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The volume. I don't even have a question for it
more or less a salute because, like you said, you've
been that niggas since we was kids. We see a
lot of people who grow up in Hollywood grow up
with for an they don't always end up the same
as adults, right, But for you to navigate to be
who you are, that's though.
But how was that.
Growing up with all that type of notoriety and it's
still having to be a regular person.
Or shout out to my mama. I got a black mama,
so you know my mama Sharon doll and shit. Yeah yeah,
definitely having my mom in my quarter that played a
big role. Yeah you know what I'm saying, and to
my career and only that, but just for me, just
the basics on what you said. For me, I always
studied the ones who came up for me who fucked up.
So I'll be watching them like now the way not
to do because if I slip down that hole, that's
what that's gonna be me.
So I'll be learning from motherfuckers making their own mistakes.
But you know, I give all credit to my mom,
so like without her, like she was like the launcha
pat into this shit that kind of prepared me mentally,
and then of course me having the legends in my quarter,
have a the stoop happened that you bade dupre and
just you know, even a nelly, you know what I mean?
Why I can sit it like a big brother vices.
Niggas that's gonna pull up and fight me if I'm
out of control, if I want to end down violence.
That's why a nigga be on his best behavior in
this past couple of years, because I understand what it is,
and I understand my brain, understand who I am, and
and it takes real big homies and come to see
and then bring your ass down here one time, I
let you know what you've been.
Fucking up on it.
And I got a lot of people that love it
outside the game. They here inside the game, and they
don't want to they't gonna let me. They're gonna let
me forever. So yeah, I'm.
Sure I gotta tell her.
I have me and you had a fun moment one day,
of course like that.
That's great. But we was out one night in Houston.
It was me and you.
I was playing with Boston.
We was in Houston. It was COVID time nigga.
I know it two minutes that til.
When the maryor trying to kick me out.
So we had a time and I was like this
when I knew, Like, I was like, yo, he a
different famous. You know I'm playing on the cell chans
j T, j B Autumn. Yeah he was at camp
and I said, damn. He walked through and no offense,
but like fifty girls ran behind him.
I said, yeah, he's a different famous. They roll, they
rote with him.
I didn't know you brought up to the poor out
of see them running behind you.
And I looked at Jason.
I was like, you got a lot of money, but.
You don't got that.
He was like, I'm about to.
Go get there. I got shake that nigga head on
my mama. JT came over to the sexon y'all. Did
you fuck y'all?
You pull it up? Put up.
I'll fuck with JT.
But that's my dog man, Like, that's that's family, even
you just breaking that up, man, And I wish my
boy is speedy recovery. So I told him, I told
him go over the big time. Fuck would even check
only why he's down, But that's my dog man. And uh,
that was that was a matter of fact, was crazy.
That was me a soldier boy after party to the
Millennium Tour. That was one of the craziest nights at camp.
He sure that shit was crazy. It was going up.
I wasn't there for long.
That's right.
You left pee somewhere right here?
How did you get your hands sold somewhere? He got
about of the earth.
I want to ask you, bro, how did the Millennium
Tours started?
Bro? Who originated that?
It originated? I'm gonna be real, Garrett, you know what
I mean. It all started with Gary. That's to promote him,
the BPC. You know Gary. They came up with this
concept to uh, you know, bring back that vibe again,
you know what I mean.
The screen stort started with me, you know what I mean.
That's that's my ship, that staple, that stamp, that staple,
And that was the first and pretty much the Millennium
So it was kind of like the spin off from that,
you know what I mean. And the first one was
twenty nineteen with B two K and I felt that,
you know, it wasn't my time to do it hit.
I felt that the fans and me understanding her audience,
that the beat too K Reunion was their time and
it had to happen for them, and it was I
didn't want to take away from the moment. The moment
was too big, and I set it out and I
just watched every artist from that from our time just
get the tweet, and it was so pissed, like, man,
why the fuck y'all ain't called me? Why the fun
I'm like nigga, y'all like bigger than be two K
nigga that the girls want to see.
Motherfucker be two K.
These niggas only come outside of me twenty five years together,
so if they.
Could catch him one time, they gonna catch him.
And then I came out Marion that brought me out
as a special guest ship with Crazy and that's when
they already they gotta call the dog, Gotta call the dog.
Ain't no way you're doing anything Millennial without a Meal
or Chris Brown involved in that.
Motherfucker. It's just it ain't gonna work like that. Like
that's a huh, you know what I mean?
Like talk a little shit. It's true, we sold the
most for Mama lineus. We got the most hits out
of the Millennial. Is us too and I knew the
car was gonna come, and when they came, I took
the opportunity. Then Mario came back and he he cohead
Live with you, and then Gary like we gotta running
back again.
I'm like, damn, Then were gonna three times in a row.
Here we going again.
And that was when me, Trey and Marion rose and
everybody else. And how this one came about was, you know,
I put the call on the Trigger. I called Trigger
myself because Trey wasn't picking the phone for niggas. He
was not picking up the phone, he was not editating the.
Tour at all.
And Gary was like, Yo, I need you to put
your business head off and I need you to for
this call there.
I put the call there. I said, Yo, Tray, I
need you the headline. He's a headline.
Nigga.
You handline this this yow ship. I said, Nah, nigga,
I'm I'm on some mother type of ship right now.
I'm like, I need you to do this. Uh, you know,
I don't got time for the for the ego ship.
That's why I fuck with Trigger.
You know what I mean?
Just put some positive touches on my nigga Nigga Solid
came on the tour to to stay rocked Out. One
of the best Tom partners I think I ever had
in my career. Understands with its tape and and all,
we can be able to do this again.
You need to running back. I can't bring me two
k Ben ain't too farud No, No, we.
Got some ship cooking on the works. I can't really
speak on it too much.
But it's I'm big on down in December as as
of now, something real big on down post.
Listen to.
What's that nigga name over there?
And I don't know here?
You know?
There you go, niggers be.
They ain't ready for no tour.
Man, Hey, look believe it or not, throwing out here's
your shoot and ship.
That nigga low key is like the motherfucker very smart
when to come into finish stuff like of for show
you the mother fuck that's in the office with Gary
and putting this ship together. So I gotta give it
to I give it the rads on that point.
Now let me have that.
That's fool you clay that ship.
Then y'all don't watch these two niggas that move tonight.
Man, that's a while backcourt. That's right.
So now, speaking of your family, you gotta address for
your cousin.
Put some on bout wild name Man, your cousin Orlando.
That's my feeling for real.
That's my love. That's real Blue his cousins, that's like
f So he be tripping the time, Nigga, that's.
That's cry.
He said he was, and I think it was kaking.
Listen, man, he'd be wild trying to go wold.
That's my coaku.
Excuse my family. He has take life.
No no bato niggas.
Fade with Orlando.
I'm trying to save you from I know his niggas.
Bro.
If y'all see my cousin, Bro, you biggest he know, Bro, don't.
Beating hen Man, nobody anticipating.
Yeah, he be tweeting.
He ain't.
The fact that I know.
He told me he was gonna beat me here one day.
I said, run right, you gotta meet his.
Family. Bro, I gonna lie right the first time, I said, Man,
I want to know, I want to funk. It didn't
so bad shit with me. I swear to god, I
was hot at first, and then I'm like, what am
I gaming out.
Of this ship?
Like you beat t bro, don't worry about.
I'm like, what am I gonna gain out of nothing?
Like it's like you're gonna sue me? Like I help
getting nothing out of that ship? Then, Imeel, like the
people this man, you know that nigga crazy mother fuck
about you get no points off that nigga. Like so
it's like a lose lose either way it goes. So
I said, some ship you just gotted to. Let less
ship slide, But that nigga keep playing it.
I'm a polo.
I'm apologize because.
Keep playing Shah get him my lad Joe.
I'm gonna call him a knife man.
Over man.
He really gonna he really gonna beat my nigga up.
And it's like I.
Wondered, all right, he said, one more thing, I'm letting
this spot.
I'm gonna call him a knife man.
Let against say one more things.
You see it.
Granted, Michael, that would be tripping, but you know, you know,
honestly know the nigga.
The nigga really talented though, but no, and I said,
it's ractick, you know what I'm saying, Like the nigga's
really funny. Like I just feel like if somebody really
got a nigga real opportunity and put him in a situation,
a real active.
Situation that hell sean or a real movie role. I
don't a fight, just anything, you know what I'm saying.
I always said that ship.
Because if you know, motherfuck, it's actually funny. Though it
was actually funny. I give it to get my nigga together.
And may your cousin you you're talking, we get him together,
second customer.
Through marriage though.
Just keep it real, so I don't count nor.
Go ahead, and.
What's I don't know?
No, I want to talk to you about hubin though,
bro on the door. But did you play coming up?
Was that one of the things you.
Yeah, sports was first? Sports was first?
You know what I mean?
Just growing up to Columbus. You know, we got the
gust backer out there.
I know y'all know I'm playing in the gust back
a couple of times going up from there, we got
we got spacked up. We was terrible and I was
famous too. That's like first ibu about I went back
to the city, got of that ship. We got like,
are so hot as fuck? You know how that ship
is like a quarks They give you a map. You
gotta try Lokatero court like it was just too much.
But growing up for show like basketball was my everything.
Like I honestly felt like, damn, I I had a chance.
So I said, damn, a nigga is almost grown, and I.
Just stopped the brawl. It's just it's just not gonna
happen for me.
And then uh, I watched I saw Cherry Maguire and
I said, I know I can't play the game. I
could play, but I said, I know I probably can't
play physically, but I want to be a part of
the game somehow, you know what I mean.
And I said, damn, I want to be a sports
agent for sure.
Who was one of the coldest entertainers hooped up?
What right?
Prince?
Hey, I don't know, y'all probably heard stories.
I hate to keep Oh what's I hate to keep
bringing this nigga name up, but the first person because
I could say so many people that she was like this, Ah, yeah,
well we know he could play a bro that.
Nigga ar Kelly could play he good.
I don't care what nigga.
Hey, R Kelly is the greatest every from the shop.
Hey is it Robert?
Robert did that ship? R Kelly, let me tell you
something about this, stated on, Hey, look this is lady.
I know this shit gonna go everywhere because I don't
know nobody even told the story. I remember one time,
it's a funny ass ship, right this nigga. So this
nigga Chris, right this nigga called me the nigga bro
Brow called me like, yo, bro, what you're doing this weekend?
I said, nigg I got a studio session with R. Kelly.
That nigga Chris never met Kill. So he like, shit,
I'm free, nigga, I'm coming. Let go the gona fuck
with y'all. Man, I would have I want to meet it, Like,
I'm like cool, come on, come down. We're working on
I'm a flirt. So the nigga kills. It's probably like
one in the morning. Nigga like we're going to the jim.
We're about to play basketball right now, we're about to
go to the hip.
We really go to the gym.
It's proboubly two in the morning. I swear to gut.
I never seen niggas play five oh five, but it
was like playing five oh one because every time a
nigga got the rebound or kill seam is pastor the kills,
passa kills, passing the kills. Every time one of these
niggas gonna rebound, you had to pass the ball to
r my line, you got to pass it to this nigga.
And I'm talking about this nigga is walking up the
court shooting from half, then niggas rebounding it.
If you get it again, they kicking it back out
the art. Killer. I like, no way shooting you, he said,
is that? Yeah, said, you can listen kill.
I'm talking about the like like me and this nigga,
Me and this nigga breeze eve me in this basis,
like y'all, nobody gets shoot on this nigga team but him.
This nigga's incredible. But he wanted to topic and looked
up making the ship though.
That's what Yeah, so he going crazy right now and
if he did miss.
Now saying it like that, excuse this nigga.
Man, they play no funny ship.
Though, how is that working with him to the studio
because we don't get no all killing stories at all
on our ponds.
Man, the niggas are the musical fucking chane bro.
Like you know, shout out to a little Ronnie hen
One who produced Same Girl, and he did on the
flirt for us, and you know what I mean when
he did the record was at the house and I
was stuck like I did, like sometimes as writers and
rappers getting rids block, he writes so much ship that
she'll start rewriting the same.
Like what the fuck?
So I took a break. The nigga kills called like
like what you're feeling.
I'm like, man, shit, I know it's got to be
for the ladies, like it's me and you like, it's
got to be for the ladies. And I got you
give me, give me like fifteen minutes, motherfucker call back
and go it's a boy.
And I was like what nigga Like he said no, no, no, no, Noah,
it's a boy. It's a boy. I said what he said.
We got ahead and they support the nigga press play
on that motherfucker boom.
It was on a flirt, damn no cap Like in
ten to five minutes, the nigga did the hook, set
the back and the rest says.
That's just hard, bro.
She thought he was with a lot of people, bro,
get tons of people.
Tonus who the hardest worker you the s the hardest work,
right I seeing in the studio, or like the hardest
person to work with and the hardest working period.
Over this question, Actually, we.
Don't want you to tell on on the box, I
would probably say the motherfuckers that live in the studio.
Jermaine Dupre, he lives in the studio. Wayne time I
spent that cash one. Uh, Wayne is very reliable. You
can rely on Wayne. When I was at Cash twenty,
his room is room A.
I'm roll C.
If I'm working on some ship, I can go right
out in the parking lot, walk right over to the
other right ahead factory, give it a toll. Hey, I
need you on this. We ain't gonna question it. He
ain't gonna he only gonna says this is you gi
me on say less. He gonna find it. So I
swear to God that nigga gonna walk that bitch right
back over to you in ten minutes. And it's gonna
be probably one of the throwest verses you probably ever heard.
At least one, Oh.
Who else go crazy in the studio Chris Me and
Brown kind of worked saying like we gotta have some
party going on.
Like you know it ain't just like him. Yeah, like
like like I said, it's different, like like Wayne ain't.
Wayne ain't partied.
In the studio. Hold on, Bell, I don't want to
fucking the story.
Will go ahead.
Say what you was trying to say from Mother Hendricks experience,
Well say that first nigga do saying like this is
Chris Brown, and I ain't telling them what these niggas
is doing.
You're talking about this like you know, I don't want
to know this.
I just seen some reports outs today here.
What's the vibes though?
So y'all got ladies in there?
Yeah, it's just I think for any artist that's a
part of the life side, I really live a culture
that really lived.
And heat and breed.
This ship that we do, from the night life experience
to being on stage to just really inherited would come
with this type of ship. This energy me Chris and
and you know a drizzy it's certain niggas that got
that fan base. You know, my god, No, them niggas
got motion, like just straight motion. And our studio sessions
reflect that it's hard for me to make a female
having club record without with just being my engineering there,
Like we can't do this and the women be letting
me know what she ain't gonna let me know, just
about the vibing and the drinks going around, and they
repeat certain ship. I'm like, oh, yeah, we got us one.
You look at all look at all twenty of them,
every twenty, look at all twenty.
To look at it.
They dancing and hooka going and ship they fucking with this.
Hold on the Hendrid experience. Don't be like that all four.
So all four were to alright, I's front the guy.
Don't worry the talk after this, you know, but you're
thinking you gotta have them.
You gotta have them vibes, man, So you know that's
that's just me. I can't you know, certain records.
Ye, I don't want nobody in the stuper with, but
I'm about to get it cracking and make some popping
ship like A used me to track me a brown guy.
Yeah, it's hooga going on.
His Neflix shots going on, and it's just a five
like which is five and no.
For sure show definitely appreciation for real, Yes, most definite.
One time makes a noise about while pulling up to
the city.
One man, we outside that right, we outside?
Now where we might be here?
Yeah, moon in help me know.
Are you coming out tonight?
Yo?
Think a camera?
But ship.
I think so?
You you mean good?
That good said you had twenty following you now, But
that's a meat on that.
Ain't you just there?
You're not a feather fly?
I got.
Hey when a nigga do this.
And the boy you like?
I like being there.
Gott you got a millennium to her. I'm just I
wanna be out.
She's gonna be out way, so that wash we outside
the night.
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slash audio, Who was your.
Best point Guard? Mess up John Stockton by far. He
was just a little bit more crafty. Everybody thought he
was dirty, but we was just stupid. We just didn't
know how to plane. It took me six years of
figuring him out. And then when I figured him out,
when we beat him in the Western Conference finals.
I figured him out.
I figured out I can't keep doing the same thing
I do with him and try to overmatch him. I
gotta play the same way he played, and I gotta
just every time I pound him, he'll fall and take
a charge. Then I started saying, no, I know he
gonna hit. He gonna think I'm hit him twice, but
I'm gonna hit him one time, and the I'm gonna
step off, and then he shoots a jumper in his
face and do everything and then face him up and
go around him.
He couldn't deal with.
Me that day.
And then when I figured him out, it was a
little bit different. And then, you know, like everybody know today,
I idolized him a lot. You know what I'm saying.
He's like one of my best friends, and you know,
and it was just I really love playing against players
like that, you know what I'm saying, Because you got
me more of an IQ of the game, and John
Stock and Jim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, Rod Stricklandkie Blaylock, people
like that. I wanted to play against men, you know
what I'm saying, because they gave me more game and
maybe more of a better basketball player.
For sure.
We got to talk about Oakland, like we said, you
know what I'm saying, it's a lot of talented point
guards come out of Oakland.
Uh.
Obviously y'all had a conversation recently on another podcast, and
y'all was talking about top guards in Oakland, and we
brung up Dame Lillard, Jason Kidd and you and I
went with Dane, that's my that's my class. That's the
guys I grew up playing against. I think Simba said
simber Symbol might have he said he everybody else says you,
and I've seen what you said your response. I love
for you to elaborate a little more response.
It made sense to me.
I see the og ship.
Yah, but you where you really start because obviously, yeah, dang,
my guy. You know, Dame, that's our guy. But when
you start breaking down, like hold on, I averaged twenty points.
The simple it was over there said like, yeah, because
people forget.
Any highest what you're said. People forgot how I score.
People think about my defense. Yeah, y'all got to understand, man,
I was scoring like for eight traight years, I was
scoring over twenty points a game, you know what I'm saying,
And then I was getting down, locking down people and
then averaging eight assist in three steals.
Gotta understand that that that's that's where the game goes.
And people don't understand I scored over like twenty one
thousand point People forget that.
Yeah, overscore. They they overlooked that.
But what I say is about my two youngsters, right, Jay,
I raised him. You know what I'm saying, y'all gotta understand.
Jay didn't start scoring into the years of his career, right.
So if we break it down, Jay is a better
PASSWORD than me. You feel what I'm saying. Defender he's not.
You know what I'm saying. Scor he is not. But
he's a great IQ guy. You know what I'm saying.
Dame is my youngster. You know what I'm saying. We
can't put Dame in that.
Situation right now because he's not fulfilled all the things
that he's done. But he's made his mark on the
NBA as a shooting and scoring and Dame is a
little bit different to point guard than us, you know
what I'm saying, because his error came a little different.
It's about scoring here now, it's not about passing the
ball getting the other people into the game. Jason was
a better rebounder than both of us, you know what
I'm saying, So it's a little bit different than what
we do. Dame didn't steal the ball like we stole
the ball, so it's a little different than what we're
talking about. Eras it's an era thing.
I get everybody has their.
Opinion about a lot of stuff. But I just say
where front from Oakland, you know what I'm saying. And
she agreed. We breathe that, and thats just the way
we're different.
I'm the o G.
You know what I'm saying. So we did a little different.
You guys didn't watch me as much, but you just
know who I am.
You know what I'm saying. Y'all watch me as much.
Now you are. It'll be like that. But it was
like you.
Is like.
I played.
I played against hy and I understand that.
I always tell people it's about an era what y'all did.
That's why I don't like people to ask me about
a goat, because a goat ain't gonna work for me
because y'all didn't play at the same time as each other.
So I can't tell you about a goat. You know
what I'm saying. All of us was good.
You feel what I'm saying, So you just think about stats.
That's why people go with a goat. They think about stats.
They say, oh, you want this, mean you want that?
Man?
But did he play against him? Did he get down
at him like that?
Now?
They didn't.
Then too many plagugainst Larry Byrd, one of the coldest
little motherfuckers I ever seen him on what you're talking about?
You know what I'm just saying. Man, You know we
didn't play against Wilt Chamblin and Kareem or Dul Jabbar
who couldn't stop a skyhook, and and and Will Chamblin.
Everybody bringing Will Chamblin's records. Feel me.
They bringing all these records and they talk about, well
he was in the seas or whatever, Well he was
twenty two twenty one. Silva's the same. You know what
I'm saying, So we don't do goats here, man, I
don't you know what I'm saying.
I don't do goats.
So, but what the point guard thing in Oakland, them
three was pretty good. We were us three was pretty
damn play basketball, and we and two of us is
in the Hall of Fame in top seventy five. Dame
is already on the top seven five. He's gonna be
in the Hall of Fame. We're doing the thing.
You know, Dame might be might score more points in
both of us, but it is what it is, you
know what I'm saying.
And I think when they go to New York and
say that stuff about the point gods, you know, we
got the point gods over here and this West.
It's another. It's a trio like that. L A l
A got some point going top seventy five.
But I'm saying, if the two made the top seventy five,
b d is is my youngster, which if he would
have got hurt, he would have been you know what
I'm saying. But if we all three, if we played
them three and have been about yes, don't understand understand
though Paul Pierce is from Oakland, California, too, he was
born in Oaklen, California, So we got another top.
Yeah, Paul, where's that?
You know?
Paul Piers and grew up around around the corner from me.
I grew up with his brother and now he was
moly when he was eleven the pall Now, yeah, I
tell you at him like he ain't no l a boy.
He grew up.
Eleven.
So let me let me break it down. That's the
way the game go, you feel. So, yeah, So we
got a lot of top seventy five.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
So you was who like showed you the way coming
up in Oakland, Like who put the ball in your hands?
My daddy really real, you guys, my daddy coach everybody.
We're talking a everybody. Every one of these guys, y'all.
Y'all were talking about my daddy coaching and touched hands
on So they brought me into that. I really I
really idolized George Gervin, who is my stepdad now like
my step pops to.
Now, but that's coming up in the hood, and OK,
my daddy.
Was the one who put hands on me and touched me,
you know, and he touched a lot of them me
coach Jay. You know, Dame came a little too later
because he was in the later, but he played against
my daddy and my daddy's teens and stuff like that.
But that was it.
You know.
You gotta understand.
We had b Shaw, Yeah, Antonio Davis there, Greg Falls,
we had all them. Cliff Robinson at the player y'all forgot.
Bill Russell was from Oakland. Paul Solis is from Oakland.
He didn'et have a lot of basketball.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
You know that, don't part about that. This that's Pops. Yeah,
in the city.
Bro, everybody heard heard about his dad a lot.
Man.
He reminds me of my dad a lot. Your dad
reminds me of my dad a lot. And my dad
did the same thing. So but you know, it wasn't
just about basketball, my pops.
My pops, you score around the schools and DC dudes
shooting dice over there, say, oh go there go my
Daddy's they they're gon.
Miss Page's white white escalator.
Well whatever, whatever, man, Let's jump over the fence and
get up body here, man, because he's gonna get at us.
You know what I'm saying. My daddy put life in
a lot of people.
Man.
He told him how to cook, told him how to
do every other things.
And that's what I thought about why I went into
coaching now while I coach you young guys now, because
I want to make them men. Everybody ain't gonna make
it in basketball or profession. They got to understand that
their lives is been more and more than sports. Their
life is everything because they're gonna be a parent at
one time too, and you've got to graide somebody. And
that's what I always tell them, And that's what that's
why I got into coaching, because I want to tell
them that and understand that you can't always be.
Who you want to be, but you can be who
you want to be a different work in a different aspect.
You know what I'm saying.
You could be a lawyer, doctor or whatever and make
an impact on anybody's life.
And we got to understand that.
Yeah, and that's what I will tell you as well.
Big him up. He coaches the alma mater, you know
what I'm saying.
So the impact you have on them kids, not even
from a basketball standpoint, just show like you can be
something in life where you can move like you can
have these morals and be successful other avenues. Is very
important because we don't got that much representation our community.
Absolutely, and that's what we got to always be big
on when my daddy gave it to me, but then
God told him to pass it on to me and
keep it going, you know what I'm saying, because we
got to catch these young kids because his mental health
stuff is really killing us right now.
They don't know how to respond to people and say, Yo,
I know you helping me. Let me let you help me.
Let me tell you about my situation.
Because I can get a lot of these kids out
of these situations and get them into some help programs
and do the things that they have to do. But
you have to give them some support because none of
them really grew.
Up like that.
They only grew up with a mama. Me and Jeff
grew up with a daddy. See, our daddy was a
big partner life. Most of the people didn't grow up
with the pops like that. So we got to understand that.
And most of my guys who I did, didn't grow
up with dad.
He's like that.
They grow up mamas where they can go on the
streets and do whatever they wanted to do any time
of their life. And my daddy was there to take
take responsibilities for him. So we have to understand that.
So we got to give them that support, got to
get into it.
I definitely want to ask you to uh Sean Kent
from our state. He's Indiana, you know what I mean?
Our court Indiana, Indiana.
Yeah for sure, right man, you know, I know all
of us want to ask you, man, how was that?
Playing with him?
Man? Like that was crazy? Crazy? What turn this out?
Listen, man, let me let me tell you all about that.
Everybody talk about this Live City.
No no disrespect to uh CP and them and all that.
We were the first ones with Love City. Me and
Sean was the first one to get it like that,
you know what I mean? With him for seven years
was amazing. Me and him are partners now in the
cannabis business and all that stuff I see shot on
a regular basis. Man, and playing with him and becoming
a friend with him is more important than that. That's
how a chemistry comes together, and that's how we did it.
And people just don't understand. I think, and I always
tell Shannas I said, if we wouldn't have got our
ego messed up, and his ego messed up. If he
would have stayed with me more years, he'll be a
Hall of Fame by now, you know what I'm saying,
because we'd have made a bigger dynasty.
Than what we did. We were one of the two
one of the greatest duos ever played with each other.
And what I think, and I'm trying to get him
in the Hall of Fame now for what he's done
with me, you know what I'm saying. So I just
think I had a blessing to play with a person
with that much talent because I can just throw the
ball up to him and he would go get it anywhere.
But people don't understand how good he was with the
basketball and shooting in the Midchigan in the mid in
the mid range game, and it's back to the basket.
He was a beast, you know what I'm saying. And
so people didn't really understand that about how much freak
ability he had. Man, you feel what I'm saying. He
had a freak ability that nobody really really knew.
That he had.
But if you see it every time y'all watch the
highlights of all our games, he did some stuff that
was so incredible to me.
Man.
I used to be like, Wow, you know I'm playing
with this this dude.
We used to see the lobs doing Yeah.
Yeah. I usually you always He's always telling me, Man,
give me a challenge today. Man, throw it somewhere where
I own. You don't think I'm gonna go get it?
And I was just throwing up there and He'll go
get it.
Was that instant chemistry though, it was.
It was what happened was in eighty nine.
I was in college and he was just coming out
right and Sonny's drafted him and they wanted the point guard.
And then Bernie Bickerstaff seen me and he said, I
think this is a kid that we're gonna get.
So he started telling Sean to watch me, and Sean
I started watching me, and I was in college.
They hit me in every now and then, and then
they they didn't have a chance to get me at all,
you know what I'm saying. And then all of a
sudden they food around and didn't make the playoffs and
then got lottery and.
Their balls was a chance of what Dallas was this year.
They get the cool flags.
Their chances with twelve percent to get the number two
pick or the number one pick, and they food.
Around and got the number two picks.
Wow, you asked, and I knew I wasn't gonna go
no lord and one or two and New Jersey wanted me,
but they wanted a point guard and a big man,
and Derrick Coleman was coming out, and then Kenny andershonw
was gonna come out next year. So I went and
told him, don't draft me. You can get Kenny the
next year. So I wanted to go to Seattle. So
they drafted Derrick Coleman and then I went.
I went number two to Seattle.
Yeah, so he was a part of the boys ship early.
Yeah, that.
Ain't real, bro, Ain't no way Dallas get that big.
It happens, man, hey.
Man, they crucified my boy and man man because he
he traded Luca Man. But you know, a sudden, the
batn't even worse when all the mamas got all them
injuries and all of a sudden, big back bank. No know,
I went into one of them all crazy man, pay
ten dollars and got a lottery. What I do I
get hit for the bill.
Got the boy boy boy man. Listen, that's one of
my favorite NBA moments. Man that they showing that Dravrom. Yes,
I'm like they cheating.
Man, ain't no way supposed to have, no way it's
supposed to happen.
I knew he was going to a whack team, was
a team that was going to be losing, And all
of a sudden, I said, Man, you hit the lot
at the lottery and hit the lot.
And then those teams are at the bottom of the lottery.
He their chances were z it's.
Not fair that zero Dallas to get that pick and
they went to the finals. Last year.
That was they was in the finals. They lost the
Boston You feel what I'm saying. But you know what
I feel for my boy j Kidd as a head coach,
I love it. And then I feel for Nico Man.
Nico was my rep at Nike. That's like a little
brother than me.
Man.
He always looked up to me like that. So I
feel for him because what he took. You know what
I'm saying.
People don't understand. He's the president general manager. He can't
make them calls on his own. Owner has to make
that call. He can't just say I'll make the call
because he's gonna get he's going to get fired. So
all you fans out there messing out of him like that,
get up out of here with that. It wasn't his call,
man to make that decision. He made a decision on
what he was told to do or what it was
it was supposed to be done, and that's what they did.
So I'm happy for him. What's gonna happen.
You get Kyrie back after this injury, man, which he'll
probably come back in January or something like that, and
they'll be rolling.
They'll make it up there, make a thing ad come back.
What it is, Get all the guys get healthy, because
if they whole team get healthy, it's gonna be a beast.
That it's gonna be a beast.
Speaking of the finals, and we all watched the last dance,
I want to ask you on this show, how did
they feel knowing you going to the finals against Michael Jordan.
In ninety six? That was great man. You remember I
got on I got on the cover of Sports illustrating
and saying mission impossible. I just want the defensive Player
of the year, first point guard they ever do it,
and it was just something but people didn't know I
got hurt. I tore my calf muscle, and I really
would and couldn't move. What I did was I went
in there, and they found a solution. They found a
little miracle, miracle thing to do. They got my leg better.
I wrapped it up a little bit, and then all
of a sudden, you know, it's a miracle, you know.
So then I started playing and I started feeling better
and better and better. Then we got down too much
and then I just start saying, let me guard it.
And he was averaging thirty three at the time, and
then I started making it a pest for him. I
started making it a pets for him, and then I
broke it down to twenty three. And then what coaches do?
They knew I started becoming a problem, so they had
to make to solve the problem.
What do you do?
You solve the problem? So Jordan was taking it personal
with me, which I wanted to happen.
And then you know, Phil Jackson said, nah, let me
put somebody bigger on him and distract him and make
it a problem for him, and he put Pipping on me.
And Pipping is a bigger player than me. He was
six seven, he could be he's mobile. He was there
and it was taking a toll on me. It took
a real toll on me to try to score and
guard Jordan at the same time.
And it took a toll on me.
And then by the time the sixth game came, we
had broke it down the three to two. That sixth
game came on, I got a little fatigue, you know
what I'm saying, and they took us out. You know
what I'm saying.
It is what it is. It just took us out
of the game.
But it was just good Buffy who fast to see that, Like,
that's a hell of a matchup, like to hold y'all
against one of the players that we called it go
Like you said, that situation, that just got.
To be dope for you in that moment. It's like,
I'm here, you know what.
It was easy for me because of my mindset. I
thought it was always I wanted to play against all
the time. You remember, they were seventy two and ten,
we were sixty four and eighteen. Y'all forgot that we
were the number two team in the league at the time,
and we beat him. We beat him out of that
one tent out of that ten. So it was like
I just wanted the competition. I just wanted to play
the beast. You know what I'm saying.
I don't straight away from nobody.
Man. When I was played, my daddy always showed me, Man,
if your leg ain't broken in off, get on the
floor and get it.
And that's what I did. I just went and got it.
And he was always the one to take the competitive
to me.
I love it.
Yeah, Well, how did you respond when you see him laugh?
Like?
I know you compare. You probably was laughing too, I
laugh right.
I said it is. I wouldn't even Jeff wouldn't even
respected him if he didn't say that.
Yeah, I wouldn't even respected him to say anything like that,
unless because it's his it's his documentary.
Yeah, I don't care.
Man.
We all knew what the game was and was whoever whatever,
it's good, we knew what it was.
Nah.
Listen, man, o g We are honored. Man. We appreciate
you pulling up on this. Man, it's been a pleasure.
Listen.
Man, we can't wait. Some things in the works, man,
we can't wait to see that happens.
Man.
We ain't gonna say too much.
You know what I'm saying, Yes, you know I got it.
I got it all. Get you know what I'm saying.
I'm gonna get it man. Anytime y'all want me on
this five twenty club.
I'm with y'all.
Man, do it a club five twenty Man, y'are doing
a great job.
I told you. I respect y'all to the fullest.
Man.
This is what I want to see and young guys
like y'all.
Man get it.
Man, do what y'all want to do. Man, and they always. Man,
set a mark for yourself.
Man.
Always when you leave something especial with you, Jeffy playing
in the league, do your thing. Man, keep doing this
with your boys. Hook it up, man, do it and
tell y'all need me.
Hella Mobile Club five twenty out. I appreciate it.
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