 3>know what Sony would do outside of just some more
<v Speaker 3>third party deal so like Firebreak Coming, they had some
<v Speaker 3>more stuff they showed at the State of Play that
<v Speaker 3>was day one, and they do a few a year
<v Speaker 3>and they're normally pretty good at picking them. I guess
<v Speaker 3>maybe a little more of that, because I know Game
<v Speaker 3>passes the same way where it's like ninety plus percent
<v Speaker 3>Ultimate or something ridiculous when it.
<v Speaker 2>Ran Ultimate console, the biggest one over there.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so people went Once you're in for like fourteen
<v Speaker 3>bucks and you see another four bucks can get you
<v Speaker 3>all this extra stuff. You're like, yeah, sure, why not.
<v Speaker 2>It's the popcorn thing.
<v Speaker 1>It's like, oh, it's only get a quarter more to
<v Speaker 1>get the medium, or they'll get the large popcorn over
<v Speaker 1>the medium. You don't think about the fact that you're
<v Speaker 1>already paying twenty five bucks. Yeah, all right, let's finish
<v Speaker 1>up the Sony segment here, Sony explains how it plans
<v Speaker 1>to defend PlayStation against switch To. This is from my
<v Speaker 1>Nintendo News. The Nintendo switch To has proved to be
<v Speaker 1>an incredible launch for Nintendo, with the system breaking records globally.
<v Speaker 1>The company's competitors are all watching closely how the system
<v Speaker 1>affares after launch, given the success of the original Nintendo
<v Speaker 1>Switch console. One such company is Sony, who were asked
<v Speaker 1>by investors how they plan to combat the threat of
<v Speaker 1>Nintendo on the PlayStation business. One question was especially succinct
<v Speaker 1>with the question about how they will transition youngsters who
<v Speaker 1>grow up on Nintendo hardware.
<v Speaker 2>Let's see, here's the first question.
<v Speaker 1>Some investors are concerned that improves specs for the switch
<v Speaker 1>to and Nintendo's improved relationship with third party publishers will
<v Speaker 1>lead to tougher competition for PlayStation.
<v Speaker 2>In the next few years.
<v Speaker 1>What do you think of those concerns, Nishino said, We
<v Speaker 1>closely monitor the overall gaming industry, including the action of
<v Speaker 1>other marketplace participants. Additionally, a catalyst in the market is
<v Speaker 1>great for the industry as a whole, as they invigorate excitement,
<v Speaker 1>the demand, and the demand for product. So it's great
<v Speaker 1>to have people launching new things. As I mentioned previously,
<v Speaker 1>we have a different strategy than Nintendo. PlayStation five is
<v Speaker 1>designed for immersive gaming experiences, and this includes the innovative
<v Speaker 1>dual sense controller features as well as well as other things.
<v Speaker 1>We believe the PS five level performance is required to
<v Speaker 1>achieve a great experience on big screens, and in this way,
<v Speaker 1>we have provided a unique offering for players and creators.
<v Speaker 1>In this current console generation, publisher strategies are increasingly shifting
<v Speaker 1>toward being multiplatform, so more platforms can run the same game,
<v Speaker 1>which is great for a creator's perspective among those platforms.
<v Speaker 1>Our mission is that we will continue to be the
<v Speaker 1>best place to play and to publish.
<v Speaker 2>To me, that sounds like.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we feel like we're the default, so we're going
<v Speaker 1>to take advantage of that because it's not like this
<v Speaker 1>stuff he's talking about really sets.
<v Speaker 2>Them that far apart otherwise.
<v Speaker 1>But they do have the default advantage of being the
<v Speaker 1>thing that people think of, Hey, if I want to
<v Speaker 1>play a Capcom game that's going to be on PlayStation,
<v Speaker 1>and they're not wrong, and by is that enough going forward?
<v Speaker 3>Kind of weird. Some of the smaller ones like Spike
<v Speaker 3>Chunsoft and a few others are just switched now. Yep,
<v Speaker 3>half anything anything that's like main place is Japan, just
<v Speaker 3>as like we want to be a Nintendo. If Microsoft
<v Speaker 3>wants to give us a game pass deal, maybe we'll
<v Speaker 3>go there other than that PC. So I am curious
<v Speaker 3>how it keeps going. Again, the industry is dominated by
<v Speaker 3>like the top ten to fifteen games in every region,
<v Speaker 3>and it's nearly impossible to break through on them. I
<v Speaker 3>know they talked a lot about live service and really
<v Speaker 3>being committed to it because like half their money came
<v Speaker 3>from micro transactions, and they would like to keep one
<v Speaker 3>hundred percent of more micro transactions instead of just the
<v Speaker 3>thirty percent or even less, depending on if it's like
<v Speaker 3>Activision and some of the bigger companies that can get
<v Speaker 3>better deals. So it's going to be it's going to
<v Speaker 3>be a strange one. I don't think they like the
<v Speaker 3>switch has always kind of been a little more expensive
<v Speaker 3>now so maybe less, but it's always been the extra console.
<v Speaker 3>I think for a lot of people like, yeah, I'm
<v Speaker 3>gonna have a switch, and then I'm going to either
<v Speaker 3>get a piece PlayStation, an Xbox or a PC like
<v Speaker 3>type of thing. Like the switch is its own thing,
<v Speaker 3>So I don't think they have to defend that hard
<v Speaker 3>against it. The thing they really need to defend against
<v Speaker 3>are the piecing only begining a set takeoff I don't
<v Speaker 3>know where, like REPO or m schedule one, like those
<v Speaker 3>types of lightning in a bottle, and then they've held
<v Speaker 3>on all year. Type of games that don't come to
<v Speaker 3>a console, right or.
<v Speaker 2>Don't happen on console, right. They first of all, they
<v Speaker 2>they don't organically blow up.
<v Speaker 1>On a console, but in many cases you're pointing out,
<v Speaker 1>don't even come to console, and if they do, it's
<v Speaker 1>years later, like some of them will one, yes, exactly,
<v Speaker 1>and that's you know, that's fine. But clearly when I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>if I'm here standing back, like what is the healthiest platform,
<v Speaker 1>it is the it's going to be the platform where
<v Speaker 1>a repo or a schedule one can happen where it's
<v Speaker 1>like any developer can pop off and have a global,
<v Speaker 1>massive blockbuster success.
<v Speaker 3>Out where an early access program. Yeah, like they still
<v Speaker 3>don't have one. It's been it was a big thing
<v Speaker 3>for getting like Power World and other stuff onto Xbox
<v Speaker 3>in their PC store sooner, especially because I think if
<v Speaker 3>you do play anywhere, you're in that twelve percent bracket
<v Speaker 3>instead of thirty percent. For what Microsoft keeps having something
<v Speaker 3>like that, Seams always thirty percent. They can do whatever
<v Speaker 3>they want because they are.
<v Speaker 1>There's some wiggle room on Steam if you like sell
<v Speaker 1>them tonally copies or whatever.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, yeah, yeah, it will be really it's gonna
<v Speaker 3>be a weird one.
<v Speaker 2>Man.
<v Speaker 3>Everything's changing, and change is scary, but it can also
<v Speaker 3>be really good for us as consumers. Less for the
<v Speaker 3>I want a corporation to beat the corporation bullshit that
<v Speaker 3>we run into all the time. But as far as
<v Speaker 3>actual game availability and all that and just playing, like
<v Speaker 3>I got a review code in in that game just
<v Speaker 3>is a multiplayer thing that I can play with anyone,
<v Speaker 3>and that used to just not be a thing. It
<v Speaker 3>have to have, Oh I don't have this code freaking
<v Speaker 3>night rain. You don't have this platform, well you can't
<v Speaker 3>play with anyone, sorry. Like that's just less and less
<v Speaker 3>and less. And the more we go down that path,
<v Speaker 3>the less the whole like third party console exclusive ever
<v Speaker 3>really makes sense. And I don't know how PlayStation fights
<v Speaker 3>against that outside of just making sure they always have everything,
<v Speaker 3>like that is their their main thing. We we get
<v Speaker 3>pretty much everything, yep.
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, and that that that you know, how much of
<v Speaker 1>a a benefit is that really, because it it feels like, no,
<v Speaker 1>that's great, of course you want that, but it doesn't
<v Speaker 1>feel like a big, strong story you could tell. And
<v Speaker 1>I think they also try to be like, hey, we
<v Speaker 1>are going to be the platform they can partner with
<v Speaker 1>like a square Enix and be the home of the
<v Speaker 1>Final Fantasy thing.
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna of games.
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna give them a lot of money to ensure
<v Speaker 1>they just they just put their games out on PlayStation
<v Speaker 1>and that that didn't really work. And then meanwhile and
<v Speaker 1>Tato's like, we're just gonna be more Nintendo than ever.
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be you know, Buckwilden, and it's like, oh
<v Speaker 1>and now we kind of own Japan. And I think
<v Speaker 1>Sony like I don't think I don't think this.
<v Speaker 2>We know this. Sony kind of gave up on Japan.
<v Speaker 1>They moved their headquarters from Japan like ten years ago now,
<v Speaker 1>they closed Japan studios. They were like, hey, no, we
<v Speaker 1>want to be the global company. We're a global gaming company.
<v Speaker 1>We have games that have a global appeal, and like
<v Speaker 1>doing that. It's like, okay, I don't know how much
<v Speaker 1>you're going to gain by doing that.
<v Speaker 2>Now.
<v Speaker 1>Again, very successful company, but that story you could tell
<v Speaker 1>of what are you what makes you different?
<v Speaker 2>Well, that feels like that's faded a little bit.
<v Speaker 1>And over here Nintendo's like, hey, we sold almost a
<v Speaker 1>million switch tos.
<v Speaker 2>In the first week in Japan. That number is bananas, Like.
<v Speaker 1>That's like a bonkers level of crazy for a console
<v Speaker 1>in Japan. There's not as many people in Japan, it's
<v Speaker 1>a lot of other countries, and so a million in
<v Speaker 1>a week is just off the charts. And that's cause
<v Speaker 1>Nintendo now owns that country in terms of console gamers,
<v Speaker 1>and you know, that country has a sort of weird
<v Speaker 1>relationship with games where it's like yeah, no, you know
<v Speaker 1>they that was the birthplace of the console in a
<v Speaker 1>lot of ways, or the modern console in a lot
<v Speaker 1>of ways, and they're like, oh, well that's great, but
<v Speaker 1>now we like playing games on our phones, like we're
<v Speaker 1>a mobile gaming country now, and so well, well that
<v Speaker 1>was happening. A lot of people are saying, well, that's
<v Speaker 1>the end of the story for the console in Japan,
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, we don't think so, and just kept
<v Speaker 1>going for it, and now they've been proven right that
<v Speaker 1>there is a desire for that, but it's just for
<v Speaker 1>the switch now, the switch to.
<v Speaker 3>And they kept the price down, which was very smart. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>lots teper there there anywhere else yep.
<v Speaker 1>And then meanwhile, PlayStation's like, yeah, well that's great, but
<v Speaker 1>we are going to be the global blockbuster company and
<v Speaker 1>it's like, well, yeah, you're heading right for a wall
<v Speaker 1>of that being really expensive and challenging to pull off.
<v Speaker 3>Is that really weird thing of trying to do the
<v Speaker 3>short term and long term, whereas Microsoft's has definitely shifted
<v Speaker 3>to long term while still making more money than they
<v Speaker 3>ever have before. That's also the thing people are like, oh,
<v Speaker 3>they're struggling. Nobody is struggling. Everybody's making insane amounts of money.
<v Speaker 3>The issue is smaller games struggling to beat up against
<v Speaker 3>the big game. So like small dist pushers and fans
<v Speaker 3>are struggling, but the actual platform holders are the healthiest
<v Speaker 3>they've ever been.
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<v Speaker 1>back into the headlines here. Xbox handheld device quote essentially canceled.
<v Speaker 2>According to a report. This comes from Eddie mccooat Game Spot.
<v Speaker 1>Though Microsoft never announced an official Xbox handheld device, there
<v Speaker 1>were rumors about how such a device might factor into
<v Speaker 1>the company's next gen console plans. Those plans are continuing
<v Speaker 1>to evolve, it seems, as a new report said Microsoft's
<v Speaker 1>own Xbox handheld is essentially canceled. A report from The Verge,
<v Speaker 1>citing insiders, said such a device is no longer going forward.
<v Speaker 1>This follows on from a report at the end of
<v Speaker 1>May that suggested plans for an Xbox handheld or sidelined.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I think when we were talking about this previously.
<v Speaker 1>A couple of weeks ago, it sounded like it was
<v Speaker 1>on pause and that they might come back to it
<v Speaker 1>saying essentially canceled. I don't know if that is that
<v Speaker 1>just a different interpretation of what's happening here. I'm of
<v Speaker 1>the opinion that clearly and probably rightly, Microsoft is focused
<v Speaker 1>on the software experience that can go on other devices,
<v Speaker 1>because that's what the main competition is doing with Steam
<v Speaker 1>OS and Linux, and they have to build a wall
<v Speaker 1>against that even before they have a decent reference device,
<v Speaker 1>because they have partners already making hardware. It is the
<v Speaker 1>software experience where they are most at threat. So if
<v Speaker 1>that's their focus, I think that's the right move. Although
<v Speaker 1>I was really looking forward to seeing like what the
<v Speaker 1>surface team maybe could do with Xbox hardware.
<v Speaker 2>How are you feeling about this?
<v Speaker 3>Annoyed about insiders always setting expectations. This thing never existed,
<v Speaker 3>They've never talked about it. It's not a thing where
<v Speaker 3>it is, where it's at. What they're doing internally, no idea.
<v Speaker 3>I've kind of gotten to the point where I know
<v Speaker 3>it really pushes SEO. It's amazing. People are way into
<v Speaker 3>leaks and all that type of stuff, and reporters should report.
<v Speaker 3>But as far as like what this means, no idea,
<v Speaker 3>Like it could mean everything, it could mean it's gone,
<v Speaker 3>it could mean nothing. That is just instead of coming
<v Speaker 3>out in twenty twenty seven, it's twenty twenty eight or
<v Speaker 3>something like. Because when they've talked about taping out their
<v Speaker 3>hardware before, it's like a decade long process to build
<v Speaker 3>a console. It's not quick. It's not generally a few years.
<v Speaker 3>Like the PS five Pro was a few years, which
<v Speaker 3>was surprising, but that it was also mainly a GPU
<v Speaker 3>upgrade and getting some new ray racing tech. It's essentially
<v Speaker 3>the same CPU and all that stuff. So what it
<v Speaker 3>ends up meaning like they're big push and they talked
<v Speaker 3>about it in their only four Games experiment, which went
<v Speaker 3>wildly successful, which is why they're doing everything now. Meeting
<v Speaker 3>a couple of years ago of the forwards compatibility team.
<v Speaker 3>So the supposed plan they get emulation working. You need
<v Speaker 3>a baseline of these specs to be able to emulate
<v Speaker 3>the Series S in earlier because I don't think they'd
<v Speaker 3>want like maybe on a powerful PC you could push
<v Speaker 3>for Series X because that would take a lot. Sure,
<v Speaker 3>but like on the handheld side especially, they have the
<v Speaker 3>Series S and it would be easier like three six,
<v Speaker 3>the Xbox one Original, all those things having that backwards
<v Speaker 3>compatibility set up. Then you go to some hardware like
<v Speaker 3>you figure it out, like you have your reference hardware
<v Speaker 3>compared it to to like an AMD or an video
<v Speaker 3>where it's like hit all these specs have all this stuff.
<v Speaker 3>Here's the SoC in the memory, you guys figure out
<v Speaker 3>the rest and you can add and do all this
<v Speaker 3>type of stuff. Yeah, I could definitely see that around
<v Speaker 3>the turn of the decade. It's not the type of
<v Speaker 3>thing they have to have right away if they've got
<v Speaker 3>like if AMD keeps doing these mobile chips, which are
<v Speaker 3>very expensive, So I don't know that it's a guarantee,
<v Speaker 3>like this is the first Z two Extreme, even though
<v Speaker 3>they've talked about this chip for a while, it'd be
<v Speaker 3>the first thing to actually have it, because there's expensive
<v Speaker 3>as shit, like the Xbox Lix is probably going to
<v Speaker 3>be like eight or nine hundred at the very least,
<v Speaker 3>even if they eat some of it.
<v Speaker 1>PlayStation Handle is also rumored to be using that C
<v Speaker 1>two Extreme as well, So yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And those can't do Series S profiles easily, like
<v Speaker 3>they can't run them natively. There are seven you want
<v Speaker 3>to run around seventeen ish because they're a lot better
<v Speaker 3>for that now than they used to be. But even
<v Speaker 3>that is comparable to running the old one at twenty
<v Speaker 3>five watts. And then you plug a Series S into
<v Speaker 3>a wall and you get over one hundred, right, and
<v Speaker 3>like a PS five into a wall and you get
<v Speaker 3>three hundred because they actually use a really shitty power supply.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're GPU's crazy in there.
<v Speaker 3>You Yeah, like they're just very different targets for performance.
<v Speaker 3>So they need to figure out all that software stuff.
<v Speaker 3>It's going to take time. But if anyone, it's.
<v Speaker 1>Way more important to figure out the software first, Like,
<v Speaker 1>you know, the hardware can come later. But if this,
<v Speaker 1>if making the Xbox games run on PC doesn't ever
<v Speaker 1>make sense, it's like there's kind of no point for
<v Speaker 1>that in the first place. And you know, kind of
<v Speaker 1>bringing it all together, even just running Windows based games
<v Speaker 1>in a way that like feels like a consolized experience
<v Speaker 1>the way the steam Os has kind of did out
<v Speaker 1>of the gate and has only improved over time to
<v Speaker 1>the point now where people are like very excited about
<v Speaker 1>steam Os running on other hardware, including a Roger Ally. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>this is a point of contention and a point of
<v Speaker 1>like a threat for Microsoft in Windows that they have
<v Speaker 1>to shore against.
<v Speaker 2>And I think they know that.
<v Speaker 1>I think that's why they are taking this route of
<v Speaker 1>whatever was happening with our hardware team, that's great. We
<v Speaker 1>need to get something out that looks good, plays great,
<v Speaker 1>and kind of does that thing that we've been promising
<v Speaker 1>of bringing your Xbox games into the Xbox interface along
<v Speaker 1>with your Steam and Epic Game Store games. We're gonna
<v Speaker 1>play nice with everybody, and this is going to kind
<v Speaker 1>of be the future or platform but it needs to
<v Speaker 1>make more sense on a handheld first, So and they
<v Speaker 1>could do that with a partner, and you know, I'm
<v Speaker 1>looking forward to it.
<v Speaker 2>Sounds like good things out of that Asis rog.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Our editor in chief second michin Eko John Clark,
<v Speaker 3>who's in chat, got to play around with it for
<v Speaker 3>a little bit and he was like he's got an
<v Speaker 3>ally X and he's like, Yeah, this feels better in
<v Speaker 3>pretty much every way. The ergonomic center are real good.
<v Speaker 3>And I know Jazz from Windows Central I talked about
<v Speaker 3>how they're looking to move away from two distinct platforms
<v Speaker 3>for deb environments and just have PC that makes everything
<v Speaker 3>play anywhere, that makes everything work on these types of
<v Speaker 3>devices across the board. And then when we're on.
<v Speaker 1>That long term planning of like they kind of feel
<v Speaker 1>like that is going to be their future.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, and even on these types of devices, you
<v Speaker 3>could probably get backwards compatibility for like Xbox one, three
<v Speaker 3>sixty and original Xbox working. You just need something better
<v Speaker 3>for like series S.
<v Speaker 1>But yes, you know, yeah, and that could be like,
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you get all the other backward battle
<v Speaker 1>Billy working and they have a very good backward compatibility team,
<v Speaker 1>that'll be good for now, and they could always be
<v Speaker 1>like and now all the stuff from Xbox series S
<v Speaker 1>works at this point. A lot of those games were
<v Speaker 1>made with PC in mind, though, so it's not like
<v Speaker 1>they're going to be missing anything really, Like Glaring Out.
<v Speaker 3>Of the Game even got Blackmith Wukong working on there
<v Speaker 3>only a few months after saying it would take them years.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there you go.
<v Speaker 1>Uh all right, FGC says the new Castlevania game is
<v Speaker 1>still coming. This is from a Nintendo News VGC stated
<v Speaker 1>a few months ago that new big budget that a
<v Speaker 1>new big budget Caslvania project is currently in development at Konami. However,
<v Speaker 1>the company broadcast its large summer presentation yesterday and the
<v Speaker 1>game was noticeably absent. One eager fan messaged the article's author,
<v Speaker 1>Andy Robinson to find out what is happening with the game.
<v Speaker 1>Robinson replied that the new Caslovania is still coming as
<v Speaker 1>far as he knows, and I'm happy to hear that.
<v Speaker 1>I also think, yeah, that makes sense. I mean multiple
<v Speaker 1>times over this summer game festalone, Jesse, there was stuff
<v Speaker 1>that popped up where it's like, oh my god, I
<v Speaker 1>reported about this four years ago and we haven't heard
<v Speaker 1>anything since that. You know that what does might call him?
<v Speaker 1>The Wuton group game that showed up. Finally it's like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's that happens where these things I hear about him
<v Speaker 1>very early and then years later they do actually still
<v Speaker 1>manifest and so yeah, this sounds right to me. Where
<v Speaker 1>it's like that Caslavania project probably was part of an
<v Speaker 1>early initiative a of Konami looking around being like, hey,
<v Speaker 1>Silent Hill is working, we are serious about metal Gear,
<v Speaker 1>we should have something else.
<v Speaker 2>Caslovania is really popping off on Netflix.
<v Speaker 1>Let's make a game of that, And it's like that
<v Speaker 1>was the one that was just the very earliest part
<v Speaker 1>of that initiative. So when Andy's reporting about metal Gear
<v Speaker 1>and Silent Hell and oh also Cassylvania, that's the one
<v Speaker 1>that feels like, oh wait, where is that game. Oh
<v Speaker 1>it's just gonna take a little bit longer than people
<v Speaker 1>are expecting. So yeah, sure, maybe I was hoping we
<v Speaker 1>would see it at this Konami thing, but I'm not
<v Speaker 1>surprised we didn't.
<v Speaker 2>These things take time.
<v Speaker 3>So we got a new Bloodstain coming, which look nice, but.
<v Speaker 1>One the one that was like, I'm the guy that
<v Speaker 1>made that game, even though he didn't like make the
<v Speaker 1>original Castlovania or wasn't even like the director of cympthony
<v Speaker 1>On Knight, he's the one that actually pulled off the
<v Speaker 1>I'm the guy that did that. I'm going to make
<v Speaker 1>another one of those. And then Bloodstain was pretty good.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was. Joe Stateton put up a tweet that
<v Speaker 3>got deleted. He was like, oh, I'm really glad to
<v Speaker 3>see the Wuotang thing. They had been with Xbox Publishing
<v Speaker 3>when I was there, but yeah, that definitely. We had
<v Speaker 3>heard that that game was in shape and was a
<v Speaker 3>Diablo like and now it's not even that anymore.
<v Speaker 2>So it's an action RPG in a different way. Now.
<v Speaker 2>It is kind of o they're framing it.
<v Speaker 1>I when I asked about them, it's like they were like, hey,
<v Speaker 1>we were you know, we were choosing the right external partners.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, yeah, what's it like working with external partners?
<v Speaker 1>They looked at each other and did not elaborate, so
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if that had to do with Xbox there.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, let's see Caslvania.
<v Speaker 2>What do you want from it?
<v Speaker 1>I think I want them to go all out, if
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be a big budget game, make a big
<v Speaker 1>new three D Castlevania, because I think a two D
<v Speaker 1>Metro a Venia these days is something we're getting a
<v Speaker 1>lot of from a lot of different shortage. There's no shortage,
<v Speaker 1>right and listen. I want them to go back and
<v Speaker 1>do another two D Castlevania Metro Vanya style game again
<v Speaker 1>at some point. But if we're talking about Konami, like
<v Speaker 1>bursting back onto the scene, like be willing to look
<v Speaker 1>around and be like, you know, obviously frum Soft games
<v Speaker 1>are deeply inspired by Castlevania. I wouldn't mind seeing their
<v Speaker 1>own take on that, but also still being very Castlevania,
<v Speaker 1>like actually go fight Dracula in a in a Soulisborne
<v Speaker 1>style game. I would be fine with that, But I
<v Speaker 1>don't think that's necessarily the only so here. A three
<v Speaker 1>D Metroid Vanya game that's big budget from from Konami,
<v Speaker 1>I think would be very welcome. But do you have
<v Speaker 1>anything specific that you would want.
<v Speaker 3>An evolution of it? Like Wu Chang is a Soul's like,
<v Speaker 3>but it doesn't feel like a Soul's game right to
<v Speaker 3>me when I played it. Ninjagating four, from what I heard,
<v Speaker 3>is just a straight up action game. It's not a
<v Speaker 3>Soul's like. It's a Ninjagating game. And if they're going
<v Speaker 3>to do a big three D you know, behind the
<v Speaker 3>back Castlevania camera game, I'd hope that they'd be able
<v Speaker 3>to find something different than just doing the luck on
<v Speaker 3>dodge rolling mechanics with bonfire equivalent s type stuff, like,
<v Speaker 3>make something that feels Castlevania with those trappings.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe yep.
<v Speaker 1>God, I guess those save rooms in like Super Metroid
<v Speaker 1>kind of are like blondfires, aren't they?
<v Speaker 2>All right?
<v Speaker 1>That's VGC Sanda new Castlevania game is still coming. Next story,
<v Speaker 1>Xbox continues quietly abandoning physical games. This is from Etha
<v Speaker 1>Goatcha Kotaku. Basically, let's see here. The Outer Worlds too,
<v Speaker 1>will get a standard disc option on PlayStation five, but
<v Speaker 1>only a code in a box for Xbox Series X owners.
<v Speaker 1>It's the latest example of a growing preservation nightmare for
<v Speaker 1>Microsoft's current generation of consoles. Now, I think like this
<v Speaker 1>is a chicken and egg situation.
<v Speaker 2>We had Kelsey.
<v Speaker 1>Lewin on the on the show at GB at night
<v Speaker 1>during SGF, she runs multiple video game stores and she's like,
<v Speaker 1>we'll order four copies of every new Xbox game that
<v Speaker 1>has physical copies, and we will always sell just one
<v Speaker 1>of those. And it's like, you know, that audience has
<v Speaker 1>just moved on to digital. Whether that's because the Xbox
<v Speaker 1>Series S was popular or because of Game Pass, whatever,
<v Speaker 1>the reason is, those games are still many of them
<v Speaker 1>were still coming out physically and.
<v Speaker 2>People have stopped buying them.
<v Speaker 1>So at a certain point, when does Microsoft just respond
<v Speaker 1>to the market. Now, I won't deny that Microsoft created
<v Speaker 1>the conditions in which digital would drive.
<v Speaker 2>Clearly they did that, but.
<v Speaker 1>They did not do the thing of like, let's take
<v Speaker 1>it away so people can't buy it. They gave people
<v Speaker 1>the option, and people no longer exercise that option. So
<v Speaker 1>I'm like of the opinion of if people are buying
<v Speaker 1>one copy from a store of every new Xbox game
<v Speaker 1>that goes out on a disc, why at a certain point,
<v Speaker 1>why would you keep making those things?
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't.
<v Speaker 3>It's they also, I don't think they ever did the
<v Speaker 3>licensing for like triple Layer Blu rays, so they stop
<v Speaker 3>at eighty and a lot of games end up being
<v Speaker 3>above that, so they're never really going to be on
<v Speaker 3>the disc because they didn't. They don't they have the
<v Speaker 3>laser that can read them, because you can do movies
<v Speaker 3>and stuff. But they didn't pay because they make most
<v Speaker 3>of their Blu rays I think in Mexico, and you
<v Speaker 3>got to pay all the licensing fees depending on what
<v Speaker 3>type of Blu ray you got, and from what we know,
<v Speaker 3>they're like ninety eight percent digital as a company, and
<v Speaker 3>I do think it's a mix of the play anywhere.
<v Speaker 3>Dual entitlement is pretty attractive for people who have multiple things.
<v Speaker 3>The backwards compatibility gives you that, you know, confidence and
<v Speaker 3>it should always be air quotes around corporations, but confidence
<v Speaker 3>that your your payments stay and that your purchases don't
<v Speaker 3>go away as they used to do with a lot
<v Speaker 3>of other things across the board. Eventually, once the audience
<v Speaker 3>has made it clear they're not going to buy something,
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna stop essentially wasting money making it, which does
<v Speaker 3>suck a lot for preservation. I know Phil has talked
<v Speaker 3>before about wanting to figure out ways to help with that,
<v Speaker 3>but even as the CEO of Microsoft Gaming, if he
<v Speaker 3>can't figure out a good return on investment for that,
<v Speaker 3>even if it's just really good press, then he's going
<v Speaker 3>to be told no.
<v Speaker 2>Yep.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I like I think if Microsoft has a
<v Speaker 1>game that you know, it's game of the year and
<v Speaker 1>it feels really special, I think they'd be willing to
<v Speaker 1>work with like a Lost in Cull to make a
<v Speaker 1>criterion version of a fiscal version of a game later
<v Speaker 1>that can people can collect at that point. But releasing
<v Speaker 1>a game on a disc day one when you don't
<v Speaker 1>know if people actually there's a demand for that, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I kind of see why they're backing off of that. Now,
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't mean that all the preservation nightmares aren't there.
<v Speaker 1>They are, but you know that that's gonna be an't
<v Speaker 1>last forever anyhow.
<v Speaker 3>And everything's on PC, so in the long run, the
<v Speaker 3>games themselves won't go away. Those versions might, but those
<v Speaker 3>versions are just mediocre PC ports that don't run the best.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and really, when we look at preservation for old
<v Speaker 1>video games, so yeah, we have those cartridges. The preservation
<v Speaker 1>thing is happening with Rom's Online, like that's where preservation
<v Speaker 1>really happens. And yeah, having a lot of these games
<v Speaker 1>as PC games. You're right that that will be one solution,
<v Speaker 1>although people are gonna want the Xbox version as well.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it would be It would be nice to have.
<v Speaker 3>I hope it can be figured out.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, same, all right, a couple more stories here.
<v Speaker 1>GameStop CEO surprisingly says, is it that surprising that the
<v Speaker 1>company's future isn't in video games?
<v Speaker 2>This is from my Nintendo News.
<v Speaker 1>It seems GameStop isn't convinced anymore that it's turbulent future
<v Speaker 1>is is in video games as it once thought, or
<v Speaker 1>as much of its futures in video games as it
<v Speaker 1>once thought. The company has been trying to diversify its
<v Speaker 1>offerings for quite some time now, and the current train
<v Speaker 1>of thought is to focus more on trading cards. With
<v Speaker 1>Pokemon trading card game proving immensely popular at the moment,
<v Speaker 1>with more and more people purchasing their games digitally, GameStop
<v Speaker 1>has had to rethink its entire purpose.
<v Speaker 2>Cohen said that, and that's Ryan Cohen, who is a
<v Speaker 2>dipshit right.
<v Speaker 1>Cohen has said that continuing to focus on trading cards,
<v Speaker 1>including the incredibly popular recent Pokemon card set, is a
<v Speaker 1>natural extension of incredibly popular recent Pokemon card sets is
<v Speaker 1>a natural extension of Gamestop's business. He added that the
<v Speaker 1>collectibles could have potential for high profit margins. It's no
<v Speaker 1>mystery why game stop has increased its focus on trading cards.
<v Speaker 1>It's revenue in the first quarter of twenty twenty five
<v Speaker 1>search by over fifty percent on a year over year
<v Speaker 1>basis largely due to Pokemon. Just se I wonder if
<v Speaker 1>there's a bunch of hobbyist stories that are like looking
<v Speaker 1>over at GameStop and just laughing, being like, oh, really,
<v Speaker 1>this is the business you think you're going to thrive in.
<v Speaker 2>Good luck, Good luck with that.
<v Speaker 1>First of all, yeah, you could sell cards, Target sells cards,
<v Speaker 1>get them there. But if you're gonna be one of
<v Speaker 1>these hobbyist places, you also have to like run a community,
<v Speaker 1>be willing to like run game nights and have people
<v Speaker 1>come in there hangout, and then you got to get.
<v Speaker 2>Into warframe miniatures.
<v Speaker 1>Like it's game Stop does not seem like it has
<v Speaker 1>the culture to support that sort of thing, And really
<v Speaker 1>the culture is kind of like the antithesis of that,
<v Speaker 1>where people hate hanging out in the game Stop because
<v Speaker 1>they are so aggressive and they forced their associates to
<v Speaker 1>be so in your face, and their they're commission based
<v Speaker 1>and all this stuff.
<v Speaker 2>I don't I just don't know if it's really gonna
<v Speaker 2>work for them long term.
<v Speaker 1>But hey, good luck. I guess your other business is
<v Speaker 1>buying a lot of bitcoins. So maybe this is yep, exactly.
<v Speaker 3>Maybe you thought that NFTs were going to take off
<v Speaker 3>and they're really going to have to invest in them.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they had their whole NFT and they had their
<v Speaker 1>blockchain game business and stuff like that. It's uh, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>what do you think Gamestop's future is bankruptcy?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it sucks. It could there's ways to figure it out.
<v Speaker 3>You have to scale down a bit. Sure, the I
<v Speaker 3>think it was what Canadian game Stop is going, Oh
<v Speaker 3>you got a visitor, Canadian game Stop is going to
<v Speaker 3>was sold off to a guy who just really likes
<v Speaker 3>video games and hobbyist type stuff and all that. This
<v Speaker 3>could be the future for it. But when you're hitching
<v Speaker 3>your entire bandwagon and then Pokemon takes maybe it takes
<v Speaker 3>a dive for a few years, then you're screwed completely.
<v Speaker 3>Like it's not going to go away, but maybe it's
<v Speaker 3>just not as popular. So you've got to always diversify
<v Speaker 3>and figure things out, and he seems really bad at
<v Speaker 3>figuring anything out, so I don't have any confidence in them.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, he was the pets dot Com guy. I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I think he sold that to Amazon. I'm like, I
<v Speaker 2>never really cared to find out. I think that's right.
<v Speaker 1>And I did say war Frame minies, which I'm not
<v Speaker 1>gonna ba.
<v Speaker 2>Yah'd be cool, all right?
<v Speaker 1>Hitman dev gives update on mysterious fantasy project.
<v Speaker 2>This is another one.
<v Speaker 1>It's like years ago Dragon. Yeah, project Dragon. I was
<v Speaker 1>hearing about this. This is from Aaron Garst at GameSpot.
<v Speaker 1>Io Interactives teased more than their upcoming James Bond game.
<v Speaker 1>In a recent game spot interview, Studio CEO Hakan a
<v Speaker 1>Brac briefly mentioned that their sixth original IP is currently
<v Speaker 1>a previously confirmed fantasy project, The Passion, and this is
<v Speaker 1>quote the Passion and being able to pour some of
<v Speaker 1>yourself into this extremely important, is extremely important for us creatively.
<v Speaker 1>A Brac said on GameSpot's Summer Gamefest live stream, Io
<v Speaker 1>has done. We've really been blessed five original ips from
<v Speaker 1>the ground up throughout the years. We're doing our sixth,
<v Speaker 1>which is a fantasy project Double seven first Light is
<v Speaker 1>io Interactive's first license game. A Brac said that the
<v Speaker 1>only reason they took the project on is that their
<v Speaker 1>partners gave them the freedom to express themselves within the
<v Speaker 1>game from the get go. We didn't want to do
<v Speaker 1>a gamification of a movie. A Bracts said, we really
<v Speaker 1>wanted to have a swing at our young James Bond
<v Speaker 1>and his origin story. It's something a bit more dynamic
<v Speaker 1>and youthful. Didn't say anything more about their fantasy project
<v Speaker 1>during the interview, but he did bring it up unprompted,
<v Speaker 1>meaning that they have more to share some about it
<v Speaker 1>in the future. So this isn't something where it's like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>we've heard about this, tell us, come on, give us
<v Speaker 1>something here, and he was like, oh, but grudgingly offering
<v Speaker 1>it up, He's like, no, we're still working on that.
<v Speaker 1>It's coming, we're looking forward to it. I bet this
<v Speaker 1>is another one that is, you know, six years away
<v Speaker 1>before he really maybe even see anything from it, because
<v Speaker 1>that's just the way time works with these games now.
<v Speaker 2>But I'm happy to.
<v Speaker 1>Hear that, Like I owe obviously in a weird place
<v Speaker 1>right now, trying to do the publishing thing with the
<v Speaker 1>mind's eye, but I don't think this is holding back
<v Speaker 1>that studio in terms of being a developer and putting
<v Speaker 1>out games like this.
<v Speaker 2>I'm still very hopeful.
<v Speaker 3>How about you, I am. Did you say they wanted
<v Speaker 3>to do hit Man World Assassination right from the very
<v Speaker 3>beginning and PlayStation told him no. It made me mad
<v Speaker 3>when I heard that, because I had hit Man World
<v Speaker 3>Assassination is amazing, It's one of the best things ever made. Yep,
<v Speaker 3>whatever they're working on, if they've got that type of
<v Speaker 3>creativity going into it. I know this one had been
<v Speaker 3>rumored to be in a project with Mysoft for a while,
<v Speaker 3>but it didn't seem like that anymore.
<v Speaker 2>You never know, like that thing.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, because they're they're still busy somehow, still working
<v Speaker 3>on contraband huh. Honestly, I really do think that one
<v Speaker 3>might be next like shown next year. I don't know,
<v Speaker 3>because they were like resetting for just showing closer stuff
<v Speaker 3>for them. Yes, but yeah, no, I love Io, I
<v Speaker 3>love their games. I would be excited to see what
<v Speaker 3>it is. I do not expect to see it for
<v Speaker 3>a while that you would imagine still doing content for
<v Speaker 3>Hitman so you got a little team on that and
<v Speaker 3>doing stuff every now and then, but everyone's probably all
<v Speaker 3>hands on deck for they're very bland looking James Bond.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm I'm not sure how I feel about that
<v Speaker 1>James Bond game. I go back and forth the.
<v Speaker 3>Game I think looks cool just him, Yes, very bland.
<v Speaker 1>Right that too, Like how do I feel about this
<v Speaker 1>character model? I'll tell you what. I'm glad that it's
<v Speaker 1>a younger James Bond and that does feel like there's
<v Speaker 1>more face to play around and try some stuff and
<v Speaker 1>like even like give the characters some ocean you wouldn't
<v Speaker 1>normally associate with James Bond.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I'm not sure I feel about that Cares.
<v Speaker 3>This is before he's murdered thousands of people as executioner.
<v Speaker 1>We'll just do that exactly. Oh sh I'm making my
<v Speaker 1>table go down here. All right, let's see anything else
<v Speaker 1>I wanted them to say about that. Yeah, they have
<v Speaker 1>a new like an office they opened up a few
<v Speaker 1>years ago, so clearly they have expanded to take on
<v Speaker 1>a lot of projects.
<v Speaker 2>But you're right, I bet it's all.
<v Speaker 1>Focused on James Bond in this moment, because that's just
<v Speaker 1>when you have a project like that, that's like, that's
<v Speaker 1>our focus and we want to get that out so
<v Speaker 1>we could make some money.
<v Speaker 2>That's just naturally happens.
<v Speaker 3>You might have like some small team in pre production
<v Speaker 3>and maybe some partners helping with stuff, but it's it's
<v Speaker 3>it wouldn't be close and stuff like that unless you're
<v Speaker 3>obsidian who can somehow do everything at the same time.
<v Speaker 2>They're magicians.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, we have a poll question from yesterday.
<v Speaker 2>Let's get to that.
<v Speaker 1>Let's see here, are you going to play Resident Evil
<v Speaker 1>Requiem in first or third person? I'm going to vot
<v Speaker 1>to get my results. I'm going to say first person
<v Speaker 1>because it is recommended. And here's this is closer than
<v Speaker 1>I was expecting. Thirty seven percent said they're going to
<v Speaker 1>play in first person. Sixty three percent said they're going
<v Speaker 1>to play in third person.
<v Speaker 3>I where was the third option?
<v Speaker 1>Both yes, right exactly said I will do the first
<v Speaker 1>person and then when I get too scared, Jesse, I.
<v Speaker 2>Will switch to third person.
<v Speaker 3>Well, because though the rumors are not to spoil I'm
<v Speaker 3>not saying anything else, but there's going to be the
<v Speaker 3>seven Survival horror side and the Refour remake action side
<v Speaker 3>the things. So now I think for action probably Third
<v Speaker 3>Giant bombs.
<v Speaker 1>Mike Minatti did notice that when when it went to
<v Speaker 1>that menu, it did say first person parentheses recommended. I
<v Speaker 1>wonder when it jumps between those two things, if they
<v Speaker 1>start you off in third person for the action side
<v Speaker 1>of things. I wouldn't be surprised if it's like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>that's recommended over here, and they bounce back and forth.
<v Speaker 3>The game is around you. You need you need third right.
<v Speaker 1>The game does feel like it's more ambitious than a
<v Speaker 1>lot of like than any residuable game before.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we'll see lots of rumors about it. You might
<v Speaker 3>want to avoid if you don't want spoilers, but it's.
<v Speaker 1>Exactly yes, some stuff that sounds cool, some stuff that
<v Speaker 1>I think is hilarious regarding some of those characters. All right,
<v Speaker 1>that's that poll question. We have a new pool question.
<v Speaker 1>We'll get you here in a second. Before we do that,
<v Speaker 1>Jesse Norris, why don't you tell people what you have
<v Speaker 1>going on where they could find you?
<v Speaker 2>Come about Console Wars?
<v Speaker 3>This thing right here?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right there.
<v Speaker 3>If you're in if you're in the North America or
<v Speaker 3>the Europe, you can go to Amazon. You can just
<v Speaker 3>type Console Wars the card game in there. It's a
<v Speaker 3>dumb little game that our editor in chief and our
<v Speaker 3>lead art guy who we are unbelievably lucky to have made.
<v Speaker 3>I haven't actually opened through all the cards in mind,
<v Speaker 3>but it is a little card game with a bunch
<v Speaker 3>we got to have any actual I want a funny
<v Speaker 3>goddamn damn it, I don't, all right, anyways, you're just
<v Speaker 3>trying to It's a card game where you are trying
<v Speaker 3>to essentially win the Console Wars by having the most
<v Speaker 3>IP where it gets the four full sets of IP
<v Speaker 3>first wins. We got stupid names like hang Out instead
<v Speaker 3>of Fallout or the rest of us, so we don't
<v Speaker 3>get sued. It's a lot of fun three to five players,
<v Speaker 3>various DLC packs so you can add and change the
<v Speaker 3>games as you want. I think it's like thirty bucks
<v Speaker 3>in the US and a little less in the UK
<v Speaker 3>because of terrors.
<v Speaker 2>Of course, this is cool.
<v Speaker 1>It's something that I know you guys had been working
<v Speaker 1>on for a long time over there. Yeah great that
<v Speaker 1>you Grace were actually able to launch it have a
<v Speaker 1>product and it looks it looks really cool.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's Console Wars. You can get an on
<v Speaker 2>Amazon right now.
<v Speaker 3>Everybody Console Wars game dot com and you can also
<v Speaker 3>have Call of Shooting as your own IP.
<v Speaker 1>Fantastic Actually I'm my favorite one oh h with the
<v Speaker 1>Halo treatment. Anything else you want to tell people about that,
<v Speaker 1>you have work that you've been working on.
<v Speaker 3>There'll be more previews coming up on Summer Games Best
<v Speaker 3>and everything's just at xbox era dot com. While we've
<v Speaker 3>got another company's name in our name. We just like
<v Speaker 3>video games. We try to not do this, which is
<v Speaker 3>why we made fun of it in the video card game.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, just Xboxer dot com for all your video
<v Speaker 3>game coverage needs, mostly focused on Xbox.
<v Speaker 1>All right, New Pole question, do you collect physical video games?
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Or no? Those are your options.
<v Speaker 1>I want to hear what people have to say, and
<v Speaker 1>I guess, like you know, answered how you want. But
<v Speaker 1>it's like, well, I buy physical games. Do do I
<v Speaker 1>consider myself a collector?
<v Speaker 2>I don't care.
<v Speaker 1>You just answer yes or note to that question however
<v Speaker 1>you feel like whatever's in your heart. We'll get the
<v Speaker 1>results of that. We'll talk it about it on Games
<v Speaker 1>Mornings on Monday. Here on Giant Bomb. Looking forward to
<v Speaker 1>seeing y'all. Then, speaking of Giant Bomb, we're going to
<v Speaker 1>go right into upf here, We're going to play some
<v Speaker 1>Mario Kart World.
<v Speaker 2>We're going to do some knockout tour with the community.
<v Speaker 2>We'll put some room codes out well.
<v Speaker 1>We will refresh it from time to time so new
<v Speaker 1>people can get in. We did a little bit yesterday,
<v Speaker 1>but the plan was always to play a lot more today.
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna do that for a couple of hours, and
<v Speaker 1>then we're going to finish up the week with voicemail
<v Speaker 1>dump truck once Backlar gets off one of his many
<v Speaker 1>mini ca so we'll make that all happen here for
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the day.
<v Speaker 2>Looking forward to it in the meantime.
<v Speaker 1>Jesse Norris, thank you for hanging out with me today
<v Speaker 1>man to talk about video games.
<v Speaker 3>I really appreciate time. Yeah, it's a lot of fun.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, another quick thing.
<v Speaker 1>On Monday, we are going to catch up with the
<v Speaker 1>game trailers that we either missed from Summer Game Fest
<v Speaker 1>or the Xbox Show or the many day of the
<v Speaker 1>devs had a ton of stuff, so there was so
<v Speaker 1>much stuff that we weren't able to like just sit
<v Speaker 1>down and watch. So I've been asking people to send
<v Speaker 1>me some stuff on Blue Sky or even if you
<v Speaker 1>want to start like a Reddit thread people, and might
<v Speaker 1>just start putting stuff in there that you would like
<v Speaker 1>us to watch. We'll do that on Monday, so that'll
<v Speaker 1>be after Games Mornings on that.
<v Speaker 2>Day, all right.
<v Speaker 1>I thank Jesse, Thank thanks Jan for producing the show.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you all for watching and listening. You are the
<v Speaker 1>best audience in gaming. Until next time, have a good one,
<v Speaker 1>Take care of yourself, goodbye.
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