Xbox Lays Off 650 More Gaming Emplyees

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we have a lot to get into, so
<v Speaker 2>let's start the Morning Mess with Xbox cuts six hundred
<v Speaker 2>and fifty more gaming jobs, but no studios closed or
<v Speaker 2>games canceled. This is from Eddie McCoo at GameSpot. Microsoft
<v Speaker 2>has implemented another round of heavy cuts to its Xbox
<v Speaker 2>gaming team following the acquisition of Activision Blizzard. In this
<v Speaker 2>latest round of layoffs, Microsoft is eliminating around six hundred
<v Speaker 2>and fifty positions from its gaming team, but no additional
<v Speaker 2>studios have closed. No other games have been canceled as
<v Speaker 2>a result of these moves, which Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil
<v Speaker 2>Spencer confirmed on September twelfth. In January, Microsoft cut one
<v Speaker 2>nine hundred gaming positions, bringing the number of cuts to
<v Speaker 2>the company to about two thousand, five hundred and fifty
<v Speaker 2>since the seventy five point four billion dollars deal to
<v Speaker 2>buy Activision Blizzard closed in October twenty twenty three. In
<v Speaker 2>a memo to staff obtained by IGN, Spencer said the
<v Speaker 2>cuts came as part of Microsoft's effort to align the
<v Speaker 2>company's post acquisition team structure and managing our business. They
<v Speaker 2>just want to save money. They got people doing these
<v Speaker 2>jobs already. They want to save money by cutting out
<v Speaker 2>Redundancy happens every time. Of course it's happening again, but god,
<v Speaker 2>it's such big numbers.
<v Speaker 1>Every time.
<v Speaker 2>Another six hundred and fifty human being and their families
<v Speaker 2>now disrupted by this yet another sort of acquisition coming
<v Speaker 2>in like a wrecking ball. And these companies are not
<v Speaker 2>really thinking long term, right.
<v Speaker 1>No, absolutely not.
<v Speaker 3>I mean for the company as a whole, and like
<v Speaker 3>their portfolio, what it's going to look like to make
<v Speaker 3>this gigantic acquisition. Sure, great, that's a lot of money
<v Speaker 3>being thrown down. I know, Scout, I am also upset
<v Speaker 3>by the news.
<v Speaker 1>But.
<v Speaker 3>They I'm sure both sides Activision that was going to
<v Speaker 3>get acquired, and Microsoft knew that this was coming, and
<v Speaker 3>maybe putting hoping for the inevitable, to put off the
<v Speaker 3>inevitable of like layoffs happening, not justifying layoffs at all.
<v Speaker 3>It's just incredibly unfortunate that within Microsoft Alane grub to
<v Speaker 3>get two thousand plus and if this is the temperature
<v Speaker 3>that is happening right now, I can't imagine what could
<v Speaker 3>we could possibly see for the rest of the year
<v Speaker 3>for Microsoft. Yeah, I'm also curious, you know, I feel like,
<v Speaker 3>you know, Phil Spencer has always been a very public
<v Speaker 3>facing persona for Microsoft, and right before the summer he
<v Speaker 3>kind of shied away from that. He did make an
<v Speaker 3>appearance at packs, right, I'm curious to see what this
<v Speaker 3>means for Microsoft's presence in the public eye for the
<v Speaker 3>rest of the year. Like Game Awards is gonna come
<v Speaker 3>up in December. Do they hope that other news is
<v Speaker 3>just gonna sweep this all under the rug, or are
<v Speaker 3>they just gonna wait and fire that last salvo of
<v Speaker 3>like layoffs later in the year.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's I mean, it does feel like now
<v Speaker 2>he has You're right, we're gone into the shadows a
<v Speaker 2>little bit, and now is only coming out when there's
<v Speaker 2>bad news.
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, well, that doesn't seem like a good
<v Speaker 1>strategy either.
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, I get that he's the one that
<v Speaker 2>has to take responsibility for these things, so he's got
<v Speaker 2>to come out and say the bad news. But you
<v Speaker 2>don't know if the if the idea was like let's
<v Speaker 2>let the games speak for them elves a little bit,
<v Speaker 2>Well that's.
<v Speaker 1>Not happening either.
<v Speaker 2>So you know, not that I care about like how
<v Speaker 2>people are perceiving Microsoft or it's leadership all that much,
<v Speaker 2>but it's like it's kind of thing where it's like,
<v Speaker 2>what are you guys thinking over there? Like you were
<v Speaker 2>talking for so much you kind of you were the
<v Speaker 2>app in company. You'd be out there always pointing out
<v Speaker 2>all these things were happen all the time.
<v Speaker 1>And then and then you.
<v Speaker 2>Realize that had that has officially backfired a little bit,
<v Speaker 2>and now you're out here having to like only come
<v Speaker 2>out sayd why you're laying people off. So it continues
<v Speaker 2>to be a bad look for them. You know why
<v Speaker 2>why does this stuff happen? I mean, they say it,
<v Speaker 2>and it's like we just got to keep believing them
<v Speaker 2>when they talk. I Mean, he says in this thing,
<v Speaker 2>with these changes, our corporate and supporting teams and resources
<v Speaker 2>are aligned for sustainable future growth and can better support
<v Speaker 2>our studio teams and business units with programs and resources
<v Speaker 2>that can scale to meet their needs. I mean, just
<v Speaker 2>like all these companies, and just like we've been saying
<v Speaker 2>on this show and other shows for a long time,
<v Speaker 2>they these companies are wondering where the growth is going
<v Speaker 2>to come from, and when they're in this position of
<v Speaker 2>it's hard to borrow money and it's and there's not
<v Speaker 2>a lot like happening in terms of being able to
<v Speaker 2>release huge game after a huge game very quickly. The
<v Speaker 2>growth comes from, on paper, spending less money on labor,
<v Speaker 2>and so they're gonna and like they have to cut
<v Speaker 2>these jobs to make it look like they're growing because
<v Speaker 2>that's what their investors need to see.
<v Speaker 1>And here we are yet again grub.
<v Speaker 3>Would it have the same effect if someone in a
<v Speaker 3>higher role, perhaps Phil Spencer, someone similar to Phil Spencer
<v Speaker 3>were to take a pay cut would that affect the
<v Speaker 3>numbers and improve them just as much as laying off
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of people would.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I would imagine that there's probably not.
<v Speaker 2>It would take far fewer pay cuts probably to get
<v Speaker 2>to the same number pretty quickly. I mean, I don't
<v Speaker 2>know what the management structure and Activision Blister looked like.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it was a mess for sure. Leading up
<v Speaker 2>to the acquisition, like starting with the pandemic and leading
<v Speaker 2>into the acquisition actually happening, Activision Blister did hire a
<v Speaker 2>lot of people. They hired a ton of people. Their
<v Speaker 2>head count grew drastically. So a lot of this is
<v Speaker 2>just like a car racing forward and getting ready to
<v Speaker 2>hit a little bit of a wall of They're hiring
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of people, and these are almost certainly going
<v Speaker 2>to be jobs that could be covered by this new
<v Speaker 2>acquisition once once it happens. But you know, Activision Blitter
<v Speaker 2>can't operate under the like when they when that was happening.
<v Speaker 2>They couldn't operate under the assumption that the acquisition was
<v Speaker 2>going to go through and and hiring people was much
<v Speaker 2>more affordable than when when interest rates were still low.
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, so this always felt like inevitable to a
<v Speaker 2>certain degree, but it doesn't make it suck any less.
<v Speaker 2>And it's it just begs the question of like, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>you keep cutting jobs. You're looking for growth, and that's
<v Speaker 2>your excuse, you know, as much of an excuse as
<v Speaker 2>that is, Like what do we care if you're growing?
<v Speaker 2>That has really nothing to do with us. And when
<v Speaker 2>you're out here staying like, oh, we're aligned for future growth,
<v Speaker 2>you're He's not speaking to anyone who's listening to the show,
<v Speaker 2>really people who care about the games and playing those
<v Speaker 2>games and having good games made by good people.
<v Speaker 1>So it is just this.
<v Speaker 2>Vapid, soulless corporation once a getting out here, Sam hey
<v Speaker 2>for our own investors the thing that really matters to us,
<v Speaker 2>And I think that it's getting really old at this point.
<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, I you know it.
<v Speaker 3>At first, it seemed a nice tidbit of this news
<v Speaker 3>that studios aren't closing, But then I imagine those studios
<v Speaker 3>are going to be filled with short term contractors and
<v Speaker 3>that is going to hamper the overall product of whatever
<v Speaker 3>they're developing, and that grub is just going to lead
<v Speaker 3>to further losses down the line of like quality of
<v Speaker 3>the game. There's going to have to make a bunch
<v Speaker 3>of compromises because hey, we lost all these people that
<v Speaker 3>really knew what to do with these tools. And not
<v Speaker 3>that there's anything wrong with these new people, but there
<v Speaker 3>has to be a whole process of onboarding them, getting
<v Speaker 3>them acclimated to working with the tools that it just
<v Speaker 3>feels dour across the board looking forward.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, You've got to wonder if it's when they were
<v Speaker 2>doing the round of nineteen hundred layoffs. I wonder if
<v Speaker 2>they in their head they're like, Okay, maybe this will
<v Speaker 2>be everything and we can get on the other side
<v Speaker 2>of this and began building up some positive momentum in
<v Speaker 2>terms of public relations and how people feel about the
<v Speaker 2>acquisition and feel about our games. And is this like
<v Speaker 2>a sign that things are worse than we know. I
<v Speaker 2>think there's a chance, especially with you know, the Xbox
<v Speaker 2>console sales being in a weird in between place of
<v Speaker 2>people aren't really sure why they're out why they should
<v Speaker 2>be out there buying the console and the games kind
<v Speaker 2>of like fluctuating between being locked down to the console
<v Speaker 2>and going to other places. Microsoft clearly looking for ways
<v Speaker 2>to make more money from these projects, and it's like
<v Speaker 2>always that is that also not enough and you had
<v Speaker 2>you had to do this, or is this more of
<v Speaker 2>a like, Okay, well, we've continued to look at at
<v Speaker 2>the numbers, and we've looked at these jobs, and this
<v Speaker 2>really is just doubling up in redundant jobs, and we
<v Speaker 2>have people doing this work already. And again, either way,
<v Speaker 2>it sucks. Either way, this is a huge number of
<v Speaker 2>people being affected by this. I guess what I'm getting
<v Speaker 2>at is, does it, like you were saying earlier, does
<v Speaker 2>this continue through the rest of this year? Does this
<v Speaker 2>continue into twenty twenty five where people are like, hey,
<v Speaker 2>let's survive to twenty twenty five, things are gonna could
<v Speaker 2>turn around. Then if this, you know, we get it
<v Speaker 2>to early next year and there's another round of layoffs
<v Speaker 2>like this, which feels significantly possible. At this point, I
<v Speaker 2>think this industry is going to like kind of wake
<v Speaker 2>up and go, oh man, we were fooling ourselves. Things
<v Speaker 2>actually aren't going to get that much better. And it
<v Speaker 2>could like Domino and Microsoft could set off a bunch
<v Speaker 2>of other studios to be like, okay, even Microsoft can't
<v Speaker 2>make this work. We got to start laying people off
<v Speaker 2>as well. It's a scary proposition.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't bode well for anyone.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Oh crap makes me, It makes my tummy hurt. Yep,
<v Speaker 1>it's it's so very frustrating. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Again, they're saying these jobs are corporate and supporting teams,
<v Speaker 2>and god, that is a black box. Like we have
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of insight into the studios, the people
<v Speaker 2>that actually like make the corporate structures work and connect
<v Speaker 2>these studios together and all that stuff. They never really
<v Speaker 2>show us what's happening there. Those people are never named.
<v Speaker 2>You know, they probably show up in the credits of
<v Speaker 2>these games, but it is like hard to piece together like, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>where are you working? So it's gonna be very hard
<v Speaker 2>for us to put our finger on the pulse of
<v Speaker 2>this and figure out, okay, is this now?
<v Speaker 1>Is this truly aligned.
<v Speaker 2>For future growth the way that you need it to
<v Speaker 2>be so that we don't have to do another one
<v Speaker 2>of these goddamn headlines.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I remember, like the one one of the
<v Speaker 3>positives we were hoping for with this merger is that
<v Speaker 3>you know, there would be better management and folks would
<v Speaker 3>not at Activision, Blizzard would have to deal with less
<v Speaker 3>you know, harassment than they were originally dealing with under
<v Speaker 3>the old regime. It is definitely not a better trade
<v Speaker 3>off if there if they don't have to deal with that,
<v Speaker 3>But they get fired. And I can only imagine being
<v Speaker 3>one of those Activision Blizzard employees hoping for the best
<v Speaker 3>of like this transition being handled well, and unfortunately just
<v Speaker 3>seeing team members across the board, if not themselves, get
<v Speaker 3>let go. And the worst part is Greb, like you said,
<v Speaker 3>families are completely being uprooted across the world.
<v Speaker 1>These people are going to leave the industry, like you know,
<v Speaker 1>after maths. Just that's that story. But we've heard that
<v Speaker 1>for a.
<v Speaker 2>Long time about people just kind of they get laid
<v Speaker 2>off enough times from video game the video game business,
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, I gotten this business in the first
<v Speaker 2>place because of some passion and willingness to.
<v Speaker 1>Take some risks because I.
<v Speaker 2>Wanted to work in games, and now I have a
<v Speaker 2>mortgage in a family and those risks, you know, And
<v Speaker 2>I've seen the you know, the sausage factory. Now that
<v Speaker 2>passion has been stamped out and I'm going to go
<v Speaker 2>work at a bank. And it's like, who blames them?
<v Speaker 2>I don't, I don't, yep, all right, Moving along here,
<v Speaker 2>PS five disk drive is selling out online after PS
<v Speaker 2>five pro reveal. This is from zax wysen a Kotaku. Hey, Jan,
<v Speaker 2>I was I was out for this. I think you
<v Speaker 2>were out for this. Seven hundred dollars for that thing.
<v Speaker 1>Huh.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we were both out for this, and then I
<v Speaker 3>remember seeing the price in thinking why. I also though
<v Speaker 3>I remembered one game mess Mornings m A Fife. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>seven hundred dollars yep, and right on the money. So
<v Speaker 3>I'm just never gonna bet against m A Fife ever
<v Speaker 3>be against Fife.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely not. Yeah, it's uh. We were in a meeting
<v Speaker 2>earlier this week and I think someone's like said six
<v Speaker 2>fifty and Beckler is like, no way, that's too high.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, Backler, I don't know, man, I'm getting I'm
<v Speaker 2>thinking it could be even higher. Let's see, I was
<v Speaker 2>just talking to m A Fife. She told me seven hundred.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's like, I it was.
<v Speaker 2>So easy to be like those numbers are just too
<v Speaker 2>high at like at first glance, and then when you
<v Speaker 2>like start thinking about all the factors that go into
<v Speaker 2>these companies pricing things, it's like, wait a second, why
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't they charge seven hundred dollars? And one of the
<v Speaker 2>reasons they would not not charge seven hundred dollars is
<v Speaker 2>this disk drive thing is already selling out. This system
<v Speaker 2>is going to sell out as well. Yesterday, Sony officially
<v Speaker 2>unbuild the PlayStation five Pro after months of rumors and leaks.
<v Speaker 2>The souped up console will cost seven hundred dollars, let
<v Speaker 2>you play mini games at higher frame rates, but does
<v Speaker 2>it come excuse me with a disk drive? The last
<v Speaker 2>part has seemingly led to a lot of people buying
<v Speaker 2>up the PS five disk drive, leading in turn to
<v Speaker 2>console accessories selling out. The console accessory selling out on
<v Speaker 2>many sites. On September tenth, Sony announced the PS five
<v Speaker 2>Pro and the reaction was a lot of people going
<v Speaker 2>Holy monkey, seven hundred dollars, mixed with people going wait,
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't come with a disk drive.
<v Speaker 1>Nope.
<v Speaker 2>Like the Xbox Series S A PS five Digital Edition,
<v Speaker 2>the PS five Pro does it include a disk drive,
<v Speaker 2>But Sony does offer an optional optical drive that you
<v Speaker 2>could buy for about eighty dollars and slap onto your
<v Speaker 2>PS five and this drive will also work with the
<v Speaker 2>PS five Pro. In the twenty four hours since the
<v Speaker 2>PS five Pro's official reveal, it has become harder to
<v Speaker 2>buy a PS five Blu ray drive. Currently, Amazon, best Buy,
<v Speaker 2>and Target are all sold out. Over at Walmart, according
<v Speaker 2>to the Stores Tracker, one hundred plus people have bought
<v Speaker 2>a PS five drive in the last day or so.
<v Speaker 2>Around another two hundred plus people have had it in
<v Speaker 2>their cart currently. Meanwhile, on Amazon, the PS five disk
<v Speaker 2>drive is the fifth best selling video game related item,
<v Speaker 2>and it's currently out selling fiscal copies of Astrobot.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I think, for one, people are worried, so they're rushing
<v Speaker 2>to get this thing, so they were probably expecting something
<v Speaker 2>like this to happen. But I think that there's people
<v Speaker 2>that just want the newest thing, the newest, best thing,
<v Speaker 2>no matter what, and they want to have all the
<v Speaker 2>options when they do get that thing. So here they
<v Speaker 2>are spending essentially in the United States at least around
<v Speaker 2>eight hundred dollars to get this console all once they're
<v Speaker 2>all in.
<v Speaker 1>It is absolutely insane.
<v Speaker 3>Jeff Grubb, you know I am not in sit in
<v Speaker 3>purchase purchasing a disc drive for a PS five Pro.
<v Speaker 3>If I were to get a PS five Pro, just
<v Speaker 3>because everything I consume now is digital, which isn't the
<v Speaker 3>best I will admit, I wonder how much of this
<v Speaker 3>are people perhaps trying to flip them after the fact.
<v Speaker 2>There's definitely going to be some of that, but that's like,
<v Speaker 2>where does that come from? That comes from receive demand,
<v Speaker 2>which is likely actual demand. So that's all the same
<v Speaker 2>thing at the end of the day, which is I
<v Speaker 2>mean that goes back to why this thing is seven
<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars in the first place, because the PS five
<v Speaker 2>was a frequently like flipped item early on. Oh yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and it was done that way because people were willing
<v Speaker 2>to pay a higher price to be able to get
<v Speaker 2>access to that thing. And Sony saw the data and
<v Speaker 2>they're like, we could have just had that money ourselves.
<v Speaker 2>Why did we do this? We should have just priced
<v Speaker 2>this thing at least six hundred, but probably seven hundreds
<v Speaker 2>is what they came away thinking. And now here we
<v Speaker 2>are they're doing exactly that. So yeah, I think there's
<v Speaker 2>probably a lot of scalpers showing up to buy this
<v Speaker 2>thing right now. Uh, but I think they are right
<v Speaker 2>in guessing that the demand for this thing will be
<v Speaker 2>there because you know, I was casually talking to some
<v Speaker 2>people when this thing was happening, and multiple people said
<v Speaker 2>I should go buy that Distrive. This is before we
<v Speaker 2>knew it was selling out. I should go get that
<v Speaker 2>distry right now. So I think I think they're onto
<v Speaker 2>something there.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I also wonder if this is this is people
<v Speaker 3>realizing how hard it was to get a PS five
<v Speaker 3>initially and thinking like, well, I got to beat the
<v Speaker 3>heat in everything and and prepare for the scalpers ahead
<v Speaker 3>of time, so I will just get this component for
<v Speaker 3>a PS five down the line there you mentioned Greb,
<v Speaker 3>like people just want to get the hottest new tech
<v Speaker 3>and everything, and it's it's just so interesting and so funny.
<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's because like I have the new iPhone and
<v Speaker 3>I'm fine with it, and I have a PS five
<v Speaker 3>and I'm fine with it, but I just can't imagine
<v Speaker 3>shelling out seven hundred dollars for something that's going to
<v Speaker 3>marginally improve my gaming experience.
<v Speaker 2>Well, and I think that's you know, let's remind everybody,
<v Speaker 2>like how this went down with the PS four pro.
<v Speaker 1>I think of all the PS four sold, and of course.
<v Speaker 2>It came out later in the generation, so the numbers
<v Speaker 2>are just inherently going to be lower. But when all
<v Speaker 2>was said and done, I think about thirteen percent of
<v Speaker 2>total PS four sold or PS four pro. So you know,
<v Speaker 2>maybe going forward from when the PS four pro came out,
<v Speaker 2>it was like a quarter of every PS four sold
<v Speaker 2>from that point forward was a PS four PRO. I
<v Speaker 2>think that we could probably expect similar numbers here. So
<v Speaker 2>you know, one out of ten PS five sold will
<v Speaker 2>be a PS five pro. So you know, if you
<v Speaker 2>want to say, like one out of ten people like
<v Speaker 2>really want to make a big deal to go out
<v Speaker 2>and get this thing that sounds about right, And I
<v Speaker 2>think they recognize that that's another reason why the price
<v Speaker 2>is so high. That one out of ten is the
<v Speaker 2>number of the super freaks who are ready to spend
<v Speaker 2>just about any price to have the best thing on
<v Speaker 2>the platform that they prefer. And I think, you know,
<v Speaker 2>they they kind of just do this to throw a
<v Speaker 2>little like jet fuel. It's a little nase that they're
<v Speaker 2>turning on the on the engine of selling consoles. Right,
<v Speaker 2>they put a little bit of fuel into the you
<v Speaker 2>know a little bit of like the one hundred proof
<v Speaker 2>whiskey into the into the engine, and it's like, okay, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's just a little bit to keep things mixed up.
<v Speaker 1>And give it an extra kick.
<v Speaker 2>And that extra kick is these people who already own
<v Speaker 2>PS fives, many of them will sell them off and
<v Speaker 2>or trade them in.
<v Speaker 1>We saw game stops saying that.
<v Speaker 2>We'll give you up to four hundred and ten dollars
<v Speaker 2>for your PS five. Now, that's if you're that's if
<v Speaker 2>you're like a ps R a game stop, like pro
<v Speaker 2>member and all this stuff. But it was still a
<v Speaker 2>pretty high number otherwise. And it's like people are going
<v Speaker 2>to take advantage of that, and but those people that
<v Speaker 2>take advantage of that again are going to be the
<v Speaker 2>ones that have to have this thing right away.
<v Speaker 3>I wonder, like, for not everyone has a four K TV, right, yep,
<v Speaker 3>some people are are playing way more now than like.
<v Speaker 1>Ten years ago, for sure, but yes, not everybody.
<v Speaker 3>But like say, there's some people playing games out their desk,
<v Speaker 3>and maybe even their monitor isn't like a super good monitor.
<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's like an old Dell that they stole from
<v Speaker 3>their place of employment prior to COVID.
<v Speaker 1>Right, let's just say, I just.
<v Speaker 3>Can't imagine like a lot of folks seeing the differences.
<v Speaker 3>Jesse in the chats chimed in of like if you
<v Speaker 3>have the zoom in to a picture to show me
<v Speaker 3>the differences. It's not gonna matter for a lot of people.
<v Speaker 1>It was I thought a little bizarre. Yes it was.
<v Speaker 2>And even when they were zooming in, I'm like, am
<v Speaker 2>I what am I looking at now? To be fair,
<v Speaker 2>I'm watching on my phone, But a lot of people
<v Speaker 2>are watching the stuff on their phone. And then even
<v Speaker 2>when they are watching their on their TV, even if
<v Speaker 2>it is a four K TV, jan, if the TV's
<v Speaker 2>small enough, like if it's fifty inches even like that's
<v Speaker 2>small enough, you're not going to see that much of
<v Speaker 2>a difference between like, you know, the slightly blurrier resolution
<v Speaker 2>sort of rendering at eighteen hundred p instead of a
<v Speaker 2>full you know, four K or whatever. Yeah, I I
<v Speaker 2>think what we predicted when we were talking all the times,
<v Speaker 2>we were like saying, hey, PS five Pro is gonna
<v Speaker 2>come out. What is the marketing sort of key going
<v Speaker 2>to be for play for Sony and PlayStation Uh, like
<v Speaker 2>the way it was four K for the PS four Pro.
<v Speaker 2>And the answer was they don't They didn't really have one.
<v Speaker 2>They don't have one. So they're very much relying on
<v Speaker 2>this time on a little bit of fomo from the
<v Speaker 2>most hardcore people instead of being like making a compelling
<v Speaker 2>case to a wider audience. So now you know, the
<v Speaker 2>good news for them is PlayStation still has a lot
<v Speaker 2>of momentum and people really want to be playing PlayStation games,
<v Speaker 2>and people in the console space now kind of considered
<v Speaker 2>the default. So I think they'll be able to take
<v Speaker 2>advantage of it still. But they they didn't come out
<v Speaker 2>and say eight K. They didn't come out and really
<v Speaker 2>talk a lot about one feature that's like gonna make
<v Speaker 2>or break people's gaming experience, because there isn't one in
<v Speaker 2>this moment. Excuse me, There's just not one that that
<v Speaker 2>is going to make that much of a difference. Games
<v Speaker 2>look about as good they need to look, and we're
<v Speaker 2>not gonna get past that anytime soon.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just drive.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, are are you thinking about getting a
<v Speaker 2>PS five pro.
<v Speaker 3>Jan No, not at all. I'm lass, I don't know. Hey, PlayStation,
<v Speaker 3>you want to send a couple for a review?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, we'll see if they send us some.
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, but if I'm like, I am debating,
<v Speaker 2>if they let's say they don't, and I have to
<v Speaker 2>make the decision. I would like to have another PlayStation
<v Speaker 2>in my house, and so I'm like, I'm beginning to
<v Speaker 2>build the case to convince myself to do this one.
<v Speaker 2>But it's not easy the other aspect of it, and
<v Speaker 2>this is more of like an aesthetics thing.
<v Speaker 3>But I wish it just looked different, yeah, and looked cooler.
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think it like if if it.
<v Speaker 2>Had the black panels, even like it was like the
<v Speaker 2>black PlayStation instead of the white one. I think that
<v Speaker 2>would be a different enough for me.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, yeah, like a different color, a different shape.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, make it.
<v Speaker 2>Slim usually says we will make fun of you if
<v Speaker 2>you get it, and it's like, yeah, fair, I expect
<v Speaker 2>nothing less.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, of course, of course I'll do it too. Please, like,
<v Speaker 1>give me.
<v Speaker 3>Like the Slim PS two flip up disc drive, even
<v Speaker 3>if it doesn't have the disk drive, Just give me
<v Speaker 3>a flip up door and like, oh, I can put
<v Speaker 3>a business card in.
<v Speaker 1>There, yep, are you.
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually a little surprised that it's like the PS
<v Speaker 2>five Pro doesn't have like oh, in the PS five
<v Speaker 2>Pro disc edition that just comes bundled with the disk drive,
<v Speaker 2>and they could sell that for I guess they probably
<v Speaker 2>didn't want a unit on.
<v Speaker 1>The store shelves that said eight hundred dollars.
<v Speaker 2>They probably didn't want that actually, so this is their
<v Speaker 2>way of secretly doing that by having it seven hundred
<v Speaker 2>and they get the other thing for eighty dollars.
<v Speaker 1>It's yep, fair enough, we'll see.
<v Speaker 3>But grub also, you know, why would I need this
<v Speaker 3>if they haven't brought up a game that is really
<v Speaker 3>making pushing players.
<v Speaker 1>Like, oh, I guess I need a Peri Pro to play.
<v Speaker 3>There's yeah, I mean at least building the excitement for that, right, I.
<v Speaker 2>Mean that's again, whether there is no caste to be made,
<v Speaker 2>that's simple and easy for them.
<v Speaker 1>Now.
<v Speaker 2>I do expect them to work closely with Rockstar to
<v Speaker 2>have some stuff to announce for GTA six, But and
<v Speaker 2>that's next year, and that would be like, you know, again,
<v Speaker 2>this first five percent of the people who are going
<v Speaker 2>to buy this thing. You know, of all the PS
<v Speaker 2>four users, So the first like fifty percent of people
<v Speaker 2>that are going to show up to just get a
<v Speaker 2>PS five Pro, they're gonna buy it no matter what.
<v Speaker 2>They just are this is their thing and they want
<v Speaker 2>the best thing, and they have to have it, and
<v Speaker 2>they they this is their hobby. They spend most of
<v Speaker 2>their money and time on why wouldn't they if they're
<v Speaker 2>gonna do that, why wouldn't they have the best thing?
<v Speaker 1>So and Sony's counting on that. So that's why there.
<v Speaker 2>Is no big compelling argument in the moment. And then
<v Speaker 2>next year when maybe when things start to fizzle out
<v Speaker 2>and slow down a little bit, they better have something
<v Speaker 2>like a GTA six to make an argument of listen,
<v Speaker 2>maybe does a run on sixty frames per second, which
<v Speaker 2>is still it seems very likely in this moment, but
<v Speaker 2>we'll see with the maybe it is GPU bound, maybe
<v Speaker 2>it is going to be about it probably is not
<v Speaker 2>going to be GPU bound, but maybe we don't know yet,
<v Speaker 2>And having the AI upscaling will make a difference and
<v Speaker 2>help get that thing to sixty frames per second. If
<v Speaker 2>that's the case, that's the only way to place GT
<v Speaker 2>six at sixty frames per second on console. That's a
<v Speaker 2>pretty big thing, and that that will help them sol
<v Speaker 2>a lot more when that thing comes out that you know,
<v Speaker 2>even if they can have like a forty five frames
<v Speaker 2>per second mode with VRR, I think that will make
<v Speaker 2>a difference as well. But yeah, the compelling case from
<v Speaker 2>from one game or one feature is definitely not there.
<v Speaker 3>Like, I don't know, bundle it with something like give
<v Speaker 3>me a game, sony, yep, let me give me a
<v Speaker 3>free game, yep.
<v Speaker 2>It's I think I think they were expecting to have
<v Speaker 2>more for this system, and clearly they just keep pushing
<v Speaker 2>things back. Like you know, I've said before that that
<v Speaker 2>state of play is coming later this month. It's probably
<v Speaker 2>coming in about let's say twelveish days, and in about
<v Speaker 2>twelve ish days there will have a state of play,
<v Speaker 2>not a showcase, And it's like still, you know, a
<v Speaker 2>year goes by with no PlayStation showcase where it's like
<v Speaker 2>here's all our big stuff, and it's like, so people
<v Speaker 2>are gonna set expectations low again, and it's like, man,
<v Speaker 2>you don't even have like do you.
<v Speaker 1>Have Ghost of SUSI mean to talk about yet?
<v Speaker 2>Do you have like all these like is there gonna
<v Speaker 2>be a Naughty Dog game this generation? Like it is
<v Speaker 2>beginning to look a little bit like, oh man, it
<v Speaker 2>is taking them even longer than I think they expected
<v Speaker 2>to get these games out, and that is hurting them
<v Speaker 2>in a situation like this where they try to go
<v Speaker 2>out and make a case for why this thing's worth
<v Speaker 2>seven hundred dollars and they just don't have anything to
<v Speaker 2>go along.
<v Speaker 1>With that, Like I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>I have Chapel Roan sign a PS five Pro and
<v Speaker 3>then maybe I'll buy it.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, maybe I'll buy it.
<v Speaker 2>It's pretty pretty good performance last night in the VMAs
<v Speaker 2>ronavarc Yeah, oh man, that's very good.
<v Speaker 1>All right, So let's see here.
<v Speaker 2>PlayStation wants to more emphasis on family friendly games.
<v Speaker 3>CEO says, I'm sorry, I didn't mean a cuss.
<v Speaker 2>Nah, you're right though. This is from Evan Campbell at GameSpot.
<v Speaker 2>When thinking about PlayStation the Last of Us might come
<v Speaker 2>to mind, or maybe Marvel's Spider Man, Horizons Zero Down
<v Speaker 2>or God of or when I think of PlayStation jan,
<v Speaker 2>I think of a person on Twitter with a Krados avatar.
<v Speaker 1>That's what I think.
<v Speaker 2>But looking ahead and soon, he seems set on and
<v Speaker 2>concentrating more on family friendly games like Astrobot, According to
<v Speaker 2>PlayStation CEO Herman Holst, spotted by Eurogamer, Holst spoke with
<v Speaker 2>Astrobot creative director Nicholas Dusse on the Official PlayStation podcast
<v Speaker 2>about family friendly games after the recent launch of the
<v Speaker 2>Q platformer.
<v Speaker 1>I think it's massively important.
<v Speaker 2>That PlayStation studios developers develops games in various genres, and
<v Speaker 2>the family market I think is really important for us
<v Speaker 2>to focus on, Holst said. Astrobot has become the best
<v Speaker 2>reviewed game of the year so far, showcasing the possibilities
<v Speaker 2>for the franchise and brand for PlayStation. It's something Holst,
<v Speaker 2>who became PlayStation's joint CEO earlier this month, seems very
<v Speaker 2>aware of. Astro is very, very important to PlayStation, said Holst. Obviously,
<v Speaker 2>we had the pre installed Astro's player in when the
<v Speaker 2>PlayStation five that millions and millions and millions of people
<v Speaker 2>have embraced and loved, and I think that's become a
<v Speaker 2>little bit of a platform to launch this new game now. Additionally,
<v Speaker 2>PlayStation is bringing Lego Horiz and Adventures excuse me Tos
<v Speaker 2>to PC, PlayStation four and PlayStation five, oh and Nintendo
<v Speaker 2>Switch sometime this holiday season.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously, after Astro you kind of can't deny
<v Speaker 2>the family market. But I mean this is just something
<v Speaker 2>that they absolutely need to reckon with because my kids
<v Speaker 2>just PlayStation did not exist to them until they started
<v Speaker 2>getting into Astro and now Astro has sort of won
<v Speaker 2>them over to the point where it's like this is
<v Speaker 2>why I want to get a second PlayStation because they're
<v Speaker 2>constantly want to play, want to play on that thing
<v Speaker 2>for Astro, and it's like that's just one game, like
<v Speaker 2>you want to keep that. This is how Nintendo has
<v Speaker 2>retilled the soil over and over again with Pokemon right
<v Speaker 2>where it's every new generation comes up with Pokemon, you
<v Speaker 2>kind of need to get them while they're.
<v Speaker 1>Young, grub.
<v Speaker 3>I don't understand how Sony and Microsoft for that matter,
<v Speaker 3>have forgotten that Nintendo is their other competitor.
<v Speaker 1>It does feel like they forgot, Yes.
<v Speaker 3>While it seems like Nintendo and a sorry PlayStation and
<v Speaker 3>Microsoft are trying to, like in this eternal grudge match
<v Speaker 3>with each other, about Call of Duties, your sad father's
<v Speaker 3>Triple A games?
<v Speaker 1>What about if Zelda summoned a table? Huh? What about that? Man?
<v Speaker 2>Do you watch that fun that new trailer came out
<v Speaker 2>this morning that she's like shit hot, God, that looks good.
<v Speaker 3>Right, Like I get more excitement seeing like the trailer,
<v Speaker 3>like that tweet for the new Mario and Luigi game
<v Speaker 3>and the timing of that tweet impeccable showing off Concordia.
<v Speaker 3>But like you have to imagine, like you have to
<v Speaker 3>capture that younger generation of gamers, like the gimmicks that
<v Speaker 3>are still maybe a little bit too young to perhaps
<v Speaker 3>get into something like a Fortnite.
<v Speaker 1>But like you know, you look.
<v Speaker 3>At dib as an example, digs Fortnite but dropped Fortnite
<v Speaker 3>completely to go play Astrobot PlayStation. You have the IP
<v Speaker 3>what if it yo yo, hey, everyone turn up the headphones,
<v Speaker 3>get ready to cut the check. All right, all right,
<v Speaker 3>we're sat were tired of got of war. We're a
<v Speaker 3>little tie tie of God of War, right, you know
<v Speaker 3>the end of the last one, you know, it was
<v Speaker 3>a little somber, a little sad. What about you know
<v Speaker 3>Crados's son Atreas we get a spinoff game and it's
<v Speaker 3>the platformer.
<v Speaker 1>What if it's the three D platform huh?
<v Speaker 2>And I don't think that's crazy in the little bit,
<v Speaker 2>even a little bit jam because I play an Astrobot
<v Speaker 2>and you know people have in their hands now, not
<v Speaker 2>gonna spoil in the specifics, but they do take some
<v Speaker 2>elements from other games from the sonyu Wa and they
<v Speaker 2>expand on those inside of astro And it's such a
<v Speaker 2>reminder of like God, they did some stuff like that
<v Speaker 2>today and it's not even like make another one of
<v Speaker 2>those games, although for all the games that they played
<v Speaker 2>around and I would want them to make new ones.
<v Speaker 2>It was a really good time. It is like, maybe
<v Speaker 2>do some more like party games, like have Astro be
<v Speaker 2>a party game where you take all these games and
<v Speaker 2>and like they're all they can all play together, and
<v Speaker 2>then Kratos can be in the party game setting. And
<v Speaker 2>it makes total sense in that in that moment, and
<v Speaker 2>it's like, I don't know, just do a lot more,
<v Speaker 2>be a lot more bold in the way that you
<v Speaker 2>approach your IP and in the family space, and it
<v Speaker 2>feels like money left on the table.
<v Speaker 1>I think you're absolutely right to say that.
<v Speaker 2>They have like moved the window of like of their
<v Speaker 2>attack along with us as we all get older, and
<v Speaker 2>they're like, these are the people that spend a lot
<v Speaker 2>of money on games. We got to be focused on them,
<v Speaker 2>and so our window of attack is against Microsoft in
<v Speaker 2>this one space, and they have just it's completely void
<v Speaker 2>over here for them, and Nintendo just filled that vacuum
<v Speaker 2>and expanded to the point where when you get the
<v Speaker 2>Family Game Award at at the Achilles every year, it's
<v Speaker 2>like four or five Nintendo games and that it's just
<v Speaker 2>is that that's not sustainable.
<v Speaker 3>No, no, absolutely not of it. And to let that
<v Speaker 3>market go for so long. Uh, and you know they're
<v Speaker 3>there are Fortnite, Rodblox, Call of Duty. Some of these
<v Speaker 3>multiplayer shooters have become like little social hubs for people,
<v Speaker 3>and like, yes, we have like kids playing Fortnite, but
<v Speaker 3>they're all on a discord. Like to create something to
<v Speaker 3>cater to those kids to like get together, like perhaps
<v Speaker 3>a PlayStation home, but like an Astrobot home or I
<v Speaker 3>don't know, a blast dozone for for the kids to
<v Speaker 3>get together.
<v Speaker 1>I was playing blast over the week. Uh it's a
<v Speaker 1>huge of course it works.
<v Speaker 3>So you just say something enough times and then it
<v Speaker 3>comes into someone's head.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>It just seems like such a missed opportunity and such
<v Speaker 3>a no brainer, especially when you have like an amazing
<v Speaker 3>game like Astrobot and then you were unlocking some of
<v Speaker 3>those bots and seeing.
<v Speaker 1>Like, hey, I remember that game. That game would be
<v Speaker 1>great all over again.
<v Speaker 3>In twenty twenty four, we showed off the First World
<v Speaker 3>or like the ending of the First Galaxy. Last week
<v Speaker 3>on UPF you gelt one hundred percent turn Ape Escape
<v Speaker 3>into like a family friendly game. Have those apes pop
<v Speaker 3>off as like just as much as rabids have, as
<v Speaker 3>much as the minions have, and then like those apes
<v Speaker 3>could be like different guest characters from other ip I
<v Speaker 3>don't know, like, oh, there's a Deadpool ape.
<v Speaker 1>There's so many opportunities grub. I don't know why they
<v Speaker 1>don't see it. Yea.
<v Speaker 3>Also, it seems was it Sony that canceled the Crash
<v Speaker 3>Spiral game.
<v Speaker 2>No, that was Activision before the Microsoft merger.
<v Speaker 3>Got it, got it, goy we love hop and bops,
<v Speaker 3>we love platformers. Yeah, and there's also that space like
<v Speaker 3>with the speed Run stuff coming out, the challenge levels
<v Speaker 3>coming out, that will appeal to older gamers.
<v Speaker 2>YEA family game these days really does mean the whole family.
<v Speaker 2>I think it means a wider appeal and everyone can
<v Speaker 2>enjoy it. I mean, it's Animal Crossing, it's Pokemon, it
<v Speaker 2>is generations coming together to play something. And I don't
<v Speaker 2>think the idea here is that these games are going
<v Speaker 2>to be able to come in and unseat roadblocks and
<v Speaker 2>Minecraft like, that's not what this is not what we're
<v Speaker 2>talking about. We are talking about a company like Sony
<v Speaker 2>being able to end Microsoft, to be able to fertilize
<v Speaker 2>a new generation of gamers that care about their their
<v Speaker 2>platform in a wider way. I always go back to
<v Speaker 2>it the Phil Spencer letter of like, hey, we used
<v Speaker 2>to control retail, and we were the only ones that
<v Speaker 2>could put games in stores, and so we were the
<v Speaker 2>de facto game companies that people thought of, and so
<v Speaker 2>they had to sort of build an affinity for us.
<v Speaker 2>People fucking had an affinity for Majesco to a certain degree.
<v Speaker 2>It's like I at least know this name, I see
<v Speaker 2>it on a game. I played their game before, and
<v Speaker 2>now I see another Majestico game. Maybe that is completely shot.
<v Speaker 1>Now.
<v Speaker 2>The only way you could build infinity is by putting
<v Speaker 2>out a wide variety of games that people have a
<v Speaker 2>deep seated care for. And that does start when people
<v Speaker 2>are younger, and that is worked for Pokemon over and
<v Speaker 2>over again. And you're you're not gonna be able to
<v Speaker 2>go out and do Pokemon if you're a Sony or Microsoft.
<v Speaker 1>But that doesn't mean you can't try.
<v Speaker 2>And I think Astrobot is an example of, Oh, if
<v Speaker 2>we put the efforts that we put into a last
<v Speaker 2>of Us into a platformer, clearly we can come up
<v Speaker 2>with something. And I don't know, I would impossible argue
<v Speaker 2>with what Astrobot is doing.
<v Speaker 3>I think I think it's funny that you bring up
<v Speaker 3>Majestico as an example, because I goof around all the
<v Speaker 3>time about IP like Blinks the Time Sweeper. But that's
<v Speaker 3>because Blinks the Time Sweeper has despite never playing it,
<v Speaker 3>because it is like a platform or adjacent style game
<v Speaker 3>targeted perhaps towards a family, It is like stuck around
<v Speaker 3>in my mind, like we could name off Grub, We
<v Speaker 3>could go back and forth for quite a while out
<v Speaker 3>naming mascot platformers, because like there is like some it
<v Speaker 3>will talk the power of juju, right sure.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the voodoo events.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's see uh tie the Tasmanian Tiger exactly because
<v Speaker 3>there is like that some type of like brand recognition
<v Speaker 3>or like style recognition that Sony has been sorely missing
<v Speaker 3>because I just think of sad fathers and I have
<v Speaker 3>no problem as a sad father, as someone with a
<v Speaker 3>sad father bod myself. Uh, but injects some fucking happiness
<v Speaker 3>into your platform, Sony, yep.
<v Speaker 2>And I mean again the way the astro does it
<v Speaker 2>with bringing all those IP into the space where it's
<v Speaker 2>like my kids now are asking about Krados and I'm like, well,
<v Speaker 2>which which game has the least amount of threesomes?
<v Speaker 1>Give me a second, let me think, And it's.
<v Speaker 2>But but yeah, like this does sort of have a
<v Speaker 2>Smash Brothers like effect, where now all these characters are
<v Speaker 2>all here and they have a pre and people and
<v Speaker 2>these kids are asking questions about them, and it's like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>you've done that now with this platform or game. I
<v Speaker 2>think you've got to treat this as an opportunity to
<v Speaker 2>jump off into several other genres.
<v Speaker 1>I think a party game should happen.
<v Speaker 2>A platform fighter is probably a good idea. I knowpe
<v Speaker 2>they're scarred from PlayStation battle all starts Battle Royale. But
<v Speaker 2>an astro platform fighter with these characters all dressed up
<v Speaker 2>like these other characters and getting their powers, like it
<v Speaker 2>could work.
<v Speaker 3>Yo, Grub make an astro animal crossing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, yeah, you know, it doesn't off to
<v Speaker 2>be astro, but a lot of it should probably be
<v Speaker 2>astro at least for the next fight five to ten years.
<v Speaker 1>It just is working so well. So yeah, at least
<v Speaker 1>they're saying it now.
<v Speaker 2>At least they're like recognizing that the family game space
<v Speaker 2>is something that they should be focusing on, and I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if they have much choice because when they
<v Speaker 2>talk about, hey, the space that we're the spaces that
<v Speaker 2>we're going to grow into and where we're going to
<v Speaker 2>find growth, they can't they can't go to investors to
<v Speaker 2>say it's the live service games anymore. There probably will
<v Speaker 2>still be some growth from live service, but they can't
<v Speaker 2>go and tell that tale to investors because they're not
<v Speaker 2>gonna want to hear it after Concord. So they're gonna
<v Speaker 2>have to have a new story to tell. And the
<v Speaker 2>only place where they've had a dub recently in terms
<v Speaker 2>of an area where they haven't had success recently, has
<v Speaker 2>been this family game. So I think that by default
<v Speaker 2>they found themselves arguing that this is going to matter.
<v Speaker 2>But I think they will also have to follow up
<v Speaker 2>on that to a certain extent.
<v Speaker 1>So I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful.
<v Speaker 3>I am also hopeful Jeff Grubb because Sony has continued
<v Speaker 3>their like up and down wave this year and at
<v Speaker 3>you know, the price of the PS five pro being
<v Speaker 3>announced definite low for me, seven hundred dollars.
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to spend it.
<v Speaker 3>So let's see what they're gonna do and bring us
<v Speaker 3>back up, baby, get us back up.
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's see here. We're gonna take a quick break.
<v Speaker 2>When we come back, Tony Hawk is back in some
<v Speaker 2>way right after this.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, all right, we're back.
<v Speaker 2>Let's do the Tony Hawk News as we always do
<v Speaker 2>on the show. Welcome to the Tony Hawk News segment.
<v Speaker 2>Tony Hawk says he has been talking to Activision ahead
<v Speaker 2>of the Pro Skaters game's twenty fifth anniversary. This is
<v Speaker 2>from Darren bamf Use at GameSpot. Skate Boarding legend. Tony
<v Speaker 2>Hawk recently hinted that he had been talking to Activision,
<v Speaker 2>teasing that something is being planned for the franchise ahead
<v Speaker 2>of its twenty fifth anniversary. I wish I could tell
<v Speaker 2>you more, but I could tell you that I had
<v Speaker 2>been talking to Activision again, Hawks said in a mythical
<v Speaker 2>kitchen video when asked about the future of the Tony
<v Speaker 2>Hawk's Pro Skater series. It's insanely exciting. We're working on something.
<v Speaker 2>It'll be something the fans truly appreciate. Hawk's comments aligned
<v Speaker 2>with a recent refresh of the Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
<v Speaker 2>social media accounts, as these were updated with new images
<v Speaker 2>bearing a twenty twenty four copyright Watermark. Fans had begun
<v Speaker 2>speculating that this could mean, and what this could mean
<v Speaker 2>and if the anniversary will lead to an announcement of
<v Speaker 2>Tony HAWKX pro Skater three and four remasters. Back in
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two, Hawk claimed that Vicarious Visions was working
<v Speaker 2>on remasters of those games before it became a support
<v Speaker 2>studio under Blizzard Entertainment. That's kind of understanding what happened there.
<v Speaker 2>They are Blizzard Entertainment now. They like kind of went
<v Speaker 2>in there and took over what was it, Diablo, Uh,
<v Speaker 2>basically got Diablo over the finish line.
<v Speaker 1>I think it was Diablo.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that Vicarious Visions took their talent in there
<v Speaker 2>and it's kind of made reinvigorated a Blizzard.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Hey, I'm getting my hopes up for this.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I want to believe that it's gonna be
<v Speaker 2>as something as big as a Tony Oaks pro Skater
<v Speaker 2>three and four. Jan do you need to like talk
<v Speaker 2>me off the ledge here? Do you think it's gonna
<v Speaker 2>be something less than that?
<v Speaker 3>I want to I want to Allie off the ledge
<v Speaker 3>with you, Grub and hope there's a secret tape there.
<v Speaker 1>Bud.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I've been burned, especially by Activision Blizzard. Uh,
<v Speaker 3>And I just want I just want Tony to be happy.
<v Speaker 3>I want Tony's legacy to live on.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 2>I mean he always talks about how like his legacy
<v Speaker 2>was secured by those games and getting like the first
<v Speaker 2>check for like four million dollars or something after that
<v Speaker 2>game crushed was of course when his life really changed.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, he, of course, I think, has a deep
<v Speaker 2>seated love of these games and wants to make sure
<v Speaker 2>that the legacy does continue. It is you know, Activision
<v Speaker 2>now Microsoft, do they have any of that spirit for
<v Speaker 2>this franchise.
<v Speaker 1>I would hope so, but who knows. Yeah, I would
<v Speaker 1>hope so.
<v Speaker 3>And I you know, I feel, I feel deep within
<v Speaker 3>my bones only wanting to bring Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
<v Speaker 3>three and four or whatever this could potentially be is
<v Speaker 3>not completely a wholeheartedly financially motivated. Those games did such
<v Speaker 3>a big and gigantic job and encouraging people to try
<v Speaker 3>skating for the first time, and you know, skating has
<v Speaker 3>become popular again. But that being said, like you know,
<v Speaker 3>these games inspire audiences to try and pick up a
<v Speaker 3>board at least buy a skateboard. Try it out, and
<v Speaker 3>I can see that being a big thing for Tony
<v Speaker 3>wanting to continue the sport in the art of skateboarding,
<v Speaker 3>and honestly, in terms of digital preservation, I would love
<v Speaker 3>to see Tony Knock's Pro Skater three and four three,
<v Speaker 3>one of my all time favorite games up up there
<v Speaker 3>with the whole franchise. Maybe not the whole franchise project date,
<v Speaker 3>we can leave in the in the dirt, but I
<v Speaker 3>would really really want to see this, especially with like
<v Speaker 3>how good of a job one and two was.
<v Speaker 1>It hurts me inside grub it hurts me inside. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you know, I saw.
<v Speaker 2>I think my Cheolan chat was like, hey, this could
<v Speaker 2>just be like soundtracks, and it definitely could be soundtrack collections.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I hope that. Right.
<v Speaker 2>You never know when like a celebrity talking to a
<v Speaker 2>company and they're like saying, it's an exciting thing. I
<v Speaker 2>mean they're excited a lot of times because they are
<v Speaker 2>just going to get the check again, right, But and
<v Speaker 2>and so it's hard to like take Tony Hawk's words
<v Speaker 2>and extrapolate into exactly.
<v Speaker 1>What this could be.
<v Speaker 2>I just I hope, I hope they're going to make
<v Speaker 2>more Tony Hawk games. Those It's not like we're sitting
<v Speaker 2>here arguing like, listen, look, we know that it didn't
<v Speaker 2>sell very well, but no, Tony Hawk's pro Skater one
<v Speaker 2>of two best selling Tony Hawk game ever made. It's
<v Speaker 2>they It was a massive success for them. So I
<v Speaker 2>don't know what kind of don't know what we're talking
<v Speaker 2>about here, other than I get that a dollar spin
<v Speaker 2>of Call of Duty is more valuable to them than
<v Speaker 2>a dollar spent on anything else. But that's you know,
<v Speaker 2>that fever's got to break at some point, and maybe
<v Speaker 2>they should be ready for it to break by having
<v Speaker 2>some other pokers in the fire.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>Call of Duty is not for every single video game
<v Speaker 3>player out there. It's not for me, and so I'm
<v Speaker 3>not rushing to play Blop six. But if you told
<v Speaker 3>me there was a Tony Hawk Pro Skater three four
<v Speaker 3>coming up tomorrow, buddy, I'm strapping on my helmet and
<v Speaker 3>the rolling down the hill with my skateboard to go
<v Speaker 3>to my local game store and buy it. Then realize
<v Speaker 3>I buy everything digital, so I'm gonna have to skate uphill.
<v Speaker 1>That's hard.
<v Speaker 2>It's tough. Go get those uploads and those downloads I. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>people are mentioning some later Tony games that were good
<v Speaker 2>and American skate Land, not American Wasteland, which I think
<v Speaker 2>was also good. But American skate Land on the DS
<v Speaker 2>is probably the last one that I really truly loved.
<v Speaker 2>That was a great game. It was also it was
<v Speaker 2>especially cool because it was I had I had enjoyed
<v Speaker 2>the Tonyak portable games on the Game Boy advance up
<v Speaker 2>to that time, but that was you know, there's two
<v Speaker 2>face buttons on there, so you were doing a lot
<v Speaker 2>of stuff on the shoulders and now we get used
<v Speaker 2>to that, but having the four face buttons on the
<v Speaker 2>DS and like, oh my god, this is just a
<v Speaker 2>full Tony Hawk game now on my handheld, and it
<v Speaker 2>feels awesome and it looks great. So I had the
<v Speaker 2>the cell shading on there. That was that was really cool.
<v Speaker 1>I played a ton of that game. Grub.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that I've been itching to get into
<v Speaker 3>a fight so I can punch someone in the face, right,
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that I'm not advocating for violence. That
<v Speaker 3>being said, I want to punch Eric Sparrow in the
<v Speaker 3>face again.
<v Speaker 1>Give me thug. In twenty twenty four, Yeah, I need it.
<v Speaker 2>I was just thinking that if there is something beyond
<v Speaker 2>three and four that they were gonna do, and not
<v Speaker 2>something like less than three and four, like where three
<v Speaker 2>and four remaster woulduld maybe be the biggest thing they
<v Speaker 2>could do. I guess a full new Tonyak game would
<v Speaker 2>be the biggest. But I was trying to be somewhat reasonable,
<v Speaker 2>but like, let's okay, let's take.
<v Speaker 1>It down a notch.
<v Speaker 2>If they did a Thug remaster that like just was
<v Speaker 2>a remaster but like you know, kind of brought it
<v Speaker 2>out and like re released it on Steam and everything,
<v Speaker 2>and then made sure it was like really compatible with
<v Speaker 2>the modding tools that people are doing, so we can
<v Speaker 2>have the Thug Thug online stuff that people have done.
<v Speaker 2>That would be really good for me. I would love that.
<v Speaker 2>I think that could be very cool.
<v Speaker 3>I don't I to this day. I remember the character
<v Speaker 3>that I designed for Thug. The face looked like me.
<v Speaker 3>He had cool white sunglasses and a blue ponytail for
<v Speaker 3>some reason, and he was a banger.
<v Speaker 1>I was a pro in Thug Man.
<v Speaker 2>They should they should just bring back Tony Hawk's pro
<v Speaker 2>Skater five remastered. There we go. Everyone Everyone's clamoring for it.
<v Speaker 2>The kids demand the return of Tony Hawk's pro.
<v Speaker 1>Climb up grub. No one's clamoring.
<v Speaker 2>Stop clamoring, kids, all right, Let's keep going here. Steam
<v Speaker 2>launches Families, which is a weird thing to say, allows
<v Speaker 2>users to share, allowing users to share games. This from
<v Speaker 2>Jordan Miller at VGC. Steam has launched Steam Families. It's
<v Speaker 2>new solution for sharing games between groups of players. A
<v Speaker 2>Steam Family could consist of five members and will allow
<v Speaker 2>members to purchase a title once, giving every member of
<v Speaker 2>the Steam Family access to the game. Developers can choose
<v Speaker 2>whether or not to support the future. If a game
<v Speaker 2>currently supports the Steam Family sharing system that was previously
<v Speaker 2>in place, it will automatically support Steam Families the new version,
<v Speaker 2>players don't need to be online to share a shared game,
<v Speaker 2>so long as the game itself supports the future, all
<v Speaker 2>games will automatically be shared between all family members. However,
<v Speaker 2>using parental controls, it's possible to block games from younger
<v Speaker 2>users within the Steam Family account, something that I have
<v Speaker 2>taken advantage of. I've been using this in beta for
<v Speaker 2>the last few months.
<v Speaker 1>It rules. This is to me.
<v Speaker 2>They'd like to say a game changing feature. It is
<v Speaker 2>the way that digital game sharing should work. I am
<v Speaker 2>very happy with this. It is very very cool. There
<v Speaker 2>are still some hiccups here and there where let's say, okay,
<v Speaker 2>is this game going to work and say, well, if
<v Speaker 2>we're both playing trying to play the same game at
<v Speaker 2>the same time, No, that's not gonna of course it's
<v Speaker 2>not gonna work.
<v Speaker 1>You get one copy.
<v Speaker 2>But if you want, maybe if you started up offline
<v Speaker 2>and maybe maybe you could play it and then it won't.
<v Speaker 1>Kick you off.
<v Speaker 2>If you're on the Steam Deck offline, you can just
<v Speaker 2>keep playing it. So there's ways to get around some
<v Speaker 2>of those things still, But for the most part, the
<v Speaker 2>old thing was you would do the Steam Family sharing
<v Speaker 2>and one person could be using any game from the
<v Speaker 2>account at any one time, and then if someone else
<v Speaker 2>tried to use it they get they would get kicked off.
<v Speaker 1>Now it is if you.
<v Speaker 2>Are trying to play a different game and it's in
<v Speaker 2>the Steam Family library and it's so no one else
<v Speaker 2>is playing that game, you could just keep playing it
<v Speaker 2>without any issue while someone else is using that Steam library.
<v Speaker 2>Up to four other people could be using something else
<v Speaker 2>in that library. As long as you're using different games
<v Speaker 2>and it's very very cool.
<v Speaker 1>So I'm into this.
<v Speaker 2>I I do like wonder like this is going to
<v Speaker 2>lead to new horror stories because apparently, if one of
<v Speaker 2>the players in your family, let's say they get banned
<v Speaker 2>from a game from online multiplayer. Uh huh, everyone in
<v Speaker 2>that family gets banned from playing that game online.
<v Speaker 1>So you might want to think about who you let
<v Speaker 1>into your family a little bit.
<v Speaker 3>Ok.
<v Speaker 2>You can also you can get kicked out of families,
<v Speaker 2>and then if you, if you like, leave a Steam family,
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you can join another one for like
<v Speaker 2>a calendar year or something like that. So you're not
<v Speaker 2>gonna be able to bounce around between and be like, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go play this from this friend's games and
<v Speaker 2>now this friend's games. There are some limitations on there,
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know a lot of them makes sense
<v Speaker 2>to me because it's like, I listen, I just want
<v Speaker 2>to use this. So you know, I got the two
<v Speaker 2>Steam decks in my house, and I got the gaming PC.
<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, and I got the gimmicks. I just want
<v Speaker 2>to be a make sure that they could play my
<v Speaker 2>games while without interfering with me doing the work that
<v Speaker 2>I need to be doing, and this feature has enabled that. Uh,
<v Speaker 2>and so for me, this is great. And then people
<v Speaker 2>that are going to try to maybe like squeeze a
<v Speaker 2>little extra usability out of this to get get some
<v Speaker 2>more games for free, you're gonna be able to do that.
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna be able to make that work to a
<v Speaker 2>certain extent. But it's it's not like some uh and
<v Speaker 2>end all be all solution for those people. I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>janis is something that you have any interest in.
<v Speaker 1>With Steam?
<v Speaker 3>Not immediately, just because I'm the only one in my
<v Speaker 3>household and and friend group that really does play video
<v Speaker 3>games on DPC. But perhaps we could, you know, use
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to say that out loud. Perhaps we
<v Speaker 3>make a Giant Bomb family account.
<v Speaker 1>I'm a Giant Bomb. We're hey, we're a family. We're
<v Speaker 1>a family. When you're here, you're family. That's right.
<v Speaker 2>We'll leave the lights on for you. Yeah, what other
<v Speaker 2>hotel slogans are there? Yeah, I've been hoping that someone
<v Speaker 2>would do exactly this. I'm not surprised at Steam. Do
<v Speaker 2>you think like a Nintendo does this anytime? In let's
<v Speaker 2>say this century.
<v Speaker 3>Grub you silly, silly man. That would require Nintendo being
<v Speaker 3>open to that and not thinking that you are spreading
<v Speaker 3>piracy throughout your family, even if it is for innocent purposes,
<v Speaker 3>like letting the gimmicks play a Mario game while you
<v Speaker 3>were playing an other game on your switch. Also, that
<v Speaker 3>would require the infrastructure to do that, and I'm just
<v Speaker 3>not one hundred percent confident in Nintendo that way.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I think this should be the sort
<v Speaker 2>of bar that all these other services are going to
<v Speaker 2>be measured by. I just don't think Nintendo is going
<v Speaker 2>to care that we are measuring them against this. They
<v Speaker 2>just won't care. So, yeah, it's gonna it's you know,
<v Speaker 2>I guess a little bit my fault for buying digital
<v Speaker 2>games on a Nintendo platform. And we can do like
<v Speaker 2>the the account sort of like a friendly handshake where
<v Speaker 2>two accounts can sort of like have one system where
<v Speaker 2>it's like that's my primary account, but you're going to
<v Speaker 2>use that over there, so your secondary account on that
<v Speaker 2>system can have access to all those games even when
<v Speaker 2>you know I'm not around, and then I'll have I'll
<v Speaker 2>just log in remotely for my account on this other system,
<v Speaker 2>a secondary account, and as long as I'm just playing
<v Speaker 2>on that account, I can use those games digitally. So
<v Speaker 2>two people, two systems works pretty okay. But I got
<v Speaker 2>two kids, so there's three of us, and that makes
<v Speaker 2>it just a complicated enough. That's like, Oh, I guess
<v Speaker 2>I wish I had physical games so I could just
<v Speaker 2>share to the kids. But I don't really wish that
<v Speaker 2>because they would fucking lose them.
<v Speaker 1>They would just lose those things. They would lose those
<v Speaker 1>little bastards.
<v Speaker 3>So I have four Nintendo Switch cards. I don't know
<v Speaker 3>where any of them are. Now I'm an adult.
<v Speaker 2>My kids were like they for some reason, they're obsessed
<v Speaker 2>with the many stuff right now, many kitchens, many little
<v Speaker 2>clothes to dress up their characters in, and they would
<v Speaker 2>They took one of my Nintendo Switch carters is just
<v Speaker 2>danced twenty seventeen. So I did get it launch and
<v Speaker 2>I just dropped, and they were pretending it was a
<v Speaker 2>tablet for one of their toys.
<v Speaker 1>So many tablets, so huge. Yeah, that's what we have
<v Speaker 1>going on over here.
<v Speaker 3>I think the gimmicks would love hit clips.
<v Speaker 1>They would love oh, the gimmicks who love hit clips.
<v Speaker 1>That's very many.
<v Speaker 2>All right, last couple of things here. Flappybird is finally
<v Speaker 2>returning ten years after its demise. This is from Chris
<v Speaker 2>Holt at d Gadget. But basically the story is, I
<v Speaker 2>guess some holding company bought the trademark and then they
<v Speaker 2>bought a version of a game that plays like Flatpybird,
<v Speaker 2>and they made it up to look like Flappy Bird,
<v Speaker 2>and they're going to re release it. There's a bunch
<v Speaker 2>of Flappy Bird clothes already, so I at a certain point,
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, how is this that different from from those?
<v Speaker 2>Although I guess this officially has the name.
<v Speaker 1>I love flappy Bird. I really liked Flappybird. I was.
<v Speaker 2>I was into Flappy Bird in a deep way, and
<v Speaker 2>I guess I'm glad it's back.
<v Speaker 1>The thing is, I've always.
<v Speaker 2>Continued to have access to it for the most part,
<v Speaker 2>although I bet it doesn't work on this latest phone,
<v Speaker 2>but I'd have to double check that. But I was
<v Speaker 2>playing it like last year, so yeah, I don't.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, any any love for Flappybird jan not at all. No,
<v Speaker 3>no love for this bird man at all. It was
<v Speaker 3>flapping like crazy. I don't know what you're talking about.
<v Speaker 2>Xbox is bringing back friend friend Request. This is from
<v Speaker 2>Tom Iben at VGC. Microsoftist announced plans to bring back
<v Speaker 2>friend Request on Xbox. The feature was last years during
<v Speaker 2>the Xbox three six generation before being replaced with a
<v Speaker 2>social media style followers system when Xbox One launched in
<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen. An updated Friends and Followers experience will be
<v Speaker 2>made available this week to Xbox Insider members on the
<v Speaker 2>Alpha Skip Ahead ring on consoles, and to users who
<v Speaker 2>signed up to the PC Gaming Preview on PCs and
<v Speaker 2>handheld devices. They'll be able to test that it's working
<v Speaker 2>as intended before it's rolled out. We're thrilled to announce
<v Speaker 2>the return of friend requests. Now you can easily send, accept,
<v Speaker 2>or delete friend requests, making it simpler to connect with others.
<v Speaker 2>Friends are now a two way invite and approved relationship,
<v Speaker 2>giving you more control and flexibility.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was one that was I never.
<v Speaker 2>Really understood the follower system on Xbox jen that was like,
<v Speaker 2>so anyone could just follow me, and if I don't
<v Speaker 2>want that, I have to like set a different privacy set. Honestly,
<v Speaker 2>it was like at that point, I never learned why
<v Speaker 2>I should care about the way that that thing worked,
<v Speaker 2>and I still have never learned about it. And to
<v Speaker 2>be a part of that is like maybe a big part,
<v Speaker 2>a significant part of why the Xbox Live experience like
<v Speaker 2>fizzled out for me during the Xbox one generation.
<v Speaker 3>I one hundred percent thinks so because like getting friend
<v Speaker 3>requests in the three sixty era is like a big
<v Speaker 3>component of like right, oh, like yeah, let me add
<v Speaker 3>you blah blah blah, and then just having that whole
<v Speaker 3>system changed to a following system, and then even then
<v Speaker 3>being confused.
<v Speaker 1>Like hey, are we friends or following you? Are you
<v Speaker 1>following me?
<v Speaker 3>I don't see you. It was always confusing and similar
<v Speaker 3>about grub. I never bothered to learn the actual system.
<v Speaker 3>So whenever we would play a multiplayer game on Xbox
<v Speaker 3>or like Xbox Launcher on PC, I would just be
<v Speaker 3>terribly confused of like, wait, are we friends?
<v Speaker 1>Do I have to change anything?
<v Speaker 3>Xbox is, Steam is bringing families back, Xbox is bringing
<v Speaker 3>friends back.
<v Speaker 2>It is it's a beautiful world that is healing right
<v Speaker 2>before our very eyes.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Not everything needed to be a social media platform, and
<v Speaker 2>even some social media platforms have that exclusivity thing that
<v Speaker 2>was the whole Facebook idea. I watched that movie. It
<v Speaker 2>was like yeah, yeah you can. You have to like
<v Speaker 2>approve people before they could be your friends and stuff
<v Speaker 2>like that, and say, oh yeah, yeah, that there's some
<v Speaker 2>cachet there and Xbox just gave all that up to
<v Speaker 2>be like and now we're gonna.
<v Speaker 1>Be like Twitter. It's it was weird.
<v Speaker 3>You know you and it's just like real life grub.
<v Speaker 3>You do have to approve people of being your friends.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's right. Absolutely.
<v Speaker 2>Hey, I don't just probably not going to like suddenly
<v Speaker 2>change everything, but uh I am. I'm glad that it's
<v Speaker 2>going back to the way I I think it should be.
<v Speaker 1>It should be this way.
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad it's going back to that. Yes, all right,
<v Speaker 2>last thing is real quick. Analog Pocket has six new
<v Speaker 2>colors that are based on the game Boy game like color,
<v Speaker 2>the color schemes.
<v Speaker 1>They look really good.
<v Speaker 2>I don't need another game or another Analog pocket, but
<v Speaker 2>whether those are good looking colors. So yeah, they have
<v Speaker 2>the the purple, the Indigo I think they called it.
<v Speaker 1>I like that. That's a good looking there. Some of
<v Speaker 1>these look real.
<v Speaker 2>Pretty, yeah, Marino says, Crayola Bold colors for sure. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>that that Crayola period that we were all in for
<v Speaker 2>a while there that I was super into.
<v Speaker 1>All right, let's see here. That does it.
<v Speaker 2>For the headlines. We do have a pull question that
<v Speaker 2>I will get up here in a second, So let
<v Speaker 2>me do that. Click there, bum bum boom there we go,
<v Speaker 2>and then go down here. How are you feeling about
<v Speaker 2>Fair Games? Two percent said optimistic, five percent are cautious.
<v Speaker 2>So we got seven percent of people are like or hey, no,
<v Speaker 2>I'm optimistic, and then twenty two percent are optimistic and
<v Speaker 2>maybe the most damning thing, seventy one percent said, uh,
<v Speaker 2>what is fair Games?
<v Speaker 1>Now?
<v Speaker 2>Of course, Sony's got a lot of opportunities to kind
<v Speaker 2>of come out and re explain what this game is.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but they've done that once a little bit. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I think this just goes back to if there was
<v Speaker 2>an assumption that Sony could sell anything to PlayStation gamers,
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, n you told them you were going
<v Speaker 2>to make a certain kind of game, and they've showed
<v Speaker 2>up for that kind of game, And if you're not
<v Speaker 2>talking about that kind of game, they're not paying attention.
<v Speaker 2>And I think fair Games Concord obviously proved that. I
<v Speaker 2>think Fair Games might do the same thing as well.
<v Speaker 2>Of course, Jane, fair Games plays in a way that
<v Speaker 2>people just can't ignore, Like it's it's not just some
<v Speaker 2>like another hero shooter. I don't think it is like
<v Speaker 2>a heist PVPVE game. I think I'm like pulling out
<v Speaker 2>of memory. Maybe that's something people just have to have,
<v Speaker 2>and that could change the story for this thing. But
<v Speaker 2>in this moment, I would I would be worried if
<v Speaker 2>I was working on Fair Games.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, for a hot second, I forgot that it was
<v Speaker 3>an actual game and not a studio.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I just learned the name of the studio so
<v Speaker 2>I could like bring it up, and I forgot.
<v Speaker 1>Again, and then god, what even right? And there's a
<v Speaker 1>dollar sign in the logo.
<v Speaker 2>Or the nurse a dollar sign in the logo, which
<v Speaker 2>is bad as tandpointed on a Friday. It makes it
<v Speaker 2>look like a crypto related game, which is not what
<v Speaker 2>you want these days.
<v Speaker 3>No, no, even for like the regular audiences, like dollar
<v Speaker 3>signs have been co opted by the crypto bros.
<v Speaker 2>And we've lost it forever. We've lost it and we
<v Speaker 2>don't want to backgack. Actually, do you guess you can
<v Speaker 2>keep it? You've tainted it and it smells bad. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>fair Games, rough spot. We'll see next time. Maybe maybe
<v Speaker 2>there's more fair Games in this upcoming state of play.
<v Speaker 2>We'll see, But uh, I don't know. If the game's fun,
<v Speaker 2>I'll try it, just like I did Concord. Uh, and
<v Speaker 2>I hope it's even better than Concord.
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna I'm gonna ask this question. What is the
<v Speaker 3>difference between a dollar sign with a single vertical line
<v Speaker 3>versus two vertical lines.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if there is a difference. I think
<v Speaker 2>it's a style thing. I okay, maybe there's a difference.
<v Speaker 2>Jan I could be wrong. I could definitely be wrong
<v Speaker 2>on that.
<v Speaker 3>I know you have never you and I have never
<v Speaker 3>been to the point we have never been wrong.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would say, yeah, I think that the in general,
<v Speaker 2>like yeah, two is correct, That's how I would do it.
<v Speaker 2>But I think just style people some most sometimes stylize
<v Speaker 2>it with one line, two dollars one on sense, but
<v Speaker 2>the scent has its own symbol, chuckle nuggets. It's like
<v Speaker 2>the sea with the line through it. Right, So yeah, whatever,
<v Speaker 2>all right, this is the discourse we need to bring
<v Speaker 2>up on the internet.
<v Speaker 1>That's right.
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<v Speaker 3>And then I'm just gonna be yelling or quietly muttering
<v Speaker 3>to myself Spice Marine, Spice, Spice Burray, why do we
<v Speaker 3>hould myst.
<v Speaker 1>So we can kill tyranids? Yeah? I'm looking forward to that.
<v Speaker 1>What time was up Blake Club today?
<v Speaker 3>Twelve my time? So three year time?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and so like an hour before voicemail dump truck.
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's I'm fine because that means a more
<v Speaker 2>episodes of of uh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, cool, we'll
<v Speaker 2>do It'll be a hot sixty.
<v Speaker 1>That'll be good.
<v Speaker 2>All right, that'll be happening later today. Everyone should look
<v Speaker 2>out for that. In the meantime, new poll question, do
<v Speaker 2>you want PlayStation to make more family friendly games. Yes
<v Speaker 2>or no, it's an easy one, I think, but whatever,
<v Speaker 2>we're coming back easy. We're gonna make it an easy
<v Speaker 2>time for everybody. Also, apparently Unity is canceling the run
<v Speaker 2>time fee, which gotta be honest, thought they already did.
<v Speaker 1>Just assumed.
<v Speaker 2>I think I assumed that they already did in that
<v Speaker 2>huge backlash and they're like, hey, yeah, we messed up.
<v Speaker 2>I guess all they did was say they messed up,
<v Speaker 2>and they never actually undid this. People that don't remember.
<v Speaker 2>Unity was going to charge like twenty cents or something
<v Speaker 2>for every download of a game, like even a free
<v Speaker 2>to play game. I think what they were really going
<v Speaker 2>after was Ginchin impacts, the Ginchen impacts of the world,
<v Speaker 2>and they like, so every time someone installed that game,
<v Speaker 2>Unity wanted to get theirs and it was gonna but
<v Speaker 2>it was gonna apply to just about every game. And
<v Speaker 2>then they carved out a small little exception rule for
<v Speaker 2>very small indie games that were gonna get decimated by this. Uh,
<v Speaker 2>they are canceling the run time tub I just came
<v Speaker 2>up with a million dollar idea of PlayStation Get ready
<v Speaker 2>to pull your check book out again? Oh all right,
<v Speaker 2>all right, I think there's been the common sentiment of
<v Speaker 2>people saying like, oh my god, if these astrobots were
<v Speaker 2>physical toys, I'd buy them because they look like this PlayStation.
<v Speaker 1>I'd pee that.
<v Speaker 3>I'm fond for stream bows. Yeah a street bos hear
<v Speaker 3>me out, Jeff Greb, hear me out. PlayStation get ready
<v Speaker 3>to cut the check? You make a gotcha game with
<v Speaker 3>the astrobots, Okay, Jan, don't do then? You know, spin
<v Speaker 3>to win, baby, Jan? You want you want that? Like
<v Speaker 3>you want that s Tier Crados astrobot. We'll go buy
<v Speaker 3>some tikies, baby.
<v Speaker 2>People are like people, I want to be able to
<v Speaker 2>just buy these things and choose some story shelf. You're like,
<v Speaker 2>what if we made it sick though? What if we
<v Speaker 2>made it disgusting and vile?
<v Speaker 1>That would be better for me? Yeah? Yeah, oh hey,
<v Speaker 1>you know what.
<v Speaker 3>You can mix and match parts for your astrobots, but
<v Speaker 3>you need the parts.
<v Speaker 1>Why don't Okay, why don't you let's see.
<v Speaker 3>What what if there's uh, you know, uh a j
<v Speaker 3>RPG astrobot, but you want them to have Nathan Drake's
<v Speaker 3>half tuck shirt.
<v Speaker 1>I do kind of want that. Uh, you know, I
<v Speaker 1>was expecting.
<v Speaker 2>More of a halftuck than we got all right. That
<v Speaker 2>was Gays morning.
<v Speaker 1>I believe. I don't know if we do anything else here.
<v Speaker 2>I think what I do is I say Jana Choa,
<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for spinning today talking with me
<v Speaker 2>about video games.
<v Speaker 1>Man, I really appreciate it.
<v Speaker 3>It's the only way to start a Thursday grub.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you all for hanging out, thank you for listening
<v Speaker 2>and watching. You're the best audience and gaming. Very happy
<v Speaker 2>to be back. Until next time, have a good one,
<v Speaker 2>take care of yourself and goodbye.