188 | Understanding Child Adjustment Through Play: Lessons from The Art of the Relationship and Moustakas' Research
Play Therapy Podcast: A Master-Class in Child-Centered Play Therapy
In this episode of the Play Therapy Podcast, I continue our Summer School Series by diving into a unique section from Garry Landreth's The Art of the Relationship, focusing on Moustakas' research about the differences in play between adjusted and maladjusted children. We explore how adjusted children tend to be more conversational, spontaneous, and exploratory in their play, while maladjusted children may be either overly silent or excessively talkative and exhibit cautious, deliberate behavior. This research also highlights how maladjusted children often prefer to be told what to do, and their play is more likely to be destructive and aggressive.
I discuss the importance of recognizing these behaviors in your sessions and how understanding the quantity and intensity of negative attitudes, rather than their mere presence, can help assess a child's level of adjustment. This episode is a reminder of the value of revisiting foundational texts in child-centered play therapy, as they provide deep insights into the nuances of children's behaviors. As we near the end of the Summer School Series, I'm encouraged by the feedback and thrilled that so many of you are finding these readings valuable in your practice.
Episode Reference: Landreth, G.L. (2023). Play Therapy: The Art of the Relationship (4th ed.). Routledge.
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Common References: Cochran, N., Nordling, W., & Cochran, J. (2010). Child-Centered Play Therapy (1st ed.). Wiley. VanFleet, R., Sywulak, A. E., & Sniscak, C. C. (2010). Child-centered play therapy. Guilford Press. Landreth, G.L. (2023). Play Therapy: The Art of the Relationship (4th ed.). Routledge. Bratton, S. C., Landreth, G. L., Kellam, T., & Blackard, S. R. (2006). Child parent relationship therapy (CPRT) treatment manual: A 10-session filial therapy model for training parents. Routledge/Taylor & Francis Group. Benedict, Helen. Themes in Play Therapy. Used with permission to Heartland Play Therapy Institute.
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0 00:00:00,409 --> 00:00:04,309 You're listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. Brenna Hicks. 1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:08,119 Your source for centered and focused play therapy coaching. 2 00:00:08,460 --> 00:00:10,630 Hi, I'm Dr. Brenna Hicks, The Kid Counselor. 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,770 This is the Play Therapy Podcast where you get 4 00:00:12,779 --> 00:00:15,039 a master class in child-centered play therapy 5 00:00:15,130 --> 00:00:17,399 and practical support and application for your 6 00:00:17,409 --> 00:00:19,110 work with children and their families. 7 00:00:19,590 --> 00:00:20,639 In today's episode. 8 00:00:20,649 --> 00:00:24,889 I am reading another section from one of the seminal works in 9 00:00:24,899 --> 00:00:28,579 our field from the Art of the Relationship by Garry Landreth. 10 00:00:28,969 --> 00:00:32,119 But before we get into that, I want to share a very, 11 00:00:32,130 --> 00:00:34,700 very special email that I received and I know that 12 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,770 every week I get emails from all over the world and listeners reach 13 00:00:38,779 --> 00:00:43,200 out and I hear stories and wins and celebrations and I get questions and 14 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,259 it dawns on me every once in a while that some of those 15 00:00:46,270 --> 00:00:50,630 should be shared with you because you all only know your experience. 16 00:00:51,069 --> 00:00:53,889 And I get the privilege of having people from everywhere, 17 00:00:53,900 --> 00:00:55,240 share with me their experiences. 18 00:00:55,250 --> 00:00:55,580 So 19 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,610 I want to share an experience that was emailed to me this week by Jonathan 20 00:01:00,119 --> 00:01:02,430 and he tells me 21 00:01:02,729 --> 00:01:04,220 that he listens to me every day. 22 00:01:04,230 --> 00:01:07,180 So he feels like he knows me really well, which so many of you say that, 23 00:01:07,190 --> 00:01:08,279 which is so special to me. 24 00:01:08,290 --> 00:01:09,620 That's why I love podcasting. 25 00:01:09,919 --> 00:01:12,889 I feel like I know you all as well. And I truly mean that. 26 00:01:13,300 --> 00:01:15,720 So he says I wanted to share a funny story. 27 00:01:16,230 --> 00:01:19,319 My son and I ride bikes every week when he comes to my house. 28 00:01:19,330 --> 00:01:22,209 And as we were riding to our favorite donut shop, 29 00:01:22,220 --> 00:01:25,339 I heard him giving his stuffed animal cat choices. 30 00:01:25,889 --> 00:01:29,389 He gave the cat the choice to ride on the front of the bike or 31 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,389 gave the cat the choice to ride under his arm as he rode his bike, 32 00:01:33,699 --> 00:01:37,300 I laughed out loud as I heard him giving the cat choices because 33 00:01:37,309 --> 00:01:40,949 the idea of choices has become such a staple in his life. 34 00:01:41,739 --> 00:01:44,199 So Jonathan, thank you for emailing me that. First of all. 35 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:49,220 Second of all, that is one of what I consider to be the greatest testaments 36 00:01:49,489 --> 00:01:52,110 to the power of the child-centered 37 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:53,199 language 38 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,400 because children become so accustomed to the predictability 39 00:01:58,589 --> 00:02:01,260 and the consistency and the verbiage 40 00:02:01,790 --> 00:02:03,449 that they adopted as their own. 41 00:02:03,750 --> 00:02:08,589 So kids will use choices and kids will reflect feelings 42 00:02:08,729 --> 00:02:11,119 and kids will use encouragement phrases 43 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,860 and it becomes very apparent 44 00:02:14,070 --> 00:02:19,779 that their little sponge selves have soaked in all the things that we say. 45 00:02:19,860 --> 00:02:22,740 And this happens with our children and with children in the playroom. 46 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,639 When we are consistent using child-centered language, 47 00:02:27,070 --> 00:02:30,360 it becomes a very staple 48 00:02:30,589 --> 00:02:32,259 in the child's life. 49 00:02:32,509 --> 00:02:36,860 And that just makes my heart smile and I'm so glad that you emailed me that Jonathan, 50 00:02:36,869 --> 00:02:38,039 that Jonathan, thank you. 51 00:02:38,250 --> 00:02:41,660 If you all have stories like that, I'd love to hear from you as well. 52 00:02:41,669 --> 00:02:45,059 So you can always reach me at brenna@thekidcounselor.com. 53 00:02:45,500 --> 00:02:46,919 I was actually speaking with a 54 00:02:47,039 --> 00:02:49,009 coaching participant a couple of weeks ago 55 00:02:49,259 --> 00:02:51,750 and she told me that she had emailed me and I was like, 56 00:02:51,759 --> 00:02:53,860 I don't think I've gotten anything from you. 57 00:02:54,220 --> 00:02:58,610 And I said, just confirm that you have my email address, right? And she goes, 58 00:02:58,869 --> 00:03:00,279 I listened to your podcast, 59 00:03:00,289 --> 00:03:03,080 I know your email address by heart because you always say it. 60 00:03:03,089 --> 00:03:05,000 And I was like, oh, ok, 61 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,679 I suppose you have heard that like 1000 times at this point. So 62 00:03:09,220 --> 00:03:09,860 anyway, 63 00:03:09,990 --> 00:03:11,619 you know, brenna@thekidcounselor.com, 64 00:03:11,630 --> 00:03:14,820 but for those of you who are new that maybe have not listened to every episode, 65 00:03:14,830 --> 00:03:15,919 you can always email me. 66 00:03:15,929 --> 00:03:17,080 I'd love to hear from you. 67 00:03:17,330 --> 00:03:20,070 That's Brenna with two Ns at brenna@thekidcounselor.com 68 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,940 Ok. So let's dive into this text today. 69 00:03:25,020 --> 00:03:27,350 And I, again, I'm reading from the Art of the Relationship. 70 00:03:27,550 --> 00:03:30,330 I'm in the chapter, The Meaning of Play. 71 00:03:31,179 --> 00:03:34,050 And I'm reading on page 23 and 24. 72 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,149 And we're going to actually, I think get some really, really helpful insight. 73 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,309 This is not something that is discussed often, 74 00:03:40,490 --> 00:03:44,779 this is not something that I've actually found in other CCPT texts. 75 00:03:44,889 --> 00:03:48,429 I feel like this might actually be unique to this book 76 00:03:48,940 --> 00:03:51,139 and it is talking about 77 00:03:51,750 --> 00:03:53,889 Moustakas research, which we always 78 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:55,259 reference Moustakas 79 00:03:55,779 --> 00:03:58,899 when we talk about the history of child-centered play therapy. So, Moustakas 80 00:03:59,389 --> 00:04:02,509 is a prominent figure in the child-centered history, 81 00:04:02,839 --> 00:04:05,690 but I don't know that this research is quoted 82 00:04:05,699 --> 00:04:08,330 very often and the findings of this research. 83 00:04:08,339 --> 00:04:08,690 So 84 00:04:08,860 --> 00:04:12,190 I'm going to read the difference in play 85 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,209 of more adjusted versus more maladjusted children. 86 00:04:16,558 --> 00:04:20,148 And I think this will be really insightful and helpful for everyone. So 87 00:04:20,648 --> 00:04:22,579 I'm starting on page 23. 88 00:04:22,588 --> 00:04:27,229 The play of adjusted and maladjusted children as described by Moustakas 89 00:04:27,759 --> 00:04:29,319 differs in several areas. 90 00:04:29,959 --> 00:04:32,500 Adjusted children are conversational 91 00:04:32,890 --> 00:04:36,220 and prone to discuss their world as it exists for them. 92 00:04:36,649 --> 00:04:39,779 Whereas some maladjusted children may remain completely 93 00:04:39,790 --> 00:04:42,170 silent in their first few play sessions. 94 00:04:42,339 --> 00:04:45,730 Speaking only with great difficulty to the therapist. 95 00:04:46,470 --> 00:04:48,049 Other maladjusted children 96 00:04:48,149 --> 00:04:50,339 may keep up a rapid fire flow of 97 00:04:50,350 --> 00:04:53,260 questions and conversations during the first sessions. 98 00:04:53,869 --> 00:04:59,089 The initial reactions of maladjusted children are cautious and deliberate 99 00:04:59,309 --> 00:05:02,769 adjusted children are free and spontaneous in their play. 100 00:05:03,790 --> 00:05:07,640 All right. So there's more, but I wanna pause there and tease this part a little bit. 101 00:05:08,089 --> 00:05:08,420 Ok. 102 00:05:08,429 --> 00:05:11,049 So I know that every single one of you that has 103 00:05:11,059 --> 00:05:13,670 been doing child centered play therapy for any length of time. 104 00:05:13,820 --> 00:05:16,630 I know you immediately thought of kids that have come in 105 00:05:16,739 --> 00:05:18,309 and barely said a word to you 106 00:05:18,739 --> 00:05:22,839 and you've thought of kids that have come in and have just been blabbermouths. 107 00:05:23,119 --> 00:05:25,170 Ok. We know, based on Moustakas 108 00:05:25,609 --> 00:05:26,470 research 109 00:05:27,109 --> 00:05:30,549 that that indicates high levels of maladjustment, 110 00:05:31,750 --> 00:05:34,309 more adjusted children as it says, 111 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:39,260 are quote conversational and prone to discuss their world as it exists for them. 112 00:05:40,220 --> 00:05:44,380 So when you have a child that comes in and is conversational 113 00:05:44,390 --> 00:05:48,440 and talkative and engages with you as part of their play, 114 00:05:48,779 --> 00:05:51,369 you know, that indicates higher levels of adjustment. 115 00:05:51,619 --> 00:05:56,679 And then in contrast, if you have very, very silent kids or very very talkative kids, 116 00:05:57,369 --> 00:05:58,920 and they're just kind of spit 117 00:05:59,089 --> 00:06:00,339 fring things out, 118 00:06:00,559 --> 00:06:03,670 you know, that that indicates maladjustment. 119 00:06:04,170 --> 00:06:08,920 The initial reactions of maladjusted children are cautious and deliberate 120 00:06:09,100 --> 00:06:11,820 but adjusted children are free and spontaneous. 121 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,910 You can see the kids that don't want to do anything that 122 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,670 are very timid that have all kinds of hesitance that are very 123 00:06:20,799 --> 00:06:23,529 thoughtful with what they do and when and why and 124 00:06:23,540 --> 00:06:26,390 then you see when more adjusted kids come in, 125 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,869 they just kind of go with the flow and they're more free and spontaneous. 126 00:06:29,950 --> 00:06:33,839 We see this all the time, but I don't think we've ever been able to 127 00:06:34,019 --> 00:06:38,190 recognize it as a term of adjustment or maladjustment. 128 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,579 So I actually think this is super helpful. Ok. I'm gonna continue 129 00:06:41,179 --> 00:06:44,609 adjusted. Children will examine the whole play setting 130 00:06:44,809 --> 00:06:47,510 and use a large variety of play materials 131 00:06:48,339 --> 00:06:50,309 in contrast to maladjusted children 132 00:06:50,429 --> 00:06:53,739 who use a few toys and play in a small area. 133 00:06:55,089 --> 00:06:56,350 Ok. So let's think about this. 134 00:06:56,649 --> 00:06:58,100 We have kids that come in 135 00:06:58,470 --> 00:07:02,160 and they stand in one spot, they sit in one spot. They don't get up, 136 00:07:02,380 --> 00:07:04,970 they only engage with one toy. 137 00:07:05,190 --> 00:07:07,339 Sometimes they don't get engaged with any toys. 138 00:07:07,809 --> 00:07:11,760 They limit their movement, they limit their exploration of the room 139 00:07:12,299 --> 00:07:14,230 and then you have kids that come in and 140 00:07:14,549 --> 00:07:17,299 they check out everything and they pick everything up and we, 141 00:07:17,309 --> 00:07:20,970 we talk about the exploratory play that takes place in the first few weeks. 142 00:07:20,980 --> 00:07:21,269 Right. 143 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,790 Adjusted children are going to use all kinds of things 144 00:07:24,799 --> 00:07:27,160 and explore and investigate and see what's in there. 145 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:27,739 More. 146 00:07:27,750 --> 00:07:30,589 Maladjusted kids are going to be very limited in 147 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,660 the toys and the area in which they play. 148 00:07:32,750 --> 00:07:33,799 So fascinating. 149 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,029 Let me continue. Maladjusted. Ok. Whoa, this is a big one. 150 00:07:37,119 --> 00:07:42,260 Maladjusted children often want to be told what to do and what not to do 151 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,940 and I know at least one child just popped into your head 152 00:07:47,130 --> 00:07:50,100 because we always have that kid that goes, 153 00:07:50,220 --> 00:07:52,119 I don't know what to do. What am I supposed to do? 154 00:07:52,130 --> 00:07:54,549 Just tell me what, just tell me what I'm supposed to do. 155 00:07:54,779 --> 00:07:56,739 Well, I'm bored. I don't know what I'm supposed to do. 156 00:07:56,750 --> 00:08:00,339 Well, you, you can, you just ask me questions? Well, what game do you wanna play? 157 00:08:00,350 --> 00:08:00,940 Well, what 158 00:08:01,910 --> 00:08:06,130 they want to be given expectations, they want to be told 159 00:08:06,410 --> 00:08:08,239 what to do and what not to do. 160 00:08:08,790 --> 00:08:12,010 However continuing adjusted children 161 00:08:12,500 --> 00:08:18,070 use various strategies to discover their responsibilities and limitations 162 00:08:18,239 --> 00:08:19,730 in the therapeutic relationship. 163 00:08:20,670 --> 00:08:20,920 So, 164 00:08:20,929 --> 00:08:23,869 a more adjusted child is going to not necessarily 165 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,450 be fully comfortable with all the power and responsibility. 166 00:08:27,290 --> 00:08:31,399 Yet they will use various strategies to figure all of that out. 167 00:08:32,419 --> 00:08:34,438 Essentially coping. Right. 168 00:08:35,190 --> 00:08:36,770 Ok. Continuing 169 00:08:37,020 --> 00:08:38,890 when bothered or annoyed 170 00:08:39,299 --> 00:08:43,390 adjusted children use a concrete way to bring out their problem. 171 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:45,729 Maladjusted children 172 00:08:45,929 --> 00:08:50,690 are more likely to express their feelings symbolically with paints, clay, 173 00:08:50,700 --> 00:08:51,950 sand or water. 174 00:08:53,059 --> 00:08:54,099 Really interesting. 175 00:08:54,489 --> 00:08:57,719 Continuing, maladjusted children are often aggressive 176 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:02,390 and want to destroy the play materials and sometimes the therapist. 177 00:09:04,239 --> 00:09:06,820 So think about your most aggressive children, 178 00:09:07,909 --> 00:09:09,690 the most destructive children 179 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,179 likely the most maladjusted 180 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,820 aggression also is seen in adjusted children, 181 00:09:17,299 --> 00:09:20,530 but it is clearly expressed without massive destruction 182 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,299 and responsibility is accepted for the expression. 183 00:09:24,780 --> 00:09:27,900 So be very careful with this because I've, 184 00:09:27,909 --> 00:09:30,770 I've learned the hard way that sometimes we talk about things 185 00:09:30,969 --> 00:09:36,409 and it's interpreted as very black and white and concrete and people kind of go 186 00:09:36,419 --> 00:09:40,309 in one direction with it and there isn't really any wiggle room or gray. 187 00:09:40,750 --> 00:09:44,090 So I don't want you to think, ok, if a kid's aggressive, they're maladjusted, 188 00:09:44,340 --> 00:09:48,659 let's be really clear. It says aggression is also seen in adjusted children. 189 00:09:48,669 --> 00:09:51,020 So that cannot be the deciding factor of whether or 190 00:09:51,030 --> 00:09:54,520 not you determine the child is more adjusted or maladjusted. 191 00:09:55,289 --> 00:09:55,919 But 192 00:09:56,039 --> 00:09:57,909 aggression in adjusted children 193 00:09:59,650 --> 00:10:02,690 is clearly expressed without massive destruction. 194 00:10:03,150 --> 00:10:05,510 So they can be aggressive without destroying things 195 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,229 and they take responsibility for the expression. 196 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,460 Adjusted children are not so serious and 197 00:10:12,469 --> 00:10:15,250 intense in their feelings about themselves, 198 00:10:15,260 --> 00:10:17,320 the therapist or their play 199 00:10:17,570 --> 00:10:19,179 as are maladjusted children. 200 00:10:20,409 --> 00:10:22,000 So, let's talk about that for a second. 201 00:10:22,119 --> 00:10:24,419 Think about kids that pop into your head 202 00:10:24,710 --> 00:10:28,469 that are really serious, really intense. 203 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,460 Everything is a big deal. Everything has 204 00:10:32,929 --> 00:10:34,109 an aura to it. 205 00:10:34,270 --> 00:10:37,150 That's just big and heavy and 206 00:10:37,369 --> 00:10:37,909 just, 207 00:10:38,179 --> 00:10:39,500 there's a lot of weight to it. 208 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:42,679 Those are the less adjusted children 209 00:10:43,859 --> 00:10:45,590 but adjusted children 210 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:46,570 are 211 00:10:46,799 --> 00:10:48,840 less intense, less serious 212 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:49,679 and 213 00:10:49,909 --> 00:10:50,609 their play, 214 00:10:50,619 --> 00:10:52,049 their interaction with the therapist and 215 00:10:52,059 --> 00:10:54,599 their feelings about themselves are just lighter 216 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,640 and we have those kinds of kids as well. So you can clearly see the difference. 217 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,090 OK. And then to sum this up, 218 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:03,859 Moustakas 219 00:11:04,229 --> 00:11:08,739 concluded from his experiences with adjusted and maladjusted children 220 00:11:10,580 --> 00:11:11,880 that all children 221 00:11:12,169 --> 00:11:15,080 irrespective of the quality of their adjustment 222 00:11:15,609 --> 00:11:18,960 express similar types of negative attitudes. 223 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,010 OK? So this is very interesting 224 00:11:23,119 --> 00:11:24,299 because to this point, 225 00:11:24,309 --> 00:11:28,380 we've been seeing the differences and how it manifests itself in sessions. 226 00:11:28,539 --> 00:11:34,289 So now we have a little bit of a framework if you will or an assessment guide 227 00:11:34,859 --> 00:11:39,960 to recognize, ok, that is more maladjusted behavior than adjusted behavior, 228 00:11:39,969 --> 00:11:40,340 right? 229 00:11:40,349 --> 00:11:42,820 So that will give us some perspective and awareness 230 00:11:42,969 --> 00:11:45,369 of what's happening with kids in our sessions. 231 00:11:45,510 --> 00:11:46,239 But now Moustakas 232 00:11:46,619 --> 00:11:48,039 is saying all children 233 00:11:48,380 --> 00:11:50,859 irrespective of the quality of their adjustment, 234 00:11:51,359 --> 00:11:53,940 express similar types of negative attitudes. 235 00:11:54,229 --> 00:11:58,760 Continuing the difference between well adjusted and maladjusted children 236 00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:00,940 lies not primarily 237 00:12:01,099 --> 00:12:03,419 in the type of negative attitudes 238 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:04,520 they demonstrate, 239 00:12:05,049 --> 00:12:09,710 but rather in the quantity and intensity of such attitudes. 240 00:12:10,669 --> 00:12:11,409 Uh huh. 241 00:12:11,650 --> 00:12:13,690 So it's a level issue, 242 00:12:14,030 --> 00:12:15,590 not a presence issue. 243 00:12:15,770 --> 00:12:16,390 In other words, 244 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,929 we're going to see negative attitudes across 245 00:12:18,940 --> 00:12:21,169 every child that comes into our playrooms. 246 00:12:21,950 --> 00:12:26,830 So it's not in the fact that it exists, it's in the quantity. So how many of them 247 00:12:26,969 --> 00:12:30,530 and the intensity, the degree of these attitudes 248 00:12:31,380 --> 00:12:36,479 continuing adjusted children express negative attitudes less often 249 00:12:37,710 --> 00:12:39,929 and with more focus and direction, 250 00:12:40,909 --> 00:12:42,820 maladjusted children express, 251 00:12:42,830 --> 00:12:47,090 express negative attitudes frequently and intensely 252 00:12:47,099 --> 00:12:48,849 with less focus and direction. 253 00:12:50,190 --> 00:12:52,460 I find this so fascinating. This is, 254 00:12:52,890 --> 00:12:56,030 this is the greatness of going back to 255 00:12:56,380 --> 00:12:59,869 early works where it all began. 256 00:13:00,020 --> 00:13:01,900 You know, these books are at this point. 257 00:13:01,909 --> 00:13:04,229 Gosh, I mean, many of them are from the eighties and nineties. 258 00:13:04,239 --> 00:13:07,890 So I mean, we're literally looking at 30 to 40 years old here, 259 00:13:08,260 --> 00:13:09,650 but look at the 260 00:13:09,750 --> 00:13:14,450 nuggets and gems that we're pulling out of here. This is 261 00:13:14,669 --> 00:13:15,869 the importance 262 00:13:15,989 --> 00:13:18,330 of really, truly understanding 263 00:13:18,650 --> 00:13:20,770 at its early origin, 264 00:13:20,890 --> 00:13:23,549 the basic components of child centered play therapy 265 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,460 and all of the nuances and facets there in 266 00:13:26,989 --> 00:13:29,210 because yes, skills matter. 267 00:13:29,460 --> 00:13:30,010 But 268 00:13:30,190 --> 00:13:33,599 so does our awareness and recognition of 269 00:13:33,630 --> 00:13:36,169 adjustment in children and maladjustment in children. 270 00:13:36,179 --> 00:13:38,770 And we get that straight out of Art of the Relationship. So 271 00:13:39,380 --> 00:13:43,609 all right, y'all, we are soon to be wrapping up our summer school series. 272 00:13:43,619 --> 00:13:46,799 So there are going to be a few more 273 00:13:46,929 --> 00:13:51,429 but in the next few weeks, we will be wrapping up that. Thank you for the feedback. 274 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,669 Thank you for letting me know that it's been really helpful 275 00:13:53,989 --> 00:13:58,695 and I'm so encourage that so many of you are purchasing these books and, 276 00:13:58,705 --> 00:14:01,744 and adding them to your library and finding value in these. 277 00:14:02,025 --> 00:14:02,765 We, 278 00:14:02,775 --> 00:14:08,445 we have to go back to the basics so that we don't lose what we're supposed to be doing. 279 00:14:08,465 --> 00:14:11,174 So I'm, I'm really glad that this has resonated with all of you. 280 00:14:11,664 --> 00:14:15,534 I'm super grateful for you. Love you all so much. Couple of housekeeping things, 281 00:14:16,025 --> 00:14:19,445 make plans to be in Atlanta, in October, if you haven't already. 282 00:14:19,594 --> 00:14:21,215 So Friday night 283 00:14:21,859 --> 00:14:24,190 in Atlanta, we're going to have a huge meet up. 284 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:25,770 I would love, love, love to have you there. 285 00:14:25,780 --> 00:14:28,559 I have people coming from all over the country, even Alaska. 286 00:14:28,969 --> 00:14:31,469 So that's pretty, pretty far away. 287 00:14:31,479 --> 00:14:35,669 So if you're not as far as Alaska, you have no excuse. So please make plans to do that. 288 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:36,979 We would love to have you there. 289 00:14:37,130 --> 00:14:41,520 I have tons more training planned and that I'm currently working on with CoreWell. 290 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,500 So stay tuned for more CEU opportunities. 291 00:14:44,799 --> 00:14:47,619 And as always, I love your feedback. 292 00:14:47,630 --> 00:14:52,159 So if you would like more of something less of something, if you have some ideas, 293 00:14:52,229 --> 00:14:55,760 if you wanna throw something out, I would love to hear your thoughts. 294 00:14:55,770 --> 00:14:59,049 So please reach out and that's the way that I make sure that 295 00:14:59,359 --> 00:15:02,780 I'm staying in tune with what you all need and want you know how much I love you. 296 00:15:02,789 --> 00:15:04,140 We'll talk again soon. Bye. 297 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,909 Thank you for listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr 298 00:15:08,010 --> 00:15:11,140 Brenna Hicks. For more episodes and resources. 299 00:15:11,150 --> 00:15:16,020 Please go to www.playtherapypodcast.com.