Hour 2 – Lane Kiffin Adding Fuel to the Fire, Ross Tucker

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Speaker 2: Detroit is now eaton five, Dallas is six and six and one poll question for hour two is going to be what see no Connor?

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Speaker 5: Well, we got up there for hour one.

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Speaker 6: Would you rather your team have a great kicker or a great wide receiver? Wide receiver is really running away with that one.

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 5: They have about seventy two percent of that vote.

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Speaker 4: Current.

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Speaker 5: All right, we have a snarky one.

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Speaker 6: Here also from Paul who had the worst week Penn State football or other.

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Speaker 7: I wasn't trying to be mean. I was trying to populate the pole question. And I couldn't think of anyone who's close, player, team concept, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Etcetera who had a bad week aside from Penn State. Is there anybody else that you'd factor in?

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Speaker 8: Yes, Marvin Wayne Kiffin, not money wise, but just perception wise.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he had a bad week.

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Speaker 9: I do.

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Speaker 5: I think Lane Kiffin had a bad week.

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Speaker 4: Okay, even though.

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Speaker 6: I mean he's got an awesome job and a gajillion dollars, he had a bad week.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think what's heard him is now there's a lot of things. But it was messy. This wasn't an amicable parting. This was a messy divorce. There and then all of a sudden, we're hearing from Lane and he giving his side of the story and he wanted to coach, and everybody wants me to coach. But then we find out not everybody in his locker room wanted him to coach. Then all of a sudden, there's a story that somebody tried to run him off the road as he was getting ready to go to the airport to go to LSU. The state troopers in Mississippi, they refuted that. So it just feels like he's added to this instead of just taking the job. You're going to take some hits and then you're gonna move on because somebody else is going to do this, probably next year of the year after. But it just felt like he kept adding fuel to the fire instead of trying to put it out and didn't do a good job at all. You know, his PR team is not as good as his Old Miss football team. They took the loss this past week.

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Speaker 7: Yet, Paul, Yeah, it does feel like agree with you guys. He took an up and down career and it really settled at Old Miss. Like you said that documentary, he seemed to have everything going well, family life and at the point where he's a guy you root for, you root it for Old Miss. You rooted for him and he was a great guest on shows. He'd kind of hit his stride and then upheaval. Now people will root it a little bit nationally, not locally against LSU, kind of like what happened to Brian Kelly when he went to LGU.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what, Brian Kelly didn't bother me as much because I think Notre Dame wanted to move on from Brian Kelly, and all indications were Marcus Freeman was that guy, and it felt like it was a addition by subtraction. Hey, we got rid of this guy. He's a great coach, but he doesn't fit with what we're trying to do at Notre Dame. And Marcus Freeman has come in and nobody has said anything about what Brian Kelly did to Notre Dame.

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Speaker 4: They're like, oh, that's right, he did leave them, you know.

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Speaker 2: In these coaches are like yeah, I'm gonna and Brian Kelly did that before elsewhere in his career where you're like, I got a Bowl game coming up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well I'm not coaching see you later, Yes he can.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but Brian Kelly left Notre Dame. But he was there for a long time. Yeah, that like window had closed.

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Speaker 6: I think it seemed pretty clear that his time there was was pretty much wrapped up.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 2: But that's the kind of place where you go and you stay and you retire it feels like it's Notre Dame.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Paul, I totally agree. I'm going back to twenty twenty one. Brian Kelly was eleven and one when he left Notre Dame. They weren't like, not even a four lost season. They had a one lost season. His last name's Kelly. For God's sake, He's got the Notre Dame job. You have more control over your franchise, whatever you want to call it, than any coach in America. You don't have to answer at any conference presidents.

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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 7: All you got to do is recruit and win and they'll get you in the playoffs as you could see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he had gotten to the point and I think Notre Dame is built now to be a big ten sec kind of team, physical, run the football. But they've done that kind of in the image of Marcus Freeman, not Brian Kelly. Brian Kelly was an offensive minded head coach. Marcus Freeman played defense, played defense in college and was their defensive coordinator. But yeah, I think there's certain And what Kiffin had been ole Miss six years and how long was Brian.

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Speaker 4: At Notre Dame? Was Brian at Notre Dame ten.

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Speaker 3: Years, yeah, eleven years.

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Speaker 2: Eleven years okay, Yeah, I think Notre Dame was like, uh, you want to go okay, because I don't know if there was this you know, pushback of what's it going to take to keep you When you say I can't win a national title there, but I can win a national title at LSU, That's when I say.

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Speaker 4: You need help pack in your backs, Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 8: Another nominee for Worst Week, Jackson Dart did not have a good win. Okay, took some big kids and then didn't shy away from like, you know, I'm going to take the big kids because I played football.

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Speaker 2: Well, we've had some people on the show this week who have sided with him, like yeah, I love that, you know. Steve Young was saying, man, you love to fire up your team. And I'll ask Ross Tucker this, I want my quarterback smart. You have to be tough to play the position, but I want you to be smart when you played the position, because if you pick your spots, if that was I'm going to run one more yard and try to run over this defensive back and we're going to go to the super Bowl. I get it, but this wasn't for a first down. You got two wins in your concussion protocol the two previous week.

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Speaker 4: What do you think? Yeah, Paul, it.

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Speaker 7: Goes back to that Garoppolo run six or seven years ago against Kansas City.

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Speaker 3: It was week three. He was not trying to.

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Speaker 7: He lowered his shoulder into the defensive back. He tore his own knee up, not his shoulder, his head. He tore his own knee cross the season.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, all right.

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Speaker 4: Got our poll question here?

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Speaker 2: I saw where Russell Wilson Junior, the third is joining CBS this week. They have a bye week. The Giants have a bye week, and I guess he's gonna be in studio. That would make sense. Can't imagine him out doing a game. But Russ is gonna be in studio for CBS. Feels like this is what he is ready to transition to. Yes, Marvin so doors out of my mouth.

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Speaker 8: This feels like a Tiki Barber or Michael Strahan move because the fortunately Michael Strahan has the career Teky Barbara thought he was gonna have.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, go ahead, yeah, I just.

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Speaker 2: This is going to be difficult, I think for us to step out of the almost robotic you know, hey, here's my comments and you know, mister positivity, and now you've got to go in and have an opinion on you know, players and teams and is he willing to do that? That's the hardest part for all of these analysts, former players who become an analyst.

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Speaker 4: What are you going to say?

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Speaker 2: And it's not like you have to be really critical as much as you you have to be analytical, and there's a difference. You can do your job by pointing out something and not being mean spirited. And I remember when Troy Aikman was just starting and I talked to him in Saint Louis. We're at a Joe Buck golf tournament, and I said, are you ready? You know for this world? You know that you're going to be critiquing. He said, well, I'm not going to be mean spirited. As much as my job is to analyze something, it's not to be critical of somebody, it's to be analytical of somebody. And it was a great answer. It's I'm not going to go out of my way, but we as viewers, we want you to be honest when you say something. You know it's not boy'd like to have that one back. After somebody throws a pick six, it's boy, what that was a terrible throw? Or what are you thinking in a situation like that? Instead of boy, he would like to have that one back. I haven't met a quarterback who hasn't had a pass where it got picked off where he didn't want to have that back.

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Speaker 3: I happy with one. I stepped into it. It's nice, spiral tight.

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Speaker 4: Oh goodly in my hand.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what happened after that.

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Speaker 7: What if Russell Wilson gets in the studio this weekend and it's like a body switching movie and he just starts lighting people up and he's being spirited like all the last ten years of frustration comedy, Like that guy sucks.

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Speaker 3: He shouldn't be in the league.

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Speaker 2: Cut him well, the problem is that all the guys who didn't like him in Seattle don't play anymore, so he can't be ripping those guys.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, sometimes I think that we, like the public, go a little crazy.

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Speaker 5: Over like, well, this guy's got to have a opinions, so we better what.

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Speaker 6: I don't see JJ Watt throwing haymakers every Sunday where he's like this guy sucks, that guy's great, like he did.

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Speaker 5: He just kind of breaks down the game and then that's it.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 6: I don't see any reason why Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson is a good looking guy. He looks good on camera. He can articulate a thought really really well. You know, he could break down games. I don't know why he wouldn't do very well.

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Speaker 2: I got to see how he breaks down a game. I mean, we're still slicing and dicing Tom Brady because he seemed a little robotic when he first started there, and kind of relaxing a little bit and talking to the boys, you know, talking to your friends being analytical but not being critical. And I think there's a fine line in doing that and it's hard to do. Uh yes, hut to scene this point.

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Speaker 9: Matt Ryan isn't one to say whoa shots fired?

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Speaker 3: You at Matt's it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, here what he just said? He just tore them a new one does.

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Speaker 2: But I would always push Rodney Harrison and Tony Dungee too. What do you say, like, don't say something that's obvious, Tell me something that we don't know, we didn't see, And it doesn't mean like if somebody quits on a route, then you say they quit on a rount. Like I would have been critical of, you know, last night with the George Pickens, the Pat Pickens. Yeah, I would have been critical of some of the past routes that he was running and they were I mean, you're you have to point those things out just to be fair to the situation and to the audience.

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Speaker 7: You have paulin one thing that disappoints me. You go back to twenty seventeen. Remember Fox Sports hired Jay Cutler, the former quarterback, to be an analyst. He's gonna be like their third team booth with Kevin Burkhardt. And right before the season starts, there's an injury and he goes to play for the Mammi Dolphins. He never became a broadcaster. I really wanted to see a guy like him because I had no idea what we're gonna get with Jake Culer.

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Speaker 3: I still don't.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, they had that reality show, Yes Wife, and he was interesting because he just didn't care. You know, you're thinking, what did you see in him in the first place? But he'd be like, all right, well, I'm gonna go hunting. I don't know whatever. I don't think you can have that approach to doing you know, NFL studio shows or game I don't know.

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Speaker 4: What do you think? I don't know whatever.

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Speaker 9: I would have ran it there.

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Speaker 4: Why are they always wanting what would you?

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Speaker 5: What would you do?

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Speaker 4: Third one?

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Speaker 9: What do you think? Jake?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. They're gonna run to play. We'll figure it out afterwards.

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Speaker 4: May run, they may pay. I don't know. Whatever. D be great.

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Speaker 3: I wish I'm could have thought.

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Speaker 2: I hope Russ has a fun weekend. I hope that he h does it and enjoys it and is able to kind of give people an appreciation for what he sees as a quarterback.

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Speaker 4: I hope.

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Speaker 10: So.

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Speaker 2: I just don't know if you can jump out of your uniform into a suit and then you sit there and it's a sterile environment. As I tell the analyst that I work with, you have to manufacture your.

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Speaker 4: Excitement when you're in the studio.

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Speaker 2: When you're out of the game, you don't have to worry about it, you're into it, you're ready to hit somebody. But when you're in that studio and it's very antiseptic, and I think that'll be that's the challenge. Sometimes you try to get guys fired up a little bit and it just doesn't come naturally.

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Speaker 8: Yes, Marvin, is it going to be tough for him, for him to maybe criticize somebody because he's a current player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine. I mean, I don't know what you're going to get out of him. It does give CBS a little bit of news, and they can, you know, make a bigger deal out of this and put him in studio, But I don't I don't know what kind of position they're going to put Russ in because I don't know how many times do you hear like Bill Cower was very critical of Laane Kiffin now he and said that on the CBS show. They set it on our show as well. I don't know how many of those moments that you get and this is a college coach that he was very critical of, not an NFL coach. Yeah, I mean, you pick your moments here, and it's different. CBS is not a hot take place.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: When Rex Ryan goes on the Mothership, his job is to get you to talk about what he talked about, so it goes viral, get clicks. That's Ryan Clark. He wants you to you know, hey, did you hear what he said? That's that's what their job is. Kendrick Perkins, that's his job. I want you to I want you to be talking about what I'm talking about. I don't know if CBS goes into it and saying, hey JB or Bill Kawer, come on, you got to say something here, or Matt Ryan. I mean, you hope they do, but you know, you you're hiring them because of their personality. I don't think you can change somebody's personality. But I hope Russ gets an opportunity to shine a little bit, because it certainly feels like that's that's his next the spot.

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Speaker 11: Yes, does Russ get a private office on a separate floor from the rest of the CBA S guys that have been there for curious disappointed Bronco.

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Speaker 4: Would you say that to his face?

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Speaker 11: If he probably wouldn't, I would. I would say it in jes So tongue in cheeks. I wouldn't be upset.

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Speaker 4: He would be called in. If he called in right now and you answered the phone, you feel the pressure now.

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Speaker 11: I would have to say, you get in your own office this week at CBS like you did with the Broncos, away from the rest of the team.

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Speaker 4: You would do that.

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Speaker 11: I think I would have to because I gotta put my money where my mouth is.

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Speaker 3: I gotta put my money where my mouth is.

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Speaker 5: That was exactly the same energy takes that Ross setting my money, just get my opinion, like I suppose, how.

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Speaker 2: Sneak in a couple of phone calls before we bring in Ross Tucker, Greg and Michigan Morning, Greg.

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Speaker 4: What's on your mind today?

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Speaker 13: Good morning Dan, Mister positive. I love that you said, mister positivity. I've been mister positive for forty five years. But I gotta tell you, did Hetroy Lyons what a complete game yesterday? A little bit of flaws here and there, Hut showed up. I had seven pressures. I guess in the fourth quarter. It was a good, complete game. We needed that because here in Detroit, Dan, I gotta tell you it's I've been flow with these Detroit Lions. You know, you go twelve and five, fifteen and two, and then all of a sudden you might not make the playoffs, and you just go, oh god, here we go again. Terrible And you know, just what did you think? Did you think the Lions? You think we got more, we got more injuries.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I thought this guy was mister positivity.

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Speaker 4: It's totally Bailey like, Greg, you were mister positivity.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you for the phone call. There, man, all of a sudden, it's like we're doomed. What was me Charlie Brown got on the phone. Yeah, Paul, But you guys have been there. If you support a team that's had a tough history, you love hearing people talk positive outside, outsiders talk about them. It just makes you feel more confident. I've been there. Yeah, I mean you should be positive about the lines. They've done a remarkable turnaround here. Now you're waiting for the negativity. You're waiting for the oh we're bounced again here. How about we just let this play out. It's a really good team and be positive. Come on, Greg, you're better than that. Speaking of positivity, Ah, that's Ross Tucker. He hosts the Ross Tucker Football Podcast, following him on social media at Ross Tucker NFL. He was in the booth last night Westwood One with the Cowboys and the Lions, and then next Sunday, Week fifteen, he's got the Jets and the Jags. Ross, Good to see you again, feels like the state of Pennsylvania is the epicenter of football right now because you got Steelers, you got the Eagles, and then you got penn State.

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Speaker 4: So where do you want to start.

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Speaker 10: Well, I'm right in the middle of all of it, Dan, I live in central Pennsylvania, which is interesting because growing up closer to Philly in Reading, it's one hundred percent Eagles fans. You go an hour west and now it's probably fifty to fifty between Eagles and Steelers. You know what, I would say, I'll make a comparison, actually, Dan, between Mike Tomlin and James Franklin, because I'm hearing the same thing from Steelers fans that I was hearing from some of the penn State fans. Now it's different, but there's a lot of crossover between those two fan bases. And you know, Dan, they just feel ready to move on. And they recognized that Franklin was a good coach. They recognized that Mike Tomlin is a good coach. I think in both instances, they felt like it was time to move on. Now we'll see how that works out for penn State. Obviously, the coaching search has not gone as they wanted it to, but there were a lot of people that wanted James Franklin fired. They were sick of losing Ohio State, they were sick of not winning quote unquote the big one, and they were ready to move on. The same thing with Mike Tomlin. You know, Steelers fans have a really high standard, dan really high standard, and they should. You the seventies and even when Roethlisberger was there, they won a couple of super Bowls. They haven't won a playoff game since twenty sixteen, and I think what frustrates them is it feels like there's a commitment to just above mediocrity, there's a commitment to being good enough, and they're sick of that. I mean, you talk to Steelers fans kind of wild they'd rather the team go three and fourteen and get a high draft pick and finally try to fix the quarterback position. I don't think they realize how hard that is to do, but that's the mindset right now. A lot of Steelers fans feel the same way a lot of Penn State fans did, in which they're ready to move on. What's unique about that is, just like Franklin, if the Steelers part ways with Tomlin, He'll have three or four offers this offseason, three or four NFL offers of teams that would be thrilled to get Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Commitment to mediocrity or just above mediocrey not the same as commitment to excellence. That you know the Raiders coined back with Al Davis there, All right, you were on the call with the game last night.

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Speaker 4: What were you expecting?

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Speaker 10: I was expecting a lot of points, which we got. I really thought the Cowboys were gonna win. I mean I talked about this on the Even Money betting podcast, and honestly, everyone I spoke to Dan, I mean, even Lions fans, even people that cover the Lions, everyone was surprised that the Lions were favored, and not just favored, they were favored by three. And then yesterday during the game, you know, before the game, it went up to three and a half, which, as you know, is a huge difference. That made no sense to me from a betting perspective. I thought taking the Cowboys three and a half made all the sense in the world because thes weaknesses right now, or at least perceived weaknesses going into it, matched up with the Cowboys strengths. The interior of the offensive line for the Lions has not been good and they're banged up. The Cowboys might have the best de tackle rotation in the league right now. The secondary. They put Terry and Arnold their best corner on ir They have no Kirby Joseph. You're going up against George Pickens and Seedee Lamb. I think most people thought the way these two teams were trending, that it'd be a high scoring game, but that the Cowboys would probably win out right thirty four to thirty one. If they lost, it would be by a field goaler. So I will also say this, I did not think Iman Ross Saint Brown was gonna play. He didn't practice at all all week. If they didn't play him last night, he'd have ten days before the next game. They still had four more games to go. He made a really, really significant difference last night.

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Speaker 2: I know everybody's all in on George Pickens. I need to see a little bit more. I know he can be unbelievable. I know you know we were ready to christen him the best receiver the Cowboys had a couple of weeks ago or last week, but there it felt like there were a couple of moments where George Pickens didn't do what he was supposed to do. He still makes spectacular plays, but I just can't be all in on him. And they're going to sign him up to a thirty million dollar contract, I'm guessing, what do you think?

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Speaker 10: Well that that is the I guess thirty million dollar question, because you know, whatever you want to say about him, he's incredibly talented.

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Speaker 9: He's a top five guy in terms of talent.

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Speaker 10: He already had going into last night the most yards by any Cowboys receiver ever in the first twelve games of the season, which is just incredible when you think about the receivers that they've had. But you know, pick your word, Dan a radic behavior enigmatic. He is a very unique person. And when you see the season he's having and the plays he's making for the Steelers who drafted him to move on from him with as long as they held on to Antonio Brown, as long as they held on to other guys Plexicico Burris and san Antonio Holmes, that says a lot. I would be scared to death to give him a long term deal. I'd rather franchise tag him for a year. See how it goes. He feels like Dan a guy that you want to date and not marry, and if you do choose to marry him and the Cowboys might boy, you better that contract. You better have a heck of a prenup if you're gonna marry George Pickens to a long term deal.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Ross Tucker, CBS Sports Westwood One, NFL college football analyst and of course, host of the Ross Tucker Football Podcast.

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Speaker 4: The most must win game of the weekend is which one.

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Speaker 9: I think I'm gonna say? Other than last night, I think I'm gonna.

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Speaker 10: Say the chief I think Chiefs Texans feels to me like that's as close as we get to last night in the sense of an elimination game. You know, I have no idea how these people come up with these numbers where you know, if the Cowboys win, they have a forty two percent chance to make the playoffs. If they lose, they have a nine. I mean, they could make up any number and I would just believe them.

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Speaker 4: But those guys, wait, Man, you went to Princeton. You're supposed to know these things.

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Speaker 10: Dan, I intentionally avoided any math classes like that, like they were the plugue.

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Speaker 9: Listen.

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Speaker 10: There's certain classes at a school like Princeton you take, there's certain classes you don't. It's like all the guys freshman year that they walk in they're like, yeah, I'm pre med.

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Speaker 9: You're like, yeah, no, you're not. You won't be yeah wait wait till organic chemistry.

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Speaker 10: Just so you know when you walk into that class, almost everybody in there is smarter than you.

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Speaker 9: And if they're not, it's the hockey guys.

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Speaker 10: But no, I mean they come up with these percentages and last night was a massive swing, right like thirty percent either way for the Lions and the Cowboys.

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Speaker 9: That's the Texans and the Chiefs. And what's interesting.

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Speaker 10: About that one is it reminds me of last night in the sense that the Chiefs are down both starting offensive tackles.

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Speaker 9: Let me tell you who you don't want to play when that's the case.

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Speaker 10: The Houston Texans Danil Hunter, Will Anderson the best edge duo in the NFL.

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Speaker 9: Those are two bad dudes. Mahomes better get rid of the ball quickly.

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Speaker 2: I brought this up a couple of times to a couple of different guests. Would you rather have a smart player as a quarterback or a tough player as a quarterback.

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Speaker 10: Smart, yeah, I would say smart. I think it's still you know, isn't interesting that in football with all these big, tough, strong, fast guys, it really is intelligence. And we're talking football intelligence has nothing to do with your SAT or whatever, but football intelligence still is a massive, massive differentiator. You watch what Stafford does a lot of these games. It's like he's in the matrix. You know, he's seeing it. The other night, Joe Burrow, you know, I had a coach saying, we were talking about this on the Ross Tucker podcast, Joe Burrow is like a human computer chip. I mean that's how quickly he probably and I have no idea what kind of grades he got or whatever, but he's the son of a coach and smart.

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Speaker 9: Look.

00:27:37
Speaker 10: Of course you want them to be tough, right, but tough can get you in trouble. You know who's tough? Jackson darts tough. Okay, Jackson darts tough. I'm not sure where he is on the smart scale.

00:27:48
Speaker 9: Okay.

00:27:49
Speaker 10: I don't know how much of that's just youthful bravado or stupidity.

00:27:53
Speaker 9: I'm not sure where he's at on that scale. I like tough. I love smart. If I'm trying to win big yeah.

00:28:00
Speaker 2: And I know Jackson dark you know, his dad was a defensive back and this is how he plays.

00:28:05
Speaker 4: And it's not soccer.

00:28:06
Speaker 2: If that one yard means we win the super Bowl, then go get him. But that one yard you're coming out of concussion protocol. You have two wins on the season, get out of bounds.

00:28:18
Speaker 10: Well and Dan, I can remember this. I think it was the fourth team I played for, was the Patriots. And when you're in the training room, Okay, I don't know if they still have it, but when you're in the training room, they have a big sign above the entrance and exit door that says the best ability is availability.

00:28:40
Speaker 9: They are very very clear.

00:28:42
Speaker 10: You're sitting there in the training room, Dan getting treatment looking at that sign. I mean it's and then maybe they took it down because Belichick's not there anymore, but there was nothing.

00:28:52
Speaker 9: Subtle about it.

00:28:53
Speaker 10: It was you, you know what needs to be out there every day and you just can't win.

00:29:00
Speaker 13: You know.

00:29:00
Speaker 10: I love Jackson Dart's mentality, I suppose, especially as a former lineman, but they need you out there. You just missed two games and then in the first ten snaps against the Patriots, you get master blasted twice.

00:29:15
Speaker 9: I mean, we can't have that.

00:29:18
Speaker 4: Is that the official term master blasted?

00:29:21
Speaker 10: I don't know where that came from, but now that I said it, it sounds way too close to another term.

00:29:27
Speaker 9: I'll probably never ever be saying that again.

00:29:31
Speaker 2: Fritchy is a master blasturbader. Okay, So I think that is that Mad Max?

00:29:37
Speaker 4: Is that what that movie? I think that's what it's from, is it?

00:29:40
Speaker 9: I don't know, man, you know what when you you know?

00:29:44
Speaker 4: Is that from Mad Max?

00:29:45
Speaker 13: Yeah?

00:29:45
Speaker 3: That's from Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.

00:29:47
Speaker 10: Oh okay, what's the master Blaster?

00:29:51
Speaker 7: He's the guy who goes into the cage and takes everybody out when they're they're jousting.

00:29:57
Speaker 10: So now that that's fascinating to me because I've seen that movie thirty five years ago. So somewhere in my brain talking about Jackson Dark getting smoked, that came out. The human brain is a wild thing.

00:30:12
Speaker 9: Dan.

00:30:13
Speaker 4: Okay, but do Lineman think less?

00:30:15
Speaker 2: Did you think less of Tom Brady when he would just fall down and not take a hit, or Peyton Manning or you know some of these all time grades that didn't take on contact.

00:30:27
Speaker 9: Not even a little bit. We wanted them to do that Tom Brady.

00:30:33
Speaker 10: All of our lives, our jobs, our success, our playoff money, it's all in their hands. It's all in Tom Brady's hands. We can't have him getting hurt. I remember a Patriot assistant coach telling me when I first got there. Now he's he's been a prominent coach since then, NFL head coach and the whole deal. And I said, well, what happened to something happens to Tom and he said, oh, well, then we just fold up shop and it's over. And I think he was joking, but because he was showing me when I first got there, all of the things dan that Brady did before the snap, which were crazy. I had not experienced that with my first three teams. No one redeclared the mic, changed the protection, changed the run scheme right before the snap, and then snapped the ball like Brady did. They were operating at a much higher level. And you need that guy, you know. Think about where the Chiefs would be without Mahomes or the Bills without Josh Allen. You can't win with these guys getting hurt.

00:31:42
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson as a guest analyst on CBS.

00:31:46
Speaker 4: What do you think, you know, I.

00:31:50
Speaker 10: Think I'm probably as curious as anybody else, you know, I think we're It's always interesting when someone that's been playing this long and we know them in sort of a player speak player talk in that role to see how they transition. Because Russell hasn't been known as a guy that gives a colorful quote or gives a lot of in depth information. He's sort of the prototype and always has been for how you want your franchise quarterback to handle those press conferences. You want them to smile, you want to be courteous, and you want them to give as little information as possible. So I think it puts him in a unique spot on Sunday. Can he just flip the switch?

00:32:37
Speaker 9: You know?

00:32:37
Speaker 10: Can he Can he flip the switch and actually say something interesting? Or is he still sort of in I'm an active player, you know, computer mode where I'm just gonna say, you know, the generic thing because I don't want to say anything that gets me in trouble.

00:32:53
Speaker 9: I'm fascinated by it. I think it's great.

00:32:55
Speaker 10: I mean, I you know, I might tune in and watch it to see, you know, what he's like of course, because it's on CBS and I love CBS, Dan, I love anything that CBS does.

00:33:04
Speaker 4: I'm fully on board with. Of course you do.

00:33:07
Speaker 2: You'll be on the call next Sunday, week fifteen between the Jets and the Jags on CBS.

00:33:13
Speaker 4: Thank you, Ross, great to talk to you.

00:33:15
Speaker 9: Always, Dan, thank you so much for having me.

00:33:17
Speaker 4: It's Ross Stucker. He's one of my favorite guests.

00:33:22
Speaker 2: He is he just he has great stories and uh not afraid. Ross Tucker Football Podcast. By the way, Russell Wilson Junior the third will be on CBS and their pregame show. Jamis Winston is going to be working for Fox's pregame show.

00:33:41
Speaker 4: How about that.

00:33:43
Speaker 2: I'd say that's a win for Fox right there, getting Jameis Winston, get him.

00:33:48
Speaker 4: And dialed up a little bit.

00:33:51
Speaker 2: See you're giving me scrunchy face here Jameis Winston on the pregame show with Fox.

00:33:57
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:33:57
Speaker 6: You know, I think I must be in a smaller group because I just I don't find Jameis Winston amusing.

00:34:08
Speaker 5: Okay, I really don't. I don't.

00:34:09
Speaker 6: I know that he gets a lot of attention on social media, people like look at what he just did.

00:34:13
Speaker 5: I really don't find him amusing. I don't at all.

00:34:18
Speaker 2: Well, I don't like when he eats the w but I think he's a wild card and he might have he might bring a different energy in there.

00:34:27
Speaker 4: Yes, Balie, look.

00:34:28
Speaker 7: At the Giants quarterbacks this week. Two are on TV and the other one's being critiqued for getting hurt again. We're thinking about a new segment, Dan, who's thrown out from the back room? Guys dark or Smart? Oh wow again, Well judge match a little.

00:34:43
Speaker 3: Harsh, a little too soon, darter or Smart?

00:34:46
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's take a break. We're gonna slide into the weekend. We'll look at all the big matchups in college and pro football. We'll do that next Dan Patrick show.

00:34:55
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00:35:09
Speaker 2: I believe they're twelve and a half point underdogs against Texas Tech. Texas Tech won the first matchup twenty nine to seven Alabama and Georgia. Alabama I believe is getting two and a half in that game. Calin de Boor already has two wins over Georgia and a short amount of time there at Alabama. He also had this to say about the rumors that he might want the Penn State job.

00:35:35
Speaker 14: We are extremely happy at Alabama. Love the challenge, love the grind, love this place. And there's never been any link. There's never been any conversation, there's never been any interest either.

00:35:46
Speaker 3: Way, and so I'm glad we can put that to bed right now.

00:35:50
Speaker 4: Okay, that's definitive.

00:35:53
Speaker 2: Two and a half months ago, they were looking at the buyout of Caitlin Debor there at Alabama. Ohio State against in Ohio State against Indiana. What's the line on that game?

00:36:06
Speaker 3: I got Ohio State given four as of this morning.

00:36:09
Speaker 2: Okay, wow, you got Fernando Mendoza heading into the final weekend, is tied with Diego Pavilla for the best Heisman odds, with Ohio State quarterback Julian saying he's third on that list. Just saying, Colts and the Jags, both teams are eight and four fighting for the divisional crown in the AFC South. Who's excited about that? Colts Jags? Come on, Marvin, no, buddy, It's weirdly important though. Yeah, the Colts are one and a half point favorites at the Jaguars. The Bears and the Packers, the NFC's number one seed. The Bears take on the Backers, who are eight three and one. Bears coming off an impressive win against the Eagles. Can they continue to peak at the right time? Got the Bears getting six and a half at the Packers. Slide into the weekend slider Sunday. Nothing like kings Hawaiian. You'll find them in the bakery or Delhi section of your local grocery store. Make that watch party or tailgate special. Pick up a pack at kings Hawaiian this weekend. All right, So those are some of the marquee matchups. You've got conference championship games as well. Duke is getting four against Virginia, Ohio State getting four against the Ohio State UNLV against Boise State that'll be fun, Kennesaw State against Jacksonville State that one, and North Texas against Tulane. North Texas is giving two and a half against Tulane. And some of these schools their coaches have already taken other jobs while the team is going to be playing in the championship game for their conference and some of these coaches are able to stay. I mean, you don't have that bad blood, the animosity between old Miss and LSU and then Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin I think is going to be on game day. I think he's going to be there for the SEC title game. And this feels like this is a little bit of a spin doctoring here. Let me spin this because it's gonna be friendly fire. He's gonna be there with coach Saban and it'll be a hey, everything's great, you did the right thing, congratulations and can't blame you.

00:38:22
Speaker 4: I'd have done the same thing.

00:38:23
Speaker 7: Yeah, Paul, It's the perfect atmosphere for Lane Kiffin to go to. You're not gonna be grilled for fifteen minutes by the guys on the set.

00:38:30
Speaker 3: They're gonna have some fun.

00:38:31
Speaker 7: They'll ask you a real question or two, but then the crowd will get whipped up. He'll pump up the crowd, go go LSU, and they'll move on.

00:38:38
Speaker 13: Oh.

00:38:39
Speaker 4: I don't know if the crowd's going to be pumped up if Lane Kiffin's there.

00:38:41
Speaker 7: Going hey, I guess I just mean that the crowd isn't gonna sit calmly for an in depth interview.

00:38:46
Speaker 3: In front of forty two thousand people.

00:38:48
Speaker 7: You know it's gonna be a casual interview.

00:38:51
Speaker 2: If I'm Alabama or Georgia fan, I don't want to hear from Lane Kiffin, and you know they might let him hear that as well, but yeah, it'll be yeah. I mean, I would love for Reese Davis to ask Lane what role did Coach Saban play in you taking the LSU job? Not to tell Reese how to do his job, but I guess I am that would.

00:39:14
Speaker 4: I would.

00:39:14
Speaker 2: I would ask the question because Lane talked about the importance of talking to coach Saban. Let's see Tara in Columbia, South Carolina.

00:39:24
Speaker 4: Hi, Tara, Hey Tara?

00:39:31
Speaker 2: MM got phone calls availability here? Marvin, there we go.

00:39:37
Speaker 4: Hey, Hey Tarah, Hey Dan.

00:39:40
Speaker 1: How's it going?

00:39:40
Speaker 9: Guys? Great?

00:39:42
Speaker 4: What's on your market? First time?

00:39:43
Speaker 15: But new fan. My fiance is the big fans. I've been forced listening to you guys so quite often, but you all are very entertaining. Thanks for having me, Thanks for having me on. I just wanted to comment. Stephen Wilson Jr. Came through Columbia, South Carolina a couple weeks ago, and my fiance Brice he saw him on your show and just loved him. You know, obviously, what's not the luve. He's so talented and we've been looking to these shows, and of course it's coming through Columbia South Atlanta. So he got tickets for his birthday, got us friends excited. We went to dinner, We're looking forward to it, and the server's like, there's no way there's a concert til yet. Yep, it's tonight. They're like, well, there's no one here, like, well, you know, he's kind of up and coming, he's new. And sure enough, an hour later, the server comes out and he's like, yeah, there's no concert across the street. And we're like, oh my god. So we look at the tickets and not only with a concert not that night, but we had missed it from two days ago.

00:40:48
Speaker 4: Who took the blame?

00:40:49
Speaker 15: Roy did?

00:40:50
Speaker 4: In general, he was that who took the blame.

00:40:55
Speaker 15: Oh him, Brian, So for sure he could. We were like, you're not in charge of tickets any more, but I mean he knew he messed up.

00:41:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bryce is an idiot, But if you get a chance to see Stephen Wilson Junior the third, go do it.

00:41:11
Speaker 4: What's Bryce thinking? Come on? You're better than that, dark or smart.

00:41:14
Speaker 5: I think we know we're going. It's not very broad dart